Jason Ellis Has Turned His Life Around | First Date with Lauren Compton

Summary

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First Date with Lauren Compton

Episode: Jason Ellis Has Turned His Life Around
Date: August 19, 2025
Host: Lauren Compton
Guest: Jason Ellis
Studio: YMH Studios

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Episode Overview

In this candid, high-energy episode, Lauren Compton welcomes back Jason Ellis, comedian, podcast host, former pro skater, and fighter, for a “second date.” Known for his unfiltered approach to life and humor, Jason opens up about profound personal transformation—covering everything from sobriety, relationships, trauma, and healing, to his passions for comedy, horses, and skateboarding. The episode is a journey through Jason’s past recklessness to his present contentment, loaded with laughs, honest revelations, and life lessons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates and Relationship Changes

Jason celebrates newfound happiness, monogamy, and genuine stability.

• Six Months with New Girlfriend (05:00):

  • Jason’s girlfriend “slid into his DMs” after a show; both are sober, which Jason identifies as essential for his relationships.
  • “I've done everything so bad. And I've tried everything...I know that I cannot go out with you if you're not sober and kind of in the program.” (02:50)

• Moved in together:

  • “She moved in. I ain't playing no games...I know. It's in my soul.” (05:05)

• On Calm and Balanced Love:

  • “I've never dated anybody ever in my life that calmed me. She doesn't freak out about stuff...It's just a presence. There's no real alarms going off ever...All my life I've had, like, violence and aggression and tempers and drama and trauma...And now it's just like, do you want to eat?...Did you know this fell apart? We'll fix it.” (04:16)

2. Sobriety, Growth, and Letting Go of Old Instincts

Jason dives deep into addiction, self-reflection, and giving up destructive habits.

• Addictions of All Kinds:
  • “Everyone has all kinds of addictions...If you run. I'm not interested in...I'm not mad at you. I'm just not interested in hanging out with you.” (03:17)
  • Now, his “addictions” are fitness, comedy, and horses:
    “My horse, that's really...I'm in a...I'm in two relationships...That's all I do is hang out with my horse. I talk to him all day. He talks to me.” (03:37)
• On Past Reckless Sexuality:
  • “I was addicted to bone. I wanted to come on everybody all the time...Now I just keep it real because I don't need anybody anymore. I need one person.” (09:49)
• Rejecting Old Patterns:
  • No longer attracted to “tattoo girls, gay guys, trans people, hoes, etc.” (11:18)
  • “Now I just like, make love, which makes me gayer than I've ever been in my entire life.” (12:21)

3. Healing Through Horses, Friendship, and Routine

The life-changing power of equestrian therapy and real friendships.

• Whitney Cummings' Horse (05:29):
  • After a breakup (that cost him access to a previous horse), comedian Whitney Cummings let him become close with her horse, which deeply changed his life.
  • “I lost a friend recently...So I just started going there every day, and she was like, you can sleep there if you want.” (06:08)
• Personal Growth:
  • “Horses have taught me how to treat people. Like if you suck, I know you suck before you talk. If you're trying to get something from me, I know it before you say it.” (06:52)

4. Childhood Trauma, Abuse, and Breaking the Cycle

Jason recounts disturbing memories of early drug exposure and abuse, linking them to his life struggles—and recovery.

• Early Drug Use and Boundary Issues:

  • “My parents did a lot of drugs, so it was always around me...A lot of people slept with me...As a teenager...there's like a bunch of women that slept with me when I was really young.” (32:23)

• Harrowing Camp Story:

  • At a “rebirth” camp:
    • “So everybody picks a partner and there's only one guy left. And he's like 80...You're gonna cradle your partner...I have an 80 year old man in my arms and I'm swaying him back and forth in the water...then he cradles me.” (33:05)
    • Ends up being sexually abused by a naturopath “counselor.” (34:03)
  • His mother’s reaction:
    • “That's it. I'll never see her again. That's the end of it. Never brought up again.” (37:28)

• Reflection and Emotional Breakthrough:

  • “I was cool...And now that I've worked on myself...I told it… and it choked me...That happened. That's a thing.” (37:49)
  • “This is the first time I've been me my whole life. What I like, what I'm into, the people I hang out with now, that's what I am. And I've never been that.” (38:33)

5. Comedy, Skateboarding Revival & Career

Jason returns to his roots, finding pride and stability in comedy and skateboarding.

• Pro Skating Comeback:

  • “I'm a pro skater. Again, legit...My pro model's coming out soon...They need content. I need three videos a week. I skate all the time.” (18:00)
  • “I'm 53. It's very difficult. Everything I do is terrifying.” (18:19)
  • Jokes about Tony Hawk:
    • “He's old. He's not that good...Tony Hawk is one of the worst skateboarders I've ever seen. He's so good.” (19:07, 20:20)

• Teaching and Helping Others:

  • Trains veterans in boxing, gives skate lessons, and focuses on supporting others in recovery:
    • “I just try to help people with what I have to offer, and it's fighting, skateboarding and, like, sobriety and stuff like that. Like, I know what not to do.” (22:47)

6. Mental Health Advice and Transformation

Jason gives direct, hard-won advice for fans and listeners.

• On Getting Out of the Dark:
  • “Oh, to not give up. You know, because that's the thing. Like, we break. You know, it gets so heavy that we just give up, and then we use stuff to run from the problem, and then we wake up the next day and it starts all over again. So to me, the advice is to not run.” (24:13)
  • Explains metaphor of "being dropped into a dark cave":
    • “You start to imagine there’s things out there that don't exist. And that's what it's like being…where you're running from your past...” (24:39)
  • “You gotta sit with it and, like, really understand why...and you have to work on it every day. You don't go, I'm fixed. Let's go out...Every morning I wake up, I pray, I do a grateful list...My main thing is, I wake up in the morning, I'm like, what can I do to help somebody today?” (25:49)

7. Intimacy & Redefining Masculinity

Sexuality gets a reality check; deeper connections replace wild escapades.

