He's Back... | Financial Audit

Summary

Financial Audit Podcast: "He's Back..." | Financial Audit

Host: Caleb Hammer

Guest: Brent Davey

Release Date: December 1, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this highly anticipated follow-up, Caleb Hammer welcomes back the show's most polarizing guest, Brent Davey, for a third main channel appearance. The episode is a mix of financial audit, heated debate, personal reflection, and confrontational banter that swings between razor-sharp wit and genuine concern. Topics range from Brent's road to sobriety, career setbacks, legal trouble, mental health, and financial struggles, with Hammer pushing for accountability and Davey defending his actions—and sometimes deflecting criticism with humor or agitation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Brent’s Transformations and Return

• Brent’s Evolution:
  Caleb remarks on Brent’s changes over his three appearances—from “Brent the dude,” to “Brent the cancer patient,” to now, “Brent the politician.” Brent jokes, "I'm running for president of myself. I'm gonna win. I have a feeling." (02:26)
• Life Updates & Setting the Stage:
  Both host and guest acknowledge major changes in their lives and the world since the last episode.

2. Tone, Conflict, and Show Dynamics

• Brent’s Change in Mood:
  Brent appears more upbeat compared to his last (second) appearance, attributing previous negativity to a hit-and-run incident and personal setbacks.
• Repeated Tensions:
  The exchanges are highly adversarial, filled with mutual accusations and personal slights.
  • “You are a little pussy. You are such a pussy.” — Brent (01:19, repeated)
  • “Jerking yourself constantly off about everything you've done, even though you have nothing to show.” — Caleb (01:22)
• Accountability:
  Caleb presses, "I want you to take accountability."
  Brent: "Here we go again." (01:25)

3. The "Threat" Controversy and Mental Health

• Governor Threat & Arrest
  • Brent clarifies a past social media post: “I said I would eat his heart... It was a metaphor, clearly. I said, I hate you. I will eat your heart.” (11:17)
  • Brent details the case being dropped, admitting bad mental state at the time (11:19–11:48).
  • The broader issue of taking threats seriously in a violent, polarized era is discussed.
• Mental Health & Addiction
  • Brent admits lifelong OCD and recent struggles with alcohol, celebrating his recent sobriety after rehab (beginning July).
  • "Everything's going well in my life because I got sober." — Brent (34:33)
  • "Personal finance is very important, but mental and addictions... come number one because if you don’t address that, then there is no financial conversation to be had." — Caleb (36:39)

4. Brent’s Financial Situation

• Housing Instability:
  • Past year included living with a friend for $600 while also working on an Airbnb business and raising money (16:55).
• Income & Debt:
  • Main sources: Uber Eats gig work, freelance writing (Book and Film Globe), but realistic earnings and proof are ambiguous.
  • “I make around $1,000 to $2,000 a month freelance writing.” — Brent (82:23)
  • Multiple debts in collections—including credit cards and personal loans—after giving up payments post-previous episode (71:26).
  • "You started with 91 cents in your checking account." — Caleb (79:02)
• Expenditures:
  • Non-essential spending—e.g., multiple Amazon purchases (bandanas, chess set, fidget spinner) justified as “rehab essentials.”
  • Subscriptions: Spotify, Apple, Netflix despite financial hardship.

5. Resume & Employment Challenges

• Failed Grant Pursuits & Career Instability:
  • Brent discusses unsuccessful grant applications, abandoned creative projects, and ongoing Uber Eats work.
  • Caleb critiques Brent’s 3-page, unfocused resume: “For what you're trying to do... Three pages. One page.” (41:14)
  • Humorous claims (“Zero fatalities as Uber driver”) called out as inappropriate for resumes.
  • Brent’s penchant for name-dropping and embellishing professional relationships repeatedly mocked.
  • “Your resume is a joke. You're acting like a joke. You don't do anything. You're not pursuing anything real.” — Caleb (46:49)
• Job Search & Application Rejection:
  • Despite frequent job applications, Brent admits to not tailoring his resume (“basket of jobs” approach).

6. Confrontation Over Show Dynamics and Legality

• Legal Agreements and Lawsuits:
  • Brent voices concerns about the show's guest contract, threatening legal action; Caleb explains it’s industry-standard.
  • Both repeatedly taunt each other with prospects of lawsuits (“Sue me.” — Caleb; “I’m on it.” — Brent, 01:31–01:33)
• "Paid Victim" Accusation:
  • Brent accuses Caleb of building success on “beating up” paid guests; Caleb counters with proof of his financial success prior to the show and clarifies that guest payments are for travel, not for being berated. (52:24–53:12)

7. Recurring Themes of Self-Sabotage & Disingenuousness

• Caleb’s Frustration:
  • Caleb repeatedly expresses disappointment over Brent’s seemingly performative self-sabotage and lack of seriousness about improving his situation.
  • “You are not a good faith person. You come in and try to smear, to take down the show... You are a disgusting part of our culture.” — Caleb (57:27)
• Brent’s Defensive Deflection:
  • Brent uses humor, sarcasm, and self-deprecation—“Look at all my skills, dude. I got skills.” (45:36)—while resisting actionable advice.

8. Risk, Safety, and Self-Care

• Physical Attacks:
  • Brent recounts multiple incidents of being targeted or attacked while living in high-risk environments, connecting it tenuously to his financial setbacks.
• Safety Suggestions:
  • Caleb urges Brent to consider basic self-protection; Brent admits he’s never taken even minimal precautions like carrying pepper spray.
• Health Problems:
  • Brent details a chronic ankle issue and reveals limitations from prior injuries and health scares.

9. Relationship Status

• Dating Life:
  • Brent is not dating and has not had a boyfriend since 2018. Admits lack of interest or energy for romance due to life struggles and health. (76:47)

10. The Episode’s Emotional Arc

• Mental Health Disclosure & Sobriety
  • Brent’s admission of rehabilitation and two months’ sobriety is celebrated: “I just got my two month chip.” (36:33)
• Despair & Self-Awareness:
  • At key moments, Brent adopts an almost nihilistic posture (“Just a loser, baby. Why don’t you kill me?” — 51:43), but pivots back to banter.
• Caleb’s Closing Concern:
  • Host offers to pay for resume services and expresses meaningful concern for Brent’s future:
    “I’m concerned that you’ll never be able to pay bills and I don’t know if your pressure ulcer turns into spawns off into two... I’m concerned with what life looks like in your 60s and that deeply concerns me.” (94:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brent (On self-improvement):
  “Everything’s going well in my life because I got sober.” (34:33)
• Caleb (On confronting Brent’s approach):
  “Your resume is a joke. You're acting like a joke. You don't do anything. You're not pursuing anything real.” (46:49)
• Brent (Defensive humor):
  “Look at all my skills, dude. I got skills.” (45:36)
• Caleb (On meaning of personal finance):
  “…if you don't address [addiction], then there is no financial conversation to be had.” (36:39)
• Brent (Sarcastic self-deprecation):
  “Just a loser, baby. Why don’t you kill me?” (51:43)
• Caleb (On guest accusations):
  “We do not pay people to come on the show. Don’t be a dumb… You’re being…” (53:03)
• Brent:
  “I want you to take accountability.”
  Caleb: “Here we go again.” (01:25)
• Brent (Admitting error):
  “Yes, it was sloppy, and, no, I’m not proud of it.” (11:22, re: threat post)
• Caleb (Closing sentiment):
  “I want you to take the resume, we’ll pay for someone to sit down with you, …but I am concerned that you’ll never be able to pay bills…” (94:53)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:06 – Brent jokes about running for president of himself, sets the episode’s self-referential tone.
• 07:41–08:43 – Brent describes targeted hit-and-run on his car, the lawsuit, and winning $10,000.
• 11:17–11:48 – Brent clarifies social media post about the governor, unpacks legal/moral ramifications.
• 29:00–35:00 – Dispute over last appearance and the episode payment; Brent’s claims of being put under duress; host and guest trade legal threats.
• 34:33–37:15 – Brent discloses alcoholism, rehab, and celebrates two months’ sobriety.
• 41:14–46:49 – Deep dive into Brent's poorly constructed resume, with comedic roasting.
• 46:49–53:12 – Caleb confronts Brent about lack of initiative, Brent launches attack on show’s premise; passionate back-and-forth.
• 71:26–76:32 – Brent admits to letting debts go to collections after feeling defeated; stories of physical attacks and hardships in Dallas.
• 79:02–84:00 – Money breakdown: Brent’s Uber Eats income, justification for non-essential Amazon purchases during lean months.
• 93:30–95:30 – Caleb’s closing thoughts: concern for Brent’s future, offer to fund resume help.
• 95:40–96:23 – Discussion of bankruptcy as a possible option for Brent.

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Tone and Style Notes

• The tone is combative, darkly funny, sometimes raw, often uncomfortable. The episode oscillates between moments of levity (dark jokes, inside banter, poking fun at each other) and genuine unease (legal threats, accusations, mental health confessions, concern about self-harm).
• Caleb is ruthless but occasionally compassionate, especially regarding addiction and mental health. Brent is defensive, sarcastic, self-deprecating, and sometimes evasive.
• Humor is as much weapon as shield throughout; neither party shies from confrontation.

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Summary for First-Time Listeners

This episode provides an unvarnished look at the intersection of personal finance, mental health, and accountability, with both host and guest exposing the vulnerabilities and flaws in themselves and each other. It is disjointedly funny, occasionally unsettling, and ultimately a revealing character study of someone struggling to change amid a swirl of personal and societal adversity. The substance abuse recovery, employment difficulties, and patterns of self-sabotage are front and center, and the episode doubles as both a financial audit and a deeply personal intervention.

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Listeners are cautioned: This episode features adult language, references to addiction, self-harm, and mental health crises. If you need help, resources are mentioned (e.g., suicide helpline 998 in the US).

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Brent Davey]

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[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

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[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

Do you think you'd be famous if you didn't have somebody paid to beat.

[Caleb Hammer]

Up on you got arrested for threatening to kill the governor of Texas.

[Brent Davey]

That is not what I said.

[Caleb Hammer]

Wait, what? Okay, say.

[Brent Davey]

Don't act stupid. I said I would eat his heart.

[Caleb Hammer]

Again. The way you approach everything is so disingenuous.

[Brent Davey]

You are a little pussy. You are such a pussy.

[Caleb Hammer]

Jerking yourself constantly off about everything you've done. Even though you have nothing to show.

[Brent Davey]

I want you to take accountability.

[Caleb Hammer]

Here we go again.

[Brent Davey]

You're actually libeling me again. You. You have a trouble with reality.

[Caleb Hammer]

Sue me.

[Brent Davey]

I'm on it.

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

How are you, Caleb? You doing good?

[Caleb Hammer]

Good. How are you? You look at you.

[Brent Davey]

Thank you, man. Thank you.

[Caleb Hammer]

What a handsome guy.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I appreciate it. I really appreciate it.

[Caleb Hammer]

This is. This is so interesting because you. Wow. Like, you looked just like. First episode was just dude. That was like Brent the dude.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

And then came Brent the cancer patient. Oh, yeah. And then now we have Brent the politician. Oh, yes.

[Brent Davey]

I'm running for president of myself.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

I'm gonna win. I have a feeling.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you just gotta convince one person.

[Brent Davey]

Exactly.

[Caleb Hammer]

Exactly.

[Brent Davey]

A lot has changed. A lot has changed. Totally unprecedented things like you going on a plane?

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, about me?

[Brent Davey]

Yes.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Things have changed about me.

[Brent Davey]

And we have an entirely new president since the last time I saw you.

[Caleb Hammer]

And that's true. Did you get arrested for threatening to kill that?

[Brent Davey]

No. But it is pretty interesting. He's the first. He's brave. He's very brave. He's the first politician, the first president.

[Caleb Hammer]

Who you're trying to win right now.

[Brent Davey]

Get his ear pierced on the campaign trail. It's his right ear.

[Caleb Hammer]

Uh huh.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know what that means.

