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Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply. Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's fashion and beauty memo line sheet. And today with me on the show is Kyle Smith, fashion editor of the NFL. We're talking super bowl athlete style, Peter and Elia, Margot Robbie's Wuthering Heights press tour, the Olympics and so much more. Happy Tuesday, everyone. Hope you are having a great week. I am in New York for fashion week and many events. On Sunday night to start, PAC co hosted a Super bowl party with Oscar de la Renta. It was really fun. I had a great time. And also thank you to the Oscar team for loaning me a jacket for it. I felt really good. It was beautiful. Not the most important part of the event. More on the event later in the episode. But tonight I am doing a reading as a part of Mikayla Derry's fabulous fashion fiction series at Warby Parker in SoHo. It's sold out. Don't try to come. And then tomorrow night we're doing a live podcast taping of Fashion people with Daniela Kallmeier supported by Starbucks. Thanks to Starbucks, they're Doing a lot this Fashion Week. More on that, too. And then on Thursday, also with Starbucks, I'm co hosting a dinner. I'm. I'm very excited for it. It should be. It should be fun. Lots of interesting. Well, not that many interesting people. Just we. The dinners are tiny. It's a tiny little dinner. So if you weren't invited, don't. Don't feel bad, but it should be good. And I'll. I'll be able to share more on that later in the week. I can't wait. I'm already so tired. There are so many shows. Tori Kate, Calvin, Michael Kors. So much writing to do. Glad the temperature is rising a bit, and I hope to see you around this week. Kyle Smith, welcome to Fashion People.
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Hi, Lauren. How are you?
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I'm really well, thank you. You are calling. I'm on the east coast today, and you are actually on the west Coast.
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Yep.
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Bright and early. 7am after the Super bowl was a big night for you. How did it. How did it go?
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It went really well, I think. I mean, it was. The super bowl is my super bowl, you know, so I'm just. I'm happy everything went well this week. Um, it was a busy week.
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Okay, so you. Is your official title fashion editor of the NFL?
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Yes.
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So you are the fashion editor of the NFL, but then you also style some of the players. Can you kind of run us through what your role is at the NFL, but then also what you do as a stylist and how you got into it? That's like three. I've been really bad at asking multiple questions at once, but I think you should. You can handle it today.
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I. I think so. I mean, I have, like, one brain cell left, but I think we can do it. So my job at the NFL, I made it up, so I figure out what that means every day. But I always say the biggest part of my job is education at the league. Working with our players to educate them on fashion. And, like, what does it mean to use fashion to grow their personal brand? That's huge for us. Helmet off content is huge for us. We really want to be able to give our players a voice and an identity outside of their uniform and their helmet. Who are they when they walk into the tunnel? And then they also help with our product collaborations, consumer products. So what brands we work with? Do we. Are we talking to Gen Z? Are we talking to people that wear streetwear? Are we talking to women in a way that they want to be, you know, seen and notice? And it's not Just glitter and sparkly products they can get. NFL shop. Is it something maybe more interesting and elevated? And then talking to fashion brands a lot about the opportunity that sports has is like, my NFL gig. And then.
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And I was just going to say you said you made it up. So did. How did you. How did you get there? I assume it was via styling a bunch of these players.
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Actually, it kind of came a little differently. So I started in celebrity styling, working with amazing stylists like Carla Welch and PR for brands like Amiri. And then at one point, just really needed stability in my life. Styling is scary in freelance. So I got a job at the NFL Network and styling the host there. And I was just like, great. A job. This is cool. Also weird. I'm in the NFL building, my first time interacting with sports at all. And then I would be on set with the host, and they'd be talking about players and showing clips of them walking in. And I was like, no. Is no one talking about the fact that this player is wearing full Gucci or, you know, like, a really cool streetwear brand that I know because I work in fashion. So I started, like, an Instagram account about that, but then Covid happened, was laid off. Covid's. Obviously, our styling's not good around Covid, so was just at home for, like, two years following sports. And then I got a DM from the NFL that was like, do you want a job here as our fashion person? I was like, sure. Great. And then they invented a role for me on the social team. But it just grew so quickly. Consumer products reached out about creative directing, photo shoots, and players would reach out or their agents or anybody at the league that had, like, got an email that said fashion. It was just forwarded to me, and I was like, I guess that's my job. And then Joe Burrow's team called me in June of 24, asking to go to Fashion Week. And, you know, I was like, does he have a stylist? And then my job just exponentially grew.
