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Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line Sheet and today with me on the show is stylist Jamie Mizrahi. We're talking Nepo Babies on the red carpet. The business of celebrity styling, why famous couples dress the way they dress, 90s fashion, and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. Hope you Are winding down in line. Cheat.
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This week I'm tying up a bunch.
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Of year end ends. I'm monitoring the Sax Global situation. By the time you listen to this, who knows what will happen. I also named the villain of the year. There were some more obvious candidates, I'll admit it. But I think you will understand my reasoning and I hope everyone gets the joke on it. Like it's. It's a bit of a joke but also kind of true. So I hope you enjoy it. Otherwise I am going to actually take a break this weekend next. Which will be nice and I hope you get to as well. We will be airing on a consistent basis though. So I'll see you on Friday. Let's get going with Jamie. Jamie Mizrahi, welcome to Fashion People.
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Hello. Thank you for having me.
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Thanks for being here. I would ask you what you have for breakfast this morning but this is a Tuesday show, not a Friday. So I don't. You don't need to reveal it.
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C
I could, I just, I've just had. I don't do breakfast.
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Weirdly, I don't really breakfast. It depends on what time I ate the night before. If I ate at 5:30, I'm gonna probably have some breakfast. If I ate at nine. No. And also I love breakfast food but I usually just eat it for lunch.
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I'm an intermittent faster and then a late night snacker. Got it. So it's like a combination. I'm not eating till like one.
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I think that's fine. That's like.
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Well, yeah, I feel good about it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So next time you're on we'll, we'll talk about lunch.
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C
But today, is that what happens on Fridays? You ask about what people eat?
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Yes, I. I ask what you had for breakfast this morning as an icebreaker.
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Got it, got it, got it.
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It's interesting.
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It says why do. What do most. Do most people have breakfast?
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A lot of people come prepped because they know I'm gonna ask.
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Got it.
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So they talk. So. And I think they. A lot of people eat a lot of yogurt with granola swirling typical granola into yogurt. There are, there is the like egg crowd, which I am. I'm for eggs. So. See, it's the perfect protein. I'm really into it. And then there are the people who eat like scraps from their kids food. There are a lot of intermittent fasters as I am also one. I think it's just the way to live.
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C
But when do you start eating? What time?
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Just depends.
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C
But like if you, when you intermittent, you just make sure there's like 12 hours between.
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I need at least 12 hours. And also a lot of times I eat at 10 or 11 and then I don't eat till dinner because I get hungry around 10 or 11 and then I will. So that is like I do usually a breakfast food then or a salad or something if it's like 11:30 and then I will not eat because if I eat it, like if I go out for lunch, which I do a lot obviously in LA, if I eat a 12 or one, when am I gonna have dinner? I have dinner here at like 6.
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C
Yeah.
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Like there's not. So it's like it's too late to eat. So it's. That's. But. But also sometimes I do get up and I'm starving and I have breakfast. I used to have breakfast every single morning without feeling well.
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C
They used to say that was like healthy and you're supposed to. And then I feel like you just end up. Once you open the pipes of eating, I feel like it doesn't stop for me. So I'm like, It's like I'd rather not open it until midday.
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It's true.
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It's one of those things where every day I'd be like, oh, but I already ate so much. And now. And whereas if you, you, if you just eat when you're hungry, which is what you're supposed to do, it. Life is a lot easier. It's not always.
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C
Don't you find when you don't eat for a long time you're less. Well, obviously you're less hungry. I did a. I had a parasite like two Christmases ago where I had to do a four week milk cleanse and I only had raw milk for four weeks. It was so insane.
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Oh my God, Jamie.
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And when. No, no, it's like a thing like you can like, it's the only way to like naturally get rid of parasites. Cause the medicine didn't work. It was like psychotic. And after four weeks I was like, oh. I'm like not. I could live off of raw milk for the rest of my life.
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I don't think I've ever had raw milk. Maybe this is a thing in 2026. Sounds delicious.
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C
Look it up. The raw milk cleanse. It's like a really wild world.
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A
Wow. I did not think that's where we were going. Sorry, I thought, I thought we were going to talk about all the work you did last week. Because if, if nothing else, Jamie, you're a hard worker.
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C
You work your but all of you.
