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‘You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway And David Harsanyi, Ep. 191: The Problem With Hollywood
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Join Washington Examiner Senior Writer David Harsanyi and Federalist Editor-In-Chief Mollie Hemingway as they discuss the Oscars' irrelevance, dissect the media's fascination with environmentalist Paul Ehrlich and his erroneous overpopulation...
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Molly Hemingway
Foreign.
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David Harsanyi
Welcome back, everyone, to a new episode of you Were Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist, and David Harsanyi, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please do so at radio@the federalist.com we love to hear from you, Molly. Did you watch the Oscars?
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Molly Hemingway
I did not. I did not even know that they were going to be on until like and that day and I was in Vegas and I was not going to stop things to watch the Oscars.
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David Harsanyi
No, you're not going to stop your Vegas stuff.
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Molly Hemingway
Did you watch them?
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David Harsanyi
No, I did not. But I went to see, I, I think One Battle after Another won many of the awards, not all of them. I saw Michael Beat Jordan as middle initial one best actor. But I went to see like, what of which of these movies have I actually seen, right? And I did see one battle after next after another. Did you watch that movie?
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Molly Hemingway
No, but Mark did. And you know, it's. Who's the guy who wrote the book that was based on Thomas Pinchon?
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David Harsanyi
I don't know.
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Molly Hemingway
Yeah, you know, he likes Pinchon and he's made me read Pinchone and I've done that. I mean, I enjoy it, but sort of also, it's very weird and I do love Paul Thomas Anderson. So I, I would go see it, but I just didn't, I didn't. It didn't seem enjoyable enough for me to want to go see it, but like, if I had nothing else to do and it was streaming, then I would watch that.
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David Harsanyi
Probably it is streaming. And when you.
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Molly Hemingway
Okay, well, fine. You showed me to be a liar.
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David Harsanyi
Just so people know. On hbo, I think, or Max or whatever it's called now. This movie is so weird to me. I have really conflicting feelings about it. Like, I hate it and love it at the same time throughout the whole movie. And a lot of people call it sort of commie slop because it's kind of, or they say it's glorifying the weatherman and that kind of terroristic activity and that some of it's about kind of illegal immigration. But I didn't really find it that as political as people say. I think it was a bit goofy and it actually showed the terrorists as just pathetic people, basically. You know, I mean, I, I just, I know he's been writing this movie a long time. Vineland came out in maybe the 80s or 90s. I forget. I just don't think it's really as topical as people say. And it's really brilliantly made, I think. But it is probably my least favorite movie of his. But anyway, the other movies you saw, Hamnet I saw.
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Molly Hemingway
I'm looking at the list of ten best picture nominees. I saw two of them. One is F1, which was clearly chosen just because they know that people think they only choose movies that nobody has watched. And I loved F1. I thought it was great. And then the other one was Hamnet, which you might remember, I loathed so much. And I believe I said on the show, that chick's gonna win the best actress award at the Oscars. And I was right. She did.
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David Harsanyi
Now, setting aside the content of the movie, do she seems like a pretty good actress? Do you think she was? No. Okay.
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Molly Hemingway
No, no, no. I mean, you know, everything annoying about actors and how they overdo everything, that was her. I mean, I don't know how much of this was the part as written and how much was her, but actually, I think this was a her thing. She really got into the drama of this thing. And the part that. That just lost me forever is when she's married to William Shakespeare, but doesn't know how plays work and sees the performance of Hamlet and loses her mind over it. And I'm like. I just. I find that to be embarrassing. And she gave a really nice speech about the beauty of being a mother and a wife at the Oscars, and I like that. But I feel like most. I don't know, I just thought it was way overdone. And I knew she was. She was chewing at that to get an Oscar, and, boy, did that work out for her.
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David Harsanyi
You know, when you get older and you feel. Well, I know. I know this. You feel out of touch with kind of popular culture in a way, because you. Like. One of my kids mentioned a singer I'd never heard of. They're like, this person has a million hits. How could you not have heard of them? But I only. So I saw F1 as well. The only other movie I want to see on the list, I think, is Marty supreme, which.
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Molly Hemingway
Which, yeah, I feel like having. Having seen the Uncut Diamonds by the same guy who did that. I have maxed out at my ability to see a frenetic, chaotic, you know, cocained up kind of movie. I'm done. I don't need to see anymore.
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David Harsanyi
I had to. I had to stop watching Uncut Gems. It was too much.
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Molly Hemingway
Oh, yeah.
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David Harsanyi
It was just making me nervous.
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Molly Hemingway
Exactly.
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David Harsanyi
I never heard of. So there are movies on here I've literally never heard of. Train Dreams Never heard of it. Sentimental value.
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Molly Hemingway
Never heard of Train Dreams. I didn't even know it existed.
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David Harsanyi
Sentimental value. Never. Secret Agent that I heard of because it has Emma Stone and stuff.
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Molly Hemingway
But I've heard of Emma Stone, but I've never heard of Begonia. I'd heard of Sinners. I guess I now understand why people were talking about Frankenstein a bit, but I didn't know it was a movie that was out in theaters.
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David Harsanyi
Let me give you 1975's list when people made good movies that were. Had high artistic quality but were also had mainstream. You know, Paul, One who Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, one Best Picture. People still watch that movie. Barry Lyndon is a Kubrick movie. I don't know that people watch it. It's fantastic. Dog Day Afternoon. People still watch that movie. Jaws basically ushered in the big blockbuster movie. And Nashville by Altman, which I also think is a classic. The next year, 76, Rocky, all the President's Men Bound for Glory. I don't know that movie network which is good. Taxi Driver, you know. Next year, Annie hall, the Goodbye Girl, Julia, Star Wars.
