French Girl Beauty with Violette Serrat

Summary

Fat Mascara Episode Summary: French Girl Beauty with Violette Serrat

Release Date: February 14, 2025

In this engaging episode of Fat Mascara, hosts Jennifer Sullivan and Jessica Matlin delve deep into the world of French beauty with their esteemed guest, Violette Serrat, a self-taught makeup artist and the visionary founder of the beauty brand Violette FR. Originally recorded in 2017, this episode offers a nostalgic yet insightful look into Violette’s early career and her evolution into a significant player in the beauty industry.

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1. Introduction to Violette Serrat

Jen Sullivan opens the episode by expressing excitement about revisiting one of their earliest interviews with Violette Serrat. She highlights Violette’s consistent sense of style and the foresight she had four years prior to launching her brand, Violette FR, in 2021. Violette now anticipates launching her products in 75 Sephora stores starting February 21st, with plans to expand into Sephora Canada in March.

2. Violette’s Journey: From Art to Makeup Artistry

Jessica Matlin begins the conversation by acknowledging Violette’s unique niche in the beauty industry.

Violette Serrat (06:22): “Being self-taught in makeup means I started by myself. I never learned makeup from anyone, never assisted, never attended any training school.”

Violette shares her unconventional path into makeup artistry, emphasizing her background in fine arts. She explains how her passion for art, which began at the age of three, became intertwined with makeup when she accidentally discovered the fusion of face painting and dressing up for a party.

Violette (11:31): “I decided to treat makeup as a fashion statement, a dress for the face, merging it seamlessly with art.”

3. Philosophy on Makeup and Empowerment

Violette’s approach to makeup transcends traditional beauty standards. She views makeup not as an end but as a tool for self-expression and empowerment.

Violette (07:06): “Beauty gives powerful, independent women empowerment.”

She discusses the balance between caring for one’s appearance and embracing a natural, effortless look—a hallmark of French beauty culture.

4. French vs. American Beauty Cultures

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the differences between French and American beauty ideologies.

Violette (14:00): “French women are inspired by the balance between not caring too much but still having fun with their look.”

She contrasts this with the American tendency to be more experimental and less restrained, highlighting how her move to New York influenced her style and approach.

5. Signature Looks and Techniques

Violette shares her favorite makeup techniques and products that define her signature French look.

Jen Sullivan (31:27): “Do you get. Does your mood change? Like, if you're wearing a certain color, do you feel a certain way?”

Violette (32:38): “I really believe in color therapy. For example, putting on a bright red lipstick can instantly elevate my energy for a big meeting.”

She elaborates on her method of using bold colors like Yves Klein Blue to influence mood and appearance, ensuring that makeup application remains effortless and long-lasting.

Violette (36:52): “The application has to be clean. With bold colors, you need a more dewy base for the pigment to stay on.”

6. Skincare and Haircare Routines

Violette emphasizes the importance of a comprehensive skincare routine, especially during colder months.

Violette (19:06): “With dropping temperatures and lower humidity, your skin can have a really tough time retaining moisture.”

She discusses her nightly skincare regimen, which includes multiple products like cleansers, serums, and homeopathic ampoules from Boiron Laboratoire to maintain skin health without heavy makeup reliance.

When it comes to haircare, Violette avoids silicone-based products, opting instead for brands like IGK to maintain her hair’s natural texture and health.

7. Inspirational Projects and Shoots

Violette reminisces about her favorite shoots, including collaborations with Teen Vogue and French Elle. She highlights a particularly memorable shoot for French Elle, where she and her boyfriend, Steven, were granted complete creative freedom to showcase their vision without adhering to prevailing trends.

Violette (26:35): “For French Elle, we shot a 15-page story over two days, focusing on what inspires other women rather than following trends.”

8. The Power of Color and Art in Beauty

Her passion for color therapy is deeply rooted in her artistic background. Violette recounts a childhood experience in a vineyard workshop where she was immersed in a vibrant display of pigments, igniting her lifelong sensitivity and appreciation for colors.

Violette (31:27): “I was absorbing all these colors and creating my own medium to paint on any canvas I wanted.”

9. Final Beauty Tips and Favorite Products

Towards the end of the episode, Violette shares practical beauty tips, emphasizing the transformative power of simple makeup elements like red lipstick and the importance of clean, effortless application techniques.

Violette (33:01): “Red lipstick is your best friend. It can divert attention from tired eyes and elevate your entire look.”

She also discusses her favorite products, including:

• NARS Pigments: For versatile and bold eye looks.
• IGK’s Wave Texture Spray: Essential for maintaining her signature “sex hair.”
• Urban Decay Perversion Mascara: Her go-to for dramatic lashes.
• Boiron Laboratoire Ampoules: For targeted skincare benefits.

