🔥 What if the path to finding better isn’t about doing more… but doing less?

In this episode of the Finding Better Podcast, John Suzuki sits down with Nell Debevoise, a subtraction strategist who helps high achievers rethink success by removing what quietly drains their energy.

In a world obsessed with productivity, hustle, and adding more habits, Nell introduces a powerful alternative: systematic subtraction — the intentional process of letting go of what no longer serves you so you can reclaim clarity, alignment, and sustainable success.

Drawing from her personal experiences with burnout, a life-changing car accident, and her work coaching leaders alongside horses, Nell shares why the most capable and responsible people are often the most depleted — and how to break that cycle.

This conversation will challenge the idea that success always requires more effort and offer a refreshing new perspective: sometimes the best way forward is by removing what’s holding you back.

Inside this conversation, you’ll learn:

1. Why high achievers are often the most burned out
2. The concept of systematic subtraction and how it works
3. The difference between balance and true alignment in life and leadership
4. How constant productivity pressure leads to diminishing returns
5. What horses can teach us about presence and energy management
6. Why stopping to ask “How is this really going?” can change everything
7. The simple “Stop, Drop, Roll” method for preventing burnout

💡 Key Takeaways:

1. Success isn’t always additive — sometimes progress requires subtraction.
2. Burnout often comes from responsibility and capability, not weakness.
3. Alignment across work, personal life, and purpose matters more than balance.
4. Constant productivity pressure leads to diminishing returns.
5. Real clarity often comes from pausing and removing what drains you.

Connect with Nell Debevoise:
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nell3d/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nelldd
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Leadin3D

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