62. The Least of These- With Jen Hamilton

Summary

Flipping Tables – Episode 62: "The Least of These" With Jen Hamilton
Date: March 30, 2026
Host: Monte Mader | Guest: Jen Hamilton (Labor & Delivery Nurse, Social Media Advocate)

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Episode Overview

In a profound and hopeful episode, host Monte Mader sits down with viral nurse and advocate Jen Hamilton to discuss the experience of deconstructing evangelical beliefs, the complexities of current reproductive rights issues, and what a compassionate, empathetic application of Christian teachings looks like in modern America. Both share their journeys from conservative upbringings and attendance at Liberty University to more progressive, inclusive worldviews, reflecting on how proximity to others’ pain and humanity can radically reshape our perspectives. The conversation dives deep into social media activism, the realities of healthcare, systemic misogyny, birth control propaganda, and the transformative power of embracing and uplifting the “least of these.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Viral Moment

[00:59–03:13]

• Monte recounts how Jen went viral after reading Matthew 25 on TikTok, emphasizing care for “the least of these,” which she notes, “sounds pretty liberal to me.”
• Jen faced serious backlash: targeted attempts to get her fired and threats that required private security at professional events.

“And in response to that, MAGA called her work at the hospital...tried to get her nursing license revoked...” (Monty, 00:59)

2. Social Media Journey & Influence

[03:13–05:44]

• Jen began on TikTok during the pandemic at a friend's suggestion; her content shifted from light “mom videos” to healthcare advocacy and social commentary.
• Discusses the realities and labor behind “influencer” work.

“I just got to the point where I hired my sister because it’s just too much…I can’t be a human being, you know?” (Jen, 05:35)

3. From Conservative Upbringing to Empathy in Healthcare

[06:05–12:56]

• Jen describes a loving, church-centered upbringing and “travel and church” as foundational.
• Her father—a national champion wakeboarder—now serves foster kids through a nonprofit.
• Liberty University’s nursing program exposed her to people with different stories, encouraged hands-on learning in diverse environments (AA meetings, disability schools), and forced her to confront her own biases.
• A key moment: an instructor dismisses a male student’s attempt to avoid OB clinicals for religious reasons.

“You don’t get to use your religious reasons for not being able to take care of somebody.” (Jen, 09:10)

4. How Proximity Changes Perspective

[12:56–18:33]

• Both Jen and Monte experienced major worldview shifts by meeting students from diverse backgrounds at Liberty.
• The notion “it’s hard to hate from an embrace” recurs—exposure breeds empathy.

“When you’re close enough to see the humanness of someone else, it has a way of changing and shaping you.” (Monty, 13:06)

5. The Reality of “Pro-Life” — A Healthcare Worker’s View

[14:46–20:57]

• Jen’s tenure as a labor and delivery nurse reshaped her views on abortion. She gives examples of medically necessary termination (e.g., pre-viable ruptures with infection, IVF pregnancies with fetal loss).
• Critiques the dissonance of “pro-life” policies that cut support for children post-birth while demanding birth at all costs.

“If people could just come with me to work, if they could see what it means to say ‘no, you can’t have this care,’ I think that it would change a lot of people’s minds.” (Jen, 17:20)

• Advocates for making abortion “unnecessary, not illegal,” emphasizing the role of comprehensive sex ed, healthcare access, and financial support.

6. Debunking Abortion and Birth Control Myths

[21:55–29:29]

• Monte and Jen both describe moving from absolutist “no exceptions” positions to understanding the intricacies and tragedies that surround reproductive choices.
• Address common myths: abortions as birth control (“no one’s doing that!”), birth control conspiracies, and coercive anti-women policies.

“I’m pro abortion in the way that I’m pro appendectomy…When you need it, you need it.” (Jen, 25:55)

7. Birth Control Access & Propaganda

[29:29–32:09]

• Analyze the anti–birth control rhetoric surfacing on social media ("step into your divine feminine," "it’s a trap").
• Tie the push against birth control to larger movements (e.g., Project 2025, Save Act), seeing them as means to control women’s autonomy.

“It all lines up so perfectly with Project 2025 and making sure that we...get as close as we can get right now to repealing the 19th Amendment. That’s what I’m saying.” (Jen, 29:57)

• Critiques infantilization of women—suggesting proponents of these laws do not trust women to make their own choices.

8. Personal Stories: Birth Control & Motherhood

[32:09–38:15]

• Both swap stories about finding effective birth control (Jen taped her pill pack to her phone; both praise IUDs for managing health issues).
• Discussed mixed experiences, side effects, and the disservice of fear-based propaganda for young women.

“I would marry my Mirena. I love her.” (Jen, 32:09)
“This is how men live all the time? I never want to hear another complaint ever again.” (Monty, 36:36)

9. Coercion and Abuse in Religious Institutions

[38:15–43:54]

• Both discuss the Liberty Godparent Home, a maternity home incentivizing adoption, often in coercive, traumatizing ways for teen girls.
• Jen shares discomfort from even her youth mission work there; listening to survivor stories clarified her unease.
• Monte provides more context: forced adoptions, isolation tactics, and the concerning spread of similar homes post-Roe.

10. Dangerous Shifts in Federal Policy for Pregnant Teens

[43:35–46:31]

• Jen details how a local shelter (My Sister Susan's House) lost federal funding for refusing to “push marriage” to pregnant teens—even if it means marrying abusers, reflecting a disturbing national trend.

“...there was new language...they had to answer…‘How do you push marriage as one man, one woman?’ And they lost their federal funding.” (Jen, 44:30)

• Monte compares these family policy proposals to historical fascism.

11. Christian Nationalism, Hypocrisy & Hope

[47:00–54:45]

• Discuss hypocrisy in American evangelicalism; how “love your neighbor” now gets redefined to exclude certain groups.
• Jen shares the viral first-class airplane story—giving up her seat to sit with a blind man (and his dog), resulting in a meaningful friendship and a successful fundraiser for the Seeing Eye organization.

“I always want to turn lemons into lemonade…so we’re selling merch [for] the Seeing Eye...just to help train more puppies.” (Jen, 52:50)

• Emphasize the overwhelming support when people rally for good causes.

12. Internet Chaos & Joy in Dark Times

[55:50–59:01]

• Light segment on the “Yellowstone” TikTok phenomenon—wild, funny, pseudo-official park accounts bringing laughter and distraction online.

13. The Backlash to Compassion

[59:01–61:51]

• Jen details the dangerous fallout she faced after her viral Matthew 25 video—threats, reports to her job and nursing board, necessitating private security at a nursing conference.

“I was not just reported to my job…they tried to get my nursing license taken away…because they said it was hateful and discriminatory.” (Jen, 59:33)

14. Jen’s Book: “Birth Vibes”

[62:01–63:47]

• Jen’s upcoming book, Birth Vibes (out May 5), draws from real-life nursing stories to teach expectant parents to plan for what won’t change in childbirth—communication, support, informed decision-making—rather than rigidly clinging to ideal “birth plans.”

