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Narrator
For four decades, Dame Sonia Boyce Ra has cultivated a multidisciplinary practice that explores play, language and pattern while questioning the nature of representation and authorship. For her first exhibition with Hauser and Wirth, Improvise with what we have, she will present two new films inspired by groundbreaking artists who centered black culture. In addition to the two films, Boyce has taken still images from her film and arranged them into kaleidoscopic patterns 2 to create wallpaper installations within the exhibition space, a touchstone of her practice carrying social, political and ethereal power. Visit hauserworth.com for more information and visit Improvise with what we have at 542 West 22nd Street, New York now through October 18th.
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Lauren Sherman
Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line Sheet and today with me on the show is writer and stylist Becky Malinsky. We're here talking about the Best of Paris Fashion Week. From Saint Laurent to Chanel, Happy Tuesday everyone. I am back in Los Angeles. I have been up since 4:30 something love jet lag. If I could wake up at 5am every single day and go to bed at 9, that would be my ideal. Doesn't always work out sometimes. This week on Line Sheet you'll find my takeaways from the Paris shows, a couple little scoopy things, some retail stuff, some investor stuff, my ranking of my top five favorite debuts that I got some really passionate feedback about look, it's all subjective, people. I'm not saying this. That was literally the shows that I think, you know, achieved what they're meant to achieve. But looking at the photos that we chose, they were also shows that I mostly liked. So it is what it is. But anyway, don't get too upset. Rankings, really, they really ruffle people's feathers. Today in Line sheet, Sarah Shapiro. Little break from big luxury to talk about Bandit, that running brand out of New York that has sort of risen up with the rise of run clubs as pickup joints. So interesting stuff. And Rachel Strugas will be back tomorrow. I hope you enjoy this conversation with Becky. And we both had a great time in Paris, so it's nice to catch up as we've now landed Becky Malinsky. Welcome back to Fashion People.
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Becky Malinsky
Thank you for having me.
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Lauren Sherman
You landed in New York minutes ago. I landed hours ago in Los Angeles. We were both in Paris. We did not spend as much time together as we normally do on these trips.
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Becky Malinsky
I know. You know what? Eva Chen was on my flight home, and I was like, it was kind of a weird season. She said, yeah, it felt very isolating. And I said, I felt the exact same thing. I was just all over the place, kind of by myself.
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Lauren Sherman
I know. It's also that I. You didn't come to Milan, where we usually have every single meal together. So next season. But we did. We did get to hang out. I'm going to have a special guest on Friday to talk about Fashion Month, so I don't want to go too much. Like you can get some air, some frustrations or things. You wanted to get off your chest about Milan after listening to Jacob and I discuss it. But I wanted to talk to you mostly about Paris Fashion Week, which just ended today. Still happening today. But last night was sort of the finale with the big Chanel matu Blaisey. New season, new designer, new everything. Fashion is back, baby. So. But it started with Saint Laurent on Monday night and sort of went up to Chanel the next Monday. What was your overall impressions of the week? You kind of got there midweek. How did you feel about the energy? Because this isolating thing, it did feel. I mean, Fashion Week always feels kind of isolating, but it was just like kind of. It was really intense and crazy and there was so much going on. But what was your experience?
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Becky Malinsky
I think so. I think there was a lot of pressure in sort of every aspect of the participants of Fashion Week, whether that's the media, whether it's the buyers, whether it's all of these debuts, I just felt there was a lot of nervous energy in the room in a lot of places. But I will say, the energy leaving Chanel last night was so electric. Everyone was so happy, so excited. Singing. So it ended on such a high note that I can barely even remember all of the annoyances.
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Lauren Sherman
You know, they were singing Paula Cole, I Don't wanna Wait. That was amazing because that was part of the soundtrack, as was rhythm as a dancer, which I did as a choreography and dance class in second grade.
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Becky Malinsky
It's very cute. This designer is exactly our age.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, this is the thing about all these designers, and I think Jake and I maybe talked about this last week, but, you know, he's younger than us, so it doesn't count as much for him. Everyone's between 80 and 84, so it's just like it's our life.
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Becky Malinsky
Yes.
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Lauren Sherman
Being back to us and it. Oh, it was so good. It was so. I. It made me so happy. But yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
Yeah, I loved all of the 80s References all season long.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes.
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Becky Malinsky
Like, every time I saw an 80s reference, I was really happy.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
I felt that way at, at Chloe. I felt that way at Valentino. I felt that way at even Celine a little bit. I don't know. I just loved it all.
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Lauren Sherman
So let's go through this. Your sort of highlights of Paris. Let's start with the row.
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Becky Malinsky
Yes. I loved the row. It was so elegant. I mean, if you were with me at all this week, this is a broken record. But for everyone else listening, I'm really fed up with the styling of half outfits of either no top or no bottom. To me.
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Lauren Sherman
Now, can you describe this? Can you describe what that means?
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Becky Malinsky
Yeah. So, you know, like, for a long time now, we've been seeing, seeing hot pants as a bottom, you know, like half of the looks, or we're seeing like no top and some sort of styling trick to make up for it. And to me, at this point, I'm desperate to see clothes. You know, I work with clients who are desperate to buy clothes. So I just, I feel like the challenge now is to complete an entire outfit. Like, can you make these clothes look good with pants with the top without relying on a perfect six foot body for half of the look?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
So the row was that, I mean, it was beautiful clothes. It was fully formed ideas, full outfits. Like, there was a lot of 80s reference. There was this velvet two piece, sort of almost evening sweatsuit that just was so beautiful. There was really like easy turtlenecks with a beautiful skirt. It just felt really really beautiful.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I felt like look too, which I'm looking through WWD right now. The photos, which was like a four button or five button jacket, crop jacket, and a pair of trousers and a really simple, like, wedged a flat that is. I thought, you know, I have like a little Armani blazer that's similar to that. I thought, oh, that's how I'm gonna wear that Armani blazer with pants from the row that I already own. I've been trying to figure out how to wear it, and as usual, like, the styling is actually super simple. But I do think the styling kind of gives you an idea of like, okay, this is how how I wanna look and how I wanna present this year. And it just moves. Because the thing is, we can't all buy new stuff. Every single. You and I both bought some very nice things that we'll discuss later, but we can't. Like, maybe I'll get this jacket in look number two jacket, but probably not. And so. Or a new. I tend to, like, buy a new pair of heels from the row every season or because I need, like, that is my refresh or my update. But yeah, I think it. It looked really elegant. I also. You mentioned Chloe. I really like that too. And I have to say, from my perspective, because I'm really looking at that. I love the first collection. I felt like at retail, it hasn't really resonated in the shoes and bag space in the same way that, like, it's. Alaia has. And we'll get into the greatness of Alaia soon. But I thought. And I just was kind of like, is this gonna work? Because she has done a great job. Shemina has done a great job at creating a real look, and she has a great sense of color, and the Runway is super fun. But I was kind of like, is anyone gonna actually buy this stuff? And this season, she evolved it and it was still the same woman, but with a new attitude. And I thought, oh, okay, she's not gonna just stay in the same place forever. This is gonna evolve. And they will find a bag or a shoe that's a hit and it will take off. I know the clothes are already, I've heard, doing really well at retail, so it's exciting. There was, like, a lot. It's funny, the beginning of the week felt a little down, just challenged. And then by the end of the week, there was just so much optimism. And Celine, I feel like, is the sort of poster child for that right now. It just looks. It looks like full outfits as you were saying, put together by a real person and kind of a reflection of how we all want to dress right now, but obviously in a more elevated way. And I thought it looked fantastic. I was super impressed.
