C (2:09)

But out of. Out of respect for you and Spade. The last time I saw Spade, we. We were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me, I've been on every show a million times. I'm ban for them now. Hear about me. Tina Fey hates me.

A (2:25)

Tina hates you.

C (2:27)

Hates you.

A (2:28)

Hold on.

C (2:29)

So does the blonde.

B (2:30)

The cuddliest cuddly bear.

A (2:32)

Amy Poehler.

B (2:33)

Oh, so does the blonde me.

C (2:35)

Hey,

B (2:38)

Dana. Bill O'Reilly is on today. Bill O'Reilly who is interesting guest for us. A little different off the beaten path. Friends with Dennis Miller. That's where I met him, Billy. And has books out. Lots of books out. He's Very much a thinker and a doer. And he says he's an independent. I mean, a lot of people, including myself, were thinking, oh, you're obviously right politically. And he says that was kind of shocking.

A (3:11)

He really. What we talked about was his latest book was about the history of kind of evil people, like Genghis Khan and stuff. And it's a very easy read, but it's really informative, you know, how much, you know about all these, you know, Napoleon or all these people who did evil things.

B (3:29)

Yeah, he does have. Napoleon was in there, a deep knowledge of history. We didn't really get into too much politics, but which is good. You know, we just talked about the books and about Dennis and about. He does love comedy. And so I thought it was a nice chat.

A (3:46)

Yeah. And he, he does talk to Trump on the phone twice a month. So he says. So some insightful things about the man who occupies the White House.

B (3:57)

Yeah.

A (3:57)

If you're interested, I think it'll be fun to listen to.

B (4:00)

It's a fun listen. And here he is, Bill O'Reilly.

A (4:04)

Bill O'Reilly. I feel like I'm on your show. This is really funny. You've got a nice studio tie on

C (4:15)

now. I'm watching you guys here.

B (4:18)

Can't hear me. Can't hear us.

C (4:20)

Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bat cave. You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia.

A (4:29)

Yes.

B (4:29)

Yeah.

A (4:31)

You gotta have plants in podcasts.

C (4:33)

Yeah, absolutely. Because most people your interview are potted plants anyway.

B (4:38)

Oh, my gosh.

A (4:39)

She's two in a row.

C (4:40)

How old are you? I'm 17. This will be. And thanks for having me on, you guys. I really appreciate.

A (4:48)

We're excited to talk to you. You're never, ever boring, ever.

C (4:52)

Well, you know, that's probably true, but I know that you have access to the Kardashians, and I'm very, very flattered to be here.

A (5:03)

That's right, we do. By the way, I'm really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this, because I have a lot of other questions, secular questions about society and all that. Sure. But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone confronting evil. I'm. I'm a casual history buff, but you realize you don't really know. I love the way it's written. I. I read Genghis Khan first. It's very nice inter sentences. It's very clear. It moves, it has a thesis. And they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping. So I'm just really enjoying It. I read Mao this morning, so I'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity.

B (5:44)

You read all the fun parts first.

A (5:46)

It's you get bite sized chapters, quote unquote, and you can go anywhere you want, but it's just the most evil people in history. So anyway, that's my pitch.

C (5:55)

You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady. I mean Satan. And I was commiserating with the church lady and she demanded that I write Confronting Evil to get all the evil out there and, and what the church lady commands, I do. So I talked everybody to know that

A (6:20)

I talked to her before I came out. I can only paraphrase it. Well, well, well. Mr. Bill O'Reilly writes a book about naughty people when he could have been writing about himself self. There you go. Everyone wants a church lady to sing her. So anyway, how are you? Where are you in your cycle? I knew you'd be early on the podcast and you seem to have unlimited energy. So what are you, are you going to take a nap after this podcast? I am.

C (6:49)

I may take a nap during the podcast.

B (6:52)

That's what most of the.

C (6:55)

But out of, out of respect for you and Spade. The last time I saw Spade, we, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. I don't know whether he remembers that we were one of those big stores on Beverly Boulevard.

B (7:08)

Oh, it was Barney's.

C (7:10)

Yeah, he stashed a little shirt in his sweatshirt. I think I had some silverware in my pants. And we kind of just ran into

B (7:19)

each other right on the stairs. I knew I had up to $1,000, so nobody cared. I ran out of there. No Barney's clothes. It was sad. It was sad. I couldn't waste money anymore.

C (7:32)

But anyway, you know, my cycle is interesting. I'm kind of a little bit like you guys, but you're much more talented than I am. So what we do here, once I left FOX News was I said, look, I'm gonna, I've been working for Corporations now for 42 years, and I'm gonna do it on my own now. I'm gonna go out. So I, I, I did three corporations, one tv, one radio, and one book and Internet, social media. And I took five people from FOX with me and then we grew it. 60 people worked for me. 6, 0 now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you could probably see, and my friends are all driving around in cars and playing pickleball. And I said, are you really hitting the pickles? I mean, what are you doing? What is that, yeah, but I'm working like a Sherpa. I mean, I would rather be taking luggage up the Himalayas than doing what I'm doing now.

