C (6:33)

Pleasure.

B (6:33)

Okay, based on what we know, what kind of crime do you think took place?

C (6:37)

I'm not one that's buying into that. This was a burglary gone wrong. You know, just looking at the backpack that the individual was wearing, it looked like it was full of something. Now, unless those are burglary tools, that, that would, I guess that would fill it up. But if, if someone's coming there with the intent to take someone hostage, you're going to have, you know, duct tape, you know, masks, something in there, you know, a lot of supplies and things that you would need. So I, unless I get some other information, I'm going to go with this. Likely this person was coming in to do what. What happened? The neighborhood is not prone to significant criminal activity, that a lot of the people in that neighborhood often leave their doors unlocked. I also look at, I use Occam's razor. What's the most logical thing it usually ends up being? The answer is that Ms. Guthrie probably left out of that front door, probably left the front door unlocked, just shut, got into the Uber and when she was brought back, the son in law probably dropped her off in the garage and she didn't even think to go back and lock the door at night before she went to bed. So probably just unlocked the door and went in. That's the likely thing that happened. Now to the gloves. I don't want to get the family's hopes up on this, but I don't want to give them false hope. But I also want to say that this is a way to. It definitely is a movement forward in the investigation to find some type of evidence to compare. So when we're talking DNA evidence, the FBI has the, the premier, they're, they're the top in conducting analysis, examination, and with DNA evidence and My concern is having it sent to a lab that they have to wait on that. That's a delay for the family, number one. Number two is if the FBI does a secondary test on it, what do we do if we get differing, any variations in the results of the test? A good defense attorney, if you've got any variation between testing done by a private lab and a testing done by the FBI lab, a good defense attorney is going to get that thrown out, even if it identifies a suspect. So that is a concern that I would want to keep in the back of my mind right now. I'm not sure why the decision was made to send it down to the lab in Florida. The FBI lab was available. You could send it right there. We wouldn't be waiting 24 hours for this validation of the results from the Florida lab before the FBI takes their turn at it.

B (9:05)

So if the glove went to Quantico, there'd be a faster result. And then is there another delay potentially? If this profile is put in CODIS and it turns up nothing, then the FBI has to go down the genealogy trail.

C (9:18)

That would be something that they would do. That was when I, when I first learned of 23andMe and these genealogies services that are provided out there. You know, you're providing your DNA and then once you have that information into a database, all the FBI needs is a court order to get access to it. And again, that opens up other leads. You still have to follow it up with investigative steps of going and conducting interviews, of reviewing any available data to prepare for that interview. So it, there's a lot of steps in between there. I don't want people to think that just because we get a hit that this is the person. The only thing we can say for sure is if the DNA that was found in the house, and we don't know if that's the DNA of the suspect, we just know it's an unknown DNA. If it's compared to the DNA from this glove, that gives us another avenue to start looking further. Like, okay, this likely was the glove that was worn when this person entered the house. This is likely the DNA. Hopefully we get a hit with a name on it that this individual, especially if they're doing something like this, like going into this house to take a person out of it. They've likely been involved in some type of illegal activity before, which may give us an opportunity to have collection of evidence such as fingerprints, DNA, things like that. Often these cases get broken open from something very small that balloons out. So let's say we get a hit on the DNA and it turns out to be a person that has a long criminal history of activity in that area. Now you're going to. You're going to see a massive move of investigators going out to conduct interviews, to go to locations, known locations that this individual may have been. You're going to see things ramp up really, really fast. Right now, I think that the biggest issue that we have, and I hate to say this, it's a leadership issue at this crime scene. I don't. I, I know that from my friends on the ground there, that the working relationship between the, the street agents, the FBI agents that are working this case and some of the, the middle executives and the people, the investigators, the officers and stuff with the sheriff's department, police department, they're doing really, really well. The problem we have right now is there appears to be some type of leadership issue with who's making the decisions on where things are going to go. I know if I'm that sheriff and I've got the full resources of the FBI, I'm going to take use of those resources of the FBI. It's really going to speed things up.

B (11:57)

I know people have been frustrated with these narratives coming out. One thing's being said. The sheriff says that's not the case. The FBI says that's not the case. And one thing that Hinkle and I agreed on is if there were press conferences, if there were media briefings where the people running this investigation would say what is happening, and we're not saying reveal the secrets of what's going on, anything that would harm the investigation, but simply provide more clarity on the matter. There wouldn't be all these rumors flying around. Hinkle said it best. He thinks there should be a daily press conference. And it doesn't even have to be Sheriff Nanos. It could be a pio just someone saying, okay, today, this is what we can confirm and move on. So day 16. Still no signs of Nancy Guthrie. The tip line for this one, 800, call FBI. A lot of leads out there. Hopefully tomorrow we'll have some answers on this DNA and a better direction of where the DNA could lead us to find Nancy. I'm Lyndon Blake, and this is Finding Nancy Guthrie. A Daily Wire True Crime investigation.