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Becky Malinsky
I agree. I thought this person really understands how we want to dress, how we want to be seen. I felt like sort of the. The theme of the week was slouch. Like this idea of everything feeling like beautiful fabrics, really dressed, but really relaxed. It was the same at Chanel, but they just did it so well at Celine. Like the, like me. I had conversations with multiple people about the men's look of the skinny jeans and the black long sleeve tee with the tie dye arms. Like everyone just mind blown and so simple.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
But all of the little dresses, it's just sort of felt like really easy to just kind of put on and walk.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And I think it's interesting. Michael Ryder, the designer, styled it himself this season. And I think, look, he worked with Brian Malloy who we. Stan, congrats to Brian. Malloy is on the BoF500 this year. Super, super proud. But he worked with Brian last season. This season, he, He's. He clearly has. A lot of these designers end up doing it themselves. I think working with Brian that first season kind of helped him figure it out. As someone who had never been a creative director before or had never been front and center like that before, I'm sure working with a pro like Brian helped him sort of figure it out. But this time it felt like way more confident that he knew exactly what he wanted. My one critique for June was that there were too many look. And I think he realized, okay, yeah, there was too many looks. And this time it was still a real mix. Like those little floral turtleneck minis they didn't really like. The nice thing about this collection was it wasn't just one idea. It was a bunch of ideas. And I think he famously, Michael, when he was the creative director of Polo at Ralph Lauren, they did a big 50th anniversary Central park show. And usually this woman, Buffy, styles Ralph Lauren. I don't know if she still does, but she did for a really long time. And then that show, I remember hearing that Michael styled it and it was like a revelation. The clothes just looked a million times better and more dynamic. And that 50th anniversary show, to me was the turning point for Ralph Lauren, where it became, you know, Ralph. And we should talk about this a bit, is like the center of the fashion industry right now. Everyone is thinking about Ralph Lauren and you can see it in all the little, like, insignias on the polo shirts that all these big designers are showing. Like, it is the sort of main reference point for so many of these designers. And I thought Michael did a good job of sort of taking what he learned there and what he honed there and making it French and cool. And I said it was just ultra chic. I loved it. But on this point of the polo, so I believe Jack and Lazaro, the creative directors of McCullough and Hernandez, the creative directors of Loewe, also wore polo shirts on their Runway. And you went to the polo event. But what do you think? I noticed it. I felt it at Prada. I felt it at. I definitely felt it at Dior men's, less so at the women's. But what as a polo Stan. As a Ralph Stan. What do you. You know, I just started using this word stan, which, like, is. Is about 15 years old now. I refuse. And now I'm like, I guess I'll just use it. Yeah. Anyway, what do you think about. Why do you think it's like, so front and center in fashion culture right now?
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Becky Malinsky
That's a great question. I mean, what's interesting to me about it is that for a long time, like when I was a junior market editor, polo worked really hard to like, kind of remove that identity. Sort of like when I was like a junior market editor and you wanted cable knits or polo shirts for a shoe, they were not available. It. They only really recently sort of leaned back into this Americana.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
And it has proven to work so well. And I did see a reflection of sort of American fashion and this American girl in a lot of the shows. And I do think it's interesting that she's inspiring. Now I also think, you know, Americans are really having their moment as designers. So there's really this look at America. But also, could it be. I don't know, I'm making this up. But, like, these brands are nervous. The economic climate is unstable. I think people really are looking to America and how is that going to change? And like, it's such a big market for so many of these brands. I'm wondering how they're looking to that person and how to service that person. And if that had anything to do with where they're mindset is when they start designing a collection.
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Lauren Sherman
I think that's definitely a huge part of it. Look, the American market and the Chinese. And now there was just a big article about how LVMH has like, turned its focus on Korea because the China market isn't going to bounce back super fast. But look, like, China is big for Ralph Lauren. It's big for amazing. The thing is, and you know, I'm coming back from being in Europe for two weeks. I just said to my husband, it's like, I truly live a completely different life when I'm not in Los Angeles. Like, here, I'm like, I already booked three workout classes. I'm going to the movies. I'm going to see Haim at a Kia Stadium. Whereas there, I'm like, I need my Prada trousers. I definitely need to buy those. But, like, my life is just so different there, and I do spend a good amount of time there. But the point being that, like, people there don't spend money on. They will buy one or two really nice things, but they don't consume the way Americans consume. They just don't. Like, I was talking to a magazine editor there. We were talking about the Row, and he said, all anyone talks about is the Row. But, like, people don't buy it here because they buy, like, one thing from Charvet a year, and then they buy a bunch of vintage, and it's just a different culture. Whereas in America, like, I buy a new pair of shoes from the Row every single season. Like, that's what you do. And so I think you're right. I don't know if it was strategic to hire so many Americans to front these. These houses, but I think it's actually. It's just. It feels really refreshing. Like, by the end of the week, I thought I. I got there, and I went to St Laurent on Monday night, and I thought Saint Laurent was great, and it's really resonating. And you did a great newsletter that I linked to as well that everyone should look at just about, like, the Saint Laurent woman and how what they're selling and also the way they're styling and everything is inspiring for people who'd get dressed every day. But I thought that, like, I just think for people who have a lot of money, who pay full price, there's a lot of really elegant, gorgeous stuff in there that's, like, real fashion with a capital F. But then, you know, the beginning of the week was a little bit, like. I don't know, it was just a little stressy, as you were saying. Like, everybody was just like, ooh. Like, the Dior was interesting and compelling, but, like, wasn't uplifting for sure. And I don't think that's what Jonathan Anderson wanted to do. But then by Sunday, the tides had turned. And I think it started honestly on Look, Heider Ackerman, Tom Ford was amazing, but it wasn't a part of this conversation we're having about this optimism thing. But I would say it started on Saturday morning at Alaia, which, like, could be not people could construe that as not an optimistic collection.
