We EXPOSED beauty guru reddit... This is crazy!

Summary

Fool Coverage Podcast: "We EXPOSED beauty guru reddit... This is crazy!"
Hosts: Manny MUA & Laura Lee
Release Date: August 29, 2025

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Overview

In this playful, candid episode, OG beauty gurus and besties Manny MUA and Laura Lee dive into the wild world of beauty guru Reddit threads—where passionate fans, critics, and lurkers spill tea, voice judgments, and spark drama about influencers. Witty banter, vulnerable moments, and signature glam energy take center stage as Manny and Laura tackle popular forum opinions, trends, industry scandals, and their own experiences with internet scrutiny. Alongside the Reddit segment, they speak on manifestation and fear, self-worth in dating, age, and being content creators in a rapidly changing beauty landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Manifestation & Managing Fears

00:51 – 09:59

• Manny introduces “serendipity” and how manifestation keeps popping up in his reading/listening.
• The importance of identifying and naming your fears and doubts before starting something new.
  • Strategy: List all your anxieties on paper, let them marinate, come back, and re-examine.
  • "Part of the battle is admitting and finding your fears and doubts." – Manny MUA (08:00)
• Rewiring negative self-talk: Catch the negative, acknowledge it's normal, and replace with a positive or at least a willingness to act despite discomfort.
  • "Don't bash yourself for negative thoughts. We're only human." – Manny MUA (05:49)
  • Laura shares how naming the fear (like fear of rejection in dating) can help her move past it.
• Human brains are wired for survival, so we tend to approach new, non-dangerous situations (like job interviews or workout classes) with outsized caution.
• Assignment for listeners: "As Britney would say, get to work, b---h." (10:01)

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2. Love, Dating, and Being Content Alone

10:11 – 22:41

• Laura opens up about a new romantic connection and the rarity of feeling a spark after a long dry spell.
  • “I have this problem where if I haven't liked someone in a long time, I think I'll never, like, again.” (11:07)
• Discussing the pain of heartbreak but finding the risk of vulnerability worth it.
  • “It's better to have loved and lost than to not loved at all. That's what I'm saying is true.” – Manny (12:02)
• Frustrations about “starting over” in dating, and the exhaustion of reliving your story on new dates.
• Negotiating long-distance logistics and Laura’s excitement about potentially flying to meet the new guy.
  • Manny encourages embracing change: “If you ever ask me, should I book the plane ticket?... Yes, go.” (14:09)
• Acknowledgement of self-sufficiency—happiness doesn’t require partnership, especially as you age.
  • “If being with you is not better than my alone time…that is just peak.” – Manny (17:20)
  • “My life is illustrious, amazing. I don't need someone there to feel happy…If you're gonna be there for me, you need to fill my cup.” – Laura (16:38)

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3. Prioritizing Peace & Energy (Growing Up and Outgrowing Drama)

18:53 – 22:20

• How friendship dynamics evolve—valuing energized, rejuvenating friendships instead of ones that drain.
  • “If I hang out with people and afterwards I feel drained...we’re probably not meant to be friends.” – Laura (19:06)
• The transition from fearing solitude when young to cherishing it as you grow older.
  • “When you’re young you’ll date for entertainment because you don’t know how to be by yourself yet.” – Manny (16:59)
  • “As you get older, you don’t forfeit peace for the sake of being around someone.” – Laura (20:40)
• “Time is so finite—you’re either going to waste it or utilize it.” – Laura (22:01)

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4. Travel Blunders, Local Culture & Hawaii Insights

22:59 – 32:07

• Manny’s “pit”: Accidentally tossing $300 worth of local, handmade Hawaiian jewelry in the trash and learning about waste, regret, and local customs.
  • “I just threw $300 away. It was very Kim K of you.” – Laura (26:49)
• Horseback riding tour fun facts about Hawaii: strict native islands, local sovereignty, and how certain trees/plants (pine trees!) were brought in by early settlers for ship repairs.
• Discussion about Hawaiian culture’s complicated balance between needing tourism and wanting to maintain local control over land and property.
  • “It’s called keep Hawaii in Hawaiians’ hands.” – Manny (28:49)
  • “There’s just too many people moving to Hawaii…it’s not tourism, it’s moving that’s the problem.” – Manny (29:05)
• Shout-out to Jason Momoa’s Hawaiian-language Apple TV show, “Chief of War,” spotlighting indigenous history and culture.