B (8:31)

Sometimes working for someone is okay, but

C (8:33)

sometimes, yeah, but at least I'm calling my own shots, you know?

A (8:39)

Well, that trend has only accelerated exponentially since you started. And Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they create their own ecosystem and there's no difference. And everybody's watching everything on YouTube. And so, I mean, to me, to not for you to have a boss doesn't seem correct.

C (9:01)

Well, I never really had one other than. But there were some big boys, like Roon Arledge. He was the guy that started Monday Night Football. Howard Cosell, and then it was Roger Ailes. You tough guys. They were like, Michaels for you guys.

B (9:15)

Sure.

C (9:15)

I mean, you could go up against them, but you better have your stuff together. But I was never a corporate guy. So I stayed at Fox for more than 20 years, banked a lot of money, and then I said, I'm going to try to do this on my own because of the technology, and it's worked great. And not only that, but the freedom that we have because you're in the same in business now is just for me, emotionally, really a boost. That's where I get my energy. So I was in LA over the weekend with Mary.

B (9:51)

Yeah.

C (9:51)

Yes, his dopey show. You know, he. He works for HBO now. He's got autonomy like crazy. He's been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you know, a thousand writers and all of this, but he's still got that corporate structure. You know, he still has to go to the meetings and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm saying, hey, Mark, you probably make more money just doing this on your own. Which he's starting to do.

A (10:24)

Right, With Club Random, with the podcast.

B (10:26)

He's inching over.

A (10:27)

Yeah. But he could do the same kind of show himself. And. Yeah. So I'm glad I was around long enough to see this happen, you know, because going on a traditional talk show, you get the Q and A up front, the host is feeding you, you know, and now it's just, we're. This is like green room stuff. We're just getting to talk to you unfiltered.

C (10:47)

Are you guys amazed, though, that in our lifespans, I'm older than you, but we came up in the, what they call the golden era of tv, linear tv. Are you surprised at the changes and how Fast they came in, David.

B (11:08)

Yeah, I am, for sure. And I'm also surprised. It's also hard to stay in the business in any way, shape or form because it goes. It switches over to TikTok. I mean, I was on sitcoms for a while. There's not many sitcoms being made. There's a lot of people doing it the do your do it yourself way as you're talking about. Some it works, some it doesn't. But if you have an audience, hopefully they can find you and you can get a bigger piece and call the shots. I look at that Jimmy Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides to, like, having a boss and saying what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always. It's not like real freedom of speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertising. There's always sort of a boss. Right. Unless you're doing your own thing.

C (11:58)

Absolutely. And not only that, though, it weighs you down because YouTube in particular, creative, funny guys, I'm more of a journalist, kind of give me the facts and all that, but when you have to, when you're being second guessed. All right, yeah, that kind of emotional stuff cuts into the creativity because if you're creative, you're gonna make mistakes, you're gonna screw up sometimes it's gonna fall flat. But in order to get the big hits, you gotta try stuff. And all the corporate suits are like, oh, no, we can't do that.

B (12:37)

Sure, yeah.

C (12:39)

But Kimmel and Colbert and I, I know all these guys and I. Yeah, you. You know me. I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from them now. Hear about me.

A (12:51)

Okay, John, you have to be banned from some.

C (12:55)

Yeah, yeah, that changed. And. And it's a bad change for America. But once Trump came in, if you didn't hate Trump, then you were banished. I was on a view like a dozen times and, you know, mixed it up with the ladies. And it was, you know, when Barbara Walters around was good. But once they started to really hate Trump, I was talking to Kimmel through one of his friends, and I said, look, it's okay to make fun of Trump, but if you hate him, if there's just blood dripping from your nose, sure. You're alienating 50% of the country. You know, don't be more. Get them if you want.

A (13:35)

All right.

C (13:36)

But don't be hateful about it. That is what has changed.

A (13:40)

My philosophy is to be funny first, because that's the way. I was, you know, raised on comedy. Be funny first if you make a point within it. But if it's just, the goal is to teach. As a comedian, I don't really like that style, personally.

B (13:56)

Yeah, it's hard to be taught.

C (13:59)

What happened is that, and I'm partially responsible for this, I never forget, I, I had Ted Koppel on the Factor and Copple looked at me and said, you ruined television news. And I said, thank you. Thank you. It needed to be ruined because pinheads like you were excluding half the country. All right, we couldn't. You couldn't get their point of view because you guys are sitting in the ivory towers in Manhattan. So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was in again. Trump comes in, they were making money hating him and they're making money like him. And that's where it all broke down. So now when people turn on linear television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other. And then the social media, at least some of us, and I include you guys in that. We're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody. We want to be entertaining and informative and that's why I think we win.

B (15:05)

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

A (15:09)

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B (18:26)

X rated is better than having.

C (18:28)

Well, let me give you an example

A (18:30)

as an outsider and then I'll give you an example.

C (18:33)

Okay.