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All. All of you are like this. All the, like, super star top stylists. Like, I don't understand how you all do what you do with you. I know you have support, but, like, never enough. It's. It's a grueling, grueling job that can be fruitful, but it takes a lot of time and a lot of things that you do aren't fruitful. You know, I'm talking, like, money wise. But, um. But like, what did you. I saw you posted, like, 15 things. Did you just start working with Maya Hawke?
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I just started working with Maya Hawke, who is so lovely and wonderful, and I just think she's so rad. And I'm a big fan of Uma, of her mom's, like, 90s style. And I just think she's so talented and wonderful and she's great.
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A
I saw you put her in Prada, which feels obviously Uma in Prada in 1996 or whatever.
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In that.
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In that lavender Prada. That was the start of.
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C
Or the shawl with that. With that shawl that I've. I have on every mood board that I've ever totally.
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A
That was the start of celebrity dressing. So is Maya. Are you putting her. Does she have a relationship with Prada or.
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C
Maya has a product. She has a product contract, which makes sense. And they worked with us on the Stranger Things press tour. And I'm a big. I'm a big Prada fan. So with everyone and clients having contracts, it's really hard to be able to work with certain brands with certain clients. So it's actually really nice to be able to work with them with her.
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When you start working with someone, how do you. How do you develop the strategy? Do you, like, hang out with them and make a mood board and. Or. Or. Obviously, as you said, some of this is dictated by whether or not they have a money job. But what are you. Are you all, like, what's your vision? How do you. How do you.
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Yeah, I think it's. Sometimes I think at first it's a conversation, but without even talking to the person, I think in my mind I've, like, before I take a meeting with someone, I've, like, made a mood board on Pinterest. It's like when I go see a house, I will literally make a mood board of, like, how I would decorate the house to decide if, like, just. Just for fun. It's actually just doing work that I don't need to be doing. It's not even work. It's just, like, creatively fulfilling for me to do that. So before I take a meeting, I normally kind of, like, come up with a template in my mind of what I think their vibe should be and make a mood board and Pinterest. And then after we meet, I share it with them and I'm like, what do you like? What do you not like? Let me know. And then I think it just stems from. From there.
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A
And what. How. What do you kind of measure as a successful partnership?
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Communication, more than anything, I think. I think it's honesty and what you feel good in more than anything. I want everyone to really enjoy what they're wearing and feel comfortable and confident. And I'm never gonna push someone to wear something, even if I think it's the right call. I'm like, I will be honest about it and I'll say, I don't like that. I do like that. But if someone's like, this is what I wanna do, I'm never gonna push back because ultimately it's their decision. And I want. I feel like you can tell when someone's on a red carpet or when they're doing something, if they feel good in what they're wearing. And sometimes we won't agree and then we'll come up with something that we both agree on.
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What other looks have you been really proud of as of late? Cause you have such a, like, varied roster of people. I know you've been doing a lot with Mia Goth, but also like Pedro Pascal and Jeremy Allen White, and you just have, like a very varied. And there is something about all of them that if. If it's like a Jamie person, I kind of. I'm always like, oh, yeah, I get that. But it's usually someone who's like, pretty insidery Hollywood or someone who just, like, needs realness in their life. And. And I think you provide realness to these people. But. But what. What have you been working on that you're, like, very excited about? I also enjoyed your pap photo with Jeremy Allen White that ran on the Daily Mail or something. I forgot to screenshot it and send it to you. I was like, I got sent it. I was like, yes.
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I've been off Instagram for about, like four, four or five weeks, which is so nice.
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Great.
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C
And I've had it screenshotted and sent to me many a times.
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That's hilarious.
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What am I excited about? I've really enjoyed working with Mia Goth. I'm a big fan of hers. I think she's a really talented actress. I loved Frankenstein, aesthetically, visually, I think Kate Hawley is just a brilliant genius and I am like, I want to work for her. I just like, I think she's going to win an Oscar and I think what she did in that film is so fantastic.
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I agree.
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I really love taking on projects and working with people when they're promoting something. It's like. And coming up with a vision for it and seeing it from start to finish in press tour form kind of overall. I mean, with Pedro, when we started working together, it was like Fantastic four. And we were like, okay, let's go for this kind of 80s. We had a very specific vibe of what we were going for. And it was very. We communicated it and it was back and forth images and visuals and it's just really fun to. Whether it's a long standing relationship or even just a short stint of a project, I have a really good time being thrown into something and getting really creative with people. So I think for me it's more communication and being able to like bounce ideas back and forth.