• Fewer Sexual “Tricks,” More Connection:
  • “My sex life is like, I just want to get barreled and hang out in the barrel and then get shot out the end. That's it, man. I ain't trying to do a bunch of tricks on the lip...I'm like, just ride the wave. Just have fun riding the wave.” (30:18, 30:47)
  • “Calm down. Stop trying to do 360s on people's pussies.” [Laughter] (31:15)
• Direct but Honest Take:
  • “I used to tell everybody everything...But, like, what my girlfriend and I do in the bedroom...I'm not what I was.” (29:45)

8. Redemption and Service

Owning the pain he caused, Jason is driven to “give back” and support others.

• Amends and Self-Knowledge:
  • “I'm a good guy, and I know it when I look in the mirror...I'm a better father. I'm a way better boyfriend...I've apologized to everybody that I've hurt. They've all forgiven me. And now it's, like, up to me to, like, keep going at what I'm doing and, like, trying to give back.” (38:51–39:23)
  • “Just work. And I'm like, no, just you do it. You know, it's like going to the gym. Like, I want to go to the gym. I'm tired. Go. And that's it. That's the end of it. You just go. You just do it.” (39:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Relationship Change & Calm:
  • “All my life, I've always struggled…now it's just like, do you want to eat?...Like, did you know this fell apart? We'll fix it, you know? And it's like, oh, yeah, we could. We could. Okay.” (04:16)
• On Old Sexual Compulsions:
  • “I was addicted to bone. I wanted to come on everybody all the time…Now I just keep it real because I don't need anybody anymore. I need one person. I don't even jerk off anymore.” (09:49)
• On Healing:
  • “This is the first time I've been me my whole life…What I like, what I'm into, the people I hang out with now, that's what I am. And I've never been that.” (38:33)
• On Advice for Getting Out of the Hole:
  • "Don't give up...The advice is to not run. You gotta sit with it and face it and analyze it...It's every day. Every morning I wake up, I pray. I do a grateful list." (24:13–25:49)
• On Acceptance:
  • "I'm a good guy, and I know it when I look in the mirror." (38:51)
• On Gentler Sex Life:
  • “Calm down. Stop trying to do 360s on people's pussies.” (31:15)

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Theme | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:30 | Jason’s second date with Lauren; quick catch-up, immediate banter about childbirth, body, and wild stories | | 02:40 | On sobriety and relationships—why it’s a deal-breaker for Jason
| 03:37 | New priorities: fitness, comedy, a horse, and a girlfriend
| 05:00 | How his girlfriend calms him and why this relationship works
| 06:00 | The healing impact of caring for Whitney Cummings’ horse
| 09:49 | Letting go of sexual compulsion; clarity on new boundaries
| 12:21 | On abandoning old sexual identities and habits, and finding joy in monogamy and simplicity
| 18:00 | Skateboarding comeback; playful shade at Tony Hawk
| 22:47 | Helping others: training veterans, teaching skateboarding, focusing on mental health
| 24:13 | His advice for getting out of a dark place—don’t run, face it head-on
| 33:05 | Harrowing story about teenage sexual abuse at a “rebirth” camp
| 38:33 | Realizing he’s “finally” himself and happy for possibly the first time ever
| 39:15 | Making amends, accepting responsibility, helping others
| 41:11 | Lauren congratulates Jason, remarks on his transformation
| 42:00 | Where to find Jason online, his new podcast “Ellis 2.0”

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Tone and Style

Unedited, raw, deeply honest, but laced with constant humor and self-deprecation. Jason’s storytelling is relentless and graphic, but his self-awareness and commitment to positivity punctuate the darkness with hope. Lauren matches his energy, challenges him with follow-up questions, and reacts with genuine empathy and fun.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a wild ride through trauma, redemption, and real personal evolution, told in Jason’s unfiltered, hilarious, sometimes crude, but ultimately inspiring style. You’ll hear frank discussions of abuse, addiction, recovery, and the journey toward real happiness through self-examination, rejection of toxic patterns, and building honest relationships—with both people and horses.

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Find Jason:

• Instagram: @oolfmay
• TikTok: @JasonEllis103
• Tour/clothing line: thejasonellis.com
• Podcasts: “The Jason Ellis Show,” “Ellis 2.0”
• Patreon: patreon.com/alicemate

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Transcript

[A]

I'm so excited to see you tonight. First date, baby. First date. I can't wait. First date. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another epic first Date. My guest today is back for his second date. You can catch him on Patreon or on tour at lsmate. Give it up for Jason Ellis.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm so glad to have you back.

[B]

It's great to be back. I'm very excited to talk to you. You had a human come out of your vagina since the last time I saw you?

[A]

No, he did not come out of my vagina.

[B]

Well, same difference. Neither region.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I've seen both. I've made both. First one came out, like, gutted. Like a shark.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I thought my wife at the time was dying. I was very concerned for her safety because I never seen. Like, the baby came out and I was like, it's my baby. And then I was like, oh, that is a huge hole.

[A]

Huge hole.

[B]

Is she okay?

[A]

Yikes.

[B]

And they were like, calm down. And I'm like, I will not calm down. And then. Yeah, the second one, because I make huge babies.

[A]

How much do they weigh?

[B]

10 pound babies each. I was 11. I'm a beast. They got. They had 99.

[A]

You were 11 pounds?

[B]

Yeah. My mom used to. When she was mad at me, she would pull her top up and show me her stomach. This is what you did? And I remember because it was like, sc. I was like, oh. Because I thought it looked like a shark attacked her. Wow. Yeah. I destroyed her. The doctor said I was a lazy baby. 11 pounds, 90% head size or whatever it is.