15. Personal Resilience & Encouragement

[64:05–end]

• Jen: Focus on finding helpers, taking small actions of compassion, and holding onto the silent majority that supports love and care.
• Monte: Closes by reminding listeners that “love is stronger than hate, even if hate is louder at the moment.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On empathy-changing worldviews:
  “It’s very hard to hate from an embrace.” (Monty, 01:17, recurring theme)

• On the shift in pro-life perspective:
  “If people could just come with me to work...I think that it would change a lot of people’s minds.” (Jen, 17:20)

• On abortion as healthcare:
  “I’m pro abortion in the way that I’m pro appendectomy…When you need it, you need it.” (Jen, 25:55)

• On anti–birth control discourse:
  “If they weren’t worried about women choosing...there would be no need for force and coercion and to manipulate the laws.” (Monty, 30:10)

• On vulnerable status at Liberty:
  “...I had friends get kicked out of Liberty for getting [pregnant]. Their boyfriends didn’t, but they did.” (Jen, 33:52)

• On finding hope:
  “There’s more love in this world than hate; the hate is just really loud.” (Jen, 54:46)

• On supporting young listeners:
  “If you look for those around you who are helpers...just small choices of kindness...can make such a difference in this world that feels so scary right now.” (Jen, 64:05)

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Segment Timestamps (Quick Reference)

• [00:59] Introduction: Jen’s viral story and backlash
• [03:13] Social media beginnings
• [06:05] Nursing, family, and education at Liberty
• [09:27] Nursing school & compassionate care
• [14:46] Shifting political views & pro-life debate
• [21:55] Discussing abortion exceptions and public rhetoric
• [29:29] Birth control controversies & Project 2025
• [32:09] Personal birth control stories
• [38:15] Liberty Godparent Home and adoption coercion
• [43:35] Loss of funding for non-coercive pregnancy centers
• [47:35] Airplane story: standing up for the marginalized
• [54:46] Hope in dark times
• [62:01] Jen’s book: “Birth Vibes”
• [64:05] Advice for young people

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out for its warmth, authenticity, and actionable compassion. Whether discussing the trauma-wrought systems at religious institutions, the nuances lost in culture wars, or the hope to be found in kindness, both Monte and Jen emphasize that real change comes from humanizing connection, brave honesty, and showing up for the marginalized in large and small ways.

Transcript

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[Monty]

many, many people, was introduced to this lovely, lovely woman by a social media video, walking through her house, opening up her Bible to Matthew 25 and reading the passage about caring for the least of these in response to a comment that said, whoa, be careful there. I am happily MAGA and absolutely love Jesus. We are exhausted about liberal nonsense and as Jen Hamilton read that passage about caring for the sick and the hungry and the stranger and the prisoner, she simply said at the end, well that sounds pretty liberal to me. And in response to that, MAGA called her work at the hospital she works at, tried to get her fired, called the nursing board and tried to get her nursing license revoked to the point that when she spoke at a medical conference later, she had to have private security for her safety and she's here with us today. Jen Hamilton is a labor and delivery nurse who has of course, a social media following of over 4 million unique users. She she's been both on ER and obstetrics nurse for over a decade and most of that has been at the bedside caring for families and welcoming babies into the world through her platforms and her work. She's passionate about improving outcomes for families, dismantling systemic racism and underlying misogyny that exists in ob GYN care, and strongly believes that the path to better outcomes starts with empathetic, timely and compassionate communication. Jen and I both share an alma mater in Liberty University. We also talk about in this interview about how some of our views changed growing up in conservative Christian families, going to a conservative Christian school, and how the world can look better when we have a lot more empathy and a lot more for compassion for the humans around us that may be different than us, believe, different than us, have a different life than we do. Because ultimately it's very hard to hate from an embrace. And today we're going to find a little bit of love and hope in what seems like a hopeless place with Jen Hamilton on flipping tables. Jen, welcome to the show.

[Jen Hamilton]

Thank you for. We did it. We did it. We're here.

[Monty]

We're here.

[Jen Hamilton]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Monty]

We got put off a little bit with the ice storm of doom that hit the south when we first had this scheduled. So I know you're busy between work and socials and your book, and so I appreciate you taking the time.

[Jen Hamilton]

It's an honor. Thank you so much.

[Monty]

And I'm kind of going to jump in. I, like many, many people, found you in this adorable video with a headband on where you walk through the house and you crack open a Bible, you read from Matthew 25 about clothing people and helping the hungry and the sick and the imprisoned and you end it with. Sounds pretty liberal to me. And I know that you were pretty well established on social media before that video. So how did you really get started in social media?

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, so I never, like, planned this life or anything. I was already on social media too much as just like a mom scrolling on Facebook and Instagram. And I have a friend, Lauren, who was like, hey, you should download this new thing, TikTok. And at first I was like, absolutely not. I do not need another thing to take my time. And then the world shut down with the pandemic, and so I had nothing else to do except be on my phone. So I downloaded that. And then my very first video was me trying to figure out what the plus button was on the. On the bottom of the screen. I was like, oh, you can record a video on here. And so my very first videos were kind of just like silly mom stuff that I thought was funny. And over time, I don't think there was like just this one thing that exploded me. It's kind of like different little bumps along, along the way with different videos. But yeah, and so now it's like taken over my whole existence. So a good way. Like, I, I am so honored and, and blessed to have the opportunity to reach as many people as I do. And it's been a lot of fun.

[Monty]

It is really fun. It's. It's a lot of work, but it's also really fun. And I think back to the, when TikTok first came out, I was the same way where I'm like, I'm not downloading another app, I'm not doing this. And you know, and even like I remember people saying, you know, when you would meet people that are like, oh, I work in social media or I'm an influencer or however they would phrase it, and there was all this negative, like, that's not a real job, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, it is.

[Jen Hamilton]

Like I, it's pretty real.

[Monty]

I've been trying to, especially with like the two podcasts. I've been trying to restrict my days to eight hour work days where like I just put my nose down and I work straight. And even then I'm finding myself getting to the evening and just like, I don't have everything done. Like, I need to, I need to edit this thing, I need to research this. So it is, it is a job.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah. I just got to the point where I hired my sister because it's just, it's just too much like I can't be a human being, you know?

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

Just your attention is being pulled in all these different directions.

[Monty]

And you still work full time at the hospital.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, I, well, it's like half full time because I work weekends. So you get paid more because you work weekends.

[Monty]

Okay.

[Jen Hamilton]

Almost like full time pay. But yeah, I, I haven't lowered my hours, I'll say that, since all this

[Monty]

got started, which is crazy. And talk a little bit about that as far as like what you, what you work in, what you specialize in.

[Jen Hamilton]

So. I'm a labor and delivery nurse. My background is in emergency nursing. I've been a nurse for 14 years. I'm a little under half of that has been in the emergency room. And then now I work on labor and delivery and I absolutely love it. It's my life's passion. I didn't know that I would love it as much as I did because I was really just trying to escape the er.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

Whenever I got on labor and delivery, I was like, y' all get to do this for like, you get paid for this.