10. Closing Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Violette reflects on her ongoing inspirations, including reading about influential figures like Abramovich and drawing inspiration from nature, particularly flowers, to fuel her creative processes.

Violette (34:43): “I'm very much into flowers right now, taking pictures to inspire my makeup looks.”

Jen Sullivan and Jessica Matlin thank Violette for her time and insights, highlighting the valuable lessons shared about blending art with beauty and maintaining a balanced, empowered approach to makeup.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Violette Serrat (07:06): “Beauty gives powerful, independent women empowerment.”
• Violette Serrat (14:00): “French women are inspired by the balance between not caring too much but still having fun with their look.”
• Violette Serrat (32:38): “I really believe in color therapy. For example, putting on a bright red lipstick can instantly elevate my energy for a big meeting.”
• Violette Serrat (36:52): “The application has to be clean. With bold colors, you need a more dewy base for the pigment to stay on.”
• Violette Serrat (33:01): “Red lipstick is your best friend. It can divert attention from tired eyes and elevate your entire look.”

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Conclusion

This episode of Fat Mascara offers a rich exploration of Violette Serrat’s unique approach to beauty, blending her artistic background with makeup artistry to create empowering and sophisticated looks. From her self-taught beginnings to her impactful presence in the beauty industry, Violette inspires listeners to embrace their individuality and find joy in the art of beauty.

For those seeking to enhance their beauty routines with a touch of French elegance and artistic flair, this episode provides invaluable insights and practical tips straight from a seasoned professional.

Transcript

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[Jen Sullivan]

Hello. Hi everyone. Happy Friday. Happy Valentine's Day. If you're someone who celebrates, I'm Jen Sullivan. This is Fat Mascara, a podcast about beauty culture. And yes, that's our tagline. So my co host, who you know, Jessica Matlin, she'll be here momentarily. But first I realized I haven't shared any reviews or comments in the past few episodes. And we love to do that because we love when you leave us a review. It helps us make our podcast accessible to more people. So if you listen on Apple, go ahead over to Apple and Leave us a review. We love to hear them. Or you can leave us a review on Spotify. The other thing that happens on Spotify is comments on each episode. And it's a really great place to talk to other listeners about what they think about what we said. So let me just read our latest comments here. We got a great response to our podcast with David Kibbe, which is published on January 31st. So that's what, two weeks ago now? That was our Friday interview and you guys loved it. Let me just share. Let's see, we've got Jane Lusky. 1981 is the username. How fun was it listening to this episode? A bunch of emojis, lots of heart emojis. David is a delight. I want to bottle his enthusiasm and sunshine as well as his point of view on how to style yourself. Now we've got the sunset or sunrise emoji. Thanks, Fat mascara. Well, thank you, Jane. And then we also have Suzanne, 29. She says, I am literally pausing the podcast right now so I can comment. What a unique episode. I've already done a Google deep dive on the kid V. Body types. Great interview. And then we have a bunch of comments too. People commenting how he sort of talked over him when he was talking about the body type. So I do apologize for that. We were very enthusiastic. We love David, but I think part of that was because when you look up Kibby types on the Internet, you're not exactly getting his pure view on it, and it's changed a lot. So the podcast was less about telling you what those body types are and how to use them, and more just getting to know David and his sense of wonder and excitement about style, which was great. So it's such a good episode. And this Friday, we have another interview for you. So onto that, we are speaking with makeup artist Violette Seurat. She's the fat founder of the beauty brand Violette Fr. So this interview is actually a replay. Get this, it was recorded back in 2017. It is one of our earliest podcast interviews, which you can absolutely tell from the audio, which we're gonna clean up a bit. So not quite up to the audio standards we have now, but it's a really great interview. And what's interesting to me, I wanted to do this because, a, it's Valentine's Day and she loves pink and she loves a red lip and she's a girl's girl, and that just felt very appropriate. But. But it's also timely. This was four years before she even launched Violette FR, which happened in 2021. But next week she is launching at 75 Doors of Sephora. So February 21st, Violette FR will be available in 75 Sephora doors. She's slated to move into Sephora Canada in March. So eight years after she speaks to us, as you'll hear, she was giving us all of these hacks for products that she had to sort of create herself because she couldn't find them. And, and then what I love is we know the history she went on to make them. So she alludes to this gorgeous, like Eve Klein blue eye with a Sephora pencil powder. I'll let her explain it. But now she has that product in the perfect bold blue that you paint. I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's a liquid eyeshadow liner and du blue. It is so gorgeous. She talks about her perfume oil. She now has a perfume oil. But really we just hang out just like three girls having fun, talking about beauty. It's so fun and it's so great to see how consistent her sense of style is. Her messaging is her way that she approaches beauty and women and all of that. And I just love it. So let's get into it.

