What's Mine is Mine

Summary

Fear Thy Neighbor: "What's Mine is Mine"

Podcast: Fear Thy Neighbor
Host: Janice (ID)
Episode: What's Mine is Mine
Release Date: July 6, 2026

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Overview:

This episode of Fear Thy Neighbor recounts the real-life nightmare of a retired couple, Robin and Jerry Wilson, who move into their dream home in Danville, Virginia, only to become the target of their obsessive neighbor, Herbert Snipes, over a property dispute. What starts as petty disagreements over perceived property lines spirals into sustained harassment, delusion, and ultimately deadly violence. The story is told through interviews with Robin Wilson, law enforcement, and community members, capturing both the everyday innocence of the couple’s dream and the chilling descent into fear and tragedy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights:

1. Setting the Scene: Idyllic Beginnings in Danville

• Danville Overview: Small southern community, “nice place to raise a family.”
  • Tom Marix: “Danville's a great place to live… They’ve rebranded the city.” (03:15)
  • Joseph Barrier: “It's a small town… a nice place to raise a family.” (03:31)
• Meet the Wilsons: Robin and Jerry, lifelong partners looking forward to retirement.
  • Robin: “He was a gentle giant, so charming and debonair… always wanted to go back to where he started from.” (04:05)
• Dream Home Arrival: Jerry surprises Robin with her dream house as a Mother’s Day gift.
  • Robin: “He said he just bought the house and I was so excited. It was my Mother's Day present.” (05:23)

2. Neighborhood Dynamics & Initial Tensions

• Friendly Neighbors: Herbert “Pee Wee” Snipes and wife Mary welcome the Wilsons.
  • Robin: “She was so nice and sweet and pleasant.” (05:55)
  • Early camaraderie: Jerry and Herbert discuss home repairs (06:40)
• Yard Work and First Friction:
  • Robin: “My husband put on the jumpsuit… it just had to be beautiful.” (07:11)
  • Herbert objects, claiming they’re mowing on his property.
    • Herbert: “Shouldn’t be mowing there. Can’t mow there. That’s mine.” (07:34)
    • John Crane: “Snipes thought that they were mowing on his property.” (07:39)

3. Escalating Property Dispute

• Pattern of Accusations: Herbert continually claims the Wilsons are trespassing and parking on his land.

  • “He was claiming that our house was on his property…” (09:26)
  • “He didn't believe the Wilsons had any property behind him.” (08:28)

• Repeated Official Verifications:

  • Robin and city surveyors confirm the Wilsons’ legal ownership several times. (10:45, 14:39)
  • Herbert dismisses all documentation:
    • “You did it wrong. That can’t be right.” (14:51)
    • “He would be totally upset because they're not agreeing with him.” (14:54)

• Long-Running Delusion:

  • Joseph Barrier: “No matter how many times people told him… he didn’t accept it.” (15:06)

4. Harassment Intensifies

• Snipes’ Behavior: Stares down the Wilsons, surveils them, calls city officials and police obsessively.
  • Robin: “Sitting on the porch. He’ll ride past in his truck, and mean mug…” (15:39)
  • Tom Marix: “Robin and Jerry just wanted to be left alone… They didn't want to be bothered with it.” (15:23)
• Marriage Strain and Isolation:
  • Snipes’ wife, Mary, leaves due to his obsession:
    • “She ended up leaving because I guess it was too much for her… When she left, he just went full speed ahead.” (16:37)
  • Herbert’s delusions escalate in her absence.

5. Accusations Involving Dogs and Guns

• Dog Incidents:
  • Herbert accuses Jerry of siccing pit bulls on him; Robin insists they’re innocent.
    • “He sicked them on me. They’re man eaters.” (18:22, Herbert Snipes)
    • “My husband never ever… stick our dogs on anybody.” (18:57, Robin)
• Threats Involving Firearms:
  • Both neighbors are armed and open about it, heightening tension.
    • “Jerry Wilson had two handguns… responsible gun owner.” (20:09, Joseph Barrier)
    • “Herbert had a 22 caliber long rifle… at easy access to the front door.” (21:00)
  • Herbert accuses Jerry of intimidation with guns, Robin says her husband was only cleaning them.