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5. Beauty Guru Reddit: Responding to Gossip, Trends & Scandal

35:26 – 63:09

a. Reddit’s Influence & “Beauty Guru Gossip” Culture

• Introduction to beauty YouTuber/Reddit intersection: “Reddit is like this forum, right?…it can be a really sick place.” – Laura (36:10)
• Both agree: “Back in the day, I never, not one time, looked at my name on Reddit.” (36:25-36:32)
• Coping with drama: Avoiding drama videos for the sake of mental health, not ego.
  • “It was me being like…I need to stay alive right now.” – Manny (37:01)

b. Critiquing Influencer Trends

• Reddit trend: Influencers holding products in their mouths.
  • Both see it as a creative, attention-grabbing tactic in short-form content ("Y’all don’t watch us put on makeup regularly anymore…now we have to have the bottle shooting out of an ear and an eyeball for people to watch." – Manny (38:08)
  • But understand why viewers might find it gimmicky or odd.

c. Topic: “Influencers Become Unrelatable”

• Referring to a Hannah Alonzo video: As influencers achieve financial success, audiences find them less relatable ("No one’s going to stay in their two bedroom apartment when they can afford a four bedroom home." – Manny (41:02))
• Both sides: It’s natural to level up in life, but relatability can suffer.
  • “I for sure think there are aspects of it being unrelatable. But who cares if it’s not relatable anymore? I just like the person.” – Laura (42:05)

d. Influencer Two-Facedness/Hypocrisy

• Quoting Angelica Nyqvist’s call out on "mean-girl" behavior, especially among small/medium creators:
  • “Don’t think we don’t see you. We do.” (45:34)
• Both agree small creators can act worse, but with less accountability due to fewer eyes.
  • “You don’t get big by acting like that. No, you really don’t.” – Manny (47:39)

e. Brand Scandals: Youthforia Closure

• Youthforia makes headlines for tone-deaf foundation shades—a pitch-black “deep” shade called out as performative and offensive.
  • Poor apology, retailer pull-outs led to brand’s demise.
  • “There’s just too many makeup brands…one mistake, one fuck up like that…we don’t really need your brand anymore.” – Manny (50:03, 50:18)
• Brands with no legacy or unique founder face less incentive to recover from major controversies.

f. Do Beauty Gurus Make Big Money?

• “Do not let them pull the Shane Dawson, be like, ‘I’m just fucking poor’…you’re not.” – Laura (51:46)
• Divide between YouTube success (which pays well via AdSense and brand deals) and TikTok (where 2 million views might earn you $100).
  • “Any YouTuber that’s big is rich.” – Manny (52:10)
  • “On TikTok, not everyone is making money. It depends if you can monetize your content and if it appeals to brands.” – Laura (52:36)

g. Brands Choosing Non-Beauty Influencer Spokespeople

• Urban Decay’s campaign featuring non-beauty model Ari Kitzia sparks debate.
• Brands want to tap new markets—not just established beauty fans—by working with diverse creators.
  • “It’s an endorsement…they want someone whose audience might buy the product, regardless of their niche.” – Laura (57:02)
  • “You can use anyone with popularity to market.” – Manny (56:52)
• Brands may get backlash or praise; success of these campaigns varies and shapes future marketing.

h. Men in Makeup and Representation

• Some Redditors claim men with large followings in beauty “don’t contribute to the space.”
• Manny pushes back: Men in makeup are a small slice, and the beauty community (and influencing in general) is fiercely woman-dominated.
  • “Influencing as a total is a woman-dominated space.” – Manny (60:41)
  • “It sounds like you’re a fucking homophobe.” – Laura (61:09)

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Notable Quotes

On Dealing with Fear:

“Part of the battle is admitting and finding your fears and doubts.”
— Manny MUA (08:00)