[Jessica Matlin]

You've really carved out a cool little niche for yourself, Violet. Let's talk about it. Welcome to Fat Mascara.

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[Jen Sullivan]

Hi.

[Jessica Matlin]

So let's start from the beginning. You are self taught in makeup. What does that mean?

[Acast Advertiser]

It means that I don't really know if I'm doing something right. No idea. I started by myself. Like, I never learned makeup from anyone, so I never assisted. I never been to any training school or whatever.

[Jessica Matlin]

How did you get a job then? I always feel like it's like you have to assist Pat McGrath. You have to assist.

[Acast Advertiser]

You know, like, I think now I would never advise. Like all my assistants, I'm like, you need to assist all the people. Like, how many people writing me every day about how to make it in this industry. And I will never ever, like, advise to do like, what I did. So.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah, so what did you do? You just, you were at home and you played around with makeup.

[Acast Advertiser]

So. No, I'm not a makeup fan. It's weird, but I'm really not. I don't care about makeup at all. I care about women and style and be happy and play around with my colors on my face and on other people. But makeup itself, it's not like the achievement. It's just a tool that I'm using. I'm from art. That was my first love. So since I'm three. I'm studying art. It sounds weird, but it was really the way I could express myself when I was a kid. I was being kind of wild, and I think that's my main training. That's what taught me everything. It's art. And in my country, in France, women are in harmony with their femininity, but in a very specific way. It's not very glamorous, I think. And I was very fascinated by those powerful, independent women that, like, experience their own femininity, not in a masculine way, but in a very, like, strong and powerful way. I think beauty give them empowerment.

[Jessica Matlin]

Can you explain what you mean a little bit more? Because I'm thinking, like, who is. Who is strong and feminine and that you might be looking up to when you're younger. That is, like, embodying this, the women around me. Yeah, because you're saying you're not into makeup that much, but you're into this, like, strong feminine vibe.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah, I've been very, like, when I was a kid, I didn't, like, watch classic, like, cartoons. I was very. I guess I was very intellectual, now that I think about it, because I used to, like, watch only cocktail movies in black and white. And I was, like, 5 years old, and I was obsessed with this. And me, too.

[Jen Sullivan]

Totally.

[Acast Advertiser]

Now I'm like, wow, I was kind of a weird kid.

[Jessica Matlin]

She's a very serious little girl in front of the television.

[Acast Advertiser]

Very, like, into it. And I was obsessed with Almodova movies and the women in his movies.

[Jen Sullivan]

When you were five?

[Acast Advertiser]

No, I guess I was like, more like. You'd be traumatized.

[Jessica Matlin]

Pedro. Okay, I'm saying it the way you're saying it. Pedro.

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Alma Amo d'auva. Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

So were you looking at fashion at all or really mostly film? I mean, there's like, a bit of a Venn diagram there, too. But, like, were you into the fashion scene? Like, I want to be a fashion, like, you know, makeup artist. Or were you really just, like, focusing.

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On my family were strong women. They were in the, like, was in the fashion industry. So I was very familiar with magazines and photo shoots and all this crowd. So I was really not dreaming about it. I knew it was very tough. One day you can be loved, and one day you can be forgotten. It's kind of a tough industry. So I really was not thinking about being part of it. And I was doing my painting for so many years. And then I wanted to be an archaeologist, and then I wanted to be, like, a businesswoman. I don't know what that means.

[Jessica Matlin]

Businesswoman.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah.

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I wanted to be a businessman.

[Jessica Matlin]

You wanted a power suit and a briefcase.

[Jen Sullivan]

The outfit.

[Jessica Matlin]

Exactly.

[Acast Advertiser]

With high heels and, like, red lipstick and be like, a bitch, but no. And then one day I got into fashion, but, like, fashion design, not fashion industry. So I was like, oh, you're still.

[Jessica Matlin]

Doing very fine art about the whole thing. Yes.

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So I decided to do that, and I decided to study that. And once I was done with my studies, they said, like, your. I don't know how you call this. Like, your file or whatever is really good. Your portfolio. We can sponsor you to, like, go to somewhere in school or something like this. And I was like, I don't know. Fashion is great, but there's something in the fabric that inspires me. But just to work with only this texture, there's something dead. I don't feel very motivated by it. And then in painting, it's okay. So do I really want to pursue in art? And I was like, there's still something. The canvas is flat. I don't know. There's something missing. And then what happened is a very, like, accidental thing. I was going to, I thought, a customized party, and my friend was like, oh, just put glitter on my face. And I put glitters on her. And I was like, oh, it's like dressing up a face and painting a face at the same time. It's like both of my loves together. And, by the way, went to the party, and no one was, like, wearing costumes.