[A]

Were you breastfed, do you know?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I like. I suck titties for sure. What?

[A]

I didn't know if you had. If you knew if you were formula fed or breastfed.

[B]

Never stopped.

[A]

I was formula fed.

[B]

Formula fed?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You seem pretty, like, stocky for a formula. I'm stocky. Oh, God. Can't. Oh, God. Don't do. Don't reverse woman me. I'm not gonna go for it, all right? I've had three divorces. I've been down this road. You're hot. Shut up.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, there you go.

[A]

You know who else is hot? Your girlfriend.

[B]

Yeah, I'm pretty pumped about that.

[A]

She's super pretty.

[B]

Yeah. She's young. And I'm not rich, so people think that I am.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Whenever you walked in, I was like, jason. And then she, like, popped out from the side, and I'm like, wow.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

How'd you get that? Her. Her. Not that her? Sorry. How'd you get that piece of ass?

[B]

She slid into my DMS after a comedy show.

[A]

Oh, my God. You must have been really funny.

[B]

It's how funny I am these days. Yeah, I've really flipped it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I'm sober, and she's sober, so that's kind of because I can't go out with somebody that isn't so that really.

[A]

Is it hard?

[B]

I tried. Yeah. I really tried.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've done everything, like, really badly, like, so many times, because that's how I learn, you know, the hard way. And I've done everything so bad. And I've tried everything. Everything. I've tried everything. So I really know I didn't have to read it. I know that I cannot go out with you if you're not sober and kind of in the program. It's. It's kind of like. Because it's. Everyone has all kinds of addictions. Doesn't have to be drugs and alcohol. Can be food can be social media can be, like, talking to people, buying stuff. Like, it's. If you run. I'm not interested in. I'm not mad at you. I'm just not interested in hanging out with you.

[A]

Yeah. Do you have any addictions whatsoever? I mean, tattoos, yeah.

[B]

But that's diet. I don't have any room left. I got, like, three spots left, and then it's one tattoo. Yeah. But. So I don't really have time for that anymore. I'm more like fitness, comedy. My horse, that's really. I'm in a. I'm in two relationships. You know, I got a girlfriend and I got a horse. I don't really care about anybody else. Okay, Time for any of this other. Everybody's full of. I love my horse. That's all I do is hang out with my horse. I talk to him all day. He talks to me. And my girlfriend and I are best friends, and we don't fight. She calms me down. I never. I never date anybody. I'm 53. I never dated anybody ever in my life. That calmed me.

[A]

How does she calm you down?

[B]

Because she doesn't freak out about stuff. Like, if something happens, she's like, we'll figure it out. And I'm like, yeah, I guess that. That. That could work. And it's just a presence. There's no real alarms going off ever. It's like a crazy. I swear, sometimes when I think about it, it makes me emotional, like, in a happy way, because it's just like, all my life I've had Like, it's been tough. You know, I've always struggled and had, like, violence and aggression and tempers and. And drama and trauma and all this stuff. And now it's just like, do you want to eat? You know, and it's like, yep. Like, did you know this fell apart? It's like, we'll fix it, you know? And it's like, oh, yeah, we could. We could. Okay.

[A]

How long have y' all been together?

[B]

Only, like, six months.

[A]

Hey, that's like. That's not nothing.

[B]

Yeah, she moved in. I ain't playing no games. I'm in. That's it. I know. It's in my soul.

[A]

Where do y' all live?

[B]

We live in Encino, California, in the Valley.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I live 20 minutes from my horse and 20 minutes from the Comedy Store. I'm right in the middle of where I want to be.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where does your horse live?

[B]

It's not entirely my horse, because I'm not. I don't have any money, so it's my rich friend's horse. But I hang out with the horse more than her because she's a bigger, more successful comedian. You might have heard of. Her name's Whitney Cummings.

[A]

I was gonna say. I'm like, this is really leaning towards Whitney Cummings.

[B]

Ye. So she has been such a big help. She's such a good friend to me. And when I had a girlfriend last year who got me into horses, so I'm very grateful for meeting her, too. But when we broke up, I was no longer allowed to see that horse. And I told Whitney, and Whitney was like, come meet my horse. And I was like, okay. And then me and him just hit it off. And she was like, you guys are friends. Like, you guys, you can come see him whenever you want. And I lost a friend recently. Like, my best friend passed away. So I just started going there every day, and she was like, you can sleep there if you want. I was like, really? And then I started. I don't read. I started reading books about horses and learning stuff.

[A]

So you're really falling in love with horses?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I hang out there. Like, if I'm on the road, I can't go, but when I'm home, I just go see him every morning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And hang out with him. Ride in bareback.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I make him. He does. He does horse wheelies for me and burnouts.

[A]

Wow. It's like a car.

[B]

Is he like, a car friend? I love cars, but they don't talk, you know, they're soulless.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Horses are different. Horses have taught me how to treat people. Like if you suck, I know you suck before you talk. If you're trying to get something from me, I know it before you say it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Because horses don't. They can't talk.

[A]

You've got a good intuition then.

[B]

Because I, I read people like I read horses. That's why all horses are my friends. Because they know I'm okay.

[A]

Well, I've got some follow up questions for you.

[B]

Let's follow it up.

[A]

So the last time you were on my show.

[B]

Yeah, I got brain damage. So I don't remember what happened.

[A]

How'd you get brain damage?

[B]

I got punched in the head and kicked in the head and I hit crash my cars a lot. I raced cars and wait when and fighting. All my whole life I've had, I've had like I've been knocked out.

[A]

Oh, you're saying that you've got brain damage in general?