[Caleb Hammer]

What? The ear. Pierce.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. I don't remember which. Right or left.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh. If he's gay. Yes. You're questioning if.

[Brent Davey]

Oh my God. Okay, that one bombed.

[Caleb Hammer]

If Donald. Sorry. Is gay. Okay. He might be. I don't know. Maybe he's Bai King. I don't really know. Okay. Well, I wanted to celebrate because this is pretty exciting. We traditionally don't really get many people to do a third video on the main channel. And historically usually at least the last guy I did a third video with on the main channel crashed the out afterwards. Let's see if you do. Usually you crash out in the episode, not outside of the episode. I'm hoping we keep it internal.

[Brent Davey]

Well, I can cry if you need me to.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't need you to do anything. I do want to talk to you. I want to see what you do. But I would like to share a slice of cake with you just as a celebration. Are you down to share a slice of cake with me?

[Brent Davey]

Absolutely, man.

[Caleb Hammer]

Absolutely.

[Brent Davey]

Absolutely.

[Caleb Hammer]

And I know this is specifically what you like to eat and wanted to eat the heart of Greg Abbott.

[Brent Davey]

Oh my God. Oh my.

[Caleb Hammer]

And you won't go to jail for this one.

[Brent Davey]

You can do this when this is a safe space.

[Caleb Hammer]

This one's a safe space to a certain point.

[Brent Davey]

Thank you.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's beautiful. Absolutely. So I do not have utensils, but if you ever desire to have a bite, you can just grab in and take it from your.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. Face dive even.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I mean, usually this is like the. You know, we're not. I'm not doing my usual onboarding with you. Lindsay took care of all that and all this stuff. And this is usually the part where I say, okay, you know, here's your fake name. But I don't think we use your fake name though. I am confused. We get confusions between Brent and Brent, but how old are you these days?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, well, should I do the intro?

[Caleb Hammer]

The.

[Brent Davey]

Yes, I love the intro segment, man.

[Caleb Hammer]

You too. Hit it.

[Brent Davey]

I love it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

I'm Brent. Davey, I'm 43, I live in Austin, and this is. Is fine. Asshole audit.

[Caleb Hammer]

Almost. Yeah, almost. Hit it. I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it as we got it.

[Brent Davey]

Fine. Asshole audit. Finasle Financial.

[Caleb Hammer]

You look like you're from the bank finance audit. Yeah. You're so chipper today.

[Brent Davey]

Okay, so.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, that's good. That's good. Like, why. Why is everything so good?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, well, I mean, I'm on this finasal audit show and I like. I get you to dive into my shit and clean it all out.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you weren't happy about it the second time.

[Brent Davey]

It's the most fun in the world, man. Okay, so good.

[Caleb Hammer]

Why is this so different than the second time? Because the second time you were really, even though you chose to come, not very happy about being there.

[Brent Davey]

You act like a know it all. And this is the whole gambit of your show.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

You don't even have a business degree.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, okay.

[Brent Davey]

You're just chewing people out for buying taquitos.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are we talking about business on this show?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, pretty much. Oh, okay. Everything that I've ever done is business, so. Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

Business degree to learn how to not spend money you don't have.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, okay. Interesting.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, yeah. So we were.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I was in a bad mood. I mean. Yeah, yeah, totally.

[Caleb Hammer]

But you're in a good mood.

[Brent Davey]

I'm in a good mood.

[Caleb Hammer]

So what's different? What's. What's different?

[Brent Davey]

Well, I'm in a. Well, I'm. I don't know. I'm just in a good mood.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, what makes you so happy versus last time being so unhappy? Because last time, you know, a big part of the talk of the show and whatnot was how evil the show was that you chose to be on the first and second time.

[Brent Davey]

I mean.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, well, it's a very big community.

[Brent Davey]

It's a big community. I know they're not all like that, but I mean, I. A few days before, shortly before we filmed, my car got attacked in a hit and run. And they just drove off. And I was in Dallas, it was in Cedar Springs, and they kind of know me a little bit. And so they were coming out of Hamburger Mary's walking to my car, and I see the aftermath and the Jeep driving away and these guys with their cell phones out recording the Jeep as it goes away.

[Caleb Hammer]

What the was that about, huh? What's up, you fat pig? Why'd I get picked up?

[Brent Davey]

And it was a Jeep with a brush guard that intentionally rear ended my beautiful convertible. The gayest car I could find.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, and speaking of that, Lindsey's telling me you told her that you think it was targeted.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, yeah. They were laughing. They were laughing as they drove away. And so we called DPD and.

[Caleb Hammer]

On.

[Brent Davey]

Scene, and DPD no longer responds to property crime.

[Caleb Hammer]

No. Neither does Austin. Really? Yeah. No, it's.

[Brent Davey]

But it's a. It's a policy in DPD now, so we had to. At first, my insurance was saying that I should just file uninsured motorist, but it was like, K in damages, and I was like, well, you don't have to pay that. We have witnesses. We have the case here. We just need to find out who it is. And they hired a private investigator, and we got it. Sued and won in court.

[Caleb Hammer]

You won? How much did you get?

[Brent Davey]

Yes, we got 10,000. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

How much did you pocket at the end?

[Brent Davey]

I pocketed 3,000 extra. But, I mean, the damages on the car were seven, and car repairs are like, that's good.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm glad you won that, because that's obviously. But again, I think as we dive into these finances, it's just important to kind of know where you are in the mentality of all this, because last time, again, you said the show was evil. You said the show was evil. We're here to make you look bad, even though you can say whatever you want to say. And you said whatever you wanted to. Said you get to do that today again. Totally. Is the show still evil?

[Brent Davey]

I think your Persona that you portray is maybe a little bit unlikable.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, unlikable is up to the individual.

[Brent Davey]

I know it's totally subjective, and it's also just.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm just me. I just. That's. That's the fun part of being on a show.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. I talked to some other media people that are like, oh, he's really unlikable. And I was like, oh, I don't. I don't think that's all him. You know, I think he's putting it on a little bit.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I guess. In what way? I mean, who. Who said I was unlikable?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, city council people, congress people, media people.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, well, the governor of Michigan's coming on my show, so I think. I think they. I think they like it. Nice. The government right now, huh? Michigan, Whitmer. I think once. I think once the politicians saw. Once we added it to it being a technical podcast, they saw it being the top 10 on the Internet. That's awesome. So they're like, congratulations. Well, thank you. Last time, you hated that fact, but it's different. This time, which I can appreciate. So some city council. From what city?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, Austin.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, really? Because I got DMS from some saying they love the show.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. And I. I got DMs from others. Maybe they're just telling us what we want to hear.

[Caleb Hammer]

Or maybe they just wanted to get out of that conversation.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

After they got a lot of emails from you. Maybe.

[Brent Davey]

Maybe.

[Caleb Hammer]

Maybe.

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Right.

[Brent Davey]

Who knows? I mean, I have struggled with OCD in my entire life.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, we've still received some emails from you, which is concerning, because in this. In this world, we're in a different period of time right now.

[Brent Davey]

Wait, what emails are you talking about? I've been communicating with Lindsay for.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, yeah, that's us. That's we. That's us.

[Brent Davey]

And, yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

What are you talking about? The company. Our emails. Okay, so we still have received your emails.

[Brent Davey]

And what are you concerned about?

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I said. Like I said, we're in a different day where you got arrested for threatening to kill the governor of Texas.

[Brent Davey]

That is not what I did. Don't do that again because it's dumb. That is not what I said.

[Caleb Hammer]

What did you say? You got to clarify it.

[Brent Davey]

You already know. Don't act stupid.

[Caleb Hammer]

Wait, what? Okay, say, don't act stupid.

[Brent Davey]

I said I would. I would eat his heart.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. You know, that's threatening to kill.

[Brent Davey]

There were two. There were two. There were two angles on that treat screen. And, yes, it was sloppy, and, no, I'm not proud of it. And, yes, I was absolutely in a bad mental state, but here is why they dropped the case against me days before trial. 1. It was a metaphor, clearly. I said, I hate you. I will eat your heart. And then I said. And then I said, I just checked, and I still hate you. Winkies. It is a little bit winky.

[Caleb Hammer]

Do you understand the Texas GOP was.

[Brent Davey]

Threatening to secede at the time, so.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, that wasn't real.

[Brent Davey]

It was real.

[Caleb Hammer]

It got holding support of, like, less than a half on this, though. Yeah, I got, like, really?

[Brent Davey]

Journalists.

[Caleb Hammer]

What, are you getting combative? It was, like, one person. It was less.

[Brent Davey]

You want to debate? You want me to debate you? I will.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, I don't want to do anything. I'm just talking.

[Brent Davey]

Okay. Okay. Are you just talking, or are you on me?

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm not on you, Brent. I'm talking about how this is a different age in time. We just had someone who is speaking words get shot and killed. So I'm not. So I'm not.

[Brent Davey]

It's. It's.

[Caleb Hammer]

So we take your emails seriously when You.

[Brent Davey]

What have I said to you?

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, Emails within the last year. Here we go. Are you afraid? Without your format, you have nothing. Come over to where I live, how I live, and let me greet you like a guest. Are you scared? So if you threaten the.

[Brent Davey]

How scared of you? Of that?

[Caleb Hammer]

Buddy, I'm just being real. I'm talking about the time we live in.

[Brent Davey]

You are a little pussy. You are such a pussy. But I, I.

[Caleb Hammer]

Why are you doing this?

[Brent Davey]

You brought me something beautiful, by the way. Actually, this is a real gift.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, this like.

[Brent Davey]

No, I brought you something. I brought you something.

[Caleb Hammer]

Did Matt check this?

[Brent Davey]

Ok. And Matt checked it. You're all right. You're safe, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, yes, it's concerning. We live in a bad time. I literally have security now.

[Brent Davey]

This is a safe space because of.

[Caleb Hammer]

People like you who send these emails.

[Brent Davey]

You're safe with me, bud. Okay, don't freak out. I know the planes. I know the fear. I know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, it's agoraphobia.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I get it too. I have it. Okay. All right. This is actually a real. I spit. This is meaningful, okay? It's coming from the bottom of my heart and I spent way too much money on it. And you're gonna.

[Caleb Hammer]

And I will not eat that heart.

[Brent Davey]

You will not eat it.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's hot. You want to see me in it?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I totally do.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, to confirm this has been checked, I wanna ask one more time. Okay, good. Because again, I'm trying to. It's handsome. It's.

[Brent Davey]

Thank you. It's my.

[Caleb Hammer]

I mean, you can't spend that much money on it. Also, why is there a brown spot? Did we confirm what the brown spot is?

[Brent Davey]

It's my hand.

[Caleb Hammer]

Does anyone want to do a slit?

[Brent Davey]

It's my pussy hat from the 2017 Women's Marches. I made it myself and I had to buy something to get the bag, so I bought lip gloss instead of anything risque.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, pussy hat. Because I'm a puss. Right?

[Brent Davey]

It's. It's right. I mean, if you want to try it on.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, because of the brown one.

[Brent Davey]

I'll try it on with you.

[Caleb Hammer]

Because of the brown spot. I don't want to.

[Brent Davey]

To.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't want to because the brown spot. I just, I don't want like an accident.

[Brent Davey]

Better days. It's been grabbed too many times.

[Caleb Hammer]

Put the brown spot. I don't want to do head on accident. It's not Do. I just.

[Brent Davey]

I wouldn't bring you doo doo hats.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, so, Brent, again, the reason I brought it up, big guy, is you don't want to put it on specifically? No, you can if you'd like. I want you to do whatever you want to do. This is, as you said, a safe place up to a certain point. My concern, big guy, is when we receive these emails and the security that we're doing and checking the bag, it's. Cause we.

[Brent Davey]

I invited you to my house and I said I'd treat you like a guest.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you scared?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, apparently he is. I actually invited him over and said I'd treat him like a guest. I'd buy him, I'd get him water. He didn't do that to me in the first episode that we filmed.

[Caleb Hammer]

What, get you water? Yeah. My condo. Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

You didn't do anything.