[Jessica Matlin]

It's like, biggest fear.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah.

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Yeah, it happened.

[Jessica Matlin]

That's so funny.

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And I was like, okay, I'm gonna try to do this job my own way. Meaning treating makeup as a fashion statement, as a dress that I'm putting on your face, and at the same time, like, art.

[Jessica Matlin]

So you started doing this, and you had your own bent to, like, makeup artistry.

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Yeah, that's like. You mean, like, that was what I wanted to. That style.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. I had a very strong philosophy on how I wanted to do makeup, because I was not interested in makeup. I was thinking either I can do it that way, and that's very interesting. And if I cannot, then I'll do another job.

[Jessica Matlin]

That's really interesting. But how did you, like, make that leap from, okay, this is. I'm like, kind of the fine artists. You know, the fine artists of makeup artistry to. You know, you are a major player in the makeup world right now. Like, how did you make that jump? Like, how did you get so big?

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Well, thank you. And also, I would say that it's really. I think My best partner is life. Does that make sense? Like, everything happen in a very. It's like a script. Like, I really always let life drag me some places, even though I work hard for everything. So I'm not, like, passive, but I'm also not a control freak. Like, living in fear of, like, it needs to be this. If it's not this, if it's complicated to achieve, it's not the right thing. So I always experience everything with a kind of like, if it's not this, there'll be something else.

[Jessica Matlin]

So you're not like, a super. You didn't have, like, a calculated. Okay, like, step three, I'm gonna connect with my agent. And then, you know, most of your.

[Jen Sullivan]

Work in the beginning was for, like, art magazines, and it wasn't like you went right to doing, like, a Maybelline commercial on, like, a commercial model. Do you think it sounds like being an expat in New York, being French sort of helped you in a way because you didn't know to be scared. And I'm sure there was a little bit of, like, an exoticism about you because, you know, how you've lived in New York how long now?

[Acast Advertiser]

Two years and a half.

[Jen Sullivan]

Okay. You know how we are about French girls.

[Acast Advertiser]

Ugh.

[Jen Sullivan]

French girls are so. What do they have? Why don't we have it? Do you think that's the case being a French woman? Do you think there is something different between the two cultures now?

[Acast Advertiser]

I feel it every day, and I feel like it's okay.

[Jen Sullivan]

Tell us what the difference is.

[Acast Advertiser]

I mean, I feel the enthusiasm of other women that are not French towards me being French, and it's like an incredible welcome.

[Jessica Matlin]

Is it creepy?

[Acast Advertiser]

No, I'm just like, I had no idea, really. Like, I had. I didn't know how much it was an inspiration for American women. And I remember when I used to live in France, I was thinking we should be more inspired. Like, 10 years ago, I was kind of sick of this very boyish attitude from French girls. And I was, like, thinking that we need to be inspired more by American because they celebrate the woman they're not scared of having fun with their look. And I thought that was free. And I love this. And now French girls are much more inspired by American women. And they really got their glamorous look evolved thanks to. So I think we are better now also thanks to the American culture.

[Jen Sullivan]

I don't know the word you said Boesh. Does that mean, like, they were, like, set in their ways and they were just scared to experiment?

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No, I don't I think maybe we scared, but we're going to turn this into a snob attitude and be like, okay, it's not good.

[Jen Sullivan]

Whereas, like, Americans tend to be less snobby and more willing to, like, look like a goofball.

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I love so much. Like, this is more interesting.

[Jessica Matlin]

Like, enthusiastic.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. French. I mean, I'm like, this, too. I've changed since I've moved, and I'm happy I did because there's no point to be proud like this. I mean, it's amazing to be inspired by other people and involved. I think by that, at that time, women were more, no makeup, hair. Like, no hair, no makeup, nothing to care. Yeah. You should not care at all. And I think now we achieve. Now we're in good place. French woman. I'm really inspired by our balance. It's really in between. Don't care too much, but still care and have fun. It's. It's. Yeah, it's good balance right now.

[Jessica Matlin]

Is there anything actually, like, unifying, though, about, like, when people say, oh, this very French look? Like, is there anything that actually is a very French look?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

What is it?

[Acast Advertiser]

I can recognize now? I can recognize a French woman.

[Jessica Matlin]

How could, like, how can we spot a. How can we spot a French person?

[Acast Advertiser]

I think that's like a failed guide. There is this. There is this thing. Always the balance. Always. Always the balance. Never. It's never full on. So if we wear, like, an incredibly, like, an incredible, like, red lipstick, we'll have a pretty raw skin. And the hair should be always clean, but, like, messy. We need to. We kind of have this thing, I guess, that we just had sex, you know?

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay.

[Acast Advertiser]

Like, the sex. I call this the sex hair.

