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Jim Daly
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Tim Gaglein
And I think we have a duty to go tell a new generation the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think evangelization is absolutely at the core of reintroducing to a new generation the concept of human liberty and human dignity and the idea of what constitutes actual justice. I think it begins there.
John Fuller
That's Tim Gaeglein. He's vice president of external and government relations for Focus on the Family, and he has important thoughts and insights about.
Tim Gaglein
Sharing our faith in the culture and.
John Fuller
Honoring what the American founders did to secure our freedom. This is FOCUS on THE FAMILY with your host, FOCUS President and author Jim Daly. And I'm John Fuller.
Jim Daly
John, our country is in a bit of trouble when it comes to understanding our history and how truly blessed we are to have the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. This is a great time to revisit what a America stands for and how it's all tied into Judeo Christian values. Until recently, faith has always been at the center of our success and core to the values of this country. Tim Gegline articulates this idea extremely well in his book, Toward a More Perfect the Moral and Cultural Case for Teaching the Great American Story. Parents, whether your children are in public school or private school or homeschooled, you'll want to lean into our discussion today. Tim has some great things to say that will encourage you and your children.
John Fuller
Yeah. And Tim works in our Washington, D.C. office and has such an appreciation for our country's heritage. We have his book, as Jim said, toward a More Perfect Union. You can request that from us here at FOCUS on THE Family. And when you do, you're helping support our outreach to families. So thanks for clicking on the link in the show notes to donate and receive that book. Now here's Jim Daly with Tim Gaglein on FOCUS ON THE family.
Jim Daly
Tim, thanks for joining me.
Tim Gaglein
It's a pleasure and an honor. Thank you.
Jim Daly
It's so good and it's wonderful your contribution out in D.C. and you and I have a lot of fun together.
Tim Gaglein
Yes.
Jim Daly
I think, you know, you just have such a wonderful temperament as a DC in the Beltway kind of guy.
Tim Gaglein
Thank you.
Jim Daly
You're not. You're in it, but not of it.
Tim Gaglein
Thank you.
Jim Daly
And I so appreciate that your friendship list is astonishing over the years. So just quickly, I mean, you worked with Dan Coates, Dan Quayle, even all the way back there. And then the wow. White House President George W. Bush.
Tim Gaglein
Yes.
Jim Daly
You've written this great book Toward a More Perfect the Moral and Cultural Case for Teaching the Great American Story. When you look at this idea of toward a more perfect union, you know everybody's going to have a perception. This is politics, it's the culture. It's where we live a we're never really going to get to a perfect union.
Tim Gaglein
That's right.
Jim Daly
Except for Christians. We're going to arrive in heaven except. And God has created a perfect place there.
Tim Gaglein
Yes.
Jim Daly
But for us in that striving, have we come a long way or are we going backward?
Tim Gaglein
I think both at the same time. And you're great to ask. And I purposely selected that phrase from the preamble to the Constitution. Toward a more perfect union. As you say, Jim, it's aspirational. It's not we're a perfect union, it's that that is what we aspire to. And the subtitle is, you know, the Moral and Cultural Case for Teaching the Great American Story. And here's the bottom line. In my wonderful work for Focus on the Family, I travel about a third of the time and I am always sobered and a bit shocked because I spend a lot of time with young people on campuses and you know, you'll mention something in American history that you are certain that everybody knows.
Jim Daly
And these are elite colle very often.
Tim Gaglein
And I found in doing the empirical research for this book that overwhelmingly we're living in a time of cultural amnesia. The historic, the cultural, the constitutional illiteracy among the rising generation of young Americans is very substantial. And our founding fathers and mothers said how do you have liberty and freedom over time but always making sure that the next generation understands citizenship, understands the American story. And I think we're in a moment which is a bit of a hinge history in America.
Jim Daly
In fact, you cited a poll taken in 2021 that indicated only 36% of adults ages 18 to 24. So that's new adults at 18 to 24 kind of your college age kids said they were proud to be American compared to 86% for those over 65 now traveling the globe. I've been to 70 countries. We do have an amazing, if not the most amazing country in this world. And I literally one of those days I got back from a trip. It was hard. Third world countries, very high poverty rates, you know, poor medical, the whole bit. And I got down and kissed the ground when I got back. And I meant it.
Tim Gaglein
Yes. I can't wait to respond to this point. I have a love affair with America and I always have since I was a boy. But it's not blind patriotism. You know, this is a country, a culture and a civilization that is worthy of our love. It's worthy of our patriotism. It's healthy and good to teach the rising generation of young Americans the American story. But we cut everyone short if we teach them that this is a perfect country.
