
On this episode of "The Federalist Radio Hour," Republican Rep. Mark Harris of North Carolina joins Federalist Senior Elections Correspondent Matt Kittle to break down why and how congressional Republicans plan to end lawfare and the weaponization of...
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We are back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections Correspondent at the Federalist and your experience Sherpa on today's quest for knowledge. As always, you can email the show at radio the federalist.com follow us on x@fdrlst. Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast and of course to the premium version of of our website as well. Our guest today is U.S. representative Mark Harris, a Republican representing North Carolina's 8th congressional district and a member of the Subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government. The committee held a hearing this week on legislative reforms to end lawfare by state and local prosecutors and it was quite a hearing, sir. Thank you so much for joining us on the Federalist Radio Hour.
Representative Mark Harris
Thank you so much, Matt. It's a pleasure to be with you.
Matt Kittle
It is a pleasure to have you with us. Give us a little overview because I know there were some sparks on this, but this I can't think of too many more important things than dealing with the weaponization of our justice system in America as we've seen over and over again the last four years.
Representative Mark Harris
Well, there were some sparks as you can imagine, during the hearing. We actually had the hear earlier in the week and then the next day came back for A markup of bills in the process. And so it was a great conversation. I felt like during the midst of the hearing, just to be able to distinguish these issues that we're facing with the lawfare that has taken place. I think the American public has seen it. I think they recognized it. I think when they elected a majority of us in the US House and we flipped the Senate and we put Donald Trump back in the White House. I do think a very important part of that was because the American people have been rejecting really this whole idea of the weaponization that we have seen of the Department of Justice under the Biden administration, and really this whole attitude that has to come to a halt. And I think that Pam Bondi and her selection as Attorney General is going to really and truly begin to make a difference there. And so the conversation, as we've seen in many of these hearings, seems to be really just wanting to ignore what has taken place during the Biden administration. My friends on the other side tend to just want to attack Donald Trump. They want to attack Elon Musk, even in these hearings concerning this whole issue of lawfare. So it was, it was something to see for sure.
Matt Kittle
No doubt about it, in this is not a winning strategy for the Democrats, as we have seen over and over again. I mean, we can talk about this further, the politics of it, which is one thing, you know, not learning the lessons, of course, of November in this country, of the November election. But your chairman, Chip Roy, was a former assistant U.S. attorney, of course, opened his, his, his opening statements. He said, every American deserves to have a justice system that is divorced from the political whims of elected office holders, political parties and personal vendettas. That is exactly what we have seen in the past four years in the Biden administration in this country. You laid it all out in this hearing, no question.
Representative Mark Harris
And, you know, many of the things that we talked about, even one of the questions that I asked of the witness, Mr. Epstein, Epstein, really was to talk about statements that he had made about protocols that were not followed on the raid of Mar a Lago and all of the things that took place. And he highlighted very clearly things that were done that were improper. And it just led to, again, throwing the spotlight on the fact that you didn't have to follow protocol, you didn't have to follow rule of law. It was a matter that the Justice Department did whatever they wanted to do, however they wanted to do it, to try to build a case. And then, of course, we had the problem, beyond that of what's going on in these attorney generals, which really does set a very dangerous precedent. And I would think, and we tried to express this in the hearing, you're setting a precedent, if we don't do something to remove this lawfare of what's going to stop a strong Republican attorney general from going after an individual who's a Democrat simply because of their political persuasion. And so this is something that really has got to rise above having an R or a D by your name because there's a desperate need in this country without law and order, without an important, you know, nonpartisan Department of Justice, the American people can't have confidence in our whole judicial system. And I think that is critical in our day. We've got to restore confidence and trust in the American people in, in all of our branches of government. And, and I think that that's, that's part of what we were seeking to address in this.
Matt Kittle
You would think that the Democrats would be all on board for this because remember, they have spent, they spent an entire election, of course, as they tried to lock up the Republicans candidate for president. They have tried to do everything they could to stop him. But they should want an equal balance of justice, the end of weaponization of justice, because do they not believe that this could happen to them? What, what did they say when asked that very important question?
Representative Mark Harris
Well, they really don't have an answer. That's part of the problem, Matt. They don't have an answer. Their answer is to simply go back and attack Donald Trump. And in some cases, they tried to replead their case, if you will, showing videos of one of the cases there in New York, I think when Donald Trump was convicted by that jury up there in one in New York. And they wanted to replay that. So they just kind of want to replay history. They want to rewrite history. The problem boils down to this. Their policies stink. And the American public does not respond to their policies. The American public does not vote for them. And if you can't win at the ballot box, your only alternative is to go to the courts and try to shop the judge. That's going to rule in your favor. And that seems to be the game they play. We've seen it in elections, we've seen it in, in civil cases, we've seen it now in criminal cases where they are just taking the law way out of bounds in order to go after their political opponents. And that's a real problem because they can't win at the ballot box.