[Jessica Matlin]

Sex hair.

[Jen Sullivan]

We call it morning after hair.

[Acast Advertiser]

It can happen anytime during the day.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah, that's the first thing.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Violette's, like, rocking some sex hair today in the studio. Sex hair and a sweatshirt.

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But it's not.

[Jen Sullivan]

They would never be.

[Jessica Matlin]

It's not vulgar. It's not vulgar.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah. Never fully done makeup. Hair, outfit, perfectly styled.

[Acast Advertiser]

No, Never. Never. It's like, it's always, like. Even today I wear my sweater top, but I have these leather pants and shoes. Leather shoes. It can be very laid back, but you have a touch of something chic there to make it up for the rest.

[Jessica Matlin]

Sure.

[Acast Advertiser]

And it's the same with your hair and your makeup. It's like perfume. Not too much perfume. Nails, pretty short.

[Jen Sullivan]

Got it.

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Skiing, pretty raw.

[Jen Sullivan]

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[Jessica Matlin]

So you are very big on YouTube and Instagram. What post or video has gotten a lot of response? What's gotten a lot of love recently?

[Acast Advertiser]

There's really one video on my YouTube that got so much success and I was not expecting this at all. It was the one that I did in my atelier because I have an atelier in the city where it's like my creative bubble. I have all my pigments, I have all my inspirations on the walls and I draw there, I paint there and I do my consulting jobs there, so I very often do my makeup there because I like to do my skincare routine that is kind of crazy at home and then let my skin breathe for a while. And then when I arrive at my office and I feel like I'm ready to do my makeup. So we filmed this.

[Jen Sullivan]

I want to pause you for a second. What's the crazy skincare routine?

[Acast Advertiser]

Oh, it's funny because today I post my skincare routine and people are shocked.

[Jen Sullivan]

There's a lot to it or to.

[Acast Advertiser]

Well, to me, it's not a lot, but I think it is for most people. I mean, for French people. French people are really responding, like, yeah, it's normal, but the others are like, no, it is not normal. So I use five products a night. Okay.

[Jen Sullivan]

We think that's fine, right? Let's hear what they are.

[Acast Advertiser]

So I cleanse with it depends. I have this in this video. I use the mud. And right now I'm using this moon cleanser oil that I really like because I never use cotton pad on my face when I remove makeup, because it's a scratch. It scratches the skin. And also it's not good to the lashes. So I really massage while with the oil, and then I rinse off a lot.

[Jessica Matlin]

You don't use, like, a washcloth or anything?

[Acast Advertiser]

No. Really?

[Jen Sullivan]

You don't want to scratch the face.

[Jessica Matlin]

I know, but I thought that a washcloth might be, like, more, like, forgiving to you than a cotton pad. But it sounds like you don't want anything aggressive. Okay.

[Acast Advertiser]

At the end. Because I use all the stuff, so that's why I try to be more gentle. And my skin is extremely. I guess, like me, my skin is a pain in the ass. Like, if I use the wrong products, like, no. So I massage, and then I have this spray I love, like, saline spray, because it removes all the, like. How do you say? Microb? Like bacteria. And then I will have this serum that I really love from Rocher Biologique. That is oxygen. It's like oxygenation in your skin, like when you have olive skin. I have a tendency to have dark circles or my complexion color will change every day depending on how I feel, how I slept. It's kind of annoying because it's a window on exactly how was my day the day before. So I cannot hide. People will tell me right away, oh, you look tired, Tired today. Which I think is the rudest thing to say.

[Jessica Matlin]

It is rude.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. And so I use this. And it's been doing so incredible for me. Like, there's no way I'm going to kill this product. Then I use those homeopathy little ampoule that are actually normally you drink them. So one is for, like, an overdose and antioxidant on my skin one night, and the other night I'll use the other one, which is, like, to rebalance my skin.

[Jessica Matlin]

This is all quite reasonable. Okay, we're up to four.

[Acast Advertiser]

That's what I thought. And then I have. I kind of forgot. I know I have this cream, this new cream I'm trying, but sometime we will put another serum or another kind of oil, depending on the weather, because climate also has a strong impact on my skin. So this is every single night. And it will never happen that I miss one step or never. But I think, like, in the video, I'm also using two masks to say, okay, once a week on top of this. And so it looks a bit, like, intense, but. Yeah, but for some people, they only want to use two products or three.

[Jen Sullivan]

And you said then you let it breathe for a while before you go to your atelier and do your makeup. Is that just to, like, let your skin, like, the pores close back up? Like, what do you mean by that? Is that a good idea for, like, one of us to do?

[Acast Advertiser]

I think so. Because your skin. I mean, your skin needs a little bit of time to process, to absorb.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah.