Jim Daly
I don't think anybody's ever said that.
Tim Gaglein
No, exactly right. And I think that it's very important, not that we say we want to go back to 1920 or back to 1950 or whatever that is. I think we have to be forward looking and say, what about the future? What about the time in which we find ourselves? And I think, Jim, we have a bit of reform, you know, we have to reform in order to preserve. And I think if we're going to preserve our constitutional republic, we have to be busy and intentional about teaching the great American story. Why is the Founding important? Why is the Constitution important? Why did the Civil War matter? What was going on in Vietnam? What's Watergate about? What about the social and the moral revolution of the 1960s, 70s, and 80s? What is the Cold War? It's important that our young people know that. And in my travels for Focus on the Family, what I have realized is that we have gaps, we have chasms among the young people in our country. But I'm a bottomless optimist. I mean, I'm an inveterate optimist because I believe at the same time that we're in this difficult moment, I think we are also seeing at the exact same time a parental and a grandparental rebellion. People are saying, can I run for the school board? What is the school board? What is the curriculum?
Jim Daly
Which is great.
Tim Gaglein
Exactly.
Jim Daly
That's how you regain these truths, the ability to be able to inculcate them appropriately into kids.
Tim Gaglein
I feel very strongly that the reform that we all want begins in the family. It begins in marriage. It begins in our churches, in our communities.
Jim Daly
Yeah, I think that's one of the things that makes it so frustrating as a par. My boys went to a school that taught the Declaration, taught the Constitution. They had to read it, they had to regurgitate questions about it, you know, and answers, which was really Good. So we have that common vocabulary. But shockingly, so few public schools require any kind of civics lesson. Now. Most kids don't even know the Constitution.
Tim Gaglein
I can't wait to share this in behalf of Focus on the Family. I was teaching, asked to teach or speak in five classes at one of the most well known universities in the United States. And across all of those classes, I asked, how many of you are from California or have spent part of your young lives in California? Jim. There was a forest of hands. Okay, put your hands down. I said, okay. How many of you have ever heard of Father Sarah? Right, Jim. Across five classes, one hand, which is.
Jim Daly
Amazing because I was raised in California. That was taught to us back in the 60s and 70s.
Tim Gaglein
Father Sarah, essentially one of, if not the most important founders of California. The whole idea of the missions. I mean, California is an extraordinary state, this remarkable history of a single state. But it's impossible to understand California's greatness without understanding the missions and what they meant to the contribution and the building of California. He's been erased because he's not politically correct. Chief Seattle. I write about Chief Seattle at length. Chief Seattle deserves to be better known. There's a reason that Seattle, Washington, is named for this remarkable American Indian. He was so great, Jim. He was the chief of not one, but two tribes, but he was a slaveholder, and therefore he's been erased. I spoke in behalf of Focus on the Family at another major college, this one an elite one. I wasn't speaking about World War II, but I mentioned Winston Churchill. And Jim afterward, I mean, you know this. You do a lot of public speaking after you've, you know, spoken and do the Q and A, people come down to the podium to kibitz and talk and conversate. And I had a sizable number of young undergraduates who came down and said, we're so pleased that you mentioned this character Winston Churchill. Tell us more about him. We've never heard about him.
Jim Daly
Oh, my goodness.
Tim Gaglein
And I'm thinking to myself, how did this happen? You know?
Jim Daly
Well, let me ask you this, because part of it, you know, we look at conspiracies, and I don't like to be in that category, but there does seem to be a consistent systematic deconstruction of our history of what is right, what is acceptable, et cetera. And, you know, in the beginning here, like I Talked about in 2020, it takes the form of what seems to be like this chaos. All of a sudden people looting, people doing things, breaking things down, going after, talking about the cancel culture and things like that. Is it wrong to think this is just some kind of bizarre, spontaneous response, or is this calculated?
Tim Gaglein
I feel very strongly that it's not conspiratorial in the least bit to say that there are two colossal competing worldviews. There is one worldview that says that the United States of America, objectively, is a remarkable country, that Western civilization, from which America is born, is worth knowing about. You have to know why Jerusalem, Athens, Rome, Philadelphia and London. You have to know why they matter. You have to know the importance of the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution. You have to know why Winston Churchill was the lion in winter and why his courage mattered. We have to understand why Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were evil. We have to understand why Lincoln was great. We have to understand why Abigail Adams and Harriet Tubman are important and central to the American story. And when we erase them, when we cancel them, we are against a worldview that says objective truth does not ultimately matter, that all morals are relative and that nihilism is acceptable, and that you can have it as an applied reality to the next generation of young people.
