B (3:20)

My brother, you know, he spent his career in the military and worked in intelligence. He saw very clearly right away what this was. And he said, I think she's been kidnapped for ransom.

C (3:37)

There wasn't much details on why he specifically believed that, but Savannah said they could all tell that something was wrong. The back door was propped open. That's new information. At first they thought maybe Nancy had some type of medical episode. Her pacemaker, something happened, alerted EMT and the door was propped open from where they took her out on the stretcher. But then they saw the camera that was ripped off their front porch. They saw the blood droplets on the front porch leading out into the driveway and they knew something was wrong. Specifically because Nancy wasn't in the physical shape to wander off and go for a hike. Savannah said some days she couldn't even walk to her mailbox. Only on a good day could she walk to the end of her circle graveled driveway and get her mail. They knew then she was taken. So back to that propped open door. Things I've been thinking about all day was if Nancy left her door propped open often, it's nice weather there in Arizona. Did she leave it propped open because she felt safe and wanted some fresh air in? Did someone that was casing the house earlier in January figure that out? So they knew that was the easiest way to get to her. I don't know, just things I've been thinking about. And now we know from Savannah. She was taken from her bed. Savannah said it multiple times in the dead of the night from her bed. She even said she was taken in her pajamas with no shoes on. And Savannah, you just see the pain on her face as she's having to imagine her beloved 84 year old mother be startled, woken up by some intruder who we now know had mask on, had a gun, had a full backpack while she was just peacefully sleeping and then took her. Of course now Savannah is having this guilt that this is her fault because of her status and, and the money she makes, that somehow the kidnapper targeted her mother because of who she is. With her role at the Today show. She said she first asked her brother Cameron, do you think it was me? Am I the reason? And he was like, yeah, I mean, maybe. People know you have a lot of money. People know Savannah is successful, and you could just tell. This is something that haunts Savannah every hour of the day. She apologized to basically everyone in her family. Her kids, her nephew, her sister, her in laws. Just telling them if she's the reason why her mother was taken, their mother was taken, that she is so sorry.

B (6:32)

I don't know. Yeah. That it's because she's my mom. And somebody thought, oh, that girl, that lady has money. We can get, make a quick buck. I mean, that would make sense. But we don't know. But yeah, that's probably. Which is too much to bear, to think that I brought this to her bedside, that it's because of me.

C (7:08)

Savannah told Hoda she wakes up every night during the night in just terror over what happened to her mom. And while Savannah is so thankful, she said to the technology companies and the FBI for being able to get that footage off the doorbell camera and to get it out in the public, it doesn't make it any easier envisioning the armed masked man at her mom's house that night. She says that that video, it's in her mind and it just is terrifying. Every time she thinks about it, it's just totally terrifying.

B (7:52)

And I can't imagine that that is who she saw standing over her bed. I can't. It's too much.

A (8:03)

Yeah.

C (8:04)

On the same token, Savannah made it clear she is glad that people saw who came to her mother's door because up until that point, and the rumors are still out there, but they're not as loud as they were at the beginning of the investigation. There was a lot of speculation, a lot of veteran journalists saying that their sources told them that it was Savannah's brother in law, Tommaso Cione, who was the lead suspect in the case, the prime suspect in the case. Now you clear the family first. We've discussed this plenty of times in this podcast, but putting that out there put a dark cloud over Annie and Tommaso. Savannah calls Tommaso Tommy, and she just said that added pain upon pain that their family was having to endure the loss of their mother, the search, the agony, the grief. And on top of that, they were having to deal with this speculation. And Savannah just said that that was never the case, that her family is a unit. And she didn't say this, but you can tell she wants the rumors to stop.

B (9:18)

And it piles pain upon pain. There are no words I don't understand. I'll never understand. And no one took better care of my mom than my sister and brother in law and no one protected my mom more than my brother. And we love her and she is our shining light. She's our matriarch. She's all we have.