[Acast Advertiser]

And then I think you got to think about it. Yeah. And a break, like, to not do anything for a minute. Also, I don't wear foundation, so you're.

[Jessica Matlin]

Not wearing any foundation right now?

[Acast Advertiser]

No, I have concealer right now, but I have nothing. I have blush but, like, nothing on my skin. I'm pretty allergic to foundation, so I use it very rarely. So that's why also my routine has to be, like, very difficult. If I must say, I have no choice.

[Jen Sullivan]

What's your favorite shoot you've done recently for a magazine?

[Jessica Matlin]

Teen Vogue.

[Acast Advertiser]

We.

[Jen Sullivan]

Oh, did you guys shoot together?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah, we had amazing shoot.

[Jessica Matlin]

The Applique shoot with Taylor Hill.

[Acast Advertiser]

That was so fun. The Pearl, that's really one of the shoots I enjoyed the most for sure. Because it was, like, costume design on her face. That was really, really fun.

[Jessica Matlin]

I'm teasing. You can say another shoot if there was another shoot that came out.

[Acast Advertiser]

Oh, that was really one I really loved. More recently I did was for French Elle, because French Elle is a bit like a family to. And with my boyfriend Steven, we shot together a story of, like, 15 pages.

[Jessica Matlin]

Wow.

[Acast Advertiser]

And for two days. And I could do. They said, do whatever you want for 2017. We just want to know your vision. And I said, okay, guys, I don't like trends. I don't care about trends. So can I just say what I'm inspired for for other women? They said, sure. I mean, I thought that was like.

[Jen Sullivan]

What are you Inspired for? For 2017, I did a lot of pink.

[Acast Advertiser]

I was very much into pink, so I did, like, the 50 shades of pink, I guess.

[Jen Sullivan]

Wait, do you have blush on right now?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jen Sullivan]

What is this blush?

[Acast Advertiser]

Glossier puff. The new blush? Yeah.

[Jen Sullivan]

That's a pretty pink.

[Acast Advertiser]

Thank you. Very pretty.

[Jen Sullivan]

So did that shoot come out already?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah, it came out, and I'm, like, very, very happy with it. It's basically Daphne, the girl. She has no makeup on her skin, and she just has one statement. So sometimes it's like a velvet, deep red lips or metallic eye or stars stem tattoo on the eyes. Like, one statement that she will wear as an accessory, like a piece.

[Jessica Matlin]

So how do we do the stars?

[Acast Advertiser]

So I use a milk pen.

[Jessica Matlin]

Oh, they're little, like the stem stencil pens.

[Acast Advertiser]

And I just like. How do you say stamp my eyelid? I recover all my eyelid with it.

[Jessica Matlin]

That's cool.

[Acast Advertiser]

And it's fine. It stays on for two days, so you need to be ready.

[Jessica Matlin]

Thanks for the warning.

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[Jessica Matlin]

When we spoke a few months ago, I remember you told me that like one of your favorite things was these pigments and that they really inspired you like when you were little. Like it was some crazy tale about that and I thought it was cool. Can you share it with our listeners?

[Acast Advertiser]

Well, when I was a kid I spent some holidays in south of France in the middle of the vineyard. There was that workshop owned by two very hippie artists, a couple. And they had this incredible, very artistic workshop really in the middle of the vineyard. So it was kind of an insane landscape. And my family, we stay there in this vineyard and I will spend my entire days with this couple and they have this gigantic wall recovered with old glass jar of pigments. So I remember sitting on the floor and being shocked by by this entire and I was small so it was like so big gigantic wall of colors everywhere and I was feeling like I was being fed by the energy of the colors. So I was absorbing all these colors and I still feel very Very sensitive to colors. And they taught me how to use these colors, pigments, and create my own medium and paint on any canvas I wanted. So that's how I really learned to paint.

[Jen Sullivan]

Do you get. Does your mood change? Like, if you're wearing a certain color, do you feel a certain way?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. I really believe in color therapy, and I notice that if I have a big meeting and I feel a bit down, I will put, like, a very bright red lipstick. And you change my energy right away. And I do the same for my clothes.

[Jen Sullivan]

Okay, so what if we're tired? So somebody doesn't say, you look tired. What should we put on?

[Acast Advertiser]

Red lipstick is an amazing. Yeah, red lipstick is your best friend.

[Jen Sullivan]

I was like, then you're looking at that and not at my tired eyes.

[Acast Advertiser]

And dark circles and a little bit of a pale skin. Works with red lips. So you can look like kind of like, not in the best but of your complexion, but the red is going to be actually cool with it, so it's pretty good. Otherwise, all these, like, soft pink tones. It depends on your skin color. It's always like this that you have to. That's why I also want to start to do makeup on friends of different ethnic to really show on different hair color, skin color, eyes color, that you have different choices. Because I'm olive, so I don't have tons of options.

