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The Truth About Covid Treatments And The Corrupt Healthcare Complex Is Finally Revealed
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On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, a Houston-based ear, nose, throat, and sleep medicine specialist, joins Federalist Elections Correspondent Matt Kittle to discuss her ongoing fight against the healthcare complex,...
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And we are back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior elections correspondent at the Federalist and as always, your experience Sherpa on today's quest for knowledge. And as always, you can email the show at radio the federalist.com follow us on XDRLST. Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast and of course to the premium version of our website as well. Our guest today is Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, a Houston physician, ear, nose and throat specialist, and a specialist in sleep medicine. And she has been a warrior in the fight against a massive health care complex well considered too big to fail. Dr. Bowden's new book, dangerous Misinformation, the Virus, the Treatments and the Lies is available where all important books are sold. Thank you so much for joining us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.
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It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me.
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Before we begin, I simp. I simplified it your title, Ear, Nose and Throat specialist. But you got a bigger name for that? Help me pronounce that because it's, it's quite a, quite a title.
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Yeah, it's, it's probably unnecessarily complicated, but it's odolaryngology, otolaryngology.
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I always like to learn new words and terms. And so as we started this, of course, on the first take I butchered it and I'll probably butcher it again and I will probably continue to call, call you an ear, nose and throat specialist. But your training, you know, is, I, I think if you look at your training, where you began, where you served, what you have accomplished in your medical life, you are well respected just about everywhere. You did, did, am I correct in saying you did your intern work, residency work? Excuse me, at Stanford?
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Yeah, I started off in Texas, but then I transferred and I finished at Stanford. So I did two years at UTMB in Galveston and three years at Stanford. And the experiences could not have been more different. There were night and day, which was very, it was a learning experience in a good way.
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It sounds like a lot of what you have experienced has been eye opening, educational to say the very least. And that's why, what was it back in 2019 you said this thing is broken, this health insurance thing, this healthcare complex, maybe I'm never going to fix it, but I can't work inside it anymore. Tell us that major decision you made and what it's meant for your medical career.
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So when I finished residency, I worked in a small private practice and traditional model where we took insurance and I was an employee. And so there were frustrations around that, but they weren't as bad as they would have been if I'd owned the practice. But I took time off because I had kids and I ended up having four boys in five years. And I reached a tipping point where I just couldn't juggle it all any longer and decided to quit and just become a full time mother. And I wasn't even sure I was going to go back to work. But then once the boys entered school and were in a routine and I had a little itch that needed to be scratched and so I looked at going back to work, but I really wasn't employable. I mean, I needed maximum flexibility with four kids that young. And I knew that if I went into a solo practice and I tried to take insurance, there's no way I could do it and stay afloat because you can only thrive in that model with high volume. And I didn't want that. I wanted low volume, high quality. So I decided to do a direct specialty care model. It's basically, you don't take insurance, but I call it third party free. I don't contract with insurance companies, I don't contract with hospitals, I don't contract with the government and the only people I work for are my patients. And then that, that served me very well during the pandemic when I was free to treat people the way I thought was appropriate rather than the way some third party thought was appropriate.
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We'll get to that battle in just a moment. But let me first of all say that four boys in 20 years is a, is, can be a trial. Just, you know, you could ask my mother, if she were here with us today about doing that with, with, with raising four boys, she would tell you that it certainly had its joys, it certainly had its trials. So I think she understands that. My wife and I have three kids, two daughters and a soon to be 19 year old. And you know, that that takes some doing as well. So I certainly understand the parenting side of this equation and wanting to be there for your kids, you know, not to be swamped by the expectations of the system. And speaking of that system, and as this thing called COVID 19 started to become a thing where we began really seeing some warning signs, you know, some things happening way to the east of us over in, in China. And then by the time we get to the beginning or second month of the year in 2020 now the alarms are, are really going off. And I want to get your, your take on how you responded to this because I think we all know and we're learning more and more how the, you know, the, the experts, so to speak, responded to it in the Anthony Fauci's and you know, the disease control and all of those operations. But how did you personally respond to this as this wave started to hit the country?