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Becky Malinsky
I think it's also the first half of the week is very spread out. You're kind of seeing like one big show a day, and then by the time you get to the weekend, there's multiple, like big headline shows every day. So a lot of more ideas coming at you consistently. So that might also be part of it.
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Lauren Sherman
But it felt more propulsive.
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Becky Malinsky
Yes.
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Narrator
For four decades, Dame Sonya Boyce, R.A. has cultivated a multidisciplinary practice that explores play, language and pattern while questioning the nature of representation and authorship. For her first exhibition with Hauser and Wirth, Improvise with what we have, she will present two new films inspired by groundbreaking artists who centered black culture. In addition to the two films, Boyce has taken still images from her film and arranged them into kaleidoscopic patterns to create wallpaper installations within the exhibition space, a touchstone of her practice carrying social, political and ethereal power. Visit hauserworth.com for more information and visit Improvise with what we have at 542 West 22nd Street, New York, now through October 18th.
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Lauren Sherman
What's up, guys? It's Candice Dillard Bassett, former Real Housewife of Potomac, and I'm Michael Arseneault, author of the New York Times bestseller I Can't Date Jesus. And this is Undomesticated, the podcast where we aren't just saying the quiet parts out loud. We're putting it all on the kitchen table and inviting you to the function. If you're ready for some bold takes and a little bit of chaos. Welcome to Undomesticated. Follow and listen to Undomesticated, available wherever you get your podcasts. So how did you feel about Alaia?
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Becky Malinsky
Oh, I really liked it. I really liked it. Minus the. The bondage pieces. I'm sorry, I can't. I can't get on board with.
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Lauren Sherman
It's interesting. I didn't find that I. I don't read reviews before I write my reports because I just don't want to. I just don't want to know. Like I asked.
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Becky Malinsky
That's a good idea.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I mean, it's just. There's no point. Like, I don't need. Sometimes I talk to. Like I talked to Vanessa Friedman about Margiela before. I Wrote my Margiela, which helped me. And I. And I talk to a lot of buyers and editors and get their feedback, but I don't tend to read reviews. But I heard from a couple people that there was like, people were offended by the, by the cocooning. And I was. I just found it to be like an experiment with, with clothing. And I wasn't. I wasn't weirded out by that in any way, but I did not find.
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Becky Malinsky
It as offensive as I did. The stitching of the mouth.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, see, I love the stitching of the mouth at Marzella.
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Becky Malinsky
A Handmaid's Tale reference. I could not.
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Lauren Sherman
I like that. I was like, yes. And I, I understand. This is what's happening in our culture. That was to me, this. The. The just for reference people. The mouths that Maison Margiela were stitched open. Like, just like stitched open.
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Becky Malinsky
Like the Margiela label with the four stitches.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I gotta. I mean, I thought that was brilliant. And I was like. And the mouths were agape.
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Becky Malinsky
It was very soft.
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Lauren Sherman
I love that. Yeah, I love that.
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Becky Malinsky
But I will say, like, I. I actually really love Dalia. That is my only critique is those looks where you couldn't use your arms. Because I just sort of think like, we are in a time that we need to be a little bit empathetic with so many people, like in a very. In very precarious situations, in risk of losing rights and just. So the idea of treating a woman to not be able to have arms was very strange. But I do think that I loved, like, I loved so many aspects of that show. It was an uplifting show to me for the most part. I loved the fringe stockings.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
And I actually find them to be extremely, like, I'm not going to say practical, but easy to wear in a way that it can update an outfit really easily. Like, he has some magical gift for accessories that, like you could buy these weird fringe stockings and put them under a little black dress and all of a sudden have this like, mind blowing outfit. It would not be hard for many body types to do.
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Lauren Sherman
So. Can we just talk about the constriction thing one more time? I don't think that he thinks about that.
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Becky Malinsky
Like, I don't either.
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Lauren Sherman
I don't think many men, male designers think about. I don't think they're. They're thinking about. They're just thinking about designing. Like, to me, it's about process for him. And that's why I. It didn't once cross my mind that that was like going to bristle that people were gonna bristle against that. I just thought it was an interesting way of using the body. And I loved the way the, like, pink stirrup pants really, like, pulled the legs up. I loved. I love that.
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Becky Malinsky
Devil's advocate for one second.
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Lauren Sherman
Sure.
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Becky Malinsky
Don't you feel it's a. It's their responsibility to have an awareness of the world that they're designing in?
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Lauren Sherman
No, I actually don't. Like. Like, the thing is, I don't know. I mean, I think it happens no matter what in some cases, but, like, you know, Peter's former design friend or partner or whatever you want to call him, Raf Simmons, is thinking about this stuff constantly when he's designing. Like, you see his thinking in his clothes very clearly. I think Peter's a process person. I don't know if. I don't know if he's like. I don't know if he's. It just. It never crossed my mind. And that may just say more about me than anything else. I was just like, wow, this stuff is so fun to look at. And also, I see a million things that are gonna sell really well in the experimentation. And that's what was so. And in the. In his show notes, which I should say that, like, people really tried to up their game with show notes this season. They tried to talk like human beings. It sounded like many of the designers attempted to write them themselves. Daniel Roseberry's show notes for Schiaparelli were just like a chit chat. It sounded very conversational, and I understood what he was saying. Yeah, I thought they were. They were good. But I liked Peters as well. And he said at the end, like, clothes that'll make you cry. Which, of course, Raf Simmons did cry at the end of the show. God bless him. My God, I love it.
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Becky Malinsky
And I don't think that this reflects negatively on Peter. Like, I think he loved the show. I just sort of meant as an overall concept for all designers. But back to the show, the color was amazing. I love the shapes. There were these weird spring coats that looked like almost like fur, but were string. Like a bunch of string hanging off it. And they. I was like, I know people who will wear that. And it seems crazy, but, like, actually, it's all weirdly easy.
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Lauren Sherman
I love the asymmetrical trench. I love all the asymmetry, the skirts, everything. The colors, the pine green, the bubblegum pink. It was, ah, it was just amazing. And also, I love the Fondacion Cartier. That old. It's no longer there, but where it was forever. It's an incredible, incredible building. It was amazing. And to have it in there. And it was just. It felt really good. Like, 9:30 in the morning on a Saturday. And you're just. Also. I had gone to Victoria Beckham the night before, which love her as a person and think her beauty line is amazing. The show was extremely difficult. I forgot to write about it, but it was very hard and really made me question, like, why is she doing a Runway show? And so to go from that to Aliyah the next morning, it just felt. It felt really magical. And it kicked off the next three days of amazingness, which. What else did we have on? So Margiela we talked about a bit, but we had Hermes where Ms. Zaina Garden Garten was holding her.