6. Psychological and Community Response

• Mental Health Concerns:
  • Family and community realize Herbert’s beliefs are unshakable and delusional, compounded by lack of education and increasing isolation.
    • John Crane: “He only had a third grade education… could have affected his understanding.” (37:43)
    • Robin: “He need to be in a mental institution. Something just ain’t right.” (25:05)
• Official Dead Ends:
  • Multiple appeals to city, state, even a letter to President Obama, all return the same answer: Herbert owns only his land.
    • Response from White House: “This matter should be taken up at City Hall.” (22:43, read by Robin Wilson)
  • “Everyone gave him the same answer… He would end up saying, well, I guess you’re wrong too.” (21:56, Joseph Barrier)

7. Climax: The Fatal Confrontation

• Rising Hostility:
  • Exchanges become more mocking and confrontational—both Herbert and Jerry taunt each other.
    • “Yo, Peewee, is that your mom calling? Huh?... Go to hell, Wilson. You little shrimp.” (28:28, Herbert Snipes)
  • Herbert makes an ominous statement at City Hall:
    • “What happens if I just kill him?” (32:35, Herbert Snipes)
  • Robin senses a new, dangerous shift:
    • “It had got to the point where it was like a different look in his eyes, like he could kill somebody.” (32:47)
• The Shooting (July 26, 2017):
  • After another dispute, Herbert retrieves his rifle and shoots Jerry through the storm door.
    • “I shot Jerry Wilson.” (35:21, Herbert Snipes)
  • Jerry dies from the gunshot wound before paramedics can save him.

8. Aftermath and Legal Outcome

• Herbert's Defense & Mental Evaluation:
  • Claims self-defense, insists he thought Jerry was going for a gun.
    • “He said he thought Jerry Wilson was going to get a gun and come after him.” (36:27, John Crane)
  • Psychological evaluation finds delusional thinking but fit to stand trial.
    • “He at every point seemed to understand exactly what he had done, that it was wrong…now there were consequences.” (38:08, Joseph Barrier)
• Verdict and Sentencing:
  • Jury is convinced by evidence of premeditation, including Herbert’s earlier question at City Hall.
    • “The verdict was guilty as charged. The sentence was 20 years for the first degree murder and three years for the use of the firearm.” (39:10, Joseph Barrier)
• Robin’s Grief:
  • “Even though he went to jail and he's never going to get out, I just don't feel like justice has been done. You know, my husband ain't here.” (39:25, Robin Wilson)
  • She remains in the house, living with loss:
    • “You know how sometimes you wish you could just turn back the hands of time and start all over and fix things, But I have to move forward, even though every day it hurts.” (40:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Shouldn’t be mowing there. Can’t mow there. That’s mine.” — Herbert Snipes, (07:34)
• “We went to the city and the property’s ours. It’s because you took it. You took it.” — Herbert Snipes, (13:34)
• “He would be totally upset because they're not agreeing with him.” — Robin Wilson, (14:54)
• “He need to be in a mental institution. Something just ain’t right.” — Robin Wilson, (25:05)
• “What happens if I just kill him?” — Herbert Snipes, (32:35)
• “I shot Jerry Wilson.” — Herbert Snipes, (35:21)
• “Even though he went to jail and he's never going to get out, I just don't feel like justice has been done. You know, my husband ain't here.” — Robin Wilson, (39:25)
• “The main victim is Robin Wilson, because Robin is without her soulmate and she’s left to deal with all of this.” — Tom Marix, (39:34)

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Segment Timestamps

• Idyllic Introduction / Wilsons Move In: 01:44–06:03
• Tension Begins: Mowing Dispute: 07:06–08:08
• Escalation of Disputes: 08:14–12:20
• Legal Verifications & Herbert’s Delusion: 13:04–15:17
• Harassment & Mental Deterioration: 15:23–17:13
• Family Strain & Snipes Isolated: 17:13–18:12
• Dogs and Firearms: 18:12–21:06
• Political Appeals & Delusion Deepens: 22:01–25:05
• Mocking & Overt Hostility: 28:28–29:12
• Threat at City Hall: 32:17–32:54
• The Shooting: 32:54–35:44
• Investigation, Trial & Verdict: 36:00–39:25
• Robin’s Ongoing Grief: 39:56–40:19

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Conclusion

"What's Mine is Mine" serves as a powerful cautionary tale of how mental health, obsessive thinking, and unchecked neighborly disputes can escalate into real danger, with tragic and irreversible consequences. The episode’s gripping, first-hand storytelling and chilling progression from minor squabbles to murder illustrate the unpredictability of seemingly ordinary conflicts—and the devastating impact on those caught in their wake.

