RE-RELEASE - Marc Maron

Summary

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Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade

Episode: RE-RELEASE - Marc Maron
Date: January 21, 2026
Guest: Marc Maron
Duration: ~1:09:47
Theme: The Evolution of Podcasting, Showbiz Tales, and the Arc of Marc Maron's Career

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Episode Overview

This episode is a special re-release of a previously acclaimed conversation with Marc Maron—comedian, actor, author, and one of the pioneers of podcasting. Hosts Dana Carvey and David Spade revisit Maron's journey from the early, uncertain days of running a podcast out of his garage to landing landmark interviews with cultural icons like President Barack Obama, Neil Young, Springsteen, and Robin Williams. The trio reminisces about the wild west days of podcasting, showbiz anxieties, and the vulnerabilities and joys that come with comedy and creative reinvention.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Marc Maron's Podcast Genesis & Early Podcasting (03:10–11:27)

• Moving Houses, Preserving the 'Garage':
  Marc shares that although he’s changed homes, he keeps mementos of his original podcast garage as a way to hold onto his roots.

• The Obama Interview Milestone:

  • "Every comedian knows this about you. Where were you, David, when you heard that Marc Maron has Barack Obama on his podcast? Because that was like, what the... Because this was early days of podcasting." – David Spade (04:25)
  • Maron reflects on how surreal it was to host Obama in his tiny house, noting most guests were bewildered by the whole setup:
    • "People would drive up to my driveway and literally say, where are we? Is this part of LA?" (04:51)

• The Early Podcast Community:

  • Maron explains that before podcasting was profitable, it was a tight group:
    • "There was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts." (06:02)
  • Names dropped: Adam Carolla, Joe Rogan (who started a bit later), Jimmy Pardo, Doug Benson, Chris Hardwick.

2. Turning Podcasting Into a Career (08:49–13:03)

• From Financial Desperation to Platform Power:

  • Marc's entry into podcasting stemmed from professional and personal lows—a loss of radio gigs and a divorce—pushing him to a creative Hail Mary.
    • "It was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow, because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, b comedy rooms as a non selling headliner." – Marc Maron (17:22)
  • Making money wasn’t the original goal; advertisers (Adam & Eve, indie coffee brands) and podcast networks (Midroll, Earwolf) eventually helped monetize the format.

• Initial Podcasting as Personal Therapy:

  • Maron reveals much of his early drive was to “make amends” with fellow comics and settle old scores.
    • "I think the first hundred episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them… it's weird how many times you do that, and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm an idiot." (12:23–13:03)

3. Memorable Guests, Moments & Interviewing Icons (13:03–31:09)

• Robin Williams Interview:

  • The conversation with Williams stood out as uniquely profound, especially after his death.
    • "That interview seems to be, like, the only interview like that. Like, when he died, it was everywhere, because he never talked like that." – Marc Maron (13:04)
    • Anecdotes are shared about Robin’s gentle paranoia regarding having "stolen" jokes, and the quirks of his personality.

• Interviewing Neil Young:

  • Maron describes how Neil Young challenged him, only warming up after some playful sparring:
    • "He likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn’t until I got him laughing that it opened up." (22:21)
    • Young later praised Maron as "fearless and not afraid to fail", a highlight for Marc.

• Paul McCartney & Bruce Springsteen:

  • McCartney provided one of Maron's favorite responses when asked if he thought his best work was current:
    • "Well, I was in the Beatles, so that’s a pretty high bar." – Paul McCartney via Marc Maron (25:45)
  • Springsteen is described as dark and introspective, with Maron aiming to break through his public persona and reach the "real guy".

• On Challenging/Disastrous Interviews:

  • Maron calls his Ben Kingsley interview "the worst", blaming rigid formalities and a lack of rapport.

4. Hollywood, Acting, and Career Reinvention (33:41–41:36)

• On Acting in "Joker" and Other Roles:

  • Maron discusses his evolving comfort in acting, working with Robert De Niro, and the nervousness of scenes with greats like Sharon Stone.
  • "You know, I got to do, like, a little scene with Robert De Niro... I know that De Niro's not—he's not gonna remember me. I'm just one of those guys that he's met. 100 guys that do two lines with him." (35:15)

• Comedy Roasts and Showbiz Anxieties:

  • Roasts are described as bittersweet; Carvey and Spade highlight the sting of a well-aimed barb and how difficult it is when you aren't in tight with the dais.
  • Marc recalls the infamous Chevy Chase roast as a personal and professional low point:
    • "All I can say...after that, I was in a room at that Hilton in New York... almost on the verge of tears, thinking, like, I can’t do comedy anymore." (50:17)

5. Podcasting Culture and Trends (41:45–44:46, 56:00–57:32)

• Oversharing and the Era of 'Too Much Content':

  • "Everyone’s talking too much… It’s like, you know, actors are just coming out with, like, well, 20 years ago, it’s like, oh, my God, we can’t get out from under this thing. No one shuts up anymore." – Marc Maron (42:17)
  • Maron, Spade, and Carvey lampoon the trend of “trauma bombs” and overexposed podcast confessions.

• On Not Listening to One’s Own Podcast:

  • "I don’t listen to it. I can’t... My producer has become, like, my active memory because he spends a few hours with it, and he remembers everything." (56:49–57:32)

6. Comedy and Movie Appreciation (57:32–63:14)

• Favorite Movies & Media:

  • Maron’s cinephilia surfaces; he discusses rewatching classics like "The Conversation," "Three Days of the Condor," "Alien," and "The Firm," appreciating the work of directors like Sidney Pollack, Coppola, and the versatility of Gene Hackman.

• Observations about Changing Showbiz Norms:

  • The trio reminisces about old-school booking practices, comic tapes, and the analog days of VHS submissions.

7. Reflections on Craft, Joy, and Personal Growth (65:19–68:39)

• On Dramatic Work and Growth as an Artist:

  • Maron discusses his experience in "To Leslie," crediting his willingness to risk failure and do the work—dialect lessons included.
    • "If you’re gonna do this, take a risk, you know? No one’s gonna see this movie...I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did all right." (66:29)

• Accepting Success and Joy:

  • Despite his considerable accomplishments, Maron expresses ongoing struggles with actually enjoying his success:
    • "How much joy can you get out of your incredible life? ... The joy thing, that’s a whole other thing." – David Spade & Marc Maron (68:28–68:34)

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Notable Quotes & Humorous Exchanges

• On Hosting Obama:

  • Dana Carvey: "Whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding." (05:42)

• On Money in Comedy:

  • David Spade: "Money is freedom. That's what it's for... But he [Neil Young] said, now I can do whatever the I want. I don't have to tour if I don't want to. That he bought his freedom." (19:27)

• On Interviewing Legends:

  • Marc Maron (on Paul McCartney): "A lot of artists who were in your age group... really think they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way? And without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles, so that's a pretty high bar." (25:45)

• On Hosting Awkward Guests:

  • Marc Maron: "He's hung up on being called Sir. Sir Ben, so. And I didn't do that at the beginning... I wish I just said, Sir Ben, we don’t have to do this." (28:57)

• Roasting Ann Coulter:

  • Marc Maron: "Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer." (53:00)

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Timestamp Reference Guide

| Segment | Theme/Topic | |-------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:10–11:27 | Early podcasting, Obama episode, pioneer days | | 12:23–13:03 | Early podcast as therapy/making amends | | 20:25–24:02 | Neil Young, McCartney, approaches to celebrity interviews | | 25:45 | McCartney's classic Beatles quote | | 31:09–41:36 | Acting in film, dealing with nerves, De Niro & Stone stories | | 42:17–44:46 | Podcast trends, content overload, 'sandbagging' guests | | 50:17 | Chevy Chase roast disaster | | 56:00–57:32 | Not listening to own podcast, memory via producer | | 57:32–63:14 | Favorite movies, old showbiz | | 65:19–68:39 | To Leslie, Approaching roles, joy in artistic life |

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Final Thoughts

Marc Maron's appearance is laced with candor, humor, and insight about the roots of podcasting, the realities of showbiz reinvention, and the anxieties underlying even the most accomplished careers. As Dana and David note, his blend of honesty and persistent willingness to "do the work" continues to define his voice across mediums.