[Caleb Hammer]

It was very.

[Brent Davey]

Actually a rude person.

[Caleb Hammer]

It was a very. You're a natural.

[Brent Davey]

I want you to take accountability. You're. You're a rude. You're a rude host.

[Caleb Hammer]

Here we go again. Okay. Yes. Yes. Have we treated you poorly today?

[Brent Davey]

No. Because you have teams.

[Caleb Hammer]

Exactly. It was me in my apartment running.

[Brent Davey]

Thank goodness you have nice people that work for you because almost like they.

[Caleb Hammer]

Reflect the values that I.

[Brent Davey]

You're not.

[Caleb Hammer]

Uh huh.

[Brent Davey]

Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

Thanks, Brent.

[Brent Davey]

I'm just trying to take accountability, man. Just.

[Caleb Hammer]

But you won't take accountability for why you were arrested in today's environment.

[Brent Davey]

Except it. I already have. I explained it. I don't think it's an excuse, but it's an explanation.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're saying you didn't threaten to kill him even though you kill him.

[Brent Davey]

I did not.

[Caleb Hammer]

We live in today's environment where you.

[Brent Davey]

I did not threaten to kill the governor. And I want to make that clear. I did not. I did.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you're swaying the one swing voter.

[Brent Davey]

I did not.

[Caleb Hammer]

In the Brent election.

[Brent Davey]

I did not. I did not. I did not. Caleb.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. And then we get.

[Brent Davey]

Not.

[Caleb Hammer]

We get the threatening emails that was.

[Brent Davey]

I invited you over.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. I'm just saying we live in a different environment.

[Brent Davey]

To where I was living, which you would actually be proud because I was living with a good friend for $600 a month while I'm working on the Airbnb and we're raising money.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm excited to get into that.

[Brent Davey]

And eggs. We had eggs, dude. We had a gold mine. It was beautiful.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

I was spending $1,700 a month. And yeah, I was, like, hitting it, man. Like, the show really does activate, like, some thriftiness in you, you know, even.

[Caleb Hammer]

Being honest, we get a lot of positive results from the show. I mean, I like you're taking it Very personally. Even though I'm just trying to talk about how I'm.

[Brent Davey]

Well, you're libeling me, saying that I threatened to kill the governor.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you were a nagi.

[Brent Davey]

Dropped without conviction. I spent more time in jail. This is interesting. I spent more time in jail for saying that I would eat the governor's heart, which is an obvious metad metaphor, because I'm not a cannibal. Then actually January. Well, we don't know. No. Then actual January 6th. Rioters who ransacked the Capitol building.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

I spent more time without a conviction than people who actually ransacked the Capitol building.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you doing the next one?

[Brent Davey]

Doing the next what?

[Caleb Hammer]

January 6th.

[Brent Davey]

No, I oppose Jansex.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

It broke my heart, man. And Congress reconvened. Do you remember? Congress reconvened. They got it together. Congress.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm sorry. Financial audit's about you, not about Jansex. I'm just gonna let you know so I'll move on from that.

[Brent Davey]

It's all related. Congress reconvened Anyways, if you don't remember. I don't know if you pay attention to what's going on in the world.

[Caleb Hammer]

This was quite a few years ago at this point, but.

[Brent Davey]

Five years ago. Yeah, I. It's. I mean, I don't. What's. What's your point?

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I just don't remember every little detail of every single day. But also, this is about you. Reminder. I was just trying to.

[Brent Davey]

You don't remember things. Okay, gotcha.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I remember the event. I don't remember the exact date and time Congress reconvened. Oh, buddy. I'm just. I'm trying to stay on topic. I just wanted to bring that up because that's what we talked about the first time, and you weren't willing to acknowledge the fear that we face. And this is the only other time we had to get an off site.

[Brent Davey]

I'm really sorry if you felt fear.

[Caleb Hammer]

People are dying.

[Brent Davey]

I'm sorry if you felt fear.

[Caleb Hammer]

People are getting killed because.

[Brent Davey]

I invited.

[Caleb Hammer]

You over, but it is people with the rhetoric, like you.

[Brent Davey]

What is my rhetoric again?

[Caleb Hammer]

Your rhetoric of vague threats, threatful emails.

[Brent Davey]

It was. It was a pun. It's a play on words. Caleb.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't. To me. To you. And then other people have gone to.

[Brent Davey]

Know about Kathy Griffin and that Donald Trump head that's bloody.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, she was canceled for it.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I disagreed with that. I thought that was too far.

[Caleb Hammer]

But in reality, I don't cancel culture either. I care about people not dying.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I do too. I mean that Charlie Kirk situation was. I mean that's bad. My editors know him. I never met him.

[Caleb Hammer]

People use your episodes and they call me fascist. They call me evil fascist.

[Brent Davey]

I'm both libtard and maga, so I don't know what's going on.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, me too, but I don't think they use your episode as me.

[Brent Davey]

You know, if people are using my episode as some kind of justification to like commit violence.

[Caleb Hammer]

But then we get your email.

[Brent Davey]

I invited you over and I asked if you're scared. That was an olive branch, man. Take an olive branch. Good God.

[Caleb Hammer]

If you want to meet me, I guess you can. I'm one of the most powerful people in the entire world. I've done what Donald Trump wouldn't let someone go through his bank account with scrutiny. What's this? What's that? Caleb is an actual idiot. You'll be boxing a 43 year old man who has a heat stroke last year and who can still hit and dodge faster than a YouTuber.

[Brent Davey]

And now I'm in better shape. Maybe. Do you want to do it? Maybe do it. No, you don't want to box.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm fat. Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm a threat to you in some way. In some way you'll think, oh my, have I lost authority? Well, my man, you never had much, but these are just multiple a night.

[Brent Davey]

How threatening is that? Are you scared? If you're scared, I'm sorry, I don't mean.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, that's why we have security and you don't get to know our office.

[Brent Davey]

You're not scared. You're not scared because you have security. The security makes you well.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Yeah, in and off. Well, I just know since we're not at our studio, you're not coming back the next day.

[Brent Davey]

Oh yeah. I've never done that. Why would you think that I've done that?

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, why would I think that?

[Brent Davey]

I'm talking to you. An email about the show.

[Caleb Hammer]

We receives many emails from you.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's a show that I work.

[Caleb Hammer]

For in a while since a year. I will tell you one more thing that's happened since last year. Before we get into the documents, what's up through inside sources of. You're an addict.

[Brent Davey]

Correct.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's not good.

[Brent Davey]

Nope. I mean smells fruity.

[Caleb Hammer]

I love when I get the non consensually breathe in other people's addictions. Thank you.

[Brent Davey]

It's not a product placement but I mean I might as well relax.

[Caleb Hammer]

Certainly is to my nose right now.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, is it offensive?

[Caleb Hammer]

It's a little annoying. I like to decide what I'm breathing in.

[Brent Davey]

Okay. All right, well, I'll curtail that for you, bud.

[Caleb Hammer]

Please do. You're welcome. It would be more nice to ask for permission, if I'm being honest.

[Brent Davey]

Did you ask for permission before you libeled me and said that I am unwilling to work?

[Caleb Hammer]

You didn't.

[Brent Davey]

I don't think so.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, you didn't.

[Brent Davey]

You didn't ask permission.

[Caleb Hammer]

We do ask permission to libel me.

[Brent Davey]

This was early days, you know, I don't think you asked permission to libel me.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I guess you just disagree on it.

[Brent Davey]

But maybe. Maybe Governor Whitmer should redecide. Did she just sign the same agreement I did? Because that agreement I signed before I come on today says that you can defame me and I can't defame you. I don't know where you think that agreement is binding, but in the court of the free press, it's not gonna work.

[Caleb Hammer]

No free press.

[Brent Davey]

I don't have any intent to sue you or anything.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, that's what I wanted to talk about.

[Brent Davey]

Actually. I don't have any.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't have any. That's what I wanted to talk about that's happened over this last year. 1. It's just a standard legal document that it's crazy that most.

[Brent Davey]

You'd have to be crazy. The only reason that I signed it is because studios.

[Caleb Hammer]

Film studios use is because you're paying me. It's a very general contract.

[Brent Davey]

I would not sign that going on any other.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you wouldn't be invited. And those are the contracts that would be there.

[Brent Davey]

It allows you to actually libel and defame me. And technically speaking.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I'm not going to get to my point.

[Brent Davey]

Legal action against me if I do anything adverse to the show.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, and I would.

[Brent Davey]

Is this what's adverse to the show right now?

[Caleb Hammer]

No.

[Brent Davey]

Okay, so where's the standard in your mind on that?

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

That'll be in court.

[Caleb Hammer]

Good.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

According to my legal team, who I've paid about a half a million dollars. Okay.

[Brent Davey]

Quite good. Maybe we should do that.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, you. No. Because I wouldn't get anything from you.

[Brent Davey]

No, but I would.

[Caleb Hammer]

Other than a court censure. Either way, it's just general filming. It's just a general filming contract. Our lawyers.

[Brent Davey]

I thought you agreed you enjoyed the first amendment, don't you?

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, you do. Okay, so you would. You would. You know that that's the government, right?

[Brent Davey]

Right. Exactly. No, I went to law school. Did you?

[Caleb Hammer]

You did not go to law school.

[Brent Davey]

I did. I went To. I went to Loyola.

[Caleb Hammer]

When did you do this? Because this was never brought up in any of the other episodes. Degree in information systems.

[Brent Davey]

I went to Loyola law school in 2015 while I was.

[Caleb Hammer]

This is a new piece of lore.

[Brent Davey]

A new piece of lore?

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, it is to me.

[Brent Davey]

It's just me, but. Cool.

[Caleb Hammer]

It's interesting that I'm learning it the third time.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. Yeah. I went to Loyal Law School in Chicago.

[Caleb Hammer]

Huh.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Where I assume you did not pass the bar.

[Brent Davey]

No, I shattered my ankle.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're always doing something with your body. Your body always, like, breaks in the moment. You need to do something. Conveniently strawberry. Not half bad, huh?

[Brent Davey]

That's pretty good, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's pretty good. I'm a fan.

[Brent Davey]

Who did this?

[Caleb Hammer]

Heb, probably.

[Brent Davey]

Nice.

[Caleb Hammer]

We love he, buddy. But again, just because I feel like you're saying things out there that, like Snarkers or any hit piece type of people would love to repeat, I have to say it. It's just a general contract out of LA that pretty much most any and every type of show uses.

[Brent Davey]

I just reading it, I'm like, wow. I. I didn't.

[Caleb Hammer]

Wow. A legal contract to come on a show that every other show uses. Okay. Yeah. That is very surprising.

[Brent Davey]

I mean, I. I usually try to review documents I signed, but before the last episode, y' all were filming me while I was going over it, you sprung it on me.

[Caleb Hammer]

We did.

[Brent Davey]

And that's actually a little bit of duress right there, which can, you know, weaken the validity of the agreement. And then in the middle.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, good news. We got you now.

[Brent Davey]

Ah, you got. Yeah, it's better this time. I had time to review it. Yeah. But then in the middle of the episode, we're like an hour and a half in, and you're like, oh. I'm like, oh, can we wrap it up? And then you're like, well, you're not gonna get your money. Noah Kreisler was there. He was there, and he agreed that that was wrong.

[Caleb Hammer]

Is he here now?

[Brent Davey]

It's good that you have a better.

[Caleb Hammer]

Production team now because he was objectively fired for being a nuisance in the office and yelling at people constantly that we have on security camera. I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

I wasn't there.

[Caleb Hammer]

Of course not. You're just trying to use that to try to get a leg up by trying to have some online drama.

[Brent Davey]

I'm not trying to get a leg up.

[Caleb Hammer]

Listen to the words you're saying.

[Brent Davey]

I'm not trying. I'm actually defending myself and criticizing your show.

[Caleb Hammer]

But you're unable to in a factual way.

[Brent Davey]

No, it is factual. It is factual. You threatened to not pay me.

[Caleb Hammer]

So do I get the answer now.