Transcript

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

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[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Most violent crimes that capture the public's imagination are about serial killers, mass shooters, or crimes of passion. Yet some of the most shocking conflicts we encounter are between everyday neighbors in ordinary neighborhoods. What makes a good neighbor go bad? We may never truly know, but heed this warning about the terrible things that can happen when even the pettiest disagreements pass the point of no return. Today's story centers on a retiring couple in a picturesque town who have just bought their dream home in the same neighborhood where they've long resided. Their new, same aged neighbors give them a warm welcome and the stage is set for idyllic golden years ahead. But the golden years of both households begin to tarnish when a property dispute plunges them into a full blown feud. No amount of argument, intimidation, threats or appeals to authority can pull the dispute Back from the rage fueled brink. Only bullets, bloodshed and ruined lives will finally end it. This is fear thy neighbor. What's mine is mine. Danville, Virginia is the kind of place you want to come home to. Tom Marix is a former police captain here.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Danville's a great place to live. It's a small southern community, probably about 38,000 people. You know, everybody pretty much knows everyone. It has had its share of problems, but now it's on the way back up. They've rebranded the city.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

It's a small town in south central Virginia. It's a nice place to raise a family.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

That was former prosecutor Joseph Barrier. And here is Robin Wilson, a neighbor at the heart of this story.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

It has a Pepsi building and a lot of brick, you know, the cobblestone streets, a lot of coffee shops. I just felt totally safe.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robyn and her husband Jerry have called Danville home for over 15 years and they've been together even longer. To hear her tell it, it was love at first sight.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I met my husband in 1976 in New York City. He was a gentle giant, so charming and debonair, I couldn't resist. He was originally from Danville and he always wanted to go back to where he started from.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

With their two kids now grown and gone, Robin and Jerry are getting ready to retire and looking forward to relaxing with their dogs, pit bulls, Snoop and Feisty.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband, he was working at Goodyear and I was at a call center. It was intense, but when I got home, it was like, you know, in my home and happy.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The couple have long admired a particular house in their neighborhood near to them on Cabell Street.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He was always looking at that house because we would walk our dogs past there. It was just something I've always wanted. It has a wraparound porch, architectural detail. It's a beautiful home.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

One day, while the pair are out on their regular walk, Jerry gives Robin the surprise of a lifetime. He presents his wife with a deed of sale for the home she's admired for years.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

No, you didn't. Jerry.

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Jerry.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He said he just bought the house and I was so excited. It was my Mother's Day present. I was just so elated.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The Wilsons soon move, settle into their new home and begin living their retirement dream.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

We got it all, baby. We do.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

We do.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I was so happy in the house and, you know, we were doing things. We were going out buying furniture and I was feeling pretty good.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Their new next door neighbors are retired contractor Herbert Snipes and his wife Maeve.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Hey, moms.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband Actually used to call her moms. I called her Miss Mary. She was so nice and sweet and pleasant.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert is a lifelong resident of Danville. He purchased his home back in the 1970s years before meeting his partner, reporter John Crane explains.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert and Mary Snipes didn't have any children, but Herbert had quite a few siblings, so his nieces and nephews became kind of like children to him. His name was Herbert, but his close friends and family called him Pee Wee.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Hey, Pee Wee, want to talk about that job next week? Anytime you like, Jerry.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Just haul. As the Wilsons settle into their new digs, the two men appear to hit it off.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband had spoken to him before about doing some work on our house.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He was friendly and kind and I guess always there, ready to help when they needed it. When the Wilsons first moved in, I don't think they had any real difficulties with each other.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

The two houses were pretty close together, with the driveway that came up from the back of the property between the two houses.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

The Wilsons liked keeping up their property, doing yard work, taking care of their land.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband put on the jumpsuit, and he would go out there, and it just had to be just beautiful.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Yet something about Jerry's dedicated yard maintenance proves annoying to Herbert.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

All of a sudden, out of the blue, he looked grumpy. He just looked like a mean old man.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Shouldn't be mowing there. Can't mow there. That's mine.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Snipes thought that they were mowing on his property.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Come on, man. You know this is mine.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

That a section of their backyard might actually belong to their neighbor is newest to the Wilsons. But regardless, Robyn is focused on the beauty of her new home and is determined not to let this get to her. She blows off Herbert's remarks.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I just told my husband to ignore him because I didn't think that it was serious. When you reach a certain age, you just look grumpy.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

But they soon come to realize Herbert's bizarre claim isn't a bug. It's. It's a feature.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

No. No, Jerry, no. Geez, what now?