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Transcript

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[Dana Carvey]

We got Marc Maron. This is a republished polished up winner that we had. We wanted to let you guys hear again. This is Mark Marin, one of the OG Monster podcasters out there and one.

[David Spade]

I don't know the the exact history but kind of one of the pioneers along along with Marky. Joey Rogan was new. Marky got out there early but what's interesting about this one as you listen to it is like his he gets to interview Springsteen, Neil Young. Obama was a very big deal and we'll talk all about that. It's very interesting podcast. Interesting.

[Dana Carvey]

I think he ended his whole run of his whole podcast with Obama. It's not a bad one to go out with.

[David Spade]

Yeah, that's, that's true. It was either that or Senator John Kennedy was going to be his guest. Now you were the first podcaster that. Did I get that right or was it Joey Rogan? I heard a rumor that Joe Rogan is going to change his last name to Joe Rogan and apparently it's a billion dollar contract.

[Dana Carvey]

That would be a good move.

[David Spade]

It's something we Would ask Marc Maron about. Yeah, right now you're going to get to listen to one of our golden oldies.

[Dana Carvey]

Mark Marin. Here he is.

[David Spade]

Are you in the same house? You're in the same. You have not moved since. It looks familiar. This.

[Marc Maron]

This is a different house. But this stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original garage is in this room.

[David Spade]

Are you in the same neighborhood? Can you. All right, you don't have to tell us your actual.

[Marc Maron]

Send you a. Send you a link to a map where everybody.

[Dana Carvey]

Drop me a picture.

[David Spade]

I already have a map of your house that'll be for. It's called after talk. Anyway, whatever.

[Marc Maron]

No, I'm in. I'm in Glendale. I was in Highland Park.

[David Spade]

I got it. Yeah, I like that place.

[Marc Maron]

The old place.

[David Spade]

Yeah. I mean, it was casual and cool guitars and I still got a little.

[Marc Maron]

More spread out before, like, it was like. That was less than a thousand square feet, one bathroom. Like, if you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom that, you know, I use.

[David Spade]

I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back. I. I'm not into it. You occupy a house, you live in your body. You can't fuck a house. You can't eat it.

[Marc Maron]

I. I think you can. A house. It really just depends on where. Where you enter.

[Dana Carvey]

And I saw a thing about it.

[David Spade]

Comedians don't laugh.

[Dana Carvey]

They just think, what about the guy that married his car? You know, I just wanted.

[David Spade]

I want to start the podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Where were you, David, when you heard that Mark Marin has Barack Obama on his podcast? Because that was like, what the. Because this was early days of podcasting.

[Marc Maron]

Right.

[David Spade]

I remember being bl by that.

[Marc Maron]

I think most people were still kind of like, what is the podcast exactly? And where do I got to go?

[David Spade]

Yeah, it totally is 2012. Right.

[Marc Maron]

So it was 16. The number of people that used to come to the house would drive up to my driveway and literally say, like, where are we? Is this part of la? I've never been out here. What are we doing?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there. Because I can't believe you got me out there. I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out. Yeah, it's hard sometimes.

[Dana Carvey]

Was it a ratings drop so much you pulled a muscle or.

[Marc Maron]

We just thought it was appropriate.

[Dana Carvey]

To.

[Marc Maron]

Continue what we were doing.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Marc Maron]

We did one episode with where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast. And we went right to Rich and I, you know, Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull. It's, you know, somewhere lower middle. It's okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, Rich is. No offense to him. I was just laughing like, whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding.

[David Spade]

That's right.

[Marc Maron]

I don't know if he, I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is. Rich is a good guy.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't think so.

[David Spade]

Everyone had a podcast now, like literally. So you, you. It's you and Rogan, right. 2009.

[Marc Maron]

So I guess there was, it was really like Corolla was there. I don't, I don't think started at the same. I think Rogan started a little after us. But like Jimmy Pardo was there. Benson. Benson was probably there. Maybe Hardwick was like starting out. I think Rogan started a little after me, but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, Todd Glass is good at not making money. And I think he had one early. He's a good friend of mine.

[Marc Maron]

Right. With. With Jimmy Dore.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So.

[Marc Maron]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

So that's.

[Marc Maron]

That was there.

[Dana Carvey]

I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking and I think got out right before the money maybe. Or does he still do it?

[Marc Maron]

No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general is to try to get out, get ahead of making the money.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, that's kind of what's funny is I used to think a podcast because he had it. My friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which is perfect. It was perfect.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And the odd thing about the whole undertaking was none of us really. There was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio show, so he was kind of subsidized somehow.

[Dana Carvey]

Did he get fired and said, okay, I'm just gonna do it on here kind of thing. There wasn't a 97.1 or he got.

[David Spade]

Fed up, mad about something.

[Marc Maron]

Something like that. Yeah, he was.

[Dana Carvey]

Whatever.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, he was all worked up and, you know, he was going to take his stories about, you know, drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere.

[David Spade]

He is a. Yeah, that's funny.

[Dana Carvey]

He's good with a.

[David Spade]

Good with a tool.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

But.

[Dana Carvey]

But I was, I was like, I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corollas. I think I went on there A little early where I was like before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting. Which.

[Marc Maron]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

It was sort of a slow. I. I could get a feel for it before most people because everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs. But I started to go, oh no, is this something. And then I said, I'm going to wait till it's a little late, then we're going to try one.

[Marc Maron]

So, yeah, no, but, but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized like, hey, you guys have names. You can't lose. Before it was like, who the fuck are these?

[David Spade]

Oh, we found a way to lose.

[Marc Maron]

I don't think anybody really realizes the, the excitement in, you know, when you. When Corolla was like the only game in town. Like, I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, okay, well, thanks for coming by. It's something to be experienced.

[Dana Carvey]

We're working.

[David Spade]

There's room for everybody. But it. Did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on? Like, holy shit, maybe there's money in this. Because how long did you do it essentially for free? Free before.

[Marc Maron]

Arrived. Hold on. My. I. I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't eat plastic. Get out of.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you have a urethra moment? I did when I peed last night.

[David Spade]

I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay. Anyway, so I don't even know if that's right. Well, well, no, I'm kidding. I didn't check.

[Marc Maron]

What happened was there was like, at the beginning, you, you either had. If you were going to put up a pay wall, you couldn't. You couldn't get new audience. Right. So we had done a radio show.

[Dana Carvey]

Goodbye wall.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, goodbye. Well, no, no one welcome.

[Dana Carvey]

Let's put up a goodbye wall on ours.

[Marc Maron]

Dan, you can do it. Well, that was before the. What is it called? What's that, that thing everyone does where they can get a pay page. Pantheon or. What is it?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, Raytheon. We all don't know.

[Marc Maron]

You know that.

[Dana Carvey]

I know. It's a Patreon.

[Marc Maron]

Patreon. So, yeah, so what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days. It was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys.

[Dana Carvey]

And we had Crazy Eddie's electronics, that kind of thing.