Jim Daly
Yeah. And the reality of all of this is we as a culture will decide if it's going to take us to this dead end or if we're going to make some corrections and get back to becoming a more perfect union.
Tim Gaglein
That's it.
Jim Daly
Yeah. And it's so, so true and accurate. You challenge Christians to focus not only on what they believe, but what, why they believe it. Explain that.
Tim Gaglein
If there is an upside to everything, Jim, that we have discussed today, it's no longer easy to live as a biblical Christian in the United States of America. We cannot assume that in any of our major cultural institutions, nor in any of our popular cultural institutions, that somehow the narrative agrees with us. That was not always the case. And so for the first time in a major way, the rising generation of young Americans have to determine what their worldview is. Why is it that I believe what I believe? And those of us who are Christians, I believe, have a duty, a moral duty, to convey why it is and what it is we believe to this generation because it's very difficult for them. They fear being canceled. They fear social ostrazation. They feel having their future job prospects damaged. I mean, social media can be a great tool for good, and it can also be a great tool for destruction.
Jim Daly
Well, what's chilling, think of what you're describing. It is a totalitarianism that if you have a different opinion, then you can't find a job or you get fired. I mean, that is chilling stuff.
Tim Gaglein
I'm eager to share this. I was at a dinner party with a group of young, bright, smart undergraduates last December in Washington and a woman who is at Stanford University, a native Californian who shares our worldview, who was raised on Focus on the Family, who loves this ministry. She said to me that all of her friends and comrades and compatriots who share our worldview in the Bay Area, young people, she said that they learn to self censor themselves, that they learn and teach themselves how to navigate the social media landscape that we find ourselves in. She's written about this, I think, in a very evocative way. And I think it's just proof positive that that's the time that we find ourselves in.
Jim Daly
Well, and fundamentally this is the error of that way.
Tim Gaglein
Yes, it is.
Jim Daly
It doesn't mirror us being created in the image of God. God himself gives us a choice to believe in him or not believe in him. And hear these construct of society come along and they want to push us into a belief system. I'm really struggling to even see where a dictator has survived. It doesn't work. Eventually they get caught. You even look at the Soviet Union, 70, 80 years and then poof, it went away. And I just feel like it's one of the hidden corrections that God puts in culture and humanity because people do that. They self regulate and they don't talk about their true feelings. And honesty is not out on the table and debate doesn't happen. But you create an underground of resentment and resistance emotionally, socially, and that becomes a force that usually takes down the dictator.
Tim Gaglein
May I tell you, this is in my view the most important narrative of American history in the 21st century. How do you live in a constitutional republic at a time of a major measurable spiritual recession? That's the moment we find ourselves in. We are living in a time of a crisis of fatherhood. We are living in a time of a plague of loneliness. And it's underscored by this idea that somehow you can have liberty and freedom over time without virtue, virtue being a fancy word for moral excellence. That somehow you can maintain the American project, but somehow wall it off from the centrality of faith and religion back to John Adams. You know, Jim, John Adams gave an incredibly important speech to the Massachusetts militia in the very late part of the 18th century, well after the Constitutional Convention. And he said that the Constitution was drafted only for a moral and religious people. You know, he said it was inadequate to a country unlike the one that he was describing. He was not saying this is only a country for evangelical Christians or this is only a country for fill in the blank. What he was saying definitively is that without matters of the spirit, without the baseline of faith, the Judaic Christian tradition, without that biblical foundation on which all of the founders understood that our country was conceived in liberty, then you would have a different country. And so it seems to me that of all of the debates that we are having in the public square, and I devote a substantial part of this in the book, that religious liberty and the rights of conscience do animate ultimately the idea of the United States of America. James Madison, I mentioned earlier, the primary architect of our Constitution. He spoke at length, he wrote at length about the centrality of the rights of conscience and religious liberty as being, you know, the absolute foundation of the way that he and we conceive the idea of this exceptional country.