A (18:34)

Okay.

C (18:34)

So I'm watching you on SNL with Biden.

A (18:37)

That's what I was going to bring up. Go ahead.

C (18:41)

It's brilliant. I mean, I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor. Okay. But I like you anyway. I like both of you or I wouldn't be here. So I don't do podcasts with people I don't like. So I'm going this look. But it wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alec Baldwin. Like, if I could beat his brains and I would. No, he was just being. You're making fun of him. All right, well. But I know that Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What are you Making fun of Biden for, you know, and that's the problem. You've got SNL now knows its audience is 90% liberal, so they're feeding them that stuff. It's still funny. All right, but they're feeding them that.

B (19:32)

But I think it got to the point where they were allowing it. You could make fun of Biden because after that George Clooney article, it started to switch, and then it was like,

A (19:41)

well, okay, Dana, yeah, we can do this in. Because Lorne had asked me to do him when he was still going to be the nominee or, you know, and I said, okay, I'll try, you know, because I knew it was a slippery slope and he had to thread the needle, even if I was in a club or doing it anywhere. And then he's not running anymore, and Kamala's in there. And that's when I emerged. But I. When I came out the first night with my Rudolph, I was ready for maybe a heckling, you know, so I had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me. I'd say, get your facts straight, Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him. But it just started with this. And this isn't political. You would say these non sequiturs. This was the hook, folks. Guess what? And by the way, the fact of the matter is. No, I'm being serious here. I'm not kidding around. So that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt that he was underserved, if you could say it that way, in the satirical department during his tenure, whether. Whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's. It's a good sign of people are having some fun with the guy who's in charge of our country. But it was. It was fun to go in there and do that. And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing. And I don't really actively hate anyone. I do. Like, in my heart, I hate this person. I'm going to do an impression.

C (21:05)

Right.

A (21:05)

You would be the exception. I would.

C (21:11)

Because I'm really easy to hate. And that is. That is a fact. The other. The other aspect of what you guys do that intersects with what I do is that you have to be honest about it. So I like the guy who does Trump now on snl, James Austin Johnson.

A (21:33)

Yes.

C (21:34)

I like him because he's a pro and he gets his lines in, but it doesn't drip of malice. Okay. You can see that he's doing his job as a comedian to Deliver funny lines. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. It's just what crosses over into the destruction. When I went out to LA this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at the HBO studio and goes, wow, I was so happy to have a Republican guest. And I go, well, who's that around? I'm not a Republican. And the person was like shocked. I said, I'm a registered independent. What I'm trying to do is find the best problem solver for the country and that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not going to. You know, I am a traditional American, there's no doubt about it. I like all that. I think that's why we're the most powerful nation in the world that's ever existed. And that's one of the reasons I wrote Confronting Evil was because we have evil in America and I want people to know about it. I write about the slave traders coming to richest men in the world by doing this horrible stuff in New Orleans and Virginia. And then I write about Rockefeller and JP Morgan who are, you know, Wall street icons to this day. They were rotten bastards. Okay. And Teddy Roosevelt took them out. Yep. And. And so I'm the kind of guy that, that isn't an ideologue. And ideologues bore me to death. I just, it's just the same stuff over and over and over again. The propaganda stuff, I hate it.

B (23:26)

Well, I think it's smart to be independent because if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far, extreme white supremacist or whatever the labels are. And if you say you're a Democrat, they think so far left. So there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think clearly and just sort of go case by case, issue by issue. But if someone gets a whiff you're one side or the other, it's immediately a problem or not. That's affecting everything when we say we're not political, but it affects the dating world. My friends are saying they go on a date and they're being felt out to see what they are right away to know if it's going to go any further. It wasn't like that in the old days. It's, it's come into talk shows and everything that in comedy that wasn't like that. Now it's sort of infecting everything and really splitting people up.

C (24:14)

Even families.

B (24:16)

Families for sure.

C (24:17)

Yeah. I mean, Thanksgiving coming up, you know, and it's like, okay, here's Uncle Fred. And he's a commie, and I'm gonna hit him with the grape.

B (24:26)

So there's Uncle Zoran Mandami at dinner. Let's see what happens.

C (24:32)

One of the reasons I put that nitwit Dennis Miller on my show.

A (24:40)

Finally, the one and only Dennis. Oh, my God, what a brain.

C (24:44)

I. I remember going, this is the greatest story. So I always liked Miller because Miller, to me, took no BS from anybody, okay? And I know that to be true. So I went into Roger Ailes and I said, this was right after Miller was on cnbc, and he had a monkey on his show. I don't know whether you guys remember that.

A (25:07)

Yes, he's a monkey.

C (25:08)

A real monkey. Okay. On the show.

B (25:11)

His name is Glico.

C (25:13)

Right. It was inexplicable. There was no real reason to have the monkey, but there was a monkey, and the show did not do well.

B (25:23)

That was. That was the jump. The shark monkey.

A (25:25)

Yeah. The chimp didn't quite. His trainer overfed him, you know, Next thing I know, I'm at an 0.2.

