Get Off My Property

Summary

Fear Thy Neighbor – "Get Off My Property"

Podcast: Fear Thy Neighbor
Host/Narrator: Amanda Emery
Episode Air Date: September 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Fear Thy Neighbor, titled "Get Off My Property," explores a true and tragic tale of neighborly conflict gone violently wrong. Set in Flint, Michigan, it follows the escalating feud between two families—the Perrymans and the Bretts—whose cultural differences and misunderstandings devolve into hostility, vandalism, and eventually a deadly confrontation. Through firsthand accounts, altered-voice interviews, and actual 911 calls, the episode unflinchingly examines how small grievances can spiral tragically, impacting not just the feuding parties, but the entire community.

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Key Discussion Points & Episode Structure

1. Setting the Stage: The Move to Starkweather Street

(03:41 – 05:49)

• Background of Flint, MI: Once an industrial powerhouse, now struggling but community-oriented.
• Introduction of the Families:
  • Perrymans: Kim and Amber move for a fresh start with their two daughters, Amber’s mother Tammy, and family friend Joseph (who has a learning disability).
  • Bretts: Kenneth and Christina are factory workers with daughters CeCe and Paige.
• Quote:
  • Amanda Emery: “Flint is one of those cities that has a bad rap, but it has a lot of heart. The people want to make their city better and the community always comes together.” (03:41)

2. Tensions Arise: Clashing Lifestyles & Petty Grievances

(05:49 – 12:00)

• Initial Complaints:
  • Perrymans’ cluttered yard and frequent gatherings contrast with Bretts’ neat habits.
  • Loud music and the Perryman girls’ playful noise irritate the Bretts.
• The Music Confrontation:
  • Initial neighborly “hey” turns to hostility after repeated noise/clutter complaints.
  • Amber senses class and cultural judgment:
    • Amber Perryman: “I felt like Kenneth was uptight...thought he was better than us.” (07:19)
• Social Conflicts:
  • Car crowding, blocked driveways, and a mess from frequent family get-togethers frustrate the neighborhood (Neighbor “Becky”: 09:27).

3. Personal Ties Complicate the Feud

(09:57 – 11:07)

• Twist: Emmanuel, Amber’s cousin and CeCe’s ex, is living with the Perrymans—intensifying resentment.
• Quote:
  • Amber Perryman: “It definitely was a messy, petty breakup for Kenneth.” (10:11)

4. Escalation: Incidents, Confrontations, and Retaliation

(12:00 – 27:04)

• Recurring Conflicts:
  • Joseph’s hobbies branded as “eyesores.”
  • Hostile exchanges lead to thrown rocks, gravel, and eventually spitting (21:23).
• Lemonade Stand vs. Yard Sale:
  • Accusations of hypocrisy and increased drama with Amber’s emotional outburst:
    • Amber kicks over Christina’s yard sale tables in retaliation for complaints about her daughters’ lemonade stand (14:20–14:46).
    • Kim attempts to apologize and mediate, but the rift deepens.
• Vandalism:
  • The Perryman children’s new inflatable pool is shredded, believed by Kim and Amber to be retaliation from the Bretts (19:57).
  • Amber responds with gravel-throwing and – in a now infamous incident – by spitting on Christina, prompting a police call and further escalation.

5. The Point of No Return: Explosive Confrontations

(27:04 – 43:15)

• Accusations Cross the Line:
  • Perryman children allege Kenneth made inappropriate comments (disputed by neighbor “Becky” and the Bretts) (24:00–26:02).
  • Amber, in a fit of rage, publicly defecates in the Bretts’ driveway in protest (25:31).
    • Kenneth Brett: “She proceeds to take a shit in his driveway.” (25:52)
• Police Involvement Intensifies:
  • Dozens of calls from both sides—officers are unable to resolve the root issues.
• The Fatal Night:
  • A lost dog triggers a violent encounter.
    • Joseph tries to shoo the Bretts off the property.
    • Accounts differ, but in the melee, Joseph is struck with a bat (allegedly by Kenneth, though both sides shift blame)—leading to his fatal injury.
    • Amber Perryman: “The first hit. I literally seen the life drain out of Joey's eyes. His eyes changed.” (39:20)

6. Aftermath & Reflections

(43:15 – End)