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband was getting frustrated because if we parked in our backyard, he would say that all of that property over there was his, too.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He didn't believe that the Wilsons had any property behind him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

It's my property. He can't park there.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Mr. Snipes apparently believed that he owned all of that property.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You move this car, and you move it now.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

And this was a situation where Mr. Snipes had in his mind that he was right and Nobody else was.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

By all accounts, Jerry is an easygoing guy, but this is just the kind of thing that will get under his skin. Herbert's posturing is all a bit too much for Jerry. So he decides to confront it head on and set the record straight about the property lines.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You don't own this property. You. Yeah, I do. No, you don't. Herbert.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Let's go in.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

It's my property and I'll park here. If I want my deed, I'll show you it's mine.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert had a deed from the 70s that he thought conveyed both his parcel and the Wilson parcel to him.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He was claiming that our house was on his property, like they built it on his property. It made me really nervous. It did.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Okay, we'll just have to check RD then, Mr. Snipes.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Okay.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robyn heads to City hall to confirm the deed to her and Jerry's land is accurate. But while she's there, a legal secretary gives her some disturbing news. You live at 529 Cabell street when

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I gave her the address and she was like, oh my God, I don't know how you live next door to this. Cause he's down here all the time.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robyn learns that Herbert's obsession with the property lines started long before she and her husband moved in.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert did have issues with the family that the Wilsons purchased the home from. He went to various officials at City hall on more than one occasion.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

It was always about the property, the same exact issue. So that means that this has been going on for years and years and years and years.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

So your property runs parallel to his, just as far back, and you have legal access through the alley at the

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

back of the property as well. Okay, thank you very much.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

They had a deed that conveyed to them exactly their property as they believed it was.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Our deed's rights.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

And he's been saying it isn't fruit

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

years without realizing it. The Wilsons have placed themselves square in the middle of a toxic, long standing land ownership feud. And it's one that's just ramping up.

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[Janice (Podcast Host)]

With their newly validated deed in hand, the Wilsons put an end to Herbert's misconceptions.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Look at it, Pee Wee. It says it, plain and simple.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I don't care. My husband was getting frustrated with it.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

I don't think Jerry Wilson would have been at all threatened by Herbert Snipes. Jerry Wilson was former military, so I don't think he was intimidated at all. Jerry Wilson wasn't one to back down, so confrontations were inevitably going to arise.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Get off my land. We went to the city and the property's ours. It's because you took it. You took it. It's our house. You took our house.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He told my husband that he stole that property from him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

We bought this property from the previous neighbors. It wasn't theirs to sell. It's mine and I want it back.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I said, this is getting to the point where it's harassing.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Reporter John Crane and former police captain Tommy Merricks agree. Herbert's snipes and reality are far apart on this issue.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

What was surprising was just how obsessed one person could become over how much property they think they own.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

He wanted whatever he thought was taken from him. He wanted it deeded back to him.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert calls a city surveyor to determine the property lines once and for all. And not for the first time.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

The city would measure where the property end and where it began. And over and over and over.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Everything's accurate.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

As expected, the surveyor's appraisal matches the Wilsons deed.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

We were never ever on his property at all.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

And as expected, Herbert rejects it.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You did it wrong. That can't be right.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Not even a piece of grass is over there. He would be totally upset because they're not agreeing with him.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Former prosecutor Joseph Barrier can't explain Herbert's obstinance.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

I don't know why the surveyors coming out didn't solve the problem for him. No matter how many times people told him, this is what your deed says, he didn't accept it.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

In the midst of the intractable conflict, the Wilsons tried to carry on with their lives.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Robin and Jerry just wanted to be left alone. They lived in a house that, of course, Robin loved, fell in love with. They just wanted to live and let live. They didn't want to be bothered with it.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Yet everything they do incites more rage from Herbert.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Sitting on the porch. He'll ride past in his truck, and mean mug like, he'll ride past and just stare you down. Everybody on the block would say, you know, that's a mean old man. But we never did anything to him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

That's our backyard he's in.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert Snipes would look out the windows to monitor what he thought was his property. And his obsession affected his marriage.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Can we just talk about something else for once?