[Jen Sullivan]

You mentioned the film directors that inspire you. What other artists inspire you these days? It doesn't have to be an artist. I mean, whoever's inspiring you.

[Acast Advertiser]

Well, I'm almost done reading the book of Abramovich, and I must say that I'm completely fascinated by her.

[Jen Sullivan]

She's so cool.

[Acast Advertiser]

She's beyond. I mean, I'm blown away. I was always.

[Jen Sullivan]

Have you met her?

[Acast Advertiser]

No. Oh, my God.

[Jen Sullivan]

You need to go up to her compound. I feel like you guys would be like, that's my dream.

[Acast Advertiser]

Like, I'm like, I was always very attracted by her pieces, and I really understand her vision. But to read her and get to be in her mind, like, I'm like. I feel like I'm, like, in love with her. She's fascinating. So right now, yeah, I'm a lot into this. What else? I'm very much into flowers at the moment, so I take pictures of flowers all the time to get colors, inspiration for makeup.

[Jen Sullivan]

When spring finally gets here in New.

[Acast Advertiser]

York and you freak out, everybody's into flowers.

[Jen Sullivan]

You're like a dazzatil.

[Jessica Matlin]

Take a picture.

[Acast Advertiser]

Exactly.

[Jessica Matlin]

I saw a weed the other day, a dandelion.

[Acast Advertiser]

I was like, Sweet. You get a little bit too much. That's okay.

[Jessica Matlin]

If you're feeling gross, like, what do you do to feel pretty? Or, like, what's a good tip for people? Like, to kind of, like, perk up?

[Jen Sullivan]

Don't say red lip, because you already said that.

[Jessica Matlin]

Because you're so good with color and, like, you know about color and mood and all that.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. One color that really pushes my mood a lot is Bleu Klan. I'm sorry? Bleu Klan. Yves Klan, you know, the painter.

[Jessica Matlin]

I would say Yves Klein blue, but it doesn't sound as lovely for me.

[Jen Sullivan]

Blue clown. I want that.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yes, yes.

[Jen Sullivan]

You've cleansed it. It's like a cobalt.

[Acast Advertiser]

Like a true, true blue.

[Jen Sullivan]

You can't find that blue anywhere.

[Acast Advertiser]

But to make it work, I guess. So NARS does one eyeshadow like this?

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah.

[Acast Advertiser]

And, like, scratch it to reduce it to powder. So I can really work it as I want. Also, Sephora is doing a jumbo pencil, which is even better because then you just, like, color your eyelid, and it's done.

[Jen Sullivan]

Wait, wait, but.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay, but let's go back to your scratched nars. Like shavings. What are you doing with those, then? Cause I just pick. If I put that on my eyelid, I just think it would, like, patchy and insane. Like, what are you doing with that?

[Acast Advertiser]

So the application has to be. That's the thing. If you put, like, very strong colors, the application has to be clean. If it's, like, not even or the shape, I don't really mind. I like when it's a bit messy, but just the texture should be nice so you can really enjoy the color. So when you use pigment, you need, like, a more dewy base in order to have the pigment to really stay on.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay.

[Acast Advertiser]

So that's why I always use the jumbo pencil from Sephora for the blue, for example, that I really color my eyelid. And then I will grab with my finger. I always use my fingers, the pigments of nars, and then I will pad.

[Jessica Matlin]

Other to lock it in.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yes. And it will stay on all day. And the application is perfect. And it only takes, like, a minute. It's very, very fast to do.

[Jessica Matlin]

Do you use. I'm picturing you doing all these steps. Do you use eye primers or, like, is that not one makeup artist thing?

[Acast Advertiser]

No, I think sometimes it is, but when you use jumbo pencil, you already have this cream on, so, I mean, it doesn't change anything. You put eye base or not. If you're using dry eyeshadows like powder eyeshadows. Then you need an eye base, because this will help to, like, grab. But with this technique, with, like, bold color like this, just use a jumbo of the same color. And I also like it because with a jumbo, I can, like. I don't like when it's graphic, the shape of an eyeshadow. I like when it's slowly dying on the eyelid, you know, even if it's strong statements.

[Violette Seurat]

Yeah.

[Acast Advertiser]

So I will really blur.

[Jen Sullivan]

It's freaking poetic. Like, I would be like, oh, when it fades, just like when the color slowly dies.

[Jessica Matlin]

Slowly dying.

[Jen Sullivan]

Beautiful.

[Acast Advertiser]

It's just my vocabulary that is, like, really limited.

[Jen Sullivan]

I'm sorry, I interrupted. I couldn't help it.