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Molly Hemingway
Like these are movies that whatever your age was at that time, everyone kind of knew and they were part of the popular consciousness for sure.
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David Harsanyi
The next year, Deer Hunter, Coming Home, Heaven Can Wait, Midnight Express. Like just movies that everyone shared. Yeah. In the common culture, they all were artists. Had a high artistic merit, but also had an appeal to a normal person. Next year, Kramer versus Kramer. All that Jazz. Apocalypse Now, Breaking Away. There's something wrong in Hollywood right now. Where they can only make. And not always, but for the most part they'll make slop or something that's so artsy that people can't. Don't really want to see it. Like 19. I'm just picking years. 1995, Braveheart 1, Apollo 13, Babe, Sense and Sensibility. The next year, English Patient, Fargo, Jerry Maguire. Like people still watch these movies. I think you think anyone's. Remember Parasite won everything a few years ago. That Karina.
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Molly Hemingway
Okay, this is another thing I wanted to mention because I think someone won for K Pop Demon Hunters. She. She won some award. I don't know what it was. Yeah, because, you know, K Pop Demon Hunters, that was pretty successful.
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David Harsanyi
I know what K Pop is. I don't know what that is. Is it. Was it a movie?
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Molly Hemingway
It was a movie. And this woman, hold on, she won something. And she gets up there and she's like. I am so glad that finally, for the first time in history, like Asians or Koreans, I don't know Are. Are able to be recognized here. What was her speech? Did you hear this? Oh, it was best animated. Best animated film. And she's like, you know, it's just so important that we. We, you know, these things be represented. And I'm like, okay, a. I don't even know on what standard she's talking. If we're talk. Talking animation. There's certainly been plenty of Asian representation in leading roles in animation. And then Parasite won best picture a couple years ago.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah, but how about like two years ago? Everything everywhere, all at once won. And Michelle Yao starred in that movie like she was the star of that movie.
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Molly Hemingway
Like, grievance culture is lame anyway. But when you have forgotten what happened last year in order to enable your grievance culture, it's even more annoying, I guess.
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David Harsanyi
In 2023, Oppenheimer won, and that kind of combines our art and reach. I don't really know how well that movie did. It probably did okay. I don't even know.
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Molly Hemingway
Oh, I don't think, like, you could. You could pick Oscars that were deserving or good winners or whatnot. The problem isn't really with the Oscars. It's with Hollywood. Hollywood has failed to capture the imagination for many years now. It'll occasionally get something in there in a given year, a couple things. But it is. It is true. It's not just us being like, oh, in our day, there were good movies. I mean, in many people's days, there were really good movies, you know, going back generations, where people enjoyed that experience of going to a theater, having a shared cultural moment. Now, not all of it is Hollywood's fault. Some of it is just technology and enabling people to watch movies at home. You know, all that kind of stuff. But it's also true that Hollywood has severely declined in its ability to capture the imagination. Sadly, yeah.
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David Harsanyi
Martin Scorsese a few years ago said that those Marvel movies were like amusement parks, not like art. I think he's right about that. But like, in 2021, a movie named Coda won. I don't even know what that is. Last year, a movie named Anora won. I don't know what that is. I feel like I'm online a lot and I should know what the best picture movie is. I rarely ever have the inclination to go see a film in the theater anymore. Last movie I saw was the third Raiders of the Lost Ark, which was re released on Father's Day, like, last year. I think that's what I go to anyway. Make better movies, please. Next topic. Let's Talk about Paul Ehrlich, who died this week at 93. I don't know if how like famous he was or well known he was by younger people, but he was, he was maybe the most famous scientists in American culture for a long time, I'd say. Right. Was Carl Sagan like an officially a scientist. I forget what his background was, but he was on that level. I couldn't believe this. I knew he had been on the Tonight show, which was huge in the 70s, 80s, 90s, once or twice. He was on two dozen times. He was on every major show. And in those days when there were three networks, these things mattered a lot. For people who don't know, he was the author of the Population Bomb, which I don't know if it introduced the idea of overpopulation but into the American vernacular or whatever, but it definitely played a big part of it. He was anti humanist. He was a eugenicist, basically a false prophet. He was a complete fascist. His books are filled with ideas about compulsory abortion, infertilization, forcing people to take pills, spiking the water supply. Like he was absolutely insane. And he is the father of modern environmentalism, the doomsday apocalyptic Malthusian ideas that, that accompanied it. He was just a terrible, terrible person. I don't usually like to speak badly of the recently deceased, but he deserves it.
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Molly Hemingway
Well, yes, he was very popular. He was very influential, I think, you know, you said you weren't sure if he originated the effort to shame people for having more than two children, but he definitely popularized that concept. Corporate media loved him, apparently. Sadly enough, Johnny Carson loved him. He was everywhere growing up in the 70s and 80s and he did a lot to. Yeah, he did. He, he wanted. One of his big goals was to make it so that it was culturally unacceptable to have properly sized families. And so. And it worked. I mean, it was definitely something that a lot of people accepted in conjunction with their own, you know, seemingly selfish desires. I don't know if having small families works out as well as people think it will, think it will in terms of happiness. But yeah, bad guy. And he was always wrong in what he was doing. But that was no barrier to the media continuing to use him as a, as a quote, expert source.
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Podcast Host
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one 20 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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David Harsanyi
Awesome.
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Podcast Host
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.
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Podcast Host
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me.