Jim Daly
And what's concerning with that is it feels like, and you talk to people and there is something in the herd, we will feel it. We feel like we're teetering on a collapse of these values. And therefore what you're talking about, something different is coming and it feels not correct, not right. To some it will feel right. But the question there becomes, what can we do as Christians? Are we fighting for this world? Are we fighting for this form of government so that we can be comfortable, so that we can be cozy, so we have expression? Because the alternative is not good in that we get persecuted, which is really the tradition of the church, frankly. But what do we do if we find ourselves in the wrap up generation where the Lord is coming and things are moving quickly and evil is spreading far and wide. And he's handed us over, as Romans says, to the deprivation of, of our mind where we can't tell what a man is, what a woman is. We disregard children, we kill our babies at alarming rates because of finances or other decisions. Not to be glib with all that, but this is what's happening. Nothing new under the sun. So you look at all that and you're going, okay, Lord, what do we do?
Tim Gaglein
You know, one of the most influential essayists that I've ever been honored to read, and I'm pretty sure, Jim, that I've done my best to read everything that he wrote, which is George Orwell. Orwell, right. Not a Christian, not a conservative, but he understood the terror of what would become Soviet communism and he wrote about it with great passion. And George Orwell made this observation. He said that the first duty of an intelligent person is to restate the obvious. And I think we have a duty to go tell a new generation the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think evangelization is absolutely at the core of reintroducing to a new generation the concept of human liberty and human dignity and the idea of what constitutes actual justice. I think it begins there. In the public policy realms, the debate is the does Silicon Valley have the answers? Does Wall street have the ANSWERS? Does Washington D.C. have the answers? Does Hollywood and Broad Broadway and the entertainment elites, do they have the answers? And in my book I decidedly say no, because it's not a top down elite institution reformation that we are looking at here. It has to be bottom up. It begins in our families, it begins in our marriages, it begins in our neighborhoods and our communities. I think the church has a huge role to play here. I believe very strongly that we have a moral duty to be intelligent. The gift of reason and faith together is an absolutely great gift. And Western civilization and the American story, the Constitution, we always make a distinction between our country and our faith. Of course we do, definitively. They're not the same thing. But St. Augustine said the following. As Christians, you are citizens of two places. You are ultimately a citizen of heaven, the city of God, but this side of eternity, you're in the city of man. And we are duty bound to love and to serve our neighbors. And I believe that Jesus Christ gave us a beautiful model and paradigm that I think is timeless and I think it fits in precisely into the 21st century.
Jim Daly
Yeah, I think right here at the end, Tim, it's good to equip people. What are the resources we can obtain to get up to speed? Certainly your book is one of them. To be able to be an influence for good.
Tim Gaglein
This is precisely what I wanted to do in Toward a More Perfect Union. In the first third, I wanted to set out, where are we, you know, what are we dealing with here? The second third of the book I said, here are some real life examples. And the last third of this book is the one that is defining, definitively applicable to parents, grandparents, families, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. And here's the Go to the Civil War battlefields, take your children there, take them to the Revolutionary War battlefields, take them to the national parks, take them to the national forests, go to good museums, let them go and you know, without a 40 point social media plan, let them go up to Little Round Top at Gettysburg, let them go to Valley Forge in Pennsylvania, bring them to Washington D.C. and visit the World War II memorial at night, walk up those steps to the Lincoln Memorial, go down the incline to the Vietnam Wall and let them run their hands over those engraved names of patriots, right? Theodore Roosevelt said, you know, Roosevelt's one of my favorite Americans. He said, every American one time should stand at the south rim of the Grand Canyon and just look. Jim, I remember standing on the windiest day in October in Kansas, Kansas and just watching the way that the wind swept across the place. It was beautiful to me. I remember being in the Dakotas, you know, and just experiencing the Great Plains. You know, it is a remarkable country and it cannot be ultimately absorbed by social media, by video, etc. So I think we're honor bound to take our kids there, take our grandkids, go to the Statue of Liberty, go to Ellis island and let them just look and absorb. And my sense is that combined with all the things that we at Focus on the Family care about family, marriage, parenting, human life, religious liberty, I think that the sum total is a beautiful way to address the challenges that we face in 21st century America.
Jim Daly
That's so good. Toward a More Perfect Union the Moral and Cultural case for Teaching the Great American Story. Tim, you've done a great job representing the content. We can't cover it all. Thanks for being with us.
Tim Gaglein
I'm so grateful. And I'll close by saying, Jim, that there's a reason that Abraham Lincoln called our country the last best hope of earth. It was true then and it's true now.
Jim Daly
That's so true. Thanks for being here.
Tim Gaglein
God bless.
John Fuller
Tim Gegline has been our guest today on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. We have Tim's book in stock here. It's called Toward a More Perfect Union. It's a great resource for use with your children and to share with others. Make a gift of any amount to Focus on the Family today, either a monthly pledge or one time gift. And we'll send you that book as our way of saying thanks for being a part of the support team. And Jim, I love talking to Tim because he just oozes with optimism about the future of America.