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Yeah, that makes sense. With Pedro, I feel like you put him in Celine and Michael Ryder. Celine pretty quickly, right?
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Pretty. I'm a Michael. I'm a. I love Michael Ryder. I think he's just the best.
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So when you get excited about a collection, like if. If there's not already a relationship with. Between the designer and the brand, are you. Do you want to like get in early and grab that stuff? I feel like you were the earliest to dress is Seline.
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I met Michael. Well, Michael worked for Nicola Gasket back in the day. And then I met Michael when he was at Ralph Lauren and we kind of just hit it off and then we saw each other in Martha's Vineyard. And then when he got the job, I was just so excited for him and his aesthetic, I think and just vibe in the whole industry. He's very cool and kind of does his own thing and it's. His clothes are very wearable in my opinion. And I feel like when we just. I just thought him and Pedro would like each other in the same way. Him and Heiter. Pedro and Heiter get along, you know, I think it's really nice to wear clothes of designers that you have the same ethos and same kind of moral compass even. I think there's something cool about Heiter. I feel like supports and dresses people that he relates to and like champions. So for Michael, him and Pedro just to me have the same kind of energy and vibe and coolness and ease. And with that outfit, Pedro put it on and Was like, yeah, this is great. And it was like a very. And for the. Was it the Emmys that he wore that white custom?
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I have no idea.
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It was the. Whatever it was, it was the only thing we tried and made. And it's pretty nice to have that relationship where you're like, let's do this together. And we're not gonna shop around. We're just gonna work on this together and make sure it works.
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Yeah.
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You mentioned that you have Uma, that picture of Uma on your mood board and that Maya, like, kind of thinking about her in that context. And I feel like there are a lot of second generation kids coming up, like Nepo baby types who are wearing a lot of their mom's clothes. So, like, there's Kaia Gerber.
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Yeah.
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Yes. At Apple this past week, wore the Gwyneth Paltrow dress. That's definitely not my spirit Gwyneth, even though I wish that it was. And then also, obviously.
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What do you mean? In what sense? Like the dress you know about.
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Do you know about spirit Gwenny? So this is something my friend Marissa Melzer, you have to be on Instagram. I'll screenshot some things. My friend Marissa Meltzer, who's a writer now at Vanity Fair, who's, you know, out and about, she has this thing where she posts people's spirit Gwenneth. So you. Because there's so many images of Gwenneth. Mine is Gwennet's high school photo. Probably like every once in a while.
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Something her, like, fence her, like, Spence photo. Okay. Yes. Yeah.
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Her hair. I'm just like, this is who I want to be. But you kind of. You have to pick the Gwyneth that you feel like you're connected to the most. Yes, of course. What is it?
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Oh, it's like Brad Pitt era, like, leather jacket, front row denim, smoking cigarettes. It's like, that's.
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I know it.
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You know?
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Yes, I know it. So everyone has one or a couple. And also mine. The other one for me is when I think to the Golden Globe, she wore like a black sweater set and a gunmetal gray skirt that was Calvin Klein. And I copied that for like homecoming or something. That is my other one. It's like, all very innocent. Yeah, totally. But like, a lot of people post the black halter dress. But what do you think about that? Like, why do you think that this is happening? Do you think it has to do? Because I know you're a big vintage collector. Do you think it's. It obviously is a fun. A fun thing. To do. And I also know Gwyneth Paltrow is an incredible. She saved a lot of stuff. Everything compared to other. And it's like in her house. Right.
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It's not like she has saved everything. She has promised me a day to go through it, which is something I.
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Very much looking gotta do it.
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Why do I think people are rewearing, like, their parents clothes or vintage clothes?
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Yeah, yeah. Like, what do you think's happening in the culture that this is. Is a thing that's bubbling up? I mean, obviously it's a fun. It's a little stunt, but also it says more.