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Becky Malinsky
Kelly was so amazing.
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Lauren Sherman
It was so amazing.
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Becky Malinsky
Like, best star sighting.
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Lauren Sherman
This is how you do a celebrity. Front row is very funny because I'm sitting there, I see Nick Kroll and Layla Gohar, and I'm like, okay, if this is. They need. I love both of them. They're cool. If this is the lead, what's the Hermes strategy here? Like? I know they love to have a comedian. They love their food world adjacencies. And then I turn, I sit down at my seat, I look right across, and Ina Garten's there, and so is Julia Louis Dreyfus with her hot husband Brad. And I was like, this is. Who needs to be representing Hermes. Like, cool, interesting people in the center of pop culture who are also rich.
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Becky Malinsky
It was so good.
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Lauren Sherman
It was perfect.
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Becky Malinsky
I actually thought it was a great show, too. It was good, I think, especially for spring. Summer, which I think is challenging for a brand like Hermes because they use so much leather. Yeah, like, that's. Spring is a harder. Is a harder collection to make. And I. I saw lots of things that I loved.
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Lauren Sherman
I liked it too. I miss Jody Barnes styling it, which is. I believe I wrote that. I don't know if it got edited out in the end because it was so long, but I thought Jody Barnes was a really good match for Nadej Bonhi, who's the designer. And I this. I forget who styled it perfectly. Good stylist just was, like, a little looser. And I like it real, like, zipped up and tight and shiny.
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Becky Malinsky
I liked it. I loved, like, the way that the little crop jackets were buckled, but then the shirts were loose and the silk shirts with the kind of harness on top. I don't know. I just. I felt it worked.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, it's more your style and less mine, but I think for me, what Hermes, like, what that Runway needs to do is display the bags and shoes. And I thought the. The previous collections, that they were a little more front and center, so I thought the collection was super nice. But speaking of Joanie Barnes, which I thought, and I think that it really benefited from that. Like, it felt really zipped up and sharp. And yet, again, another optimistic collection. I think, like, people were really rooting for them and wanted it to work, but in the end, like, it definitely exceeded my expectations in terms of what they can achieve as designers, and I really loved it. I'm definitely getting that green jacket.
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Becky Malinsky
Which green jacket? The. The, like, hourglass.
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Lauren Sherman
No, no, no. There's, like, just, like, an hourglass blazer.
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Becky Malinsky
Oh, okay. Yeah, in green. I'm gonna pull it up.
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Lauren Sherman
It's good. That green color is just the color of the season.
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Becky Malinsky
It's good.
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Lauren Sherman
It's really, really good.
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Becky Malinsky
I mean, there was so much color this season. It was. So maybe that's part of why it started to feel really uplifting too. There's so much color, which is so nice.
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Lauren Sherman
Did you go to Sakai?
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Becky Malinsky
I did go to Sakai.
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Lauren Sherman
How was it?
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Becky Malinsky
I thought it was good. There was a couple of these, like, patchwork floral looks that I thought were really nice. I think Sakai is also, like, in the same way as Hermes is also a fall designer because her coats are so good, and it's a great point. All the tweeds are so good. So for me, I thought it was good, but I always look forward to fall more.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I understand.
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Becky Malinsky
But I did, like, I really liked those sort of mixed floral, polka dot moments.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Okay. Should we just talk about what we really want to talk about? Sure.
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Becky Malinsky
I'm ready.
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Lauren Sherman
Did you feel when Chanel, when the first model walked down Matu Blaisey's Runway, were you, like, fashion is not? Because the whole week, all I was thinking was, okay, some great collections. The shit is over. I was like, this is done. I'm going to have to get a new job. Like, there's this industry's consolidated. It's. I still believe that and don't think it's gonna be what it was 10 years ago with the mega brand stuff, but I think the culture's just changed, and it's gonna have a different place in the culture. But.
- [31:44]
Becky Malinsky
But he also mentioned that in his show notes or in his interviews.
- [31:47]
Lauren Sherman
Oh, yeah. That I read. I was blown away, and I was just like, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I'm a Chanel girl now.
- [31:57]
Becky Malinsky
Audible gasps throughout the show from all sides. It was so fantastic. And, yeah, the new shapes, I mean, it was the same thing. The slouch. Everything just felt a bit easier, like a bit younger. You can see the pieces broken down and worn with jeans. You could see the bags. You could see the shoes. Yeah, I don't know. She was. I also, as I already texted you, I said, it's a great time to be a skirt person.
- [32:24]
Lauren Sherman
Well, it's. It's funny because we had this conversation over the summer where I was like, I'm done with skirts because I buy them and then I never buy. Wear them. And then I was talking to Scott Sternberg, and I was like, did you see it? It's so amazing. He's like, you're. It's because you're a skirt person. And I was like, but I'm hot. But I guess I am. You are. You know, it's hard in la.
- [32:46]
Becky Malinsky
Well, I wore yesterday all day until Chanel, which I changed into, like, a proper nighttime outfit. But all day I was wearing my Prada skirt with, like, the ruched waist, and it's like a pastel plaid with a leather jacket. And I was walking around and doing my appointments, and there was no one in skirts. I was like, I feel so out of place. I feel so Italian in this, like, French city of cool girls walking around in their cool jeans. So I was like, maybe this will help change that.
- [33:15]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I think, you know, it made me. I bought a Marie Adam Leonard skirt a couple of seasons ago, and I still haven't worn it. She's amazing. I loved her collection, by the way. It's fabulous. She's really good. She's really come into her own. And instead of trying to, like, be weird, she's just like, I'm gonna make bougie clothes for bougie ladies. And they're really good. I like her a lot.
- [33:37]
Becky Malinsky
And styled by Ray Boxer, another American amazing.
- [33:42]
Lauren Sherman
It was a fabulous show. But I think the interesting thing to me, and I was talking about this with a friend, he used all the elements of Chanel, like, all the house, because Chanel has the best. Like, Dior is good, but you only have 10 years to work with of, like, house codes. Chanel has a lot. Like, they have a lot from the 20s, a lot from the 50s. As someone mentioned, there wasn't even any jersey this time. Like, there's. There. He has. He has all that Jer. Like, he could do a whole jersey collection. Like, the. He didn't quilt the bags. He didn't he took all the sort of ideas about Chanel, and instead of using them as tropes, he used them as fashion. And you really saw him. Like, I was talking to another friend who said, oh, this. It really feels Bottega y. And I think I understand what he means, like, the big shirts and the skirts, but it's more. That's just Mattu. And I thought he did a good job of, like, making it feel fresh, modern, low rise on the. Like, the drop waist is a Chanel thing, but it's also where the world is moving. And I was just like, oh, my God. I want, like, that minty green and that particular red. That's my favorite color combination of all time. And so the fact that he used that and the hair, the makeup, the soundtrack, the set was incredible. Like, he went back and did. I'm gonna do a big set. They had a really big show and invited a lot of people. I thought that it felt. It just felt really positive. And I thought, okay, this is something that I actually would want to save my money up for. That's not. That feels like a fantasy that I want to be a part of, and I haven't felt that in years from a fashion show.