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I remember when he went, because I think there was. There was a lot of press around it. And Peter Hamby, my colleague who is the host of the Powers that Be podcast, I remember him messaging me and being like, like, this is a big deal. I was like, cool. I don't know who this person is, because I'm not, admittedly not a big sports watcher, but obviously, follow the tunnel and all that stuff. And then it. It became. It's become a bigger and bigger thing. And. And the tunnel phenomenon. I feel like, it maybe started in basketball, but has moved to all the sports. And it must be so fun to, like, be the person who's crafting this story around fashion and football.
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It's fun because it's new to me, and I think that's also, like, a big part of my business justification or what the league sees is expanding to audiences that we normally wouldn't talk to. Like, we have our avid fans that watch every Sunday and, like, football is their life, and, you know, that's everything for them. But how can we talk to a new audience? How can we talk to Gen Z or someone that's interested in fashion, the queer community? Like, anybody that, like, doesn't think football is for them, I'm like, it is for them. I think it's a cool way to express that through fashion. I always tell our players, like, what was the first concert you went to? And do you have, like, a band T shirt from that concert? And then, like, now someone who maybe isn't a football fan but is a fan of the Beastie Boys sees a player wearing that, they're like, oh, I'm maybe interested in this player, and I want to follow their journey. Yeah, you know, it's like, it's cool to see so many more people get interested in football through fashion.
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Are there more. Are there a lot of same T shirts that they say, and what band is it?
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It's actually so funny. The other day I asked this question, and I got Miley Cyrus. Wow, player.
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And I was like, I see it.
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No, now I'm a fan of you, actually. So it's always different, but I think it's just a good question to get their brain started on. Like, how can you use fashion? You know, like I always say, don't pay attention to trends. Like, stop wearing brands if they're not paying you. Like, focus on you and focus on the things that make you you, because that's. That's the goal here.
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So tell me about last night and what your work entailed last night specifically, and then we can talk about the halftime show a little bit in detail. But what. What did you have to do to prep for last night? What did you have to do last night? Like, what. How did you incorporate fashion into that. That event? It was the super bowl, everybody.
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Right? In case we didn't. In case we didn't know, honestly, yesterday was kind of chill for me. Okay. It was the week leading up to it that was really hectic and cuckoo because I don't dress many players on the Seahawks or the Patriots and obviously don't dress bad bunny. So I was. And I kept asking my boss, I'm like, what's my business justification for paying here today? And she's like, go talk to people. Like, go hang out. You know, I got sweet access on my credentials. Or like, nice. Go be with people and talk about fashion. Be around the people that make sense for you and help grow the league's fashion initiative. So I was with Rose from blackpink and Diplo and just talk.
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Oh, it's Rose. I thought it was Rose.
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I. I'm pretty amazing at the Grammys. She looks phenomenal. She's phenomenal. And so it was just. That was my job there. I was just taking photos for a few magazine diaries and just, like, talking about fashion with our. Our big fans.
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It's fun. Did you go to the GQ bowl on Friday night?
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Well, of course.
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Like, how was it? Tell me. It was an irl.
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It was so good, I cried. I mean, I always cry at a Tom Brown fashion show. They just want to live in his world. But it was beautiful. It was at the Legion of Honor museum. So we're there with, like, Rodin's and art and players walking in the show, players sitting front row, everyone wearing Tom Brown.
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Some of the. One of the guys you style was in the show, right?