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David Harsanyi
Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you in 202360 Minutes. 202360 Minutes ran an entire segment revolving around him and his prediction that we were in the sixth, sixth extinction of earth. He had predicted like 30 of them and was never right. But that didn't stop CBS from putting him back on television without even mentioning how wrong he was for how long he was wrong. So for instance, the opening line of, of the population bomb is the battle to feed all of humanity is over. He said oceans would be without life by 1979. The US population would crater to 23 million people by 1999. And on and on. On the COVID of the book, the paperback, while you were reading these words, three children are dying of starvation and 24 more babies are being born. So just quickly, in 1970, 37 of the world was suffering from, from hunger. In 2024, only 8% did. The world uses 70% less land to produce the same number of crops it did in 1970. There was a thing called the Green Revolution. Not, you know, not the one in Iran, but in, in the 60s where, where, where land use was more, you know, made more efficient and we made more food and this and that and he ignored that and yet he was constantly be putting, being put on tv. Now I don't know if you remember John Holdren, who was the Obama science sar, just to tell you what his influence was that science or wrote a book, sorry, wrote a book with him and his wife Anne Ulrich, who's also terrible, that argued that population control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion can be sustained under the existing constitution. And they argued for population control in that way. People don't remember because they weren't born yet. And I was Just a little baby. That the whole abortion movement had a lot to do with population control as well. It wasn't merely a woman's right to choose. There was a lot of talk of population control. And if you remember, Ruth Bader Ginsburg admitted as much. I forgot what year it was where she said that she remembered.
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Molly Hemingway
She combined the like racism and the eugenics. The orus eugenics typically is racist.
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David Harsanyi
But yes, she said, I wanted to
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Molly Hemingway
get rid of populations that we had too many of.
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David Harsanyi
Exactly. I thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was a concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of.
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Molly Hemingway
Like, what are those, Ruth?
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David Harsanyi
No one asked her.
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Podcast Host
What.
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David Harsanyi
Who are we talking about here? Which populations are we talking about? Anyway, the kind of, you know, the kind of doomsday, end of world predictions that he made became the norm. I mean, Al Gore said that Population Bomb was seminal in his thinking and that he, you know, that. That Ulrich was a prophet and a person and a visionary. And the New York Times ran his obituary. Right. And in his obituary, in the subhead, it says that he was the godfather of the modern environment. Environmental movement. But he faced criticism when his predictions proved premature.
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Molly Hemingway
Premature. That is a very interesting word for completely false. In every way it's possible to be false.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah, it's the antithesis of reality, what happened. And the funny thing is that the premature line, you know, that the claim that he merely got the timing wrong is. Goes to the heart of modern environmentalism and the apocalyptic nature of what they say. They simply cannot or will not accept that human ingenuity and adaptability can outpace scarcity. And, you know, that's what it is. And people are interested in this. I don't remember the man's name, the author's name, but there's a. There's a. There's a book called the Bet, which is about Ehrlich's bet with Julian Simon. Bet that Simon won, where he let Earl pick five natural resources. Yeah. Anything he wanted. And that was, would they experience shortages and would the price go up or down? Over a decade's time. And Simon won on all counts, all five. And if the bet was still going, he would still be winning, like, you know, whatever, years later, almost 50 years later. Anyway, terrible man, Julian Simon. Great man. People should read about him if they don't know.
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Molly Hemingway
Though I do think there's this bigger problem in our culture. I don't know if it's like that. We've moved away from honor. Don't have any sense of shame that people can be wrong about something, and then they just move on like, there's no issue. We don't quite have that luxury as the type of journalist that we are. If we get something wrong, we have to say it. We have to explain why, or else people won't respect us. And we're not perfect. We get things wrong. But I was thinking about this actually with Cassidy Hutchinson. This was the woman who said that Trump tried to take over the Beast on January 6, and she had all these stories that nobody else could in any way match. And when she testified. So first off, actually there, you know, there was enough about her that nobody should have ever believed her. And Tristan justice and I did a lot of reporting on this, showing that she had dramatically changed her story after some weird meetings with Liz Cheney. And when she testified, everyone in the corporate media just praised her beyond belief. They're like, this changes everything. This will woman's amazing. Peggy Noonan blurbed her book, her book in which she lied about me, by the way. Cassidy Hutchinson and more recently, Jack Smith had to testify in front of various congressional committees. And he's, like, asked, why didn't they use this explosive testimony as part of their lawfare against Trump? And he was like, well, even for us. And we were willing to do whatever it took to go after Trump. Obviously, this woman was crazy and we couldn't use her testimony. And what happened to all those people who were blurbing her book or praising her or saying that, you know, she changed everything. They just moved on. Like, yeah, I'm the type of person that's so stupid. I fall for Cassidy Hutchinson. And you should continue to believe what I have to say about the next thing. And it just bothers me. Like, Paul Ehrlich was wrong about everything. There should be accountability for that. There is none. Because the New York Times says, oh, he. He was just a bit premature about his doomsday scenario instead of being honest and saying we were idiots to have ever fallen for it. Right?
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David Harsanyi
Oh, yes. There's a shamelessness that goes on these days, and it's kind of. It's getting worse and worse where people just not only. There's just. When I was starting out as a journalist and I had to correct a story, it was like a big deal. You were scared to do it. It was embarrassing. You had to go in, you had to explain to the editor why you made the mistake, how it happened, what you were going to do in the future to ensure that it didn't happen.
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Molly Hemingway
Now it's like pat on the head. Good job.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah. Look, I'm so sorry this happened. So you were really nervous about it and you did your best not to have to correct things. There's no, there's none of that anymore. The people who lied about the Russia gates, Russia collusion stuff, they all still are still working the people. What's her name? Natasha. Whatever her name is. I see her out there.