C (25:34)

All right, so I knew Miller a little bit, and I knew how brilliant he was.

A (25:40)

Brilliant.

C (25:42)

So I went into Al's, the head of Fox, and I go, I want to put Miller on the air. And he goes, why? He was. I. Isn't he the guy with the monkey? I said, yeah, we won't.

B (25:54)

That's now his thing.

C (25:56)

But Al's worked at cnbc, so he knew. I said, we're not using a monkey. We're just going to use Miller. All right. Just once a week, because I want to get a totally unpredictable take on the country, on the world.

B (26:12)

Very true. Yeah, you'll get right.

A (26:14)

Yeah.

C (26:14)

And it worked. It worked great. And it would just boom. It blew up. Everybody looked forward to. And then Miller and I went out on the road.

B (26:22)

Road. Yeah, I remember.

C (26:23)

Yeah. And phenomenal.

A (26:25)

Huge audiences. Huge. I know from Dennis.

C (26:29)

Yeah, we did.

A (26:30)

We did.

C (26:31)

Well, the. The only shows that I did that were more successful, the four I did with Trump, which were unbelievable about attendance and grosses and stuff like that, because that was after he lost the election, even though he'd never admitted he lost it. He lost it. And we went out to the arenas and we did a history thing. But Miller's, to this day, the way he can analyze stuff. He just cuts right through the garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is, which is what I was looking for.

A (27:07)

Yeah, he's amazing. I mean, his quote, at the end of the day, it was like, Jesus, All I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys. All right, that was like a nice, tight way.

C (27:20)

Now, you guys, you got to tell me something now.

A (27:24)

Sure.

B (27:24)

Please.

C (27:25)

I tried to drag Miller to the anniversary show, which I was invited to. I don't know, was it 30th or 30 something?

A (27:32)

50th.

C (27:33)

He wouldn't go to the SNL anniversary show. So I did a skit for them. A what up Skit? Is that the Keenan?

B (27:42)

Oh, yeah, that's right.

A (27:43)

Oh, you were in that?

C (27:45)

I was in that. And I said, and, And Michaels was kind enough to invite me to the show. Nobody would sit next to me. So I, I had the big road.

A (27:54)

The 40th or the 50th, which, which

B (27:57)

was 10 years ago. 40th.

A (28:00)

Yeah.

C (28:00)

And I, and I go, millie, you got to come to the SNL reunion thing with me. Come on, be huge. And he wouldn't go.

B (28:07)

I'll send the monkey.

C (28:13)

Do you guys know why I wouldn't go?

B (28:18)

That's a tough one.

A (28:19)

We should have him on right now.

C (28:21)

I, I, he wouldn't tell me either. Yeah, I, I said no. There's gotta be a reason.

B (28:27)

I know he doesn't like tons of fanfare, but he's kind of private, quiet.

C (28:31)

Right.

B (28:31)

I don't know.

C (28:32)

I thought it was that he was shooting. He was shooting the Bordello of Blood.

A (28:42)

This was surprisingly good in that movie. But I think with Dennis, like I always say, of a single update guy to the camera, you know, there's always the first guy. Chevy. I think Dennis is the best to do it. There were teams of Tina Fey and Jimmy, but I think Dennis is the best. And then he was sort of other, you know, he was considered a conservative in Hollywood in a certain way. So I don't know, you know, which was unfair because I, I see him as an independent, like you.

C (29:19)

Absolutely.

A (29:20)

You know, he's not an ideal.

B (29:22)

All you need is to give someone a whiff and then word spreads.

A (29:26)

Yeah, yeah, but.

B (29:27)

And that's what happened with him. Yeah.

C (29:29)

Norm McDonald was, was very good. Way ahead of his time.

A (29:34)

Yes.

C (29:36)

Still would be doing Weekend Update. Right. Catch up to Norm.

B (29:41)

There's an example of you're on a show and your boss doesn't like you, Don Olmeyer. And you get fired.

C (29:47)

And it was ridiculous. But that being said, I understood the animus.

A (29:54)

Well, it was Norm.

B (29:55)

Just Norm's bananas.

A (29:57)

You tell him not to do any jokes about. He's gonna. Can't not do them.

B (30:02)

Yeah. How can I Not do it. You'll get fired.

A (30:04)

I get that.

B (30:05)

That's where I could not do it.

C (30:06)

Here's my norm story. My 16 year old son at the time Norm, is playing Long island out in Huntington, and we go to see him and Norm and I had a very good relationship. So we went backstage. So he, he looks at my son and he goes, whose name is Spencer. He goes, spencer, I've got one piece of advice for you. My son's 16 and he loves Norm. What's that, Mr. McDonald? Don't smoke crack.

B (30:36)

It's not a bad nugget.

C (30:38)

Of all the advice.

B (30:40)

Yeah.

A (30:40)

It's very Norm.

B (30:42)

You start with the softballs.

A (30:46)

Yeah.

C (30:47)

And then my, my son's looking at me like, what, one?