[Marc Maron]

But then we had the coffee sponsor but there was. There was really no way to, to, to make money and. Except for the old school radio way. And then ultimately we started working with old timey radio ad people and. And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Aukerman put midroll together and. And the Earwolf Network and that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sort of came up together. But it wasn't until I guess, hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic, Charlie. I'm gonna throw you out, stupid. So that's how you talk to a cat.

[Dana Carvey]

Is that your com. Your tech?

[David Spade]

Yeah, that's my producer, IT guy.

[Marc Maron]

I don't know, you know, it was a slow going, but the, the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together. Sort of like show business. Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along. And then big money got involved and then some people won and some people did.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, come on, dude, Charlie's here now. Charlie. Give me that.

[Marc Maron]

Get him out of the. Hold on, let me get him out of here. Let me get him out of here.

[Dana Carvey]

Honestly, Charles, put them on Glendale Freeway. I know.

[Marc Maron]

Get out. You can eat plastic and throw up.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't care. Showbiz Heather. We got to get Charlie.

[Marc Maron]

But yeah, but yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to. To make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently. He was. Actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me because there's a non disclosure. You couldn't, you know. He couldn't. Yeah, it was, it was part of his contract with msnbc and I felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work and I, and I just had to be like, well, I have a mystery guy that helps me with this. I send it into the ether once or twice a week.

[Dana Carvey]

It's good. More attention on you. That's not horrible.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, sometimes not for. Not great for me.

[David Spade]

What's the headspace like when you first start doing this? I guess when it starts to emerge, you're starting to be successful and you're going, okay, I did this interview. I get this many. This reaction. I do this interview.

[Marc Maron]

Holy.

[David Spade]

This is 10 times 10x.

[Marc Maron]

Well, I think the exciting part about it was as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore. So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job. So we got a lot of attention But I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to, you know, make amends were necessary. I think the first hundred episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them. And that's. And it's weird how many times you do that. And people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm a idiot.

[David Spade]

So.

[Marc Maron]

So that was how that unfolded. But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be, like, the only interview like that. Like, when he. When he died, it was everywhere, because he never talked like that. And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened.

[David Spade]

That was interesting because you did. It became very, very real with Robin. And he never, you know, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on the sidewalk just after a show. Yeah. And I didn't know why.

[Marc Maron]

For a bit, he just stole. Sorry.

[David Spade]

I. I just said to him, he thinks he had some idea that I took. I. I said, I tried to do you. You don't understand.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

I had a trunk of props. I worshiped you. You know, And I don't know if it was from AA or something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven. I didn't. He thought I had a thing where I named my dick Mr. Happy and that. He took that from me. I know that's not true. I never did Mr. Happy. Look at the cut. Look where this goes on podcast.

[Marc Maron]

That's hilarious. That was the amends. It wasn't even like some deep personal affront. It's like, I. I know you might have called your dick Mr. Happy, and. Oh, that's the best amends I ever heard in my life.

[David Spade]

To me, 20 years earlier, at Dennis Miller's wedding, we were at the same table. I wonder, perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it's. It tortured him.

[Marc Maron]

It stuck with him. Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there to Mill Valley, to his house. And what I realized, it was the same with Mel Brooks, is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not going to turn it on like that. Like, it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie hall set.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

My Dick's name is Mr. Sad. And a side note. And no one's stolen it yet. Okay. That's all I wanted. Go ahead.

[Marc Maron]

My dick's name Is, you got this. You got it.

[Dana Carvey]

Come on, champ.

[David Spade]

Come on.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, come on.

[David Spade]

My pronouns are, what's up?

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, there you go. Call her Zen.

[Dana Carvey]

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[Marc Maron]

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[David Spade]

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[David Spade]

So you get successful.

[Marc Maron]

We.

[David Spade]

I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes, but you're.

[Marc Maron]

No.

[Dana Carvey]

I have a question from Mark Mary.

[Marc Maron]

Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How do I. How did I get this gig?

[Dana Carvey]

No, this is good because.

[David Spade]

No, you. Your story of snl. Just a quick insert, David. When we interviewed Lorne Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for snl. Yeah. Just to get ideas of how Lauren is in that environment.

[Marc Maron]

So yeah, he really.

[David Spade]

You are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating. If you want to talk about it.

[Marc Maron]

My obsession with it. What's your question, David? I'd like to converse this one.

[Dana Carvey]

Won't we. We can do this first or SNL first. But mine was. Why did you start it? Was it only to make amends? Was that to start a podcast?

[Marc Maron]

No, because, you know, I was kind of down for the count. You know, it turns out that, you know, 50 Conan's. Don't, don't necessarily.

[Dana Carvey]

Don't add up to a Carson.

[David Spade]

Don't add up to Conan's.

[Marc Maron]

An audience.

[Dana Carvey]

I was going to say I saw 50 Conan's on here and I was going to say does that bump your road?

[David Spade]

Does it?

[Marc Maron]

You know, no, it didn't. And I don't. I don't even know. Like I could I never could pull an audience and, and you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig. Well, it was, it was a streaming gig for Air America and there were a couple podcasts out there and we were like, well, let's, let's figure it out. I talked to my producer who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old, he worked with me forever and we just figured it out. But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, b comedy rooms as a non selling headliner and match game. Well, maybe.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I know, I know. Believe me.

[David Spade]

Friends that are in that mid level market and there's cruise ships and old folks homes and clubs off label clubs out in the hinderland, doing what you got to do. Tough.

[Marc Maron]

But I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done it. How am I going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do like what, I don't know. But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that, like you know, doing the TV show for ifc, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy acting gigs. Everything happened because of that sort of act of, of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future. There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is gonna, we're gonna really make some money on this. It was like we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, you were like bitcoin. Like no one cared.

[Marc Maron]

No one cared. I wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't even a meme at that point. Yeah, but it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God it worked out. I don't even, I can't even explain it because I don't, I'm not like a big, my big think. I don't think about money, David.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, you know, I like having it enough to eat.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

You know, like that's, that's the, that's how my brain works is like, well, what do you have? You have money now.

[David Spade]

What do you do?

[Marc Maron]

I can eat wherever I want.

[Dana Carvey]

Ceiling money.

[David Spade]

Money is freedom. That's what it's for. Even the great Neil Young about two years ago finally sold part of his catalog and said, I can. And this is Neil Young. You'd think he'd be so rich. But he said, now I can do whatever the I want. I don't have to tour if I don't want to. That he bought his freedom. So money to me, especially as an older comedian, you want to be able to work the way you want to work.

[Marc Maron]

So that's interesting about Neil Young, is he really. He kind of held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released. So he. Somehow or another he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh yeah, it's amazing.

[David Spade]

If you're spending 3, 4 million a year, then you have. You need a lot of money to cough that up, you know. But I was going to ask you about your library because is it 1600 episodes or something like that?

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, it's like about 1600. But Neil came over once that was, that was interesting with Neil.

[David Spade]

Oh, you interviewed. Oh, you had Neil. What?

[Dana Carvey]

Tell me about that.

[David Spade]

I didn't hear that one.

[Marc Maron]

Well, because I, you know, I'm enough of a fan to know enough about him. I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing. And I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing. Remember when he made that. That he was partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the ipod.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

He's a sound fanatic.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it was something else.

[Marc Maron]

No, it was, it was like a box. Yeah, like a portable box. Oh, what was it called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy headset and it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound and people have to re record for. But what was it called? Doesn't matter. So they send me.

[David Spade]

Great, look it up.

[Marc Maron]

They send me the thing and I listen to it. I'm like, all right, whatever. I just want to. I'll talk to Neil Young. So. So he. They sent me the thing and they're. And I was told that like when they get there, you're gonna have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's Neil Young. And like I, I know that with somebody like him because I'm not a huge fan. Every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for, for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned with, with guys like Springsteen, these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80 year old posse. He's got, he's got two, two guys with him that, you know, must have been in their 70s. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy.