Matt Kittle
Well, Representative Harris, I would, I would say strongly suggest that they've been successful at doing that, and they're still successful at doing it. Look at this. Look at the policies again. The, the Trump administration has put together an ambitious list and agenda that the American people voted for in November. And now you see at every turn, it's, it's the appeal to the court of their convenience, basically, to try to push out these policies. Now, what you really examine, I think is so important, along with the lawfare against the president who was candidate Trump when all of this stuff was going on? A lot of the stuff was going on. This is happening at the state and local levels. Just wrote a piece for the Federalist this week about the phony fake electors case. That's a, That's a huge issue that remains unresolved. Did that come up in the hearing how these Republican alternate electors who had.
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Matt Kittle
In 2020 to preserve the position of President Trump, should he prevail in lawsuits? They have been the subject of a targeted witch hunt by leftist prosecutors in Wisconsin, in Arizona and elsewhere. Did that come up during the hearing?
Representative Mark Harris
I don't recall that specifically. It may have. I'll be honest with you. The hearing. There's a strategy that's been employed by the Democrats on our committee at this point, and the strategy is to offer amendment after amendment after amendment after amendment and draw out this process, really, of things that are not even necessarily relevant to the matters at hand, knowing that they don't have the votes to win, but to drag out. And this particular hearing ran a little over six hours the other day. There was a hearing that ran about seven and a half to eight hours by this process that they're using. So I was not, I don't recall specifically you mentioning what you're mentioning coming up. It could have, but I just honestly can't recall at this moment that it did.
Matt Kittle
As you said, it was a lengthy hearing. A lengthy hearing made that much longer by the gimmicks and the tricks of the Democrats on this committee. It goes back to, this thing does not happen in a vacuum. There is a lot of money that's involved in these campaigns that continue to thwart the basic premises that we have under the Constitution about justice. And it's not. It's happening all over the country, is it not?
Representative Mark Harris
It is happening all over the country. And we see it when you have these unelected individuals in some cases that are pushing their agendas. And of course, some day, some cases, it's elected individuals. I think we saw that happening with District Attorney Bragg in New York. We, we saw that happening with the Attorney General in New York. People that have gone into, as part of a campaign process that we're going to go after this individual. That is no way for our government to operate. That is no way for our system of justice to be able to operate if we're going to preserve this republic. And I think, again, as we mentioned, the American people see it, they see through it. I think probably the greatest juror decision that's ever been made was the decision and the largest jury ever were the American people that spoke on November 5th of 2024, when they looked and recognized what President Trump had been put through and they said, look, we recognize the bogus actions of these prosecutors and all the things they have tried to do. And, you know, we're trying to take simple steps. Primarily, one of the things that we were trying to talk about in that was getting, when, when somebody doing their job, such as Mark Meadows, for instance, who was working for the president, and you have state prosecutors that decide to make this a political point that they're going to run on, then somehow we need to be able for these folks to get their case to federal court in hopes of getting some kind of justice. Because when you have things going on, we've seen it in Georgia, we've seen it in Arizona, all these kind of things that are happening, we want to be able to move beyond that. We want to be, to get it in a system where we at least have hopes that we can have appeals that can make it up to the Supreme Court.
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Matt Kittle
I know this is a tough ask because it's early on in the process and I know you're working toward this on your committee. I know Attorney General Pam Bondi is working through this at the Department of Justice. Do you believe there will be true accountability? I think of the long list of names who, the American people who, who really do value justice, blind justice in America, they see players like even your own colleagues on the left side of the aisle, Adam Schiff, who, you know, blatantly lied, you know, has been censored, censured because of his, his activities, his conduct. You see the prosecutions in the D.C. office. You see what happened in Manhattan with the, you know, the Banana Republic show trial. Will any of these folks ever be held accountable, do you believe?
Representative Mark Harris
I hope they will be. Matt. I'll be honest with you. I, I think that there is such a volume of material here of things that this administration is seeking to work through. I have all the confidence in the world in Attorney General Bondi I think the American public, in many ways, when they watched her handle her confirmation hearings, they saw somebody that was in complete control of what she was doing. And she responded so well. And I think the American people have confidence in her. And I do think that she's going to do all she can to clean up the Justice Department and I believe hold accountable as they do uncover things. I know one of the things that we talked about in the early weeks of me joining the Judiciary Committee, this is my first term in Congress, and I'm honored to be on the Judiciary Committee with Chairman George One of the things that we talked about early on when we were discussing what would happen this year was bringing in the once the administration was in place, bringing in some of the folks that had taken these seats and allow them to testify to us and allow us to ask questions about what they had found inside their department, again, to shine the light on it and again, I believe, to move public opinion to expose the realities, because these folks listen, they must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they have broken the law. And again, many people have been the victims of this kind of lawfare. And I think you do have a Justice Department at the present that wants to get to the bottom of it. And I think that that would be a great deterrent perhaps to it ever happening again if we did have some prosecutions that moved forward.
