Carlos (Delivery Driver) (4:13)

We're.

Narrator/Host (4:13)

We're not here to say they were bringing out all this evidence or anything like that. But, you know, anyone can see if you're following this case. There's been repeated returns to Annie Guthrie's neighborhood, which was not the origin of this crime. So since this doorbell camera footage has been released from Nancy guthrie's front door, I mean, again, I just think this is a treasure chest of information, because there was so much video, so much movement, nonchalantness, really, from this person at the doorbell camera, where you can pick up on so many things. Well, since that footage went out from the FBI, Pima County Sheriff said they received 4,000 tips since that footage went out. And that was just midday today. Probably gone up since then. So on Tuesday night, they got a tip about someone in Rio rico, arizona, south of Tucson, 12 miles from the mexico border. This guy was a person that was detained for questioning Tuesday night that we told you about. He was later released, and his name's Carlos. And he spoke to media after he was released from questioning.

Lyndon Blake (5:29)

Are you ever up in tucson?

Carlos (Delivery Driver) (5:30)

Yeah, I work in tucson.

Narrator/Host (5:31)

What do you do, Gls?

Carlos (Delivery Driver) (5:32)

Deliver packages.

Narrator/Host (5:33)

Okay.

Lyndon Blake (5:34)

Do you think you might have delivered a package to Nancy guthrie's house?

Narrator/Host (5:36)

I don't know. Might have been a possibility.

Christopher Flanagan (5:38)

I don't know.

Narrator/Host (5:39)

And he kept saying, carlos is who I'm talking about. That investigators said that his eyes looked like the person in the doorbell camera video. You know, you have the ski mask on. You can see the person's eyes. But FBI did tell FOX that Carlos wasn't just pinpointed solely off this new surveillance footage that was released, that he was being questioned off other things. But again, right now, Carlos was released, not involved. So we've gotta turn back to the guy in this doorbell cam video. That is just fascinating. And again, that's why it's just. It keeps being analyzed over and over. Cause there's so much stuff you can take from it. We know that there's this backpack, an Ozark trail backpack, you know what I'm talking about? They sell it at Walmart, and. And there's some on Walmart's website with the same reflective straps that you see in the doorbell camera video. So this is what people are looking at right now. FBI, everyone, investigators, they're seeing, where can we find this backpack that looks similar to the video? Where can we find this gun that's in the video? Where can we find these shoes that's in the video. And you start going and pulling purchase history and just seeing who has bought these items in and around the Tucson area. And the gloves, that's one of the very visible things in that video that you can be like, who has gloves that look like this? And that's why it's such a big deal that investigators were able to find that black glove on the side of the road.

Carlos (Delivery Driver) (7:15)

He said, of course, this would be a very, very big break. That said, that said, the idea that they've only found one glove, it's pretty far from the scene. And the fact that somebody who was very clearly extremely cautious, he was robed up foot to head to make sure. In fact, I think he had two hoods on just to make sure he didn't leave any DNA. He throws one glove out the window as he leaves the scene. It's a little bit much to believe at this point, but perps do crazy things that are inexplicable. And this would be a big, big break. And I'm sure it is related to that search.

Narrator/Host (7:51)

I want to mention this. This is fascinating to me. We have this video, and I'm just gonna give him credit. It's very smart. It's Megyn Kelly's producer. He went and kind of reenacted taking off a nest cam and realized after he disconnected the nest cam from the bracket, it was still recording. So there's a chance that there's more video after the doorbell camera was disconnected. I stand firm. I think eventually we're going to get more video released by the FBI if this person is not identified soon based off this video, we know there was multiple cameras. A lot of people, a lot of people that have been covering crime for years though, still do not think what we're looking at here, even with the ransom notes that have never demanded proof of life, is an actual kidnapping. So I want to make this clear. Cause even I. I mean, you. We intertwine kidnapping, abduction, like tomato, tomahto, but they're different things. A kidnapping is. You're taking the person and you're. You're taking that person with a goal of getting something else. In an abduction, the person is the prize, so to speak. But experts are saying that have done this for decades, are saying this is not an actual kidnapping. And Christopher Flanagan, who we talked to, former head of NYPD Financial Crimes Task Force, he worked in Manhattan, he worked in New York for such a long time. And he told us kidnappings are very hard to pull off. They are rare. And random kidnappings, even more rare.