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Dustin Jefferson. I work with him a lot. He was in Paris with Joe. He walked in the show. And then also DeAndre Hopkins, who I work with a lot as well, was in the show. And also Marcus Allen. He started modeling a few years ago, retired from the league. We kind of met when I first started at the league, and it was. He always was like, I want to model. Like, that's my next thing. And I was like, sure. Wasn't skeptical, but I was like, it's going to be a push. And ever since his career has, like, blasted off, has walked in Vetmont shows and Milan Fashion Week, and it's so cool to see him transition into his dream of modeling.
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Yeah, that's really cool.
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Sick.
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That's so fun. So what. Now that the season is over, what will you do? Like, what will your job be? Mostly, like, collaboration and partnership stuff and just meeting with people and figuring out for next season how you're going to activate people.
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Think off season is a time for me to chill out, but it's really not because that's when players are out and about. I like the season because I know they have to be at practice. They have to be at their games. There's not a lot for them to do off season. That's when they're like, hey, let's go to Tokyo. Hey, let's go to the Met Gala. And I'm like, sure. Great, then. So it's like, all the possibilities. So it gets a little bit crazier, but it's really fun. We have draft coming up in April, and that's kind of. I know, like, that's exciting for me. Cause you get to see, like, these kids in college and this huge moment in their life. They get to join the league and their first red carpet a lot of the time. So that's really fun and exciting. And then, you know, of course, figuring out what we want to do next super bowl. Like, already planning for the LA Super Bowl.
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Is that where it is next year? That's where I live.
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Same, same. So I am excited to at least sleep in my own bed next Super Bowl.
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Yeah.
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It's going to be crazy.
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I wonder where. What stadium? Do you know what stadium it's going to? Why are we talking about.
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It's out, so.
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Oh, got it. Okay. I. I have been there once.
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It's a fabulous stadium.
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Yeah, that's fun. Maybe I'll be there, maybe I won't. Maybe I'll rent it out.
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Yeah. Please come.
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Yeah, I guess I should come to the super bowl if I live in la.
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I think you should. I always say to everybody, like, the super bowl, if you don't go to the game, like, go to the location of it, like, for the week. Every celebrity is in town, every brand's in town. There's so many parties. It's just like going to Fashion Week and that. Like, you can watch it online, you can look at the photos, but you go for the people and the people that you meet and the opportunities that are there.
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Are you heading back to New York for Fashion Week or are you skipping?
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I'm 50. 50 right now. One of my guys was invited to some shows and so thinking about going, but those are All Stars next weekend in la. Like, I just Want to go home so bad right now. Like, I get it. Who knows?
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I also want to go home so bad. And I have seven more days. No, I'm. I'm excited to be here. It's. I got. I got through the coldest day, and so now I'm just. I just have to. And I. One event down, three more to go. And then all the fashion shows and the writing and everything. It's. It's all fun. It's all good. You know who else has been, like, sort of on a tour, tear of busyness is Margot Robbie for her Wuthering Heights press tour.
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Yeah.
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And I was curious from. As a stylist, from your perspective, what you think about what she's been wearing. So she's been doing, like. She started working with Andrew Mukamal during the Barbie campaign, and they did, like, they. They kind of. I don't think they were the first to do, like, the big themey thing, but I think that they did it. Maybe Challengers was before Barbie. I can't remember. I'm tired. But it was really themey because it was Barbie. And so she was a different Barbie at every. Every event. And all this pink. This was. And it's interesting because, like, I like her. I'm not. I have. I'm neutral on her. I obviously love Andrew Mugumal. I'm not ever that interested in her clothing. Like, I like the Barbie tour. I thought it was fun. But this tour. And also, I am gonna go see this movie or rent it or something. I love Wuthering Heights. Emerald Fennell, the director. I loved her first movie, Promising Young Woman. I hated Saltburn, so I mixed on her. But I think she's amazing, and I'm interested in her as a director, so I will go see this movie or rented or something. They did, like, a. It was interesting because it's not. It wasn't, like, period piece clothing, but they did a lot of bodices because this is like sort of a rip bodice type story, even though it's high literary fiction or whatever. I loved this tour. I think, like, it was interesting because it's completely. It's not my personal taste at all. And I think sometimes it's really hard for fashion writers not to let their personal taste get in the way. Like, I love everything Danielle Goldberg does because I like her taste.