On Taking Risks in Love:

“It's better to have loved and lost than to not loved at all. That's what I'm saying is true.”
— Manny MUA (12:02)

On Success & Relatability:

“No one's going to stay in their two bedroom apartment when they can afford a four bedroom home.”
— Manny MUA (41:02)

On Influencer Money:

“Any YouTuber that's big is rich…Don't let them lie to you either.”
— Manny MUA (52:10)

On Industry Saturation:

“There’s too many makeup brands…one mistake, one fuck up like that…we don’t really need your brand anymore.”
— Manny MUA (50:03, 50:18)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Manifestation & Fear Handling: 01:14 – 09:59
• Laura’s Dating Adventure & Relationship Talk: 10:11 – 17:40
• Friendship Energy and Aging: 18:53 – 22:20
• Travel, Hawaii Culture, and Learning from Locals: 22:59 – 32:07
• Reddit & Beauty Guru Gossip: 35:26 – 63:09
  • Reddit Culture: 36:10 – 37:35
  • Influencer Trends: 38:06 – 39:52
  • Unrelatable Influencers: 40:04 – 44:41
  • Two-Faced Creators: 45:34 – 47:46
  • Youthforia Scandal: 47:57 – 51:10
  • Influencer Pay Transparency: 51:43 – 54:41
  • Brands & Non-Beauty Influencers: 54:45 – 58:49
  • Men in Beauty Representation: 58:50 – 63:09

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Tone & Style

Manny and Laura keep their trademark blend of honesty, humor, and real talk—bantering playfully, cursing freely, but also pausing for vulnerability and relatability. They offer both insider influencer insights and the perspective of fans-turned-industry moguls, making the episode accessible to new listeners and longtime beauty community members alike.

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In short: This episode offers a behind-the-scenes view on how beauty influencers manage fear, fame, failure, and fandom with candor and wit—unpacking both Reddit’s harshest takes and the realities of life in the digital beauty spotlight.

Transcript

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[Laura Lee]

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[Manny Mua]

It's better to have loved and lost than to not loved it all.

[Laura Lee]

Am I being crazy right now by the idea of flying to him?

[Manny Mua]

If being with you is not better than my long time and my long time is honey, precious. That is just saddest.

[Laura Lee]

It's just peak. Hey guys, welcome back to Full Coverage, your favorite podcast with your hosts, Mandy Mua and Laura Lee. Hey, we are back, back, back again, you guys, with a new episode, a juicy one. Oh my gosh. But how is your day going today so far?

[Manny Mua]

Actually, it's going so good. And not only that, do you know what's interesting? So for my peak this week, I was like, it was so interesting. I was listening to a podcast and I'm also reading a book, not at the same time, but like, you know, in the past. And the chapter I read, the last chapter I read and then the podcast I listened to this morning talked about the exact same thing. So I was like, I have to share it with them. I feel like it's.

[Laura Lee]

You have to. It's a sign, a serendipity. You have to talk about what it is.

[Manny Mua]

Interesting. Now, it was about manifestation. So if you don't believe in manifestation, you know my policy. I'm not here to convince you to, but if you want to hear more, it's all good shit. So listen up. And also, if you're hearing this and it speaks to you, it's because it was meant to. Okay? So here. Here's the tttt. So you know how when you want to start or do anything new, a new adventure, new job, new career, new school, try a new hobby, new workout, whatever it is something you haven't done before. The good old fears and doubts, they kick in, settle in, right? They settle in fears and doubts. The things that, you know, tell us in our subconscious that, like why we're nervous to do those things while we might not be good at those things, I mean, they can go depending on what you want to do for miles, right? So it's like, how do I get rid of those? How do I go into something more confidently? And both of these things were talking about that. So they were both mentioning it's really, really good to identify your fears and doubts. So that way, whenever they creep in, you're able to go, oh, shit, that's what it was. You're one of my little fuckers that show up here to convince me not to do it. And so a really good way to identify your fears and doubts is to list them out on a piece of paper. And this piece of paper is just for you. It's not for friends, it's not for you want it to be, but you literally list out your fears and doubts. So, for instance, let's say I want to take a new workout class, but I've never taken a workout class in my entire life. And I don't know how to work out, and I'm scared, but I want to get into this. So let's just say that's the case. So you may have. So you. You would say, and this can be about school, job, careers, bigger than a workout class. Okay, but just example. So you'd say, okay, what is holding me back from going to this class? Like, what are the things you need to be really honest with yourself? And what I like to do is take a step back too. Like, I'll ask myself. And like, off the cuff, I'll be like, I can only think of, like. But then I'll marinate on that question for, like 24 hours. And by the time I come back, I'm like, okay, I got 50 of them. Like, now I know. Cause you know, they come up, you're.