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Yeah. I weirdly think the. The vintage thing started when all these designers were moving and you couldn't get dresses and no one was at a house. And we were like, I had it last year with Mikey Madison when I was like, oh, we're. You just don't have gowns, so we have to vintage. Like, it was kind of just the only option. I also just think everyone's so online and you're seeing what everyone is wearing everywhere to. There's so many more carpets now. There's so many more events. There's only so many gowns that each collection has and shows and so many people that each brand can dress. And I just feel like there's just so many things people are going to that I think it's fun to kind of tell this story. And especially for kids who look up to their parents who remember, I think it's like an opportunity to storytell and for there to be different press around something. I think I really appreciate what Gwyneth has done with her Marty supreme press tour. Once I saw the. I saw the movie last week, and I didn't understand the pink Calvin until I saw the movie. And I was like, okay, now this makes sense. Like, there were certain. There have been certain nods that once you see the movie, you're like, oh, I fully respect what you're doing. And I don't think people are as obvious with press tours in the sense of like Margot Robbie with Barbie. I think it's nice to have a nod, which is why for me, it's so important to see the movie. And then kind of before I worked with Mia, I was like, I just wanna. I need to see some visuals. What's the color palette? It's jewel tones. What is like, the overall. There's feathers, there's teal, there's deep blues. And how do we kind of just like have a through line so it makes sense with your character? And I think Gwyneth has done an impeccable job at that in this press tour. Yeah.
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Yes. Shout out to Queen Elizabeth Saltzman because it has been killer. And I think the thing that's been amazing to me, I haven't seen the movie yet. We will go see it this weekend hopefully. But thank you, thank you to the people who tried to get me to go to a screening and they did invite me to that Ben Affleck screening. And I didn't know, but if I knew Ben Affleck was there, I would have left my child to go to the screening. But I was like, I should, I should stay home.
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It's fun. It's, it's, I can't wait to see it. I mean, I love her playing like a wealthy new, like, it's just exactly perfect. It's, it's all.
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I, I'm, I'm, I'm so excited to see it. But I think the two looks for me that really stood out were the two Valentino looks like the dress she wore the night after. Her dress is gorgeous. And then that suit she wore on Good Morning America. I was like, damn, she looked, she looks amazing. And it also, it didn't feel, it felt real. And I don't, she just, I mean she, she just looks awesome and it's been really fun.
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C
She also hasn't done the, the way she has aged.
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Yes.
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Which I think is something to look at in Hollywood.
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Aspired to.
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I, yeah, it's like the way she's aging is, is, I'm into it.
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It's, it's too good.
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C
She's doing. Yeah.
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B
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Okay, so let's talk about off duty style for a minute and in particular Ms. Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles.
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C
Okay.
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Who I don't know if you know about my Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce obsession with their outfits.
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C
Like, do I feel like we have, we have gone back and forth at some point about yeah, I'm just really.
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Interested in why she wears the clothes she wears and their outfits to sit as a couple. Obviously I don't, I called Travis Jason on a podcast recently. Obviously I don't don't follow football and didn't know who he was before he started dating her. I do follow it enough to be really good at my fantasy football league this year. Shout out to my colleague Dylan Byers.
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C
Fantasy football league.
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Yes. And, and we did very badly last year because I, it's fun, like, but.
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Do you know the teams? Like, are you like. Well, you like.
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Basically I had to learn because we failed miserably last year because I was not engaged at all. So now my Strat. I don't want to give away my strategy, but my strategy is if I think it's not going well, I do a little bit of work on it. I ask a couple people and then I just say to Dylan when I we need to fix it, I get.
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C
Doing like a Bachelor.
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And then he fixes it.
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C
Like fantasy thing where you're like, who's going to win the Bachelor? But football, this feels off brand, but I'm happy for you to have.
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I know even less about the Bachelor. I don't watch any reality tv. I don't either.
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But I wish I cared about it. I wish I cared.
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A
I just feel, I do feel like I missed out on a part of culture the last 15 years, but I just like, yes, I watched the Real World. It was great. And Road Rules.
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I never, I never watched Any of it. If, if I have like a night off, I would rather watch like a 90s. Like.
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Yes, same.
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Like, I'll just watch something old.
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I was, I watched the Real World and Road Rules a lot. And the funny thing is one of them, this guy Kyle Brandt is now a podcaster on the Ringer. And he does. I watched. I listened to the Rewatch Bulls. Do you know about this podcast? It's like a Bill Simmons podcast where they rewatch movies. Yes, it's a, It's a great podcast and I like sometimes listen to it when I'm falling asleep on the weekends. It's like my treat instead of fresh air. And this guy is on it. I'm like, puts you to bed.