[Monty]

So that's how you know you found it. That's how you know you found the thing. It's like, this is amazing.

[Jen Hamilton]

I have no desire. I mean, even with all the other stuff that's going on in my life, I have no desire to quit or to slow down. It's actually the thing that like fuels me to keep going to do the other stuff. So I just absolutely love what I do. I love that.

[Monty]

I love that. So tell me a little bit about, like, I know a little bit about your life from college on, which we'll get to. Cause we share an alma mater. But I would love to know about how you grew up. So give me kind of a background of baby Jen childhood and how did you end up at Liberty?

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, so I have. I grew up in an amazing, amazing family. My parents are awesome. My mom's a nurse. My dad was an industrial paint contractor who now works in a nonprofit that he started where he. My dad's a wakeboarder. That's amazing. Yeah, he was. I can't remember what. What year it was. 2011. National champion wakeboarder or something like that for. For his age group. So what he would say was, like, I'm pretty good for an old.

[Monty]

I love that. I absolutely love that.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah. So he started a nonprofit where he takes kids from children's homes and foster care out for a day on the lake and teaches them how to wakeboard, kneeboard, ski, whatever they want to do. And then he started an adaptive program also. But my entire childhood was church and travel, I think, is, like, the. The main stuff that. That we would do. So I think that those two things had a lot to do with the way that I. I love new cultures. I love learning about things. I love trying new things. I love hearing different people's perspectives. And then also growing up in church, I mean, we were at church Wednesday, Sunday morning, Sunday night, vacation, Bible school, and just taught the nature of Jesus and how we were to emulate him. And, I mean, I. That was what kind of shaped me as a child. And when it came time to go to school, as far as, like, college, I didn't even apply to any other schools but Liberty, because I was like, this is. This is where I need to be. Like, because we used to do. I did this thing called Student life camp.

[Monty]

Yep.

[Jen Hamilton]

And it did a lot of stuff at Liberty, and I just thought it was, like, the coolest place.

[Monty]

And they have a fabulous nursing program, to be fair. Like, they have really good nursing program, or.

[Jen Hamilton]

I think the nursing program is what made me more liberal if I have to.

[Monty]

Ooh, talk about that. Let's. Let's. Let's open that. Let's open that up a little bit, and we'll talk about. Then we'll deep dive into Liberty and stuff. Yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

So the Liberty nursing program was hard. It was very hard. They. They were very rigorous in Their making sure that the nurses that came out of there not only knew their stuff, but had the discipline to withstand hard things. Did I enjoy it while it was happening? Probably not as much as I appreciate it now, but they would have us do crazy stuff like write 20 page papers overnight and take our tests at 6am which that kind of stuff I, I really didn't enjoy. However, they were so dedicated to the art form of nursing in the way that we are supposed to be with people in their most vulnerable moments that I feel like it just made me more apt to, you know, have compassion for people. So they would send us to like AA meetings. Like that was part of, like we needed to go be with people who were living in addiction and understand that this is a disease and like how we can, how we can throw off any judgment or bias towards people. I remember there was, there was one time where there was a guy in my nursing school class who we were at an OB clinical and, and the guy said, I don't want to participate in this because I'm a virgin and I don't want the first situation that I see to be someone else's. I want it to be my wife's. Which, very sweet, very kind. However, my nursing instructor said, tough cookies. Like, you're going to see stuff. Like we don't, you know, you can say for religious reasons all you want. You're a nurse and you're gonna, you're gonna be here and you're gonna see stuff. If you want to be a nurse, you're gonna have to see other, other ladies situations and you're gonna have to get over that. And I was like, you know what? Hell yeah. Like, remember I heard him say that. At first I was like, oh, that's kind of sweet. But then I was like, you know what, she's right. Like, no, you don't get to use your religious reasons for not being able to take care of somebody. Yeah. But yeah, they put us in all sorts of stuff. They, they sent us to schools for kids with disabilities and they were very much about community engagement, health, and just kind of putting us in the places where we could be the hands and feet of Jesus. So I really appreciated that about my nursing school. And so I think that them putting me in situations where I could talk to people and be exposed to different perspectives, different upbringings, different ways of living made me so much more, I guess, compassionate or like, able to see different perspectives in a way that I think a lot of that school was not able to see. So I'm Very much appreciative of my nursing education there.

[Monty]

Well, and I remember. I do remember that the nursing students were always working so hard. And I had a couple girls in my dorm that my first year that were in the nursing program and just, I mean, working all the time. One of them in particular, she always looked so tired. And I was just like, I want to help you, but I can't. But I love that perspective because for anyone who's listening, who's not familiar with Liberty, it's a very, very, very, very, very conservative school. And it's amazing to me that in that I didn't have a choice to go to Liberty. I was forced. So when I graduated high school, I had just turned 16. And so my dad's thing, even though I was paying for it, was, you're gonna go to Liberty your first year. Cause you're so young. And then after that you can transfer out and you can go somewhere else if you want to. Yeah. But for me, you know, I say the statement, sometimes it's hard to hate from an embrace. Meaning that when you're really. When you're close enough to see the humanness of someone else, it has a way of changing and shaping you. And I think that that's why we so often see when people are isolated and they don't travel and they don't meet new people, it's easy to scapegoat other groups or hate other groups. My perspective shift because I came in very much a Christian nationalist, very, very ultra super conservative. And it was literally just meeting students that came from different cities that had different experiences that were of different races that I had never had any interaction with. And it was really life shaping for me, even being in kind of that bubble of liberty to just hear new stories. Cause I'm from Wyoming, the stories are pretty homogenous. Everybody's kind of in the same boat. So I love that change of perspective. So what do you think change besides, you know, the increase in compassion? What beliefs did you hold that you felt like, changed between starting at Liberty and graduating from Liberty?