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Whose side are you on anyway? Mary. Whose side?

[John Crane (Reporter)]

He would talk about his property issues with his wife, Mary Snipes. And whenever she disagreed with him, he would treat her poorly as a result.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

We have to move on. Herbert, listen to me. I'm talking to you. That's right, run away. That's exactly what they want us to do.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

After years of suffering through Herbert's tirades, Mary has finally had enough.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

She ended up leaving because I guess it was too much for her. I think she was trying to make him stop. But he just wouldn't stop doing what he was doing. That's when he just started acting really, really erratic. When she left, he just went full speed ahead.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert's calls to City hall become relentless.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

I'll stop calling you when you tell me why you let the Wilsons steal my property. The deed is false and you know it.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Everything he did, the answer always came back the same. He did not own what we would call the Wilsons property.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Captain Tommy Merricks responds to some of Herbert's complaints personally.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

He was saying that the city had taken some of his land and it was fixated on some vehicles that were behind the house.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

City done me wrong, sir. I need this corrected or the Wilsons will run roughshod over my land back there with their cars and their trucks.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Well, obviously, sir, this is a civil matter.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Give me that.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

It wasn't a police matter. It was nothing I could fix.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You have to deal with City Hall. You think that's fair? You're going to let him get away with it?

[John Crane (Reporter)]

No one could help him. He was convinced that it was all a conspiracy against him to take his land.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Jerry and Robin's dream has turned into an endless nightmare. And soon enough, even their dogs are caught in the middle. Here's Robyn to explain.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Every morning at 6:30, we would get up in the morning and walk the dogs.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Jerry had two pit bulls and Herbert was somewhat afraid of them.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He couldn't stand my dogs. If he could have poisoned them, he probably would have.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

And according to Herbert, the hatred is mutual.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

He sicked them on me. They're man eaters. That's not true, officer. That's not true at all.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

He's lying.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Snipes claimed that Jerry Wilson would sic his dogs on him while he was mowing his grass.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Sick em.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Snipes might have found those pit bulls threatening because they have a reputation of being very aggressive, dangerous dogs.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Jerry maintains his dog's innocence. He says the attack Herbert describes never happened. His dogs got loose by accident.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

The dogs wasn't mean. Of course they gonna act like dogs. That's any dog. My husband never ever. He never stick our dogs on anybody. Never.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

With no injuries or witnesses, there's nothing police can do. Herbert isn't satisfied.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Everything he did seemed to indicate he wanted to have the Wilsons out.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

If her neighbor can exaggerate a dog attack, Robin wonders what else he's capable of.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

The dispute between the two families did really get to the Wilsons. Robin was concerned about it escalating to some type of violence.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

What's he gonna do next, though? I'm telling you, if you don't tell

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

the police but what he's doing, I will.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

No, you won't. You ain't gonna do nothing. Listen, I got this.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I wanted to go downtown myself and have something out on him for some type of harassment and my husband wouldn't allow me to do it.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

I'm telling you, he's dangerous.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Come on, man. That old dude. I got this right.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband, I guess from Being in the military, they have no fear.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Jerry has more than just military experience to keep. He and his wife protected.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Jerry Wilson had two handguns in the house. He was a responsible gun owner and knew how to use them.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He actually was a sharpshooter in the military. I didn't like him myself, but he liked having them.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Jerry's firearms had even more tension between the neighbors.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert Snipes claimed that Jerry Wilson carried and handled guns frequently around him. He claimed that Wilson was threatening to him and trying to intimidate him.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband cleaned his guns on the porch cause he wasn't about to be cleaning them in the house. But wasn't no bullets in the chambers cause he always had the safety on and the cartridge was always in the house in the closet.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Still, Herbert makes certain he's equally prepared.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert had a 22 caliber long rifle that he kept at easy access to the front door.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The brewing dispute leaves Herbert's family worried about his mental health.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert Stipes relatives offered to have him stay with them, but he did not want to leave his property because he was afraid that the city would take his property away from him if he left.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Since her uncle won't budge, Herbert's niece stops by to lend a hand. Specifically, she begins helping with letters to anyone in authority that might be able to assist with the stolen land claims. And with the help of his niece, Herbert intends to take it to the state level.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Due to his low level of education, Mr. Snipes couldn't read or write very well. But he had help from family members that would write letters.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Unfortunately, every reply maintains that he does not own the Wilsons property.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

I'm sorry.

