The 2026 Fashion Discourse So Far

Summary

Fashion People Podcast — The 2026 Fashion Discourse So Far
Host: Lauren Sherman with guest Marissa Meltzer
Release Date: January 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

Lauren Sherman (Puck's fashion and beauty correspondent) welcomes back writer Marissa Meltzer for the year's first in-depth conversation. They unpack the latest buzz behind the scenes, from the evolving state of department stores to the debut of Jonathan Anderson’s Dior, fur’s renewed presence, celebrity style, plastic surgery in 2026, jewelry trends, and the ever-changing mood of the industry. The episode is a blend of industry analysis, personal anecdotes, style predictions, and candid takes on nuance and privilege within fashion debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Style, Wardrobe Management, and Selling Secondhand

• Selling Clothes Online (03:56–05:47)

  • Marissa shares her experience decluttering, selling on Instagram, and her preference for local pickup in her doorman building.
  • Frustration with eBay ("People are always trying to get refunds or they buy and don't pay") and The RealReal ("You get so little money...").
  • Both panelists reflect on emotional attachment to clothes and the constant process of wardrobe refinement.

  "I like, I have a huge wardrobe, but I also like, I wear all of it, so I keep it to stuff that I... that's in the rotation."
  — Marissa Meltzer (05:34)

• Shopping Habits and Planning for 2026 (06:07–09:39)

  • Discussion of limiting purchases, prioritizing quality, buying in Europe for value.
  • Marissa predicts Lauren will acquire a standout piece from Mathieu Blazy's new direction at Chanel.
  • Reflection on how being a "shopaholic" means something different among people who know their own style.

  "I really am. Like, don't buy that many things and just buy a couple a year..."
  — Lauren Sherman (08:40)

2. Dior Under Jonathan Anderson: The Launch & First Impressions

• Rollout Reactions (10:02–18:10)

  • Both note January’s major product drop on Dior.com as a statement moment.
  • Marissa’s take: Anderson is a "good product designer," but logo-heavy accessories feel more suited to a “Valentino Rockstud” audience.

  “I personally can only foresee the corniest kind of person wearing [the belts] in the manner of the Hermes H belt...”
  — Marissa Meltzer (12:54)

  • Lauren discusses noticeable line sheet-to-retail price drops, possibly from fabric changes or strategic repositioning.

  • Bags ("bow bag") and shoes are called out as stars—priced competitively yet aspirational (bow bag at $4,300, shoes at $1,000—$1,500).

  • Discussion about demographic shifts: Will Dior, historically appealing even to older clients, retain them under Anderson's youthful touch?

  • Jewelry, especially costume pieces, predicted to do well.

  “The only thing I really want is the lady. The, the costume is 500 bucks for all that daisy stuff. I think it's super cute.”
  — Lauren Sherman (17:52)

3. Jewelry Trends for 2026

• Personal Picks & Diamond Discourse (18:42–21:01)

  • Lauren plans to embrace silver and finally buy diamonds, open to estate/vintage but wary of lab-grown.
  • Marissa is similarly focused on silver, and prefers the authenticity of estate stones.

  “This is controversial but I don’t do lab grown diamonds. Get the...No, I'm not. Look, look. I get estate.”
  — Marissa Meltzer (19:33)

  • Lighthearted banter over the difference between wanting "nothing crazy" and actually craving luxury pieces like a Riviera necklace.

4. The Return of Fur — Nuance, Culture, and Cycles

• Changing Attitudes and Cultural Significance (22:08–25:11)

  • Marissa is unapologetically pro-fur ("I'm a big fur person"); Lauren is more agnostic, focusing on nuance and personal ethics.
  • Aurora James’ recent writing is quoted, highlighting fur’s role as a historic signifier of success in Black culture.

  "There is a very real history of fur being one of the earliest ways black women we're able to acquire and signal wealth."
  — Aurora James, quoted by Lauren Sherman (24:09)

  • Discussion on shifting and cyclical trends: “no fur/fur/no fur/fur,” and how this year seems poised to embrace gray areas over polarized stances.

5. Style & Public Life: New York’s New First Lady

• Rama Duaji and Political Fashion Influence (25:53–30:24)

  • Examination of Rama Duaji’s style (boots everywhere, indie European brands like Renaissance) and her resonance as a young, confident presence in NYC politics.
  • Panelists debate personal taste and the implications of being a public female figure whose every sartorial move is scrutinized.

  "I don't like her aesthetic...it's a little cliche Brooklyn girl to me. But...she seems very confident and happy..."
  — Marissa Meltzer (28:23)

  • Potential for her to boost emerging and indie designers’ visibility.

6. Red Carpet & Film Fashion

• Palm Springs & Critics Choice Awards (30:39–37:51)

  • Praise for Danielle Goldberg’s styling of Jessie Buckley.

  • Analysis of Timothée Chalamet’s Givenchy look (“double-breasted, Dick Tracy costume”–adjacent), and desire to see Kylie Jenner embrace more elegant, avant-garde designers.

  • Renata Reinsve (star of “Sentimental Value”) lauded for her Givenchy white dress—though Lauren notes it should have been lined.

  • Rose Byrne’s consistent excellence in Celine by stylist Kate Young.

• Fashion in Recent Films (38:59–44:51)

  • “Marty Supreme” and “Sentimental Value” are dissected for their wardrobe choices: Gwyneth Paltrow’s yellow organza shirt, Nomi Fry’s “1950s office lady” red lip, Elle Fanning in custom Saint Laurent.
  • Commentary on how smart, era-evocative styling (especially in “Song Sung Blue”) can make even small movies culturally resonant.

  "It kind of looked like how people dressed. And I appreciated that because I think there is maybe a temptation to make it too over. It was like, just bongo enough.”
  — Marissa Meltzer (50:09)

7. Department Store Drama: Saks, Bergdorf, Neiman Marcus

• Industry Analysis & The Future of Shopping (50:38–54:50)
  • Deep dive into M&A speculation, bankruptcies, and the need for a "Bon Marche"-type experience in the US.

  “That's why Bernard Arnault needs to buy Bergdorf.”
  — Lauren Sherman (51:43)

  • Both mourn the lack of inspiring food halls ("Food halls don't work in America"), and the need for fewer, better stores, focused on curation/discovery.
  • Lauren advocates for the independent specialty store model (e.g., Hirschleifers, Armory) as the future, warning against over-expansion.