[Acast Advertiser]

So, yeah, I really blur the edges, and in two seconds, because it's a creamy texture, so it's super easy.

[Jessica Matlin]

So you blur the edges to make it slowly die? Yeah, to kill it. You want to kill that?

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah, I want to kill that eyeshadow. Yeah. And then the pigment, I will focus on the center of the eyelid.

[Jen Sullivan]

She's popping the lid. Okay, that's what you said.

[Jessica Matlin]

Pop it.

[Jen Sullivan]

Pop the lid. Pop it above the eyelids, right?

[Acast Advertiser]

Exactly.

[Jen Sullivan]

You named a couple of the products you like. You mentioned these homeopathic drops that people eat, but you put it on your face.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jen Sullivan]

What brand makes that?

[Acast Advertiser]

So it's a French lab called Boiron Laboratoire Boiron. And it's very, very, very good. So you give that to your babies. You put this in your eye. If you have a disease in your eye, it's like, very good.

[Jen Sullivan]

And you put it on your face.

[Acast Advertiser]

And I put it on my face. The person who gave me this advice is Joelle Sioco, which is in Paris, kind of like the French guru for the skin. And I changed my skin. Like, it's incredible what it did. So you have different kind. You have gold, silver, copper and zinc. And depending on what you need, you can choose the one you need the most.

[Jen Sullivan]

Okay, what about hair? We talked about makeup.

[Acast Advertiser]

You do get that sex hair.

[Jen Sullivan]

You have that sex hair going on right now. What do you use?

[Acast Advertiser]

So I never use any product with silicone because it killed my hair in the past. And one day, hairstylist told me, I was like, I don't know. My hair is so matte. What happened? Instead of using silicone, I'm like, yeah. It's like, okay, you need to stop this. And it took me six months to finally remember how my hair was, because there was build up incredible. Like, it really killed it. And so I now discovered this new brand that's called igk.

[Sleep Number Advertiser]

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[Jen Sullivan]

I use their Wave texture spray.

[Acast Advertiser]

I love it. And I actually have, like, this in my bag.

[Jen Sullivan]

Oh, bring it out.

[Acast Advertiser]

This is always in my bag. Now it's called the sea Mist, and it smells.

[Jessica Matlin]

Oh, this is a different brand. This is Herbivore.

[Acast Advertiser]

But that's. To me, that's like. I would say that's the sex spray.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah, they have that at Urban Outfitters. I feel like I've seen it there.

[Jessica Matlin]

Which is the IGK product that you like.

[Acast Advertiser]

I use shampoo and the moisturizing shampoo and conditioner, and then I will use Bumble. There is this. What's the name of it? The Primer in the morning. If I need to, like, break my, like. Yeah, my bangs is, like, kind of weird.

[Jen Sullivan]

Prep spray or whatever.

[Acast Advertiser]

It's a prime tonic.

[Jen Sullivan]

And. Okay, I have to ask, what mascara do you like? Because it's fat mascara.

[Acast Advertiser]

Oh. So I'm a fan of the Urban Decay one called Perversion. Of course.

[Jessica Matlin]

French people are sick.

[Jen Sullivan]

I know.

[Acast Advertiser]

What's wrong with us? Yeah, I love this one.

[Jessica Matlin]

Sex hair, your perversion mascara.

[Acast Advertiser]

What's wrong with me?

[Jen Sullivan]

Right? What's wrong? That's right.

[Jessica Matlin]

And then fragrance.

[Jen Sullivan]

Oh, it's our favorite. What perfumes?

[Acast Advertiser]

So I use this extremely cheap, little, tiny perfume that I buy on Amazon from Morocco that is called Musque Blanc. So white musk. It's natural, and there's no alcohol, so I can wear this under the sun. It's like a roll on, and I just, like, apply this.

[Jen Sullivan]

She's from the R.F. friedman School of perfume. Little vials on the phone. Yeah.

[Acast Advertiser]

Yeah. It's like three bucks.

[Jen Sullivan]

And it just sold out on Amazon. Right.

[Violette Seurat]

This was very French.

[Jen Sullivan]

I learned a lot.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah. This whole thing.

[Jen Sullivan]

Yeah. You met her at Chic in French. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

[Acast Advertiser]

Thank you.

[Jessica Matlin]

We hope you enjoyed the show.

[Jen Sullivan]

It's your reviews and feedback that help us make the podcast even better. Head over to itunes to rate and review us, or email your thoughts to infoatmascara.com we also want to answer your.

[Jessica Matlin]

Beauty questions and hear what products you love. To share a raise, a one product review, or to ask a beauty question. Email us at infoatmascara.

[Jen Sullivan]

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[Jessica Matlin]

Thanks so much for listening.

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