Christopher Flanagan (9:31)

You know, when I was doing kidnappings with the Major Case Squad, you know, it was before bitcoin. So if you. If you know, it kind of made things easier. Kidnappings, first of all, are so like a stranger kidnapping is so rare in this country. More common in south and Central America. But like, we had a very serious kidnapping where our victim was held for 32 days back in 2013. But in New York City, the last kidnapping, where it was like a stranger kidnapping kind of off the street, had happened in 1993. So from 1993 to 2013, in a city of 8 million people, we had no kidnappings. Like this one seems to be like a stranger kidnapping of like a non criminal victim.

Narrator/Host (10:24)

So you have this kidnapping and kidnapping for ransom, but these ransom notes just. There's no proof of life. And they just keep getting bizarre. Even today, TMZ getting this other email, not from the alleged kidnapper, but from someone that's saying, hey, pay me a single bitcoin, which is about $66,000 right now. You know, it fluctuates, which is close, though, to the reward amount for any information on Nancy Guthrie at 50,000. Give me this single bitcoin and I'll tell you where the kidnapper is. I mean, it's just bizarre. It just keeps getting weirder. Once again, TMZ who got this note, said that the bitcoin address in this new note was legit. So we have these bitcoin addresses that are legit, but again, no proof of life and no communication that we know of from the family with anyone who is sending these notes. There's been activity that we reported in the bitcoin accounts. And there's been some amounts revealed, some amounts not revealed. And Christopher Flanagan gave us some more insight on that. After working for decades in financial crime.

Christopher Flanagan (11:48)

When I was in financial crimes, we actually set up like a bitcoin unit. And bitcoin is very trackable. What's more difficult with bitcoin is de anonymizing it. Tracking bitcoin from one wallet to another, seeing where it went, that's all easily, somewhat easily done. The weakness for staying anonymous using bitcoin is transferring it to essentially monetizing it to get it out of the bitcoin world and into cash, essentially.

Narrator/Host (12:20)

So Harvey Levin, the founder of tmz who saw the new note Wednesday, was really peppered with questions about the activity of the original bitcoin account in the first ransom notes. And he really stuck to his guns and didn't reveal anything. And when you listen to what he says, I mean, it's almost like there's nothing you can say that'll make him reveal this because he truly believes that this information is so crucial to the investigation.

Lyndon Blake (12:50)

I have never said an amount and there is a reason I haven't said an amount and I am going to stick to that regardless of what anybody else has said. There are reasons behind why I'm saying that I gave my word on something and I don't want to impede this in any way. And I'm going to stick to what I said, which is simply that there was activity. And I'm not going to say more about what the activity is.

Christopher Flanagan (13:18)

I respect that.

Narrator/Host (13:19)

This is just such a bizarre crime. Another just mysterious wrinkle in this entire case. And because of the lack of proof of life and just the lack of legitimacy that's been able to be confirmed around these ransom notes leads a lot of experts to believe that whatever happened to Nancy Guthrie was not an actual kidnapping. And something we're gonna continue to look into are these rare kidnappings of old people. I mean, I can think of right now Cal Ripken, his mom back in 2012, 74 years old, she was actually kidnapped. It was bizarre. But we'll get into that later. Back to the search of Nancy Guthrie. Still active scene right now on the ground around Nancy Guthrie's home, looking for anything of value in the search for this 84 year old grandma. I'll leave you again with the tip line. This is for any tips. This goes to the FBI. It is 1-800-call-FBI. I still feel that we're gonna find whoever the person is in this doorbell cam footage soon. I'm Lyndon Blake, and this is Finding Nancy Guthrie. A Daily Wire true crime investigation.