  “When you start to have, like, 15 The Webster 7 stores, it never works out. It never works out. So don't try to expand beyond...”
  — Lauren Sherman (55:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Industry Cycles:

  "It's just so interesting to me, the cycle of no fur, fur, no fur, fur. And it goes in and out, in and out, in and out...I think we're all trying to live a little more in the gray area."
  — Lauren Sherman (24:09)

• On the New York First Lady’s Style:

  "I would literally everyone. I'd be like, what about a collarless black Chanel jacket?"
  — Marissa Meltzer (30:39)

• On American vs. European Department Stores:

  "I want a shopping experience that's like Bon Marche in Paris or something."
  — Marissa Meltzer (51:23)

• On Movies as Fashion Moodboards:

  "I, I mean, I love Miyako. I love the fashion in, in this one."
  — Lauren Sherman (41:14)

• On Designer Rollouts:

  "Is this going to be wildly successful? I really do not know. It's a matter of taste and it's a matter of market reaction."
  — Lauren Sherman (16:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:56 | Selling and decluttering wardrobes; The RealReal gripes | | 06:07 | 2026 wardrobe plans, Chanel and shopping philosophy | | 10:02 | Dior under Jonathan Anderson — product, pricing & appeal | | 18:42 | Jewelry picks for 2026: silver, diamonds, and lab-grown debate | | 22:08 | Fur returns; culture and ethics in fashion | | 25:53 | NYC's First Lady and fashion as political signal | | 30:39 | Red carpet review: Buckley, Chalamet, Renisve, Byrne | | 38:59 | Movie style: Marty Supreme, Sentimental Value, Song Sung Blue | | 50:38 | Department store shakeout: Saks, Bergdorf, NM; retail future |

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Tone & Style

This episode balances brisk analysis with wit and warmth. Lauren and Marissa’s banter is relatable yet brimming with expertise, delivering juicy industry details while grounding their takes in the realities of those who love fashion (and often, shop more than they’d like to admit). There’s candor about privilege and a call for greater industry nuance—a thread especially strong in their discussion of fur and the realities of consumption.

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Summary

If you want to understand what matters to “fashion people” right now—the post-pandemic recalibration of personal style, the wave of designer reshuffles, the high-stakes drama behind department store doors, and the subtler ways cultural discourse shapes what’s in and what’s out—this discussion is a fresh, unvarnished window into 2026’s fashion psyche. You’ll walk away craving a trip to Paris, ready to debate fur on a new level, and with at least three new movies on your watchlist for the clothes alone.

Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo line sheet and today with me on the show is Marissa Meltzer, author, writer and singer substacker. We're talking plastic surgery in 2026, the return of fur, the arrival of Jonathan Anderson's Dior in stores, and plenty more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I am back. I told you there would be news while I was out. Always happens. I therefore have the latest on the Saks Global situation in line sheet on Monday. As you may have heard, the company Marissa Meltzer welcome back to Neiman Marcus is prepping.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I'm so exc up potential Chapter 11.

[Lauren Sherman]

Bankruptcy fil it was only right that you start off the year. Bill co I was like, well, Marissa has started the year.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean I don't know if I podcast on Friday and we're going to.

[Lauren Sherman]

Really get into this three of you but I did take a break.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Hopefully I bring something to break the.

[Lauren Sherman]

News that CEO Mark Metric, once a guest of the show left the place. Might be interesting to listen to. We have a good game now after everything.

[Marissa Meltzer]

So what great. What were you.

[Lauren Sherman]

I also have sales figures in Monday's issues. What were you up to over the whole. Did you go to anyway usually go somewhere fabulous with people any longer.

[Marissa Meltzer]

But thanks for all the great feedback on travel but a lot of they don't because like you my job do.

[Lauren Sherman]

More stuff like that much travel and I will if you have any let.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Me know mid August.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have a really good feeling about this year despite her let's get going with Marissa.

[Marissa Meltzer]

So book tour and some other, you know, stuff. And so by the time Christmas holidays rolled around, I was very psyched to go to the movies and take a nap. And then I also I had to move out of my apartment for a month because of repairs. So I also just did like a huge like decluttering like is that wow, that flower is expired kind of, you know, thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

You are one to sell clothing on Instagram. What is your experience with that? Do you enjoy doing that? I feel like the thing that would stress me out the thing that would stress me out is the shipping it out to people.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Shipping it out is easy. You just kind of like buckle down and do it one day. I also have I live in a doorman building. So for locals I can just leave it all downstairs and people can kind of pick it up at their leisure. But no, the shipping is easy. Also I love just like a task like that that I can cross off my to do list and just be done with. But I've had good luck. I mean, I think ebay to me has been miserable. People are always trying to get refunds or they buy it and don't pay. The real real I'll use. But you get so little money that it just feels like, oh Great, I got $30 for this one year old Dre's blouse.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And I feel like I have good stuff. And often when I'm getting rid of it, it's either because it doesn't fit anymore. I have a, you know, a notoriously yo yoing weight. So depending on where I am, I'm getting rid of stuff or it's just like my Rachel Comey sweatshirt ears I'm done with. I also like everyone made a lot of pandemic purchases that were like, oh, I guess I'm only wearing pleats for the rest of my life because I'm locked inside and then. Or like associating something with like a time or a relationship or something and just kind of wanting to be done with it. But I like, I have a huge wardrobe, but I also like, I wear all of it, so I keep it to stuff that I. That's in the rotation.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I like clearing the decks. And the funny thing is I do make. I sell stuff that I regret. I just sell to the real real because it's the easiest and the like cleanest and I just feel simple.

[Marissa Meltzer]

But I just bought a beautiful Phoebe Seline shirt on the RealReal about 10 minutes ago. So I am a shopper.

[Lauren Sherman]

Stuff. Yes. But I think I just sold five more things that I think a couple of them I did have emotional connections to, but was just like, this is crazy. I have enough stuff. I have beautiful clothes I don't need and I want to be able to buy new stuff next year. So that, that's like, the next step is like, what. What is the wardrobe gonna look like for 2026 for you?

[Marissa Meltzer]

I think it's gonna be, I think for both. I mean, I have been in Chanel and I, as you know, I'm Virginie's biggest defender, but I'm also very, I think being sort of Becky Malinsky are some of the rare both And Chanel people love Virginie and wore it and look great in it. And I'm excited for the Matthew stuff. My prediction for you is, Matthew, you're going to.

[Lauren Sherman]

Am I going to go? Maybe someone send it to me. I'm not going to. I'm not going to.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I might because you is like one piece. Like you're going to get a jacket or really good blouse or really good pant or something.

[Lauren Sherman]

I hope so. I hope that's in my future.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I feel like a flippy style skirt of his because I'm a real skirt person.