[Dana Carvey]

And manager is even older than the old guy.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin. Younger, but still old. I don't even know.

[Dana Carvey]

Was it called Pono?

[David Spade]

I think he passed away.

[Marc Maron]

Pono. Yeah, Pono.

[Dana Carvey]

Pono Music Digital Services.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

So they come over and Neil walks in, and you remember the house. You said it like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar, and he's looking around and. And I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the. The pomo and the headphones. And Neil just, you know, just goes, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in. This guy likes me, right? So, yeah, we go out to the garage, and I decided the way to. The way to start with him is just. I have an old amplifier that I think he uses, one similar to it. So I figured that'll get things started, right? Start getting Neil out there. And I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there, right? He's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just. Well, he did, though, but I didn't know. No one told me. He likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up. But it took like 15 minutes, and it was like. It was hard. But then, like, all of a sudden, he pops open. He's talking about doing Pilates with the Daryl Hannah and. And all this st coming out. And then apparently he goes home, and at his house, Dan Rather is waiting to interview him. Or Dan Rather's podcast.

[David Spade]

I don't know, access or whatever the hell was, right? Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Cable.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And my buddy Brendan's friend works for Rather, and apparently Neil Young walks in, and he come from my house. He kind. He says, I just did a really great interview. And Dan Rather, off camera, of course, says, what made it great? He goes, the guy was fearless, and he wasn't afraid to fail. And I'm like, hey, that's good. That's a good blurb.

[Dana Carvey]

Wow.

[Marc Maron]

But he tested me. He definitely tested me.

[David Spade]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

I would freak out that we had.

[David Spade]

We had David and I. Similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know if you have. Or with your personality, but podcast regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? Yeah, and I'll be kind of in my head really for a couple weeks sometimes. McCartney bothered me for probably a month.

[Marc Maron]

I, I get. What I get is like, I forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for. Yeah, but, but I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me. But it's like for, but for me it's like it's got to be a conversation and I have to be part of it. So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview him in front of a crowd and that was really one of the best moments I've had talking to somebody because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record and, and a lot of them, like Roger Waters or like, I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever, they think that the record they're out promoting is their best, right? And it's like, all right, I'll play along. So, so, so with McCartney, he's out selling. It was at Capitol Records, it was an event. But the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one bought. But I said to him, I said, so Paul, you know, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they, they really think that they're doing their, their best work now. Do you, do you feel that way? And without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles, so that's a pretty high bar. It was so funny.

[David Spade]

That's, that's very.

[Marc Maron]

And I was the guy that told him that Manson had died. He didn't know.

[David Spade]

Huh? I think for, for me there's a lot of us. How. Where are you in the spec? I mean, for. I, I wanted to ask you musically, but also movies, but with music. What, what is there a guy, somebody you haven't had yet or. Who was your true north star? Was it Springsteen? Was it. Well, Roger Waters, Pink Floyd, Dark side of the Moon. For me, Paul McCartney, a Beatle was kind of the appeal.

[Marc Maron]

Beatle was great. And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met. He's a pretty sweet guy.

[David Spade]

No, we would love to interview Ringo.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, I met him at some odd that I got invited to by T Bone Burnett of Ringo's new country record. And, and that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75 year old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But wait, who had the country album? Ringo.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. Put it out.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marc Maron]

T Bone Burnett produced it, and I think he. He now. Beyonce did. I think she got a little more press, but. But no, for me, the North Star, I've had most of them. Springsteen wasn't. Springsteen was funny because, you know, and I just saw him because I did a bit. A little part in that. That movie they're making about him. But I. I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week, and he just put that book out. And, you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, very hard on himself, but all this stuff. But, like, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly. That's the other trick, getting around people's public Personas because, you know, Bruce is sort of like, hey, me and the guys went down this boardwalk and so.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Wrote a song.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know about all about that.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

It's the underbite.

[Marc Maron]

I get there. And like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of, like, this other structure that's got his guitars, his motorcycle in it, and I'm waiting for Bruce. And he. Yeah, he has no idea, really, I don't think who I am. Because he's walking down. He's walking down from the house. His publisher and publicist said, you should do this one. And he's walking down from the house. I just see him coming down. Little Bruce.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And he's holding the book. And I'm like, oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into.

[David Spade]

So here we go.

[Marc Maron]

So he sits down, and I'm just trying. I want to break the ice quick, because, again, I don't. I'm not. I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan, so. So I said to him. I said, so. So what's going on up at the house? A lot of preparation for the holidays. Cooking and presents. And he goes correct. And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour? Whoever. The guy that just went correct with that tone. I want that Springsteen.

[David Spade]

And. What. How did you. Did you do that? Did you.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah, I. I kind of reeled them in because, like, I. By inserting myself into the conversation, they kind of. They're forced to kind of reckon with me, unless they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley.

[David Spade]

So.

[Marc Maron]

And I don't mean the name drop, but I love.

[David Spade]

I love Sexy Beast.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Unbelievable.

[Marc Maron]

It was the. The worst interview. Like, I should have told him to leave. It was that bad. And I don't know why I didn't. Because he's hung up on being called sir. Sir Ben, so. And I didn't do that at the beginning. And I wish I said. I wish I just said, sir Ben, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do it. But anyway, with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you know, and to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. And I just remember there was this moment where, you know, we're talking about what you get from an audience and how, like, it. It's, like, not enough sometimes. And he was like, of course it isn't. So I had him locked into a real conversation, which, again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that, too, because Paul Wilkenfeld, you know her, the bass player, she's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody and she's.

[David Spade]

Oh, play with Jeff Beck at one.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour, and she, I guess, was, you know, somewhere with Bruce, and she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers, and. And Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about, you just talk about what you want to talk about. Just, you know, bulldoze.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And then she said, well, you know, my friend Mark Maron interviewed you. And he said, yeah, he pushed.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, that's good. Well, you know, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that. He'd say, you'd ask him a question like, what happened with those maids? And he goes, this movie is unbelievable. Yeah. He's like, because you can't use anything but what he says, and he doesn't even acknowledge your question.

[David Spade]

I love that. Arnold can never go negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero, he's on.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Matt Lauer. Well, the box office wasn't quite. No, people love the movie, and it's a great hit all over the world. And, you know, there's a little. He can't ever go negative.

[Marc Maron]

But the best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi, that. That's the great dance. Because he'll. He'll always preempt that with, like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay.

[David Spade]

For us, it was just, if you want a candy bar, you do the salute, and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. We didn't know what it was about things like this and all these things and these people. And what did he say in all this stuff. Stuff.

[Dana Carvey]

He ever talk about the maid? We love Arnold.

[Marc Maron]

He has a relationship with the kid, you know, And I think you, after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's. He's owned it. And, you know, he's. He's. He's good with the kid.

[Dana Carvey]

So once everything came out and then he finally goes, all right, let's go bench. And the kid is, like, trying to meet him in the middle. Like, I work out.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, you're my dad. Look at my face.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it is. What. You can't run and you have to move on.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

It's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers. I've got three older brothers, and we always say, what would Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it. It is what it is, and you have to move on. And I love everybody and it. Rather than negative and whiny, but it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways. So you go with that, did you? Because Springsteen's old book is about that.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, yeah. Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that. He's got a switch in his head. Like, he won't even hear it. Like, you know, and he's very charming. Like he, you know.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Like he, you know, he gets on, he sits down, he goes, look at your backs. You know, he goes right into it. And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, oh, thank you.

[David Spade]

Yeah, somebody dealt Day. You know what he said to us? Or he goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little. And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dogs.