- [35:28]
Becky Malinsky
Like, yes.
- [35:29]
Lauren Sherman
Like, you don't. We have so much access to so many different things. We don't need to buy any of this stuff. But that. I was like, you know what? I want to be a part of this. And it was really. It was really special.
- [35:42]
Becky Malinsky
I had lunch with a French friend earlier in the day, and we were kind of talking about that how, like, you don't see a lot of Chanel on the street in Paris, and people hadn't been wearing it, and it really needed to come back into the fashion conversation instead of existing in this. It's. It's sort of like, there's fashion and then there's Chanel, and it's not judged by the same criteria, but it had. It had to come back. And he was able to sort of, like, build that world and build that excitement in the way that proves he's a creative director, not just a designer.
- [36:10]
Lauren Sherman
Yes. Which was a big question this week about a lot of people. Like, is it a creative director or is it a designer? And there is a difference. And I don't know. I just thought the one thing I'm nervous about is just how expensive it's gonna be, and I don't think, oh.
- [36:27]
Becky Malinsky
It'S gonna be so expensive.
- [36:28]
Lauren Sherman
Like, I don't. I don't think I want. Maybe there will be a Shoe that I'll really want and I'll end up getting a pair of. But like I want a jacket and I want a skirt.
- [36:36]
Becky Malinsky
I know. You know it's funny, I want a bag and I haven't wanted like craved a bag in a long time. But there's no, I mean those bags are going to be what, $12,000 for the little 2.55?
- [36:47]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. So that's an interesting. I mean I'm part of it.
- [36:50]
Becky Malinsky
That is not fact checked. But like given the way things are going. Yeah, I hope they, I mean that's a kind of a conversation for the industry at large too. Like how is all of this going to be priced and who do they want participating in it?
- [37:04]
Lauren Sherman
Totally. I was talking to Marissa Meltzer about it because she is a Chanel customer and she said, oh, the jackets will be at least seven. And it's just like that's not realistic for me. Like even I'm not gonna do that. Like I'm crazy, but not that crazy. And so which look was yours, Becky? Oh my God.
- [37:23]
Becky Malinsky
Well, I loved that tan. It looked like a tan skirt suit, but it was actually like a drop waist dress with the white silk top.
- [37:32]
Lauren Sherman
Oh yeah.
- [37:32]
Becky Malinsky
And then the matching jacket over. I loved that look.
- [37:36]
Lauren Sherman
That was really good.
- [37:37]
Becky Malinsky
I'm going to open the show.
- [37:38]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, let's look. And you say what number? So I think the, the reality is that look 11 was mine.
- [37:45]
Becky Malinsky
Okay, wait, I have to open it up.
- [37:47]
Lauren Sherman
Here I come. I, I would like to be. I'll tell you which look I would like to be, but I think look 11. Like let's just be real like that. That is something that's gonna, that's the closest we're gonna get.
- [37:59]
Becky Malinsky
Okay. Yeah. That was such a good look. Also a lot of people liked look 12. Like there was a lot of people posting that.
- [38:06]
Lauren Sherman
Yes, I like look 12 a lot. It's not for me.
- [38:09]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah, I also loved. There was, there's two. There was this black pantsuit with a big gold like chain neck collar. Look 21. It was like a skinny pantsuit and I thought that was very cool.
- [38:22]
Lauren Sherman
Yes, that was a great look.
- [38:24]
Becky Malinsky
And then the, the, the tan tweed suit I liked was look 32.
- [38:29]
Lauren Sherman
Yes, that's great.
- [38:30]
Becky Malinsky
Wait, and where was. Oh, and then lastly. Sorry. And then I'll shut up about it. Look 40 was like a tweed suit, but it was actually just a shell.
- [38:38]
Lauren Sherman
Oh, got it.
- [38:39]
Becky Malinsky
Lining exposed. And then the matchings or slouchy skirt.
- [38:43]
Lauren Sherman
Okay. I am the one that I really loved. I actually love look 54. I would not wear that, but I just think it's so fabulous. It's the all white with the kind of chubby red. And that red color is so dangerous and fun. I'd say the look that I really love is look 46.
- [39:07]
Becky Malinsky
46, here I come. Oh, yeah. That was so good. I took a picture of that during the show.
- [39:14]
Lauren Sherman
That's like, if. If I was rich, that's the one I would get. I think that look 11 is more. What? More my style, which, like a khaki skirt and a plaid shirt and a little bit of red in there. But look 46 was sort of like, if I had $40,000 to drop on a Chanel outfit, like, this would have to be it.
- [39:36]
Becky Malinsky
Here's what I'll say about that. That is an easy outfit to break down and buy one piece. Like, I have favorite looks from seasons where I'm like, oh, I can only buy one piece, and then I stock the secondary market for years sometimes to complete the look. And that's kind of the way young people shop now, too. Anyway. Yeah, so it's like. It'll be interesting to see.
- [39:56]
Lauren Sherman
Well, but how much is this jacket gonna cost? Is a question.
- [40:01]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah, that jacket's gonna cost a ton, but maybe you can get the top or get the skirt.
- [40:05]
Lauren Sherman
The last thing I want is the top. Becky. I'm not wearing that top.
- [40:08]
Becky Malinsky
I'm sorry. I'm just trying to be optimistic.
- [40:12]
Lauren Sherman
Okay. Anyway, I thought it was great. It was such a great way to end this, like, completely insane season. Good for them. They hired the right person. I think that it's really interesting. I saw Lena Nair, the global CEO, at this Edward and Impul party in New York, and she's like, looks like a superstar. It was amazing. She's so magnetic. It was really interesting. She was wearing Chanel, but she just, like. I was like, oh, my God. Like, she. She had more presence than Meghan Markle. When Meghan Markle walked by me the other night, which we could discuss that, but that was a choice. She. I think they've done a really good job restructuring the business and. And putting. They hired the right person. And I also was thinking about the fact that, like, there were all those rumors that Nadej was talking to them, and I kind of was like, okay, Kathy Horan totally planted this, because she was like, I want Nadesh. I want Nadesh. I was like, shut up, Kathy. She'll never listen to this, so it's fine. But. But in the end, I thought one of. One interesting note. I was like, oh, I bet they did interview Nadesh just because she's local. Well, it's also, it was very clear they interviewed people who, yes, the spectacle and the display and all that, but people who were like really about designing and not people who were gonna get too thinky. This needed to be something like Matthieu's final collection at Bottega, which was like basically about kids, little kids dressed up in their parents clothes. And it was really emotional for me and I felt extremely connected to it. He definitely has that ability to sort of put some sort of, as you were saying, understanding of what's happening in the rest of the world into his work. And I think he was sensitive to that in this case. But I think what he realized and why he's so brilliant is this just needed to be a great collection of clothes that felt new and young and good. They just felt so good. I was just like so happy. I just kept listening to Paula Cole over and over and over again.