[Lauren Sherman]

I want that plaid jacket and lowrise pencil skirt. And it's $27,000 total. So I don't think that's happening.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, I. I want you to have like a $5,000 range piece, which is still a lot of money, but, you know, you can buy something good. Like, will I get the sugar V shirt? Maybe if I can.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe, maybe The Charvet shirt is very you. I do. The Charve shirt's not me with the chain link. It's more. It's too feminine for me. But I think, look, we're doing this big Paris trip, so I am trying not to buy anything before I get to Europe because we're gonna be there From March through July.

[Brooklyn Adams]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

And I just think I'm gonna want.

[Marissa Meltzer]

The whole sale season. I'm going to introduce you to Margot, my Alia girl who will ruin you for life. She just texted me the private sale items. Fortunately, they're not very me. So, you know, I'm excited not to buy things, but. Yeah, I mean, I'm like you in that I sound like such an asshole about shopping because same. I do all of it in person and I do a large percentage of it, probably like 80% or more in Europe.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. I look like someone said to me the other day, you're. You're such a shopaholic, definitely have a shopping problem. I wouldn't call myself a shopaholic. I really am. Like, don't buy that many things and just buy a couple a year and then I get like sweatshirts and vintage sweatshirts or whatever. But. But it is true that we are very lucky that we go to Europe all the time and everything's cheaper there and it's just. It's a nice way to live.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah. We also know who we are in that. Yes. I think a shopaholic is someone who's buying also stuff for like imagined or other lifestyles or people than they are. Like, everything you and I buy looks like us. It just happens to be that there are a lot of things that I, you know, it might be two of the same Elias sweaters in different colors because, you know, they're both very me and you know, well, I don't have a car, so there you go.

[Lauren Sherman]

I do. I have two. I have two cars, a home. I'm moving to Paris for five months. I have a lot of stuff. I can't be buying shit. But. Yeah, well. And yet. And yet. But it's. It's going to be. I think it's 2026 is going to be a really fun year. That's what I would say. It just feels like.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, I'm excited to see all of the fashion turnover, new designers stuff hitting the stores.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of, what did you think of Dior.com on January 1st or January 2nd where all the Jonathan Anderson stuff dropped?

[Marissa Meltzer]

That was a really big way to say welcome to 2026. That and the people being stranded in Saint Barts. Bless.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wait, I don't know about that.

[Marissa Meltzer]

What happened there is because of the, you know, various issues happening in Latin America with our president. And there were flights that were grounded in many Caribbean countries, including Saint Bart. So many people on fancy like Turks and Caicos and St. Bart's Vacations had flights canceled until, I don't know, maybe like midweek this week or something. There was a co hosted party or something like that. Like it sounds fabulous.

[Lauren Sherman]

Politics aside, did you feel like there were more people in Saint Barts this year? Because I did, yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And I don't know, the Daily Mail had a whole guide to the yachts. I, I do, I, I sort of understand that. And I also don't like, I once in the kind of early height of tulum, I was there for the Christmas and New Year's week and it was just like all New Yorkers. I ran into Emily Weiss on the beach. I saw Carolyn Murphy. It was, it just kind of made me feel kind of icky. Like go on a real vacation.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Have you been to St. Barts?

[Marissa Meltzer]

Shockingly, no, I have not. It's actually, I think I would like it because I'm such a Francophile.

[Lauren Sherman]

But yeah, you would like it. During a different season, Emmy Parsons, our friend Emmy Parsons, maker of great sandals, got married there. Oh, and she got married in the hotel that is now owned by lvmh. That was not when. And the Cheval Blanc, whatever it was, but it wasn't a Cheval Blanc then. Look, it was really fun.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Or even distant acquaintances that are listening to this. I invite you to get married in St. Barts or other beautiful destinations.

[Lauren Sherman]

The reason it's so great is because when you go into the grocery store, it smells like a French grocery store.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, right. And they probably have like the weird cookies and you know, all that just.

[Lauren Sherman]

Smells exactly the same. And that is the, the main reason to go to St. Bart's yeah, yeah. So let's talk Dior. What did you think of the rollout? Did you, did you like anything? Was there anything that you were like, oh, I'd actually buy that. What, what did you admire? What did you think could be improved upon?

[Marissa Meltzer]

I think first off is like it's not for me but like Jonathan Anderson and no one else cares about that. And also I'm always happy when something isn't for me because I don't need more things to spend money on. I buy a lot. I think it's very, I think you call it like product. Like he's a good product designer. Like those belts with the gold Dior sort of like emblem and you know, the Dior logo on so many things. I personally can only foresee the corniest kind of person wearing that in the manner of the Hermes H belt or even like a Loewe or Celine logo belt. Same with like the shoes but I think they'll sell well and they look great on someone like Mia Goth or you know, Louis Gorell. My king looks amazing and all of the men's stuff but you know, no, very few people are Louis Grel or Mia Goth and I think it has a wide market but you know those people are like rock stud Valentino people.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Look like I don't know what's gonna happen. And I, I wrote in my column on Monday there was a lot of price differences in the pre order men's line sheet and what actually went to retail. I think some of the, the materials were changed but the prices were like in some cases slashed in half. Interesting. So yeah, I think it, it's, it's really interesting and that happens sometimes with pre. With line sheets but not usually that much. So it was really a really, it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Was really notable indicates though. Does that mean that it's a shittier fabric?

[Lauren Sherman]

They're a different fabric that costs less.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Material. But also it could mean that, you know, they are looking because a lot of this stuff, it's not really based on raw materials and it is to an extent and then it's marketing. It's that they are really considering and being thoughtful with the pricing. If you look at the, the slingback shoes which are very cute. They're definitely not, not, not for me either. But they're a thousand. A lot of shoes right now are fifteen hundred dollars there. That was done on purpose and I think so smart.

[Marissa Meltzer]

The dumbest, most middle brow shoes now are approaching that amount. So.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Why wouldn't you wear Dior at the very least? Because then you could sell. Resell them. Well, it makes a lot of sense.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. And in one of our slack channels this morning, Liz Goff, who who runs the business side who hopefully will be very excited that I mentioned her name on the podcast. She was like I want the bow bag. And so she is like a pretty traditional dresser and likes trendy stuff and she'll probably get it. It's $4,300.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah. People like that clover bag, the clo.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean I think the bags are cute. I love the shoes.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I think the book.