[Jen Hamilton]

Oh, yeah. So I think that first of all, I was kind of the person, a person who could kind of separate myself from politics completely. Like, I didn't see myself needing to know anything about that. Like, I very much would just go along with whatever the church said that we needed to, like, said was important or that we needed vote for, because I just kind of followed along. But one thing in particular that has really, really changed for me, and I wouldn't even say it was Liberty that did this. I would say that it's being with people during these moments as a labor and delivery nurse specifically was what pro life stood for. Because as a, as a. I don't even want to say child. Well, maybe a child child, adolescent, teen. I was all about. There is absolutely no reason why anyone would need an abortion like that. I was dead set on that and very, very firm because I. Why would you, like you're killing a baby. Like, why would. You know, that's terrible. That's awful. And it wasn't until I became a labor and delivery nurse and saw what that really meant for people and help, like helping someone to. Because I think that people don't really recognize what abortion can mean or what termination can mean. I mean, when you have someone who is, you know, 17 weeks pregnant, their water breaks. I've even had like an IVF baby at 17 weeks. Like, this is a desperately wanted baby. Water breaks, mom gets sick. There's. I mean, she's infected in her uterus. There's no scenario in which this fetus survives to, to viability. And she's faced with a choice of do I keep getting sicker or do I take a pill to put me into labor and to have the baby? I think that sometimes people think that termination means like putting a baby in a blender. That's not what happens. Most of the time it's just going into labor before viability. And so I started to have this like crisis of conscience. Like, okay, I've always stood against this, but am I going to be someone who doesn't provide this woman with the care that she has chosen for herself in order to stand on? What, what moral high ground is that to say that this woman's life doesn't matter as much as the fetus, which is not going to survive to viability anyways. That was the moment where I was like, oh, I was wrong, or oh, I didn't think about that, you know. And so there's so many different scenarios that I can point to at this point of, you know, having been a labor and delivery nurse for eight years, that if, if people could just come with me to work, if they could see what it means to say, no, you can't have this care. I think that it would change a lot of people's minds. And then I also kind of saw what the pro life movement stood against. That didn't make any sense to me. And I'm not going to say that they don't specific that they stand specifically against this, but they vote this way is like, hey, we're, we don't agree with kids getting lunch at school.

[Monty]

Right. Right.

[Jen Hamilton]

We're going to, we, we need to cut funding for health care or like, we need to make sure that people don't have access to community programs or welfare to make sure that they can care for these babies that we're demanding that they have. So I was like, this doesn't make any sense. Where's the pro life in that? So that really, really shifted my perspective because I was like, hey, if the, if the point is that we don't want abortion to happen, which. Okay, I'll follow people down that road. Okay, you want abortion to be less. Okay. We don't want this to happen. We should not make it illegal. We should make it unnecessary. Right. Through things like comprehensive sex education for our adolescents who are learning about their bodies and knowing how to protect themselves. It should be through community and welfare programs to make sure that if it's for a financial decision that people feel supported that they, if they wanted to pursue that pregnancy that they could, you know, and through health care. Because a lot of, a lot of barriers to having babies is having adequate health care. So to me, pro life movement should be less about, you know, let's put these women in jail.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

For choosing and more. How can we come around you and support you if this is something you want for your life? So to me, that was, that was like my, my biggest perspective shift on something that I was really, really die hard, believed, and then trying and then there's like this kind of watery situation where it's like, I don't know what I believe right now. And then now kind of coming out the end of it. I believe in health care. I believe in comprehensive sex education. I believe in free access to birth control. I think that we should protect people in a way that if they don't want an unintended pregnancy, let's help that help that happen for them. So that was the biggest shift for the world.

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[Monty]

Me and I resonate so much with that because I was the same where I. I was someone who didn't even believe in exceptions for rape and incest. I just, you know, I would very much. I was like, two wrongs don't make a right. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jen Hamilton]

The baby didn't do anything wrong.

[Monty]

Yep. All of those talking points. And, you know, I was engaged at the time. And his half sister turned up pregnant. She was 12. She'd been being molested by her mom's boyfriend for three years. So since she was nine. And it was this same as with you, it's this huge perspective shift of what does pro life mean? She is a little kid. She could die from this. She's already been in three years of torture by this adult man. And that was kind of a first big moment for me where I actually started looking into it before, to your point, I just kind of went with what the church said. I went with what dad said. I wanted to do the right thing. And when you start looking at it and you see how nuanced it is. Right. And also there's all this rhetoric about, you know, they're going in with a vacuum and sucking out pieces of the baby. And it's just like, that's not, that's not how this, like.

[Jen Hamilton]

Right.

[Monty]

It's like, to your point, it's like, no, you go into labor early, you have to make a decision, you know, and it was such a shift for me. I started researching that we have. There's this ideology that if you're pro choice, then you just want all the abortions in the world to happen.

[Jen Hamilton]

Right?

[Monty]

And I'm like, no, I would love for abortions to become obsolete. I would love for them to never have to happen. Because that means our health care is so good, that women are so safe, it's unnecessary. It means that we've figured out how to, like, make sure we don't have these emergency situations. But we already know that what reduces abortions is birth control and sex ed. We've. We've proven that over and over. But then I see to your point, I see people who claim to be pro life, but once that baby's here. They don't want any resources. Yeah, they don't want any resources going to it. Even in Tennessee right now, they're trying to pass a bill that would allow for foster children who have never committed a crime to be housed in detention centers. Essentially throwing these. And the bill is phrased of at risk of violent behavior. That could be a kid having a bad day. And then somebody decides to throw them because they've put their money instead of in programs to help foster kids, they've put them into making more beds at detention centers. So they're trying to lock these kids up, which is going to predispose them to drug addiction, you know, teen pregnancy crime, because we know that already. And it's just, I look at it and I'm like, this is not it. And I don't know if you saw this, but the head of CPACT was on Piers Morgan and they were talking about the bombing of the Iranian SchoolGirls that the US has, you know, been shown to be guilty of. And the. He says in the interview, he says, well, it's better off that way because they would have been alive in a burqa on tv, like on national tv. He says this, and I made the same face you did. I'm like, what did he just say? But it's very much this idea of, to me is kind of this underpin of I support you as long as you do things my way. I support you as long as you're married. We also had a woman in Tennessee who was turned away for prenatal care from a clinic because she's not married to her partner of 15 years. They have multiple children. They've been together for 15 years. And I look at that and I was like, how is that. How can you say something like that but then also claim that you're pro life, Right? And it's just kind of this ongoing contradiction of I would love to see abortions never have to happen, but I know they do. And I know that, you know, as far as safety and you know this, like you and doctors are going to be much more equipped to make that decision than a lawyer is.

[Jen Hamilton]

Right?

[Monty]

Why does someone have to go septic before they can get care? It's crazy. It's actually crazy and like, very, very scary.

[Jen Hamilton]

I'm pro. I'm pro abortion in the way that I'm pro appendectomy. You know what I'm saying?

[Monty]

Right? Like, when you need it, you need it.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, cool, go do that. But it's not like I'm going out here and saying you want an appendectomy, right?