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Yes.
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And I'm like, did I go to college with this guy? Why do I know this guy? He was on the Real Real, Real World. Like anyone on the Real World. I'm always like, did I go to college with him? Why do I know this person so well?
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Like what happens with me a lot.
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And it's always vacation. Yes. It's always.
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Yeah, I have that sometimes.
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But anyway, I feel like Zoe and Harry have become my like anti Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce because their outfits are so perfect every single.
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C
And they're perfect. They go out, which is.
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Yes. And they're obviously enjoying shopping together, which is the best.
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What do you. So what I think about them is they are separately and I know them both. They're innately cool. So like, them looking cool together is not a surprise to me.
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True. Do you think that this is part of the reason they like each other?
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I understand liking someone who has good taste and who is interested in the same things as you and who has like, I. I get it. Like, I feed off of my clients, I feed off of my friends. I have friends who I do not have the same taste as. And that's just not a version of our, like, that's not part of our love language. But I do think, yes. I think being in a relationship with someone who has a similar aesthetic or who like cares about the same things is probably really fun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I like them together. It's just fun. They like walking around. It's just interesting how much of the off duty style, how performative that's become.
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Well, it feels performative because we're seeing it. But I also think that them not on the street also, they look cool when they're home.
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True.
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You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't feel like they're like in the mirror like, should you put this on? Should I put this on? Like, they are both very cool. They are beautiful. They have good taste in everything, whether it be, like, interiors and film and music, and they're just cool people. So I think when you put them together, it's like, whoa, okay. You look really cool together. And this almost feels performative, but I really don't. I don't get the vibe that it is at all.
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Yeah, I don't think they're dressing up for us in any way. No, we're just. We just get to.
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C
We just like it. Yeah.
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Yeah, we just get to enjoy it. Best of luck to them. It would be fun if they got married because the wedding would be amazing, but, you know, not going to pressure them.
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Beautiful kids.
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Beautiful kids. Final topic of the day, Jamie. Since it's the holidays, I am on. I'm on Instagram way too much. Like, I need to get. I'm on it a lot. This. This started. It's been the last five years because it started when I was. When I was. After I had my kid, and. And I was like, I'd be on at. In the middle of the night, you know, that type of thing. And. But now I also use it for work a lot. Like, I DM people constantly, all day. And so, yeah, you need.
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C
You need it for work, which is. Can I. Can I give you a trick? Tell me what I'm. Take it off your phone, put it on your iPad or your laptop.
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A
I know I'm about to.
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C
I'm about to do a once a day on my iPad just to, like, give me. Because I am missing out on, like, yeah, things and seeing things, and I'll have people, like, screenshot me things or. Or. Or text me things that I can't open because I don't have it. And I'm like, got is good for work. So I think having it on your phone, it's like you're, You're. You just like, pick up your phone and you look at it and it's. And it's very dangerous. There is something really nice about not looking at it so much creatively. It makes you kind of, like, clear your brain a bit.
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A
Yes. And maybe I will do this over the holidays. The issue for me, I actually never had it on my desktop, and now I do, and it's gotten worse because I. I'm looking at it during the day now all the time. Whereas before it was like, every few hours. Now I'm on it because. And I'm like.
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B
Because I am.
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A
I am this Is the thing. And your job, I'm sure your job, but my job is literally to be available for people to like, I bought a T shirt. I bought an Emily. Yes, that's true. Actually. Different kind of availability.
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C
You.
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A
Yes. Like, we have a. I don't. I don't. I am not total. I'm half in this. You're in the service industry. I'm half in the service industry. Half not. But I have to.
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C
How are you. How are you in the service industry, though? Like, my.
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A
It's not really. But the way I serve. I serve my readership. So like.
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C
And also on your time. That's. On your time, you can serve them.
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A
I'm not in the service industry. I only. I could never get a job as a waitress.
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C
I'm gonna. I'm gonna. You. You are not in the service industry.