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I had such a small practice that, and I remember watching the news and thinking, well, this won't affect me. You know, like when you see things on the news, they seem very remote and not something that would affect you. And I thought, well, this will be in the hospitals. This won't be, this won't really affect my tiny little practice. And I remember my first COVID patient was actually a teenager who had been in China on some sort of student exchange program. And she came in with stubborn bronchitis and we, you know, toyed with the idea, oh, could this be Covid? But this is super early and we kind of dismissed that possibility. But in retrospect, I'm sure that's what it was. So I, yeah, I, and I was, I didn't have a big network of people because I had just returned to work. I had just started my practice back up six months before the pandemic started. So I wasn't, I didn't have a big network of colleagues to consult with. I was on a online ear Nose and Throat forum. But no one was really even talking about COVID on that. So I just, I just use common sense. Yeah, I treated for secondary infection. I used steroids, I used breathing treatments. And then I remember hearing about hydroxychloroquine and started using that. And I personally used that because I'm pretty sure I got it very early and it worked really well. But then the Texas State Board of Pharmacy removed it. We were prohibited from prescribing it for Covid. And I just put it on the back shelf and didn't really question it, probably the way I should have or fight it the way I should have. But early on I didn't have a lot of patients coming to me for treatment. But once we started doing monoclonal antibodies, when those came out, and that's when demand really picked up for treatment.
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Yeah, I talked to a physician recently on the Federalist Radio hour and he is going through hell. You have seen your own share of that as well. But he was treating patients in Maryland very early on and he was lauded for his work in anti clonal, excuse me, monoclonal antibodies. And, and because it was effective and he had at that point a large scale testing and treatment, you know, testing to treatment model, and it was very successful. He started criticizing how the federal government, the Biden administration in particular, was handling the treatment of COVID And I, I think that's part and parcel to your experience as well. You said, hey, this stuff that I'm prescribing, these things that I'm doing, these treatments are working. So why is the government stepping in and saying we can't use them? And I guess what were the explanations to you and what, what was your response to that when finally, I know you, you, you, you kind of put it on the shelf for a while. But what did you think when they were telling you, well, this, you can't use this, this is dangerous, or whatever?
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Yeah, the. Well, the monoclonal antibodies were more frustrating to me because at that point, once we became known in town as a place that you could get monoclonal antibodies very easily and affordably, and we didn't ration them based on your race or your comorbidities or that we just, you know, if you, if we had them in stock and as long as you were, I believe it was 12 or older, you could get them. And so demand was very high and we could initially order as many doses as we wanted and they be in the office the next day. It was very easy. But then the government took over distribution, and they became harder and harder to get. And it's funny, looking back at my text messages to my nurses, it was repeatedly, do we have any monoclonal antibodies? When are we getting more? Because the demand was still there, but we didn't have the product. And so that's when I started using Ivermectin. And I remember I was a skeptic about it, but I made sure it was safe.
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Safe.
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And that was. Anybody could go do that. I went to the FDA's website. There's loads of toxicity data on there. And I knew that you'd have to give very large amounts to hurt somebody with it. And I also did a literature search, trying to find examples of overdose, either intentional or accidental overdose with Ivermectin. I could not find a single study. So once I knew it was safe, then I started using it. Not expecting much, but I. I found it worked. And so I ended up treating over 6,000 COVID patients during the pandemic. About a third of those were monoclonal antibodies, and about two thirds of those, I didn't have the monoclonals. So I used Ivermectin. I used. Often it was a cocktail, not just Ivermectin, but everybody that got early treatment survived. But I got in trouble because I started speaking out on social media. And I had privileges at Houston Methodist Hospital. They were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots. This was April 1, 2021, five months before Biden. I had privileges there. I was testing people, so. And I was tracking them by their vaccine status. So it quickly became apparent that the shots weren't working. And I actually went to them first, and I said, what's going on? Do y' all see what I'm seeing? And they gaslit me, and they said, well, we think it just lower the severity, and then stop talking to me. So I posted on social media that vaccine mandates are wrong. And at the time, I really didn't have much of a following at all. I had, you know, I'd get, like, one, like, on my post, but I said on one day, vaccine mandates are wrong 25 times with a testimonial from a patient. And that caught their attention, and they suspended my privileges for doing that. And they did it in a very public fashion. So they went to the media to. To do it. And I found out through a reporter at the Houston Chronicle, and then they went on X and said that I was spreading dangerous misinformation, harmful to community, hence the name of my book, but that that's where it all started.