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At least we tried.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Everyone gave him the same answer. He would end up saying, well, I guess you're wrong too.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

This isn't over. I'm not done yet.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

There were really no options because this was a problem that was in Herbert's mind.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The distraught homeowner realizes there's still one person he can reach out to for help.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He wrote a letter to President Obama regarding the situation. I think the family were just really humoring him. They couldn't seem to correct his view that, that he didn't own the other property. So I think they just tried to help in what ways they could.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Surprisingly, the White House sends a response.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Look, look. A letter from the White House. Look at that.

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Dear Mr. Snipes, in regards to your

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

request this matter should be taken up at City Hall.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

The response to his letter to Obama was that this is a local matter.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Yes, yes.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

While others would consider this another setback. Herbert somehow sees the response as proof his cause is just.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He had been down to city hall many times to the point that people either knew him by face or at least were familiar with him coming down.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Hello, Mr. Snipes.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

A letter from the President of the United States.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

But even the President's apparent seal of approval doesn't change the outcome.

[Wayfair/Angie Hicks/AllTrails/Quo/Contentful Advertisers]

Okay, we talked about this. You're gonna have to leave.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

He said it was a local matter. That's you.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

The legal secretaries couldn't help him. They told him that he only owned his parcel and he just didn't accept it.

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If you don't leave right now, I'm gonna be forced to call the police.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert's greatest victim becomes his worst disappointment. The resulting bitterness sends him spiraling. Robin Wilson and former police captain Tommy Merrick speak to the frustration.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Don't you see it, officer? Don't you see it here?

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He really started calling the police on a regular basis. If you call an officer, you know they have to come out regardless of whether they think it's just nothing.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Sir, I told you before, this is a civil matter.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

The police are used to fixing things and this was a situation I couldn't fix.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert soon shocks everyone with his latest theory. Danville Register and Bee newspaper reporter John Crane explains.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

It shows the whole land is mine. The whole block.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

He claimed that, you know, that he had owned the entire block but the city was illegally and wrongly selling his property to other people. Of course that wasn't true.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

The whole block.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

There was no reasoning with Herbert and there was no really de escalating. There was nothing that we could do, Obama could do, anybody else could do.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

At first my husband said maybe he's because he's lonely. But then it got to the point where he just crazy.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You're nuts. Wacko. Woo hoo. Stop it.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

He need to be in a mental institution. Something just ain't right.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Get off my block.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

His neighbor's madness pushes Jerry to the edge.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

I think it would be a living hell because it would be something that you would have to deal with every day.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Former prosecutor Joseph Barrier agrees with that sentiment.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You belong in the loony pit, Mr. Wilson.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

That's enough.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert's niece did say that.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Jerry.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

She witnessed Jerry Wilson being somewhat bullying towards Herbert.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Wacko.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

I'm not surprised Jerry poked fun of him a little bit considering how firm Herbert's belief was and how many times he brought it up.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

One night Jerry has some friends over to blow off steam. Herbert sees this as an opportunity for revenge.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My Husband had a couple of his friends on the porch, and they had them a couple of beers. All of a sudden, out of the blue, the police came running in there.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Hands on your head.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Nobody moved.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

They didn't even see them coming.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Easy, easy. Where are the guns? There's no guns. Where are the guns? I said there's no guns.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Frisk everybody and don't miss anything.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

My husband was harassed by the police. They were scared to death.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Ma', am, why are you doing this?