[Laura Lee]

Like, oh, that's like, oh, that's another one.

[Manny Mua]

Yep, that's another one.

[Laura Lee]

It's hard to just go off the.

[Manny Mua]

Cusp off the cus. So I like to give these a little bit of time. But this exercise is so good for anyone. So what you're gonna do is, if you wanna try something new, you get out a piece of paper, you're gonna list. Maybe I don't know how to work out. One, I don't think I'm gonna be able to do the class cause I'm not fit enough. Two, I'm too nervous to even do that. What if I can't even hear the.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

So you would list out every little nuance. And what you're gonna do is you're burn it. You wanna, you actually wanna remember all. Yeah. Really. But you do, you wanna remember the fears and doubts. Because whenever they start to creep in. Because the problem is our fears and doubts do not consciously normally creep in. They subconsciously creep in. Whenever our mind's wandering, they like slowly creep in. And then you pull up to the class and they go, you're not good enough.

[Laura Lee]

You're sucky.

[Manny Mua]

You're not going to be able to do this class.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

And then you accept that as an answer and you believe that's true. And that's the whole problem. But you know, okay, let's say you pull up to the class and you've studied your list and they go, you're not good enough. You go, hi. Yeah, wait a damn minute. You're. One of those fears and doubts is bullshitting me right now. And you have to replace that with a positive. And it's not even about getting on to yourself or a negative thought. I think we're human. It's gonna happen and I think it's gonna happen. But what it's all about is rewiring. That convers goes on into your head. So let's say you pull up to the workout class. You're not good enough. You go, I am good enough. And even if you don't believe that, and even if that is uncomfortable for you to say out loud, say it. Rewire. Neither of those are true. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, negative is justice.

[Laura Lee]

It's what you believe, you guys, it really is.

[Manny Mua]

It's true.

[Laura Lee]

It's what you believe is truth. What you believe is the truth for you.

[Manny Mua]

So what you want to do is catch your negative thoughts. Don't bash yourself for them. We're only human. We're gonna have em. It's our primordial brain. It's trying to keep us alive.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. Keep us safe.

[Manny Mua]

It's trying to keep us safe. It's trying to keep us alive, but replace it with a positive. The antithesis of that goes, I am gonna be just fine in this class and I'm gonna do a really good job. And I may get tired, but I can do it. And then you're gonna show up. Are you gonna show up with 100% confidence like you've done it a hundred times? No. But guess what?

[Laura Lee]

It can get there.

[Manny Mua]

It can get there. That's how you get there. And you can go into the class confidence, and going in there with a positive mindset or whatever you're doing with is going to give you more confidence.

[Laura Lee]

Also, guys, even if you go into something, be like, I'm uncomfortable, but I'm going to do it anyway. That's a whole nother way of reworking your brain. Instead of letting it take over and be like, I can't do this. We can be like, oh, well, maybe I. I feel like I can't, but I'm going to try it anyway. It's a great, great, like, just mindset to go in. Because at the end of the day, if you try something more times, the more times you try it, the more confident you become in it, you know? And I think that it's a really good sentiment with that where it's like kind of realizing it and targeting, like, what the fuck is, like, the problem here? Like, what makes me not wanna do it is because the idea of other people seeing me, is it, like, rooted in something else? Like, you know, in my mind, I always think about, like, I have a harder time being the first one to make a move on someone. I'm like, I get scared and I get nervous and I'm like, oh, my God. Well, what's.