B (30:51)

Yeah.

A (30:53)

No, there's only one Norm and one Dennis. Those guys, you know, fantastic.

C (30:57)

And I was privileged to, to interact with both of them. I, I have to say, because what you guys do is very, very difficult.

B (31:06)

Thank you.

C (31:07)

No, it's, it's the hardest part of showbiz because you got to be on it all the time. Expectations are through the roof and you got to perform, you got to come through. It's like hitting cleanup for the Dodgers. You know, if you're going to ground at the double plays, you ain't got to be there long.

A (31:23)

Tina Fey said that once, that just every time you go out on a talk show as a comedian, you feel you have to kill. You have to kill.

C (31:31)

And if you don't, then you blame yourself because who else is there to blame?

B (31:35)

I blame the crowd. Yeah.

C (31:37)

Tina Fey hates me.

A (31:39)

Tina fetes you.

C (31:41)

Hates you. Hold on.

A (31:44)

That cuddliest cuddly bear, Amy Poehler.

B (31:47)

Oh, so does the blonde me hate me.

A (31:51)

Not Amy, right?

B (31:53)

Oh, Amy.

A (31:54)

Yeah.

C (31:55)

Hates me to the extent that it's funny.

B (31:57)

I could see that. Yeah.

A (31:58)

Yeah.

C (31:59)

Oh, boy. This is the worst. Here he comes to the Neanderthal of all time areas. Oh, no.

A (32:06)

Do you, do you get your feelings hurt? Are you a lost ship at sea? Or have you gotten post any of that just knowing where, or is that just your nature from childhood? I mean, you read comments when you take a lot of hits like Trump takes hits, it just keeps going.

C (32:26)

Listen, I've been friends with Trump for 35 years, and he's the only human being I know who can take more garbage than I can. The guy is like, he's like, I

B (32:38)

couldn't take 1% of that.

C (32:39)

It's a Star wars shield there. But when you were raised in Levittown like I was, and in Post World War II, when there were like 80,000 kids on the street and your parents didn't want you in the house. Why don't you go? It's 14 below zero. No. No. Here's some earmuffs out of here. I didn't care what it was. When you're out there with that many kids unsupervised in a working class ghetto, which was what Levittown was, you're fighting all the time. I mean, you're ranking people out. Your mother. Is this your dad? You know, so by the time I was 16, I was numb to all of that. Now I have a list of people who were untoward toward me and my family. There is a list, but usually the other stupid stuff I just swatted away and so does Trump that.

B (33:36)

Levittown sounds like Instagram comments. In real life, people. People aren't used to that. They're not used to the world of that in your space. They hate you. And not just online.

A (33:47)

We had to fight, but I didn't get to 6. 3. When did you achieve your height?

C (33:55)

I was always a big boy as an athlete, and that saved me. I played four sports and then I'd be in a penitentiary. In fact, when I go back to my Levittown neighborhood, because I live fairly close there on Long island, people go, how come you're not in a penitentiary?

B (34:10)

We.

C (34:10)

We. The over under was you were gonna be in there by the time you're 22.

B (34:15)

Oh, right. Nobody saw you being a huge success.

C (34:18)

No.

A (34:18)

Did you ever get Billy Joel in a headlock?

B (34:21)

Yeah.

A (34:22)

You ever get Billy Joel?

C (34:24)

Thanks for bringing that up. So, Billy Joel.

A (34:26)

Thanks for bringing up, too. Yes, I know. He wrote the song.

B (34:30)

Yeah, yeah.

C (34:31)

So he lived in the Hicksville section of Levittown. I lived in the Westbury section. Levittown is so humongous. They divide up the four post office. And that's why Al Franken was calling me a fraud. Oh, you were growing up in lebarton. Okay. Al, by the way, is in prison in Burma right now. So you haven't seen him around? It's where he is.

A (34:54)

We know all these people.

C (34:56)

Yeah, he's on the list. So anyway, Billy Joel and I would cross paths was same age in the summertime up what they call the green where there was no air conditioning. Nobody had air conditioning. 11,112. No, he had his crew, I had my crew. We'd all go up there at night and sing.

B (35:22)

Everybody would sing Acapella, the Jets and the Sharks.

C (35:25)

So, yeah. So Billy Joel, it was August, middle August 95. He wearing a leather jacket. Every night he'd be wearing a leather jacket. Get the slick back hair. I go, hey, Billy, it's 98. In the middle of cigarette. So I kept in touch with him all these years. I like he's a good guy. I mean, a lot of these rock people.

A (35:54)

I mean, you know, he has no pretense, Billy Joel. No overt ego at all. He talked to anybody? Yeah.

B (36:03)

Super talented, though.

C (36:04)

Super good guy.

B (36:05)

Yeah.

C (36:05)

So about 10 years ago, I invited him to dinner over my place. So he comes with his wife and my two kids are there. And we sang a song at the dinner table. So In Love by the Times. He was the lead, I was the backup. I thought my daughter was going to have a heart attack. What like this? And comment to her friend. Her comment to her friend goes, billy Joel was at my house. I don't know why he likes my father. My own daughter.