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They called it misinformation. They called it disinformation. And then they invented a term. They described it as mal information. They applied it to anything that was true, but it hurt the cause of the government or the healthcare community that was trying to push one treatment response, one medical response to Covid over another. And that's where you found yourself absolutely embroiled. Did you have an issue early on with. I shouldn't say early on, but when we we got the the next guidance in the summer of, what was it, 2021 got the guidance that there was a new strain of the virus and you shouldn't be treating this with other things. You need to be treating it with this vaccine because only the vaccine can do it. That was what was sold to us, that the vaccine was safe and it's effective and you should get vaccinated multiple times to deal with the different strains and all of those sorts of things. Of course, since then we've been finding out just how dangerous it was, certainly to certain patients. But did you have to respond medically to the Biden administration's big change, which also included what you'd mentioned before, the whole equity notion that the distribution of COVID drugs should only be or should be prioritized to meet the needs of what they called vulnerable community communities? But it was really based on identity politics.
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Yeah, if you look at the timeline surrounding that little segment of the pandemic, it's very interesting. So In March of 2021, the FDA published something on their website about not using Ivermectin for Covid. And then on April 1st, Houston Methodists mandated the shots. That same day, Biden announced the COVID 19 Community Corps, which ended up costing $11.5 billion. And it was a propaganda campaign to spread the safe and effective narrative. They doled out money to over 17,000 different groups and influencers and paid them to brainwash the public about safe and effective. Then the summer of 2021, basically in August, they continued their smear campaign against Ivermectin, and they put out the horse tweet. And that is the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse. And the caption says, seriously, y', all, you're not a horse. You're not a cow. Stop it. And then shortly after that, they mandated. They took away the monoclonal antibodies, and they mandated the COVID shots. And it was all very orchestrated. And I ended up suing the FDA over that misinformation campaign. And we won. And they had to take down the horse tweet and take down the misinformation from their website. Unfortunately, the stigma around Ivermectin still stands. And I would really. I think the current FDA should come out and educate the public about Ivermectin. And if it were up to me, they would make it over the counter for the country, because people are buying it from the feed store. I mean, even today, I talked to a patient who's like, well, yeah, I get all of my Ivermectin from the feed store, which it's probably okay, because I think people would be, you know, a lot very sick, because I hear people all the time taking it. But it's not ideal. I mean, this is America. We shouldn't have to buy our medications from the feed store. But it's still. It's still very difficult to get for people.
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Yeah, you shouldn't have to pick up hay, oats, and Ivermectin, Mectin on your trip, you know, to. To stay healthy in the face of. Of COVID But that's. That's exactly what happened. I remember when that horse fable hit. And, you know, for years, I talked to people who were just absolute vaccine supporters. You got to get in, you know, regular people. And I said, well, you know, there are all kinds of these other treatments that have been effective. You know, what about monoclonal antibodies? What about Ivermectin? Ivermectin. That's what they give to horses. You can't give that to people. You won in. In that government misinformation campaign. They had to remove it. But as you say, the impact lives on. Today, what are you hearing from the FDA about where all of that stands? Because that was a grave injustice to the health system.
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Yeah, it's disappointing. I would have thought the new administration would be more in line with correcting the record on that. We submitted a petition to the FDA to make it over the counter, but it went unanswered. States have been passing legislation to make it available without a prescription, which means that the pharmacist can give it out without the doctor prescribing it. But it's still a roadblock. The only people that can truly make it over the counter so it's sitting next to the bottle of Tylenol are the people at the FDA and the people Texas, I live in Texas and Texas, it's available without a prescription, but people still can't get it because the pharmacist won't do it. There's too much controversy surrounding the medication and I think pharmacists are still reluctant to go there.
