Transcript

A (0:00)

Hey, how's it going? My name is Jeff. I am 20, about to be 21. I'm from the Houston area and this is financial audit.

B (0:07)

Oh, you're young. Okay. So what do you do for a living in Houston?

A (0:10)

I am a sleep technician. So like for sleep apnea, cpap, that kind of stuff. I'm the guy that hooks you up.

B (0:15)

Yeah, interesting. So you go to people's houses?

A (0:17)

No, so I'm out of a clinic. We stay there overnight. People come in and then we hook them up, sit back and watch them sleep all night, see if they got apneas.

B (0:24)

Okay. Okay. Well, that's cool. That's a good job. That's obviously helping a lot of people and a lot of people need that, so that's really good. What are you making doing that?

A (0:32)

So I just started doing it full time. So I haven't gotten like an actual full month of full time pay yet, but it should be right around. Yeah, yeah, like this month. But it should be right around like 38, 4000amonth? 3800 to 4000? Yeah.

B (0:46)

Oh, okay. 6. 39,000. Is that before or after taxes?

A (0:51)

That is before. So we don't get taxes taken out at all.

B (0:54)

Oh, is the contractor work?

A (0:56)

I think technically, yeah.

B (0:57)

Oh, okay. So have you been paid yet? Yeah, of that pay, have you set 30% aside for taxes? Why not?

A (1:06)

So I've been working here for about four months. Three. Four months. And for the first three months I was working another job. I was only doing that part time. So I was working that other job. It was at an IT place. I was only working maybe like 10, 15 hours a week there, but I was trying to make that my full time job. So while I was working there, I was barely making enough to support rent and food and all that stuff. So I didn't have nearly enough to also decide 30 years ago. Not the IT place. No, that was, that was an actual.

B (1:35)

Okay, so you were getting. You didn't need a set aside money because.

A (1:38)

Not for that job. Right, but I was still making way more money with the, the sleep tech job. I was making like 1600amonth, just working two nights a week. And with the IT place I was making maybe like.

Summary

Podcast Summary: Financial Audit – “He’s Single-Handedly Throwing Away Their Future”

Host: Caleb Hammer
Guest: Jeff (age 20, Houston area)
Release Date: October 10, 2023
Podcast: Financial Audit

Overview

This episode features Jeff, a 20-year-old sleep technician from Houston, who is struggling with significant personal debt and patterns of financial self-sabotage. Caleb Hammer walks Jeff through a hard-hitting financial intervention, highlighting how Jeff’s choices are jeopardizing his own future and that of his long-time girlfriend, who joins the conversation to offer her perspective. The episode’s central theme is personal responsibility, behavioral change, and the impact financial habits have on relationships and future potential.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction and Background

[00:00-01:06]
- Jeff introduces himself as a 20-year-old sleep technician in Houston, making $3,800-$4,000/month pre-tax as a 1099 contractor (taxes not withheld).
- He admits he has not set aside money for taxes yet, despite switching to full-time status.
- Host Alarm: Caleb is immediately concerned about an impending tax problem.

2. Financial Situation and Habits

[01:35-05:23]
- Jeff rates his financial status as “probably zero out of ten.”
- Debt Breakdown:
  - $965 Discover card (over limit, frequent fees)
  - $26,000 car loan (2019 Kia Optima)
  - Multiple credit cards (Apple Card, Mercury Card)
  - Synchrony Discount Tire card ($915)
  - Debts to individuals: girlfriend, mother, stepdad (insurance arrears)
- Spending Patterns:
  - Large outflows for fast food, weed, vapes, and unnecessary purchases via DoorDash and subscriptions.
  - Often rationalizes using credit to meet basic needs but spends on non-essentials.
Memorable Exchange:
- Jeff: “I need to get food. I haven’t been going to the grocery store.”
- Caleb [04:36]: “That's a good question. Yeah, give me a good answer... Why'd you go and swipe that damn card?”
- Jeff: “I really don’t got one, you know.”

3. Origin of Debt & Emotional Impact

[05:23-10:19]
- Jeff’s debts began after moving out with an unreliable roommate; lost his job, supported himself and roommate with credit.
- Jeff admits he gave up on managing debt as balances grew:
  - Jeff [09:18]: “It's just easier to not care… I know it’s not an excuse, but that is the explanation.”
- Interest & Fees:
  - 32.24% APR on a Mercury card (“I haven’t seen a rate like that. That’s crazy.” – Caleb [09:51])
  - Cash advances to pay rent—spiraling high interest.