A (36:42)

So are you a good singer? I mean. No. You're probably not going to carry a tune.

C (36:48)

I can. I can. Yeah. So in love are we to that. You know, I can do that. But he's lights out. So if you share smart, all you do is. Do I do? That's all you do.

A (37:03)

Yeah. The genius.

B (37:05)

Stay near Billy. Yeah, for sure.

A (37:08)

I want to get your hot take on a couple things.

B (37:10)

Yeah, let's get some tape.

A (37:11)

These are secular things. And that's when you go to like an apolitical thing. Okay. AI afraid of it. We're trying to make the super brain these data centers. We need a super brain to solve cancer, solve these things. Excited about it. Hot take.

C (37:30)

Yeah. I'm a Luddite number one. I don't know anything about any of that, but it's inevitable and I'm going to accept it. But it will never replace me or you because AI is not going to be born with innate talent. Keep that in mind.

B (37:50)

Okay.

A (37:50)

We just needed to process a billion bits of information in a billionth of a second and tell us how to make fusion energy bitcoin. Got it. Oh, sorry. David, do you have a question?

B (38:01)

I had one.

A (38:02)

Okay.

C (38:03)

Is who's got my money under my bed? Okay. I don't.

A (38:07)

Are you just in bonds? You're not a stock market guy either.

C (38:11)

No, I do. I. My financial advisor, Swifty. We have a nice portfolio. We believe in capitalism and we've done okay.

B (38:26)

Do you think Gavin Newsom will be

C (38:28)

the next president Bolivia? Can't be. Can't be president for one reason. The hair. Look at all 45 presence. You can't have hair like that. And I said that tomorrow. I said, what you have in common with Newsom is the hair.

B (38:48)

Oh, I saw that. Yeah.

C (38:49)

Guys got the hair.

B (38:50)

You can't still have a modeling comp card.

C (38:53)

You guys live in California.

B (38:55)

Yes.

C (38:57)

So, you know.

B (38:59)

Yes.

C (38:59)

What went on or what goes on out there is going to be forefront. I don't think Governor Newsom has a chance stand up to his record in California.

B (39:09)

I personally don't agree with all these policies because it's kind of affecting me. But when you go on the national scale, sometimes the other states don't really care. He.

C (39:21)

Yeah, but he's so out there, and he's adopting a lot of the Trump tactics. A lot of the.

A (39:27)

He has done the memes and stuff.

B (39:29)

Yeah.

C (39:29)

Yep. Yep, he's doing that. So I think a guy like Wes Moore, the governor of Maryland, probably got a better chance because his record is stronger than Newsom's record.

A (39:42)

Yeah. And there's also the voice. And he would be Gavin, what you call a pretty boy. You know, he's a little pretty.

C (39:52)

Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter if you're pretty or not. Although Abe Lincoln certainly wasn't. But actually, Newsom's tenure really did Spade and I a favor, because in California, you can shoplift and nobody cares anymore. So when we were.

A (40:13)

Yeah, I did not agree with that policy. Is that a weird thing to say?

B (40:17)

It's like, do you think their nominee would be more toward the middle or more toward the left?

C (40:23)

Toward the middle on the Democratic side, because people are tired of the lunacy they were every single day. Give us a rest. And I. When I speak to President Trump, which is, you know, maybe once every two weeks or something, I go, can't you take a couple of days off?

B (40:44)

Yeah, just relax a second.

C (40:46)

Yeah. It's just.

A (40:49)

How do we process that energy? 79. And you can't keep track. He's in Malays flying all over. I mean, what is that about?

C (41:00)

Hardest working president in history. Okay. And the laziest president was Warren Harding.

A (41:08)

Of course.

B (41:09)

I say that every day.

A (41:10)

That's true.

B (41:11)

1920s, that guy. If you do another tour with him, will you call it. We'll do it live if you don't call it that.

C (41:22)

Guys, I know you're trying to make fun of me, but that's.

B (41:24)

No, I like that. That's the coolest thing you've ever done.

C (41:27)

You guys can open.

A (41:30)

I love to. How's the green room?

B (41:32)

I love it.

A (41:33)

Here's a question.

C (41:35)

You like Diet Cokes? He drinks I do Diet Cokes a day.

A (41:40)

I know fish, McDonald's, golf's a little bit ever ready. Bunny sleeps four, five hours a night. I mean, I'm just trying six minutes a night.

C (41:50)

Not I, I have to keep my phone on. This is true. Because he comes in between one and three.

A (41:59)

O'Reilly, you know, we're loving what you're doing. You're tremendous. Bill, they're after me. We got a lot of policies. We're going to do a bill. But anyway, a lot of people, you're an historian and you get 17 books killing everybody. Lincoln, whatever, 20 million. I mean, you're an author as much as you are anything as far as the sales are extraordinary. I'm just saying, not, not trying to kiss your ass, but you know, it is amazing what you've done. And people now think no kings like, okay, so break it down for us. If Trump was to become a dictator in the next three years, what are the steps he's got to make pretty soon to achieve that?