• Legal Consequences:
  • Kenneth Brett is arrested for homicide, pleads no contest to voluntary manslaughter, and is sentenced to five years in prison.
  • Both families eventually move away, haunted by the incident.
• Community Impact:
  • Neighbor Becky reflects: “I feel for both sides of the family because both families lost.” (43:15)
• Lessons Learned:
  • Kenneth Brett: “Life’s too short to let another person's decisions alter yours.” (43:32)
  • Amber Perryman: “It definitely makes me think before I react. I beat myself up feeling like it was maybe my fault.” (43:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Description | |-----------|-----------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:41 | Amanda Emery | “Flint is one of those cities that has a bad rap, but it has a lot of heart.” | | 07:19 | Amber Perryman | “I felt like Kenneth was uptight. I did. I felt like Kenneth thought he was better than us.” | | 09:27 | Neighbor Becky | “They would always have the driveway full of cars... it became an inconvenience.” | | 14:20 | Amber Perryman | (On lemonade stand/yard sale hypocrisy) “The girls can’t have a lemonade stand, but you can hawk all this junk. You’re a hypocrite.” | | 21:23 | Amber Perryman | “Yes, I did. I threw gravel at her car. Dirt and rocks.” | | 25:52 | Kenneth Brett | "She proceeds to take a shit in his driveway." | | 39:20 | Amber Perryman | "The first hit. I literally seen the life drain out of Joey's eyes. His eyes changed." | | 43:32 | Kenneth Brett | “Life’s too short to let another person's decisions alter yours.” | | 43:46 | Amber Perryman | “It definitely makes me think before I react. I beat myself up feeling like it was maybe my fault.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:41: Overview of Flint, MI, and the community’s desire for improvement.
• 05:49: Introduction of the two families and first impressions.
• 09:57: The Emmanuel revelation and additional tension.
• 13:18: Lemonade stand incident sparks further discord.
• 14:20–14:46: Amber disrupts Christina’s yard sale.
• 19:57: Pool destroyed, escalation of vandalism.
• 21:31: Amber spits on Christina—police become involved.
• 25:31: Amber defecates in Brett's driveway after incendiary accusations.
• 35:38: The climactic night—dog triggers brawl ending in fatality.
• 39:20–41:46: Aftermath—medical updates and divergent family accounts.
• 43:32–43:46: Final reflections and lessons from the tragedy.

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Tone and Style

Throughout, the tone is tense, raw, and rooted in the language and emotions of the participants. The episode uses direct, sometimes coarse statements to convey the gravity and authenticity of events.

• Amanda Emery’s narration sets the factual, somber background.
• Amber Perryman’s and Kenneth Brett’s voices are candid, emotionally charged, and at times defensive.
• Neighbor Becky’s contributions provide external perspective amid the chaos.
• The inclusion of real 911 audio adds to the sense of reality and immediacy.

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Conclusion

"Get Off My Property" is a harrowing example of how minor disputes, fueled by cultural misunderstandings and pride, can unravel into community-wide tragedies. The episode urges listeners to reflect before reacting, reminding us of the irreversible consequences that can arise from unresolved conflict and unchecked anger. Both families lose something irreplaceable, and the entire neighborhood is indelibly scarred—a sobering warning about the dangers lurking next door.

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Transcript

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Picture yourself alone in the middle of nowhere, and there's somebody following you.

[Kenneth Brett]

He went on his way, we so thought, and then we went on ours. But in reality, he really followed us up there.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

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[Amber Perryman]

Please tell me we're not gonna die.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Listen to Deadly Nightmares on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Most violent crimes that capture the public's imagination are about serial killers, mass shooters, crimes of passion, or clashes among underworld figures. Yet some of the most shocking and deadly conflicts we encounter are between everyday neighbors in ordinary neighborhoods. Their seemingly minor quibbles escalate until violence erupts and it impacts an entire community. What makes a good neighbor go bad? We may never truly know, but heed this warning about the terrible things that can happen when even the pettiest disagreements pass the point of no return and good neighbors become worst enemies. How can you sleep at night when the person you fear or hate the most lives right next door? The story you're about to hear all begins when a young family moves to a quiet residential area. They come in search of serenity and in the hopes of building a better life for their children. But Their arrival on the quiet street creates a clash of cultures and ignites a bitter feud which ends in an all out brawl between nine neighbors and culminates in a tragic and bloody death. This is fear thy neighbor. Get off my property. The year is 2016 and we're in Flint, Michigan. At its heart, it's a city of proud, industrious people. Just an hour outside of Detroit, Flint is best known for its history as a powerhouse of the American auto industry. Lately, this small Midwestern city is working hard to return to its former glory. Journalist Amanda Emery has covered stories in this town for years.

[Amanda Emery]

Flint is one of those cities that has a bad rap, but it has a lot of heart. The people want to make their city better and the community always comes together.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Starkweather street is one of the neighborhoods going through a revitalization of sorts. A friendly neighborhood comprised of modest homes and full of quiet, hardworking people. That's why Kim and Amber Perryman are moving into this two story detached house.

[Kenneth Brett]

Mom, she's not giving me the room. I want, I want it. I got it.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Hey girls.

[Kenneth Brett]

Girls, we talked about this, okay? Please go inside.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Kim and Amber moved to this neighborhood to provide a better future for their daughters. They used to live in a grittier part of the city. A downtown neighborhood with a high crime rate. Not the ideal place to raise two girls under 14. Kim Perryman knows this is a big step to take.

[Kenneth Brett]

We were more than excited to move in. It was definitely a fresh start for us.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And her wife Amber agrees.

[Amber Perryman]

I thought that buying the house would it be a big step for us.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And it's not just the four of them they have to worry about. Their extended family is as big and open as their hearts. The young couple also have invited Amber's mother Tammy to come and live with them. Here's Tammy now to explain.

[Amber Perryman]

I moved over there to help them with the kids.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

They've also invited an old friend named Joseph to come and live with them. The family has known Joseph for years. They they consider him family, a younger brother of sorts. So when they bought this house, they made room for him. He has a slight learning disability and a bit of a stutter, so the women are extra protective of him.