[Brent Davey]

On that episode, after we've already filmed an hour and a half?

[Caleb Hammer]

I'll answer it in 30 seconds.

[Brent Davey]

And you threatened. And I said, well, we have an agreement. And you said, it's not contractual. You don't even know what a contract is. It's a meeting of the minds. That's the proof in business law.

[Caleb Hammer]

He's still getting through it. Let him get him.

[Brent Davey]

It's Business Law 101.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, it's Business Law 101. Have you concluded?

[Brent Davey]

Yes, go ahead.

[Caleb Hammer]

We agreed to film a full episode in order to get the compensation. He was not doing it. He was shutting down and not talking. So of course he wouldn't get paid for filling out his contractual agreement. You. That's the literal reality.

[Brent Davey]

That is not what happened. That is not what happened at all. You threatened to withhold it all.

[Caleb Hammer]

I just.

[Brent Davey]

I took a break. A little bit of a break. Dude, man, this is so adversarial. It sucks. It just blows. Dude, this is why I don't like the show. To put laxative in that. I just don't feel like.

[Caleb Hammer]

You need to go to the bathroom real quick?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

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[Caleb Hammer]

Are you farting right now?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I.

[Caleb Hammer]

Go, go, go, go. Matthew, help him.

[Brent Davey]

I'll be back.

[Caleb Hammer]

Feel better that. First of all, that was the quickest poop I've ever seen.

[Brent Davey]

I just had to pass a little gas.

[Caleb Hammer]

Better out there than in here, right?

[Brent Davey]

It feels better. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we know how sensitive your nose is.

[Caleb Hammer]

I am actually very sensitive. Yeah, it is very true. So, yes, to clarify, just like any agreement for anyone would get paid to do something, usually we do flat reimbursements for guests just to help them from travel. They don't have to complete set apart.

[Brent Davey]

I might add more. No, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. I'm sorry. This is. This is fucking stressful, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, okay. We can take a second.

[Brent Davey]

It's stressful.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay? We don't have to do anything stressful. You can tell me. I'm willing to hear your story, as always.

[Brent Davey]

I'm freaking out.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, step outside for five, please.

[Brent Davey]

It's a part machine.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, so you're trying to get false sensitive. Trying to get.

[Brent Davey]

It's a. Leslie Nelson used to take one of these every late night show he went on. It was his bit, and he actually kept it with him everywhere.

[Caleb Hammer]

So you're trying to get false sympathy whenever. By pretending to have a panic attack.

[Brent Davey]

Whenever.

[Caleb Hammer]

Very good.

[Brent Davey]

Whenever somebody was being a little too pompous, you just go, it's a great comedy tool.

[Caleb Hammer]

So, yes, again, everyone gets a flat reimbursement. You, we had. Because we know you're a struggle to film with, we had to tie your payment, which was larger because you're a big guest and you provide big numbers. You're loved in the community to a certain point. So we had to. Yeah. Tie the number to it. Of course. And just like we are now. Of course. Kidding me. Absolutely Willing to fully admit anything. And then you bring up that Noah's upset with the episode. Of course, dude. He got fired because that guy right there had a financial audit. He blew up on him, and it was on camera. He was endlessly yelling at people in the office. He was a bad producer. He didn't create a backlog. Lindsey, who replaced him, now has the largest backlog in financial audit history. He is someone who's gotten multiple guests in the. Multiple episodes in the pipeline that have already been filmed. That's a full month. He was fired from the job before mine. He was fired from this job. He's a bad employee. He is just like any other bad employee that gets fired. They get upset.

[Brent Davey]

I'm just saying he witnessed our. Our dispute last time where you threatened to say you're not gonna get paid.

[Caleb Hammer]

For not completing the job. Yes.

[Brent Davey]

I wasn't even threatening to walk out, though.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, you were just sitting down, not talking. That's not a podcast.

[Brent Davey]

No, because it was. It was not, like, actually rolling. I don't know. I feel like something was creatively.

[Caleb Hammer]

Dude, you are just mythicizing. I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

I. I was also. I just, like, stepped out of my car and then immediately, like, pad down and then. And then sign this, sign this, sign this, and then the camera's all rolling. I didn't have, like, a. I don't know. It was rough. I mean, it was hard.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I will accept any valid criticisms. And that's actually valid criticism.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

That is pretty tough. That is fair. That is fair. And I'm glad that as we continue to grow, we always become more and more professional. You know, we're up to, like, 40 employees now, so everyone brings levels of expertise and stuff. Obviously, from not getting you water in my condo by myself to having a producer who couldn't do his job last time to now, you know, a better and better team. Yes. So I apologize if you felt on the spot. I really do thanks, man. Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

Look how weird.

[Caleb Hammer]

Look, we're. Well, yes, because if you provide valid criticism based on reality, I will accept it and acknowledge it. The other bullshit was bullshit. So your life financially, how's it been? Cause this is financial audit after all. Yeah, I mean, your favorite show. It's my top 10 on the Internet. Am I right?

[Brent Davey]

Boy, and you love that. I really don't understand it, but I don't understand a lot of people.

[Caleb Hammer]

Honestly, half the time I don't either.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I know. It's wild. I am not doing great. I mean, I. I had.

[Caleb Hammer]

You came up with such positive energy. I thought you said everything was going well.

[Brent Davey]

Everything's going well in my life because I got sober.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

First of all, what was your addiction? Oh, alcohol. Was that last time, too?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I was binge drinking like, every weekend.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, weekend. So we didn't film on the weekend. So you were not drunk during our.

[Brent Davey]

No.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. I was gonna say. I didn't even know this.

[Brent Davey]

No, it wasn't that kind of a day, drink every day kind of thing. It was like always in my mind, I'm going to. I'm just working towards the next time I'm going to have a bender. Right. And it completely consumed my thought processes to the point where I just felt like I wasn't being myself. Like I'd lost a point of myself. So in July, I checked myself into rehab and a mental stay.

[Caleb Hammer]

Good July.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Very good rehab. And it's gone well so far.

[Brent Davey]

It's gone great, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well done.

[Brent Davey]

Seriously, man. Thank you. It was overdue. Like, I. I really relapsed during the pandemic isolation. And that was five years ago, so it was overdue, so.

[Caleb Hammer]

Wow. Five years of going pretty hard, huh?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I feel really good. Good. But that's just the sobriety talking, you know?

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, isn't that good? Is that good?

[Brent Davey]

That's the joke.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I've never had to do it. It's a play on the. That's just the alcohol talking. It's just the sobriety talking.

[Caleb Hammer]

You are. You're ready for the late night show tour?

[Brent Davey]

Thank you, man. I was like. It works with the sobriety crowd. Yeah. I identify as an addict, like, I identify as, like, a recovering alcoholic experiencing recovery while I'm in recovery.

[Caleb Hammer]

Absolutely.

[Brent Davey]

I just want to clarify that for the identity politics, you know, we have to be really specific these days.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, no, I'm actually really proud of you for getting. I didn't know that was an issue. You were dealing with. So well done. Because that's really hard. Alcohol is one of the harder ones for sure. It's a beast.

[Brent Davey]

It's a beast. That's for sure.

[Caleb Hammer]

So how long have you been sober?

[Brent Davey]

July 28th is my sober date.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, well, so that brings us just over two months, right? Yep.

[Brent Davey]

I just got my two month shift.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well done. Take another bite of cake. You deserve it.

[Brent Davey]

Thank you, dude. Absolutely.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, sir. Sober, I mean, that's something that, you know, I always gotta take very seriously. What I try to tell people when we do financial audit or financial audit, follow ups, whatever it is, is. Yes, personal finance is very important, but mental and addictions, anything like that, that comes number one because there is hamstring you. Yeah, that comes number one because if you don't address that, then there is no financial conversation to be had. And if you're not going to be here in 20 years, there's no financial sacrifices.

[Brent Davey]

There's nothing to look forward to. There's nothing to build for. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like my earning potential is going to be.

[Caleb Hammer]

I.

[Brent Davey]

It's relatively unknown because I was binge drinking. So over the last five years. So I don't really know what I'm capable of.

[Caleb Hammer]

So what is going on now?

[Brent Davey]

Let's see. I am working on a concept for an improv show. A game that.

[Caleb Hammer]

Damn it. Damn it.

[Brent Davey]

What's up?

[Caleb Hammer]

I mean, it's fun.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

I just really wish it was like. Cause last time you had a big thing, you were 100,000% convinced you were gonna win this like song grant.

[Brent Davey]

I've got. I've gotten grants for music before. I didn't get that.

[Caleb Hammer]

Did you win the grant?

[Brent Davey]

I didn't get that one.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's the thing is you don't win all. You don't. But you were very confident.

[Brent Davey]

I know, but you've been in entertainment a long time. You know that everything does. I've gotten music grants from them before. They recommended a smaller sized one and that one's kind of on the back burner right now because.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, that's my concern. Because you bring this up, this game show idea, I'm like, can we just do a job? Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

What do you think I've been doing?

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, well, that's what I'm asking. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What have you been doing?

[Brent Davey]

I've been doing Uber Eats, which is sucks.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, why are you still doing that? Because last time we established that wasn't going very well.

[Brent Davey]

Like Walmart and Chick Fil.

[Caleb Hammer]

A.

[Brent Davey]

And.

[Caleb Hammer]

But are you still doing the thing where you kind of go in there and be like, let's rework how Chick Fil A works?

[Brent Davey]

That's not. That's not really the approach that I give. But I do wonder, if I got an interview for Chick Fil A, they won't actually, like, respond, but if I did.

[Caleb Hammer]

Wait, should I tell them? Wait, what do you mean? You got an interview but they won't respond? How does that work?

[Brent Davey]

If I got an interview at Chick Fil A?

[Caleb Hammer]

If you got an interview, you wouldn't respond or they wouldn't.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I haven't got a response from Chick Fil A.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

But if I did, I'm always, like, thinking, should I mention that I helped start, like, the protests against them? Like, I mean, that's a pretty good point. You know, I mean, I would suggest. No, we won.

[Caleb Hammer]

You did?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Aren't they the most successful fast food chain in this country?

[Brent Davey]

The foundation changed its political position on marriage equality. They don't attack us anymore.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, so did pretty much everyone, though. Everyone kind of got on board with.

[Brent Davey]

I know, yeah. It took action and things.

[Caleb Hammer]

You think it was that or just like, just culture, just moving forward.

[Brent Davey]

It took action. They wouldn't just, like, do that, like, maybe.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know. I personally don't know.

[Brent Davey]

I mean, it's a dialectic. Politics is a dialectic. People respond positions. You can guide people into stronger positions. You can take action into kind of creating the emphasis to a lot of people.

[Caleb Hammer]

Gay people that just got to like, oh, my nephew's gay. Oh, maybe gay people aren't weird. No, we like gays. For a lot of people, that's just kind of. It was an evolution over a few decades.

[Brent Davey]

Right. But it also took action. What really changed Chick Fil A's. What is their foundation? Cathay? Something like that. They had a foundation that was funding opposition to marriage equality.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, they lost that one, so maybe they just gave up.

[Brent Davey]

Well, what really did it was when municipalities started saying that they can't rent spaces from their airports, from, you know, city owned, city owned buildings, and that.

[Caleb Hammer]

They'Re working for Chick Fil A. It hit their pocketbook. What's next?

[Brent Davey]

Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. I am acting. I'm playing music.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm trying to talk about, like, trying to get a job.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I'm driving Uber Eats.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, no, no. I know, but trying to get a job. We know you're doing Uber Eats right now.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I apply all the time for tons of jobs everywhere.

[Caleb Hammer]

Although I have your resume. Yeah, I'll review it.

[Brent Davey]

What was that?

[Caleb Hammer]

That's in here. I want to review it. Because if you're applying for jobs. Oh yeah, that's fantastic. So let's do your resume.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I probably need help with it.

[Caleb Hammer]

You do. From a general scan. All right, so here's a few pointers out of the gate. One, three pages. You're applying for Chick Fil A. If Chick Fil A gets three pages, they're going to. I mean they're burning it.