[Lauren Sherman]

The book totes and the book T shirt. I. I'm good.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

But, but I think look like I thought the David Sims advertising was fabulous.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I really liked it and I. Jonathan Anderson creates a world with who he picks to wear it that is deeply enticing. I totally stuff that looks a little bit 19th century.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. But I like, I like to look at it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

But it's going to be like striped rugby shirts with the bow bags and all.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And I, I wish the rugby shirt was $1,800 instead of $2,400. I think there are little things like that and they'll figure it out. Look, what I said was, is this going to be wildly successful? I really do not know. It. It's a matter of taste and it's a matter of market reaction. But I think the reality of it is when he got that job, the sort of remit was 14 billion euros to get to from like they're probably at nine at this point. At nine or ten. I don't think that that's probably the goal right now. I think they'll get there naturally someday. But I think right now the idea is let's make a profit on stuff that people want relatively en masse.

[Marissa Meltzer]

So I'll be interested in the older customer because Maria Grazia had an older customer that wore it that was very like elegant. And this to me reads very girlish. And so I'll be curious to see if those women carry on, you know, the way that like the Virginie Chanel people like, will they carry on with Mathieu?

[Lauren Sherman]

I think there are two things. One is I agree and I think a lot of those people are going to go to Fendi. But on the other hand, like, when you look at the way these clients actually dress, you think that they want the old lady stuff. The old ladies want the old lady stuff. They actually like the tacky stuff.

[Marissa Meltzer]

So I think they want like two piece sets. That's what. Yeah, everyone is buying that is that.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think these, these little flower, like the white with the little red flowers. I personally, my bet is on the jewelry. The only thing I really want is the lady. The, the costume is 500 bucks for all that daisy stuff. I think it's super cute. Yeah, like, if I was younger, I would totally.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, I would buy someone as like a graduation gift. That would be a good one.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it's like very Romy Mars. Like I could see her kind of.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Like Gucci back when it was a couple steps cheaper. Early daily days. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

The ladybug necklace from the men's is fine.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I don't just have a podcast where I just comment on like prices of your. Yes, just me and just me offering ongoing commentary.

[Lauren Sherman]

If, if the ladybug necklace was costume, I might buy it. I will not, I will not purchase the fine because I.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Can you tell me what is your jewelry direction for 2026? Mine is silver.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. I'm embracing silver. I need to get diamonds.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh I have. Well that's really. That's. That's rooted in rooted the earth.

[Lauren Sherman]

So I. This, this is what I would say.

[Marissa Meltzer]

This is moving to Paris and buying time.

[Lauren Sherman]

Look, here's the thing. I have a really. I don't have a lot of jewelry. I have a ton of silver. You don't. I have a nice watch. No, I have a ton of silver. Mostly Sophie.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Boohai.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have a lot. I collect her jewelry.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Who do you.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have a nice watch and I have a Danielle Sherman gold necklace and gold earrings. That's the only jewelry I own. I need some sort of diamond situation. Are we thinking.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Okay my thing. This is controversial but I don't do lab grown diamonds. Get the.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I'm not. Look, look.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I get estate. I look you know. But I was born and raised wearing estate jewelry.

[Lauren Sherman]

I love it but I love estate jewelry. Also my ring, my wedding and engagement or estate. I. I think look like Leander Medine is making very cool lab grown diamonds.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh with.

[Lauren Sherman]

And she's a good with. With Yael.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Leandra's a good friend of mine. Like maybe I'll get something from her for a discount, but I don't know.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I was know what the discount's going to be.

[Lauren Sherman]

Look, if she makes something that's amazing, I'll. I'll that for me it will be amazing. But for me I would buy it but no, I want.

[Marissa Meltzer]

You want like a tennis bracelet, a tennis neck or a necklace or.

[Lauren Sherman]

Or a bracelet or a pair of earrings or something. I'm getting diamonds this year. Like that's. I don't know in what capacity, but they will be mine. I have a lot like they just.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Go diamonds that you can still get for like fairly cheap if it's not like Van Cleef or Cartier or something.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I don't want to. I don't want anything crazy. I just want some sort of diamond piece.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I don't name his last words. I don't want anything crazy. I just want a Riviera.

[Lauren Sherman]

But. Yeah, exactly. But I just think like this is what I need to add to my wardrobe. I'm not a big jewelry person and I know I. I love that for you.

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[Lauren Sherman]

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[Lauren Sherman]

The other thing that I feel like more people are going to have in their wardrobe this year is fur, which Kate Young.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I'm a big fur person.

[Lauren Sherman]

I am. I am not a big fur person, but I am pro everyone doing what they want. And I linked.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Are you not a big fur person ideologically or. I don't live in New York.

[Lauren Sherman]

Clearly don't care. Clearly don't care. I don't. This is not a political podcast, but let's just be, let's just be reasonable about these things. Everything is anytime you buy anything, you are making an impact. So if you think that the purchase you're making is better than someone else's purchase, you are full of shit. So, like do what you want and have the morals and the like ethics that you have. But like just know that whatever you're buying, if you're buying stuff, you are not perfect. So I don't judge anybody to do anything. It's more that I used to have the Eve Solomon army jacket. Oh yeah. That I love. Yeah. Who didn't? And I paid for mine. Whereas most people. It was gifted anyway. Yeah. They gifted them like crazy. And the. Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

But one of the pieces of clothing in my closet that's the oldest is like a 15 year old that's like in rotation as a 15 year old rabbit fur opening ceremony jacket.

[Lauren Sherman]

Amazing.

[Marissa Meltzer]

That's great. That I still wear. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Aurora James did a wrote a piece over the break about fur because the CFDA where she is the, I believe, the vice president, she's a leader there and on the board they voted to like ban fur at Fashion Week and there was A lot of stuff coming out. And she basically said, look, like there is, there's a lot of stuff that you and I really don't have have the privilege to talk about fur in black culture. And Terry Akins actually also emailed me about this. Like, the role of fur in black culture and.

[Marissa Meltzer]

You mean is sort of a signifier of success.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. But it's just like a, like, I'll just quote Aurora. There is a very real history of fur being one of the earliest ways black women we're able to acquire and signal wealth. The New York Times has written about this. It's an important part of the conversation. And also she says, she talks about, like, she believes like there's factory farmed fur is not okay, but there are other kinds of fur. And she just said, like, it's a more nuanced conversation than just saying no fur or what have you. And I think, like, it's just so interesting to me, the cycle of no fur, fur, no fur, fur. And it goes in and out, in and out, in and out. And. And I just think this year is gonna be a year of. I think we're all trying to live a little more in the gray area. We've been living in a very polarized world where it's either black and white, right or wrong. And. And I don't think we can live like that anymore. And everyone's sort of realizing that. Yeah, I mean, I think fur is a good example.