C (42:42)

Well, first of all, the View ladies would be incarcerated. That would be good.

A (42:49)

Let them run down anymore.

C (42:50)

You know, I put a chapter in Confronting Evil about Henry vii, confronting the View to show everybody what a real tyrant king is. I know you didn't want to date Henry vii. Okay. No. And if, if you're trans, you didn't want to be in the country. You did not want to be around Henry. And thank you for bringing up the books. We are the most successful non friction authors in the world now. 20 number one New York Times bestsellers. And you know how, how thrilled that paper is to put my name at the top of that bestseller. Party time. O'Reilly.

A (43:33)

That's amazing. You know, David, people keep asking about my 2026 Resolute resources. Yes, they do.

B (43:41)

I'm one of them. You, I know what you're trying to say. The people keep asking about your 2026 resolutions. And I've got the usual ones. Read more or read at all.

A (43:53)

At the gym.

B (43:54)

At the gym. Learn how to crochet, get the knitting.

A (43:58)

Really?

B (43:58)

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C (44:21)

Skiing.

B (44:23)

And I know you want to get back into running. They got.

A (44:25)

I would really want to get back into Running honestly, for sure. I do a lot of hiking.

B (44:30)

Yeah, they're cushioned right where you need it most. Sweat wicking.

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That's good.

B (44:36)

Is that good?

A (44:37)

Yeah, it keeps the sweat away. Packed with tech that keeps you comfortable and locked in. So comfy socks. It's a great idea.

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A (46:45)

But you know, I'm reading your book and it just the filth and the disease and just the darkness of all of it is just always a reminder that we are here in America. Obviously there's people suffering, but you know, modern medicine and you can go to the grocery store. Most people, I mean it is a good check because I've seen people in the street with a latte and their iPhone. I hear them talking to their friend. Oh my God. This is the Worst time to ever be alive. I'm thinking they should read Confronting Evil,

C (47:19)

you know, then they jump into the Prius in valet park.

B (47:23)

Waymo.

C (47:24)

Right? Americans lack perspective. And so Confronting Evil is all about. Look, we are not a perfect country. President Trump is certainly not a perfect man. But. And that's a big but. Most Americans are decent people. About 15% of us are evil. That's my. What I put on that percentage. 15% of the whole human race is evil. They'll hurt you if they can. They like it. Putin. That's why Putin's on the COVID of the book. He likes certain people. We don't have a lot of that in our leadership. Trump sees the world very black and white. You're either with him or you're against him. You're against him. You're going to try to mock you or whatever. If you're with him, he's your best pal. That's what he is. Not changing. But from a historical viewpoint. He's done a lot of good things and he's done some bad things, too. But he is very interested in his legacy. So he's not going to try to take over in the next three years. He's not going to try to run for a third term. This is all ridiculous. But you know what he'll do. And you guys will find this interesting. Every day, Donald Trump wakes up, for him, his two hours sleep, okay? And his first thought is, how can I torture my enemies? So he says stuff just to get the view ladies upset. It works just to get Whoopi Goldbergizzy. Right?

A (49:02)

Yeah. He'll just take it literally. They take everything he says and then he loves it.

C (49:09)

Look at this reaction. Look at msnbc. They're setting themselves on fire. Yes. And now I'm gonna say this. He doesn't do any of it. So you gotta understand where he's coming from. I did that when I was seven years old. But he continues to do it.

A (49:27)

Like the whole Canada thing he came out with, I think it'd be the great. He was just kidding.

C (49:34)

Drove people crazy. He didn't like Trudeau.

A (49:38)

Yeah.

C (49:38)

Trudeau is a little nebbish to him. And now she. He's. But you got to give Trudeau. He's running around Katy Perry. That's not bad. Okay? He didn't like Trudeau at all.

B (49:49)

Not bad.

C (49:50)

So he goes, how can I annoy Trudeau? I'm taking it over.

A (49:56)

And of course, boom.

B (49:58)

Okay, now does everyone want that from their president? Not everyone, but. But you know, we just had biden who was very quiet. So we've got too quiet and then we got too loud.

C (50:08)

He was napping.

B (50:09)

Yeah.

C (50:09)

And it was. It was a do not disturb sign over his entire administration. I mean, that's what it was. And I knew that from the jump because Biden was never, never a hard worker. Even when he was a senator, it was never a guy was that interested in public policy. He just wasn't. Boy, you should talk to Barack Obama about Joe Biden. Anyway.

A (50:33)

I've read some of that.

C (50:34)

If you understand Trump, you won't hate him as much. That's my message to Beverly Hills.

A (50:41)

That's good. I like that.

C (50:43)

You've got to think about not what he says, but what he does. And overseas, getting those Hamas guys out, those hostages, that was one tough deal. And if he can bring in China, that. Because I was in China at the government's request over there, they were like you. They asked me to be on their podcast, but in person in Beijing. And I. And I went over on my own dime.