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Our guest today is Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, a Houston physician specializing in the practice area of ear, nose and throat sleep medicine. And as I said before, she's been a warrior in the fight against this massive health care complex on pushing a vaccine that has proved to be ineffective and in some cases deadly to its recipients. So you talked about your experience at the hospital. You had to go through a legal battle there. I know at the Houston hospital where you had worked in terms of admitting privileges, at the same time you were trying to do what, what was in the best interest of your patient. And at the same time, as a healthcare provider, you were being told by your hospital and it was being mandated or attempted widely by the Biden administration that you had to have injected into your system a vaccine that you didn't, not only didn't you believe in, you thought it was adverse to the health of your patients and ultimately to anyone who took it. What was that experience like? Because it must have been extremely frustrating to say I know what is happening here, but nobody is listening.
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Yeah, it's very frustrating. And you know, it'd be one thing if I were the Lone Ranger, but it's people, you know, individual or small groups of doctors around the world are all seeing the same thing and crying out that, you know, what's, we need to stop this. I mean, I still see patients in my. I saw one today. I saw a patient today, a 37 year old man who's on long term disability after getting three Covid Shots. Three Pfizer shots. He developed myocarditis. He developed pots, which is where your blood pressure drops erratically. And, I mean, you faint and feel weak. And of course, nobody has reported. He's seen 100 doctors. None of them have reported his condition to VAERS, the vaccine adverse Event Reporting System. And yeah, it's, it's highly. I see it every day. And unfortunately, it's still being given. Seven million children have received a Covid shot this year since Trump took office. 29 states recommend that all babies get 3 Covid shots by the time they're 9 months old. This is. It's on the their. Yeah. So people think, well, this is not a problem anymore. And, well, there's no mandate, so people are free to choose. Well, people are not getting informed consent. We still have doctors that are brainwashed and not awake and pushing this on their patients. And, you know, if patients aren't on X or, you know, on some sort of alternative media site, they're not getting the truth. So really, it should have been pulled off the market a long time ago. I'm trying to get politicians on board to sound the alarm. And I started an organization called Americans for Health Freedom, where we recruit politicians who are willing to simply state that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market. And as of now, we have, I believe we have 300 elected officials and people who are running for office can join and we give them support on social media. We don't give money to campaigns, but we just try to give them free pr. But I think we just need to keep the pressure on because unfortunately, and I'm still writing exemptions for mandates. I was out of town and I came back today, and there's a stack of exemption letters that I need to write on my desk in 2026.
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Mandates in Texas, where. What kind of industries are still forcing people to get this shot? You know, six years plus after the outbreak of the pandemic.
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Well, so Texas has a law against Covid shot mandates, but there's a loophole, and it concerns. What I'm seeing is nursing students who are doing clinical rotations and the hospitals are requiring it at the clinical rotation sites. And somehow that is, the law does
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not apply to those situations in Texas, of all places. Yeah, well, I guess we've seen some stall on fronts where you wouldn't think so. And speaking of that, those who are trying to bring the message. RFK Jr. And the MAHA movement, you know, the Making Americans Healthy Again movement, testified earlier this year at a Senate appropriations hearing that MRNA shots are not effective against respiratory viruses. Yet as you mentioned before, 7 million American children have received a Covid shot this year. And 29 states plus Washington, D.C. are still recommending all babies get three Covid shots by nine months of age. I know you said that before, I want to repeat that because I think that is fundamentally important to this conversation. We have now 4,551 peer reviewed, published studies documenting harm from the jab. Despite this, more than 500 clinical trials for new MRNA vaccines targeting respiratory infections are underway. So I'm going to ask you a question, doctor, that I think I know the answer to. But I want to, I want to hear from you about it. Why? And in the bigger universe of that, is it money? That is to say, money coming from big pharma and from those with vested, interested, vested interest going to politicians for their campaigns.