[Monty]

Exactly. Do you want to just get one for funsies? And that's, you know, that's the other thing. People like, oh, people are getting abortions, you know, using abortions as birth control. And I'm like, no one's doing that. Yeah, it's expensive, it's tedious, it's embarrassing, painful. You get sick. No one's doing that. That's not a real thing. I would love your take as well, because we're talking about, you know, having universal birth control. And I think birth control should be free because, I mean, you, you don't want unwanted pregnancies. I have a solution for you. Perception is often very different than fact. And in a world of conflicting, sometimes outrageous opinions, screamed very loudly and very confidently. The only way to know the truth of the matter is to be able to actually look at the data. Most working women in the US believe they are disadvantaged when it comes to earning competitive wages. But many men have a different view. Most employed women, about six in 10, say men have more opportunities when it comes to earning competitive wages, while about one third think neither gender has an advantage. And about 3 in 10 employed women say they have had personally experienced wage discrimination because of their gender. Now, employed men, very, very divided. About 4 in 10 believe men have an advantage when it comes to wages. About half think both genders have about the same opportunities. And 1 in 10 say that women actually have more opportunities. Just about 1 in 10 men say that they have personally experienced wage discrimination because of their gender. Well, what's really true, as it turns out, especially last year, with the rollback of dei, many investigations actually investigating claims that white men were discriminated against, we actually have the numbers. Last year, men's wages for the same careers with the Same credentials increased 3.7% while women's did not. Women on average earn about 80.9% of what a man earns, even if she has the same level of credentials, experience and time served on the job. It's really important that as claims come out to us from all different social media platforms, different news sources, different talking heads, that we're able to find the actual data, that we're able to look a little bit deeper and find what is the real answer to this question. As these type of claims, these type of conflicts, these type of cultural wars come to a head right before the midterms, is more important than ever to be able to have reliable information that you can fact check and understand the truth behind the claims. And that's what ground news is for. Ground news takes hundreds and hundreds and thousands of articles every day, consolidated them into themes so that you can look at all of the coverage on a single story that you're following, that you can look at all of the coverage and also see who owns that media source, how factual do they tend to be, who's reporting on this and who's not so that we can have more informed conversations, more informed decision making and more informed voting come November. To use this resource that I use every single day, multiple times a day, you can get 40% off their vantage plan, which comes to about $5 a month by subscribing at groundnews.com/tables. But what do you think? Because you're on social media, all of this kind of anti birth control, I call it propaganda that's been showing up is like, oh, how convenient that they give us birth control and then IVF became this multi million dollar industry. Or oh, how convenient birth control gives us all these side effects. Step into your divine feminine by getting off birth control. What do you think of all of that?

[Jen Hamilton]

I think that it comes from a place of just like you said, propaganda. But it's all in the plan. Because if we can get women to be at home with the children, they don't have access to being in the world like they would. If not, I, I mean I've got many opinions about the SAVE Act. I've got so many opinions.

[Monty]

So we got time. We got time. I've got so much time.

[Jen Hamilton]

I just think it's, it's all, it all lines up so perfectly with Project 2025 and making sure that we, it's the closest thing that we can get right now to, to repealing the 19th Amendment. That's what I'm saying.

[Monty]

Yeah. Because it would be very difficult for them to change a congressional or congressional constitutional amendment. And they know that. And this is the closest they can get. And if they can get you off birth control, they can. You know, typically the encouragement is to get married super young, have kids super young. You don't have a work history, you don't have a means to resources, you're less likely to pursue higher education. So you can't get a job that pays you enough to take care of your children if you need to leave. It's a trap. It is a trap. Because if they weren't worried about women choosing, like if they weren't intimidated by women or they felt like what they're offering was really that compelling, there would be no need for Force and coercion and to manipulate the laws. It, it, it just wouldn't exist because the, and also kind of the undertone of it. And RFK did this too recently where he was talking about, you know, we gotta do something about the iced coffees these teen girls are drinking. Which was like a weird, it was a weird thing to be like uber specific about, but also like as if teen boys don't drink like an iced Frappuccino or a monster energy drink or you know, whatever. But it's this idea because of course birth control has side effects. Any medication we take is going to have side effects. But the underpinning of this rhetoric, especially coming from the administration, is not we need to make sure people know the side effects so that they can make an informed decision. It's we have to protect women because they can't make this decision on their own. We have to protect them because they don't know any better. That's what it is. It's infantilizing women to say that women are not capable of making an informed choice knowing the effects of birth control. And that underpinning is very similar to, you know, Victorian era laws that were banned women from owning property, banned women from civil service. And what they would say was, we, you know, women are so frail for the cruelty of this world, we have to protect them from these sectors. And I see that and it makes my stomach hurt. And I'm someone who, I have an iud, I've had one for.

[Jen Hamilton]

I would marry my Morena. I love her.

[Monty]

Oh my God, she's like the best. She is my best friend. And I ended up about, I think it's almost been 10 years now that I've had one. And I was dealing with really severe pcos. And I was working as an exercise physiologist in a gym. So I was working as like the midway point between a physical therapist and the trainer. And so I was active and I would be in so much pain, I couldn't like lift the weights I need to lift. I couldn't move plates that I needed to be able to do. And I went and went to the doctor and they did all the scans and they're like, you've got this going on and really the only treatment we have is birth control. It's one of the very few medicines we have for reproductive dysfunction. And I was like, listen, I'm not going to remember to take a pill every day. Like, I'm just, I know me, I know me. It's not going to happen. The IUD has been the best thing that's ever happened to me. It's so great.

[Jen Hamilton]

So, yeah. So after. Okay. And this is a little bit of Jen Hamilton lore. I got pregnant one of the very first times that I ever did adult gymnastics. Okay. So. And I was a Virginia right before that. Okay. Obviously. So, yeah. I. My intro to my sexual self was hard and fast. Let me tell you.

[Monty]

Yeah. If you get pregnant right away.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah. And I was at Liberty. Oh, did you know that?

[Monty]

Yeah, I did not know that part.

[Jen Hamilton]

I found out that I was pregnant, like, two weeks before I graduated. So I. Beep, beep, kept my mouth until I got my diploma because I've had friends get kicked out of Liberty for getting their boyfriends didn't, but they did.

[Monty]

Yep. That's all. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So many girls got kicked out. If they found out you were pregnant, you'd get kicked out. There was also, like, an incident with the hockey team where there was, like, a. Like, a gang rape situation. None of the players got in trouble. She got kicked out for, like, a false accusation, even though there was plenty of evidence that it had happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

So I, you know, went through this pregnancy, and then right after, you know, I'd never been on birth control in my life. They're like, what kind of birth control do you want? I was like, I can't take a pill. It's. I'm not going to remember it. It's not going to happen. I know that I will get pregnant immediately because I'm so bad at pills. So my OB GYN goes to put my IUD in. Now, I don't know what your experience was. It was awful, right? I. It was terrible to get put in, and I passed out. And whenever I passed out, I, like, kicked my OBGYN with my legs, like, pushing out so fast and hard just from clamping down. And I woke up and I was like, did you do it? He's like, no, you kicked me. And I was like, well, what are we going to do? He's like, you're going on pills. I was like, no. So what I did was. All right, I want you to pretend that this is a pack of birth control pills.

[Monty]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Jen Hamilton]

I taped it to my phone. I literally taped the entire pack of birth control pills to my phone and set an alarm because I have my phone on me all the time.

[Monty]

Yep.

[Jen Hamilton]

And it worked for three years. Mom's like, you look like you have sex a lot. I was like, I do.

[Monty]

Yes.

[Jen Hamilton]

She was so embarrassed That I did it, but it worked for three years. And then I did miss one pill by eight hours. And then that's my second son.

[Monty]

Oh, my God. Very fertile, Jen. Very fertile.