[Brent Davey]

So what should I put?

[Caleb Hammer]

One page. Let's. We're doing one page of what? Okay, this is for like a cfo, just does two pages.

[Brent Davey]

But what should I put.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, we'll talk about that.

[Brent Davey]

But that's just Uber, Uber, Uber.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, hold on.

[Brent Davey]

Cause Uber's in there.

[Caleb Hammer]

We'll get to there. What you put on it. But just first things first for what you're trying to do. Three pages. One page. Like what job is this going to.

[Brent Davey]

That basket of jobs?

[Caleb Hammer]

Not a basket. Because you need to curate resumes very specifically. That is a part of the reason why you're immediately getting turned down.

[Brent Davey]

Digital strategist.

[Caleb Hammer]

Digital strategist.

[Brent Davey]

There you go.

[Caleb Hammer]

So freelance writer. I'd get rid of that. Digital media consultant. Okay. I'd keep that on personality. Get rid of it. Strategist portfolio. Maybe. What is medium?

[Brent Davey]

What is medium?

[Caleb Hammer]

Give a medium link.

[Brent Davey]

Medium is a. It's started by the guys that started Twitter. Jack and.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, so nobody's using it, but it's a.

[Brent Davey]

It's a long form publishing platform. I would say it's like the sister to Twitter, but it's long form with no users. I don't know. There's user base right now it's just a blogging sort of tool. I don't know their numbers.

[Caleb Hammer]

So. Results Driven Media Pro has specialties in writing, infotainment and content strategy. That's pretty okay. Shaping audience and user experience. I'm okay with that. Maximum earned impact. For maximum earned impact since 2001. That's a little weird sometimes. Funny. Always shipping. I'd get rid of that. No need for personality in here.

[Brent Davey]

Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you okay with that? Are you taking a pass?

[Brent Davey]

Okay. Oh, okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're also talking about. And we cannot do this. I would do job by job because what you did 2013 to present what you're doing through these bullet points, which is meant to be about the content media specialist or whatever you have part time Uber driver with 2,500 plus deliveries with 99% customer satisfaction. I Just. I wouldn't even. Wouldn't even put that in there. I'm gonna be honest. Just like, it doesn't. Like. No.

[Brent Davey]

No fatalities.

[Caleb Hammer]

All right.

[Brent Davey]

And no fatalities.

[Caleb Hammer]

Zero fatalities.

[Brent Davey]

I'm not taking that out. That's. Yeah. And zero fatalities. That's big. Have you ever. Have you been a taxi cab driver?

[Caleb Hammer]

I want you to get a job.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, my God. No, I'm not taking that out.

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Caleb Hammer]

Only at K. You were a poster on social media. That's not a job. Posting on X is not a job.

[Brent Davey]

You get little gigs out of it. You get little gigs out of it.

[Caleb Hammer]

You didn't talk about the gig. You talked about you being. Posting. And it's earning praise from the NIH director. Do they even know that? And juror Surgeon general. Yes. Well, hey, Former Surgeon General of Florida, Dr. Joseph Ladpo. This is who you praised.

[Brent Davey]

No. Who we know on Twitter. Yeah, we know each other.

[Caleb Hammer]

Is that what you say about me?

[Brent Davey]

No. I mean, every. I. I just say. I just say that because you seem.

[Caleb Hammer]

To know a lot of people, but do they know that you. They know you.

[Brent Davey]

I say you're really nice. That's what I say.

[Caleb Hammer]

I am nice in general. I'm also a. I go between. Like, I just. I just. I hit it real.

[Brent Davey]

Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

Would you disagree?

[Brent Davey]

I don't know what's going on.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's concerning. Okay. So, yeah, this is. I mean, just as. Oh, my gosh. All right. Hey, let's pay to sit Brent down with, like, a resume helper. Cause this is just. Yeah, let's do that, because this is going to be just too much to go to. And we got to get to these finances because that just. That first page out of three. This is a disaster.

[Brent Davey]

Look at all my skills, dude. Because I'm like, I got skills.

[Caleb Hammer]

Like, well, you got to get to the third page to see them.

[Brent Davey]

I got skills, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Skills. Storytelling, growth. Marketing, infotainment, improv, comedy. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. Songwriting, horseback riding.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, yeah, totally. If you don't know, you might be, like, working at a coffee shop and then you got to get on horse. I don't know how things work. It happens.

[Caleb Hammer]

Meetings, analysis, analytics. Well, that's good business consulting. Is that a skill? I don't know. It's more of a job. Horseback. More. Okay. Come on. Dude, this is so stupid.

[Brent Davey]

He's not even gonna say it.

[Caleb Hammer]

What's so stupid? You're memeing your life. What?

[Brent Davey]

I'm not even gonna say.

[Caleb Hammer]

So how about this, Brent? Genuine question. Genuine question. Do you even give a About your life?

[Brent Davey]

That one?

[Caleb Hammer]

You even give a f. You don't.

[Brent Davey]

Because you won't read my resume.

[Caleb Hammer]

Do you even give a. You're doing nothing. Your resume is a joke. You're acting like a joke. You don't do anything. You're not pursuing anything real. You've never accomplished anything real and tangible.

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[Caleb Hammer]

You, the only thing going for you is your okay. Brent, what are you doing? Come on. I'm genuinely. I want to know. Do you give a. About your life?

[Brent Davey]

No.

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[Brent Davey]

Why? That's what you want me to say?

[Caleb Hammer]

No, I'm not. Dude, you're the joker, man.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know. Are you an idiot? We just threw an emotional arc in the middle of the podcast where I'm, like, saying that I just went to rehab. Dude, I don't know. You're, like, missing a beat or something.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yet your resume's a joke and you're not doing anything to improve your this part of your life. I celebrated the rehab with you. We're not gonna sit here and jerk each other off the entire conversation about it. We're moving on.

[Brent Davey]

I shouldn't use that resume. Hold on. I got to go rethink my life. I shouldn't use that resume? Is that what you're saying?

[Caleb Hammer]

What are you doing right now? I should.

[Brent Davey]

That was real. You're saying I really shouldn't use that resume. He's Saying I shouldn't use that resume.

[Caleb Hammer]

A little confused.

[Brent Davey]

I gotta re.

[Caleb Hammer]

Re.

[Brent Davey]

Rethink everything. My God. Been wasting time. Hold on. This. This episode's changing my life. I could already feel it coming on.

[Caleb Hammer]

You know, you have the choice for what people that take and make the choice to walk away from here and put in actionable things that we talk about change their lives. We have incredibly successful people that have been on the show. You're not one of them. And that is your choice.

[Brent Davey]

Just a loser. Just a loser.

[Caleb Hammer]

If we're being candid. Yes.

[Brent Davey]

Yep, I'm a loser. So why don't you.

[Caleb Hammer]

I can't hear you. The ac.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I'm a loser, baby. Why don't you kill me?

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, my.

[Brent Davey]

God.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know how this always happens, but we talk about how I want you to get better in something that is wrong with something you're doing. And then the third time is the charm where without fail, you're just a baby. No, that's it.

[Brent Davey]

You got any more, though? I mean, it's going to take a while to fill a fucking upstairs.

[Caleb Hammer]

So you don't care.

[Brent Davey]

I could fill a podcast just talking by myself.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's why you've been so successful.

[Brent Davey]

Can you do it?

[Caleb Hammer]

Well as the top 10 podcasts on the Internet?

[Brent Davey]

Yes, but not by yourself. You need to pay somebody to beat up on.

[Caleb Hammer]

Not pay. You get paid. That's. That's because you.

[Brent Davey]

You pay somebody to beat up. Do you think you'd be famous if you didn't have somebody paid to beat up?

[Caleb Hammer]

They're not honest paid. Honest question again. The way you approach everything is so disingenuous.

[Brent Davey]

Are you not going to answer the question?

[Caleb Hammer]

Honest question. But your question's wrong.

[Brent Davey]

Do you think that you would be successful if you weren't paying people to beat up on them?

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I had a quarter million dollar net worth at 25 before starting the show. Well above the median average.

[Brent Davey]

Yes, that was an honest question.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, but it was not a good faith question because it was incorrect. We do not pay people to come on the show. We do not pay people to come on the show. Don't be a dumb coach Brent.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Don't be a dumb. You're being.

[Brent Davey]

I what? I'm being. Yes, you're being inappropriate. This is inappropriate.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're being a. Because you know that's a disingenuous answer.

[Brent Davey]

Told me at least like do something slightly real instead of just like random word. Hey, it's not even relevant to like, I asked you A genuine question.

[Caleb Hammer]

It wasn't genuine. It wasn't good faith. You know, we don't pay people to come on the show. You get paid once a year to go to just sit here and see what's happened to you.

[Brent Davey]

Because you responded to a paid casting call.

[Caleb Hammer]

Exactly.

[Brent Davey]

The first time I went on.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, that was different. That's when we didn't have an audience. So, yeah, we put it out onto platforms to receive people.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know how it works, man.

[Caleb Hammer]

Didn't ask instead of fucking. That's what I did. You didn't. You're being disingenuous.

[Brent Davey]

Did I not ask him? I just asked.

[Caleb Hammer]

Not in a genuine way. If. What was the second half of your question?

[Brent Davey]

I. Do you think you'd be famous if you didn't pay people to go on your show? And you could be like, no, we don't. Okay. I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, no, because the question is, would you be famous? They wasn't having to. Correct. You're not a good faith person.

[Brent Davey]

You don't think that was good faith?

[Caleb Hammer]

You're not. No. You don't think. You're not a good faith person.

[Brent Davey]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Caleb Hammer]

I've never viewed you as a bad person. I viewed you as a troubled person and kind of a loser because you've never accomplished anything in your entire life. But I won a Glad award. Dude, Buddy, you made 4,000 hours a month off that magazine. It wasn't a very good magazine. You didn't do.

[Brent Davey]

I want a Glad award.

[Caleb Hammer]

Also, you tried to read.

[Brent Davey]

I got citations in the Washington Post.

[Caleb Hammer]

You know what you got? You tried to renegotiate your contract and they said, oh, shit, you're not worth dick, and they got you out of there.

[Brent Davey]

Well, now you're saying I wasn't getting paid enough. Maybe there was a reason I quit.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, almost like you didn't. You didn't quit. You tried to get more money. They said no.

[Brent Davey]

I knew how much money we were making.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah. Not much.

[Brent Davey]

And I decided it wasn't worth it anymore and I wanted to move on. I didn't like the editorial direction he was taking.

[Caleb Hammer]

So successful since.

[Brent Davey]

No.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes. Correct. There you go. So, yes, again, I've never considered you a genuinely bad person.

[Brent Davey]

I'm not out here saying that I'm a financial success. Dude, you're like. You're arguing with a straw man.

[Caleb Hammer]

Not arguing with anything.

[Brent Davey]

I'm arguing with a straw man.

[Caleb Hammer]

You don't let me get to the end of my statements and my thoughts go on.

[Brent Davey]

I'M gonna shut up for a little.

[Caleb Hammer]

What I was gonna say is I've never viewed you as a genuinely bad person, but I have viewed you as kind of a loser in life and a troubled person. Just be. And because of that, it's because of how you act, how you send emails, you're getting arrested for death threats to the governor. And because at what point.

[Brent Davey]

No, I did not. I did not.

[Caleb Hammer]

But I did not in the end. Now, after this conversation, seeing how you.

[Brent Davey]

Are, you are actually.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, so you're not gonna let me finish my point because I was actually upset?

[Brent Davey]

No, because you're actually libeling me again. You have a trouble with reality.

[Caleb Hammer]

Sue me.

[Brent Davey]

I might do it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, I might love to see how these war chests stack up against each other.

[Brent Davey]

It doesn't really matter. There's fact and objectivity. Yes, and if you believe in fact and objectivity, you do, right?

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Davey]

Then you libeled me last time by saying that I'm unwilling to work. And I specifically said I will take a job beneath what I'm expecting.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're not willing to work because your resume is a joke. That's not a resume. That's gonna get a job, and you know it.