[Kenneth Brett]

If I could describe Joseph, I would have to literally compare him to a teddy bear. He's just so. He's sweet.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The Perrymans are moving in across the street from Kenneth and Christina Brett. The Brets are both factory workers in their 40s and have two daughters of their own, 11 year old Paige and 21 year old CeCe. While their house may look perfect from the outside, inside they deal with all the normal heartbreak and drama most families do.

[Kenneth Brett]

Cece, you coming out? She's still moody. That's what happens after a breakup. She'll get over it.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Cece has just broken up with her boyfriend, Emmanuel. Christina and Kenneth Brett are too concerned about their daughter to pay much attention to the new family moving in across the. But it's hard not to notice how many people are moving into a house much smaller than theirs.

[Kenneth Brett]

That place is going to be packed. Neighbors kind of kept to theirselves. They'd give a nice little hey.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It won't be long before a little hey between the families becomes a little hell. As the Perrymans settle in, the difference between the two households becomes apparent. Kenneth and Christina enjoy working on their property, but the Perrymans are too busy raising their young family to worry about landscaping.

[Kenneth Brett]

Raising girls is a handful. They fight over whose shirt it is. Who's got the brush? That's my bathing suit. That's my Barbie doll. And they always left their toys outside. But they were typical kids. They left stuff everywhere.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Their messy yard is a stark contrast to the way Kenneth and Christina keep up their property. And it's not a sight Kenneth is used to seeing. But Christina can't help but look at it with a twinge of nostalgia.

[Kenneth Brett]

Oh, come on. Remember what it's like when the girls were young. Well, at least we kept garbage in the house or the backyard.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Kenneth's looks from across the street are not lost on Amber.

[Amber Perryman]

I felt like Kenneth was uptight. I did. I felt like Kenneth thought he was better than us.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It's not just the mess that bothers Kenneth. It's also the noise.

[Amanda Emery]

The kids are outside. They're yelling. They're playing. It's just a lot of commotion. And that's something that the Brett's weren't used to.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The laughter of children is one thing, but the loud music is something else.

[Kenneth Brett]

Kenneth, I believe, is a rock and roll type of guy. We listen to all types of different music. R and B. Rat. Hey, turn it down, please. Hey. What the hell, man? Why are you shouting at me? Would it kill you to ask nicely? I asked you five times. Why are you so rude?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Sadly, the first conversation between these two neighbors starts off on the wrong foot. According to Amber, Kenneth was anything but calm.

[Amber Perryman]

Kenneth came outside and said some rude things.

[Kenneth Brett]

Turn the music down.

[Amber Perryman]

He was just looking at him like, but we're on our own property.

[Kenneth Brett]

I can do what I want.

[Amber Perryman]

At first I thought, okay, these people don't like us or even want us in this neighborhood.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Here's journalist Amanda Emery to explain why the Bretts may have reacted so negatively to the Perryman's music.

[Amanda Emery]

Starkweather was a quiet street, and then this new family moves in. They're playing music really loud outside. The kids are rambunctious. It's different than what these neighbors are used to.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

To make matters worse, the Perrymans pride themselves in being social and often host parties for family and friends.

[Amber Perryman]

I like to hang with my family, so I would have my family over at the house.

[Kenneth Brett]

I believe they resented us because we did have people over.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Becky, who lived on the same street, saw how this grew into a source of conflict between the two households. Because of the violence this story ends in. At her request, we have changed her name and digitally altered her voice to protect her identity.

[Neighbor Becky]

They would always have the driveway full of cars, so when they had an abundance of company, they would park out in front of their mailbox in the road. And that become an inconvenience for other neighbors trying to get in and out of their driveways because they didn't have enough room.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And a terrible coincidence is about to make matters between the families even worse. When Kenneth's daughter Cece comes outside to see what all the noise is about, she's shocked to see her ex boyfriend looking back at her from across the street.

[Amber Perryman]

Cross.

[Kenneth Brett]

Seriously?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It turns out Emmanuel is part of the Perryman family. Here's Kim and Amber to explain.

[Kenneth Brett]

Amber's cousin Emmanuel dated Kenneth Brett's daughter Cece.

[Amber Perryman]

It definitely was a messy, petty breakup for Kenneth.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The sight of the man who caused his daughter's heartache sends him over the edge. He decides to confront him.

[Kenneth Brett]

Kenneth, come back inside now.

[Amber Perryman]

I'm sure Kenneth didn't like Emmanuel.

[Kenneth Brett]

Leave my cousin alone. Cousin. Hey, you stay away from my daughter. And turn that stupid music down while you're at it. Who do you think you. Okay, that's enough.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

But just like Kenneth, Amber is loyal to her family.

[Kenneth Brett]

You go back inside your house, and you leave my family alone.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

When the party dies down, Kim and Amber question whether or not moving here was the right thing to do.

[Kenneth Brett]

Did we make a mistake? Was moving here a mistake? No. Don't forget why we came here. I don't like drama, but I also knew this is my home.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The Perrymans are determined to build a new life for themselves in the home they've chosen, no matter what the Bretts think or what they're accustomed to. And what they're accustomed to is a clean, quiet street. And as Far as they are concerned, the Perrymans have ruined that. Here's Becky again.