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Molly Hemingway
GPS Natasha, Fusion, GPS Bertrand.
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David Harsanyi
She's playing the same scam now with what's going on in Iran, where she takes a little snippet of someone. Someone gave her, you know, to. To put the United States in poor light or whatever, and she just passes. Passes it along so there's none of that. And then, honestly, in, in the. Once we democratize the medium, we have this going on on the right, frankly, as well, is like, there's no hierarchy. There's no editor to say, you can't. You shouldn't say this. You don't have proof. And I think audiences, unfortunately seek out things they want to hear, not things that are true for the most part. Not everyone, but too many people. I sometimes don't know where to turn. I mean, I see a New York Times. New York Times, for instance, has a huge newsroom and they have foreign desks. So you sometimes are the only people who can actually bring you some information from certain countries. But then you're like, how can I believe anything they write when they so brazenly lie about other things? I mean, they have the same editor in chief, they have the same leadership there. So I don't even know where I'm going with this other than to say that it's a bad time for journalism in the United States in general, and it has a lot to do with the shamelessness you're talking about.
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Podcast Host
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do?
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Molly Hemingway
Wow.
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Podcast Host
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Molly Hemingway
Speaking of foreign reporting and whatnot, what do you think about the current situation with Iran?
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David Harsanyi
As far as the reporting goes or just in general?
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Molly Hemingway
I don't know, whatever. We're just trying to segue to the next topic.
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David Harsanyi
Listen, I, I feel a little bit like there's a lot of skepticism about what we're doing from people, which is understandable after Iraq and all of that. But there is a flip side to this where in the early 2000s, the media cheered on the Iraq war and the Afghan war and were fooled a lot of times by the government. And now it feels like the opposite. It feels like there's just a negativity and a weird way to frame everything as a loss. When I think the, the, the whole operation has been an incredible success as far as any kind of context of war goes. It's been incredible. Nothing's perfect. There's going to, there are going to be things that are hard to overcome, but in general, it's been good. And yet if, when I read CNN or other mainstream or establishment media outlets, you think we were losing this war. You think we're in Vietnam. We're literally not even. We're not done with the third week of this thing.
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Molly Hemingway
Well, this, this is kind of what I was thinking about when you were talking about media coverage of foreign reporters or foreign, foreign issues that are in the New York Times when the, when Russia invaded Ukraine and that war began. And to the, to some extent, like to the current moment, a, it just blows me away that nobody talks about that war, which is ongoing. And we got like so little coverage of it that shows the hardship of war. Like when Israel went to war with Hamas, or Hamas, I guess you say, went to war with Israel, we got nothing but pictures of the hardship. But nobody gets pictures of the Ukrainian, Russian thing or not. Nobody, but it's just less than there should be. But the media would say over and over again that Russia was like within hours of defeat, days of defeat. Ukraine was doing just amazingly well and it didn't seem to match with the reality on the ground of how bad this war was and would get. And then similarly on the Iran situation, they're trying to say the war isn't going well for the US when clearly, you know, on just like a day to day measure, we're obliterating them. And they're not being honest about that in any way because they, because they are leading with the criticism of the war. And it is an unpopular war. I mean, it's one of the most unpopular. People keep on being like, oh, MAGA loves this war. They've never loved anything so much as they love this war, which obscures that this is probably the least popular war we've ever been in in terms of the general population, which also matters politically. But the media are just, I think, lying about how the US is, how the saying that the US Is not achieving its objectives when by most measures it is,
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David Harsanyi
it is the least popular war among the general population. I think because of Trump, frankly, that's maybe not. I would challenge anyone to give me a war that was more successful than this one in its first three weeks. I mean, I challenge them to, to ask them what, which, which conflict have we been in? The Iraq successful.
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Molly Hemingway
The Iraq war was pretty successful the
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David Harsanyi
first year it was, but nothing like this. I mean, it took us forever to find Saddam Hussein. How. I forget how long we have eliminated entire tiers of Iranian leadership. We are down to like fourth tier. You cannot. The institutional knowledge.
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Molly Hemingway
Afghanistan was pretty successful in the first couple days, weeks.
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David Harsanyi
This country has ballistic missiles. This country had a massive army. I just, I don't think there's been anything that's as successful militarily as this one. Whether the regime falls apart is a different question. Whether, whether how things work out is a different question. There's strategic goals, but even those goals in many ways have been met.
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Molly Hemingway
But think back to Fordo last June, that was supposedly really successful. That supposedly destroyed their nuclear program for a decade. And then it turned out it didn't even last six months or whatever.
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David Harsanyi
So listen, it's a genuine debate to have whether we should go in or not and deal with Iran now or not. I think it was the right thing to do. But the success of the military end of this thing. I just don't even understand how anyone could believe that we're not winning by any historical standard.
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Molly Hemingway
So what is the thing you always say about how you supported the Iraq war? The thing you always emphasize?
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David Harsanyi
I don't know.
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Molly Hemingway
Everybody, everybody supported the Iraq war at the time that it was launched. So this war is not more popular than the Iraq war. Not by far, actually. And then that war came to be seen as a like grievous mistake on the part of the United States. So I kind of don't like the polling approach anyway. Plus it seems like an information op, almost like nobody's talking about the polling showing that this is uniquely unpopular in the history of American wars. They just keep saying there's no debate in maga. Everyone in MAGA loves this war. There's no dissent among maga. I don't even know what MAGA means exactly. If it. I don't know how. I, I don't have a ton of trust in polls, first off. Definitely don't have trust in people to accurately calculate who is or who is not maga. And it just seems weird to me that we're not talking in a broader way about it, given that in order for a war to be successfully prosecuted, you have to have kind of broad support, wouldn't you say?