Matt Kittle
Well, this subcommittee can definitely help. You're already doing the heavy lifting, taking the testimony, getting the records. But I tell you, you could not have joined a more important committee as the Judiciary Committee. You know, I don't think most Americans fully understand how important the work of what, you know, the chairman, Jim Jordan, has done, of course, comer in oversight and I think of representative Style, your colleague as well, from, from Wisconsin, regarding House administration. Those three committees have done just tremendous work in shining a light, getting the word out about just how dangerous this operation has been in terms of the weaponization of justice. What, what would you like to see ultimately your subcommittee accomplish because you're dealing with, you know, the really the roots of this matter.
Representative Mark Harris
I think our subcommittee has an opportunity to look at a myriad of things that are happening. I mean, we've, we've got needs in our judicial system that I think our committee is going to have the opportunity to deal with. We have, we have rogue jud that I think are going to need to be called into account. And I know that's some of the conversation that's going on right now up here in Congress, but I really think that really getting our Justice Department back to what I touched on earlier, where there is a strong increase in confidence in the American people, that there are competent people and there are people that are going to believe justice is blind, that are not looking for a person's politics to determine whether or not we're going to move forward with prosecution or whether we're just going to turn a blind eye to it and act like it didn't happen. I think the biggest thing that our committee can do is to restore the confidence in the American people that there is a new sheriff in town, there is a new administration that is seeking to get things back in order. And I think this president is doing that. I mean, he is across the board, not only just through what we're doing in Judicial Committee, but he's moving forward in his promises made, promises kept. And I think this is an important piece of the overall picture of restoring confidence in leadership. You know, one of the questions I've been asked over the last day or two is what were you feeling when you were in that room Tuesday night and the president was delivering that joint address? And I said, one of the things that was going through is how grateful I am that we truly have a president, a leader, a visionary back in the White House that can cast a vision and then can challenge us. And we in Congress have got to come alongside and keep moving that agenda forward.
Matt Kittle
Well, indeed. The adults in the room have finally arrived. You're dealing with children. I mean, what we saw Tuesday night from the minority party in this country was just nothing more than toddler tantrums. At times, that seems to be all they have to offer. So I ask this question of the work that you're doing on this subcommittee, the work the, you know, the Judiciary Committee is doing, what you're trying to do accomplish in Congress in dealing with the weaponization of justice, can you sustain the onslaught from the accomplice media that is propaganda press that is working alongside, of course, always has. In concert with this temper tantrum left.
Representative Mark Harris
I think we can, I, I think we can overcome that. There, there are so many media outlets now, such as your podcast here, in other ways that are getting the word out, getting the truth out. That is making common sense. And, and I think the more that we are getting the word out, I think we are going to be able to overcome that onslaught. There's no question that the media has been in the pockets of the left, and they've been using them and using them quite well. And to your point, they've also learned how to use this system and have found a level of success of, as they say, sue till it's blue. And they'll continue, no doubt, to use the courts. But again, we've got to continue to put the right people on the courts who have the right understanding. And that's of all of our courts, from our local, state, federal. We've got to have people in those places of responsibility that are going to truly follow the Constitution, are going to understand the importance of just how fragile this republic is. And so much of it does ride on the confidence and the trust being restored in people for what we're doing. So the more that we can find those alternative sources of media to get that word out, the better off we're going to be.
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Hey.
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How's it going today?
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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many cases?
Dan Morgan
The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients.
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Are insurance companies, like, actually afraid of you guys?
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We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.
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So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
Dan Morgan
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Matt Kittle
Wow.
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Dan Morgan
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Matt Kittle
You've been very generous with your time. I know you've got a standing appointment here, so I'll just ask this final question. I'd be remiss if I didn't ask a representative Congress who's representing the great state of North Carolina, how are you folks doing? Because, you know, you were in the headlines. The state was in the headlines every day during the horrible hurricane and storms and the damage that was done. How are you doing? And have you seen a shift in assistance from the Biden administration FEMA efforts to the Trump administration FEMA efforts?