- [42:24]
Becky Malinsky
Soundtrack was so good. You know what, one thing I will say though that I will be interested in to see when it comes in store.
- [42:31]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [42:31]
Becky Malinsky
Is the way that the brand messaging is treated by the brand. So a very. I just did like a little social experiment while I was there and I walked the main floor of both Galerie Lafayette and Marche. Well like the designer floor and the main floor. And I just walked really slow and sort of looked at what's happening in all the shop and shops and all of the little designer boutiques had, you know, there were people inside and it felt welcoming. People were saying hello and Chanel in both stores there is a velvet rope, a kiosk and an iPad. And if you don't have an appointment and while you're just like having your Saturday shopping, you are not allowed in. And they were, and they were strict at both places. Like I, I wonder how that mentality is going to be treated as this stuff gets rolled out and how the brand is going to be, I don't know, delivering that message because it, it's not inviting right now. And it's like a bummer for like I love to shop and, and it's sort of like I can't even go in and look at the shoes.
- [43:33]
Lauren Sherman
Totally.
- [43:34]
Becky Malinsky
I'm very curious how that will all play out as all this, all of these new debuts start coming into the store and like how they're going to view like the narrative with the customer.
- [43:43]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [43:43]
Becky Malinsky
Because I want like, I hope that it becomes a more inviting place.
- [43:46]
Lauren Sherman
Well, I think that it's a great Point and I will say they, that Chanel is a very process oriented company now. There's like a lot of infrastructure. They've reorganized a ton of, of the business. I've written a lot about it over the past two years and I think that sensitivity is something they're probably talking about. Like it is, it's a great point. I've brought this up about Hermes, which is less extreme, but like there is something about having to make an appointment to buy something. I understand that it's busy and they have a lot of demand, but they have to figure out ways to make it a little more natural and easy. And they're not. Like there's something about, I think people believe a little bit of tension. Like you look in a box for an Apple product, they're very simple to open, but in some ways they're hard. Like it's like easy, but you have to figure it out. And that tension of like it not being so straightforward is why it's part of what makes people the stokes the desire. But there is, you can also go too far. And so I think in this market where there are other ways to get the stuff, like you can go onto the secondhand market or you can go to a different brand or whatever, they are going to have to be more sensitive to a different level of consumer. And so it's a great point.
- [45:14]
Becky Malinsky
I think it's going to be what kind of consumer do you want to have? Do you only want to have this consumer who wants to be knocked around a little bit psychologically? Or do you want the curious new interesting customer? So, because I think Hermes has a similar problem, but theirs is more behind the scenes. You're welcome in. But like, you know, there, there will be sticking points when it comes to get something, whereas it's the opposite of a Chanel. It's like very upfront. It's like maybe you can't come in, but when you do, you can buy whatever you want.
- [45:42]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. I think it's a thing that they all need to think about. And I'm sure at Hermes, the way that Hermes processes things and puts things in place, it's always based on a reality of a problem they're trying to solve. So as much as people want to think that Hermes has all these fake wait lists and stuff, it's not, I don't.
- [46:07]
Becky Malinsky
No, the demand is huge.
- [46:09]
Lauren Sherman
The demand is huge. And so I think you're right. The customer is changing. And because fashion plays a different role in their, in their life than it did even 10 years ago. And so the, the retail experience is going to have to change with it. And, and to see what. And that's, and that's why you do see brands like a liar or what have you excelling because our friend Marissa said they, you know, she's bought a couple things from there. She got to Paris and they started texting her and sending her, they sent her. I think they sent her like chocolate to their, her room or something.
- [46:47]
Becky Malinsky
It was like flour or chocolate. And she bought two things which are so lovely.
- [46:52]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Like, because they, they. And, and that kind of thing is. It's, it's, it's interesting. It's also the Charvet experience, which I want to, I want to segue into our retail experiences. And I want to say. I cannot believe someone. I shouldn't give away this idea. I can't believe someone hasn't done a big story on Charvet.
- [47:14]
Becky Malinsky
This is probably resistance from Charvet.
- [47:17]
Lauren Sherman
You don't need them. The New York Times does not need Charvet to do the story. Neither does the Wall Street Journal. You do not need participation from Charvet. The reason I think is probably a lot of people who work at those papers and magazines don't want people to know how great Charvet is. The reality is like the center the fashion industry. We all. Our entire trips are centered around Charvet and have been for, you know, five or ten years and for, you know, the older generation. Oh, interesting. Scott says he's. I don't think he'll care, actually. He says, okay. It took me a beat, but I'm on board about Chanel shoes and bags. Could still use some wow. Imo, Which I, I think that's a good point. I wasn't looking at them. I was only looking at the clothes. Love you, Scott. Scott's a really amazing designer we all know and love. But anyway, back to Charvet. This is a store that you go in, they're really, really nice. You can leave, you can buy stuff off the rack. Everybody who's anyone makes custom and they have their own block and all that stuff. But the custom shirts are €600, the off the rack shirts are €400. You buy a scarf, cashmere scarf, 250 bucks. One store in the Place Vendome. Incredible. Incredible. A little bit of wholesale. Everybody goes there. I feel like so many of these designers are inspired by it. There is a Celine, a shot of a Celine campaign with a scarf. And I was like, oh, that feels so Charvet to me. And we all. You have to at least Go in. When you go, like, that's my. Some seasons I only buy like a pair of socks from there, and that's it. But it has truly become, for Americans in particular, the sort of one stop on the retail train for Fashion Week. And I see it influencing the rest of the industry. And yeah, I do think it's. I mean, someone should do a story about it and how they've also.
- [49:20]
Becky Malinsky
We're not. We don't want the velvet rope outside.
- [49:23]
Lauren Sherman
No, but, like. But we're journalists. This is the thing. I know that stuff gets ruined. I'm sorry. But this is what we're supposed to do, is share information. And I just. Every time I go, I'm like, man, this place is awesome. It will become less cool in five years and it will be okay again. But, like, every time I go in, I'm just like, this is the best day of my life. Just going in and buying one shirt. Yeah.