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David Harsanyi
Well, I believe people talk about the MAGA polling specifically is because there's article. There are articles all over the place about a civil war within maga. Again, what is that? I don't know. I would say people who voted for Donald, you know, who like Donald Trump and voted for him. Supposedly there is this great split going on in this great debate when that's really not true. Most people who voted for Donald Trump support this war according to polls. Maybe polls are wrong, I don't know. But if you don't believe that, then you can't believe that it's the mo, you know, the least popular war either. I mean, either we believe some polling or we don't. I think probably generally they get it right. It is probably not that popular.
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Molly Hemingway
That's what I think. It can be over. I think polling can be over interpreted and over manufactured. I do, I mean, I do have general distrust of polling based on who's doing it, what the questions are. But I don't dispute that the vast majority of Donald Trump supporters Support Donald Trump. Like, it's almost circular logic, like, do you support Donald Trump? Yes. Do you support him here? Yes.
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David Harsanyi
Just a quick thing. If I ask someone, do you support Donald Trump's war against the Iranian people or however they ask it? Right. It'll, I'll say, if I'm a person, just an average person doesn't pay attention to everything that's going on, I might say no. If I say, do you support the United States stopping the Iranian nuclear and ballistic program of the terror state of Iran, then I'm going to be for it.
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Molly Hemingway
So that's always, that's my point about how they ask the questions. It's, like, important. And people don't pay enough attention to that when they're analyzing polls, which already have their weaknesses.
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David Harsanyi
But, and I, and I will say, I, we know Iran had a new program. I mean, it's a completely different story. They built reactors and facilities 300ft under granite Mountains. And we know what they were doing. Now, where they were in that process is definitely up for debate, but we know it was happening. And so it's a different. I think, yeah, it's a different situation. Yeah.
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Molly Hemingway
Back to, back to the issue.
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David Harsanyi
One quick thing. You're right. I don't care if I'm the only person in the whole entire country thinks it's good war. I'm going to say it's a good war. We're just talking about the politics of it right here.
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Molly Hemingway
Yeah. Well, okay, so back to this idea that there's no dissent among Trump voters about this war. First off, I'd point out that the independent vote, which was a big part of the Trump vote, is extremely against the war. But, and you know, for the Republicans, they need a coalition that includes not just people who by definition will vote Republican no matter what, but also people who are more flexible in their voting. So you have to care a little about, to care a lot about it, actually. But there's also the issue of enthusiasm among the average Republican. I don't know what average Republican means, but how about enthusiasm among all the different groups of Republicans that you need to turn out for polling for elections? And I'd seen this tweet from Jeremy Carl, who just had his nomination killed by the quote, unquote, Republican senator from Utah, Curtis. But he's like, my position on Iran, on Iran is I want whatever to happen there that enables the deportation of all the illegal aliens here. And it was just a reminder that as much as people support Trump in his efforts here with Iran, they really, really care about their own and the, you know, the future success of their own country. They understand that part of that is related to Iran having nuclear or ballistic capabilities. But they also know that there are a lot of problems here that are very hard to prosecute when you're also prosecuting a war.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah, well, Jeremy Carl's false choice doesn't really make any sense because the idea
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Molly Hemingway
that he didn't make a fault, he was.
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David Harsanyi
That is a false choice.
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Molly Hemingway
He didn't make a choice at all. He's like, basically like saying, I don't really care what happens there so long as it doesn't affect what needs to happen here.
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David Harsanyi
That's not what it sounds like to me. It sounds like he's saying you're ignoring what's happening here because you're doing that. You're, you're.
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Molly Hemingway
Sounds like you're being defensive there.
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David Harsanyi
But I'm just saying I think I hear this false choice all the time where you can't do two things at once. The United States that we talked about, the constitutionality of this. But the president's main job actually is to. Is one of his main jobs is foreign policy.
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Molly Hemingway
But anyway, I want to point out being invaded by hordes of illegal aliens is a foreign policy issue too. I was talking to someone who is at the State Department after the Venezuela operation, and he was saying, like, he's all for that. It's good. And the amount of resources that had to be transferred to dealing with that took them away from some issues domestically that they were hoping to have greater success with. I mean, time and time and human resources are limited as well. And so there's no need to. There's no need to not do all the things. But it can be hard to do all the things when you are being pulled in 28 different directions.
- [37:03]
Podcast Host
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [37:06]
Dan Morgan
Hey. How's it going today?
- [37:07]
Podcast Host
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [37:10]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [37:25]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [37:38]
Podcast Host
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan what would I do if I got into an accident?
- [37:43]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [37:53]
Molly Hemingway
Wow.
- [37:53]
Podcast Host
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [37:57]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [38:02]
David Harsanyi
Your initial contention was that you need widespread support to make things happen. Essentially, not not everyone, but you need a majority of people, let's say, to back you to have effective policy. In the end, it's not going to work otherwise. You're saying the Iran war is unpopular, but the least popular thing that Trump has done are tariffs. But yet you would not take. Donald Trump stopped doing tariffs because they're incredibly unpopular with independents. Incredibly, they're not even popular with his own voters. I mean, they're more popular there than elsewhere or even the ICE raids. By the way, when you look at polling, it became incredibly unpopular after what happened in Minnesota, even though I think it was the right thing to do. So it seems to me that a lot of you know these, I don't know what.