[Neighbor Becky]

It was always messy. Cans pop, bottles all over the yard, papers blowing everywhere. The debris would come out of their yard and blow, and then it would be in everybody else's yards. It was one of the worst yards in that neighborhood, I'll tell you that.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And Joseph's hobbies only add to the pile.

[Kenneth Brett]

Joseph would walk around and collect anything that he felt like was either gonna make something or he could make something from it. I called Joseph a tinker. Anything you gave him, he liked to work on. He didn't care what it was.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

As far as Kenneth is concerned, this little hobby is an eyesore. Add the loud music on top of it, and it' just too much for him to handle. Journalist Amanda Emery tells us what happens next.

[Amanda Emery]

According to the Perrymans, Joseph was outside working on his bicycle. He's playing loud music, kind of getting into it. And for Kenneth, this whole setup, it's loud, it's disrupting, and to him, it's unsightly.

[Kenneth Brett]

Come on, turn the music down. Kenneth came out, made a couple smart comments about his music.

[Neighbor Becky]

Hey, something wrong with you?

[Kenneth Brett]

Joseph ignored Kenneth for a good while before he finally had enough of him running his mouth. Shut the.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Shut the hell up, man.

[Kenneth Brett]

Go back in your house, man.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Hostility is growing on Starkweather street, but Kim and Amber are trying to not let it get to them. They stay focused on the reason they moved here in the first place. To give their girls the childhood they deserve. And one sunny afternoon, they give the girls one of the most idyllic experiences of living in a residential neighborhood. The chance to run a lemonade stand.

[Amber Perryman]

They came to me and Kim and asked us about a lemonade stand and said that they wanted to make some money, and me and Kim was all for it.

[Kenneth Brett]

What now do you have to put that there? They had a problem with them being out the end of our driveway. Why is it bugging you? It's at the end of our driveway. They're not in your driveway. It's a narrow street. You have people blocking the road. You got people stopping. So what? They're kids. What's your problem, Amber? Ignore her.

[Neighbor Becky]

It just seemed like it was always something going on.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And every little something adds to the growing feud, whether it's the Perryman's lemonade stand or the Brett's yard sale.

[Neighbor Becky]

Christina had yard sales at least twice a year.

[Kenneth Brett]

I found it very hypocritical that the Bretts would yell at us for a lemonade stand. And you're over there having a yard sale. What's any different?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And so, during one of Christina's yard sales, Amber decides to cross the street.

[Kenneth Brett]

The girls can't have a lemonade stand, but you can hawk all this junk. You're a hypocrite.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

But Christina doesn't bite.

[Kenneth Brett]

Seriously. Hey, continue shopping.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

She's gonna go.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'm talking to you.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

So Amber tries to get her attention in a different way. She kicks over the tables of the yard sale.

[Kenneth Brett]

Hey, stop it. Stop it.

[Amber Perryman]

I was very angry. I knocked stuff off tables.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber even kicks Christina's chalkboard sign over.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'll show you a. And she kicked the sign. I was like, here we go. You know, like, here we go. I wouldn't buy any of this crap.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It's probably infested.

[Neighbor Becky]

Amber was chasing off Christina's customers.

[Kenneth Brett]

What is wrong with you? It made the feud worse. It made the anxiety worse. I think it overall made the whole situation worse. Hey, get back here.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

As the antagonism between neighbors intensifies, Kim tries her best to keep the peace. She offers Kristina an apology and helps to clean up the mess her wife Amber left behind.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'm so sorry.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

I'll get that. Here's neighbor Becky again.

[Neighbor Becky]

Kim had come over and spoke to Kristina and her youngest daughter and told her that she was going to replace the chalkboard.

[Kenneth Brett]

I did pick the sign up, and I was like, christina, I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It won't happen again.

[Kenneth Brett]

She better not come back here. She won't.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Kim hopes her efforts will ease the tension between the two households. But it won't. The rift between households has become irreparable, and things are about to get much, much worse.

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[Paige Desorbo]

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[Hannah Berner]

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Picture yourself alone in the middle of nowhere and there's somebody following you.

[Kenneth Brett]

He went on his way, we so thought, and then we went on ours. But in reality, he really followed us up there.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

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[Amber Perryman]

Please tell me we're not gonna die.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

As the resentment continues to rise, so does the temperature. It's an unseasonably hot spring, and one afternoon in early May, the Perrymans decide to buy an inflatable pool for the kids.

[Amber Perryman]

I bought a $1,700 pool. The kids were so excited they could go swimming every day. They were happy.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

While the kids are thrilled at the arrival of this pool, there's just one problem, unfortunately.

[Kenneth Brett]

Our backyard. The people that lived there before, they had major holes in the back. So we put our pool in the front yard.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

While it may be a little unconventional to have a swimming pool in the front yard, the Perrymans are delighted to have a new activity. But meanwhile, across the street, the Bretts feel they are being punished with yet another addition to their neighbors unsightly yard.

[Kenneth Brett]

On the front lawn. He's got to be kidding me. The brats did not like it in the front yard. They said it was trashy. You got a problem. This is my yard. I pay my bills. You pay your bills. What I have over here shouldn't affect you.

[Amanda Emery]

I think that the pool being in the front yard angered Kenneth because in his opinion, it was an eyesore.