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Right.
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But this was. I just thought she looked tremendous in every single look. It was, like, a little bit campy, but not too campy. There. We can go through looks. But I was just curious what Your take was as someone who is. You do this for a living. You're crafting people's images. You worked with Carla, so you've done, like, tons of that. Sort of a Lister red carpet. And now you do it for. For these people who are really trying to tell who they are through clothes because they don't talk as much as. As an actor or whatever. I was just curious what you thought about it.
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I actually. I love it. But it's funny you mentioned that, because I always bring up Margot Robbie's Barbie Tour when I talk about our players and why I think it's really cool to work with them in that. Like, Margot Robbie isn't Barbie. She's an actress. She's not her character in Wuthering Heights, she's an actress. So when she's dressing and doing these things, like, it's cool to, like, then kind of build out this universe of her and through her clothing. And then the difference with our players is like, they're not acting, they're just being themselves.
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Yeah.
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You know, they get to, like, be really authentic, which is like, you know, it's just two different forms of styling, I guess. One, Margot's like, promoting a project in a film, whatever she's working on. And then with our players, they're just being themselves. They're promoting themselves and their personal brand. But I love what Andrew's doing with Margot. I think it's really cool because then it gets you really excited for it. Just expanding the universe of whatever project she's working on. But you're right, it's also like, there's Charlie XCX songs in this movie.
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Yeah, it was interesting. I got a couple because I posted the dress from that British designer who. I'm going to look up her name because I'll probably butcher it, maybe, you know, is. I love this. I thought she looked truly incredible in it. Oh, it's. Oh, come on. Well, I think I can do this. I think it's phonetic.
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Dilara Finnikoklu. The one with Kylie Jenner, right?
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Yes. Find a cochleu. Find a coclu. This dress is incredible. Anyone who says it's not incredible, and it was interesting. A couple people who I really respect their style in their sort of sense of these things, was like, it. It all looked too forced. But, like the John Galliano stuff, the vintage John Galliano, she wore a 1988 Vivienne Westwood bubble skirt dress. Then she was wearing.
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I think she wore Tom Brown the other day.
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Yes. More Dilara Fin de Goklu. Koklu. She wore. Oh, yes. This custom Thom Browne. That is, like, the sexiest thing Thom Browne has ever made with, like, garter belts and thigh highs. It was incredible. She wore a gorgeous Chanel couture. I mean, just like, velvet dream. Dream stuff. And then what was this final look that they're showing Mark Gong I. Who. I don't. I don't know that designer. I'm not cool enough. Now I do, but I loved it. And I also. My best friend from college, Jenny, posted it, and she is, like, loves fashion, but is not a fashion victim. She's not, like, following it. She was like, this is the best. I like. It was her. All these clothes are her dream. I just thought it was really well done and really fun, and it's so hard these days to get that stuff right. And I thought they did a really good job with it.
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Yeah. I mean, you're building an image.
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Yes.
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I think it's really cool to see a talented stylist be so creative. Like, it's. You put. You put fashion in the hands of the right person, and you're. You're building like, it's a whole world. It's so cool. And that's what I think I love about styling, is, like, the world building.
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Sorry, I'm running through these. But they are also good. And everyone should go. There's, like, a post on Cosmopolitan. It's probably syndicated across all her websites. That's what they do. But they. It's like, all the looks, and there's Schiaparelli. There was, like, a gradient ball skirt. That was amazing. More Dallara Finda Coquloo. And then also an Alexander McQueen gorgeous dress by Shawn McGeer. It's. It's gorgeous. I loved. I'm obsessed. I loved all of it, and it's been so fun to watch it. And d', Lara, to me is like, she was already. Because Kylie and the Jenners wore her to the Bezos wedding. I feel like that's why she was really on the map outside of London. But I think. And I know the. I think last season her show was extremely late and people were annoyed. But the point being that, like, I wish. I don't think I'm. I'm going to London for two days. I don't think I'm gonna be there when her show is happening if she's doing one. But she is a real star, and this campaign sort of sealed that for me. And I can't even imagine what Andrew's phone is gonna look like after this Every single A List star is gonna be like, I want you to do my press tour. It's gonna be crazy. I hope he's making a lot of money.