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Molly Hemingway
So that's, that's a great example, actually. Okay, so deporting illegal aliens is a majority supported operation in the U.S. but as you note, the media coverage was such that it was creating some issues for the Trump administration. And so what did they do? They stopped it. They were like, you know what? This, Trump was like, this is going poorly, so we'll just shut it down. We're not going to fight antifa in Minnesota. We're not going to dismantle the antifa networks that are killing MAGA voters and leaders. We're just going to back out and let Tim Waltz win and Jacob Fry win, and we'll just, just will just back down. But then when the polling shows that the Iran war is very unpopular, what does Trump say? I don't care about polling. And I think people do appreciate that sometimes he doesn't care about polling, but they would appreciate that just as much in domestic policy goals as with his foreign policy goals. And if he doesn't have it just as much for his domestic policy goals as his foreign policy goals, it opens him up to criticism that he cares more about the war in Iran than he cares about deporting criminal illegal aliens, which might not be, might not be a big issue for you, but it is a big issue for some MAGA voters. And so even if they're going to say, yeah, I support Trump in his war. They also might feel demoralized when it comes to, like, showing up to vote in midterm elections.
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David Harsanyi
The. But the administration has not stopped deporting. They've just re. Re focused where they're doing it. They're, they have continued to build barriers on the southern border. They have not abandoned it. They just have abandoned a place where they engaged in it in a way that turned off Americans. But you keep ignoring the fact that protectionism is one of the, is less popular than anything Donald Trump has done on that point.
- [40:49]
Molly Hemingway
I actually do think it matters to some extent what the people like or don't like. I think you should be responsive to that. I don't mean that you be a slave to it, but you should be responsive if, if you need to do war with Iran, even though 80% of the country opposes it. I'm not saying that's an accurate number, but you need to do it because they're going to blow you to smithereens. You have to ignore the public perception there. But that doesn't mean that you ignore like, if people are opposed to tariffs and you need them to kind of buy into it in order to, for it to succeed over the long term, that's an issue. And I, you know, I, I don't hate the views of the people like so many people seem to do, like they matter. And you need people to buy into your, into your political strategy, whether that's domestic or foreign. You don't need it like completely, but you need to have it be part of the, part of the operation.
- [41:44]
David Harsanyi
I just notice a lot of folks who would be react, you know, who wouldn't want to engage Iran no matter what was going on, if it was imminent, if it wasn't, if they were getting nukes or whatever and are very big on protectionism. Use one argument for one and the other and then ignore that argument when it comes to the problems with their other positions.
- [42:08]
Molly Hemingway
What did you think of the resignation of the National Counterterrorism director, or whatever his name was. Was Joe Kent. Yes.
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David Harsanyi
The U.S. counterterrorism director, I think it was, who was mad that we're killing too many terrorists. So weird position to take. But his letter I thought was just, it's hard for me to understand how people like this get into the administration. Let's just say his letter wasn't insane and he said a lot of insane things in it and these are his real beliefs. Shouldn't Donald Trump, I mean, you've said it before. Shouldn't he have people who want to help him with his mission? I mean, since 1988 or 87, Donald Trump has been saying that the Iranians can't have nukes, that the Iranians need to be punished. And yet you have people in there who are not on board, like this guy who a decorated soldier. You know, everyone's like, how dare you speak about this man. We're not a fascist state. I get to the civilians run the military and I get to, I get to be critical of whoever I feel like. The point is that he is not a serious person if he actually believes the stuff in this letter. He has taken the exact opposite position on virtually everything he said in that letter when he was running for Congress. He literally sent a ape. APAC has a letter from him where he says that Israeli intelligence saved his life and has helped the United States, etc. Etc. He was pro Iran war on numerous occasions and now he sounds like, you know, one of these Israel obsessed conspiracists like Tucker Carlson or whatever. I mean I just. And he's going to appear on Tucker Carlson's show. He's going to appear on Candace Owens show. I don't know, I just don't understand how people like this get into the administration, I guess.
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Molly Hemingway
So this might be pedantic of me, but the number one thing I cannot stand or okay, this is not the most important thing about it perhaps, but if you work at the pleasure of the president or someone else like that, and there is a problem where you don't feel you can in good conscience continue to do your duty, I do think you should resign rather than stay on. I think it's frequent or think generally speaking, you should resign rather than stay on. Unless there is some really good reason why you would think you could ethically justify undermining the president or the leader and basically lying to them about your fidelity to them, you should resign. But I also think you should resign quietly. I don't know if that makes sense, but like, you should, you should resign. But then you shouldn't make it all about you. You should just resign. Say as little as possible and, and maybe like at some later date, do something. I understand how Washington D.C. people make themselves the center of, of everything.
- [45:06]
David Harsanyi
I completely, completely agree with that. But, but the problem here isn't just that. And I actually would respect someone who said, listen, I don't think this is the right mission. I'm not the man to help you with this, to see this through. But he lied about his positions he had the opposite positions when he needed, wanted that job. He's on record left and right talking about Iran as a terrorist state.
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Molly Hemingway
But yet you can hold on though. You can have a variety of opinions about how to counter Iran. And it seems like his problem isn't with, you know, it's not like he loves Iran. He just doesn't agree with the particular approach we're taking right now. You can oppose Iran and not want to get involved in, for instance, a land war. You yourself don't want to get involved in a land war with Iran. Right. Or are you now at that level
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David Harsanyi
that you're, I mean, if we have to drop special forces to take something or whatever like that, I'm fine with boots on the ground.