[Kenneth Brett]

I didn't really care what they thought. My kids were happy. They were enjoying their summer.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The happiness Is short lived. When the children run outside to play the next morning, they are shocked by what they see. The inflatable pool has been shredded to bits and their yard has been trashed. Kim explains the site.

[Kenneth Brett]

The whole pool was sliced open. Almost, I want to say halfway around the pool just sliced it.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber's mother, Tammy, runs outside to see what is scaring her grandchildren.

[Amber Perryman]

They threw the chairs in the pool, destroying things in the yard, Knocked over the barbecue grill.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Even though they can't prove it, they believe the Brets are responsible.

[Kenneth Brett]

It definitely was an act of intimidation. They were definitely trying to send a message. You won't get away with this.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber, take it easy.

[Amber Perryman]

I was instantly angry about it. My mom kept talking me down, talking me out of not going over there because I wasn't gonna go over there.

[Kenneth Brett]

You won't get away with this.

[Amber Perryman]

Amber, take it easy.

[Kenneth Brett]

I said you won't get away with this.

[Amber Perryman]

Um, what's happening?

[Kenneth Brett]

What's your problem? I said, what's your problem? I'm talking to you.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And just like the last time, Amber's rage gets the better of her. Furious with the perceived destruction of her property and annoyed at being ignored, Amber escalates the argument to a dangerous level. She picks up a rock and whips it.

[Neighbor Becky]

Amber did draw, probably not just rocks, but probably a couple handfuls of gravel out of her driveway. At Christina's oldest daughter.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'm talking to you.

[Amber Perryman]

Yes, I did. I threw gravel at her car. Dirt and rocks.

[Kenneth Brett]

Will you leave me alone? You what? What? What are you gonna call me?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber doesn't wait for an answer. Instead, she spits in her neighbor's face.

[Kenneth Brett]

Hey. What is wrong with you?

[Amber Perryman]

Yes, I did spit on Christina. Very angry. I was feeling at that moment. I was just fed up with their bullshit. I was giving them the reaction I think they were trying to get from me.

[Kenneth Brett]

Unbelievable.

[Neighbor Becky]

At that point in time, I can only imagine how she was feeling. But even at that point, she probably could have started a physical altercation, but she did not.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Christina calls the police. What you are about to hear is the actual 911 call placed by Christina.

[Amber Perryman]

Brett County. County 911. Hi, is there any way you can send a cruiser out to Darkweather street, please?

[Kenneth Brett]

Something's gotta be done today. I'm 42. I'm out there in the street. She spits on me. The woman spit on me. Okay, all right, I'm gonna go ahead.

[Amber Perryman]

And send an officer over there, okay?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

When the police arrive, they get an earful from both sides of the street. They're the nuisance, not me. I don't know what's going on around.

[Kenneth Brett]

Here, but you need to take it easy.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Consider this a warning. Instead, the tension lingers in the air. In fact, it festers. And on May 28, 2016, the feud escalates to a whole new level. This Memorial Day weekend is an unusual scorcher, but the Perryman girls are keeping cool.

[Kenneth Brett]

It was a hot day outside, so the kids were outside. They're in their bathing suits.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It's hot down a pool. The young girls are now chasing each other around the front yard, squirting each other with water bottles.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'm gonna get you.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And the Brets don't like what they see.

[Kenneth Brett]

Do you see the mess they're making?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Journalist Amanda Emery explains what happens next.

[Amanda Emery]

They're being loud and rambunctious. There's water bottles everywhere. And who's gonna clean that up? From what we know, Kenneth comes over and tells them to knock it off.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And this is where it gets complicated. When the girls run inside, they find Kim and their grandmother Tammy in the kitchen. And they tell them, kenneth said more than just clean up your mess.

[Kenneth Brett]

Mom. Kenneth, make a comment to my children. An inappropriate comment to my children. Mom, what's going on?

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

They need.

[Kenneth Brett]

Sabre has been saying really weird stuff to us.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

I should warn you. The following accusation is disturbing and disputed by the Bretts.

[Kenneth Brett]

So Kenneth walks up and he tells Kayanna, you look good in that bathing suit, but you look even better out of it. What? It made me feel irate. I wanted to forget about police, and I wanted to go over there and handle myself.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

No one wants to hear. Their child may have been spoken to that way. But Tammy is worried about what would happen if word gets back to Amber. After all, she's already on the brink.

[Amber Perryman]

Don't tell Amber.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

She's gonna lose it.

[Kenneth Brett]

Don't say it too loud. I don't want Amber to hear, because it'll go a whole nother way.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

But it's too late. Amber is in the next room, and she's overheard the whole thing.

[Kenneth Brett]

She sees red. And you can't tell her nothing.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber.

[Kenneth Brett]

Amber. Amber.

[Amber Perryman]

No.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Amber.

[Amber Perryman]

And before we know it, Amber was across the street.

[Kenneth Brett]

Hey. Hey. Get out here, you pervert.

[Amber Perryman]

It made me feel like I couldn't protect my daughter. And it made me very, very angry.