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Neighbor says you have guns.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Nobody had a gun at all.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

For the Wilsons to see police swarming around their property, that. That had to have been pretty scary, pretty overwhelming.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The false alarm ends without incident. Yet now, for the first time, the Wilsons seriously consider moving.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

We wanted to move to the country. That was our next step. He could have had the house if he wanted it.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

But changing homes isn't always so easy.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

You can't snap your fingers and do it. The potential is there to lose money, especially if you hadn't been in it long.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Meanwhile, Herbert's family is likewise concerned. His obsession is becoming a serious illness.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

His relatives noticed some, you know, some deterioration of the property. A lot of the food in his refrigerator had been in there for years. The house was dirty and run down. And it got to a point where he stopped looking after his hygiene.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Their worries deepen as Herbert's claims go from misguided to fantastical.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Satellites.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

It's satellites. The satellites are up there.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

He began to think that the government was using satellites so that the government could shrink his property lines.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

They're up there and. And they're watching down here. They're watching the whole property.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I can't.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Don't you get it?

[John Crane (Reporter)]

His relatives would not visit anymore because of the way he behaved.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

No one's listening. No one's doing anything. You've done nothing.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

While Herbert's fringe theories effectively ice him out, he finds himself with increasingly fewer people to turn to. The only people who have to hear Herbert out are local officials. He continues to call incessantly.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

We would respond to a plethora of calls. With him being by himself, he had more time to think about his perceived problem. Jerry and Robin had gotten fed up with it.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

The Wilsons are being pushed out of their dream home. But Jerry won't go down without a fight.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Yo, Peewee, is that your mom calling? Huh? That your mama calling, Pee Wee. Go to hell, Wilson. You little shrimp. Shut up, Wilson. What you gonna do?

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert said Jerry would pick at him and dance around making fun of him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Is that your Mama. You little shrimp, you calling your mama.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Jerry had been dealing with this for over a year, and the old saying goes, you might as well laugh as cry.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

I'll call the police right now.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

That must have been humiliating. He probably felt emasculated.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

And yet Jerry is unyielding and letting Herbert know he's had enough.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Jerry revealed to Herbert that he had guns on him. Virginia is an open carry state, so you can wear it visibly without any problem.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

His display of arms only pushes Herbert into a deeper state of fury, and it's about to be unleashed in City Hall. And it's only the beginning.

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[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Right there in Danville, Virginia City Hall, Herbert Snipes is laying insistent to Robin and Jerry Wilson's property. It's the latest in a series of escalating and worrisome behavior.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

This has to happen now because Jerry Wilson won't get my land back.

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Mr. Snipes, we've been over this. I don't know how many times we have to go through this. You don't own your neighbor's property.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

They pretty much told him that there was nothing they could do to help him. That's when he said, what happens if

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

I just kill him?

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

From a police officer's perspective, it is not a direct threat. It is kind of an idle threat. Although for someone to say that it would be very concerning.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

It had got to the point where it was like a different look in his eyes, like he could kill somebody.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robyn's fears are realized on July 26, 2017.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

It was a normal morning. We got up, my husband said the grass need cutting.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Jerry moves his truck out back so he can mow the front lawn without it getting dirty or damaged by rocks.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I heard something going back and forth, and I asked my husband, I said, who are you back there talking to?

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

What's going on? Just Pee wee. Complaining again about us parking the truck.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Reporter John Crane and Captain Tom Merricks recount that, as he's done so many times before, Herbert summons police to fume about his stolen land.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert Snipes had the police officer walk the property with him. And the police officer told him, you need to talk to the mayor's office.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

She had told him if he kept calling in false reports that he could be charged with unlawfully summonsing the police.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Getting nowhere with law enforcement, Herbert races to the mayor's office to make his case yet again, recalls prosecutor Joseph Barrier.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Robin went out to run an errand, and Herbert Snipes complained to the mayor, who obviously, once they realized what he was talking about, couldn't help him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

No luck, peewee. Huh? Shrimp.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

He came home and Jerry Wilson was standing in front of his sidewalk laughing at him.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Nobody's gonna help you because you're a moco.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I'm. Huh?

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

You little shrimp. Wilson, you're crazy. Shut up, Wilson. Shrimp. Shut up, Herbert. Damn.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert said that at that point he'd had enough.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Say, peewee, you gonna go call your mama, huh?

[John Crane (Reporter)]

I could definitely understand the way Wilson reacted.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

A livid Herbert storms into his house.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Yeah, that's right. Run away.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

And returns momentarily with his rifle in hand.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

How much are you gonna take?