[Marissa Meltzer]

We've realized that certain, you know, anti fur places have their own sort of agenda. And look, I think a lot of people eat meat. A lot of people wear leather. I am much more sympathetic to cows, which I love, and yet still wear leather and eat meat. I don't, I'm gonna be honest, I don't care about Minx. I just, I just, I mean, you know, like, give me an ocelot, give me an air ma. Ermine. I don't know what they're even called, like, even a fox. There's a lot of them, like in London. They're everywhere.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know what a real concept would be?

[Marissa Meltzer]

What?

[Lauren Sherman]

The new first lady of New York City wearing a fur. Do you think that'll happen?

[Marissa Meltzer]

Not with the current one, no. She's not wearing fur. She already got taken to task for wearing, what, $625 boots, which I'm laughing at because I thought, wow, that's a great deal for boots. And then I saw that people, the discourse was about how expensive they were.

[Lauren Sherman]

What do you think about her? Rama Duaji? That's how you pronounce it. Correct. I'm not. I'm not in. I'm not. Listening to me.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She is a very specific type of sort of archetype of New York City girl who is. Who's. I would say, who wears boots everywhere all the time. I think she wore boots at her wedding. She wore boots to. It's a certain. Like, I am not like the other girls a little bit, or I am with the other girls or something. Like, it's a real kind of, like, feminist, you know, young, millennial, Gen Z kind of look. She makes me feel old, both at how young, that she got married and that she's first lady and potentially about 20 years younger than me. I'm excited for her. I'm excited for a whole different kind of woman in sort of that situation.

[Lauren Sherman]

I.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I don't envy her with how everything that she wears is gonna be, you know, so deeply picked apart, more so probably than her husband. I don't. I don't like her aesthetic, and personally. And would probably steer it in a little bit less of a Brooklyn direction. I think I would. But I. I'm deeply not her. And she seems very confident and happy and how she dresses. And it's not about what I. Marissa Meltzer, resident of the Upper east side with gray hair who, like, writes about French people, wants for her. Do you know what I mean? Even though I do live near Gracie Mansion.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Look, like, I really like the way she looks. I like the way she looks.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I just. It's. I. I would like a different. It's a little cliche Brooklyn girl to me.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. Yes. That is. What I think is interesting is this is going to be a real fun thing for a lot of the indie European brands. Especially, like, she's wearing Renaissance. Renaissance, obviously, because the designer is Palestinian.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. That's cool. But I think. I think, like, when you look at politics in the US versus, like, we all know, like, you talk to anyone. Anyone in New York City about Mom Donnie, who's over the age of 40, and they're basically like, I'm a Democrat, but I hate him. Like, it's just. And whatever. I'm not involved. I don't. I didn't know New York City. I have no opinion about this. But. But I would say that in Europe, where, like, these conversations, again, talking about nuance, are a little more nuanced. Yeah, they're all into this because they're all, like. All they see is this person. It's almost like the opposite of Trump, and they just See this, like, where they all see. They think Trump is a businessman and so, like, they're not as afraid of him.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Right.

[Lauren Sherman]

They don't.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And they see that she's an artist. I would like to see her in like, I feel like she will wear something like puppets and puppets or.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yes, she will. Doesn't exist anymore, but yes.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, they don't. Sorry. This is how it acts.

[Lauren Sherman]

I hope. I hope not.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I could see her wearing, like, Chipova. I would like to see her in like a. Maybe some of the moodier Dries pieces. I would like to see her in kind of like a Carolyn Bassette does Yoji moment. I would like to take her a little bit higher and also go a little bit lower. Like, I'd like to see her in tailored sort of like Ben Davis or like pants or workwear. Pants with like a really good sweater. But she has her thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And I think if she had stuck with Bailey Moon, then that would have been the direction. But she went with Gabrielle Kharifa Johnson, who is fashion and is like a cool girl and she's going to put her in cool girl brands. So it's interesting. And I, I mean, look, she's gorgeous.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She has a great body that probably looks good in everything. She's young. She definitely has taste and opinions. So it's exciting. There's a reason why I'm not a stylist, because I would literally everyone. I'd be like, what about a collarless black Chanel jacket?

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, speaking of. Let's talk. Speaking of stylists, let's talk about this weekend's celebrity red carpets because there was the Critics Choice Awards and then there was also like the Palm Springs. Some festival that has suddenly become very big and caring sponsored it. And like, everyone was there.

[Marissa Meltzer]

International Film Festival. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Thank you.

[Marissa Meltzer]

It's like a first kind of big stop. It's the way there's like a Santa Barbara Film festival or awards or something that's right before the Oscars that everyone goes to as part of their. Their rounds.

[Lauren Sherman]

So how happy were you? Are you. Are you with the transformation of Jessie Buckley into Marissa Meltzer clothes by Danielle Goldberg.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean, I really hamnet really worked on me. I sobbed. I've been a fan of hers for a long time, so I love that now we share the same wardrobe.

[Lauren Sherman]

Good.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And I think she's so cool. I love her. I'm rooting for her in every way. What else?

[Lauren Sherman]

I.

[Marissa Meltzer]

What did you think about? I mean, this is critics choice, but what did you think about Timmy and Kylie, I love. I'm sorry. Timmy and his partner of three years, his foundation, he could do not do it without her.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looked pretty. Whatever. I'm like over criticizing her and not understanding how someone would like can't see what's underneath. Which is not that but, but.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And we should talk about her Elizabeth Curly Versace thing. She looks pretty. I would like to. I think she. I would like to see her in some of the new Balenciaga. Like I'd like to see her elegant eleganza it up.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, you know, you're, you're overthinking it. That is, that is of course, again.

[Marissa Meltzer]

This is why I'm not a stylist. This is why I'm a dreamer.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let's talk about him because he wore Givenchy Men's. I loved it. I loved it. Double bread. It was a little bit like Dick Tracy costume. I don't care. And I'm not like into him.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, I'm into him. You know, I've been.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm not like I'm into him. I'm a fan of his, but I'm not like he's not like a person even if I was 25 years old that I would like have a crush on. I don't have like, that's not my.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I want to be him and embody him and have the like.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Charisma and luck and talent that he has.

[Lauren Sherman]

I feel similar. I feel similarly. But I think he looked great and I love that so much. I love when he wears Heider Ackerman too. That's a thing.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I love his like Heider. He looks so beautiful in that stuff. That, that is my soft spot and I'd love to see him in some of those Tom Ford suits. But yeah, I think he looked cool. It kind of nods to Marty supreme in that, you know, Dick Tracy sort of thing. I, I see fashion in general for both men and women going in kind of a 50s direction or it has been. And I'm. I do really love that silhouette.