[B]

Yeah, like CTE or whatever it is, for sure. I mean, they gotta study my brain when I die. But I mean, I'm basically a doctor. I, I'm a doctor patient. I'm a doctor when it comes to brain damage. Broken bones, torn ligaments, and like fractures, dislocations, all that stuff. Because I've had so many of them. I've never been wrong. Every time I go, oh, man, I tore my meniscus. And they had to get, get an mri, the doctor goes, you tore your meniscus? I'm like, duh, I'm a doctor, you dumbass. You know?

[A]

Cause you know I do.

[B]

Well, what did I say?

[A]

You said a lot. But you also brought me donuts instead of roses and that. Do you remember doing that?

[B]

I do, I do. Because that's my favorite thing. Oh, I love donuts. They make me so happy.

[A]

Today I had a bag. I went to the beach over the weekend and I had this bag of popcorn, but it was like.

[B]

You brought a bag of popcorn to the beach?

[A]

Wait, it was like muddy popcorn. It has like the chocolate and the sea salt on it. Okay, what do they call that? I don't know what they call that.

[B]

Fun.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, it was in the back of my car and I forgot that it was in the back of my car, so it was like this big melted ball of goodness.

[B]

Okay, wait, so you just stuck your muddy hand in it?

[A]

Stuck my hand in it. I started eating it and then it was so good that I had to throw it away.

[B]

Hashtag mumlife.

[A]

I was like, oh my God. It's like just like this gremlin in this parking garage, shoving my mouth full of.

[B]

You deserve it.

[A]

But it reminded me when you were coming on my podcast. I was like, oh, my gosh. Jason brought me donuts last time, too.

[B]

So now I feel bad.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I didn't bring you anything.

[A]

Oh, it's okay. You wooed me on the first date, and now we're here.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

So we're on our second date.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So you also said that you like gangster bitches.

[B]

Yeah. Not anymore.

[A]

I was going to say, your girlfriend is not a gangster bitch.

[B]

Yeah, because I made all these mistakes going out with people I was into. Like, I like ghetto chicks. Tattoo. Like, you have face tattoos. Too many tattoos. I'm super into it because I was into, like, porn people and, like, evil people because I liked evil. So I don't like evil anymore. I don't. I stopped. What's so funny about not liking evil anymore?

[A]

We're proud of you.

[B]

Thank you. Somebody should thank me for it, because it's not good.

[A]

No, it's not.

[B]

I was addicted to bone. I wanted to come on everybody all the time. Like, it was super hard for me not to want to come on everybody. I was like, I never wanted to bum out anybody just in. Just in case there was a chance later on down the road that they wanted me to come on them. So I was always, like, taking hits from people. I was like, maybe. Maybe we'll patch it up later and I'll come on you. You know? So I had to, like, play it safe. Now I just keep it real because I don't need anybody anymore. I need one person. I don't even jerk off anymore.

[A]

We don't need to. If you have a girlfriend that looks like that.

[B]

Sometimes I jerk off. She was gone for, like, four days, and I went to jerk off, and I just gave up because I was like, what am I doing? I don't need to do it because I used to, like, jizz on stuff to run, because if I. If I do stuff like that, then I'm out of my head. But I like being in my head now, so I don't run from anything. And I don't, like, find those people attractive. I don't want to have sex with random people anymore because I don't need to run. I don't do drugs. I don't have sex with people. I don't run. I stay in my own head. If things are bad, I just deal with it. Because of all the work I've put in. This is the thing I have to say. Don't DM me anymore. Everybody. Gay guys, tattoo girls, all the. All the hoes. No offense. Good for you. But I'm out. Stop doing it. Everyone's always trying to, like, hit on me. Oh, I like you. I'm a tattoo girl. I'm like, ew, gross. No offense, but ew. Like, ew, ew. Tattoo girls. Ooh, gay guy. Ew. Trans people. I don't care what you want to do. You transfer.

[A]

Okay, but. Because last time you said that you were 99% straight, emotionally sober, and that you only attract crazies now.

[B]

Now, because that's the other. Because I kept working. So it's like baby steps. You get to the point where you're like, okay, I definitely don't want to do any gay stuff. Ew. I know that's gonna sound weird, but I don't care. I was a part of the community. I don't care what you think. You hate me. It's good. But I. Then it went to just hoes, like, tattoo hoe looking girls. And I was like, that's not. Like, you're damaged. I'm damaged. But I've fixed myself so I'm like, pretty happy. And I don't need to do weird stuff in the bedroom. And I don't need to, like, it doesn't have to be creepy for me anymore. I don't have to. Because you get. You do too many jizzes and then you get, like, bored. So you gotta, like, do weird jizz stuff where it's like, I'm having sex with somebody. I was like, somebody else come in here and chug me. And you over there, say something weird. And somebody poked me in the butt. You know what I mean? Like, there's all these things where you gotta add on or give me a joint while I'm doing this, or now I don't do any of it. I just, like, make love, which makes me gayer than I've ever been in my entire life.

[A]

I just realized you just made a whole full. I haven't even said anything. And we've gone full circle that. Cause last time you also. We talked about letting go of your hole. The experience of butthole pleasures.

[B]

Yeah, I'm glad I did it, but I don't need to do it anymore.

[A]

Okay. So we're totally past it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're into the new girl.

[B]

Yeah, Big time. And I'm monogamous and I'm very happy with it. And I don't have this urge. Like, my accent. I still talk like I'm from Australia. But I'm not. And it's the same as like when I do stand up. A lot of times if there's like an overly tattooed girl in the front, I'll be like, yeah, what's up? And then I'll be like, why? Like if she does agree to it, you don't want to do it. It's just like old instincts that like see those girls?

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So many things have changed.

[B]

They really have. They really. It's. It's kind of. I don't know myself sometimes. I'm like, that's why I'm talking like this. Because I. This is a chance to get it out there because it really is annoying on social media. I'm very hot to certain people. I know, not to everybody, but I'm sexy to a lot of people. Weird people. And they're. And most of these people are very forward and it's just like, oh, have you seen this? And I'm like, I don't want to see it. Stop showing me. I don't care about your boobs. I don't care how many tattoos you got. I don't care of what tattoo thing you're into. I'm not into it. So stop. So that's kind of like. Stop. Get off me. Gingers do have souls and we're black. Black cheeks dig me too. But stop.