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Hindsight's 20 20, but I did not see anything to indicate that he would be a harm to himself or others. We get a call of a shooting on Cabell Street. Me being about five, four, five blocks away. I immediately responded. I knew somebody had been shot. That's about all I knew about it.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Herbert.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert, Put your hands up.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Herbert.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

When I saw Herbert Stipes on the front porch, I immediately put two and two together and figured he was involved. What happened, Herbert?

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

I shot Jerry Wilson.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

I approached him, he was stone cold calm. No emotion whatsoever.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Where's the gun?

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

The gun was leaning up against the hallway, right inside the door in the house next door to him. I saw the glass shattered out of a full view storm door, so I assumed that the victim was close to that.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Captain Tommy Marix finds Jerry Wilson lying unresponsive inside his home.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

The SWAT medic fire marshal was with me and he immediately started efforts to revive him.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

As paramedics work to save Jerry's life, Herbert Snipes relates his version of what happened.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

He was laughing and grinning, dancing in my face. Gracie. Shut up.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Shrimp.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Shrimp.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert said he was making fun of him and he decided he'd had enough and he went and got the gun.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

When he saw that I got the gun, he ran up to his house a little bit faster.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Herbert said he thought Jerry Wilson was going to get a gun and come after him, claiming that he shot Wilson in self defense.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

Hey, Jerry. I aimed at him and then I shot him.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

It went through the storm door, shattered the glass and hit Jerry on the right side.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

The bullet went through his right lung, went through his right aorta, coming out of his heart and then into his left lung.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

The medic worked on trip Jerry Wilson for an extended period of time, but unfortunately it was unsuccessful. The damage that the bullet did was lethal.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

Jerry Wilson bled out into his chest cavity, and that's how he died.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robin returns from her errand to a devastating crime scene.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I fell to the ground. That's all I know. I fell to the ground.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

I felt it was my duty to try to console her and explain to her what a lot of times you just don't have words for somebody that has experienced a loss like that.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

Herbert was charged with first degree murder and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

A psychological evaluation reveals how Herbert's background contributed to the tragedy.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

He only had a third grade education that could have affected his understanding. And if you have trouble absorbing information from a cognitive standpoint, combine that with the emotional aspect of it that caused him to start taking on some delusional type thinking.

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

It's satellites. They're up there. They're watching the whole property.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

A judge decides Herbert is fit to stand trial.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He at every point seemed to understand exactly what he had done, that it was wrong, it was against the law, and that now there were consequences.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Herbert's lawyer argues he acted in self defense because he believed Jerry was going to retrieve his weapon.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

However, there was really no evidence for self defense in this case because Herbert had the gun and Jerry Wilson was trying to run inside.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

There's no evidence that Jerry Wilson had a weapon at the time he was shot. It was no evidence that he made any threats to him.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Shocking testimony from both city officials and police seal Herbert's fate.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

When the legal secretary said Herbert's statement,

[Herbert Snipes (Neighbor and Perpetrator)]

what happens if I just kill him?

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

The jury really perked up and sort of let that sink in.

[John Crane (Reporter)]

The prosecution used that as a strong piece of evidence that this was premeditated.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

One of the officers said he asked, where were you aiming?

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

I hope I hit him in the head.

[Joseph Barrier (Former Prosecutor)]

He was trying to kill him. And that revealed his intent and his malice. The verdict was guilty as charged. The sentence was 20 years for the first degree murder and three years for the use of the firearm.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

Even though he went to jail and he's never going to get out, I just don't feel like justice has been done. You know, my husband ain't here.

[Tom Marix (Former Police Captain)]

Robin Wilson was a very nice lady. She and Jerry seemed to be a normal, perfect married couple. Of course, Jerry is a victim, but in my opinion, the main victim is Robin Wilson, because Robin is without her soulmate and she's left to deal with all of this.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

Robin still lives in the house she once shared with Jerry, but it will never feel the same.

[Robin Wilson (Neighbor and Widow)]

You know how sometimes you wish you could just turn back the hands of time and start all over and fix things, But I have to move forward, even though every day it hurts.

[Janice (Podcast Host)]

This podcast is produced by Cream Productions in association with Fremantle Media and id. You can check out Fear Thy Neighbor on Max Discovery and id.

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