Listen Now: OnlyFantasy

Summary

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Flesh and Code — Episode Summary

Podcast: Flesh and Code
Host: Wondery
Episode: Listen Now: OnlyFantasy
Date: May 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a special feature highlighting Wondery's podcast "OnlyFantasy," a series that delves into the evolving landscape of adult content, sex work, and the complexities of human intimacy in the digital age. Through a behind-the-scenes look at Creators Inc., an elite OnlyFans agency and content house in Los Angeles, hosts Leon Nayfak and Gracie Kanan explore the intersection of technology, empowerment, and capitalism in modern sex work.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Scene: Visiting Creators Inc. (01:07–04:02)

• Arrival at Content House: Hosts Leon and Gracie arrive at Creators Inc.'s mansion in Encino, likened to a "modern Playboy Mansion," dedicated to OnlyFans creators.
  • "[The house] was the set designed so that every corner, every room could serve as an attractive backdrop for photos and videos." (01:18–02:18, A)
• Kayla Parcells Introduction: Met by Kayla Parcells, co-founder and COO, who describes the house as a versatile canvas for creators' visions.
  • "We can kind of do anything in this space, and just having it be that canvas for what our creators want to do and use their vision and ideas and we make that come to life for them." (02:30–02:39, C)
• Amenities and Lifestyle: Gracie is dazzled by amenities like a pool, spa, and a pop-up swimwear shop, reflecting the luxury and glamour associated with top creators.

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Ambition, Temptation, and Prosperity (02:50–03:24)

• Financial Aspiration: Gracie candidly discusses the allure of real wealth which OnlyFans seems to offer.
  • "And seeing those numbers made me hungry. Not just to make money so I could pay the bills, but for real wealth, like prosperity." (02:50–03:10, B)
• Desire for Stardom: The emotional tug of possibly becoming a stars resonates with Gracie.
  • "I was so embarrassed how badly I wanted it, because it was like one bikini away from being a Creator's Inc. girl." (04:45–04:54, B)
  • "10ft pics from stardom." (04:56–04:59, B)

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Industry Realities: Rules, Reputation, and Empowerment (04:59–06:03)

• Boundaries and Clean Reputation: The hosts inquire about whether explicit content is filmed at the house. Kayla clarifies:
  • "I prefer it that way." (05:07–05:10, C), explaining sex on camera is "frowned upon," and the house is maintained as a professional, clean space.
• Parental Assurance: Kayla invites creators’ family members to the house to counter industry stigmas and reassure them about safety and legitimacy.
• Empowerment & Fifth Wave Feminism: Kayla positions Creators Inc. as a supportive, empowering environment for women.
  • "There is a dark, scary place that women can fall into and this is a really wonderful, safe, supported... Fifth wave feminism is what I like to call it." (05:49–05:57, C)
  • Gracie slyly questions the feminist bona fides but acknowledges the positive intent.

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Expanding Horizons: Beyond OnlyFans (06:03–06:40)

• Encouraging Long-Term Success: Kayla details how OnlyFans can be a launching pad for other business ventures—citing creators who have opened skincare lines or even a trucking company.
  • "She even introduced us to one woman who had used her OnlyFans income to start a trucking company back home in Texas. The way Kayla sees it, OF is simply the best way for these women to bankroll their ambitions, whatever they may be." (06:03–06:40, B)

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Reflection: The Double-Edged Sword of Fame (06:40–07:05)

• A Factory for 'Authentic' Stardom: Leon reflects on the contrast between the idea of genuine subscriber connections and the reality of a highly-managed, image-focused operation:
  • "...Here was a factory churning out hyper curated and highly produced images of so-called authentic living. Of course, that didn't mean Kayla was wrong. It just made me think OnlyFans stardom was more complicated than I'd realized." (06:47–07:05, A)