C (9:44)

You know, one of the things that a lot of us thought about was why was an 84 year old that could barely walk still living in this ginormous home in the Catalina foothills. And this is the same home that Savannah grew up in since she was 4. And in the interview today with Hoda, she really, really described the house as a home and why it meant so much to them. She talked about it being the home that she came to on a Friday night when she was 16 and there her sister Annie and Nancy were sitting on the couch crying. And that's when they told Savannah that her father died and her dad was only 49 years old when he passed. And she said that Nancy being in that home, Savannah said made her mom feel close to her dad. And when you think about it that way, and I'm gonna let Savannah explain it, but it just takes the judgment after why Nancy would want to be there. It just makes your heart break for this entire family that can't look at that house the same way again.

B (11:01)

It's the house where all of our

A (11:03)

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B (11:35)

good and bad. So it's hallowed ground. My mom loved and treasured that house. In good years and lean years they were able to hold onto that house. That's my mom's safe haven. It's really hard.

C (12:00)

Savannah is in the media. She's a lawyer. She knows how criminal investigations work, missing persons investigations work. And she acknowledged the work they're doing down in Pima county between Pima county sheriff and the FBI. And she said that she knows the investigators are working tirelessly, but at the same time, she says the family wants answers, and they won't have peace until they have those.

B (12:25)

And someone can do the right thing, and it is never too late to do the right thing, and our hearts are focused on that.

C (12:36)

And Savannah, once again in this interview, reminding the public, if you know something, to call that number. If something seems off the last couple of months with someone in your life, to call that FBI tip line. They just want to bring their mother home. And people ask me every day, do you think Nancy's dead? Well, I think the family, and especially since Savannah has gone back to New York, they have had to accept that, yeah, Nancy's probably gone. Savannah mentioned that in this interview, saying that she's leaned on her faith. She's prayed day in and day out, and there's been only a couple times in her life where she's heard directly from God. And during this search for her mom is one of them.

B (13:25)

The.

C (13:25)

And I'm going to let you hear what she said.

B (13:28)

I said to myself, I can handle anything. God, I can handle anything. I just can't handle not knowing. We can't handle not knowing. Yeah, I have to know. And I heard a voice, and it said, you do know where she. She is. She's with me. She's with me.

C (13:58)

There have been a few updates since we last spoke about the case. Nancy Grace interviewed this neighbor that had dogs both nights, January 11, and then January 31 into February 1, the morning Nancy was taken, barking out of character, looking toward Nancy's house. Just the homeowner said, they don't do this. And it was just odd. You know, dogs can pick up on so much more than we can. The same neighbor told Nancy that that vacant home that we've been talking about, the home where the people moved out right around Nancy's disappearance, that. That was close to Nancy's home. So that leads to speculation. Was this used as, like, the post, like the command post for the people that did this to Nancy? Did they not have to drive because they could walk down the street? We don't know. But these are things that are continuing to be asked and that investigators are continuing to look into as well as, of course, the digital evidence and that DNA evidence that's still out there. Nanos is the one that said, hey, they're still looking into digital evidence. That DNA evidence did this special with a local station in Tucson last weekend where he just straight up said he has no regrets for any missteps in this investigation. Looking back at this past month in the investigation, did it go the way you wanted it to go?

A (15:21)

Yes, absolutely. Here's the thing. I think somebody said, well, sheriff, did you regret this? Look, I have no regrets about my team and their efforts. I don't regret we let the crime scene go too soon or any of that. That's just.

C (15:36)

I'm sure we'll hear more from Savannah as time goes on and she feels more comfortable sharing more and sharing what she can share with us. But I just have to give kudos to her. It was a tough interview. I cannot imagine what it must be like trying to get the strength to speak about your mother who's missing and that, you know, was taken violently. But you know you have to because you have to keep the investigation alive. You have to keep people still looking for Nancy, still looking for the person in the mask. So just hats off to Savannah. She handled this interview with such grace. I'll leave you again with the FBI number reward over a million dollars. That number is 1-800- call FBI. I'm Lyndon Blake and this is finding Nancy Guthrie. A special investigation on that's so criminal.

D (16:37)

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