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A
I'm not. But what I will say is that, like, looking and just like checking in to see if someone DM'd me is of my benefit because it's like. And also, like last night I sent something to someone in Europe and I needed their answer immediately to make sure that what I was writing today, that they were cool with it. And if I. I can't not look. And Also, we only DM, so. Or we go on WhatsApp. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of thing.
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C
Totally.
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A
So it's totally. It's. But. But the point being that, like.
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C
But what's scrolling? Stop scrolling is all I'm saying.
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A
Well, this is one of the scrolling.
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C
That fucks with your brain.
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A
Yes. Okay, so this is one of the things that has happened to me. So first of all, I follow 7,500 people. It's so funny.
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C
On Instagram, leeway's tend to edit too. Like maybe filter.
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A
I have. I have tried. I have the limit. Like every once in a while I tried to follow Ruby Rosa, that store in Paris. I couldn't because I. I followed 70, so I had to look. And. And it's so hard to unfollow people. My husband is constantly DMing me, being like, you can unfollow this restaurant in Iowa that you follow. I just like. So this is the other issue. But the point being that, like, when I do scroll, I get a lot of suggested for you and I'm like, why are you giving me suggested for you?
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C
When? Whenever. Do you ever get offended by your suggested.
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A
Of course.
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C
Because sometimes I want to see this.
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A
Yes. And sometimes it listened to my conversation that I had and is like saying stuff that I'm like, I don't want you to know about that, like, motivational quotes or whatever that are coming through. But the one thing that I get a lot of a tons of before sunrise and before sunset, like forever. Just like every quotes from this movie. Pictures from these movies. Julie Delpy is like, constant. The other constant is Carolyn Bessette that has died down a little because I just stopped engaging with these.
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C
Well, it's about, it's about to rev up again. Just wait.
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A
Yes. Yeah, about to rev up again. The one that is really crazy recently though is Eyes Wide Shut. And this happens every Christmas. And I think also like 90s Nicole Kidman photos are pretty, pretty big right now. But a lot of Nicole Kidman from Eyes Wide Shut. And it, I mean, obviously great movie, one of the best Christmas movies ever. But I wanted to talk to you because I just felt like you probably really love the fashion in that movie. Like, we don't need to get into the, the actual themes of the movie, but the fashion in the movie is amazing. And I was just curious, like, do you reference it a lot? What. And you did a little rewatch last night to prep. I, I what. How do you feel about what that movie.
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C
I like any excuse to tell my husband he has to put the kids to sleep because I have to, I have to watch a Stanley Kubrick 90s movie to do for work. He's like, you've seen that movie. I'm like, I don't remember. I just, I gotta rewatch it.
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A
That's so funny.
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C
Yeah, I love it. Who does, like, who does not love that movie? First of all, her even just her, like, hair, her body, the opening scene with that Galliano dress. And I don't know if you know, you know, Lauren Scott advice on the costumes. And it was Merritt Allen who did Mrs. Doubtfire 2, which is not like a fashion movie, but it's definitely like, she also did Brokeback Mountain.
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A
Oh, wow.
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C
Which to me is a fashion movie. Just because I like, I agree, love cowboys, but yeah, everything. I mean, Nicole Kidman also, she had a big Galliano face. So that was her personal dress in the opening. That, like, slip dress that she wore, which is incredible. And they just like pulled it out of her closet, apparently.
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A
It's so perfect.
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C
It's. She doesn't wear it for very long, but it's so perfect. As is that lace long sleeve with the curls and her little curls in the front and the updo and her little ear. It's just, it's just everything about it is perfect. He also looks Phenomenal. In the movie.
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A
He. He really does. This was, like, I think, his peak. Those wires.
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C
Those wire frames she wears, like, makes you be like, do I need, like, little wire sunglasses?
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A
And I just had to get glasses. Maybe I should have gotten the shape.
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C
No, those. That. That feels like you watched a movie and then you got, like, a little too. To character.
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A
Her. Her robe. I mean, she also wears this camel. I feel like this. The camel. Yeah. With the black turtleneck is very you.
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C
It is. It's also very Carolyn Bessette. And it's just very 90s in general, which I think is having a moment.
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A
Yeah. The Nicole Kidman Galliano relationship. Someone should do, like, an essay on that.