[Brent Davey]

Do you.

[Caleb Hammer]

Do you think you don't give a.

[Brent Davey]

F. Do you think that that's what I send to everybody?

[Caleb Hammer]

I think it's what you send to digital media.

[Brent Davey]

I think that's what I said, which.

[Caleb Hammer]

Is what you care about.

[Brent Davey]

You are so strange.

[Caleb Hammer]

Again, to finish my point, but now because of seeing how you've approached some of these things with bringing up Noah disingenuously without you knowing anything about it, with you bringing up the. He just. With you. I'm gonna finish my point. With you bringing up paying guests to come on to get bereted when that is objectively not true. I no longer, unfortunately, believe that you're not generally a bad person because you are not good faith. You come in and you try to smear to take down the show that has. You got your feelings hurt. Cause you get called on your shit for the first time in your. Because you're an egotistical who never gets called out on anything. You're a child.

[Brent Davey]

Close your eyes. Exhale.

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[Brent Davey]

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[Brent Davey]

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[Brent Davey]

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[Caleb Hammer]

Come on, Flagpin. Where's your debate rebuttal? You're on the stage. The nation's watching.

[Brent Davey]

Not true.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, good one.

[Brent Davey]

That's all it takes.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, hit it. That's all it takes. It's all it takes. Except we literally have the facts about not paying guests to come on the show. We literally have the facts about Noah. We have the facts about all this. Your last episode, you were disingenuous about the payment thing. Shut the. You are not a good faith person. You're not a good person. I'm happy and can celebrate the sobriety thing. Just because you did one good thing, very good thing. Does not all of a sudden mean the rest of your life is considered good or that you're a good person. And that's not how it should ever do. Oh, come on. It's not. Sorry I feel that way. It's via your actions and your statements. When people disingenuinely try to bring down someone because they just don't like the way they say things. It's a disgusting thing. It's a disgusting part of our culture. You are a disgusting part of our culture. You are gonna make things up just like many other people have to try to harm somebody because you didn't like them. You're disgusting. But besides that, what do you think your financial score is today? 0 to 10. 0 being the worst, 10 being the best.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know where that's coming from.

[Caleb Hammer]

You don't know? I would say probably zero. If you want your Hammer financial score, go to caleb hammer.com you can take it for free. See where you stand. And if you get oddly below a zero and you get put in the moron category, when Brent's face pops up on screen at the end of the quiz, that's your fault. And only him in his one single voter election is probably the only one to get that result on the website. But you'll get a Hammer financial score. It's free. See where you stand. Caleb.com download the Dollar Wise app. It's really good, Brent. You could use it. You get it for free.

[Brent Davey]

Are you okay? Are you?

[Caleb Hammer]

Holy shit. Oh, my goodness. An in video advertisement. That's crazy. That's never been heard of before.

[Brent Davey]

But usually it's more like what you want to do.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes, Please tell me, successful podcaster, how is it normally?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's More like integrated conversationally. I think you just like, went, whoa, it was crazy. But maybe it works. I mean, it works after editing. It's just weird to experience in real life. Sorry.

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

Are you talking to me?

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm looking at you.

[Brent Davey]

Are you talking to me? Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

So weird, huh? How much money came in last month.

[Brent Davey]

I was in rehab.

[Caleb Hammer]

Is that the month we have?

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[Brent Davey]

I'm still actually in outpatient.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's good.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's nice. It's great.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I want you to get the support where you can again. Just because I know behind the scenes that you're genuinely not a good person and you've done bad things and you tried to harm us in many different ways, doesn't mean that I'm not gonna celebrate you. And hopefully. You know what? Actually, I wanna take into account that during those times when we. When we receive those phone calls from those sources.

[Brent Davey]

I canceled Gerber from your last show. I was so pissed off with the way you treated me in last show. I had Gerber. I talked to somebody in Gerber. I said, this is terrible. Somebody's gonna kill themselves on the show. Like, I was literally worried that somebody will kill themselves on this show. I mean, it was.

[Caleb Hammer]

Will it be you? Like, Is that what you're saying? I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

Well, I thought about it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I hope not. Please don't. If you need help, 998 and reach, we will make sure. We do anything to make sure you don't.

[Brent Davey]

I think that's. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Reminder. What you guys do not know is I've answered a phone call in the middle of a water park, having fun with my friends on a day off, on a weekend from Britain. Talked to him for an hour and helped him. Yeah. You don't even remember this.

[Brent Davey]

No, you didn't.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, of course.

[Brent Davey]

Was this. What year was this? Was this.

[Caleb Hammer]

What year was this? It doesn't fucking matter, Brent. Three years Exactly. It's about a year and a half ago.

[Brent Davey]

No, not a year and a half ago. You didn't.

[Caleb Hammer]

At a water park. Yes. Trustworthy, huh? You say? I was not at a water park. I also talked to you in my driveway once. On the phone as well. I help you when you need help and you try to hurt us behind our back. I answered your call. You're a disgusting person. After you sent troubling text messages. Yes, I reached out and talked to you on the phone to help you. So you saying the show's bad? You didn't though reliable source of information. Brent Davey? Yes. Trust him or trust me? You decide who. Oh, fuck. Okay, well, the finances are gonna be interesting. I've never done the finances of the month that someone was in rehab. What's been happening since you've been out? Let's say. Well, September. What happened? September. Finances was.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know. I guess it was okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

It just ended. September just ended.

[Brent Davey]

I mean, I've been working on things. I don't really know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Like what? What have you been working on?

[Brent Davey]

Myself.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's things. Cool. What have you been doing to work on yourself?

[Brent Davey]

I'm volunteering. I'm going to meetings.

[Caleb Hammer]

Good. We support that. And with the rest of the time.

[Brent Davey]

Preparing to go on the show.

[Caleb Hammer]

How long? How much preparation? You know, everyone that comes on the show is from the audience, and they literally just come and they film and then they go home and they have a good time and everyone's happy. What the. You have to prepare for. Well, I've logged into your accounts.

[Brent Davey]

I've been working with.

[Caleb Hammer]

I guess it's stressful redacting things. No need. We do that.

[Brent Davey]

You didn't the first time, so I've.

[Caleb Hammer]

Been the first time, Brent, when I was in my condo by myself. You know, the show's different. Don't be a disingenuous prick.

[Brent Davey]

Maybe I have traumatic stress disorder, too. I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, you seem to have everything. You make up something new every episode. Like law this time. Law school.

[Brent Davey]

I went to Loyola Law School. I dropped out after I shattered my ankle.

[Caleb Hammer]

This is interesting how when you were really happy.

[Brent Davey]

Is this real or is this. Is he bull. Does he actually not believe me, or is he, like, being Buddy.

[Caleb Hammer]

This is our third meeting, and you bragged so hard about your degree in information systems. That would come up in those conversations about you bragging.

[Brent Davey]

I can't encompass my entire life. For you, it's my life.

[Caleb Hammer]

I asked what you did, what degree, what school you went to. The first Time that would have come up. Up. Print.

[Brent Davey]

I dropped out after I shattered my ankle.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Why does the shattering ankle equal dropout? Because people get injured in school.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. I had a complication. The cast was.

[Caleb Hammer]

I was new lore.

[Brent Davey]

I was an idiot.

[Caleb Hammer]

The cast was also not on your resume. It's another reason not to believe I didn't graduate.

[Brent Davey]

So I didn't put it on there. Yeah. Chop down. After almost a year. But I had a complication. My ankle. The cast was on too tight, and I didn't realize it, and my heel died. And when they took off the cast, it was a stage five pressure ulcer.

[Caleb Hammer]

You've had this thing forever.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

What's the treatment?

[Brent Davey]

It blows. It blows. I basically have to.

[Caleb Hammer]

You know, everyone in the last episode thought you were gonna say cancer because you hyped it up. You're like, stage one. It used to be stage two, but now stage one with a bandana, press rolls.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, that's because I'm a sweaty Irishman. Bandana. Yeah. So, yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

You look better now.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, thank you.

[Caleb Hammer]

You do you. No. You've had a glow up, and I'm happy the sobriety has worked.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

I just got a picture of it. It's a little nasty. What stage is it now?

[Brent Davey]

Now? Oh, right now it's a one. But that one. No, that's a stage five. Good. That is five. Right after. That was the worst it's ever been. And that caused a permanent deep tissue.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah. And what. What is the.

[Brent Davey]

So now it vacillates between one and three, and it's. That's good. But whenever it's three, I have to, like, clean it and dress it and shit. But, like, if I stand on it too much, it gets acting up.

[Caleb Hammer]

But remind me, it's just a part of the treatment.

[Brent Davey]

I was banging off your feet most of the. Like, whenever it starts getting bad, I mean, I can. I can do some things, but, like, sometimes it acts up.

[Caleb Hammer]

Also, one of my producers right now just went through your entire LinkedIn with key searches, and nothing about Law or Loyola was ever on your LinkedIn. And we know you like to type.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I didn't put Loyola on there.

[Caleb Hammer]

Because I can we search the email inbox. It might be in there for Mr. Brent, because you talk about. About everything. If they could see the approximately 5,000.

[Brent Davey]

Are you lying to going to law school?

[Caleb Hammer]

Yes.

[Brent Davey]

I met Anthony Romero at law school and I asked.

[Caleb Hammer]

You've met everyone. That's your favorite thing. Name dropping. That's what you do.

[Brent Davey]

I worked with Anthony Romero.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm sure you did. Yes. You worked with Barack Obama. You were his best friend, and you ran his presidency. This is. I mean, like, this is what you always do, and then you've never done anything.

[Brent Davey]

Do you know Colin Hoback?

[Caleb Hammer]

Uh, no.

[Brent Davey]

No. He's a documentary filmmaker. He just did that big QAnon thing.

[Caleb Hammer]

And you were not in it?

[Brent Davey]

No, I didn't.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, then. Yay.

[Brent Davey]

But I worked. I worked with him. And of course you did.

[Caleb Hammer]

Rent. This is what I want to correct about your language. I am not pushing back on you saying you worked with people necessarily. It's you always this amplifying yourself, your bullshit resume, you taking your life as a joke. Oh, I worked with this. I accomplished this.

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[Caleb Hammer]

You have nothing tangible that you've ever done, and no one's hiring you because of that. So I want to reframe how you present yourself. Cause I want you to get a job and have a good career.

[Brent Davey]

Tell me what to say.

[Caleb Hammer]

It's not about what to say. I'm telling you what not to right now. You're always talking about. I've worked at this. I've worked at this. You're jerking yourself constantly off about everything you've done, even though you have nothing to show.

[Brent Davey]

I don't have a ton of money. That's not a. I asked for a credit.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm trying to get you money. Okay. By getting a job. Okay. I'll give credit where credit is due. We got loyal. Mentioned a couple times in emails. Couple emails out of the 5,000. But are they new nowadays? Believe in it. I love how every time you look around, everyone's eyes go down to the floor. Everyone's afraid of making eye contact with you.

[Brent Davey]

They're terrified. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Also, again, this is how I know your bad faith. You went out there, the person who got fired for being bad at their job, and I've only had to fire a couple people. You went and you were, like, supporting his entire snark of bull, his disingenuous bull, because he was a petty motherfucker.

[Brent Davey]

I thought he had a perspective.

[Caleb Hammer]

He had a perspective of a fired employee who's very upset that he was bad with his job. Multiple jobs in a row, getting fired and has never accomplished anything in his life and never will. I don't know. His most successful thing he's ever done in his life was about someone else.

[Brent Davey]

I talked to him. I thought he was nice.

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

I have blew it over here.

[Caleb Hammer]

What a kind guy. Credit card. No one to collections.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, oh yeah. I have a couple in collections.

[Caleb Hammer]

Which is fair because if you're in sobriety like I always say.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Focus on that. Like put the finances honestly do not matter if we're taking care of our life. Yeah, that's what I always say.

[Brent Davey]

It's, it's, it's an investment.