[Dana Carvey]

Interview. The whole time he's not listening to our questions. He's just staring at our physique, going.

[David Spade]

Look at that rib cage. I need to get small. When you get older, you have to be small because the heart and all the things have to work harder. And all the things and all the.

[Marc Maron]

I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He had some. Had some work done in there.

[Dana Carvey]

I have another question for Mark. This is my second one. Mark, do you think you don't remember this? You were in the movie Joker. Now, do you think that. Did you think what happened to the second joker, in your humble opinion?

[Marc Maron]

I don't know what I. I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind and decided to take this Interesting cinematic risk that, you know. You know, failed miserably, apparently. But I didn't see it. Did you?

[Dana Carvey]

I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster.

[David Spade]

I didn't see it. I just. I. I couldn't take. When I. The. No.

[Dana Carvey]

I love Todd Phillips. I think that's one of those things as I backtrack, I think it's one of the things where. Great movie. Dana was about to say some comments, but the same thing. Great movie. And then it's. It's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want. And he just goes, let me just try. This will work or it won't work.

[Marc Maron]

The interesting thing is, is he. He had a. You know, he rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one. So weird and cool and, you know, it was. I don't know. He was nice to me, and that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do, like, a little scene with Robert De Niro, and, you know, I thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker, but who the hell knows why, you know, he's a gambler, dude. You know, he just is like, you know, fuck it.

[Dana Carvey]

Sure, let's.

[Marc Maron]

Let's do it. And, yeah, I don't know.

[David Spade]

What's his net worth? I mean, he has freedom. I think if he got a back end on the Hangover dude, he got.

[Marc Maron]

It back in on everything. He's, like, I think, known for foregoing a director's fee.

[Dana Carvey]

Super back.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. For a high percentage of the back end. But. But that scene with De Niro was like. That was. That was a great. That's a great moment for me because, you know. You know, I know that De Niro's not. He's not gonna remember me. You know, I'm just one of those guys that he's met. 100 guys that do two lines with him. Right?

[Dana Carvey]

You're forgettable. Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. And I know it's painful, but. But we're chatting and whatever, you know, but it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be like, you know, his producer.

[Dana Carvey]

Those are hard, by the way. They are kind of at home.

[Marc Maron]

It got cut out. But. But that, you know, we. You know, Todd's there and Bob's there, and. And it's like, you guys just want to go. You ready to do it? I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's do one.

[Dana Carvey]

So.

[Marc Maron]

So we do this walk and talk, and I'm like. He's like, yeah. And Phillips Goes, cut. And I go back to my chair, and I see Robert go to his chair. And then I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair.

[Dana Carvey]

And then.

[Marc Maron]

And then Todd walks over to me, and he goes, hey, you're coming in a little hot. Remember, Bob's your boss. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I got it. But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on set. He went and told the director, like, hey, you know, I think he's. You know, he's not really. Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

He sent over.

[Dana Carvey]

Will you tell him?

[David Spade]

Tell him. Tell Mr. Marin.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah. I had a girl say it to my face. She said it was just an. I did an old movie, and then I had to kiss a girl. I won't say who. I had to kiss her. And I said, hey, before. And I don't know how. I've never done this on camera. Like, she goes, just kiss me like I'm your girlfriend. Just anything. I don't care. And I said, all right. So I just kiss her. Not crazily. I just kiss her. But I touch her cheek and kiss her. And they go, cut. And we're all like, okay. And the director comes up, and she says, she's not even one foot away from my face. She goes, can you tell him not to touch my face?

[Marc Maron]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

And him was me. She did the correct way. She told the director. But right there, I just made me think of that because I was like. I was horrified. I'm like, oh. Because, you know, kissing someone is so too. It's so scary. And you just don't.

[Marc Maron]

Interesting, though, right? That's interesting because she said, kiss me like you're my. My girl, like she's your girlfriend. But apparently the intimacy of the hand touch.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Was not something she anticipated. Or maybe she just has never had a boyfriend that she let touch her face.

[David Spade]

Yes.

[Dana Carvey]

And I wasn't like a super French a thon. I was just trying to, like, give her a little mega, you know, you just open it, you just kiss a little bit. It's nothing crazy. It's a cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt. And you never know what's gonna happen.

[Marc Maron]

With those things, you know?

[Dana Carvey]

So you kissed Bob De Niro. I got.

[Marc Maron]

That was off camera. That was crazy.

[Dana Carvey]

You go, hey, I'm ad libbing.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah. I'm improvising. Can we improvise?

[Dana Carvey]

But were you scared? I did a quick scene. The old days with William Dafoe in my very, very old days, in a part that Dana turned down. And during snl and, well, Paul Schrader was the director and I was almost sick from nerves because I'm gonna. And Willem Dafoe, super cool, did one scene, same thing. He wouldn't remember in a million years. But of course, you get your nerves just ramp up. Mine were. It's De Niro. It's still. No matter what. It's still.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, totally. I felt okay about it because I don't know, I think I'm getting better at acting. But the benefit. I talked to Willem Dafoe. Not a great time. Not a great time.

[Dana Carvey]

Not a great time.

[Marc Maron]

I don't.

[Dana Carvey]

Tough. He's on here too. Some are toughies.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll.

[Dana Carvey]

Give me something.

[Marc Maron]

I got to look at your face for an hour.

[David Spade]

So.

[Dana Carvey]

He'S got a lot of character in his face.

[David Spade]

He's a great character.

[Marc Maron]

It's not a negative thing necessarily. It's intense.

[David Spade]

But necessarily, it's an intense face to stare at for an hour.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, but. But no, in terms of nerves, I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people because, like, you know, after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, you're like, wow, they're just people. And some of them, you know, aren't even that interesting. So. So knowing that going in, it's true and it's not a bad thing, but I seem to qualify a lot of things. That's not negative. I'm not positive.

[David Spade]

The qualifier. Mark Marin is the qualifier.

[Dana Carvey]

What happens when you go, hey, Bob, when you want to. If you ever want to buzz over to the Glendale, I want you to pop in.

[Marc Maron]

And I'd like to talk to him, but he's one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors.

[Dana Carvey]

He's a Chatter, though. That's not probably.

[Marc Maron]

He's got more chatty. He's got.

[David Spade]

Who are we talking about? I missed De Niro.

[Marc Maron]

Bob De Niro. But, like, in terms of nerves, I was. I was more nervous when I had. I just did an indie where I had to play the lead. And that was a real. That I was nervous about that because, you know, I had. I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was pretty confident. And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone, and it was a life changing, terrifying thing that was kind of amazing. And I Was nervous to do a scene with her.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And she's kind of intimidating.

[Dana Carvey]

Big star. That's a big dude.

[Marc Maron]

Big star. It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out, because I told it, and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything, but she did the movie because she likes me. And it's one scene, and it was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it. Alan Ruck. Michael McKean played my manager.

[Dana Carvey]

Love him.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, the. What's his name? Jason. Is it Jason? No, it's not Jason. No, the kid from. Oh, now I feel bad. He was so funny.

[Dana Carvey]

Silver Spoons Bateman.

[Marc Maron]

No. You know, the one we used to do the Apple commercials. Was involved with Drew Barrymore for Justin Long. Justin Long.

[David Spade]

Oh, Justin Long.

[Marc Maron]

Funny fucker, that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I like him.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, my God. So funny. But I was nervous about that. But I. I just did the best I could. That's all you can do, right?

[Dana Carvey]

Does anybody call you after your podcast? And who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go, take this out. Take that? Or do you say, no, no, no, I'm not.

[Marc Maron]

I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our. Our jam. Well, that's good. I hope I gave you enough.

[Dana Carvey]

You gave us a little sand. Not enough for a bag.