[Kenneth Brett]

What do you want? What did you say to my girls? I told them to pick up their water bottles. They're making a mess.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

While the Perrymans are disgusted and furious over Kenneth's alleged comments, neighbor Becky has her doubts.

[Neighbor Becky]

I do believe that. He would never say anything like that.

[Kenneth Brett]

Sick. Hey, listen to me. I know what you think of us. You think we're pieces of crap. You said it, not me. You want crap?

[Amber Perryman]

Dynamis what I think of you? You're a piece of shit.

[Kenneth Brett]

I'll show you crap.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And Amber isn't kidding. She literally shows it to him right there in front of their front door, in front of. In front of everyone. Amber unbuckles her belt, unzips her fly, takes down her pants, squats and. Well, Kim and Amber will tell us in their own words.

[Kenneth Brett]

So you want to be a sick fucker? I'm going to show you a sick fucker. She proceeds to take a shit in his driveway.

[Amber Perryman]

I definitely, you know, snapped out for a minute.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Yes, this really happened.

[Kenneth Brett]

Amber, what are you doing? Get back in the house. He's a perv. We're living next to a sex pervert. Watch out for your kids.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Despite Amber's shocking behavior, she and Kim are the ones who call the police and accuse Kenneth of lewd behavior. Still, Kenneth continues to deny he ever said anything inappropriate to the two young girls.

[Kenneth Brett]

I would never, ever say anything like that. Never.

[Amanda Emery]

Kenneth denied it. They said that this didn't happen.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And the Bretts have their own story to tell. Police officers.

[Kenneth Brett]

I don't know what's wrong with them. You know what she tried to do.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

We know what she did.

[Kenneth Brett]

He was completely inappropriate with my daughter. Look, that's not what he says he said to them.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And we can't prove otherwise.

[Kenneth Brett]

And you should be grateful that we're.

[Neighbor Becky]

Not taking you in for your little stunt.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Once again, the police leave. No charges are laid and nothing is solved. In fact, things seem to have reached an all time low.

[Amanda Emery]

With all of the incidents that have happened thus far, the tension between these two neighbors is definitely growing.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Memorial Day weekend got off to a nasty start for people living on Starkweather Street. Amber and Kim Perryman moved here to build a better life for their children. Together with Amber's mom and their good friend Joseph, they are determined to stand their ground. They will not back down in the face of the hostility they feel from across the street. But the Brets feel like the arrival of the Perryman clan has destroyed their way of life. They aren't going anywhere either. No amount of hostility is going to drive them out of the neighborhood. The animosity between them is making life difficult for everyone in the neighborhood. Here's Amber's mom, Tammy.

[Amber Perryman]

You had to just kind of walk on eggshells. At times, because you didn't want to get it started.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

On the last day of the holiday weekend, Kenneth and Christina are setting up for a party in their backyard. They've had it planned for weeks, but now, due to recent events, the tension in the air is giving Christina second thoughts.

[Kenneth Brett]

Maybe we should just cancel. No way. Hey, we're not going to let them ruin our day.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Across the street, just a stone's throw away, the Perrymans are also getting ready for a gathering of friends and family. Here's Amber Perryman.

[Amber Perryman]

It was, like, Hawaiian themed. We had leis, we had decorations. The kids wore little hula skirts and stuff like that. It looked nice. It really did. I was expecting a great weekend with my family and.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

But as is often the case, the Brets are unimpressed by the recent display of what they perceive as mess on their neighbor's lawn.

[Kenneth Brett]

Ignore them, Kenneth. Just ignore. Oh, these people.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

As Christina and Kenneth's friends drop by, the Perrymans turn up the music. Mickey is an old friend of Kenneth's, and he shares his views of his neighbors.

[Kenneth Brett]

Mickey, how you doing? Ah, how's it going, buddy? Good to see you, man. The hell's that over there, huh?

[Amber Perryman]

I think Kenneth definitely tried to talk down on us to the people at his house and his friends and family that was there.

[Kenneth Brett]

What's your problem this time, huh? Amber, ignore it. Don't worry about it. Come on, school.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The Perrymans turn up their music even more. Picking up on what he perceives as a subtle jab at his friends, Mickey decides to fight fire with fire. He turns up the music in the Brett family yard.

[Kenneth Brett]

Only one way to fight that, huh?

[Amber Perryman]

They were in the back their backyard and stuff, and they were playing rock music. Was it super loud? Well, I could hear it in my front yard, so I would say it was loud.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

So the Perrymans turn up their music again, and the Brets respond by turning theirs up even louder. And the Perrymans do the same again until Christina is the first one to have enough and call the cops. Kim Perryman tells us how they reacted when they arrived.

[Kenneth Brett]

They can call the police on us, but we can't call on them. He said, well, you know, you can go over there respectfully, as a neighbor, ask them to turn it down.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And when the police go to the Brett's house, the reception they get isn't much better.

[Kenneth Brett]

Listen to that.

[Neighbor Becky]

We have to put up with that.

[Kenneth Brett]

Day in and day out. We're having a party.

[Neighbor Becky]

So what?

[Kenneth Brett]

It was just a hot mess. But the police officer said, technically, there's Nothing that we can do. Just find a way to make it work.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Okay, but on this block, that's easier said than done.