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Notable Quotes

• Gracie on Wealth & Temptation:
  "I was like Eve looking at the apple, which I guess made our girl Kayla the ultimate creator." (03:10–03:24, B)
• Kayla on Empowerment:
  "There is a dark, scary place that women can fall into and this is a really wonderful, safe, supported... Fifth wave feminism is what I like to call it." (05:49–05:57, C)
• Leon on the Paradox:
  "Hollywood felt like the opposite of what I thought OnlyFans was supposed to be ... here was a factory churning out hyper curated and highly produced images of so called authentic living." (06:47–07:05, A)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:07–02:18: Arrival at Creators Inc., description of the house
• 02:30–02:39: Kayla’s explanation of the purpose of the content house
• 03:10–03:24: Gracie’s admission of her own ambition and desire
• 04:45–04:54: Gracie jokes about the proximity to stardom
• 05:03–05:10: Discussion of content boundaries at the house
• 05:49–05:57: Kayla’s thoughts on ‘fifth wave feminism’ and empowerment
• 06:03–06:40: Beyond OnlyFans—helping creators launch brands
• 06:47–07:05: Leon’s final reflection on ‘authenticity’ in the industry

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Overall Tone

Candid, curious, slightly irreverent, and deeply observant. Both hosts bring their personal perspectives—Leon’s as an outsider and journalist, Gracie’s as an insider—to deliver a nuanced exploration of the social, emotional, and economic realities behind the glitzy world of digital sex work.

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For listeners seeking a thoughtful and humanizing look at the intersections of sex work, technology, and ambition in 21st-century America, "OnlyFantasy" offers rich, nuanced storytelling and often surprising revelations.

Transcript

[A]

I'm Leon Nayfak, best known as the co creator of Slow Burn and fiasco. I'm a 41 year old writer, podcaster and dad. I had of course heard of OnlyFans, but always with a distant and quiet skepticism, a silent judgment, you could say who was actually using this platform. So when I found out that my own sister had started an OnlyFans account, my journalistic curiosity got the best of me. And to my surprise, it led me down a year long reporting journey. Luckily, I found the perfect co pilot for this wild ride.

[B]

Hi, I'm Gracie Kanan, OnlyFans creator and comedian. Not Leon's sister, I might add. Let's just say I had a different POV on OnlyFans and why people use it. Our podcast, OnlyFantasy is a show about the changing nature of adult content, sex work and human intimacy itself.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, it's definitely that house. Which is funny because it's like all the houses around it are just regular ranch homes.

[A]

Last summer, our team flew out to Los Angeles, the home of the adult entertainment industry.

[B]

Look at that.

[C]

Whoa.

[A]

It's all black.

[B]

That is not discreet. And in this moment, we were pulling up to a huge house in the middle of an unassuming neighborhood in the Valley. To anyone not in the know, it might have looked like any regular old mansion, but to me, it was the modern Playboy Mansion. We're here, Creator Z.

[A]

When we walked up to the house, we were greeted at the gate by a woman in California casual attire, pink jean cutoffs, Doc Martens, and a Creators Inc. Baseball cap.

[B]

And don't forget the most important LA accessory of all, a dazzling, perfect smile.

[C]

Welcome to Creators Inc. I'm Kayla Parcells, co founder and coo.

[A]

And where are we, Kayla?

[C]

We're at our content house here in Encino, California.

[A]

Creators Inc. Is an agency that represents some of the most successful creators on OnlyFans. And this was their content house.

[B]

Imagine a wework, except it's a mansion with photogenic lighting and a pool.

[A]

A pool that no one was actually swimming in, by the way. Which was telling, because more than anything, this place was a set designed so that every corner, every room could serve as an attractive backdrop for photos and videos.

[C]

We can kind of do anything in this space, and just having it be that canvas for what our creators want to do and use their vision and ideas and we make that come to life for them.

[A]

We were here to get a glimpse of the day to day operations of elite creators and the teams of professionals who support their careers. We wanted to see how the business of OnlyFans was conducted.