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Me, too. I only hope the most talented people are making tons of money.
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Yes. Another thing I wanted to ask you about is on Friday, it was finally announced that Peter Mulier. Mulier. Is going to be the new creative director of Versace. I reported this a couple months ago, and it took a while, but they have reported it. He's going to do, I believe, one more collection for Alaia, final collection, and then he starts on July 1st at Versace. I don't. They didn't announce when his first collection would be. My hunch is that it's going to be. He'll do. The Runway will be February 2027, and he'll do some sort of small activation in the fall. But, like, I'm just guessing, so I don't know. But I am just curious, like, what you thought about Peter's work at Alaia and how you feel about him taking over Versace.
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I think. I think Peter's work at Alaia. Yeah. Like, one mission. It's like, uphold it. Like, I think Alaia is too iconic, too. Like, I think of Clueless every time. Like, this is no Liah. Like, that's like, every LA person's, like, introduction.
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Yeah. It's how everyone in America, other than people who read magazines, found out about Alaia or watched House of Style, obviously.
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Right. And I think, like, he did his job. Like, he didn't. He didn't make it something like a disappointment to anybody. Like, I. I really liked his work there. And then both Versace. I'm so curious, like, what that collection would look like, because I'm thinking of what Donatella had done, and I'm like, are those the same person? Do they live in the same world? I don't know. So I'm just. I'm so curious to see. But if he's as talented, you know, if you can bring his talent that he had with Alaia to Versace, I'll be, like, really curious what that can look like from him.
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Yeah, it was interesting because Dario Vitale was really channeling, like, early 1980s Versace.
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Right. Like, or OG Versace. Like, those Versace people don't even know.
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Exactly. Yes. And so I think Peter is so such. I feel like he's really modern as a designer, so maybe it'll be more. I don't think it's going to be like Donatella, but I can see it Feeling more bodycon. And. And about the. About bodycon in the way Donatello was, I could see that's what they would share. But I'm excited.
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Bodycon, like, I think that's the crossover. Right. But I'm, like, the color I'm thinking about the color is what I'm actually kind of nervous about.
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Yeah. It's interesting because he has a very particular sense of color that I love. I bought a beautiful blue. I don't even know how to describe it. Like, almost electric blue dress from. It was a commercial dress, but it. The color was taken from the Runway, and it's. I love it. I mean, it's. It fits like a dream, and it's just a really incredible piece. But. But it is. Yeah, it's interesting that it's going to be. It's going to be fun. He's also really good at accessories and things like that. So I hope we get some good shoes. I hope we get some great jeans. I'm really looking forward to it. What I love about fashion today is that it is less dictatorial than ever. If you want to wear bell bottoms one day and skinny jeans tomorrow, that's totally fine as long as you make them look good. And a lot of that freedom comes from access to the secondhand market. And Poshmark is at the center of this movement. Like, you can get Michael Korseline, Phoebe Filo Celine, Hetty Slimond Celine, and Michael Ryder Celine all in one place. And for prices that feel fair, I love that there's a lot of proper vintage on there too. I'm currently on the hunt for. For Phoebe Philo era Chloe. If you see anything, send me a Poshmark link. There's tons of men's stuff on there and kids stuff on there too. We love Bobo shows, and any purchase over $500 will go through an authentication process. So if you're worried about that, there's your peace of mind. It's a great place to sell stuff too, so you can buy more stuff. Find what feels like you shop and share your style on Poshmark. Today, Download the Poshmark app and use code Puck for free shipping on your first order. That's Puck P U C K for free shipping on your first Poshmark order. Kyle, one final question on the subject of Italy and Italian brands.
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Oh, yes.
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I was curious. Did you watch the openings? Did you have time? I guess you didn't if you were in San Francisco, but did you watch or, like, catch any of the opening ceremonies? There was so much Armani There's a little Montclair. I'm curious what you thought about the Milan Cortino Olympics, how they're going so far, fashion wise.