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

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[Neighbor Becky]

So I turned to Acast. I used their smart recommendations feature to easily find shows that talk about health and fitness. Booking sponsorships through their platform was a breeze.

[Kenneth Brett]

And just like that, my app was.

[Neighbor Becky]

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Sounds like a smart move, Russell.

[Kenneth Brett]

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[Neighbor Becky]

Sweat is pouring, and so are the installs.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

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[Kenneth Brett]

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[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Everybody is let off with a warning. But that doesn't stop these feuding neighbors from contacting police. As the night drags on, they call the police again and again and again.

[Kenneth Brett]

You won't believe what he's calling us. The language he's using in front of my kids. It's disgusting. No, they're getting out of hand. You've got to do something. They've been bothering our family ever since we moved in. This is harassment. They never shut up.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The police are called dozens of times that day from both sides of the street. These are two of the calls Christina made.

[Kenneth Brett]

Tennessee County, 911. I'm just calling a reference to a call that was made earlier, and I've.

[Amber Perryman]

Already had your officer out here. Nothing got accomplished. The Tennessee County. There's still a problem over here and.

[Kenneth Brett]

It'S not been taken care of. I want to speak to somebody that can do something for me.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Neighborhood resident Becky, who lived on the street, saw how it escalated. And a reminder that we have changed her name and voice at her request to protect her identity.

[Neighbor Becky]

They just told the brats, you stay on your side. They told the Perrymen, stay on your side. If we have to come out again, somebody's going to go to jail.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Until finally, Amber's mother, Tammy, reaches her breaking point.

[Kenneth Brett]

That's enough. This isn't getting us anywhere.

[Amber Perryman]

Let's just go inside. I told the kids, just forget it. We're going in. I'm not doing this. I'm not going to do this all night. Pack it up.

[Kenneth Brett]

We're going in. Yeah, you're right. Let them be idiots.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The Bretts and their friends take the Perryman's retreat indoors as a sign of victory. Scots for a dragger.

[Kenneth Brett]

Hell, yes. All right, buddy, line them up. Come on. Shot o'. Clock.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

As the Bretts and their friends fuel up for a late night, the Perryman settle in for a quiet one. Kim and Amber put on a movie for the kids and snuggle up on the sofa together. Tammy goes upstairs and closes the door to her room. The day's events have taken a toll on her.

[Amber Perryman]

I went in to lay down because my head was pounding. I had a headache from dealing with the crap all day.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

But a gentle knock at her bedroom door begins a series of shocking events.

[Amber Perryman]

And Joey came in and asked me, did I need anything.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

You want a soda?

[Kenneth Brett]

I'm going to the store.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Like everyone else in the household, Tammy is protective of Joseph. The thought of Joey going out to with all the tension and animosity in the air worries her.

[Amber Perryman]

I really wish you wouldn't.

[Kenneth Brett]

It'll be fine.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It'll be fine.

[Kenneth Brett]

He was like, man, I'm not worried about them. I'm just gonna walk to the store. I heard the front door open.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And here's when the feud explodes. Just as Joey steps outside, the Brett's dog, Buck comes running out of their yard. He runs like a bullet towards the Perryman's house, towards Joey. Christina chases after him.

[Kenneth Brett]

Buck. Buck, get back here.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Kenneth, Cece and their family friend Mickey are hot on her heels. They may be chasing their Dog. But what Joey sees is the whole Brett clan charging over towards him.

[Amber Perryman]

Hey, hey, hey. Get off my property.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Kim and Amber can hear Joey's terrified voice from inside the house.

[Kenneth Brett]

All I say to her was Joe say, get off my property. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Get off my property.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Tammy hears him too, and rushes to the door to see what's going on. And what she sees is Joey standing off against the Brett clan. What you're about to hear is the Perryman's version of the horrific events that followed.

[Amber Perryman]

I saw Kenneth, I saw his wife, I saw his daughter and another male. They were all just completely wasted, drunk. His wife was outside. She could barely walk. Kenneth had a baseball bat. And I yelled out to Joey, Joseph, no. I seen Kenneth raise the baseball bat up above his head.

[Kenneth Brett]

Get off my pocket. Bam. Hit Joseph dead in his head. Joseph fell to the ground. Kenneth proceeded to hit him two more times after he fell to the ground, just cracking. Just bam. Bam.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Tammy rushes outside to protect Joey, who is bleeding heavily. There's a moment of panic as he lies there unable to move.

[Amber Perryman]

Get away.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And that's when Kim and Amber rush outside as well. Seeing their friend Joey lying motionless and bloody is enough to set Amber off.

[Amber Perryman]

Christina thought she was gonna try to run up and kick Joseph while he was down. I hit her several times.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

It's an all out brawl right there on the front lawn.

[Amber Perryman]

It was my family and Kenneth. Christina, Cece, Kenneth's friend, is who I.

[Neighbor Becky]

Remember at that point. Everybody was hitting everybody.

[Kenneth Brett]

Get off of her.

[Neighbor Becky]

Get off.

[Amber Perryman]

Everything was just happening so fast.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The fight is so loud and so violent that it draws out the other neighbors on the street. Here's journalist Amanda Emery.