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C
Well, she also. Was it that. I think she wore it to the Oscars that year or something like that. And remember that. Remember that? Galliano. The chartreuse with the. That is that. That goes down as, like, I would say, my favorite. That and Cate Blanchett in the black dress with the gold jewelry. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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A
Oh, no.
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C
Oh, it's the most beautiful.
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A
I would.
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C
That Nicole Kidman dress goes down as probably one of my favorites of all time. Are you into her current dressing?
- [37:22]
A
I don't really think about it a lot, to be honest. I like her. I'm into her. I think. Oh. I mean, she works with Jason Bolden. I think I like her Balenciaga weirdness. Like, she. She's a little weird, and she embraces that, and I like that about her.
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C
Well, I think we always. We always talk about this. It's like, there are people, and Zoe's one of these people that are fashion girls in general, and then there's people who are not, and then get styled by people, and then they become fashion girls. But it's like, definitely not, like, an innate thing. No, she's like, Gwyneth is a fashion girl. Like, Zoe's a fashion girl. I'll give Nicole that. She's just. Because of the history of the history and, like, her experiences.
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The interesting thing to me is that the ones that had the natural style in the 90s, a lot of them, I mean, as they've grown older, have become a little more polished or, I don't even. Polish isn't the right word. A little more calculated about how they dress, I think. And I'm looking at this Cate Blanchet, the Gaultier. It's so. She looks, her back looks amazing. I also love her. She also wore that. I think this is Galliano Dior. It's like a purple. I'm, I, I'm looking it up right now to see who it was. It's not, I, I believe it's like a, a purple slip dress thing. But yeah, I think, like, to me, the perfect example of someone who you can tell really has personal style is Kirsten Dunst, because she's been through a lot of different stylists. She has a very particular body. She has large boobs. So like, that changes the way dresses fit. And this is a thing getting to know a lot of you in recent years, just like how hard it is to get the fit right because these people are thin and beautiful. But like, if you're not built like a hanger, getting fit right on a, on a person, a human being is, is really challenging. And that's like such a big part of your job. I Feel like. But I think it is interesting to see there were people who had such. What seemed like such natural style in the 90s. And maybe that's also because when you're younger, a lot of people care about the way they dress when they're younger, and then they stop caring so much.
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C
Just because you've also done it right? So, like, yes, my style is so fucking kooky right now. I don't even. I cannot put on a pair of jeans and a white T shirt because I'm like, I'm going to walk into a room and someone else is going to have that on. So I'm going to throw on something so bizarre that I at least feel like my own person.
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B
Yes.
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A
Yeah. And that is, I think, a big part of this whole vintage thing where I don't want any new clothes because I want to look. I want it to look special. And so. And it's so hard for everything to be special. And going back to this movie, like.
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C
Well, you also want to be surprised, right? Like, you don't want. It's not like, okay, I saw that Valentino dress walk the Runway a few months ago, and now she's wearing it on the carpet. I think there's something exciting about the surprise of Apple wearing her mom's dress and then that being like, oh, my God. And then there's like, a bit of storytelling that's not just like, okay, that person got paid to wear that dress. Dress from a red carpet, and now that style has put it on them.
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A
And then I have one final question for you about the business of celebrity styling. Do you think that the big. Because the really big brands obviously have, like, a team that works on red carpet, and they do a lot of custom because they can afford to. But I think even the bigger brands, like, I'll hear stuff like, we're at the end of. Like you were saying, the end of the year for dresses. We don't have anything left. Do you think that the brands are going to have to invest more and make those teams bigger as. Because I just think the only thing that really works for these companies now is red carpet in terms of marketing. Like, it just has become this sort of final thing where they really are like. Alex Bolan, the New York Oscar de la Renta CEO, did the New York Times covered their Dominican Republic show. And he has basically, obviously, this is a smaller company. It's like, I think $130 million a year in annual revenue, but they mostly sell fancy dresses. And what his strategy has been, if we're going to do a show, it's really only for clients. And then on the other part of it, we are going to dress Taylor Swift and a few celebrities and make like they don't have a budget, but they've made that. Cause he just sees a much bigger ROI on that than, like, pretty much anything else. And I find it fascinating. Do you think that those sort of operations are gonna have to get bigger? Do you see them growing in the next few years?