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If you think I've had time to look at any of this. I wish. I so wish I did, because I actually love the Olympics in a way that's sickening. But I. I have not had a chance. I'm not surprised there was Armani and. Or the Moncler, especially after I did see that show that they did in. In Aspen.
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Oh, did you go to Aspen?
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No, please. I wish. But one of my players, one of my players I worked with, Kenny Stills, like, was in the show as a model. So he sent me photos from that. So I saw that. I was like, oh, this makes sense for Milan. But did not get a chance to see any of the looks. I need. I need the rundown.
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My hot take is that I didn't think it was that amazing. I thought that the Armani stuff was fabulous. They did, like, a big sort of tribute to him and Vittoria Ceretti, who's the campaign star, she wore, like, a gorgeous Armani prive dress, and they did, like, red, white, and green Armani suits. And then the team wears, like, a subset brand, like a sporty brand of Emporio Armani. I thought the Ralph Lauren opening ceremony looks were good. Look like there are a lot of puffers because it's cold and it's winter. I don't know. Something's in the air about hockey because of heated rivalry and then also because of it being the Winter Olympics and skating and ice rinks and all that. And hockey is this sport that I grew up in Pittsburgh, where hockey was a big thing. Pittsburgh Penguins, Yamir Jagger, all that stuff. But, like, even pre. Moving to Los Angeles, and I know the New York Rangers are big, but, like, hockey just felt like it had. It had fallen out of the culture in the same way that I think baseball has a little bit. And I don't know why I'm obsessed with, like, NFL and NBA are very much in the middle of culture, whereas NFL, baseball in particular, I think used to be. And it. It goes. It. It ebbs and flows, but I feel that it has fallen out of the culture in certain ways that it used to dominate in, like, the late 80s or what have you. But that's just me as someone who's not that interested in watching sports, but, like, I'm interested in the culture of sports, NHL even more. I was like, why does this even exist anymore? And then all this Stuff has been happening in the last couple of months where it feels like it's, it's moving. And I'm sure that the NHL has seen what the NFL and the NBA have done and, and are. Are moving in. I, I doubt they orchestrated heated rivalry, but anyway, I ended up watching the Cutting Edge over the last few nights. The, the film about the figure skater and the hockey player. It's extremely good and the outfits in it are amazing. But there was a Canadian figure skater who wore these custom Oscar de la Renta outfits and it reminded me so much of like the Vera Wang era of like Michelle Kwan and Nancy Kerrigan wearing her stuff. And so those were gorgeous. And we did. Last night we did a party with Oscar de la Renta's super bowl party, which was really fun. And they had.
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C
That's so fabulous.
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It was awesome. It was like a million times better than you could imagine. It was so much fun. Huge congrats to the CMO club, Chloe Pepescu and also Eliza and Alex Bolen who own the company because the party was amazing. Like, they had. We had chips and caviar and dip and wings and pizza and solo cups that were co branded Puck and Oscar. They had the foam fingers. Co branded Puck and Oscar. They did all these raffles. Everybody watched them. The show in a big theater. I got to wear Oscar de la Rent. We all got to wear Oscar de la Rento, which was really fun. And they, they like Diamante, the, the footballs that the models were carrying. And they didn't do a show. It was just like more they were walking around. It was such a good. I had such a good time. But anyway, I. Why did I bring that up? Oh, because they, they did these, they did these costumes and it was just really fun. But I would say, honestly, like a lot of my friends, I was at soccer on Saturday morning before I flew to New York and a couple of my friends were like, what'd you think? What'd you think? And I was like, I don't. I. I was more interested in the Summer Olympics in Paris. But it was, it was interesting to me. The biggest, my biggest takeaway that I wrote about in Line sheet was it's very obvious that like, independent companies are still really important in Italy, whereas in France, LVMH co sponsored the Olympics. And they were so dominant and everything was about LVMH and that, that exists. They exist. Caring exists. They all exist in Italy. But it was just. It kind of like underscored the importance of Armani to that culture and Also Monclair, too, which is, you know, is a group now, but Remo Raffini is such an entrepreneur. And it was just. It was interesting. But I have to say, like, I didn't have a bunch of takeaways from. I like the color and everybody looked a little nuts. But, yes, I know the Issey Miyake uniforms from. I think it was like Barcelona 92 or 93. The Lithuanian uniforms. The best Olympics uniforms ever.