[Amanda Emery]

I would say the scene on Starkweather that night was one of complete terror. Everything finally boiled over. I think that both families probably felt antagonized because there had been so much bickering back and forth and insults and threats. And also they were doing all these things like they had been calling 911 all day. So this was just another piece of the puzzle.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Horrified neighbors called the police en masse. And this is one of the actual calls to 911 that was placed that night.

[Kenneth Brett]

Genesee County 911.

[Amber Perryman]

Yeah, I'm calling about a big disturbance on just around the corner. Somebody. There's fighting and screaming going on.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And one call even has an ominous warning.

[Kenneth Brett]

Get it, Elsa over there.

[Amber Perryman]

Well, I hope somebody comes pretty soon.

[Kenneth Brett]

They're out there fighting all the time.

[Amber Perryman]

Somebody's gonna get killed, I'm telling you.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

When the police arrive, the fight is still going strong. Christina has been beaten unconscious. She lies on the ground several feet away from Joseph, who is still bleeding profusely, doing everything in her power to stop him from drifting unconscious.

[Amber Perryman]

But I was too late. That first hit. I literally seen the life drain out of Joey's eyes. His eyes changed.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The police break up the fight and while Christina and Joseph are rushed to the hospital, they try to sort out what happened. Unsurprisingly, they hear a very different version of events from the Brett's point of view. They claim the Perrymans started the fight. Here's the neighbor, Becky again. She wasn't there the night of the fight, but the Brets filled her in afterwards.

[Neighbor Becky]

The fence got open at the Brett's premises and their dog got out and ran across the street to the Pyramids and went into the yard. And so Christina then took it upon herself to walk over to get the dog.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And that's when she saw Joseph.

[Kenneth Brett]

Hey, I'm here for the dog. I'm warning you.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

According to the Bretts, Kenneth didn't walk over armed with a baseball bat. They claim the bat was one of many toys littered across the Perryman's yard and that Joseph picked it up and threatened Kristina. Here's Becky again.

[Neighbor Becky]

Christina then heard Joseph say, don't come up in my yard because I'm going to beat you to death with the ball bat. And that's when Joseph beat her unconscious to the ground. After that, there was the ball bat. There was regular fist flying.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

And there's one more major discrepancy between the recollection of events and in the Brett's version of events. It wasn't Kenneth that hit Joseph over the head with a baseball bat. It was Amber.

[Neighbor Becky]

Amber was trying to hit Kenneth with the ball bat and miss Kenneth and struck Joseph.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

However it happened, the result is the same. Christina makes a full recovery. But Joseph isn't so lucky. The extent of his injuries are severe.

[Amber Perryman]

He said Joseph's brain was shifted 3 cm to the right. He had bleeding on the brain and it was very swollen. He told us he was brain dead. There was no brain waves. He would never recover.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

His family has to make a devastating choice. Here's his biological sister, Shirley.

[Kenneth Brett]

The decision over Jolseph was to either keep him alive on a vent for.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The rest of his life or turn off the machine. I ultimately let him go peacefully.

[Amber Perryman]

He was super gentle. He was a really good kid. And what happened to him should have never happened to him. He didn't deserve it.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Neither Side takes responsibility for wielding the bat that killed Joseph that night or even starting the fight in the first place. But ultimately, Kenneth Brett is arrested and charged with homicide. He eventually pleads no contest to voluntary manslaughter and is sentenced to five years in prison.

[Amanda Emery]

Now, what it means when you plead no contest is that you acknowledge the punishment for the crime, but you don't actually admit any kind of guilt.

[Amber Perryman]

I don't know how that's. My joy was gone forever.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

The tragedy of Joseph's death is undeniable and affects the entire neighborhood. Even the breaths are gutted by his violent passing. The memories of what happened that night and the tension that led to it become unbearable. Both families eventually move away from Starkweather Street. But leaving it behind doesn't ease the pain of what happened.

[Neighbor Becky]

I feel for both sides of the family because both families lost. I've lost contact with Christina, but I believe that they have left state.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

That tragic night changed Kim and Amber's life forever. But they hope that there's a lesson to be learned from the traumatic events.

[Kenneth Brett]

Man, take life serious. You know, if you feel you're in a situation, don't act, because you never know what the next person will do. Life's too short to let another person's decisions alter yours.

[Amber Perryman]

It definitely makes me think before I react. I beat myself up feeling like it was maybe my fault. It's been really hard not having Joseph around. He's my best friend, my baby brother.

[Narrator / Amanda Emery]

Fear Thy Neighbor is produced by Cream Productions in association with Fremantle Media for ID at Warner Bros. Discovery ID executive producer is Keela Widdard. Executive producers at Cream Productions are Johnny Kulangas, Jeffrey Hirschfield, Kate Harrison, Carmen and David Brady. Our producer is Dan Magness. Our associate producer is Betty Johnson. Our audio producer is Asha Dillon. Our audio coordinator is is Sahira Seth. Our mix engineer is Mike Basanti. Our mix assistant is Aiden. Cade Goldsmith. Our recording engineer is Ben Steiner at Full English Post. The Fear Thy Neighbor theme was composed by me and John. Our music was composed by Simon Poole. Our writers are Jeffrey Hirschfield, Betty Johnson, Armin Kazesian, and Mark Ellis. And I'm Janice Morgan.

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