[A]

Have you seen the Gingers do have souls YouTube video?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

That's what this reminds me of.

[B]

Yeah, we. I'm very soulful. I'm like James Brown, which is we're both black.

[A]

Okay, we're just going to skip right past that and we're going to talk about the airport sex game. Do you still play the airport sex game? Not you don't try to find the second hottest person.

[B]

Why would I? I don't want to have sex.

[A]

All right, well, we're breezing right through these follow up questions.

[B]

I'm pretty happy about being at the airport, which is also something I've never said in my life. I'm like, always grateful for stuff. Now it's kind of wild.

[A]

Okay. All right, I have two more then. Let's see here. So we're not trying to find the second most fuckable person while waiting in line.

[B]

No.

[A]

You seem still like an open book.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. You had this. Like, I am, but I'm not referring to being a pro skater.

[B]

Oh, I am a pro skater. Again, legit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know what's so funny about that. I'm. I'm on the boonies. Boonie Skateboards represent Alice's pro. I'm pro. My pro model's coming out soon.

[A]

You're serious?

[B]

Deadly serious. They need content. I need three videos a week. I skate all the time.

[A]

What's the hardest thing you can do on a skateboard?

[B]

Everything. I'm 53. It's very difficult. Everything I do is terrifying.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it's so exciting to. Somebody's paying me to skateboard again. So it's kind of revitalized my. Because usually if I go skate, it's. It's. I'm taking away time from work, and I'm like, I'm going to go have fun on my skateboard with my friends. But now I have to go because my job.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's like comedy, but, yeah, Because I love comedy. I want to do stand up all the time, but it's also my job. And it's like this. It feels good because it's like, you're a professional.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now I'm a professional skateboarder, and it's fair because I'm not as good as I was. But neither is Tony Hawk. He's old. He's not that good.

[A]

He's not that good.

[B]

Not even. Dude, he sucks.

[A]

Dang.

[B]

My favorite thing to say, man.

[A]

God, I love the tea.

[B]

Yeah. Cause people's like, you know, people are like, man, Tony Hawk, new video game. Well, yeah, thanks for putting me in it, by the way, Tony. Appreciate that. But, yeah, he's been so nice to.

[A]

You, and he sucks.

[B]

He's done a lot for me. I'm just razzing him. But it's also. He's the legend of skateboarding. He made skateboarding what it is today, and no one would ever say anything bad about it.

[A]

What was that skateboarding movie with all the little kids?

[B]

Dogtown Z Boys. Or the one where they got aids.

[A]

I don't think they got AIDS in this.

[B]

There's one in San Francisco where somebody gave somebody aids. That was not the old.

[A]

It was the Boys of Dogtown. Right.

[B]

That's the old one. That was like, before. Before Tony's time.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That was Tony Alva.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. But Tony's like, a legend, so you would never say anything bad about him.

[A]

But he sucks.

[B]

But I. He's terrible. See, it's so much fun. People like, whoa. Did you say that? Like, I don't think you want. If you make this a clip, then he might see it, so. You suck, dude. You're super old. You're kind of washed up.

[A]

You can't say it with a smile. He knows you're joking.

[B]

You're. Between you and me, Tony Hawk is one of the worst skateboarders I've ever seen. He's so good.

[A]

Between you, me, and the rest of the Internet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, well, what is the most romantic thing that you have done for your girlfriend so far?

[B]

Oh, that actually happened recently, and she reminded me of it today. I was on the road last week in Providence, Rhode island, and I had. I was walking down the street, and I found some hippie incense place, and they had all these little rocks and little, like, beads and stuff, and I collected a bunch of beads and got the. The little. The fishing wire thing and all the little names, and I made a bracelet because she calls me Zaddy. Because Zaddy. I didn't know this, but Zaddy is like an older guy that's like a daddy. Yeah. So I'm a Zaddy. So I put Jason and Zaddy in it, and with all these little jewels of little stones, you laugh at it. It's very romantic. I spent hours. I spent hours putting this thing together. I'd never made jewelry before, and when I gave it to her, she was like, who made this? I was like, I made it. And she couldn't believe it. And she said, it's the nicest thing any man has ever done for her.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Zaddy vibes.

[B]

Zaddy in the house.

[A]

Does she travel around with you? What does she do?

[B]

She's a fit model.

[A]

I can tell. That's obvious.

[B]

And she's. We're going to Utah. She might sell insurance for one of my friends. Insurance companies.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so she can work from home. So, yeah, that's. That's what she does right now.

[A]

So what's next? What are your big plans?

[B]

I'm just trying to be really good at comedy and, you know, still skate. And I almost got a bare knuckle fight. Somebody bare knuckle reached out to me and they're like, we. Would you take a fight? And I was like, yeah, for money, you know, like, if you pay me enough money to pay off my ex wife, I'll fight anybody. I'll fight an elephant for that fee. But I don't know if they're gonna give me that kind of money. Yeah, I don't really want to fight anymore, but I trained like veterans every Saturday. So I train. I teach boxing now, and I do skateboard lessons for kids and stuff and people. Yeah. So it doesn't pay as much as, like, what it. What it did. When it was, like, a rad or whatever, but it's just more fulfilling. I just try to help people with what I have to offer, and it's fighting, skateboarding and, like, sobriety and stuff like that. Like, I know what not to do. That's for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, when people ask my podcast. I changed my podcast now where it's just called Alice 2.0 now, where I just talk about, like, mental health and what it takes to get back on the other side, you know, if you're in a hole, how to get out of it. Because I was in the dark, like, really dark, and I. And I dug myself out of it. It was really hard to do, but I did it. And now I'm kind of a person that talks about that. And a lot of people message me and ask how to do it. And I offer my advice because, like I said, I know how not to do it. And I did get myself out of a giant dark hole. Like, I really was going to end it at one point. And now I've never been happier. I'm going out with somebody who's, like, calm and sweet and really nice and. And I never dated anybody like that before because I attracted her, because that's how I am now. Like, I'm sweet and nice and a good person. And before, it was just evil people that wanted to finger me.

