followHIM Podcast Summary: Doctrine & Covenants 29 Part 2 • Brother Eric Richards

Release Date: March 26, 2025
Hosts: Hank Smith & John Bytheway
Guest: Brother Eric Richards

Introduction

In this episode of the followHIM podcast, hosts Hank Smith and John Bytheway delve into Doctrine and Covenants, Section 29, accompanied by insights from their guest, Brother Eric Richards. This episode, titled "Doctrine & Covenants 29 Part 2 • Brother Eric Richards • March 31 - April 6 • Come Follow Me," explores profound doctrinal teachings, emphasizing the spiritual nature of all gospel practices, the concept of agency, the distinction between natural and fallen man, the salvation of little children, and the hopeful anticipation of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

The Spiritual Nature of All Practices (00:07 - 01:26)

The discussion begins with John Bytheway highlighting a significant shift in Section 29 where the Lord emphasizes that "all things unto me are spiritual" (§29:34). He explains that practices often perceived as temporal, such as tithing, the Word of Wisdom, and church callings, are inherently spiritual acts. This perspective fosters a deeper connection to Christ, instilling confidence that spiritual goodness emanates from these practices.

John Bytheway (Verse 34): "Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given unto you a law which was temporal. Nothing is temporal. All things are spiritual."

Brother Eric Richards concurs, reinforcing that engaging in temple service or other gospel duties, although seemingly temporal, serves a spiritual purpose.

Understanding Agency (01:26 - 02:39)

John Bytheway transitions to discussing agency, referencing verse 35, which underscores the divine gift of agency. He emphasizes that agency is a precious gift allowing individuals to make moral decisions that aid in their salvation and help others come unto Christ.

John Bytheway (Verse 35): "Gave unto him that he should be an agent unto himself."

Hank Smith adds depth by contrasting common definitions of agency as mere "freedom to choose" with a more nuanced understanding as "the power to act," aligning with Joseph Fielding McConkie’s interpretation.

Natural Man vs. Fallen Man (02:39 - 10:18)

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on distinguishing between the natural man and the fallen man. John Bytheway elucidates that while the fallen man succumbs to weaknesses and environmental factors leading to sin, the natural man is actively rebellious against God’s plan through the misuse of agency. This distinction is crucial for understanding personal struggles with sin and the path to repentance.

John Bytheway: "Natural man is an enemy to God, using their agency to rebel against Him."

Eric Richards supports this by referencing Elder Holland, who differentiates between passing moments of weakness and deliberate rebellion, encouraging listeners to persist in repentance despite recurring challenges.

The Salvation of Little Children (09:58 - 17:54)

The hosts delve into the beautiful doctrine of the salvation of little children, as outlined in verses 46 and 47. John Bytheway shares a personal story illustrating the comfort this doctrine provides, contrasting it with earlier teachings from his grandparents who questioned the fate of unbaptized children.

John Bytheway (Personal Story): "When missionaries taught my mother about the salvation of little children, she immediately recognized its truth."

The conversation underscores the unique LDS belief that little children are redeemed from the foundation of the world and cannot sin, highlighting God's mercy and the comprehensive plan of salvation.

The Second Coming and Hopeful Anticipation (18:13 - 26:08)

Brother Eric Richards introduces thoughts from C.S. Lewis and President Oaks regarding the Second Coming. He emphasizes the importance of preparing spiritually now, as the Second Coming will not be a time for making choices but rather a moment of revelation of past choices.

Eric Richards (C.S. Lewis Quote): "The Second Coming will not be the Time for choosing. It will be the time when you discover what you have chosen."

John Bytheway and Hank Smith complement this by discussing the need to focus on the positive aspects of the Second Coming—the cleansing of wickedness and the establishment of a celestial kingdom—while acknowledging the challenges that precede it.

Hank Smith: "It's not just wickedness, but the resulting sadness and suffering in the world."

The hosts collectively paint a picture of hope, emphasizing God's mercy, the invitation to come unto Christ, and the ultimate redemption awaiting believers.

The Nature of God and Joseph Smith’s Prophethood (30:15 - 36:27)

Towards the episode's conclusion, the conversation shifts to defending the prophet Joseph Smith against prevalent criticisms. John Bytheway shares his journey of studying Joseph Smith's life, reinforcing his conviction in Smith's divine calling despite human imperfections.

John Bytheway: "The more I read about him and his connection with God, the more I hear him speaking of the love that he felt from Heavenly Father."

Eric Richards echoes this sentiment, affirming his respect and love for Joseph Smith and the restored gospel, despite societal skepticism and personal challenges.

Eric Richards: "I love the prophet Joseph. I love what he has helped me learn about my Savior."

The episode concludes with an empowering message encouraging listeners to proclaim the gospel joyfully and to embrace their faith amidst external doubts and attacks.

Conclusion

This episode of followHIM offers a rich exploration of Doctrine & Covenants, Section 29, intertwining doctrinal teachings with personal anecdotes and reflections. The hosts and their guest provide listeners with a deeper understanding of spiritual practices, the pivotal role of agency, the nuanced distinctions between natural and fallen man, the assurance of little children's salvation, and the hopeful anticipation of the Second Coming. Through engaging dialogue and insightful analysis, the episode reinforces the foundational truths of the LDS faith, encouraging believers to steadfastly follow Christ and embrace the mercy and redemption He offers.

Notable Quotes:

• John Bytheway (00:07): "Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all things unto me are spiritual..."
• John Bytheway (02:39): "Natural man is an enemy to God, using their agency to rebel against Him."
• Eric Richards (10:45): "The Lord is in relentless pursuit of you."
• Eric Richards (20:23): C.S. Lewis: "Why? He wants to give us the chance of joining his side freely..."
• John Bytheway (27:05): "Let's go back to verse one. Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ..."
• Eric Richards (32:39): "I love the prophet Joseph. I love what he has helped me learn about my Savior."

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