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Money and also ego and the difficulty of realizing that you made a tremendous mistake. A lot of people who have taken the shots regret it but are unwilling to even discuss it because they just don't want. It's put the blinders on. I can't believe I did that. But we're just not going, we're just going to move on. And I will say, you know, people, if you got the shot, you, you should not blame yourself because you were. The government spent $11.5 billion to convince you it was safe. And if you're feeling okay now, odds are you're going to be fine. So I don't want to create undue anxiety in people, but I mean, I have never seen anything like it with any other product on the market in 20 plus years of practicing medicine. It is, it is truly unbelievable that these products are still being given. And I also can't remember last time I worried about a co. I can't remember last time I treated a COVID patient, much less worried about a COVID patient. It has evolved into a cold and there's just.
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Which it was from the beginning for the vast majority of people.
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Yeah, well, I will say I saw more severe than cold in a lot of people. But right now it is, it is. There is absolutely no, this is all risk, no benefit to vaccinate against Covid. So I just don't, I just. Yes, money is a huge driver of it. I don't think Trump can face up to the fact that this is the greatest public health crisis of our generation, but he is going to ruin his legacy because it will all come out. And the latest concern is cancer. The CDC has been sitting on cancer data but they did come out with 2023 data recently and it did show a concerning increase in cancer in certain types of cancer in age less than 50. And the timing of this uptick coincided with the MRNA shot coming out. So I think that's going to be the next thing. I think that will be what breaks it all open, but they may just try to blame it on few dyes and that sort of thing.
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I tend to think that there is a huge psychological aspect in this. Everybody because of the fear. And you know, when all of this began, there was a lot of unknown. You know, you make something in a lab in China, you don't know exactly what you're getting. And I think that's, that's what happened. It was released and here we go trying to deal with something that we didn't really fully understand. But the health care community, especially the, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Fauci's organization and others, they, they knew relatively soon a lot of things that standing six feet apart in a supermarket was not going to save you from COVID The lockdowns were absolutely useless. And this vaccine that was supposed to be the savior of humanity was not good to say the very least. But I think so many people talked about, oh, we've got to have a, we've got to have a cure, we've got to have something to save us from this. We need a vaccine. And then you had Trump doing, you know, operation Warp Speed and all of these sorts of things. And that's what it was. It was a way to placate a very anxious country, a very anxious world. And then when it was shown, when it came out to be absolutely ineffective in so many cases, they. They could not go back. What do you think about that assessment?
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Yes, it all started with fear. And fear, you know, fear drives people towards authority. And I remember feeling this uncertainty and wanting an answer. And if you're, you know, you look to the leaders to show you the way. But, you know, and perhaps if I hadn't been seeing all this firsthand, I would have fallen into all this. I probably would have. But I had early success in what I was doing, and that gave me the confidence to veer away from the authorities. But, you know, the authorities were creating protocols from the safety of their bedrooms over zoom calls. They were not in the trenches. And I have always felt that being in the trenches is far more valuable than reading a scientific paper, because you can find a scientific paper to support any view you want, any position you want in medicine. There's going to be countering papers. It's hard to find a consensus. We were trained during residency to question all scientific papers. We would have something called journal club and it would happen every week. And my takeaway from journal Club is that most studies are highly flawed. It's very hard to find a really good, legitimate study. So the studies are a starting point. But most of your, most of your guidance comes from clinical experience and your mentors. And so that's how I approached Covid is, you know, you're, you're seeing things firsthand. And when you treat, you know, I treated 6,000 COVID patients, you quickly become an expert. Because I've never treated that many patients with one disease in my career. I'm sure I never will again. But it doesn't take too long to figure out what works and what doesn't work. But unfortunately, you know, my megaphone, my microphone wasn't big enough. And, and when it started to get big, they, they squashed it. They censored me and, and, and tried to extinguish me.
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And that's where we had not just the, the healthcare community or the experts in the healthcare community doing that. You had social media doing that as well. You, you like so many others, were a victim of the Facebook, you know, the, the algorithms by design, the, you know, Twitter at the time, and other social media. You were trying to get your message out there. That was the pla. The only platform you really had. And yet you were being throttled back. And then when you learned that you were being throttled back by your government, what did you think?