[B]

I've never been one to covet the glamorous influencer life, but in the weeks leading up to this trip, we'd been reading about and talking to creators who were bringing in wheelbarrows of money each month. And seeing those numbers made me hungry. Not just to make money so I could pay the bills, but for real wealth, like prosperity. Because as an of creator, it actually felt within reach for me for the first time in my life. So stepping into this house, I was like Eve looking at the apple, which I guess made our girl Kayla the ultimate creator.

[C]

I never do interviews. I am strategically the person out of the picture. You know, I hide in the background. It's not about us, it's about our creators and letting them shine and making sure we give them the best opportunity.

[A]

Kayla, a former gymnastics coach at MIT turned entrepreneur, presided over the scene. Kind of like a benevolent ra. She gave us the grand tour of the place where on any given day you can find young women from the Creators Inc. Roster and a few men working out, shooting videos and lounging.

[C]

This is our spa. So if you're into the cold plunge and the infrared sauna, this is your place. The cold plunge is a very popular spot, especially today when it's 100 degrees.

[A]

I couldn't help but notice Gracie's eyes light up every time Kayla showed us another amenity at the house. A few feet from the cold plunge, there was a pop up shop of Creators Inc. Bikinis because apparently it was LA swim week.

[C]

I thought you were coming to shoot for CI Swimwear. I thought you were like someone from the arc.

[B]

I mean, if somewhere, if you're asking,

[C]

you want to, since you're here, we'd love to have you, but I really thought that's what I'm here for.

[B]

If my co workers weren't right here, I feel like it'd be so like, like, do you guys want to go away for 45 minutes? No, but I'll be literally like, I'm here often, so I'll hit you up. And also maybe you want to work with us.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Gracie, be honest. How badly did you want to do this photo shoot when Kayla asked you?

[B]

Oh my God. Could you tell? Yes, I was. I couldn't help it. I was so embarrassed how badly I wanted it because it was like one bikini away from being a Creator's Inc. Girl.

[A]

That's right. 10ft from stardom.

[B]

10ft pics from stardom.

[A]

Sorry, not to ask a rude question, but like, do people film sex here too?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. Is that a rule?

[C]

I prefer it that way.

[A]

It was funny how awkward it felt to bring up sex as if it wasn't at the center of the Creator's Inc. Business model. Though, honestly, walking around the house with its pastel color scheme and ample nooks, you wouldn't know porn had anything to do with it.

[B]

I mean, ample nooks sounds pretty porny to me. But to be clear, I don't think Kayla meant there was no nudity allowed in the house, just that actual sex on camera was frowned upon. They definitely keep the creators ink house clean on purpose. Kayla told us she regularly invites family members of Creators to come see the house so they can be reassured that their daughter or sister isn't being forced to work out of some shady brothel.

[C]

There is a dark, scary place that women can fall into and this is a really wonderful, safe, supported Fifth wave feminism is what I like to call it.

[B]

Fifth wave, yeah.

[C]

Where we're kind of flipping that and you are making this something much more positive.

[B]

I'm going to be honest, this house wasn't really giving me Audre Lorde vibes. And much like those parents Kayla mentioned bringing to the house, we were definitely getting the shiny, rosy version of OnlyFans. But still, I believed Kayla when she said she wants more for her clients than just being famous as OnlyFans. Creators. She told us Creators Inc. Has helped women launch skincare lines and fashion brands. She even introduced us to one woman who had used her OnlyFans income to start a trucking company back home in Texas. The way Kayla sees it of is simply the best way for these women to bankroll their ambitions, whatever they may be.

[C]

This is the new Hollywood and basically, you know, if you're going to set yourself up for the rest of your life, like this is your opportunity.

[A]

Hollywood felt like the opposite of what I thought OnlyFans was supposed to be. Instead of focusing on building one on one genuine connections between creators and subscribers, here was a factory churning out hyper curated and highly produced images of so called authentic living. Of course, that didn't mean Kayla was wrong. It just made me think OnlyFans stardom was more complicated than I'd realized. Binge all episodes of OnlyFantasy AD free right now on audible start your Audible subscription in the Audible app or on Apple Podcasts.