[A]

That's not funny.

[B]

It's a bit sad.

[A]

It is.

[B]

But it's okay now because I'm. I'm out. I really am. I'm very.

[A]

What was the number? What is, like, the number one biggest piece of advice that you can give about getting yourself out of a dark hole?

[B]

Oh, to not give up. You know, because that's the thing. Like, we break. You know, it gets so heavy that we just give up, and then we use stuff to run from the problem, and then we wake up the next day and it starts all over again. So to me, the advice is to not run. You know, like, it's very scary. It's like if you. This is a. I do this in my set sometimes, but I saw it somewhere where if someone. If you dropped. If you get dropped into a cave really deep, and it goes. It's really dark, to the point where you can't see your own hand in front of your face, you get scared, like everybody would. If you can't see your hand right here, you would get scared. You start to imagine there's things out there that don't exist. And that's what it's like being like in this thing where you're running from your past, where if you smoke weed or you drink or you have sex with somebody or you eat Taco Bell, whatever. Whatever it is that you do to run from stuff, you shouldn't eat that stuff, by the way.

[A]

Taco Bell people.

[B]

Fat people. I can say it. There's fat people out there.

[A]

I like Taco Bell.

[B]

Don't be so fat. It's. And be like, oh, it's like, you're gonna call me fat. What? You are. You can be not fat. You know, I can be. I can be not gay. I could be not a junkie. I don't see how that's funny. You could not be it. You just got to work at it. You got to analyze, why am I doing this? Why do I do it? What makes me do it? The things that. Like, when things get tough, you go, oh, let me watch Netflix. Or, let me. I'll go out. I'll have a beer. Like, you're running from it. You got to sit with it and face it and analyze it. What can I do to change it if there's nothing I can do to change it? Accept it and move on. And I feel like a lot of people might be like, they can say, I've accepted it, I've moved on. You probably haven't. You need to really sit with it. Like, days, nights, by yourself. Not like reading a book or flicking through TikTok. You got to sit with it and, like, really understand why. You act a certain way when you hear or find out certain things, and you make those adjustments and you have to work on it every day. You don't go, I'm fixed. Let's go out. Like, you got it. It's every. Every morning I wake up, I pray, I do a grateful list. Like, I do things that are positive for myself. I eat right. I don't. I mean, I. I look, I take care of myself. I take care of other people. Like, my main thing is, I wake up in the morning, I'm like, what can I do to help somebody today? Is there anything I can do that can make anybody's day better?

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

When I think about that, you think less about yourself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think I've always been pretty hot on myself. Like, I always thought I was pretty cool. Obviously, I am very cool. But, like, relax. So that big of a deal.

[A]

So in your relationship that you're in now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Besides the fact that she can keep you calm and you guys are having, like, a nice, stable, solid relationship, is this the Longest relationship that you've been in in a while?

[B]

No, no, I had. Well, after I got divorced, I slept with porn people because those are my only friends. And then I realized they weren't my friends. No offense to them. I understand they got their own circumstances. But then I started to analyze why it is that I end up with those kinds of people. And then I started to sort of cut that part out and try to find a normal person. And I think it might have been around when I saw you, where it was the only people that like me are crazy people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I know, like, I'm using words that, like, trigger some people, but it just. It's not their fault either. But I get it. Like, look at the way I look. Like, if you're into me, you're probably retarded. You know, it kind of makes sense where you're like, yeah, maybe he'll choke me. And I'm like, ew. Choke yourself. Go to the gym and learn jiu jitsu if you wanna get choked. I'm not doing it. So that I made those adjustments. And then I just was like. I said I had to really sit with it. Like, what do I really want in my life? Like, if I don't have this girlfriend that wants to sleep with other people or. Or do weird things, will I be happy? And, you know, I had to find out, like, am I. Is this a lie? Like, am I pretending to be somebody to. To make me happy? Like, just pretending to be somebody who's a nice person and. And likes just normal stuff, like a normal day, like enjoy a sandwich or something. And I was like, I don't feel like that I could ever be that. I've always been a guy that's like, I need fire and explosions and titties, you know? Like, everybody's titties. Not. Not two. I need a hundred of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then with time, I just became. I went on dates where I was like, I'm not gonna try to sleep with them. Which is also weird when you don't try to sleep with a girl. This is how sad the world is. People would always thank me for not trying to sleep with them after dinner. And I'm like, who tries to bone you after dinner? It's one dinner. You don't know me. Why? But everybody. Apparently, all dudes do. So I never. And then there was a few girls that said they don't drink. And then they did drink. And then I was like, I'm sober, but I smoke weed. And I'm like, okay, well, Maybe that would work. No, it doesn't work. I tried that and then I gave up. And when I gave up, that's when I met her, which is kind of how it works. God does that to people.

[A]

So are you've let go of a lot of the freakiness? Like, you're not all of it. Are you freaky with her or are you just not freaky?

[B]

I mean, I don't. It's. This is the other thing. I used to tell everybody everything, but, like, what my girlfriend and I do in the bedroom.

[A]

Oh, well, don't be lame. It's not a secret. Don't let it be a secret.

[B]

I'm not what I was. We talked about a lot.

[A]

But you're right, you are still gay.

[B]

In a different way. But, yeah, I agree. But, yeah, I don't. I don't.