[Jen Hamilton]

I've had this, I've been on this one IUD for almost 10 years now. So, yep, I need to get it replaced. But I do love my iud. It's lovely. I don't have any periods.

[Monty]

I don't have periods either. I haven't had a period in a decade. And let me tell you something. I will give you some Monte Laura on this one. So I get this. And you know, and it helps so much. Like, I had really. And you can still see some of the packing on my face, but I had really bad adult onset acne. I, like, was just not. PCOS was running me through the wringer and I started feeling better and I was just like, oh, my God, this is great. And I get three to four months in. And I had always had very irregular periods. I was never someone who could predict mine. And I realized I'm like, I haven't had my period in like four months. And the doctor had told me, some women don't have periods, some do. It just depends. And I was like, you mean to tell me that this is how men live all the time? And I remember storming through the house and being like, I never want to

[Jen Hamilton]

hear another complaint ever again.

[Monty]

I was raging because I just, I

[Jen Hamilton]

was like, what do you mean?

[Monty]

This is how they, they like feel normal all the weeks of the month, every month. What do you mean?

[Jen Hamilton]

It's like having a superpower.

[Monty]

It's having a superpower. It's absolutely amazing. It's so amazing. So it's been, it's been great for me. And that's the one of the things I think that makes me really scared about the propaganda, especially for young women that are kind of buying into this, of like, dude, yes, there are side effects. Some people don't handle birth control or certain forms of birth control well. But it can also be life changing for you if you have conditions or if you are dealing with some of these other things or if you just don't want to get pregnant. A lot of people don't have any side effects whatsoever. And so it's. It makes me very, very nervous in that sense because. And to your point, and so much of what I love about your platform is you model this beautiful compassion and kindness. Like what I believe is the core of what Christ taught of love your neighbor. And when Jesus was asked, who's my Neighbor. He gives an example of a man who's from a different country, different race, different religion, and we're now living in. I've been seeing all this stuff on Christian nationalist platforms where they're like, oh, there's groups of people we're not called to love. And I'm like, in what Bible are you reading? Where. And so it's so saddening to me. And I think that both young women and young men are kind of getting caught in the crossfire. Young men are getting scooped up into these far right movements and young women are really getting pushed towards, you know, being a stay at home wife. Don't get on birth control, which, there's nothing wrong with that. That's a wonderful thing. But it's not.

[Jen Hamilton]

I want you to be able to choose that for yourself, you know?

[Monty]

Yes. Choose it for yourself. And God forbid your husband's abusive or he passes away, I want you to have options to get out. Because that, that's just how it happens sometimes. Did you have. When you were in the nursing program at Liberty, did you have any interactions with the godparent home?

[Jen Hamilton]

Oh, let me tell you.

[Monty]

Oh, I'm ready.

[Jen Hamilton]

Okay. So it wasn't when I was in the nursing program, it was before that. So, okay. I had, in student life camp situations, they. They talked about the Liberty godparent home, and I was like, what an incredible thing. Right? So I painted the Liberty godparent home on the inside. Like they, they had us as a youth group go and paint the inside of the Liberty godparent home. And I remember feeling weird in there. Like it felt like these girls were encouraged to act like we were really saving them or like, I don't know, it just, it was this weird, like, power dynamic feel like that they were less than, I guess was kind of how it felt in there.

[Monty]

Like you were the good kids and they weren't.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yes, yes, yes, exactly. So when we hold on, my hip is really give me trouble. Okay. It got caught up. Okay. So when I was there, I was like, oh my gosh, this is so incredible. Like, they're giving these girls a second chance at life, you know, and, you know, these babies are being saved and, you know, they get a full ride to Liberty if they go through. And when I was there at Liberty, I started feeling more like that's kind of weird that they, you know, that there's so many, like, adoptions coming out of here. Like, you know, I just, I don't know, it just felt really odd and that they're all going to like these white couples that, you know, I don't know, it just. I couldn't put my finger on what I felt. But then listening to the Liberty Lost podcast, I was like, aha. That's what I was feeling. And then you. And then you kind of come into like everything comes into focus about the ickiness of it all and, and trauma and just downright torture that some of these girls went through. Abuse, you know.

[Monty]

Yeah.

[Jen Hamilton]

So that was my experience with, with the godparent home. I've been in it, I've painted it, I interacted with the girls there. But I think that it needs to be shut down.

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[Monty]

Yeah, agreed. And I felt the same way because I remember I would take a training run and I would run right by the godparent home, felt the same way, was like, oh, what an amazing way to make sure these young girls have support. And for those of you that maybe haven't heard my Wayward Girls episode. The godparent home is like a mom and baby home where teen girls get sent when they get pregnant and they are encouraged to adopt out their children with the promise of a full ride scholarship to liberty if they go through with that adoption. But there's a lot of coercion. There's a lot of forcing women to sign or forcing girls to sign documents without a guardian or a lawyer presentation or right after isolation, isolation if they don't do what the godparent home wants them to do, preventing them from communicating to their families, even things like having them sign paperwork during or right after labor. Very, very coercive, very dangerous, very abusive. And unfortunately, since the Dobbs decision, those kind of homes have been starting to pop up all over the country again. And they typically, these infants get farmed out, for lack of a better term, to influential Christian conservative middle class and up white families. And it's, it's really damaging.

[Jen Hamilton]

I think that supporting girls through pregnancy is, is an important thing. However. Yeah, there's a, there's a. I don't know whether, whether I should call it a shelter. I don't know what I should call it, but there's this place near me called my sister Susan's house, and it's a place where girls who are unhoused and pregnant can go for shelter, safety and they will support them through whatever decision they want to make. And they can stay there for up to two years with their babies if they, if they choose to, you know, parent. Now, they lost all of their federal funding because they would not push these girls to marry their abusers.

[Monty]

Oh my God.

[Jen Hamilton]

What was part. Yeah, so in their federal grant application this year, or I should say the 2025 version, there was new language in there that they had to answer of how do you push marriage? Or like, how do you advocate for marriage as, as one man and one woman? And they would not say that they educate their girls, that they need to marry these people and they lost all of their federal funding.

[Monty]

That's insane. Yeah, that's insane. And like, also very homophobic too. I love when, I love when, whenever I hear the whole, you know, biblical marriage is one man, one woman, I was like, okay, so we talking about Abraham with Sarah and Hagar or David's eight wives or Lot with his daughters or David with Bathsheba or Kings, which biblical marriage? David and Jonathan, who he himself said has it's better love than that of a woman. Not saying they did anything, but that's an interesting way to Phrase it. That's an interesting way to phrase it. And it's just. It's insane that this. There's this push, and it's coming from the Heritage Foundation. They just released another thing in January about, you know, saving America by saving the family. And it's really about creating an environment where single parents can't thrive. Penalizing single people, sending people to marriage camps. That's the whole thing. You're literally sending people to, like, adult Bible camp, essentially, to, like, find a partner. Like, it's. It's the most nonsensical. They also have, like, a. They want to introduce a. Like a loan structure for young newlyweds. So if you get married young, at a certain age, you get, like, a Trump administration loan that gets forgiven based on how many kids you have, which is exactly what. Which is exactly what the Nazis did. And I was like, like, literally, exactly. The numbers are even, almost the same. And I was like, guys, wait a minute.