[Caleb Hammer]

They don't clip that.

[Brent Davey]

So yeah, totally. I feel like my earning potential is going to be great.

[Caleb Hammer]

Hold you 43. Really? Okay.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. Same thing happened with this person alone and this person alone and this person alone. So you just gave up. Oh, those are because you weren't in sobriety. When these started of not paying, you just full on stop paying. End of the 2024. It was actually after our last episode. It looks like you just gave up and you stopped.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I got attacked and then I got attacked.

[Caleb Hammer]

Now what happened?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I. Well, I've been attacked a lot, man.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you getting attacked? Where are you? What are you doing?

[Brent Davey]

I just been getting attacked.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, come on. Just getting attacked. Give us a little more information.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, one time I'm walking down the street from actual. I bought. Bought cleaning supplies at this Dollar General. And I'm walking down the street with a bucket and I'm about to clean this room I rented from a pad split mop of cleaning supplies from Dollar General. I'm being really thrifty, doing everything right, and some girl in a truck goes, hey. Throws a bottle at me out of the truck. And I'm like, what the. What, what was that?

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, you made it sound like you, you got beat up by like a.

[Brent Davey]

Then one time, one time you've got.

[Caleb Hammer]

A bottle thrown at you. That sucks. I'm sorry. But yeah, different things.

[Brent Davey]

Weird things like that one time I'm walking from an extended student motel.

[Caleb Hammer]

Where are you?

[Brent Davey]

Dallas. This is Dallas, man. It was all Dallas. Dallas was. I'm so glad. Dallas was about to eat me alive. Like, keep going.

[Caleb Hammer]

You got attacked. Please tell me.

[Brent Davey]

One time I'm walking to the convenience store from the 60th Day Motel, about to start my Uber shift, and a crackhead jumped me, like, with my backpack.

[Caleb Hammer]

We love crackheads.

[Brent Davey]

And I did not have. I did not have my laptop in it, thank God. But like, I had a pair of glasses in it that I bought from the last time on the show. And then I can just imagine him like being like, oh, there's only glasses in here. Like, oh, God, I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, does that have to do with you not making payments?

[Brent Davey]

I wasn't able to make them. Okay. And there's.

[Caleb Hammer]

But I'm sympathetic for the jumping. I don't see how it's connected.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's like the maintenance of being attacked is a lot of work. You know what I mean?

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah. So you're in pretty rough areas.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's true. I mean, those low income extended state motels are not.

[Caleb Hammer]

How did you get personal protection of some, you know, pew, pew. I, I, trust me, I'm not advocating for that for you.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know. I, I just didn't do it. I mean, at least around guns, but.

[Caleb Hammer]

What's up, Mace? Like, if this is a reoccurring thing and not the victim blame. But I'm blaming you a little for not going and getting after the third.

[Brent Davey]

I've never pulled a weapon on anybody and I don't even know if I could, so. I mean, it's a self spray.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm not considering that a weapon necessarily.

[Brent Davey]

Defense mechanism.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

I should get it. I should totally have it. You're right.

[Caleb Hammer]

You've gone gray.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, you're stressed.

[Caleb Hammer]

True stressed, lad.

[Brent Davey]

Sure.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're a nice blonde boy. When I first met you. Blonde or something. I don't know. What the. What are you brown?

[Brent Davey]

Well, it used to be bright red, but it kind of.

[Caleb Hammer]

I did not see red. I never see red. You're ginger. Yeah. This is one of yours?

[Brent Davey]

Yep. Well, our other ginger in our fight went blonde. Lindsay Lohan went blonde. She's a ginger trader.

[Caleb Hammer]

Personal loan. Also collections. This one. This one just started. This personal loan just went to collections 745. Just. Cell phone. This guy's been in collection since forever. Nope.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, that was the cell phone that got stolen in Palm Springs and then I haven't.

[Caleb Hammer]

Palm Springs. Are you able to go anywhere without getting. Like. I would go anywhere without getting the.

[Brent Davey]

Last trip when I went to la.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, right.

[Brent Davey]

I got robbed.

[Caleb Hammer]

That sucks, man. I'm sorry.

[Brent Davey]

It's.

[Caleb Hammer]

Why don't you start putting yourself in safer positions if possible.

[Brent Davey]

Risk management is like.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, at least pepper spray.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, totally.

[Caleb Hammer]

Like this just seems to keep happening.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Like it's relentlessly. Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

No risk reduction. I can't really travel very well, so.

[Caleb Hammer]

Because they won't let you on a plane or.

[Brent Davey]

No, no. I can't really travel alone very well.

[Caleb Hammer]

How's your dating life?

[Brent Davey]

I'm not really interested right now.

[Caleb Hammer]

When's the last time.

[Brent Davey]

Last time I had a boyfriend or dick. Went on a date?

[Caleb Hammer]

Both.

[Brent Davey]

Oh. Last boyfriend. Oh, probably 2018.

[Caleb Hammer]

It's a while. Yeah. A long time and date.

[Brent Davey]

I'm not really dating. I can't. When was the last day? I. I probably went out sometime in the last five years, but I'm just like.

[Caleb Hammer]

When was the last.

[Brent Davey]

I don't. I'm not really dating.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're not even.

[Brent Davey]

Not really gonna get you laid. Oh, my God.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, you'll get so excited about the world again.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know. I think I did enough of that in my twenties.

[Caleb Hammer]

Were you safe?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, of course.

[Caleb Hammer]

Good.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Good laugh.

[Brent Davey]

Absolutely. Okay.

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[Caleb Hammer]

I mean told every single time you've been targeted or attacked, you are also equally at that exact time completely like up drunk. Like, are you sure you didn't extend the anything but you just don't maybe have any acknowledgment?

[Brent Davey]

I've been up drunk. That's not true.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, you're right. This was a question they wanted me to ask. Were you always drunk?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, was it always drunk?

[Caleb Hammer]

I read it wrong.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I got you. No, no, it's not just always drunk get attacked. But it sure doesn't help in the risk reduction department. You don't want to put yourself in risky situations. And when you're drunk out of your.

[Caleb Hammer]

Body, you're bottom without a condom. Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

There you go.

[Caleb Hammer]

Cheers. Here's some cream.

[Brent Davey]

Shove it up your ass than.

[Caleb Hammer]

You started with 91 cents in your checking account.

[Brent Davey]

I just got forked.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, you started with negative or you started with 91 cents in your checking account?

[Brent Davey]

Which month?

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, yeah, End of August. So this was after rehab, technically.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, right. No, that's right where I was getting out, I guess. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

And where was income coming from? Uber Eats.

[Brent Davey]

UberEats? Yes.

[Caleb Hammer]

Any government assistance?

[Brent Davey]

No, Uber Eats writing.

[Caleb Hammer]

Why aren't you on. You don't have like. Are you on like Affordable Care Act? Any of the health plans there subsidized?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I got the healthcare.gov plan. It's pretty easy, isn't was this time.

[Caleb Hammer]

Can you thank you. Tell that to everyone out there on this show that has come on their bitch and moan. It's so easy. I had.

[Brent Davey]

I had issues getting on it before, but this time it was easy because you were sober. No, I was sober.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm kidding.

[Brent Davey]

I'm joking.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm goofing with you.

[Brent Davey]

I wasn't like a.

[Caleb Hammer]

You know, I'm goofing with you. We're friends. Well, no, I don't want you to repeat that.

[Brent Davey]

Oh my God. Wow. I feel special.

[Caleb Hammer]

I want you to repeat it. I know you like repeating all the people you know.

[Brent Davey]

Telephone, television, Brent.

[Caleb Hammer]

Apple Bill, Spotify. See, listen, if we're just trying to survive, like, okay, Spotify I'm okay with because you're uber eating. So like, yeah, let's listen to songs. Just whatever this Apple Bill is subscription. Like, I definitely don't want that. There's an overdraft for a second Spotify. What do I. Oh, no, it was overdraft from Spotify.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, it's making you cry, man. I'm sorry.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, it's. It's making me too much. Get oily Amazon. What are we Amazoning?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I'm a film and television critic on Book and Film Globe, which is absolutely one of the best.

[Caleb Hammer]

I just want you to survive.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's job. I'm. It's one of the best. It's one of the best sites in the entire Internet.

[Caleb Hammer]

What's it called?

[Brent Davey]

Book and Film Globe. We got. We got Stephen Garrett. Timeout.

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I do not.

[Brent Davey]

But I am not a.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, okay. Lindsay worked in Hollywood for. Yeah, quite a long time. But he does, you know, posting on.

[Brent Davey]

Medium is a thing.

[Caleb Hammer]

He posts on Medium.

[Brent Davey]

I know that Book and Film Globe. It's owned by Ken Kirson, who's.

[Caleb Hammer]

Dude, I don't know the names.

[Brent Davey]

You said former editor of the Village Voice in New York. We got Stephen Garrick on from Time Out.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, we don't. You're doing the name thing again. You're doing the name thing.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, you're doing the name thing. It's a great blog and I love it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay?

[Brent Davey]

It's a journal.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're spending a lot of money on it and you have none.

[Brent Davey]

It's media criticism. And it's. If you want to know what a thing is about on the Internet, like, what is this movie about?

[Caleb Hammer]

I need to like. Are you sponsored?

[Brent Davey]

Am I sponsored by them? I work there.

[Caleb Hammer]

What do you make?

[Brent Davey]

I review television.

[Caleb Hammer]

What do you make? Money.

[Brent Davey]

I make money. Yeah, I make money. I make money writing a bunch.

[Caleb Hammer]

How much? Friends, please. How much money?

[Brent Davey]

Lots and lots of money.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, you're being a goofball now because you heard them make a giggle.

[Brent Davey]

So you're trying to freelance writer. I make around 1,000 to 2,000amonth freelance writing. I mean, I've been.

[Caleb Hammer]

900 came in and you said you're also doing Uber Eats. That doesn't line up, up.

[Brent Davey]

I've been in rehab, dude.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, you weren't in this month.

[Brent Davey]

What month?

[Caleb Hammer]

This is the entire month of August. Not a single date from July.

[Brent Davey]

What? I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

August?

[Brent Davey]

I do.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay, can I see it? We have money transfer in from that. Looks like the Uber Eats card. Same with that one. And then. Same with that one. So we've only had Ubereats. Come, come. Are you sure they know you're employed?

[Brent Davey]

Who? Book and Film Globe. I write for them. Ken Carson signs my checks.

[Caleb Hammer]

Why did I not see any signed checks?

[Brent Davey]

Because the checks don't come in an image on the statement, Caleb.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, but there's no deposits.

[Brent Davey]

Are you sure you do this three times a month?

[Caleb Hammer]

There was no deposits.

[Brent Davey]

Are you sure you do this three times a week?

[Caleb Hammer]

No, I'm not. I do four.

[Brent Davey]

Okay. I don't know. Why? Because maybe I didn't have one go in that month or maybe I redacted.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's concerning.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

You didn't redact it? Cause I at least see the money coming in. Oh.

[Brent Davey]

Book and Film Globe pays me by check. Other outlets Pay me by PayPal.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah. You deposit your checks, though?

[Brent Davey]

Yes, yes. The last one I wrote, I covered because it's Amazon.

[Caleb Hammer]

Amazon, Amazon Dropout.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I don't think I got that check yet. I don't remember. I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

You said every month.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, I usually send an invoice at the end of the month.

[Caleb Hammer]

This was a whole month. And this was a month ago. Over a month ago.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know, Caleb. Sorry.

[Caleb Hammer]

But the last Dropout tv.

[Brent Davey]

Dropout I covered. Dropout TV is great, by the way. They got this show. Very important people that I covered for Book and Film, Globe.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you sponsored?

[Brent Davey]

Am I sponsored by them?

[Caleb Hammer]

Dropout tv?

[Brent Davey]

I'm Dropout tv. No.

[Caleb Hammer]

Then I don't care. Apple, Bill, Netflix, Adobe, Amazon, Amazon and Amazon. It's a lot of Amazon. Can you pull up your Amazon?