[Marc Maron]

Almost always. I would say always. It's only because they said something about somebody else that probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way.

[Dana Carvey]

Sure.

[Marc Maron]

It's never like, them. Yeah. Like, just like, you know, I didn't have to say that about, you know, we're kind of friends.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It comes off funny. And then later they go, what if they get mad or whatever?

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah. And people do get mad. Everyone's talking too much. That's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast. It's like, you know, actors, you know, are. Are just coming out with, like, well, 20 years ago, it's like, oh, my God, we can't get out from under this thing. No one shuts up anymore.

[Dana Carvey]

I see ones now. It's like full sex life that people just have nowhere else to go. So now it's like, right, here's everything in my life. Here's about my plastic surgery is. But here, follow me and my camera into my plastic surgery, into my, you know, kidney.

[Marc Maron]

What are we doing? Yeah. Or people talking about, you know, you know, moments they had with people, like, 20 years ago. Well, not even that. Just, like, awkward moments. And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? Why'd you. I mean, what was the point?

[Dana Carvey]

But some people are like. It almost seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of content.

[Marc Maron]

I know.

[Dana Carvey]

They have a big announcement, and you're like, this.

[David Spade]

It takes.

[Dana Carvey]

It happens to be your hundredth episode.

[David Spade]

Well, we know what would trend and get pickup. You know, I don't.

[Marc Maron]

I really. I don't.

[Dana Carvey]

You never really know what they pick up. Sometimes you do.

[David Spade]

Surprising. But if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this. Like, Robin, you kind of. It's gonna trend. But it. But it. Well, they've been on five podcasts. By the time they get to us.

[Marc Maron]

Then it's right, well, no, that's a problem. But with Robin, there was no trending. Hadn't happened yet.

[David Spade]

So. Okay.

[Marc Maron]

And it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it. And, you know, it just worked out because I was a comic, and I'm also like, have a dark side. And there was no one else there that we got this conversation. And thank God we did, because it seems to be the only one. He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide. At the end, both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDV interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him.

[Dana Carvey]

How did he pass away?

[Marc Maron]

Jonathan Winters?

[David Spade]

He.

[Marc Maron]

He passed away in character, which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies.

[David Spade]

He was actually Ma Frickerd, and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate.

[Dana Carvey]

He's a guy that my dad used to tell me, now, this is common. And he was funny. And then when Robin was like, oh, this guy. But I couldn't appreciate it growing up, I just thought he was funny. I didn't know how good. You know, you can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters.

[David Spade]

Like, what John the Winners did was very specific and very detailed. It was not just ad hoc.

[Marc Maron]

He was out there, dude. He was, like, out there. Like, it was. There's. I had a beautiful moment with him in his house, and I always tell the story. I don't know if it really lands. So that's a good setup.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. But give us the unlandables.

[Marc Maron]

Okay. We're at his house.

[David Spade]

I'm already in. I'm all in. John the Winners. And you're talking.

[Marc Maron]

He wants, you know, he's like, he's got this sort of weird, you know, childlike, you know, thing that, you know, he, in, in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore a, like a Union army colonel's brim tat. But we, we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me what he said, I want to show you the planes.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Marc Maron]

So what that ultimately was is that he has this four post bed, four poster bed in this bedroom, and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes. All right, that's, that's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters and every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points to this old ass picture of this boy with a, with a puppy. And he goes a miss that dog. And I was like, oh my gosh. You're like this whole life of, of entertainment and that's what, you know, the dog, he's a little kid. Sweet, right? That's supposed to be sad.

[David Spade]

David. That's kind of interesting.

[Dana Carvey]

Danny.

[David Spade]

I know someone who had dinner with Dan at Danny K's house.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And he was very quiet during the dinner. And they're letting everyone out. It's the same kind of thing. Hall of fame wall, Danny K pictures. And someone asked one question. Then it was two hours, photo by photo. Here I'm with Jack Benny. Here I am. Here I am here.

[Marc Maron]

Have you watched any of those? Like, not the, not the, the Dean Martin roast, but there's footage somewhere. I don't know where I found it with some streaming service of actual Friars Club roasts that were done.

[David Spade]

Oh yeah, I might have seen one.

[Marc Maron]

It's always the same guys. And it's not a great day as Henny Youngman's always there and they're, they literally have him on. And you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody. He just does his horrible jokes. So they just, they just have him on to bust his balls. But what was, was so interesting about so many of those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are.

[David Spade]

The one who always got me and I, I'm curious about Old time. Here we go again. Was always as a kid, was Don Rickles the best, Just the funniest and dry, like, weird. No joke, like, get out of cookie, put him in the corner, pack him in ice. He doesn't know the show started. There's no real jokes. It's the rhythm and the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. If you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there. Look at this. Isn't it? Did that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck? What does that mean?

[David Spade]

Yeah, right.

[Dana Carvey]

It sounds like a Jonathan Johnny.

[David Spade]

The show started, okay. You know, funniest guy.

[Marc Maron]

Ed's over there going, oh, yeah, that's it. He was very. Give him a cookie. Yeah, the funniest one. He used to live when he did those roasts. And there were some of the old Hollywood guys there, like Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart. He would say, jimmy, I talked to the family. You're doing fine.

[Dana Carvey]

That's so funny.

[David Spade]

I know. You just can't be Jimmy. Do you know where you are?

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. You ever see that?

[David Spade]

That.

[Marc Maron]

The Clint Eastwood roast. He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard. It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know, it wasn't a roast. The tribute.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

So he gets up, he says, you know, he still opens with, I, I, I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever. But. But they've had a whole evening at this point. And he says, what a wonderful evening. He says, clint, your son played bass. We sat through that.

[Dana Carvey]

Such a rip.

[Marc Maron]

So good.

[Dana Carvey]

And everyone kind of laughs like they had a cut.

[Marc Maron]

To the kids who, you know, took it well in the moment, but probably, you know, not great.

[Dana Carvey]

And like that everyone was drunk, was funny. They were like. He goes, oh, I had a few drinks backstage.

[Marc Maron]

He's so funny when he that, that older Rickles on Letterman with Denzel Washington. That is. That's so funny.

[Dana Carvey]

What does he say? And look at the black guy over here.

[Marc Maron]

Well, no, that was, it was a little post that. But he, he just kept busting on Letterman, mumbling. He just, he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like, Letterman opens with, like, you and Frank have been friends a long time, and both your wives are named Barbara, right? And Rickles goes, what are you, a detective?

[David Spade]

Listen to this guy.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, I've seen that. It's the best.

[Dana Carvey]

That's so awesome. Yeah, those old roast, the Dean Martin, those are the coolest ones.

[Marc Maron]

Those are good. Yeah, they're great. Because it was like everybody in Hollywood, it felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people, and now they just let anyone.

[David Spade]

In, have you been roasted on the. Any of these rows, Comedy Central or. And. Or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted?

[Dana Carvey]

I don't.

[Marc Maron]

I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life on the deus of the Chevy Chase Roast. Oh. Like, it was like.

[David Spade]

It's a famous one, right?

[Dana Carvey]

Because that was when you were at that one.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, I was one of the guys. And, you know, all I can say. I could say more. But, you know, after that, I was in a room at that. That Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam, almost on the verge of tears, thinking, like, I can't do this. I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore. It was so fucking. I bombed so hard. So hard. And I'm not good at that. I'm roast Chevy.

[Dana Carvey]

And I think back then, I was thinking, wait, this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them. So it's a very odd vibe.

[Marc Maron]

Like, I don't think they could have gotten. They couldn't.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, we didn't know that back then. I mean, I just thought. I used to see Dean Martin, and they go, hey, there's my buddy over here. Yeah, Buttons.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But to go.