4. Relationship Impact

[10:44-12:53 & 23:05-27:07]
- Jeff’s girlfriend of nearly 5 years joins in—she’s supportive yet firm:
  - She’s surprised by the scale of his financial problems (“I knew he spent more than he should, but to this extent, no. My word – yeah, obviously.” [23:05])
  - She won’t consider joint finances or marriage until he is stable.
  - She’s bothered by his spending on weed and lack of self-control.
- Weed Spending:
  - Jeff spends $300-$400/month on weed (“Is this a joint operation?” – Caleb; Jeff: “No, it’s me.” [18:13])
Addiction and Mental Health:
- Jeff admits to struggles with vaping and weed, using substances as self-medication for anxiety and to quiet his thoughts, fueling a cycle of avoidance and spending.

5. Hard Financial Analysis

[27:46-30:00]
- Spending Breakdown:
  - Eating out: ~20% of all spending
  - Actual necessary food: only 6.3%
  - Debt payments: only 6.5%
  - Fast food and weed spending prioritized over long-term stability
- Caleb calls Jeff’s behavior “selfish,” especially regarding his girlfriend’s future.
Budgeting & Plan Forward:
- Jeff is moving back in with his mom to eliminate rent.
- Caleb devises a strict budget:
  - Set aside ~$1,170/month for taxes
  - Cut all subscriptions, weed, vapes, and eating out
  - Minimums on all debts; prioritize paying off high-interest cards
  - Tackle personal debts after credit cards/car
  - Full process could take 2 years, 9 months of discipline—no fun spending
- Caleb’s warning [41:45]:
  - “Just be honest. Two years, nine months. Do you think the discipline you have and the lack of it that you’ve shown can be maintained?”
  - Suggests therapy for addiction and accountability check-ins

6. Emotional and Motivational Stakes

[41:45-45:55]
- Jeff acknowledges the challenge. He claims he’ll stick to a plan if given structure, citing prior periods of good discipline.
- Caleb is skeptical, referencing patterns of “spiraling” and warning about the risk of stagnation if Jeff falls off the plan.

7. Work & Earning Potential

[46:23-48:54]
- Caleb strongly recommends Jeff pick up extra work—an additional part-time job or more shifts could cut his debt paydown by a year or more.
Jeff’s Response:
- Open to more work, recalls former warehouse stints and willingness to grind.

8. Debt Consolidation & Alternatives

[49:14-50:07]
- Jeff inquires about consolidation loans; Caleb advises against, fearing Jeff’s lack of control could lead to racking up new debts.
Quote:
- “You’ve gone over the credit limits, which is showing me you just have no control... Some people can do what you’re talking about, but that’s very risky.” – Caleb [50:07]

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

“Why are you putting more money on it?”
Caleb confronting Jeff’s logic [04:25]
“For a very long time, we thought there was no addiction possible when it came to it [weed], but these last five years, a lot of studies have shown there can be addictive tendencies…”
Caleb, addressing the taboo and seriousness of weed spending [24:51]
“Being together for five years screams: there’s a potential future. How worried are you?”
Caleb to Jeff’s girlfriend, eliciting her honest assessment of his problem [23:05]
“You are choosing 20%... going to eating out and DoorDash. That is selfish. Selfish.”
Caleb, laying out the real impact of Jeff’s choices [29:59]
“It’s going to take two years, nine months until you can move out and have fun money again. Two years, nine months… that is a long time.”
Caleb, setting expectations for recovery timeline [40:53]

Timestamps for Key Segments

00:00 – 01:06: Jeff’s introduction and job overview
01:06 – 02:58: Taxes, initial financial discipline questions
04:00 – 10:00: Deep dive into credit card behaviors, debt origin
18:00 – 22:00: Substance use spending, admissions of addiction, and impact on finances
23:05 – 26:08: Girlfriend’s perspective on discovery of debt, plans for their future
27:46 – 30:00: Spending analysis—Caleb calls out selfishness and lack of discipline
35:25 – 40:53: Debt payoff plan laid out: timelines, priorities, sacrifices
41:45 – 45:55: Discussion of discipline, handling setbacks, and honesty about addiction
46:23 – 48:54: Earning potential, side hustle challenge
49:14 – 50:28: Consolidation loans and final warnings

Conclusion: Next Steps & Final Thoughts

Jeff is set on a two-plus-year journey to dig out of debt, requiring absolute discipline, the cutting of all non-essentials (including weed and eating out), and accountability to his girlfriend and family.
Caleb’s Final Financial Score: 0.5/10, citing debt to individuals, lack of emergency fund, little-to-no retirement savings.
Caleb encourages a follow-up in 6–7 months to see if Jeff can maintain progress.

The episode’s candid, tough-love approach offers insight into the real challenges of debt, the emotional toll it takes, and what it truly means to turn your financial future around—with your own and others’ futures in the balance.