- [49:51]
Becky Malinsky
I mean, they exist outside the fashion economy, so, you know, like, we've got these designer brands stamping their logo on their shirt, and they're thirteen hundred dollars. So you can feel like, oh, my God, I get this handmade thing in this almost royal setting.
- [50:03]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [50:04]
Becky Malinsky
For half the price.
- [50:05]
Lauren Sherman
So what else did you wear? Did you go to Charvet? I. I know you went to this new store, Ruby Rosa, which shares some DNA, but I'm curious to know more about it.
- [50:14]
Becky Malinsky
I went to Ruby Rosa. I bought a pair of pajamas. I bought tan with white piping.
- [50:20]
Lauren Sherman
Tell me about Ruby Rosa. Because a friend of mine was in Charvet, ran into Olympia Gayat. Olympia was like, you gotta go to Rubi Rosa.
- [50:30]
Becky Malinsky
That was great.
- [50:31]
Lauren Sherman
I never got to go because. And then another friend of mine was like posting little. The heart charms, which I need to get one of those.
- [50:40]
Becky Malinsky
So it's Lauren Rubinski's store. The jewelry designer.
- [50:43]
Lauren Sherman
The jewelry designer, yes. Okay.
- [50:45]
Becky Malinsky
And it's a. It's very edited. It's a tiny space. But I mean, it has. After this week, everybody posting it. I mean, I post on Instagram and I suggest. Posted it with the caption, what color did you get? Because it felt like everybody went very tiny, very narrow selection. It's like shirts, sweaters, pajamas, loafer. That's all they cute, but like beautiful colors. Like the. The right shade of every color that you would want.
- [51:12]
Lauren Sherman
What am I getting when I go?
- [51:15]
Becky Malinsky
You're probably getting a sweater.
- [51:17]
Lauren Sherman
Okay.
- [51:18]
Becky Malinsky
They had these little polos and V necks.
- [51:20]
Lauren Sherman
Cute.
- [51:21]
Becky Malinsky
That were great. Cashmere and I think around 500.
- [51:25]
Lauren Sherman
Great.
- [51:25]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah. Pajamas were 380 for. For everyone paying attention.
- [51:30]
Lauren Sherman
I'm excited. It doesn't seem like they have E Commerce, which. Great.
- [51:34]
Becky Malinsky
We don't know. It felt like a little. It felt kind of like Charvet in that it was a whole world, but it was, you know, a teeny, tiny storefront.
- [51:42]
Lauren Sherman
Great. Well, congrats to Lauren. I'm excited. I'll probably get one of those little heart charms too. Maybe I'll get Fritz on it or something. Oh, and she's great.
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Lauren Sherman
Okay, let's talk about our other shopping experience. We both bought Phoebe Philo pants.
- [53:37]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah, we both bought Phoebe Filo pants. I honestly forgot about that. I'm a little sleep deprived at the moment.
- [53:42]
Lauren Sherman
Okay, so everyone that I hung out with was wearing like head to toe Phoebe Philo.
- [53:48]
Becky Malinsky
Yes.
- [53:49]
Lauren Sherman
Which is I including socks that were.
- [53:51]
Becky Malinsky
Still stock at Galerie Lafayette when I went.
- [53:53]
Lauren Sherman
What so tell us about what you your purchase.
- [53:56]
Becky Malinsky
I well, I went to purchase the black jeans with the like Floral brocade, patchwork on sort of the inner thighs.
- [54:04]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [54:04]
Becky Malinsky
And I'm just like. Some of her clothes, you just have to be taller to carry. I'm five' five. And that wasn't enough for these pants.
- [54:10]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. The one thing I will say. And I had this conversation with Rachel Strugatz because she's going to Paris this weekend and, like, had them pull a bunch of stuff. I am. I'm almost five eight. I'm not. I always say I'm five' eight. I'm like five seven and three quarters, whatever. If I stand up really straight, I'm five' eight. So I have pretty short legs for being. I have a very long torso. I got the zip. I got a pair of the trousers with the zip up the back.
- [54:39]
Becky Malinsky
Amazing.
- [54:40]
Lauren Sherman
I had to get them tailored, but. Sarah de Mevo.
- [54:42]
Becky Malinsky
How did you get them tailored? Will they cut the zipper?
- [54:45]
Lauren Sherman
No, the zipper does not need to be cut. There is enough room. They've made them so you can tailor them. Because Phoebe filo is probably 5 7. She's not. She's not as tall as me. She's. She's tall. She's not short. She's probably five, six. Five seven, I would say. Anyway, Sarah de Mavilex went to Phoebe Filo with me and was my consultant on my purchases. She has the jeans with the zip. She is very petite. She can't be more than five three. And she was like, oh, yeah, you just get them tailored. The tailor at Galerie Lafayette was working on them, and she heard what they were saying in French, and she said, no, no, no, no, no. And took me to her tailor. Diamante, I think it's called. She won't get annoyed that I said the name of her tailor, but. But the. Speaking of hiding things. But they fit. They did it. And they looked great. And they're a perfect length. I probably should have gotten them a little bit longer. But, like, I'm. I'm a practical person. And they looked fine and. And they look chic and. But I would say that, like, a lot of that stuff can be tailored.
- [55:50]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
If you are more petite, because Sarah proved it. Like, she has the. She has the jeans up with the zip all the way up the back, and they look totally fine on her. Anyway, I got the.
- [56:01]
Becky Malinsky
I got the pleated, like, the micro pleat pants that are like a buttery cream and brown, but it's not like a. What's the word I'm looking for? It's not like a very consistent stripe. It's kind of a Messy stripe. I love them. They're definitely gonna have to be tailored, like, at least six inches.
- [56:21]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [56:22]
Becky Malinsky
But they. They. The drape is really good. I was a little concerned. I went to try them on. I was a little concerned, like on your hips when the accordion. When the pleating came apart, that it might look weird in that color combo. But it's super flattering.
- [56:34]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [56:35]
Becky Malinsky
Cut is great. Very happy.
- [56:37]
Lauren Sherman
They looked good. I got the zip flyaway pants in a.
- [56:41]
Becky Malinsky
Is it anything else?
- [56:42]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I got a brown sweater. This, like, very casual almost. It almost looked like a. Like a thermal tee, but it's a brown ribbed sweater, and. Oh, it's really gorgeous. And Sarah was like, actually, I. I wanted a high V. The high V neck sweater and, like, olive. But she was like, actually, you should get this. The color looked good. And it's like, I'll wear it with black jeans tucked in too.
- [57:10]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah.
