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You know what's crazy? There's actually bread, pastries, even noodles out there that you can enjoy and you don't have that guilt trip of eating junk food. And they're honestly not that bad for you. I'm actually traveling right now, but I have a hero bread box waiting for me back in Nashville, and I am genuinely looking forward to getting home and trying everything from their white bread to their everything bagels. Herobred makes products that look delicious while focusing on high quality ingredients, including prebiotic fibers that are good for your gut. Why do you think it's so important to go with your gut? Your gut has to be healthy. Herobred is a breath of fresh air. Their products contain zero grams of sugar and are sweetened with alternatives to traditional sugar. One thing that actually really caught my attention is their seeded bread. It has just 60 calories per serving compared to other brands that have around 110 calories per serving. If you're like me and have to be mindful of nuts, I'm allergic to quite a few. Herobred also offers products like their white bread, spinach and herb tortillas and croissants without nuts. And they don't stop at just bread. They have pasta too. So I can already tell you one of the first things I'm making when I get home is penne al arrabbiata. And if you've got a little sweet tooth, Herobread has options there as well, including treats like their pain au chocolate. If you're looking for a smarter way to enjoy bread, pastries and pasta without sacrificing the taste, join me on this better bread journey. I'll keep you posted on what I like after I open my box. Herobred is offering 10% off your order, so go to Hero Co and use code dwcrime at checkout. That's dwcrimehero Co. You know what's crazy? There's actually bread, pastries, even noodles out there that you can enjoy and you don't have that guilt trip of eating junk food. And they're honestly not that bad for you. I'm actually traveling right now, but I have a hero bread box waiting for me back in Nashville, and I am genuinely looking forward to getting home and trying everything from their white bread to their everything bagels. Herobred makes products that look delicious while focusing on high quality ingredients, including prebiotic fibers that are good for your gut. Why do you think it's so important to go with your gut? Your gut has to be healthy. Herobred is a breath of fresh air. Their products contain 0 grams of sugar and are sweetened with alternatives to traditional sugar. One thing that actually really caught my attention is their seeded bread. It has just 60 calories per serving compared to other brands that have around 110 calories per serving. If you're like me and have to be mindful of nuts, I'm allergic to quite a few. Herobred also offers products like their white bread, spinach and herb tortillas and croissants without nuts. And they don't stop at just bread. They have pasta too. So I can already tell you one of the first things I'm making when I get home is penne al arrabbiata. And if you've got a little sweet tooth, Herobread has options there as well, including treats like their pain au choco latte. If you're looking for a smarter way to enjoy bread, pastries and pasta without sacrificing the taste, join me on this Better Bread journey. I'll keep you posted on what I like after I open my box. Herobred is offering 10% off your order, so go to Hero Co and use code DWCRIME at checkout. That's d w crimehero.co
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that's so criminal.
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Erica Kirk is about to sit in a courtroom and face her husband's accused killer for the first time.
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A preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson, the man suspected of killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk, will be open to reporters and
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members of the public. She'll be there alongside Charlie Kirk's parents when the preliminary hearing opens in Utah next week. So what actually happens at a preliminary hearing when the whole country is watching? And what evidence will prosecutors put in front of the judge to prove probable cause?
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The fact that we all are going to be able to see this evidence. This is important. The judge clearly thinks that it's already out there. This is such a huge story. A lot of people are paying attention to.
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I'm Lyndon Blake and you're listening to that's so Criminal.
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That's so Criminal.
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Tyler Robinson is accused of killing Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk on September 10, 2025. This happened at a TPSA event on the campus of Utah Valley University. Tyler Robinson is charged with aggravated murder along with additional charges. Now, for the first time, Erica Kirk will be in the courtroom as the prosecution lays out its evidence against the 23 year old. A source familiar with the situation tells the Daily Wire, quote, the world is going to see what the state has.
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Maybe we're going to see More text messages, maybe. We're going to see very specific ballistic information.
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Erica is going to be there with Charlie's parents, Kathy and Rob, and I'm told they're going to be there as a, quote, unified support system. Judge Tony Graff will hear the evidence, and he's going to decide whether there's enough of that evidence to send this case to trial. It's also been reported that prosecutors plan to play a recorded statement from Lance Twiggs, Robinson's roommate, and by Robinson's own description, his lover. Here's what you need to understand going into next week. The biggest thing. A preliminary hearing is not a trial. There's no jury. The state isn't proving innocence or guilt. The hearing exists for one reason, to let a judge decide if there's probable cause to send Tyler Robinson to trial for Charlie Kirk's murder. In the federal system, that step happens behind closed doors through a grand jury indictment. But Utah doesn't use that process. They use a hearing system, which means the public gets to see the evidence laid out in real time. Here's how it'll run. The state calls witnesses, the defense cross examines. Then the defense gets its turn, and the state cross examines them. Judge Graff hears the arguments from both sides, and then he rules on probable cause. Some people sometimes call this a mini trial, but there are real differences. For example, this. Sometimes the state isn't required to present all of its evidence and the defense isn't required to present its case at all. And you won't hear objections to hearsay because hearsay is allowed here. That means a witness can say he told me or I read this, and no one can object. There's another key difference, and this one matters. The judge is required to view the evidence through the lens most favorable to the state. That's the standard for this kind of hearing, full stop. So say we're in the courtroom and there's some sort of tie, for example, between the evidence. The favorability of the decision of the judge goes to the state during a preliminary hearing every time. Victims have a legal right to be present at proceedings like this one. So that's why Erica Kirk and Charlie's parents will be in that courtroom, and they plan to stay there the entire week. And it's not going to be easy. Prosecutors may present photos from that graphic scene at UVU, along with other disturbing evidence. The family in this case has the right to step out before anything graphic is shown. Erica and the Kirks won't be doing media availability during the hearing. They won't be giving statements to reporters in the hallway. Instead, the family will release one joint statement before the hearing begins.
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That's so criminal.
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Coming up, why this hearing almost didn't happen next week at all. What's actually allowed inside the courtroom and how you can watch it unfold live. The preliminary hearing was originally scheduled for May. Then it got delayed and the July 6th start date wasn't chosen by Erica or anyone on her team. Judge Graff was the one that set the date, and this happens to fall in between a packed stretch on the TPUSA calendar. Erica is the CEO of Turning Point now, so she'll be in Washington, D.C. for events both before and after the hearing. After it wraps, she's scheduled to speak at a TPSA leadership summit on the 12th, where she'll address students, and she's going to make sure they have the space to grieve together as a community. There's still a chance. The timeline shifts again. Robinson is appealing multiple rulings, including Judge Graf's decision to allow media cameras inside the courtroom. If that appeal gains traction, the hearing itself could be postponed. If you want to see this for yourself, you'll have options. There's 13 seats reserved for the media inside the jury box, assigned on a rotating basis determined by the court. Then there's 30 additional seats that are open to the public, and the courthouse opens at 8am for anyone planning to line up. No electronic devices are allowed inside the courthouse at all. No phones, no laptops, nothing. But the hearing will stream live on the Web and on X. And there'll be a photographer who will be capturing both still images and video for the outside world to see. So here's where things stand starting Monday. The preliminary hearing will determine whether Tyler Robinson stands trial for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Erica Kirk and Charlie's parents will be in the courtroom. The evidence will be public, and a judge, not a jury, will decide what happens next. Join our continuing coverage of the preliminary hearing on the Daily Wire starting Tuesday. I'm Lyndon Blake, and you've been listening to that's so Criminal.
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That's so Criminal.