[Lauren Sherman]

So same.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I'm into it. I think that that look is really flattering on men also who are bigger than he is. Like, you know, if you have a dad bod, you look really hot in those sorts of 50 silhouettes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Double breasted suit looks good.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I grew up with a father that.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Wore suit every day and he wore double breasted. More the like Armani 80s. But he wore almost exclusively double breasted and I adore them.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I'm excited for like a 50 circle skirt. I tried on a Ralph Rui skirt at Scout the other day, and I didn't buy it. And now I'm like, I might go back and get it. It's a little creepy cream little 50s skirt. And I was like, what will I wear it with? But what would I wear it with? I don't know.

[Marissa Meltzer]

A little sweater.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it's just like, is that me? Like, I was like, can I wear with a gray T shirt?

[Marissa Meltzer]

I was gonna say. Or like, a little, like, cashmere wool or silk T shirt maybe?

[Lauren Sherman]

I might go back. I'm gonna go back and see if they have it. So I, I, I'm.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I'm wearing a black circle skirt with a, I believe, a costume of a sailor's.

[Lauren Sherman]

Perfect. Perfect. You're fancier than me. But Jessie Buckley at the Palm Springs wore Dries Van. No. And I thought it looked quite good and was very. I reminded me of you.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

The, the one I want to talk to you is about which I have loved Givenchy red carpet. But Renata. Yeah. Who I am. Like, I adore her. I also.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Sentimental Value was really one of my.

[Lauren Sherman]

I loved it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Favorite movies of the year. So moving. It's so beautifully done. I've been a fan of that director since his first movie, which everyone should go see. But yeah, he. She. She looked great. But also, she.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, look, look.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She can make anything look great. She has a crazy body. She has a beautiful face.

[Lauren Sherman]

This white Givenchy that is. Is a Runway piece. They should have lined it. I'm sorry. Like, she has an amazing body. It's not about her body. I. If she was naked, I'd be happy with it. If it looked good. This dress, it should have been lined on the right. I assure you.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I think lined if it was a color. To me, the saving grace was that it wasn't lined because it was white. And otherwise, I think it would have just looked like a wedding dress.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think they should have just made something for her. Or not that dress.

[Marissa Meltzer]

That dress in black, unlined, or like, a light lining would have been, I think, really beautiful.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it's just like. I don't know. I'm just, like, looking at the stupid underwear. Like, that's why when you look at this dress, it's Givenchy. She wore it to the. Whatever. Caring. Cadillac. Palm Springs International.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Get it right. Palm Springs International Film Festival. See if they invite you next year. Not at this rate.

[Lauren Sherman]

Never. Never. I would like to go to Cannes with caring. I'm gonna just, like, request that.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's gonna be in your.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Let's put this in together.

[Lauren Sherman]

We would love to go all me Sean.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I want to go with caring. I would absolutely love to go.

[Lauren Sherman]

But like it's like looks like she has on. What are those like those seamless under. It just looks. I just think they should have put a. They should have. That is my one, my one thing with that dress. I also want to say I think that Rose Byrne has looked amazing the whole time. She's not wearing anything revolutionary. She's wearing a lot of Celine. Kate, youngster stylist. I think she's looked awesome and I've really enjoyed her looks for the whole run. And I'm never gonna see that movie because it's about being a mother of a young child. But I hear she's awesome in it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I know. I haven't watched it. It looks too stressful for me.

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[Lauren Sherman]

Greasy pizza?

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[Lauren Sherman]

Speaking of stressful movies, though, I do want to talk a little bit about fashion in Sentimental value and also in Marty Supreme.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, great.

[Lauren Sherman]

Which. Okay. Did you like it?

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yes, yes, of course I loved it. It was.

[Lauren Sherman]

I.

[Marissa Meltzer]

It was a stressful viewing experience, but I loved it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Here's the thing about the Safdie movies. I. I don't like stressful movies, but I don't mind their stre the kind of stress that they create. I find it exhilarating because I feel very.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Because it's not the kind of stuff that you'll get up to.

[Lauren Sherman]

But. But yes and no. So I would say that I like relate To Marty Supreme.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Wait, what I say, don't you. No, tell me more.

[Lauren Sherman]

I, I will, I will do anything in my power to get what I want.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Really?

[Lauren Sherman]

So, like, I wouldn't do anything illegal and I wouldn't do anything like, destructive. But I, but I think that is.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Part of the Marty supreme ethos is if you really will do anything in your power, that's going to include.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it's all relative, right? Like, what is destructive? What is destructive? Moving your whole family to Paris, that's a little destructive. And also amazing Paris.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And also we need, you know, more bilingual children. So.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes, but the, but the point being, I feel a connection to those movies and I also enjoy the fact that when I go to the movie theater and I, and watching them, I never fall asleep. So I fell asleep during the Gladiator movie I did. I would never fall asleep during a Safdie movie. And that, or maybe it's just this Safdie. I don't know. It seems like this one is the one who does this sort of energy. I just, maybe the thing is that the energy matches my energy internally. You would never know it, but I love these movies.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, I'm very low energy internally. I would say my, I would say my energy is actually way more sentimental value internally where it's like low level, depressed, emo, anxious, but in kind of like a low key way.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes, I am very internally, very, a lot going on, I would say. So. I really enjoy these movies. Anyway, I loved, I, I mean, I love Miyako. I love the fashion in, in this one.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And I, I mean, I'll call her Miyako even though we don't know each other by her first name. But like, yeah, I, I love what she did for Bonjour Triste. She's just a brilliant costume designer. And I mean, I took a screenshot actually of the shirt that Gwyneth Paltrow's character is wearing in London, where she's smoking elegantly at the table and it's a yellow organza shirt with big cuffs because I thought maybe I'll try to get it made someday. Like, that shirt is very me. I, yeah, I loved it. I, I, Everyone looked really good. Shout out to Nomi Fry. Not sure she listens this.

[Lauren Sherman]

The red lip.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She looked incredible. I kind of like, is it bad if I think that she should just dress like, like a 50s office lady all the time? She looked incredible.

[Lauren Sherman]

She also looked great at the premiere in Rachel Comey. She did.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She looked really cool.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was glad they put her in the red lip. My friend Sarah Miller, who you may know, got the Gwyneth nails done. She did.