[Marc Maron]

Any SNL people there? And I had pretty good jokes, but I.

[David Spade]

But.

[Marc Maron]

But by my nature, if I'm insulting somebody, I really mean it to. It's hostile, and I don't have the.

[Dana Carvey]

By my nature.

[Marc Maron]

I don't have the distance necessary to make it funny. But I had good jokes, and thank God they sweetened the.

[Dana Carvey]

Out of it.

[Marc Maron]

But in the room, I tanked hard, and so did a lot of people.

[Dana Carvey]

How. Big crowd? It's not a big crowd, is it?

[David Spade]

No, it was the pain on Chevy's face watching it.

[Marc Maron]

He didn't want to be there. He didn't want to be there.

[David Spade]

Pain, because it's. It's. Oh, is this what they think of me? It's like me doing an impression to someone. If they get upset, it's like, oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah game.

[David Spade]

I mean, David, you did one, right?

[Dana Carvey]

I did one. I wouldn't get roasted. It's actually good roasted.

[David Spade]

But you were the mc.

[Dana Carvey]

I said I'd host one. I don't even know why, because all you have to do is be in the vicinity and you're fucked, you know?

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So, I mean, I remember that. I found that out because I was watching one and they go, speaking of anal, Warts. Andy Dick's here tonight. And then they put in the crowd and they put a spotlight. He goes, wait, me? I came to watch. I'm not even on the fucking dais. Like, I didn't know. It's fair game. They're like, no, we know where you're sitting.

[David Spade]

We got a camera ready for you.

[Marc Maron]

And so you got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this room.

[Dana Carvey]

I got lucky because I was, I was the host, so I was gonna get it. But who came in at the last minute? We had a fallout. Ann Coulter. And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, you know, you had. You had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for. And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Ann Coulter. And I was like, oh, thank God I only got some. They all sting. I hated them all. I'm not good at getting roasted. I'm like, it's like a thousands stabs, you know, death.

[Marc Maron]

I kind of like it. But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer.

[David Spade]

Where were you? There's our trender. There's our trender. Thank you. She came up with her book and.

[Dana Carvey]

She was, she was Teflon. She walked up with her book and just started plugging it. She didn't. In fairness, I don't think she knew what she was getting into. She thought it was like some sort of promotion. She brought her book up the day I said, and everyone's basically saying, hey, fuck you. It was pretty, pretty rough.

[Marc Maron]

So I find a diplomatic word for her. I can't think of us.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah. But Jewel was there getting funny jokes anyway. Overall, it was a pretty fun roast. And we can talk about.

[David Spade]

I don't.

[Marc Maron]

I can take a shot. I don't mind getting hit, you know, I. But I don't think I'm in the position in celebrity wise to ever get roasted as an evening. But I don't mind.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's a couple minutes roasting. No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was out there going, and then I wrote it down. I hate you now. I hate you now. I hate you.

[Marc Maron]

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[David Spade]

I don't read comments. You read. David reads comments. You read comments about your podcast much? Are you good with that or you're kind of.

[Marc Maron]

I don't like, I, I seem to be pretty, pretty disengaged from Twitter. You know, I don't, I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally I'll look at, you know, messages or on posts on Instagram, but I, I don't, you know, and I do get emails sometimes, but I, I, I got out of that because they all, you know, a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts. So, you know.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

And you know, when you read them, the part of your brain that lives in this real, the real world we live in goes like, well, that's just part of it. But the, the, the really sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that true? And, and then you got to process that. I don't have. Yeah, I can't detach from it, but they land. But not for that long.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, someone, you know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback, positive or negative. Sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism. If they say you're always doing this or you always do this or wish you would change it and then you go, God, enough people said that something's up. You know, I have. But if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly. Almost, almost 100% of the time if I answer them or I DM them.

[Marc Maron]

No, no, don't do that.

[Dana Carvey]

Say, do we got a problem? They always go, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan. Or they're nice.

[Marc Maron]

That's right.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh yeah, might just come kill me. So it's really a dangerous game, to be honest.

[David Spade]

Do you listen to Your podcast?

[Marc Maron]

No.

[David Spade]

Have you ever? Yeah, because Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head in the park. I gotta hear it.

[Marc Maron]

I. I don't listen to it. I can't watch my producer.

[David Spade]

He gives you.

[Marc Maron]

I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like, since we're still audio and that's our game, he's very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation, like, you know, that.

[Dana Carvey]

That.

[Marc Maron]

That's fleeting. You know, you can only remember certain things from conversation.

[Dana Carvey]

So.

[Marc Maron]

So if I ever have a question about something I discuss with somebody, my producer has become like. Like my active memory because he spends a few hours with it, and he remembers everything, and he's like, well, you talked to so and so about that. I have no recollection. And so I. I really need him just to be, you know, my. My functioning memory of these things.

[David Spade]

Yeah, I'm. I was just curious earlier today, like, when we talk to guests and stuff, like, for. You are as consuming art or like, movies or are you into that? I mean, movies, music, or.

[Marc Maron]

Totally.

[David Spade]

Is Patton Oswald. We started talking about movies, and he just.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, boy.

[David Spade]

That's a.

[Marc Maron]

That's a long conversation. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Okay. We don't have to go. I don't know what year, you know, but I remember. Yeah, it was the killers from 1958.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah.

[Marc Maron]

Here we go.

[David Spade]

Anyway, 2001 is based. I'm trying to guess your favorite movie. Okay, that would be tough. Or your top that you. You see more than once.

[Marc Maron]

Yes, of course.

[David Spade]

Here's. Here's a question. If you could only watch one movie tonight, would it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes? Original.

[Marc Maron]

Those are my only two choices. What, did you let Pat and Oswald get in your head?

[David Spade]

I know that's left over. I didn't talk to the producer. I already asked that question.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

You give us two movies. Three Days of the Condor or Alien.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, you know, you kind of. Kind of have to go with Alien on those two. I mean, Three Days of Condor is great, but, like, I. I would imagine you probably get a little more. If you. If you really kind of savored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be still pretty jarring. Whereas Three Days of the Condor, you're kind of like, all right, I know it's jarring.

[David Spade]

Well, that's who, you know, maybe. Was it Faye Dunaway? Oh, yeah, Condor. Where are you? Condor in the pocket.

[Dana Carvey]

I didn't know what that movie is about and I watched it, honestly, a year ago. I. I always heard about it. Oh, it's a weird name. I'm like, why would I go to this movie?

[David Spade]

Fun, cool movie. I like watching changed movies. Alien, Change that. Great.

[Marc Maron]

I watch. I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the theater to watch movies. Like, I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana and I'll go see and I watch the old movies. Like, I just watched the Conversation again because I didn't really get it the first time.

[David Spade]

I should watch that again. Gene Hackman, 1975.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah. Well, look at you with the Google.

[Dana Carvey]

I asked.

[David Spade]

No, no, that's all here.

[Marc Maron]

No, but like, I remember seeing it years ago and I was like, this is slow because I didn't lock in. But like, Gene Hackman doing almost anything. He's just kind of amazing.

[David Spade]

I talk about him all the time.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

That. He's a freak.

[Dana Carvey]

He was.

[David Spade]

He's always.

[Dana Carvey]

Chewing gum.

[David Spade]

So great.

[Dana Carvey]

Who's yours? Everything.

[David Spade]

I did watch the Tom Cruise movie where he's the. The Firm.

[Marc Maron]

The best.

[David Spade]

The movie's great and he's crazy. Yeah. If you haven't seen the movie the Firm, it's like a sure fire great movie. Go ahead.