Jim Daly
I don't know if Tim ever has a bad day, especially being in D.C. i'd have like three out of four bad days. But his optimism stems from his faith in Christ. That's where it starts. He knows the power of the gospel and that's been demonstrated, demonstrated in his interactions with others in D.C. for decades. He also goes to many, many college campuses. Secular Christian doesn't matter and expresses the views of family and focus on the family's goals. Some of the ideas we discussed today are closely related to themes that are featured in our new documentary film with the Colson Center. It's called Truth Rising. And the premier streaming event is coming on September 5th. And we realize that government is not the answer to our cultural problems. The only source. And the film will share inspiring stories of how God is using others to impact the culture and how he can use you to change the culture one person at a time, starting right where you're at. So I want to urge you to sign up now and we'll send you updates before the streaming event.
John Fuller
And you can do that through the link we've got for you in the show notes or call us to find out more. 800, the letter A and the word family. Thanks for listening today to FOCUS on THE FAMILY with Jim Daley. On behalf of Jim and the entire team, have a great Independence Day weekend and we'll see you back here on Monday as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.
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Podcast Summary: Focus on the Family with Jim Daly
Episode: A Hopeful View of America's Future
Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host: Jim Daly
Guest: Tim Gaglein, Vice President of External and Government Relations for Focus on the Family and author of Toward a More Perfect Union: The Moral and Cultural Case for Teaching the Great American Story
In this episode, Jim Daly hosts Tim Gaglein to discuss the critical state of American historical literacy among the younger generation. Tim, leveraging his extensive experience in Washington, D.C., and his new book, emphasizes the pressing need to reintroduce and reinforce the foundational aspects of American history and Judeo-Christian values in today’s education system.
Notable Quote:
“I think evangelization is absolutely at the core of reintroducing to a new generation the concept of human liberty and human dignity and the idea of what constitutes actual justice. I think it begins there.”
— Tim Gaglein [00:32]
Tim Gaglein highlights a troubling trend of "cultural amnesia" among young Americans, particularly those in elite colleges. Despite being educated, many lack a fundamental understanding of pivotal historical figures and events that shaped the nation.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
“There is something in the herd, we will feel it. We feel like we're teetering on a collapse of these values.”
— Jim Daly [11:17]
The conversation delves into the clash between two dominant worldviews: one that upholds the remarkable nature of the United States and Western civilization, and another that dismisses objective truth in favor of moral relativism and nihilism.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
“We have to be busy and intentional about teaching the great American story. Why is the Founding important? Why is the Constitution important?”
— Tim Gaglein [06:19]
Acknowledging the widespread societal shifts, Tim emphasizes that true reform must begin at the grassroots level—within families, marriages, and communities—not from top-down elite institutions.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
“I feel very strongly that the reform that we all want begins in the family. It begins in marriage. It begins in our churches, in our communities.”
— Tim Gaglein [07:59]
The episode addresses the unique struggles faced by Christian youth in maintaining their beliefs within a predominantly secular and often hostile cultural landscape.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
“For the first time in a major way, the rising generation of young Americans have to determine what their worldview is. Why is it that I believe what I believe?”
— Tim Gaglein [13:02]
Despite the numerous challenges, Tim remains optimistic about America's future. This optimism is deeply rooted in his Christian faith and belief in the transformative power of the gospel.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
“If we're going to preserve our constitutional republic, we have to be busy and intentional about teaching the great American story.”
— Tim Gaglein [06:19]
To combat cultural amnesia and foster a deep understanding of American heritage, Tim offers practical advice for families:
Notable Quote:
“Take our kids there, take our grandkids, go to the Statue of Liberty, go to Ellis Island and let them just look and absorb.”
— Tim Gaglein [22:47]
Jim Daly and Tim Gaglein conclude the episode by reiterating the importance of proactive efforts in families and communities to educate and inspire the younger generation. Tim underscores that understanding and appreciating America's foundational values is essential for sustaining the nation's future.
Notable Quote:
“Abraham Lincoln called our country the last best hope of earth. It was true then and it's true now.”
— Tim Gaglein [25:22]
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Final Thoughts: This episode serves as a compelling plea to American Christians and families to take an active role in preserving and teaching the nation's rich historical and moral heritage. By doing so, they can combat cultural amnesia and foster a generation that values liberty, dignity, and justice rooted in Judeo-Christian principles.