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C
We all think about those every day.
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Yeah, I mean, they're good. They're good.
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C
When are we going to do that again?
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Well, this is the thing. Like, they should be. I get why. I mean, I. It costs a lot of money to win one of these sponsorships, so I get why Ben Sherman is the sponsor of the British team. But, like, no one wants to see that stuff. People want to see. They want to see Shawn McGear from McQueen doing it. Like, they don't.
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C
That would be heaven. Heaven.
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Or our new friend from London. Like, they want something interesting. So I. It's complicated, but I think the smaller countries. If I were a designer, I would just. I would give. The smaller countries that don't, you know, they don't. They're never going to get that much money. You could probably afford to sponsor it. I would do that because you get so much pickup. Like, the press around these things is wild. But generally, I would say my sort of negative Nelly take is that the uniforms for the opening ceremony weren't that great. And I'm much more interested to see what people are wearing off the slopes and off the court and all that. And also as their uniforms for the actual competitions. That's a little more interesting to me.
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C
That's so funny because, like, in football, I'm always like, I'm not looking at the uniforms. I'm never looking at those. But then there's so many, like, avid fans that, like, their whole life is the uniform and they're excited about the next game's uniform. They're like, oh, they're doing the white edition. Or this year we had, like, Nike rivalries jerseys is what they were called. And it was like special rivalry teams. There were eight of them. And it'd be like the Arizona Cardinals were doing, like, this dusty dune like, situation. And then the Bills had a blizzard theme. And so uniforms could be kind of a cool moment that can make a certain match or a certain game so interesting. And there are fans of team uniforms.
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A
I am hugely interested in that stuff because I just am interested in utility and then also messaging through color and little signals like that. I. I also. But I also think what people wear off offline is important too. Like when skims. I don't know if they did it for this, this year, but for. I'm sure they're doing it for la. And they're definitely also. They did it for the last Olympics, but it's like being the official, whatever it is, the village outfitter. So what you're wearing on the downtime or. J. Crew has a interesting partnership with ski and ski and snowboarding and where they're like the official lifestyle partner. And they did an amazing collaboration that I actually bought something from because I liked it so much. It just looked so good. All the merch has been really good. I love the Gap stuff. It's been fun. But Kyle, is football an Olympic sport? I guess it's not.
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C
Well, interesting you say that, Lauren. So for the past few years. Cause I remember when I started a few years ago, it was a big thing. Flag football was really, really a big initiative of ours to get, you know, boys and girls can play flag football. And so it's been a big, A big deal for us to get it into the Olympics. Like, we were having meetings with the International Olympic Committee, and then like two years ago it was approved. So in the LA Olympics, it's gonna be the first year that we have flag football. And it's. I'm, I'm really excited about that. And also the opportunities. Like, we've been talking to a few amazing artists and singers. I can't name anybody, but about doing official NFL flag merch. So, like, the flags are designed by maybe one of your, one of your favorite rappers or, you know, like, really cool merch that kids can buy, adults can buy. So it's going to be in the Olympics. And then I might be wrong, my publicist might kill me, but I'm pretty sure it was just approved that we could have our players or NFL athletes be the flag football Olympians.
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A
Wow. Fingers crossed. We'll see. Stay tuned for the next time Kyle Zahni can update us on that.
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C
I'll give you a big update.
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Kyle, thank you for getting up so early and doing this and it was so fun to chat with you. I love watching what you're doing and I hope to see you at some fashion week or another soon.
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C
I'll see you soon. We just announced our first Paris game, so maybe there, maybe in Paris.
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A
Oh, yes. Let's do it. Let's do it. Kyle, thanks again. This was so fun.
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C
Thank you.
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Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy and director of editorial operations Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.