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and they say, well, we feel the only appropriate remedy is to remove the death penalty from the table.
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Lyndon Blake
Tyler Robinson's defense just took a hit ahead of next month's preliminary hearing. Lance TWIGGS the man Robinson was in contact with the day of the shooting, won't be taking the stand.
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Lance Twiggs, the transgender roommate and romantic partner of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, was given limited immunity for a recorded statement he gave to authorities in April. That's according to a new court filing.
Lyndon Blake
We'll break down what the judge decided, whether the death penalty is still in play, and what to expect when proceedings begin the week of July 6th. I'm Lyndon Blake, and you're listening to. That's so Criminal.
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Lyndon Blake
All right, let's start with what happened in court this week. You have Robinson's defense team wanting his alleged lover, a man Robinson calls Luna, whose legal name is Lance Twiggs, to testify in person at the preliminary hearing. Guess what the judge said? No. Judge Tony Graff ruled that a video recorded police interview with Twigs that was taken back on April 20th of this year is admissible for the purposes of the preliminary hearing. And that's enough. Here's why this matters. A preliminary hearing isn't about guilt or innocence. It's only about probable cause. Did a crime happen, and did this person likely do it?
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Yeah, I mean, people have to understand this is a hearing not about innocence or guilt. It's a probable cause hearing. It's basically a preliminary hearing. People forget the standard for an arrest is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It it's that probable cause existed at the time that this individual committed a crime.
Lyndon Blake
As part of that ruling, Twigs was granted use immunity for that recorded statement. That means the statement can be used in court, but it can't be used against him personally. So why did the defense fight so hard to get Twigs on that stand? Because the text messages Tyler Robinson sent him on the day of Charlie Kirk's assassination are central to this entire case, and they're part of the basis for the death penalty. On September 10, Robinson sent twigs a message that read, quote, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. What Twigs found was a letter. According to KSL News, it said, luna, if you're reading this per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and sent an autotext. I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I took it. In his April police interview, the one that the judge just ruled admissible, Twiggs confirmed what he had already told law enforcement back in September. That Robinson had admitted to the public shooting and had hidden the gun he used the defense Wanted Robinson to confront Twiggs directly about the communications in the preliminary hearing. That's not going to happen, though. But if this case goes to trial, it's a different story.
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Lyndon Blake
Still ahead, why Robinson's team thought a prosecutor's gag order violation could change the entire trajectory of the case and the reasoning Judge Graff used to shut their argument down. Meanwhile, the defense is also pushing to get the death penalty removed from the table. And their argument is an unusual one. They're claiming a prosecutor violated the gag order by speaking to reporters and that this taints the proceedings enough to warrant pulling the death penalty charge. Now, most legal experts that I've talked to believe this argument was a long shot. A gag order violation and the ultimate sentence in a murder case are generally treated as separate legal issues. Judge Graff's ruling on this was a split decision. The judge did find that Deputy Utah county attorney Christopher Ballard violated the gag order and held him in contempt of court, Meaning he broke the rules and there are consequences. But the judge stopped well short of what the defense wanted.
Judge Tony Graff
Having found Mr. Ballard in civil contempt, the court turns to the imposition of sanctions. The defendant argues that the appropriate sanction to remedy the remedy this prejudice is to strike the state's notice of intent to seek the death penalty. The court declines to adopt this requested remedy.
Lyndon Blake
Graf ruled that Ballard did not engage with the media out of a malicious desire to flout this court's authority or to intentionally taint the jury pool. And critically, the court found that removing the death penalty would be, quote, unquote, grossly disproportionate to the misconduct and legally unavailable in this civil contempt framework. So that means the death penalty stays.
Legal Expert
The reality is this is a textbook case of why the death penalty is on the books in those jurisdictions. They created a grave threat to public, the public during this shooting. This was a quasi terroristic shooting. I would say Charlie Kirk was clearly killed for having a specific political viewpoint. And, you know, there was a high level of planning and premeditation, all of which are aggravating factors that would usually denote the imposition of the death penalty
Lyndon Blake
instead of striking it. Judge Graff said the court will consider expanded jury selection procedures to address any potential taint. And as a further consequence of the contempt ruling, Robinson's defense will be reimbursed for the cost they incurred in bringing the contempt motion. One more development worth noting as we head into this preliminary hearing. Cameras are going to be in that courtroom. Back in May, Judge Graf rejected a defense request to ban cameras, microphones and photographers from the murder trial. The defense argued it would jeopardize Robinson's fair trial rights. The prosecution pushed back pretty hard. Deputy Utah County Attorney Chad Grenander put it plainly. He said mischief lurks in the dark or in secret. Conspiracy theories abound and the antidote is the actual real proceedings. Let's shine a light on these proceedings, a bright light so the public can have confidence in what happens in this courtroom. The judge agreed, though it's worth noting that reporters and members of the public will not be allowed to use electronic devices during the week long preliminary hearing.
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Lyndon Blake
So here's where things stand. The preliminary hearing is scheduled to start July 6 at 9am that's when the evidence gets laid out and Judge Graf decides whether there's enough probable cause to send this case to trial. So if you've noticed, the defense has been causing delays at every turn and it's their standard strategy and it's working to slow the timeline down. But July 6th is coming up fast. Until then, we'll be watching every development and keeping you updated. I'm Lyndon Blake and you're listening to that's so Criminal.
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Podcast: That's So Criminal
Host: Lyndon Blake (The Daily Wire)
Date: June 26, 2026
In this episode, investigative reporter Lyndon Blake unpacks pivotal legal decisions in the high-profile murder case against Tyler Robinson, who is accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk. The episode dives into the defense's recent setbacks, the court’s decisions regarding critical witnesses and the admissibility of evidence, as well as intense debate over whether the death penalty should remain on the table. Listeners are offered behind-the-scenes context about courtroom strategies, key legal arguments, and the implications for next month’s preliminary hearing.
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Lyndon Blake expertly guides listeners through the intertwined complexities of legal procedure, prosecution and defense maneuvering, and the ongoing battle over whether Tyler Robinson could face the ultimate sentence. The episode underscores how pivotal admissible evidence, procedural rules, and courtroom transparency will shape the next phase of this nationally watched trial.