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Feminine Chaos
Hosted by Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield · EN
Problematic faves, dissident feminism, and poodle interruptions: this is Feminine Chaos, featuring cultural commentary from Phoebe Maltz Bovy and Kat Rosenfield.
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Premium: Broken Belles
1w ago00:16:19Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the fallout over an expose of the finances of the bestselling author of the new memoir, Strangers.LINKS:Was I Married to a Stranger? - The New York TimesJessica Winter at the New Yorker has some receipts: What’s Missing from Belle Burden’s “Strangers” | The New YorkerEmily Gould’s defense of Ms. Burden: The Memoirist and the Backl…
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Premium: The Misdeeds of Lena Dunham, Israeli Dogs, and Yesteryear
3w ago00:12:42Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the latest in Jewish canine sexual aggression, a vintage Lena Dunham controversy, and a buzzy new novel that has all the tradwives talking.LINKS:Come see us in Toronto! And buy Phoebe’s book!Bad dogs, if true: The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians - The New York Times Kat on Yesteryear: Phoebe on Lena Dunham of yesterye…
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Life, Lemons, and the Pursuit of Happiness
4w ago00:52:56Tap to summarizeKat and Phoebe are joined by special guest Suzy Weiss to discuss the lemon-stealing literati, the dubious sex appeal of leftist Twitch streamers, the friends who take Ozempic without our permission, and what the youths think about the personal essay industrial complex.LINKS:Come celebrate Phoebe’s book launch in Toronto!Opinion | ‘The Rich Don’t Play by the Rules. So Why Should I?’ - The New York TimesWhat the Hell Is Microlooting? - by Suzy WeissEverybody’s doing itLosing My Friend Over Wegovy This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe
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Premium: The Lena Dunham of It All
Apr 2600:10:09Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe are joined once again by the inimitable Leigh Stein for a discussion of the latest in memoirland.LINKS:
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Gen Z Boss and a Mini and a Raccoon Wiener
Apr 1800:10:11Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the latest in raccoon penis politics, miniskirts after 40, and the underbelly of the femosphere.LINKS:Anti-Trans Health Secretary RFK Jr. Once Cut Off Dead Raccoon’s Genitals in Front of His Kids | ThemGoldilocks can’t find a skirtThe angry young women who don’t want to date menNo hook-ups and men must pay: inside the femosphere
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Premium: Raccoonus Interruptus
Apr 1100:11:36Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss heteronormativity, Playboy magazine, and Torontonian raccoons making a sexual spectacle of themselves.LINKS:Buy our books!The Last Straight Woman: On Desiring MenHow to Survive in the Woods: A NovelCoon Dick Toothpick Raccoon Baculum Penis Bone Toothpick for 1 From USA # STP - EtsyAgainst ‘heteronormative’What Playboy got right ab…
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A Dirge for Millennial Feminism
Apr 300:52:58Tap to summarizeKat and Phoebe discuss the alleged homicide of millennial feminism and, for the absolute last time, the fallout from that memoir.LINKS:She Wrote a Book About Her Throuple. The Internet Lost Its Mind — featuring Leigh “Current” Stein, Phoebe “Day” Maltz Bovy, and Kat “The Internet” Rosenfield:“Now much of the current-day internet has decided she either isn’t who they thought she was or is lying to herself in saying she’s happy in a throuple.”The Death of Millennial Feminism - The AtlanticThe Lindy West “Adult Braces” saga continues with an unhinged email from her husbandIs the polyamory dream over — and did Lindy West kill it? | The IndependentDeep cut Feminine Chaos— our 2019 newsletter on l’affaire Lindy:In the New York Times, author Morgan Jerkins reviewed (and in doing so, cancelled? promoted?) Lindy West’s book, The Witches Are Coming. The book is, Jerkins writes, “a manifesto,” but then she qualifies this: “a manifesto for some people.” Which, one might wonder, are the manifestos for all people? Remember when Lena Dunham played a character who, in a haze, made reference to herself as the voice of her generation, and this got treated in media coverage as Dunham personally thinking she represented a generation? Anyway.West, you see, is a White Feminist of the most troubling kind: the one who believes herself to be aware of her privileges. It is precisely this self-presentation – as One Of The Good Ones – that all but sets up a review critiquing a failure to acknowledge privilege. Yes, Jerkins notes throughout the review, West makes note of the plight of people other than herself. But when she does so, “her concern feels perfunctory.”Among other sins, West “willfully ignores the ways that prejudice against the L.G.B.T. community intersects with so many other kinds of oppression — or else, just as damning, she simply doesn’t see it.” Also willfully ignored or simply unseen: “that white women can be just as invested in white supremacy as their male counterparts.” And, needless to say, “West never acknowledges the epidemic of violence toward black trans women.” Had she done so, though, would that have been enough, or would that, too, have felt “perfunctory”?West writes regularly about not just sexism but discrimination against fat women, of whom she is one: “‘As for ‘Friends’? West says, ‘I need a separate therapist just to deal with Fat Monica.’”Jerkins is unmoved:“O.K., fine. She’s pointing out that women can be pathologized for their intelligence and that fat women are a constant source for jokes. This may be true. But West never connects the dots to the bigger picture, where white women have been overrepresented in media since time immemorial…”What conclusions can be drawn from all of this? So many!1) It’s unacceptable to write about suffering if there’s still-greater suffering out there unless you fully reckon with the hierarchy of suffering. But!2) It’s better, strategically, to skip privilege disclaimers and brief references to others’ plights entirely, if what you’re trying to do is write about your own (perhaps legitimate) grievances.3) Don’t tweet. Oh wait, this was a book, not a tweet? Then we can’t help you. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe
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Premium: Mind the Gap
Mar 2400:13:06Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the new Netflix dating show Age of Attraction, what it tells us about the state of the culture, and why we’re rooting for these crazy kids (who are in some cases old enough to be the other’s grandparent.)LINKS:Go on, you know you want to:Watch Age of Attraction | Netflix Official SiteHe’s 27. She’s 54. Somehow ‘Age of Attraction’ …
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Premium: Young Men Grunting and Slamming Their Balls Around
Mar 2000:10:37Tap to summarizeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the attempted MeTooing of an Illinois politician, the wide-eyed middle aged lady who outed him, and the disgusting perverts who find themselves sexually attracted to— and please try not to vomit —grown adults in their early twenties.LINKS:The only take you need on l’affaire …
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We Three (with Leigh Stein)
Mar 1001:05:08Tap to summarizeKat and Phoebe are joined by special guest Leigh Stein for a discussion of disappointing sandwiches, internet feminism, philandering men, and a trendy new memoir that covers all these topics and then some. LINKS:Everyone on this podcast has written a book you can buy! Click here for Kat’s sexy wilderness thriller, here for Phoebe’s straight lady manifesto, and here for Leigh’s gothic internet satire.Lindy West Thought She Couldn’t Handle Polyamory. She Was Wrong. - The New York TimesLindy West Is Still Getting Used to Her Hollywood Paycheck This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe
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