Representative Mark Harris
Well, that's a great question. I appreciate you asking it. And we certainly continue to covet the prayers of folks for the people in western North Carolina. They're still recovering. In fact, a team from my church is actually restoring a house even this week up in Boone, North Carolina. And there's, there's so many groups that are working North Carolina Baptist on Mission Samaritan's Purse. And that's one of the things that I saw, Matt. I had the privilege of flying with the president on Air Force One down to Asheville, his first trip after his inauguration, when he went to Asheville on his way to California to the wildfires. And what I saw that day really was a shift that began that again, is restoring confidence in people. He told it like it was. He exposed the, the shortfalls of FEMA and, and what they had done. And he basically looked at us and said, you know, each state has got to be the ones to lead in their own recovery. And, and because the bottom line is FEMA is not getting it done from Washington, D.C. and the people in the state know the individuals there, they know the resources there. And he said, we're going to get the support, we're going to get the money to you. But the folks within the state need to be the ones taking the lead. And for lack of a better word, they FEMA needed to get out of the way. If they weren't going to help, they were actually hurting the process. So, yes, we have seen some things that have stepped in. This administration has been highly sensitive to what's going on there. We, we are seeing recovery folks getting back in their homes, and we're very grateful for that. But there's, this is going to not be a matter of weeks and months. This is going to be years to, to really rebuild towns and help rebuild the lives of these people who lost everything.
Matt Kittle
Well, God bless you all. I, I know that. I know that is the case. We've seen it so many times before. You know, the, the media comes in, does all kinds of stories and the spotlights for the first week, problems are still there. You're still doing the heavy lifting that it takes to rebuild these communities and God bless you in those efforts.
Representative Mark Harris
Well, thank you for asking about that and thank you for your continued encouragement and support in that.
Matt Kittle
Absolutely. I want to thank my guest today, Representative Mark Harris, Republican representing North Carolina's 8th congressional district. He's a member of the subcommittee, the House Judiciary Committee subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government. They are doing very important work. The committee held a hearing this week, a couple, as a matter of fact, on legislative reforms to end lawfare and state and local prosecutors. Like I said, extremely important work. You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.
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Date: March 6, 2025
Host: Matt Kittle
Guest: Rep. Mark Harris (R-NC), House Judiciary Committee’s Constitution & Limited Government Subcommittee
This episode centers on Congress’s efforts—particularly through the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government—to address "lawfare": the perceived weaponization of the American legal system for political ends. Host Matt Kittle and guest Rep. Mark Harris discuss the recent congressional hearing focused on lawfare, the political dynamics at play, and legislative reforms being proposed to restore trust in the justice system and ensure that legal proceedings are not used to target political figures.
"There were some sparks as you can imagine, during the hearing... My friends on the other side tend to just want to attack Donald Trump. They want to attack Elon Musk, even in these hearings concerning this whole issue of lawfare." (02:49)
"If we don't do something to remove this lawfare... what's going to stop a strong Republican attorney general from going after an individual who's a Democrat simply because of their political persuasion?" (05:19)
"We want to be able for these folks to get their case to federal court in hopes of getting some kind of justice." (11:50)
"I do think that she's going to do all she can to clean up the Justice Department and I believe hold accountable as they do uncover things." (17:32)
"There are so many media outlets now, such as your podcast here, in other ways that are getting the word out, getting the truth out. That is making common sense." (23:27)
"The biggest thing that our committee can do is to restore the confidence in the American people that there is a new sheriff in town, there is a new administration that is seeking to get things back in order." (20:38)
"He basically looked at us and said... each state has got to be the ones to lead in their own recovery. And... FEMA needed to get out of the way." (27:09)
Rep. Mark Harris, on the danger of lawfare:
“There’s a desperate need in this country [for] law and order, without an important, you know, nonpartisan Department of Justice... the American people can’t have confidence in our whole judicial system.” (05:19)
Rep. Mark Harris, on Democratic tactics:
“...offer amendment after amendment after amendment... draw out this process, really, of things that are not even necessarily relevant...” (10:27)
Rep. Mark Harris, on accountability:
"These folks... must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they have broken the law." (17:32)
Rep. Mark Harris, on restoring faith:
"The biggest thing that our committee can do is to restore the confidence in the American people..." (20:38)
Matt Kittle, on partisan media:
"Can you sustain the onslaught from the accomplice media that is propaganda press that is working alongside... this temper tantrum left?" (22:45)
This episode provides a conservative perspective on legal proceedings involving political figures and explores proposed congressional steps to curb “lawfare.” Rep. Harris and Matt Kittle argue that restoring faith in the judicial system and ensuring accountability is paramount, notably through judicial reform, legislative safeguards, and reliance on alternative media to counter traditional coverage. The discussion is passionate, marked by sharp criticism of Democratic strategies, and maintains a strong message on nonpartisan justice as foundational to American democracy.