- [57:10]
Lauren Sherman
But I will say I just hang out with a lot of my friends this week. A lot of people bought Phoebe, and it does feel like the only thing right now that people are like, okay, I'll. Because, look, I still wear. On this trip, I brought my Celine trench. I still wear a lot of the trousers I got from her Celine. I have a really amazing blazer that I wear all fall. I still. So much stuff I end up selling. But all. A lot of my old Celine I've never sold. And I think that makes me, like, these zip flyaway trousers. Look. Are they trendy? Sure. But I think generally so much of what I've bought from her over the years just has stood the test of time in a very special way.
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Becky Malinsky
They have a point of view that will live beyond trend season.
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Lauren Sherman
Totally. I did also want the boots, but I didn't buy them because I just felt they were a little too Margiela y for me. It was like, it's not the right shape for me.
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Becky Malinsky
I did buy white Repetto jazz shoes because I can't wait for the Celine ones.
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Lauren Sherman
I just can't wait that long. I know. That's so cute. That is a very, very good idea.
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Becky Malinsky
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
There was one other thing. Oh. I wanted to quickly, quickly, quickly talk to you about Demna because I had a little item on Monday about the Gucci, and the unlock for me with the Gucci was when you texted me from the re see the next day, and you showed me the Jackie bag and how he rendered it and this, like, really soft leather. And then I ran into Katie grand at Lacoste, and she was carrying it, and it looked awesome. And I heard from people like it's selling like their little experiment of having stuff in stores right after for a limited time seems to be really working. Just curious from your, from, from your marker market editor perspective, what you thought.
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Becky Malinsky
Yes. Oh, I loved it. I mean, so many of those pieces were so great. Once I went to the re see and saw it broken down, I, I tried to get one of the Jackies, the soft Jackies in a skin. And a week later and they were already sold out. And they're like, you have to wait till January. We're already sold out. We're putting into reproduction. I was like, wow, great. That's what I loved the Jackie. I loved the jewelry. Like, it was like these amazing, like diamante cuffs, wrist cuffs and neck cuffs that kind of opened up. What else was good? I mean, the furs were really fun. There was this leather jacket that I swear to God, my grandmother who is from small town Minnesota had in 1987 that was sort of the shape, but layered under it was a Gucci knit and then there was a ruffle collar blouse. And all of the pieces were just like delicious and easy, looked easy to wear. There was obviously the dramatic gowns and things, but there was like, the pump was good, the bag was good, the jewelry was good. The, the separates were good. It made me very excited to see what's coming. Like, I want that back.
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Lauren Sherman
I know it looked great. I always, I love the shape of that bag and I always thought that bag is good. That bag should be selling really well and now it's going to so good for them. Anything you want to get off your chest about Milan, since you weren't on, I am going to have you and Jacob on. We just need to find a good topic where you both will be very upset the whole time. So like we should have done it around tennis, but Jacob was still on paternity leave. But next season, anything while you were listening to us that really annoyed you that while we were. That you couldn't butt in?
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Becky Malinsky
No. The only thing I think that I wanted to butt in about was about price point and where all these brands are going to live price wise. Because I think one thing we had talked about after was sort of like, you know, pricing out the customer who will be interested in this. And you know, you, you guys had mentioned there's like no one filling that gap. And what's actually filling that gap is that contemporary has gotten so expensive that the totems of the world are filling that gap. So if you can provide quality Sort of at that price point, you can, you know, I think, sell, like, quadruple of what it is. Like, if you price your shoe at 1390, you'll sell some. If you price it at 890, all of a sudden, because prices are so outrageous, you're going to sell a million.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I think for Jill Sander and Versace, these are questions. These are things they need to think about.
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Becky Malinsky
Like, yes, I'm very curious about Versace too, because that is an expensive brand. Like, I've done projects when the past. And the sticker shock is there a bit.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Becky Malinsky
So I'll be curious that. Because I. There are definitely things in there.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Because like, if those striped jeans, I'm not going to wear those. Well, kids would. If those striped jeans are. Are 790 or even 990, if they're under a thousand, they're going to sell. If they're 15, that's tough. Like, I still have not bought a pair of the Phoebe Filo jeans because I'm like. But they're jeans. Like, it's just, you know, so. And I think with shoes and accessories and. And it was really interesting, the Jill conversation, because, I mean, I've written about it so much and we talked about it last week or whatever. Stop talking about it until the stuff gets in the stores. But, like, there was a lot of. I had a conversation with someone who owns a brand who was like. Cause I was saying this about. I feel like they need to price it a little more closer to totem than to the upper designer stuff. Just because if they do that, we'll all buy a ton of it. Like, it just. It'll feel. Because it feels it has such a great design identity. And I think that's sort of the approach Tory Burch has taken, which is like, we're contemporary price, but we want to have, like, a real design identity. And it's resonated with people. But I think that the challenge with minimalism that this person said to me, and then I read this weirdly, was served this Jill Sander quote about, like, if. If you do it cheap, it looks dirty.
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Becky Malinsky
Like, I agree with that, though.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And so the. The challenge is, like, imparting value. Like, get the material exactly right and somehow make it so it's not, you know, four grand for a jacket.
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Becky Malinsky
Yeah. And the other challenge is minimalism does not translate as well online. And so much of shopping now is E commerce. So you just hope that they're going to be able to translate that message and really be able to really zoom in on those fabrics when you're shopping online.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And I hope with Versace, like, I would buy. I probably would buy those shoes if they're not crazy.
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Becky Malinsky
I want that, like, Members Only jacket.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah. Like, I think, actually one of our mutual friends says, I can't. I shouldn't be buying, like, real fashion stuff, like a couple Prada things. And Phoebe is okay, but not, like, I can't engage with fashion beyond that. And I kind of agree with him. Like, it just feels like it's.
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Becky Malinsky
I can't.
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Lauren Sherman
You can't. I mean, it's your job, but my job is sort of to not do that.
- [63:59]
Becky Malinsky
Yeah, I know. That's harder.
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Lauren Sherman
Like, it feels like a little victimy for me to do that.
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Becky Malinsky
I hear you.
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Lauren Sherman
Whereas you.
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Becky Malinsky
Not your personal style.
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Lauren Sherman
No, no. So, anyway, the point being that the price. You gotta get the price right. Price value equation, people.
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Becky Malinsky
Yes, please. Get the price right, everyone.
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Lauren Sherman
Becky, I can't wait to see you in a couple weeks. It was so fun to see. And I can't wait till next season. You have to come to Milan.
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Becky Malinsky
I'm going to do my very best.
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Lauren Sherman
I'll do anything for it to make you do that. Okay.
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Becky Malinsky
Okay. Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
We'll talk soon. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of the of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.