B (51:12)

Yeah, I passed on that one.

C (51:15)

No, my son, I dragged him because he's a political science major. He goes, are you sure we want. You know, and I no, no. This is once in a lifetime experience. You're going to be sitting across the most powerful guys in the second most powerful nation in the country. And three hours we did. But if Trump can bring that in and calm things down over there and get a decent trade deal with them, huge.

A (51:39)

Do you think there's any chance we could create a stronger alliance with them?

C (51:44)

Yeah, because they're business people. They're not like, Putin's a psychopath. He wants to kill women and children. It's impossible to do.

A (51:52)

So what do we do with Ukraine?

C (51:54)

You have to make a deal with China.

A (51:57)

Okay. Because they're.

C (51:58)

And I'm involved with this very deeply with President Trump. It's triangulation, they call it. If we can make a deal with China and China withdraws its support import from Putin, Putin's finished. And that is starting. Because Trump's going to sell all the Anwar oil to Beijing. That means that Beijing doesn't have to buy it from Putin.

A (52:23)

And there's enough up there. It's in an.

C (52:26)

Oh, my God. The polar bears are covered with it. I mean,

B (52:31)

they're not in white anymore.

A (52:33)

Here's two. You got any other. Here's two.

B (52:35)

One.

A (52:36)

Just hot, just quick. Takes one. Is these things unachievable? Impossible. What would Trump do? The debt, the 38, 37, 38 trillion. And affordability is all the. And that's going to take time to bring down housing costs. What is your thoughts on this?

C (52:56)

Well, he knows. He knows after last week that the midterms are in jeopardy. Yeah, he knows. And his legacy depends on keeping the House and Senate in November 26th. So the first salvo was, I'll give everybody two grand. Okay. But if you look at it, if you go to billoriley.com, which is where I live, we earn that money because Trump wouldn't get any of these tariffs if not for US Consumers buying the stuff from China. So what Trump's doing is basically charging an admission fee for all foreign nations to sell their stuff inside the United States because we buy more than anybody else by far. So it's us that are making people want to send stuff here. And Trump is exploiting that. And that's the kind of commentary I do every day on BilloriLeigh.com but it's going to be very difficult to force people to lower their prices. When I was in LA, the hotel I stayed at was charging $36 for a cheeseburger. $36 for cheeseburger. So I went out to In n Out and I got 14 for $36.

B (54:09)

Sure.

C (54:09)

You know, and I brought them in and gave them all the bellhops as an. I don't buy that stuff. But to go into the hotel and say, you can't charge that. So it's a very, very difficult thing. I don't know whether the Republicans are going to be successful. However, the Democrats don't have much and that is a Republican's big advantage.

A (54:33)

Well, the terrorists policies or whatever. When you say the Democrats don't have much, he's into their policies, a leadership,

C (54:43)

all of it across the board. You said a 38 trillion dollar debt. Well, what do the Democrats want to do? They want to spend more and more and more and more and more. You can't.

A (54:54)

If you try to lower it, how do you get reelected? I mean, it's a very difficult thing for both.

C (54:58)

Promise every Mandani just got elected. Comment. And he's a communist, he's not a socialist. And free bus rides for everybody. And a governor. Yes, it goes well. We don't have enough money to do that. It's $800 million a year to give free bus rides to everybody. And New York state is already like California and deep in Deb, where are they going to get the money? And all the rich people are moving out. They're all going to Florida, Tennessee or wherever. And where are you going? To get it. So that's what I say. The Democrats can't continue on this. And then they got woke stuff, and then they got this stuff. And, you know, if the Democrats had a guy like JFK, not IRFK Jr. No. All right. But RFK senior, they'd win. They had a charismatic leader like Trump. They'd win.

A (55:50)

So they're looking for that guy.

C (55:52)

Yeah, well, they're looking. You know, Colbert turned it down. But.

A (56:01)

Anyway, this has been a pleasure. I mean, thank you, Bill. Very. You're never boring, like I said. And billow riley.com and the no spin News podcast. You're everywhere.

C (56:15)

Yeah, we're all. And I really appreciate you guys reading Confronting Evil. And I hope people will check that book out. You learn a lot. And it's. It's fun to read. You know, I hate to use the word fun and evil and the same thing.

A (56:27)

It's fascinating. You. These names are iconic. Genghis Khan, whatever. And then you're into the detail of how they got so evil, how they got their power and what happens to them and the people who risk their lives to take them out. So, yeah, it's just stories that are fascinating that happened to be kind of dark.

C (56:47)

I'm glad you guys liked it. I just want to say I've always admired your talent. Both of you, that whole crew with Miller and Norm and you guys, I mean, it was just. That was just a highlight of American television. And it was. And I, I'm pleased to be on with you and thanks for taking the time.

A (57:06)

Thank you.

B (57:06)

Thank you, Bill. Appreciate it. And we'll talk soon.

A (57:09)

You will. Pleasure.

B (57:14)

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