[A]

I'm just teasing you. I'm happy for you. I think that's great. It sounds like you're really, really happy.

[B]

It's so much less stressful, like, trying to, like, up yourself. Like, what can I do? Tomorrow night is, you know, it's like, just enjoy it. It's kind of like if you're a surfer and you want to, like, do five 40s, like, I'm this. My sex life is like, I just want to get barreled and hang out in the barrel and then get shot out the end. That's it, man. Oh, I ain't trying to do a bunch of tricks on the lip. Metaphorically speaking.

[A]

That's a great metaphor.

[B]

You know what I mean? Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how I surf. Skateboarding. I try to push it. Surfing. I'm like, just ride the wave. Just have fun riding the wave.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's kind of if something happens, we do something new. Cool. I'm into it, but I'm not. Like, what? Flip over, dude. You know what if I put my own foot over the back of my own head? You know what I mean? Like, just stop. Because it got crazy. Like, I'm just, like, spinning around like spider banging. It's out of control.

[A]

Well, it sounds like you just got a lot of it out of your system.

[B]

Yeah, just in time, because getting old, man. Like, calm down. Stop trying to do 360s on people's pussies.

[A]

Go hang out with a horse.

[B]

That's that. I think that had a lot to do with it. I really do. Like, this horse calmed me down. It, like, made me, like. I hang out with the horse, we don't talk. I just stand there next to him and, like, like the sun's on our faces and I just sit there and I never could do that. I could never sit. I gotta get high or something's gotta happen.

[A]

How old were you when you started getting high?

[B]

Like 12.

[A]

And what age were you when you like, quit? All of it?

[B]

51. Yeah.

[A]

So your whole life has been.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Heavy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. When I was a professional athlete, I was doing more drugs in my prime than I ever did, which is.

[A]

That's crazy to think about. That's like your whole life almost.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did you get exposed to it when you were 12?

[B]

My parents did a lot of drugs, so it was always around me. It was like a lot of damage. A lot of people slept with me. Like I said, I've always been really attractive. As a kid. As a teenager, I only. I recalled recently on my show People that when I was 16, 17, and then 13, like, there's like a bunch of women that slept with me when I was really young. And I never. At the time it was like, yeah, you know, I mean, like, old ladies are having sex with me. I'm cool. And my dad knew about some of them and he thought I was cool for it. I slept with one of the girls that he slept with. Yeah. There's no boundaries in my life. So that's why it took a long time for me to catch on where I was like, wait a minute, that's not normal.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. I had like an episode recently on my podcast where it dawned on me right there and then while I was telling a story, because someone I used to tell the story about, I went to a. My mom had a naturopath. And the naturopath lady said, jason, my mom was worried about me because I was, you know, troubled teen or whatever. And she was like, take him. I'll take him to this camp. It's a three day camp to help people with mental breakdowns and stuff like that. So I go, and I'm 16 or 17, maybe not even 17 yet because I hadn't been to America yet. And it's a three day thing. And it's like everyone there is old. Like just old people. And one of the days, because they're doing like stupid therapy or I don't know what it is, people looking in the mirror, talking to themselves. I'm like, this is so stupid. And then we go to a pool for a day and I'm like, oh, cool, a swimming pool. And it's rented out, so there's nobody else. And they go, you have to get in the pool. Naked. And I'm like, I don't want to get naked around a bunch of old people. And I remember walking into the, walking around the pool to get in and everybody else is already in the pool because I was scared to take my clothes off in the dressing room with everybody. And now I'm walking around the pool, dick swinging, and they're all looking at me and I'm like, man, this is hard. I get in the pool and the guy goes, okay, pick a partner. And I'm like, I am not picking a partner with my dick in the water. Like, I am uncomfortable. So everybody picks a partner and there's only one guy left. And he's like 80. He's like an 80 year old dude. Like basically just like a wobbling sea turtle on the. In the pool. And they go, okay, team up. And I'm like, oh my God, this is brutal. And they go, so you're gonna cradle your partner because it's like a rebirth or something. I forgot exactly what it was for. But all I know is at one point I have an 80 year old man in my arms and I'm swaying him back and forth in the water. I can feel his old skin touching me and shit. It was so grossed out. And then switch. And now he's cradling me. I don't even know how he held me up. And I'm like, they're like, this is like a rebirth. And I'm like, I'm not. I'm dying right now. There's no rebirth in this. I am very uncomfortable. It ends. And then the naturopath lady, because this in the 80s, so she comes up to me while I'm, I'm in the corner, up against the wall, like standing there by myself, just like, can this please end? And she comes up to me and starts talking to me. And it's in that she had a real hairy beef. So her bush was touching my wiener. And I was like, does she know her bush is touching my wiener? But I'm like, probably not, because I don't get it then. And I'm like, that's weird. That's awkward. And then next day she's like, so your mum was going to pick you up, but we live down the road from each other, so I'll drive you home. And I was like, okay, like dumbass. I don't know. She starts driving me home and then she pulls off of the freeway and has sex with me. And I'm underage for sure. I think at the time, because I've already Had sex with several. Not several, but three to four other adults in my teens. And also when I was a little kid, people did stuff to me. So I don't understand boundaries.

[A]

This is so hardcore.

[B]

Look at me. Why do you think I look like this? I figured it out recently. I was like, who? Duh. No wonder you look like a jerk off. You know, I mean, all the things you've done. But then it gets worse. I go back to the house. She drops me off, and then my mom tells me the next day, she goes, they want to see you at the Naturopath place. And I'm like, why? She wants to talk to you. I go in there. She's not there. It's her husband. And her husband brings me into an office, says he knows that I had sexual relations with her and starts threatening me. And I at the time was like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. But because I'm from where I come from, if you threaten me, I'll. We'll go, you know, because that's how I was raised. So I picked up the phone, I was like, try it, dude. See what happens. And he was like, you don't need to go there. And I was like. Like, I said, dude, you threatened me. I'll fucking hit you in the face of this phone and we can fucking sort it out. Like, I kind of snap for a second, and then I tell my mom about the whole thing, and she goes, oh, man, she's terrible. That's it. I'll never see her again. That's the end of it. Never brought up again about anything.