[Marissa Meltzer]

It was just talking to my friend Glynis. We were seeing each other, I think the day after she saw it, we went to Vaudor for New Year's lunch. New Year's Eve lunch. I know, it's perfect.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, fabulous.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I know, it's fabulous. Our favorite restaurant. I think the last time I was there, I saw you, actually. But she wanted to get the Gwyneth manicure, too, so that Gwyneth manicure is definitely a thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

I thought it was. Oh, I just loved it. And I love the way it look and looked and all the, like, shades of blue. And I. I just. It was. Ugh, it was so good. I don't.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean, I want someone to make out with me in Central Park. That was filmed right near where I live. Like, why isn't anyone.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure it's with.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Me on the ground in Central park, like, while I'm wearing a cape and chandelier.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God. This. This. This podcast event definitely went off brand. For Puck, maybe.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Look, I'm talking about the fashion moment.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not off brand for us, so it's. It's okay.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Look, I'm just casually saying things that could be fun to happen in 20.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. I told you. I think this is gonna be a great year for us.

[Marissa Meltzer]

The world is our oyster until, you know, the world ends or whatever. But that's what you do when the world is ending. You. You know, you.

[Lauren Sherman]

You have a great time.

[Marissa Meltzer]

You wear chandelier earrings and capes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes, yes. So I. I thought, obviously, all then. All the little details in the way every single person on that movie was dressed was. It was so great. The other fashion movie that is. That I thought was really interesting is Sentimental Value, which I saw the other night. And I have to say I saw. I've only seen Worst Person in the World and.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, you gotta watch Reprise. Reprise is incredible.

[Lauren Sherman]

Watch it. I did not like the ending of Worst Person in the World, but I am obsessed with this woman. Like, I just think she's the best actress of her gen. Like, I just think credible. She's so good.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She's also in Presumed Innocent. Did you see that?

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, of course I saw.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I thought she was a little miscast, if I'm being honest, but she just.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wasn'T in it enough. There was a lot of wrong. There was a lot of right with that show. Right? Yeah, a lot of right.

[Marissa Meltzer]

My dad actually, Fun fact, tutored Scott Turro, author of Presumed Innocent in law school.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wow. Amazing. I also love the movie. It was. I saw that way too young.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Another fun fact. Greta Scotchy from that movie.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God. Yes.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I believe. To her cousin.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who's her cousin? Vincent d'. Onofrio. No, like, are they still married?

[Marissa Meltzer]

No, just another. No, an Italian guy.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, wow. Oh, interest. Used to be married to Vincent d'. Onofrio. Yeah. That's.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah, that's a hot marriage.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I would let Vincent d' Onofrio ruin me. He's so hot to me. You know who's actually really Mike Heartthrob of Marty Supreme.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Is Emery Cohen, who played. What's her name? Otessa Azion.

[Lauren Sherman]

I knew you were gonna say husband. I knew you were gonna say that. All yours. All yours.

[Marissa Meltzer]

That's like a meaty guy who looks like he could be a butcher in the 50s.

[Lauren Sherman]

Any. Anyway, in sentimental value. The whole movie. I keep thinking. So you know that I. We went on vacation to Oslo and I was like, deeply offended by Oslo as a place to go on vacation.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, really? It's the only country in Scandinavia I haven't been to.

[Lauren Sherman]

Outside. There's a great museum outside. I think if you go in the nature in Norway, it's great. Oslo has no culture. It's not worth going to. Oh, interesting. And I was very affected.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Art galleries is it just all like nouveau riche, like oil money?

[Lauren Sherman]

There's no. They don't have any taste. I don't. I. Yes. I looked it up. I tried to figure out why there's no taste. And I did. I did all this research when I was there because it was. I was very upset death.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Like we.

[Lauren Sherman]

We could have gone to Copenhagen and enjoyed our life for.

[Marissa Meltzer]

For.

[Lauren Sherman]

And we were.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Do you think that Whedon has taste? I think Swedish people have great taste.

[Lauren Sherman]

Swedish people have good taste. I've been to many places.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Copenhagen.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, yeah. Been to Stockholm. I've been to Gothenburg. All those places. Yes. It. It's. And we just assumed it would be like that. So we were. And. And I think Copenhagen is the most sort of global. But. But I. There are many. Yes. Sweden, I think in Norway, they're. They had the museum outside of the Blah, blah, blah. I just was like, there isn't anywhere cool to go eat. There aren't like good shops. There are a couple things. There's like Pearl Octopussy has a shop there. The jewelry line, like that kind of thing. But generally I was very disappointed. Anyway, the interesting thing, there is a scene in that movie where the Other sister and the dad are in. Speaking of Stellan's guards Guard War Dior. To one of. I think to the Palm Springs thing. He looked really hot.

[Marissa Meltzer]

He looked great.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, he looked really hot.

[Marissa Meltzer]

You know what I ride for the whole scars.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sarsgar Same, obviously. And he wore. He wore Valentino, the younger one this weekend. And he also. He.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean, I mean that whole family. Flawless.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes, flawless. Even Bill. So. But anyway, back to this place. There is. There's a scene with. With him and the other sister and they're playing. There's a kid playing in this like courtyard. We. Fritz played in that courtyard. So I was very excited, very interested in this movie. So two things. One is that Elle Fanning's wardrobe was provided by Anthony Vaccarello for Saint Laurent. Another example of that.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Getting into movies. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Which I thought was interesting because I love Elle Fanning. I love her body. I think it's like so natural looking and she's so beautiful.

[Marissa Meltzer]

She's also incredible in that movie. It's such a hard part to get right.

[Lauren Sherman]

So hard. And I thought she wore like a lot of high waisted jeans and belts and that her stuff. And my husband made the joke that Renat. Is it Renata. I guess Renata's wardrobe provided by Arquette. Because it was so.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And I was like, wait, are you serious? He's like, no, no, it's a little Arquette.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Like a little Philippa K. Like those kinds of.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, Philippa K. Yes. But I, I thought that like they used fashion in that movie. In a movie that it doesn't really matter. Really smartly. And. And like the stuff that Elle was wearing. I don't know if they were at a film festival. When she meets Stellan stars at the.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Doville, which is a real film festival.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wow, that's. That sounds nice. But I just thought like, was there any other movies that you saw that you felt like the fashion was really notable and important in the last couple of months? Like obviously sinners and all these things are important.

[Marissa Meltzer]

But you know what? I saw Song Sung Blue over the weekend.

[Lauren Sherman]

How was it?