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C
Well, I think there's, like, a real heightened intersection of what the roles of branding agents, stylists, publicists do as it relates to brand strategy for artists in general, you know, So I think that's, like, that's something that is constantly evolving and changing. And, yeah, I think as brands are bringing on more ambassadors and faces of. They are going to need to have the bandwidth to make. Especially if Mia's going to all the. You know what I mean? If you're doing a press run, Jeremy with Louis Vuitton, if he's going to every award show, they need to have the bandwidth to make him a tux or a look for every single thing. Same with Mia with Dior. If she's contractually obligated to wear Dior to the globes and the Sags and the. And all those things. And then I think there's certain moments where brands are like, okay. Like, we were okay to not dress her for this one, because it's just we want to put our energy into the biggest one because there's just so many carpets now that it's really hard to fulfill that when you also have 15 other people that are wearing Dior.
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A
It's really wild. It's a fun time for you to have. Be in this position and just see how it's all.
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C
Yeah.
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A
It's also fun to work with people.
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C
Who don't play in it. So, like, Adele is really fun because you're kind of like. And before Mikey got with Dior, that was really fun. Cause you're like, okay, we're gonna work with every single designer and see what happens here. And I don't think Adele will ever go with anyone. So it's just fun to constantly be able to work with.
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A
She doesn't need to, and that's why she's amazing. My son is a very big fan of Water under the Bridge. We've been listening to it a lot over the break. Jamie, final question. What are you wearing on New Year's Eve? Can you give us a sneak peek.
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C
On New Year's Eve? I'M gonna be in Sun Valley, Idaho with my family for my sister in law's 50th birthday. And I'll probably be in sweatpants. What about you?
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A
That sounds really fun.
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C
You know, I'm psyched.
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A
We usually.
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C
There's a lot of stuff in the new year that I will get dressed for.
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A
Yes, yes. The first weekend back you're gonna have tons of stuff. I think that's globes weekend, right? Yeah.
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C
What are you wearing and where will you be?
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A
Well, usually we do try to go out to dinner or something. Last year I went out. I went to the Dresden with my two like best girlfriends from my twenties and then we went to a dance party.
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C
Sick.
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A
Which was really. It was like old people. It was like. It was really fun. And there was karaoke, but I didn't do that. But anyway, usually we go out to dinner or something. I don't know. We're doing like a kids New Year's party and we haven't like contracted our typical babysitter. I think we may just stay at home. I don't know. I'm just very like. I don't like. I want to go to a big party like in When Harry Met Sally. In a ballroom and dressing. I need someone to do that. You. Someone in your inner circle. Yes, Jamie, some. You need to get someone in your inner circle to do it.
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C
Me and Riley a year ago had like a big dream of doing a huge New Year's party at Graceland. We were like, we are just gonna do it and it's gonna be. So everyone is gonna come to Memphis and we're gonna like just get dressed up and cut to. We're both on the couch with our like kids and family.
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A
I. I think you need to do it one year because I just like this is my, this is my dream. I just want to go to a big party and wear like a really pretty dress.
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B
Dance.
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A
Yes.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And. And like do dance like it just. And the night before I'm going to. Let's see if I survive. But I'm going to a 5:30 dinner at Moza on December 30th. 5:30 dinner at Moza. And then I'm going to a doubleheader at the New Beverly. Going to see When Harry Met Sally and When Harry Met Sally and then Sleepless in Seattle. And I bought the tickets before the Rob Reiner thing happened. RIP that shit is depressing. Let's not talk about it. But no, I bought the tickets before.
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C
But I'm just gonna say it's gonna be crazy.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I'm. I'm really excited. I don't know if we'll survive. Like, I'll be able to stay.
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C
Of course you will.
- [48:53]
A
Yeah. But I'm excited. We're gonna, like. My girlfriend and I are gonna kind of dress up, and it'll be fun, but on New Year's Eve, I think we're just gonna chill out.
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C
You know what I'm gonna watch tonight? Inspired by you, When I Met Sally. Because I do it.
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A
It's so good.
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C
It's so good. It's the best.
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A
Jamie, thank you for being here. Happy holidays. This was so fun. You look great, by the way.
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C
You look great. I love seeing you. I love chatting with you.
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A
I'll see you in a couple weeks, I'm sure.
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C
Send me some screenshots of things on Instagram that I'm missing. Okay?
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A
I will.
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B
Don't worry.
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