[Marc Maron]

It's like. It's like a Sidney Pollock movie. I mean, people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made. So that's a full on. Just because it's a Grisham book doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollock did that movie and the castle is crazy.

[Dana Carvey]

Crazy doesn't mean it's going to be hacky.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, true. What was the other one? I mean, Coppola directed the Rainmaker and that's another one.

[David Spade]

That's another John Grissom book.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, but that's like. It's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke, McConaughey.

[Dana Carvey]

That's not McConaughey.

[Marc Maron]

No, that's another one. That was. It was earlier. But the Firm is. The Firm is firm is Terry.

[Dana Carvey]

Terry Keeney.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it's great.

[Marc Maron]

And Wilford Boomerly. Wilford Brimley.

[David Spade]

So good.

[Marc Maron]

He's a heavy man.

[Dana Carvey]

Names are so good.

[David Spade]

Gary Busey. Good.

[Marc Maron]

Gary Busey's in it. And then what's her name, the genius actress. Hunter.

[Dana Carvey]

It's not Gene.

[David Spade]

Oh, Holly Hunter.

[Marc Maron]

Gene. Triple horn.

[David Spade]

Yeah, triple horn.

[Dana Carvey]

She in it.

[David Spade]

The love interest.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise.

[Marc Maron]

Ed Harris is in it too. It's an insane cast.

[Dana Carvey]

And then Ackman Hackman leading the charge.

[David Spade]

Him trying to seduce his wife down in the Caribbean.

[Dana Carvey]

And then.

[David Spade]

And he knows she's conning him. I mean, it's. He's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch. Gene Hackman, you know?

[Marc Maron]

Kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch, like, lately I've been like, I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know, and then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole movie. I watched, I watched the other guys the other night just because I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two.

[Dana Carvey]

Will Ferrell, a car chase beginning.

[Marc Maron]

It's. It's so fun. Yeah, that thing great with the Rock and. And what's his name?

[David Spade]

Mark Wahlberg.

[Marc Maron]

No, the Rock. And what's it, Sam Jackson. Sam Jackson jumping off the roof. That is hilarious. And the two of them together when Wahlberg focuses, man, he's. Yeah, he's good at comedy. He can do it, dude.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes, he's good in a lot. He does a lot of stuff.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Marc Maron]

How's this movie with you and Theo Vaughn? What's that? What's that about?

[Dana Carvey]

Busboys is. It's a beating. We're doing it right now. It's tough. It's hard to do because it's small budget indie, but it's super fun because.

[Marc Maron]

Is it small budget indie?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Well, it's just us. We put it together, we put money in and we just said we just want to go try it and.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And then decide what to do with it. That's scary. Like.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Don't go nature it don't go around.

[Marc Maron]

It seems like he's got enough juice. I mean, someone will see it. But I thought Bert had enough juice too to put his little movie over the top. But I don't think it got there. But I mean, you know, people watch it. People like Theo, they like what comedies.

[David Spade]

Are just live streaming now. Are one.

[Dana Carvey]

We don't know. We might do it straight to video. I mean, straight to consumer.

[Marc Maron]

Straight to video.

[David Spade]

Yeah, straight to video. The 90s are calling.

[Dana Carvey]

We're going so old.

[Marc Maron]

That reminds me of like when one time I was like, this is in the last five years. I was at the Comedy Store, right? And out of the darkness, like Steve Kravitz just emerges.

[David Spade]

He's Steve Kravitz. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marc Maron]

He's still here. Dude. I saw him the other night. And he's okay, you know, he's okay.

[David Spade]

Oh, good. He's funny.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, he was funny, but like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's, he's 70 something now, but it was just a few years ago. And he's like, yeah, I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, hey, where do I set my tape? And I'm like, maybe the 1985. Maybe you send the tape maybe to.

[Dana Carvey]

The D' Annunzio brothers at the Funny Bone. Isn't that somebody. Yeah, they used to watch your. I used to send my tape, the Funny Bone, my half inch vhs. And they're like, they must have a pile of tapes. I'm like, it's been a whole day. Are they gonna watch it or not? They don't give.

[Marc Maron]

Oh my God. I remember there was a booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in Austin. And one of the women who would get tape submissions and she, she was dating somebody. Like we knew. Like we got hold of a couple of the tapes and there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom and he's doing jokes and he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter of a laughter track on a record.

[Dana Carvey]

Wow.

[Marc Maron]

So you, you would do a joke and you'd literally hear the needle drop.

[David Spade]

Oh, funny.

[Marc Maron]

Pull back up again.

[Dana Carvey]

That's a good idea.

[David Spade]

Analog Lo Fi world, kind of.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Something charming about that.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, Mark, before you let you go, I gotta ask you about one movie and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap ups. But you've been very nice to talk. I see Mark at the Comedy Store now. And then we always have a little chat, a couple laughs, and then we get our $48. We get the out of there. Yeah. And I. Oh, someone said today that to Leslie, you were very, very good and they loved you in it and they heard I was talking to you, so.

[Marc Maron]

Oh, well, that's nice to hear. I definitely, I did the work on that one, like, because, like, I don't know, like I, I always wanted to act, but I know I'm okay at it and I got better, but I still never, I'm still like, it's, it's not, it's not necessarily an exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of waiting around, which makes me crazy for sure. But like, I was trying with that movie. I Didn't want to do it. And the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID You know, Lynn had passed away, and, you know, they were. The guy kept bothering me, you know, and it's. It's. The role is like this kind of, you know, slightly beaten up Texan guy. And I'm thinking, like, you get. There's like nine. Nine or 20 cowboy character actors you could get to do this. Why me? And, you know, finally he gets through. He gets me on the phone. He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me? All right, I'll try. And I told him, like, I don't know about the accent. He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized, like, dude, if you're gonna do this, you know, take a risk, you know, no one's gonna see this movie. It's like, it shoots in, like, two weeks on film out in the desert here. So I worked with a dialect coach, and this is funny. You'll probably get it, Dana. Yeah, you will too, I guess, because it's just a reference that no one gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach, and I'm like, how do I do a Texan accent? She's like, well, there really is no Texan accent specifically, but I think we'll do Lubbock.

[David Spade]

And I'm like, okay.

[Marc Maron]

Love it. So she sends me, you know, the. The phonetics, and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent. And it's just like. Like a few, like, behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like, this is the only. The only example of Lubbock Davis.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I love Mac Davis, for sure.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, he's a good. He's a funny actor, too. But. But, yeah, well, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in, and I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did all right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Kahn. I was watching movies of early movies of his, and all these guys try accents, and very few of them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit, you know?

[David Spade]

Yeah, the Australians are great at accents for some reason, and a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David Hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie. Right. That's the best way to hear it because, you know, they're not saying it's legit.

[Dana Carvey]

She was like, oh, my God.

[David Spade]

Oh, by the way, you see Myron special. It was fantastic.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, yeah, it's nice to see someone. My wife did somebody.

[Dana Carvey]

No, that's a fictitious.

[David Spade]

Well, you know, you do specials, you do a podcast, and you're a damn good actor. You've got a series. I'm just saying. I mean, I don't know any other. You're like a triple and an author.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, you know, I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at. And it's, you know, it's. I'm glad I've had all the opportunity. And I. And I keep trying to get better. What can you do?

[David Spade]

It's just, how much joy can you get out of your incredible life? That's really.

[Marc Maron]

Yeah, well, the joy thing, that's a whole other thing.

[David Spade]

I mean, less miserable. Less miserable.

[Marc Maron]

And in terms of, like, talking about ESO and now I didn't get it. Oh, okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Thank you for the people that waited till the end.

[David Spade]

All right, well, that's a perfect end of a podcast.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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