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Molly Hemingway
You can at least understand the theory. Like you can be opposed to that regime without thinking that it's wise or prudent to get involved in a war.
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David Harsanyi
I don't have all his quotes in front of me, but he was a, I know you don't like the word. He was literally a hawk on this. It wasn't just some kind of strategic difference. Setting that aside, and I forgot what I was going to say, it reminds me of Anonymous or, or what that guy's name was.
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Molly Hemingway
Well, no, it's more, it's more respectable than Anonymous because it's not Anonymous. You know what I mean? At least he put his name to it so he can be held accountable for what he said. I don't think it's that bad. I just don't like it when there's a big production like this. But, but having said all that, if he feels this way, it's good for him to leave and he can explain, I guess, more fully elsewhere.
- [46:49]
David Harsanyi
I mean, I thought I, you mentioned this earlier, but to me, but I, I thought that, that the press secretary had a good, generally good reaction to, to this, though. Her notion that just because Donald Trump won a lot of votes, he gets to do whatever he wants without Congress is offensive to me.
- [47:09]
Molly Hemingway
I think to speak of Caroline Levitt's response to him, which was very long, that I think this might be a way to handle this. So to tie it together with the discussion about, you know, Trump supporters support Trump, but the other people don't. And she says there are many false claims in this letter, but let me address one specifically, colon, that Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation. This is the same false claim that Democrats and some in the liberal media have been repeating over and over. As President Trump has clearly and explicitly stated he had strong and compelling evidence that Iran was going to attack the United States first. This evidence was compiled from many sources and factors. So I think it would be good to know where that information came from and what that information is insofar as it can be shared with the American people. I think that would do a lot to. If it's strong and compelling, that would be good for people who are to be good to build support, I think, and to know the quality of the evidence. And yes, a lot of this is related to Iraq war, you know, problems that we're still dealing with. But there was strong and compelling evidence supposedly in the Iraq war that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that he was about to deploy. And then it turned out that it wasn't strong or compelling evidence. And so you can't just take people's word for there being strong and compelling evidence. You need to somewhat analyze it. Now, maybe you can't share it for reasons that deal with the safety of the mission, but I think it's something the Trump administration should be thinking about communicating. What was this information? How high quality is it? How do we know how high quality is? Weapons of mass destruction thing? If you, if we could just recall, came from German intelligence and they had a source called Curveball. That is name that just make that it's Curveball, right?
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David Harsanyi
I think so.
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Molly Hemingway
Curveball was a member of an Iraqi family that opposed the Saddam Hussein regime and thought that they might be better able to govern. And he claimed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. And so Germany told the US about it. We never interviewed the guy ourselves. We just took what Germany said. And I think maybe, maybe there was some pushback, like there's no evidence of this. And he said, oh, he's got it like in mobile vans and they're moving it around the country. So that's why you never find it when you're doing inspections. That was also not true. And yet it was the pretext for this massive war in the Middle east that ended up being like a big thing. So why not just share the intel? You know, people are like, glad that Trump isn't like George W. Bush and how he prosecuted the war, including going to the UN and putting together a coalition of the willing and laying out the case for months prior. But there could be like a happy medium of giving some indication, you know, of this.
- [50:41]
Podcast Host
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say, hi, Dan.
- [50:44]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [50:45]
Podcast Host
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [50:49]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [50:55]
Podcast Host
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. Wonderful. 20 million is an insane number.
- [51:04]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year and each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [51:16]
Podcast Host
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [51:21]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting. Need to take your call. 247 365.
- [51:31]
Molly Hemingway
Wow.
- [51:31]
Podcast Host
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [51:36]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit for the People.com for an office near you.
- [51:40]
David Harsanyi
The imminent threat thing bothers me and the use of it as the impetus for war or not even the pretext but the, but the reason for war bothers me because I don't know, maybe, maybe it's. You're right, maybe it's compel or maybe she's right. Maybe it's compelling and all that. Maybe it's not. We know that the Iranian regime was trying to get nukes. They've admitted it. We know they had. There was going to be a time where they had so many ballistic missiles and you see they did some damage here but imagine what they would do with, with tons more. They were about to get supersonic missiles from China. The argument that the administration should be making is that if we didn't act now or soon, they were going to get nukes. Most people agree they shouldn't have nukes. Even on the, on the, on the, you know, far right people will say, at least claim they don't want Iran to have nukes. And if we didn't act now, it was going to cost many more American lives. That should be the argument. In my, in my view, I think the American people will understand that the imminent threat thing, imminent can mean a million things. I don't understand why or when we came up with this idea that we have to be minutes away from being attacked before we can ever move against anyone who is trying to hurt us. We, we have tons of evidence. This is nothing like Iraq by the way. Everyone keeps talking about Iraq and, and, and, and how WMDs didn't exist in this and that. But you know what? The Iraqis did use chemical weapons in the past. It wasn't, it wasn't as outlandish as everyone makes it out to be today. You know, there was evidence that they had used against their own people to end the Iranians in, in the war against Iran. Yes, we were wrong. But, but, and I think, you know, the, the democracy building stuff was crazy, but it wasn't as outlandish as, as everyone makes it out to be.
- [53:35]
Molly Hemingway
Whether or not it was outlandish or not to believe that, it is also true that, that, that the sourcing and evidence in support of it was extremely weak and it was presented as being much better than it was.
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David Harsanyi
Yeah. I would also say this. People don't like to hear it, but after 9, 11, and you had to be there, I guess there was a feeling amongst Americans that someone had to pay a price and it wasn't going to be some tribe in Afghanistan. You know what I mean? Someone had to pay.