[Jen Hamilton]

I've seen this film before.

[Monty]

Yeah, it's, like, weird. I don't remember it ending well last time. And it's like, to do anything other than make it so families can financially survive, right? Like that. A family can afford a home, they can afford groceries, they can afford to send their kids to school. Don't fix any of that. But then be outraged at the childless cat ladies who are like, I can't afford to have a kid. You know, it's so crazy. I can't. It's awful. It's awful.

[Jen Hamilton]

Every day a new surprise, right?

[Monty]

You know, the horrors persist, and therefore, so do I. But I, like, it's. It's interesting because I think. I think so often we're. We're put culturally in this position where if you follow Christ or you're a Christian or you just honor his teachings in any way, you have to align, according to Christian nationalists, with this very conservative line of thinking. And I think that you so clearly demonstrate that that's not the case. And I would also love to talk about what recently happened on your flight.

[Jen Hamilton]

Oh, yeah.

[Monty]

Because that story made me so happy. I was on a cloud for the rest of the day. And I was like, this is how all of us, like, could and should be in life. But I will just let you tell that whole story.

[Jen Hamilton]

Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that. So I was on a flight from LA to Raleigh, which is a pretty long flight, and I don't normally fly first class. However, I had all these credits that I needed to use in four days, and so I had, like, canceled a trip for from last year or something. And so I had just a few days to use them. So my sister and I unexpectedly got to, you know, level up to the first class. So we were flying back home from la, and, you know, I'm getting settled in my seat and my sister's sitting behind me, and I'm like, on the. So if you're, like, walking onto the plane, I'm, like, on the right as, like, at a window seat, and I start to hear commotion. And I'm always one to perk my ears up if there's commotion on a plane, because I think one of two things. One, there's a medical emergency, and I'm about to be called. Yep, I'm about to be called. And then the other is, am I in danger going on and I need to get off this plane. So I started to perk up, and I'm listening to yelling of like, this is not right. Absolutely not. I was like, what's not right? Absolutely not. What? So I kind of, like, lift my head up and I'm trying to look, and I can't really see too much. But I hear a man say, there's this thing called the Americans with Disabilities act, and I can have my service animal. And I was like, I know somebody's not messing with this man who has a service animal. Surely not. And what ended up being the problem was that there was this family who brought their. I'm going to call it a service animal because that's what they called it. I cannot confirm nor deny, but they were upset that they were going to be sitting near this man with blindness who also had a service animal. Now, here's my thing. If you have a truly trained surface animal, that animal is not going to care, doesn't have a problem. Another animal on the flight at all, to their dog's credit, that dog did not care either. Like, everyone was fine except for the people, right? So the dog, their dog was chill. This other seeing eye dog was very chill. But this family was just escalating, escalating, escalating. So they call over a flight attendant, and the flight attendant says, I'm going to escalate this to a Delta red coat is what they called him. And he walks away. And I'm thinking, is the problem that he. That they just don't want to sit next to him? Is that the problem? So I stand up and I was like, I will sit next to him. And then they acted like I was a sacrificial lamb. Like, oh, thank you. So I'm getting The better end of

[Monty]

this deal, I get to sit by a dog, right?

[Jen Hamilton]

What are you talking about? So I went over and I asked, his name is Ed. I said, ed, can I sit with you? And he's like, hey, can I slide over? Because it was more helpful for him to slide over to the window. I was like, absolutely. And we proceeded to have the most awesome flight ever where we talked. I don't like talking on a plane, I'm gonna tell you that. Like, please don't make small talk with me. Like, I just wanna. I just wanna relax.

[Monty]

I have. I have what I call plane collapse, meaning as soon as those engines come on. There is something about the hum of a plane. I'm out, lights out. I. It is so hard for me to stay awake on a plane. I'm just like.

[Jen Hamilton]

It's so funny that you say that because, like, white noise on my phone for when I travel, and it's called plane cabin, that's what I want to hear is, like, that I'm out. Yeah. So I thoroughly, 100% enjoyed sitting next to Ed, and I got to learn all about him. His name is Ed Summers. He is the head of accessibility at GitHub, which I'd never heard of before, but apparently it's a huge company. He's a tech guy, and he makes tech accessible to people with disabilities. And it was so fascinating to sit next to him because, like, he's got his phone out and, you know, he's completely blind, and so the phone black. And so I just see him like, beep, boop, beep, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Like, doing stuff on the phone. And I leaned over, I was like, you. You got to tell me how that works, because I'm so confused. So he made his phone accessible to me where I could see what he was doing. And there's all these, like, different commands that he can use with his fingers on the phone to know where everything is. And it was just so fast. So we. We stayed in contact. We got each other's phone number. He lives close enough for us to get together again. And so I love to happen for dinner at some point, but one thing that I love to do is turn lemons into lemonade. So we are selling merch that 100 of the proceeds go to the Seeing Eye, which is the brand name, I guess, of the dog training company that Ed's dog Loki is from. And we just hope to make these dogs more accessible and help train more puppies. And, man, it was just such an honor to be able to sit next to him.

[Monty]

That's so awesome. I remember seeing the video and I

[Jen Hamilton]

was like, you go, girl.

[Monty]

But it's the same thing. And it very easily could have been like, if the family was nervous about their dog, they could have said, you know, is it possible we can switch with someone? And we're just a little nervous about. But. And I remember seeing the video, they were getting so riled up.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah.

[Monty]

For no reason. And it made it even more annoying that, like, they themselves had a service animal with them, but were mad that he had his. Like, you more than anyone should understand that.

[Jen Hamilton]

Right.

[Monty]

But here we are. Here we are.

[Jen Hamilton]

So odd. But I. I was. I'm so grateful to them for making a big deal because I would have missed out on the opportunity to meet an incredible guy.

[Monty]

I love that. And I love. There is. You can go to Jen Hamilton's page kind of anywhere, and it's. Is it on Instagram? Is it Jen underscore Hamilton or is it just Jen Hamilton?

[Jen Hamilton]

You just type in Jen Hamilton. You'll find me.

[Monty]

Yeah. So you can go to her page and support seeing dogs with really, really cute merch with little puppies on it. And it's awesome. It's just a great story and it makes me feel good. So my kind of is. We're like kind of segue towards the end here how, you know, we are living in an environment that's really scary. I was out of the country for a while. I came back in, and you could just feel it as soon as you come back in the States. It's like, I can't breathe. I feel nauseous. A lot of really scary stuff. The SAVE act, what's going on with women's rights, you know, conflict in Southwest Asia. When everything is going on like this and it's really dark, what is keeping you hopeful for the future?