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Yeah, it, it was, it was just what the whole thing is. You know, I'd never given the FDA a single thought before the pandemic. I mean, I knew they approved medications. I never thought that they would have any influence on my, on my career or on my practice of medicine at all. I would say most doctors historically are not too vocal in the public or we tend to be more conservative because you don't want to, you don't want to give advice to somebody that might hurt them. But. So this is a whole new era where doctors are now speaking out on social media. And it was sort of uncharted territory. And I remember being very cautious at the beginning. And when they came after me, I said things like ivermectin works and vaccine mandates are wrong. I was pretty vague and cautious. And so. But when they come after you so hard, I mean, my instinct was to fight back even harder. I mean, that was. And so they sort of created a monster. And now I will just really speak my mind.
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Well, you do have some pretty powerful folks who have been looking at this for a long time. I think of a couple, few in particular Lawmakers in Washington, D.C. senator Ron Johnson being one of them. He has been working on this with some peers. On April 29, he held a hearing, released a report showing that probably no surprise to you, Biden health officials knew that safety signals for COVID 19 injection injuries were being hidden by their vaccine adverse event reporting system. I remember doing a lot of reporting, reporting on this and document digging into this system. It was a complete mess from the beginning. They used like social media analytic algorithms to cover up information. And I say all of this in context because I think the Fauci and the Collins, the folks at the National Institutes of Health and others, they were clearly involved. They knew of this and documents are showing they, they led all of this stuff. And yet Joe Biden, or at least somebody operating in that capacity, we talk about the auto pen and what was signed and what, what was and what he knew about and what he didn't know about. But before he steps out of office, before he ends his four year term, he's giving out, you know, carte blanche pardons to Fauci and others. Do you think there will ever be, can there ever be accountability for their transgressions?
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Yeah, I haven't given up hope. I don't know about. Fauci may get away. They did indict three of his henchmen recently. So Peter Daszak is one of them and the other two, their names are escaping me right now. But in the legal front, the government, I don't know. But in terms of the legal arena, there's still lots of lawsuits going on. I'm part of some of those and I'm planning another one where accountability is hopeful. Brooke Jackson, she's a whistleblower for Pfizer. She has an active lawsuit that is hanging on by a very thin thread, and we're waiting for a decision from the 5th Circuit to see if it will stay alive. But that one could, if it goes forward and successful, it could bankrupt Pfizer. We have another case where Deb Conrad, she's a physician's assistant, she's suing Rochester General Health or General Hospital. And this is over vaers. And she got fired for reporting too many patients to vaers. And that case has made it to discovery. And if that goes forward, it's a way to hold the hospitals accountable. And it is a legal framework that can be used in every hospital in the country. And the statute of limitations does not expire until 2029. And it's a fraud, false claims case and also could cause considerable damage to the hospitals because they all signed a contract with the government that if they had patients that came back to the hospital after the shots with, you know, concerns that it could be an adverse reaction to the shot, even if they came back and they just had Covid, that was a reportable event. And from what I'm seeing, none of these patients are getting reported to vaers. I mean, none of the patients that I've seen with injuries, I've been the one that's had to report them. They haven't. They've seen multiple other doctors but haven't been reported. So this is a way. It's hard to get around. They have liability protection thanks to the PREP act, so it's very hard to get around it. But these are two ways to get around the PREP act. And so that I have hope about. About that.
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Well, it should come as. No, some, you know, a lot of this stuff should come as no surprise, really, because we learned early on, at least in the invested investigative reporting game, how much this information was being manipulated at the state level, at the local level, the national level. And it was a prepositional battle from the get go. And by that I mean how they reported Covid in general, COVID deaths in particular. And it was a matter of died with COVID or died from COVID And there was a melange of, you know, going into inflating numbers and making the pandemic. I'm not dismissing the fact that a lot of people obviously died in this period, but there were comorbidities, there were all kinds of different issues. And we saw definitely an inflation of the numbers from people who should have been much more responsible. Let me ask you this. As it's tied into it. What do you think of the President's, his administration's anti weaponization fund? It is a fund about $1.8 billion that would pay victims like yourselves, abused by their government, truly victims of weaponization. Obviously, it has drawn a lot of controversy by who. Where that money would go to. But. But what do you think about it? Because at its root, it is trying to compensate, bring recompense to people who were victimized by their government.