[Marissa Meltzer]

It worked on me. I mean, it was, you know, it's a. It's.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think Amanda Dobbins liked it. I haven't heard her.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I think she did. Yeah, it's, you know, it's a melodrama. I am not a person with a great deal of knowledge of the Midwest, let alone Milwaukee, but I do think that it got that kind of like. I think it's supposed to be sort of 1991, 1992 in Milwaukee. But it's a little bit different from maybe what they were wearing in Sassy magazine or New York or LA. It's still a little bit 80s. Like, the hair is still a little bit big.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

And, you know, it's like mock neck turtleneck T shirts. Like, I just thought that they got the kind of, like, mom and teen style really well, and it didn't. It kind of looked like how people dressed. And I appreciated that because I think there is maybe a temptation to make it too over. It was like, just bongo enough. Bongo jeans, just, you know, wet seal enough.

[Lauren Sherman]

One more question. Okay. I'm sure you've been following all this stuff with Saks Fifth Avenue and. And Bergdorf and Neiman Marcus. I'm not going to ask you to tell me what's going to happen. Everyone can just find that out online. She. But, like, what do you like, do you shop at. Other than do you shop Bergdorf only? Do you even shop?

[Marissa Meltzer]

You're already assuming I shop at Bergdorf only. And you're right. I pretty much do. I don't. I have to say I am epileptic. And the lighting at Bergdorf makes me feel like I'm gonna have a seizure. There's something very weird about it that. That makes me feel weird. So I have to show up with my sunglasses on and do, like, one section at a time. It's embarrassing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean, I love Neiman Marcus. I grew up going to the one in San Francisco all the time. I just want better for department stores in America. I want a shopping experience that's like Bon Marche in Paris or something.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's why Bernard Arnaud needs to buy Bergdorf.

[Marissa Meltzer]

It is. And I'm waiting.

[Lauren Sherman]

Mr. Arnault, please buy Bergdorf Goodman.

[Marissa Meltzer]

This is an appeal.

[Lauren Sherman]

Mr. Arnault, please. Please, Goodman. I know you want it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, no.

[Lauren Sherman]

I know you. I know you want that fourth corner.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

He owns the other three corners. I know he wants it. He doesn't. He could rent it. He can do it. Whatever. I want him to own it. This is the one thing. Like, you talk about LVMH ruining brands. This is the one thing. I know he won't ruin it.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

I want him. I want him to own it. I beg him to get in and do this for us because we need a nice department store. Like, I like Bergdorf. I think it's good, but it could be better. Le Bon Marche is so good. The Samaritan, they messed up.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Like, why is there no Example of La Grande Piserie in New York for a department store.

[Lauren Sherman]

Food halls don't work in America. They've tried.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I know, but, like, I don't accept that. Italy.

[Lauren Sherman]

I understand.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Italy works.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you. Do you shop there?

[Marissa Meltzer]

I went to Italy today.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay. I do.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I don't.

[Lauren Sherman]

We. It's on the west side here. I don't think we'll shop there more.

[Marissa Meltzer]

They're everywhere. Also, I don't like to cook.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I mean, and I'm living in a.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Hotel for a month, so.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. You know, so look, I think it's. Everything's going to be okay in that these places are not going to go away forever. But you're completely right. And what I wrote on Monday is they just need to. People need to figure out how to make a store where you discover interesting things, but is also useful. So you have tights and you also have some random dress from some brand you never heard of. That's all I want. And there needs to be also far, far fewer of them.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I love that Bon Marche. I can get an overview. And if there's. If, like, the Margiela selection is really good for me, that might not be a boutique I go to every time I'm in Europe, but that means I'm gonna go to the boutique that time. Or I can say, this is not a Jill Sanders stop for me this time. And, like, that's perfect. Same for, like, underwear shopping.

[Lauren Sherman]

And some of this is just European nuance. But what the reality of the matter is, there are way too many of these stores. This model has not worked since the 1980s closed down. A bunch of the stores have one or two really great department stores in every city or five in New York or whatever. And because the thing is, no one goes. I don't. I don't go to the department store. There's a huge Phoebe Filo rack at Neiman Marcus right now. I went to shopping.

[Marissa Meltzer]

The one in Beverly Hills.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And I didn't stop because I was like, you know what? I don't want to deal with this. I got. It's not enough for me. I'm gonna go to Brentwood Country Mart instead and go to Capital.

[Marissa Meltzer]

So, like, okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was meeting Claire Maze. Yeah.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Well, so that.

[Lauren Sherman]

That was.

[Marissa Meltzer]

I mean, I want to go to Brentwood Country Mart every day. I wish they would open one and, you know, they could open like a Madison Country Mart or something.

[Lauren Sherman]

But I think, like, the hope is that this is going to reset things for real. It probably won't, because people are greedy but let's hope that it does. And let's hope that, you know, not all these stores are open in every single city anymore, that Bergdorf is owned by Mr. Arnault, that, you know, all these things happen. But I think in the end, this is. The industry is panicking because people are gonna lose millions of dollars. But in the end, this is better for everybody. And I am. I'll be covering it very closely for the next. And Bill Cohen, Mike, my colleague at Puck, who's an expert on the kind of finance side of this, we're going to talk on Friday about this. If everybody's. That's because there will be more developments by Friday. But anyway, it's like, it's going to be okay. I do want better shopping. And what I said on Monday was like, let's have more armories. Let's have more Hirschleifers. Like, these are the kind of people who. Who have, you know, you. You can have a really nice business, and if it doesn't do well for a season because you bought poorly, you're fine, because next season it'll be okay. But they only have one store. When you start to have, like, 15 the Webster 7 stores, it never works out. It never works out. So don't try to expand beyond beyond. Don't get an outside investor. Just do your thing and, like, have her slifers with the Chanel in boutique. You make $120 million or $200 million a year, and you're good. Like, that's what a store should be in this era. So I hope that they kind of move back to that. And it's just like, this national crisis is over. I mean, there's just so much going on in this world that we're not even talking about, because this isn't a political podcast. But, you know, the world is crazy right now, and I hope that what comes out of it is progressive and fun.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Well, that's why you're going to therapy and moving to Paris.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Marissa, this is so fun. I'll talk to you sooner, but I can't wait to see you in February.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Oh, I'm so excited. I miss what? Oh, it's been since my Christmas party. You look beautiful.

[Lauren Sherman]

Thank you. I. I felt beautiful and as did you. Everyone look great. It was so fun. I'm so glad I stayed.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Well, I'm so glad you put the.

[Lauren Sherman]

Idea in my head.

[Marissa Meltzer]

Yeah. Next year you'll come again.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can't wait. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and Edited by Molly Nugent Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck Co Founder John Kelly, executive Editor Ben Landy and director of Editorial Operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.

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