[Brent Davey]

My Amazon? What do you want to see on my Amazon?

[Caleb Hammer]

The orders. Oh, silly goose. We ordered Silly Goose? Silly Goose guy.

[Brent Davey]

I don't remember. Whatever. Probably Paramount. Maybe. I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know. Can't tell you. Making a little cave. I don't want any frosting.

[Brent Davey]

All right. You hard eater. God. Man, this is good.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's fine.

[Brent Davey]

Grisly. No artery.

[Caleb Hammer]

Pull up your Amazon, let's see what we got. What'd you think of the goof juice?

[Brent Davey]

I.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's Charlie's.

[Brent Davey]

I was like.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know if you put in the proper ratio.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know. Does it seem sweet or less?

[Brent Davey]

Feels like Kool Aid.

[Caleb Hammer]

Yeah, it's very Kool Aid. Ish.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

I think you have the caffeinated version, though. This is very good. Instead of going and buying a lot in energy drinks, that link is in the description below. Get yours 25 cents a serving. Instead of stopping in and getting some. You can also get free samples. Put in the code, Caleb, to take. I'll be Honest. I do like Charlie. That's not my favorite one.

[Brent Davey]

Let's see. What are the dates on the order?

[Caleb Hammer]

I just want to look at your orders. Can I just look at your orders?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Bohemian chick. Bandana. Back with the bandanas, aren't you? Another bandana. Really spent a lot of money on bandanas. He got the water bottle. Dude, we would have got you a free bottle. You know, you can reach out. Besides the, you know, sketchy things you send us, you're allowed to ask for help and we will set you up with anything. Oh, sweet buddy. I've offered that since the first episode.

[Brent Davey]

Oh, I didn't.

[Caleb Hammer]

I. I didn't know you can send more than threats. Okay. Color changer for your bedroom.

[Brent Davey]

I invited you over, though. That was off. I invited you over and you were offended.

[Caleb Hammer]

Multivitamin. That's okay. Razors. You know, prepping for the one bottom per decade. Taking some assumptions there. Power bottom, though, for sure. Playing cards, shirts, I don't know. Fidget spinner. Like, a lot of these don't seem 100% necessary. And then chess. Like, I'm just like, we're really struggling with money.

[Brent Davey]

These are essential rehab goods that. I mean, like, these are. You need chess in rehab.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, they don't have it.

[Brent Davey]

Well, we didn't at our house, so I bought it for us. I mean, I would think that no.

[Caleb Hammer]

Check from them in July either. Now I know, of course that's when you actually were in rehab, but I'm just. I'm just. I have too much. I don't know. I didn't see a single check.

[Brent Davey]

Deposited it, but I covered. I don't know if I got paid for it yet, but I covered very important people in. I think it was July.

[Caleb Hammer]

Can you show me your article?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, they loved it on dropout tv. Loved it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I'm sure made them look good, right?

[Brent Davey]

Well, I love the show. I love covering things I love. I don't think I'll cover this one.

[Caleb Hammer]

Don't think you'll cover financial on it. That's okay. Most press is negative press, but that's how that makes money, baby.

[Brent Davey]

Now check it out. Up. Oh, that's Vic. We found a really good still for the header image.

[Caleb Hammer]

Uhhuh. And do you have any confirmation anywhere that you're able to show me that you got paid for this? That you got paid the money you say you did? Cuz I want to take your word, but again, with some of the disingenuous things you were saying in this conversation.

[Brent Davey]

Prove it to. You don't have to.

[Caleb Hammer]

I'm asking if you can. Well, I'd like maybe you could just.

[Brent Davey]

Take my word for it.

[Caleb Hammer]

No, but you. Seeing how you're disingenuous about me, it makes it hard for me to believe and I need an extra burden level of proof. Crazy for hearing what you said.

[Brent Davey]

You don't believe I'm. You don't. You don't think, like, freelance writing is a thing.

[Caleb Hammer]

I know it's a thing, but I also know you.

[Brent Davey]

What? Whenever I lied to. To you.

[Caleb Hammer]

Go on, continue. Try to find it. I'm not going back and forth on this.

[Brent Davey]

Well, I've got the checks in my backpack.

[Caleb Hammer]

You said it's in your backpack. Is your backpack here?

[Brent Davey]

No, it's at home. But you can ask.

[Caleb Hammer]

You live in Austin again, asking Carson.

[Brent Davey]

Or Dan Freeman or Neil Pollock.

[Caleb Hammer]

You're doing the name thing. Who's the one? Name one. What's the first one you said? Ken.

[Brent Davey]

Ken Kirsten Owns CIS Media. Yeah. Key Ian. Key. E N. Key Ian. Ken Kirson. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

K E N. Are you saying.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. Neil Pollock is my former manager.

[Caleb Hammer]

He spoke, cursing.

[Brent Davey]

Let me see.

[Caleb Hammer]

Let me make sure.

[Brent Davey]

Here he is.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay.

[Brent Davey]

He owns C Reeds Media.

[Caleb Hammer]

Call him.

[Brent Davey]

I don't have his phone number. He owns it.

[Caleb Hammer]

Okay. So not lots of conversations back and forth with him then, I assume with the owner?

[Brent Davey]

No.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, who pays?

[Brent Davey]

You see, it reads media for.

[Caleb Hammer]

Who's the guy that you talk. That you talk to? Who's the guy that you talk to?

[Brent Davey]

Neil Pollock is my former editor. Dan Friedman is my new editor.

[Caleb Hammer]

Dan Friedman?

[Brent Davey]

Yes. He's the former editor of Forward magazine. Executive editor.

[Caleb Hammer]

And he is now the editor of.

[Brent Davey]

Book and film Globe. I feel like I'm like in a congressional hearing and it's just freelance writing.

[Caleb Hammer]

I. Believe it or not, I actually care about the income that's coming up, so we can keep you alive, but I need to believe that it's there since it wasn't in the two months that we had.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know where the.

[Caleb Hammer]

I see him as an author. I don't see him listed as anything else, but maybe he is. Okay. Yep. It's the former executive author. Okay, here we go. Very, very good. Very good.

[Brent Davey]

Glad it meets your approval.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, I just know he exists without a headshot on a website. Call him.

[Brent Davey]

Call who?

[Caleb Hammer]

Dan.

[Brent Davey]

Dan. Right now? Yeah. On Facebook Messenger.

[Caleb Hammer]

Sure. Yeah.

[Brent Davey]

Let's see.

[Caleb Hammer]

Does he know you by the name of Brent?

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Is that your real name?

[Brent Davey]

Brent? Yeah, Brent. Brent Davey. Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

It's never really known.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's.

[Caleb Hammer]

I don't know if it was an online thing or. May I.

[Brent Davey]

Well, he's not answering. I didn't tell him I was coming on today, but Neil might.

[Caleb Hammer]

Now, where do you communicate?

[Brent Davey]

I. I don't. I don't feel appropriate calling Neil right now. Neil just got a new job as the.

[Caleb Hammer]

And Dan. Where do you communicate with Dan?

[Brent Davey]

Facebook.

[Caleb Hammer]

Can I see? Yes. Here is anything that involves payment.

[Brent Davey]

Well, he's brand new. I didn't send him an invoice. I sent Neil an invoice. Here's Dan Friedman. Well, I guess you're recording this, so you.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, this doesn't have to be on camera. Okay.

[Brent Davey]

Crazy. It's just unprofessional. Okay, I'm sending pitches. I got one of them through. He's my new editor. I don't have a great relationship with him because I don't barely know him, but Neil is my former editor at the blog.

[Caleb Hammer]

Well, this goes back to the beginning of July, and he has sent one thing saying amazing to your, like, first message here.

[Brent Davey]

Let me see.

[Caleb Hammer]

He hasn't responded since then?

[Brent Davey]

No, he greenlit that review.

[Caleb Hammer]

Are you talking about the one thumbs up that he reacted to? One message in July?

[Brent Davey]

Oh, we went over to email. We went over to email. I sent him a pitch for a story about rehab, and it's music. Integrated rehab. Oh, I shouldn't talk too much about that. I'm giving away too many details. But that might be going in Rock and Roll Globe.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's something that exists somewhere that a couple people probably read. I don't know.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah, it's known in the critics community.

[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, good. So the critics see it, but no humans do it.

[Brent Davey]

I don't know what our readership numbers are like. I'm not the analytics guy. Sorry I don't have everything, but Brent.

[Caleb Hammer]

You give me everything in my heart. The thing is, buddy, this is the point where I make a budget. But in here, I saw some spending. We saw the Amazon. It was a little bull. I can't trust your see pay come in. How long? How many hours you put into Uber Eats a month? Give me a number that I won't be able to trust.

[Brent Davey]

30. I kind of cut back on it a little bit because the demand during the middle of the day completely dried up.

[Caleb Hammer]

Also, may I bring up the note that's just. This just hit my head. I'm sure this has already popped in other people's heads, but usually with people I work with, we aren't communicating on Facebook and Messenger as the source. So I don't really know how to make a budget here. And it's unfortunate because this honestly wasn't very productive. I'm glad to see where you're at and I'm very, very glad. I'm very glad to see that you got sober. That is a W. If there is a W. Okay. So seriously, well done on that, buddy. No, that's huge. That's huge. That is.

[Brent Davey]

I really appreciate it.

[Caleb Hammer]

I didn't know you were struggling with that. And if I did, I forgot. But I don't think. I don't. It was the long overdue that. But either way, yeah, not productive. Financial. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do with you financially. You don't seem to want to change financially. And you don't take any career things seriously in your resume you didn't take seriously. And you just don't take a lot of your life seriously. And that concerns me. So I want this. I want this. I just want to. I don't want pushback. I'm wrapping this up.

[Brent Davey]

Okay.

[Caleb Hammer]

I just want to let you know, from just a human to another human, I am concerned. I'm concerned. I hope you take it seriously. I want you to take the resume. We'll pay for someone to sit down with you, a resume expert and help you with that. But I am concerned that you'll never be able to pay bills and I don't know if your pressure ulcer turns into spawns off into two if like, who knows, You've had health problems, it sounds like, and you're only, believe it or not, young 40s. I'm concerned with what life looks like in your 60s and that deeply concerns me. And I want to prepare you, but unfortunately I don't think we're in that place.

[Brent Davey]

So I just want a budgeting thing. I think the question that I kind of wanted to ask you was more like. Like I don't know if you've ever gotten this before, but bankruptcy, when is that?

[Caleb Hammer]

I have gotten that before.

[Brent Davey]

What do you think?

[Caleb Hammer]

Bankruptcy is a fine tool. I mean, it's expensive to go through. It's a few thousand bucks. It's not completely stress free. In your situation it might be okay. I'm not horribly terrified of it though. You're in mostly collections anyway. I don't see people like coming after you.

[Brent Davey]

No.

[Caleb Hammer]

So it'll stay on your record as long as those are, if not more so. I don't think you necessarily need to. However, just like any debt consolidation or credit card transfer or personal loan or bankruptcy. If you do not change your behavior first, there is no point of doing it because you will end up in the same exact situation again. And there is nothing showing behavior change. So I would say you shouldn't now. Actually, no, never mind. I take that back. There was less bull sweating by far. There also just wasn't much money to do it and you didn't have the ability to put it on a credit.

[Brent Davey]

I think the issue is more the earnings.

[Caleb Hammer]

That's what I was trying to get to the bottom.

[Brent Davey]

Right.

[Caleb Hammer]

And that's why we need to take your career.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

Seriously, a real job.

[Brent Davey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caleb Hammer]

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[Brent Davey]

Can we do it? We can do it.

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[Caleb Hammer]

Oh, my gosh, that's today. You got hired.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

And you address me, Lindsay.

[Caleb Hammer]

And no one knew.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I didn't post online. I wasn't like, interviewing at Hammer Media. Like literally three people knew.

[Caleb Hammer]

Matt, are you hearing this?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Do you recall writing that email?

[Caleb Hammer]

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