- [54:05]
Molly Hemingway
Yeah. Steve Hayes wrote the war, wrote the book about how Saddam Hussein was working with Al Qaeda, which was not true at all. Speaking of people who never have to, you know, who get to continue to be experts even after, you know, who
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David Harsanyi
works with Al Qaeda, though? Iran worked with Al Qaeda. Iran not only had Al Qaeda members within their country giving them safe haven, they used Iran as a way through to other areas and nations around the world. And they never had to pay a price for that. Never once. You know, I mean, I'm not saying we should go to war over that. Right now. They killed probably around over 600American soldiers, maimed thousands. I know we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but that doesn't mean you get to hurt Americans. And they've been doing similar things for 47 years. Never forget about that. And Donald Trump had enough, finally. So I don't know how popular it's going to be, but I do think it's successful. All right, you want to talk about culture or did we already? Do you have anything?
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Molly Hemingway
Not really. I have a thing in my family where we get together to celebrate the 21st birthdays of the, you know, of whoever's turning 21. And it's a huge thing. It's like the person turning 21, their parents and siblings and cousins, their grandparents and siblings and cousins. Like, it's just a big thing. And you get to pick where you are. You get to pick where you're. Where you go. Okay, so we all went to Vegas and it was fun. I'm not really a Vegas Person. I don't gamble. I don't go to shows like those kinds of shows and not into like heavy drinking. Yeah, betting, poker, whatever. But it's fun to be with family. And so we had a great time. We went to the Mob Museum. I did my first ever zoom line, which is like a zip line, but you're laying flat that I went on the link, which is this huge Ferris wheel which I would highly recommend. The half happy hour you get, you go around in a half hour, which is all you need. And they have like a bartender in there and you can drink while you go around the Ferris wheel. We had a lot of fun. It was our group plus a couple other couples because it's like a massive, massive chamber that like 40 people can fit in. And then my cousin got. My dad's cousin got married at a chapel. That was extremely exciting. So just lots to do there. I should say too. She's actually getting married, like having a formal religious blessing. But this was kind of like a fun thing they did just while we were there.
- [57:02]
David Harsanyi
Want to talk to you about something.
- [57:05]
Molly Hemingway
Is it about your culture, your cultural loves or. Okay, go on. Sorry.
- [57:10]
David Harsanyi
So before this year, right, Like I had some vague understanding that something existed called the World Baseball Classic. Like it is I have ever watched or cared about. I just assume like third rate players were in it in like country, other countries that we didn't care about. We already have a quote World Series, that's the only one that matters to me. But yet this World Baseball Classic happened the other day and everyone's excited about and pretending like it's always been something we cared about. And us was playing and Venezuela beat the United States in a single game, I think, which is ridiculous. It should be a seven game series. Single game in baseball doesn't mean much. And we lost. And everyone's like, I'm happy for Venezuela, it's so good for them. I don't. Have you ever watched a baseball World Classic? Have you ever cared about it?
- [58:02]
Molly Hemingway
It's interesting you put it this way because I don't remember it being something that professionals played in. At the very least, I don't really remember it being in existence. And I feel like it's something I would have back when I was watching baseball.
- [58:15]
David Harsanyi
Yeah, it feels like no star. Like it feels like some players played maybe a star here or there, but you wouldn't have Aaron Judge playing in it anyway. I was just perplexed by this. I felt like we were trying to recreate the, the Olympic hockey gold here. But you Can't. You can't do that. You just can't. I have nothing. I watched a show called I'm. I'm Searching. I like to have like a backup show when I want to just relax and not think. Very empty. The brain junk. I like procedural shows, you know, police dramas. So I started watching two of them. One I mentioned last week for a second, the Mentalist.
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Molly Hemingway
Okay.
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David Harsanyi
Which I did. I just. I can't get into. And then the other one was. I was like, this might be good. It's called elementary and it has the guy from Train Spot, one of the guys from Train spotting and the Loose.
- [59:09]
Molly Hemingway
I feel like I've heard of. I've heard of this. Yeah.
- [59:12]
David Harsanyi
So she is the. She's Watson and he is Sherlock. But they're in contemporary New York and he's. And he does Sherlock stuff, but it's just. It's not as good as that Sherlock show with. I love that Cumberbatch. I forget his first name.
- [59:29]
Molly Hemingway
Yeah.
- [59:29]
David Harsanyi
Which is really good. So I don't know, I just haven't gotten into it. I'm. I'm trying to give it another chance. If anyone has a good procedural television show, that's just dumb, you know, not too dark. Meaning. I don't want too dark. Not a ton of blood. Just the normal murder. Let's figure it out this week. Episodic thing with a little bit of arc with the. With the characters. I enjoyed the. The finish. The Closer was good. And then Major Crimes. They were basically the same show. I like that. So something like that. If readers haven't. Last thing. Did you notice whenever I mention anything about my concealed carry gun or whatever, we get a ton of people.
- [60:08]
Molly Hemingway
Everyone weighs in.
- [60:10]
David Harsanyi
Everyone's got an opinion on that. We should just do a gun episode, I think. Sounds like a great idea, Jack. The ratings. Yeah. Oh, I will be speaking about guns. Yeah. In near Richmond, if you're nearby. Tickets still available on April 1st at the Glenn Allen Cultural Arts Center.
- [60:33]
Molly Hemingway
Okay.
- [60:34]
David Harsanyi
Yeah. So be there. Be there. If you'd like. If you'd like to reach the show, please do so at radio the federalist.com we'd love to get your emails. And we'll be back next week. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the prey. Bright light city.
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