[Jen Hamilton]

I think it's recognizing that there's more love in this world than hate. The hate is just really loud. You know, I think that when I do things like these fundraisers or, you know, drawing attention to certain things that are important, the, like, absolute tsunami of support for things that people can hope for and can hope in is so life giving to me that I don't feel alone anymore. I just feel like there's so many of us who feel the same way that we want to do good in this world that, you know, we crave for something happy to. To look for. And I think that just knowing that we aren't alone is. Is so helpful in Being able to maintain it for another day, you know and just to go on to the, to the next thing that we need to be helping in. I just think there's so many helpers and that just fills my soul. I love that.

[Monty]

And my last question. Who is running the Yellowstone TikTok promotion page? Do we know who that is?

[Jen Hamilton]

I know his first name. I don't know, I don't know if I'm allowed to say it but tell

[Monty]

me the story of Yellowstone so everybody has context. If you haven't seen the absolute chaos that is coming from the Yellowstone social media.

[Jen Hamilton]

I don't even know that I fully understand the lore behind this account.

[Monty]

I don't either because I went and I was looking at other videos and I was like what is happening?

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, it's such chaos and I love it. It's so good. The guy that runs it, I mean it, it's not an official Yellowstone page but it is definitely got enough followers to be the official Yellowstone page.

[Monty]

Official page.

[Jen Hamilton]

Now he will stitch videos, many videos of mine appreciating my backside. My, my southern hemisphere and man is it funny. I just, I'm just honored. And also it's, it just cracks me up to see all of the absolute chaos that he puts out into the world. Have you also seen these other national parks works popping up on Tick Tock? No competing. Yes.

[Monty]

Oh this is amazing.

[Jen Hamilton]

Niagara Falls, Cherokee National Forest. Like there's too many of them now. Sequoia. It's like a thing. They're like competing against each other now for the most chaotic wild, sexual. It is like the.

[Monty]

Because I saw yours where it, it starts on your video and then it switches to the Yellowstone mountains and is like come out here. The mountains are thick too. I don't remember the song that was playing in the background but then there was another one where it's again it's this beautiful Yellowstone landscape and it's like come get your candles blown out at Yellowstone. And I was like what is happening?

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[Jen Hamilton]

Oh, it just. It's something else that brings me life. It's just like a way to escape from the. From the craziness of the world. It's like, you know what? And Yellowstone is out here doing their thing, you know, it is.

[Monty]

And. And it. It was. It just. When I saw that, I was like, you've got. And I had to, like, go find the original video because I'm like, there's no way that that came out. And it did. It sure did. And in a world where after you released that video, reading from The Bible, Matthew 25, you spoke at an event where you had to have private security because of what happened. So give me a little bit of a. Some details about what happened, like the response, the negative response to that video and why you ended up having to have that security.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, Maga was mad at Jen Hamilton. I was not just reported to my job, like, a lot my. You know, the actual hospital where I work, but also to the board of nursing. Like, they tried to get my nursing license taken away.

[Monty]

Because you read from the Bible.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yes, because they said it was hateful and discriminatory is what it was.

[Monty]

And literally, just so you guys, if you guys haven't seen this video, literally what she does is she walks through her house, she opens her Bible, she reads the passage she says sounds pretty liberal to me. And turns the phone off. That's the video. That's all she did.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah. And so right after that, I was supposed to be speaking at a nursing conference, and I had had so many, like, threats that. And I didn't ask for this specifically. They're like, you know, we want to make sure that you're safe. What do you need? And what I thought was going to happen was that just somebody from the conference would kind of just walk around. Like, one of my friends from the conference would just, like, I wouldn't be alone. Like, that was the. What I thought was going to happen. They hired literal private bodyguard to be with me. And so he was, you know, he's like 6, 3, 6, 4, big, big guy in a suit. I felt so ridiculous because I didn't feel like I was that special to have all that. But we had a great time. We had a super great time together. And then I Made a, a video to let me tell you about my best friend. Yeah. So. Because he's always just right there, me talking to somebody and he's right there and he's right there. So yeah, we had a good time. It was all, it was all fine. But I hope, man, for his and I's both sake, I hope I don't have to do that again just because that would mean that that kind of stuff is happening again. So I hope, I hope that I can handle it on my own. Not because I didn't enjoy with him. If he ever wants to hang out with me, that is okay with me. But yeah, wild time in my life, it was.

[Monty]

That's just so insane.

[Jen Hamilton]

And have that as, as a, as a consequence of, you know, having to keep myself safe was crazy.

[Monty]

Insane. Insane. Yeah. I just like, I don't want to miss that part. But really quick before we wrap up, I would love for you to tell listeners about your book that comes out in May.

[Jen Hamilton]

Yeah, thank you so much. So I wrote a book called Birth Vibes. And it's. The first half of it are like real, actual things that have happened. As a labor and delivery nurse, I did make them HIPAA compliant. So I would take like two or three patients and kind of mesh them together to make a new patient, hypothetical, new hypothetical patient. So like the things that happened in there are real, but the specific scenarios or not, if that makes sense. Yeah. And it's all about trying to plan your birth around the things that won't change. So a lot of people come in to have babies and they're very specific and set on exactly what they want to happen and not so much how they want their birth to happen. Which means that, you know, if things start to go sideways or things start to go different than you thought, you could leave with grief, trauma, disappointment, sadness about your birth experience. But if we plan your birth around the other things that are not as likely to change, like what kind of communication do you need to feel like you are being heard and listened to? What information do you need to be able to make decisions for yourself that you can be confident in? Who are you bringing with you and what are they doing for you? How do you advocate for yourself if you feel like things are going different than. Than you wanted them to? What questions do you need answered before you leave that experience to have all of your, your birth story fulfilled in your mind so that you're not making things negative that were kind of normal? So it's called Birth Vibes. It comes out May 5th and I really hope it helps people.

[Monty]

I'm very excited. I'm very excited. And very last thing, in a world full of a lot of discouragement and fear, what would be the one thing that you would say, especially to young people living in this new scary world, about what the future can look like?

[Jen Hamilton]

I think that it can be very easy to get focused on the negative and about how easy it is to kind of feel like the world is caving in, because it does feel like that sometimes. But I feel like if you look for those around you who are helpers and you kind of focus on instead of like, man, everything is terrible. What can I do to change that? Or what can be in my friend? Even if it's something small, I feel like there's so many ripple effects from just small choices of kindness that can make such a difference in this world that feels so scary right now.

[Monty]

Amen to that. And where can everyone find you if

[Jen Hamilton]

you look up Jen Hamilton. I should be pretty easy to find Jen with one in Hamilton and everyone,

[Monty]

I hope that this encouraged you. I hope that it reminded us to have compassion for our neighbors, to find love and joy and good things that are happening, like fundraisers for Seeing Eye Dogs. And remember that love is much stronger than hate, even if hate is louder at the moment. And I will see you next week on Flipping Tables. Thank you so much, Jen, for being here.

[Jen Hamilton]

Thank you, Monty.

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