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I have zero hope in that being helpful in my case. And, you know, unfortunately, the case I was talking about earlier with Brooke Jackson, the government is stepping in and trying to have it dismissed, which is normally not the case in a, in a false claims suit or a key TAM or fraud suit. I mean, basically, Brooke Jackson is accusing Pfizer of fraud. And usually the government helps the plaintiff, but here the government is stepping in and trying to help Pfizer. That is not a good sign. And yeah, the doctor you were talking about earlier, Ron Ethelbein, who I know personally, the one, he's been persecuted for speaking out against the government when they took away monoclonal antibodies, and he's facing up to 50 years in prison over this. They basically looked at some chart. They did a, a flimsy chart review, and they have disputes over the way he coded his charts, which is a $50 difference in what they thought he should have charged versus what he charged. Right. And it, it is not substantiated by any expert evidence on five patients, by the way.
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Five patients, so a total of $250. And they have a $15 million claim against him? Basically, yeah. That is yet another one. You're absolutely right. This is a guy who spoke out against the handling of COVID and he found himself very quickly targeted by his government. In fact, I think it's important to note as well, the judge in that first case where a jury convicted him took the unusual step of throwing out, vacating that verdict because he said nobody who understood the law would be able, should be able to convict this guy because the government did not prove its case in any stretch. And yet the government has persisted even under the Trump DOJ to go after this man. So I think I understand what you're saying about a lack of hope.
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Right. At least with the government. I mean, yes, and. But like I said, you know, people are still out there fighting one other lawsuit. I'm suing the Federation of State Medical Boards along with five doctors. So the Federation of State Medical Boards is this private entity that somehow has jurisdiction over all of the state medical boards. And during the pandemic, they issued this proclamation to all the medical boards to go after doctors for spreading misinformation. And we all got. We all got charged around the same time, the fall of 2021. Most of us, it was over Ivermectin. But in the lawsuit, two of the doctors lost their licenses. I haven't lost my license, but I'm still fighting to clear my. My name from the medical board. And we are going after them for free speech issues because, yeah, this was. This should have been a healthy, vigorous debate, but they, they weaponize their power to basically threaten our licenses to squash that debate. And so we're trying to prevent that from happening again.
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It's just amazing. It's six years later and you're still fighting. And I guess that's the final question for you. I appreciate the generosity of your time. We've gone a little bit over than usual, but I think it's such an important topic. Where do you go to get your reputation back?
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Well, that's part of the reason I wrote the book. You know, I do a lot of these interviews, but it's hard to get the details. But I feel like when I write it out and I walk people through the. The story with all the details might convince some people. In fact, one of the doctors I wrote about, Dr. Fee, he was my attending at student, Stanford. I haven't spoken to him at all since I got out of residency, basically. And I write about him in the book, and I reconnected with him, and he's. He's very much academic, establishment medicine. Stanford. He stayed at Stanford the whole time. He's retired now. But I was very nervous to get his response, and I, I convinced him. I mean, he was very nice about it, and I think he still thinks maybe the COVID shots helped to some degree. And I'm willing to concede that perhaps that's true. But I also think that the harms outweigh the benefits. But it was civil and it was, you know, we came together and that gave me hope. So I just think we have to keep speaking about it. I know you know, the current administration, it feels like they just want to, to sweep this under the rug. And I think a lot of people have moved on from this. But it is important because if we don't address this, it's just it's going to be worse the next time. And we still have people out there being put in harm's way by getting these shots.
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There will be a next time. And if we don't learn from the last time, we're going to lose not only our rights, our basic individual rights, we're going to lose lives because of this, as we did in the last pandemic. Thanks to My guest today, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, a Houston physician. Her new book, dangerous Misinformation, the Virus, the Treatments and the Lies, is available where all important books are sold. Thank you for joining us on the Federalist Radio Hour. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.
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