[A]

That's. That was her reaction.

[B]

Yeah. And I told that story when I was on Sirius xm. Like, I was cool. And then when I told it, now that I've worked on myself, I told it like two weeks ago. I think it's out now. And it choked me to the point where I was kind of tearing up on my own podcast because I was like, that. That happened. That's a thing.

[A]

That's horrible. I'm like, that's so wild. And I'm sure that you have so many stories like that.

[B]

Yeah. And I forget them. That's like. Because. Because when things like that would happen, I would drink and do drugs and run from it and make it go away, you know? Like, I could make it go away like it didn't exist. And then I'd have this anger and depression that I'd walk around with where I'm like, I don't really understand. Like, at one point, I was a millionaire I got everything I ever wanted. I'm like, but I'm not happy, and I don't understand why. And now I'm like, I know why. Because you never. You never got to the bottom of that. Like, you were used. Like, people ran over you and abused.

[A]

You, and so you're getting your life back.

[B]

I've never had my life. This is. I've never been me. This is the first time I've been me my whole life. What I like, what I'm into, the people I hang out with now, that's what I am. And I've never been that.

[A]

What is your favorite part about being you?

[B]

I'm a good guy, and I know it when I look in the mirror.

[A]

Wow. That's a great feeling.

[B]

You can count on me. I'll be there. You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm a better father. I'm a way better boyfriend. Because that's the other thing. I hurt people I cared about. It's like, you can have an excuse because your childhood, but the fact still remains that I did hurt the people that I loved because I had all these damaged ideas.

[A]

But you were hurt. It's. It's easy to hurt other people when you're hurting.

[B]

Right. But it doesn't. It doesn't excuse it.

[A]

It doesn't make it right.

[B]

Right. So that's why I've made all these Amen. I've apologized to everybody that I've hurt. They've all forgiven me. And now it's, like, up to me to, like, keep going at what I'm doing and, like, trying to give back. Like, if you're in my position, I can help you get out of it. Because I like that story. It's not a good story, but I'm very happy. Like, I laugh all the time. I've never been happier in my whole life. So you can get out of it. Yeah, it's just really hard work. And that's the thing I notice when people reach out to me, I'm like, well, here's what you do. They're like, well, the thing with that is. And I'm like, that's your problem, is when you go, well, I would, but I can't because of this one thing. And I'm like, there is no excuse. You can do it. Everybody can do it. It's just work. And I'm like, no, just you do it. You know, it's like going to the gym. Like, I want to go to the gym. I'm tired. Go. And that's it. That's the end. Of it. You just go. You just do it. You go to the meeting, you talk in front of people. You ask for a sponsor. You do all the things you're supposed to do. Are they fun? Door. I don't want to go. I do speeches in front of people. I don't have a speech in front. In front of a bunch of junkies, but I do it. And afterwards I feel better. And when, you know, when you get it back, it's like going to the gym and you see yourself getting bigger. You see the number on the plates go up. You know it's working. You know, when I skated all the time, I started doing skateboard tricks I'd never done before. How's that? Because I kept skating all the time. Same rules apply to everything you've done.

[A]

Such a huge 180.

[B]

Yeah. Skateboard terminology. I don't know if you know that.

[A]

I do. I did my one.

[B]

Let's get rad.

[A]

You know, Trick. Yeah. Wow. Well, it's good to see you again and it's good to see that you're happy and that you're yourself and that you're vibing. I mean, it sounds it. You s. You sound. And you look really, really good.

[B]

Are you hitting on me? Cuz I'm not interested in. Noah will not marry you.

[A]

Okay. Wow. I'm glad that you came back on and like, told me that one.

[B]

Shake. Yeah. I shouldn't have done it, huh? Sorry.

[A]

It's okay. You'll never come.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

This was a great last episode.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

I'm just kidding. I love you to pieces. I'm glad you're here.

[B]

You're awesome. I love your show.

[A]

Since you've been here, I've gotten married and had a kid, so.

[B]

Yeah, I saw it. I've been watching, you know. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm taken by two men now.

[B]

Good. I'm happy for you.

[A]

Well, where can people find you?

[B]

Oolfmay on Instagram and I think It's Jason Ellis 103 on tick tock. I don't know. But my tour dates is thejason ellis.com and my clothing line is on there as well. And the Jason Ellis show or. Or Ellis 2.0 is a free podcast. And then I have my Patreon where I do three shows a week on that and that's patreon.comalicemate what kind of.

[A]

Shows do you do? Like your podcast shows?

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's kind of similar. It's like the show that I used to have on Sirius xm. There's a lot of people that still want that show. Yeah, so I have a co host, Michael Talley, and we do, like, it's like the serious show, but it's. It's a paid subscription, which is, like, serious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a weird thing, people that goes to you. Yeah.

[A]

So that.

[B]

Yeah, that one actually makes money.

[A]

Yeah. You can support. You can find support through that. That's great.

[B]

The podcast doesn't do anything, but it helps people.

[A]

It's nice that it helps people. And people can help you in return.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

All right, Jason. Well, thank you for coming on.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

I'll have you back again even though you don't like me.

[B]

What? Huh? No, I just want to marry you or have sex with you.

[A]

Okay, deal.

[B]

I really like you.

[A]

I like you too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'll bring donuts.

[A]

Okay. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode. We'll see you next time. First date. Baby, are you really drinking a glass of milk? Milk with dinner? You told your mom about me? Delete my number. First date, your parents are your roommate. First date.