[Manny Mua]

You're like, what's my fears and doubts?

[Laura Lee]

And that's what it is. That's rejection. So I know that that's what it is.

[Manny Mua]

That's a great one. That is such.

[Laura Lee]

I'm aware.

[Manny Mua]

It's a great one to write down again. Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

So you write down, oh, I'm scared of rejection.

[Manny Mua]

I'm very rejected. I'm scared of how that might make me feel.

[Laura Lee]

Exactly.

[Manny Mua]

You know, and then, honestly, sometimes when we journal these out on a piece of paper, you know, we also. Not only are we. We're not just writing them down to memorize them and, you know, be able to catch them. It does heal you to an extent when you actually process that this is. And acknowledge, like, okay, this is a fear of mine because of this. Like, it helps us heal.

[Laura Lee]

It helps us become Aware and be like, okay, well, and it helps you, like. And it's so funny because it will seep into your subconscious of like, okay, well that's what it is. So you almost like want to move past that. Cause you know what it is in the first place. So you're kind of gonna hopefully get to that spot where you can move past.

[Manny Mua]

Part of the battle is admitting and finding your fears and doubts. Because I, you know, I was starting cuz I'm reading a book and it has a little. I'm like, okay, here's a. Here's some things that I really want to do and I really want to accomplish. Why have I not accomplished them? I've had the resources, the time and the money to do them, but I haven't done them. So I'm like, okay, let me deep dive what are my fears and doubts and then I'll list them out. And then this did take me time because the first round I literally wrote down two and I just couldn't truly think of the other things, but I let it linger in my mind. I closed the book and I. 24 hours later, I literally had 20.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, exactly.

[Manny Mua]

Because I was like, oh my God. Yep, that's another one. Yep, that bothers me too.

[Laura Lee]

Just let it marinate, really.

[Manny Mua]

Because the more I think about the things I want to do, the fears and doubts started to creep in and I was like catching them left and right and I'm like, wow. Human potential. The biggest drawback is your fears and doubts.

[Laura Lee]

It is to human potential. It's the freaking truth.

[Manny Mua]

If you want to do something new, you want to quit your job, you want to get a divorce, you want to move away, new chapter, whatever is uncomfortable and scary to you, write down your fears and doubts about it and then heal. Remember that and catch them and change them out for positivity.

[Laura Lee]

I love that. That's a great sentiment, especially since you heard it twice.

[Manny Mua]

Crazy.

[Laura Lee]

Like that's crazy. At some point.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, crazy. I was reading a book that was the truth. Fear softers from everything it does and now. And we have like this brain that's constantly trying to keep us alive, but. But we live in a different world.

[Laura Lee]

Now and our brain still is the same old brain.

[Manny Mua]

If you go to a job interview and it's the same old brain in the new world, it's trying.

[Laura Lee]

It's trying.

[Manny Mua]

It's really trying.

[Laura Lee]

People are trying to acclimate. They obviously are, but it's tough. Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

You know, that's why it's important not.

[Laura Lee]

To bash yourself like, genetically, we're predisposed.

[Manny Mua]

We are. Like, when you go to a job interview that you're scared of, that is not life or death. A workout class that you're scared of, that is not a divorce. It is not life or death. But our brain cannot compute the difference. It can't compute the difference. And it's your job. Job to take care of that.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

So get your ass to work, man.

[Laura Lee]

Y' all have an assignment. As Brittany would say, get to work, bitch.

[Manny Mua]

You want a lot of money? You want a fast car? Get a work, bitch.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, I love it. My actual. So my peak and my pit are tied in together. So. You guys, my peak is that I started talking to someone.

[Manny Mua]

Ew.

[Laura Lee]

And it's funny because, like, to me, like, this is. It's more of a rarity.

[Manny Mua]

I'm planning the wedding.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

I'm just kidding.

[Laura Lee]

Laura's planning the wedding already.

[Manny Mua]

I try not to do this. Cause Mandy's like, this is why I can't tell you whatever. You take it too far. I'm. Don't. He knows I'm kidding.

[Laura Lee]

No, you're kidding. But it's more. It's funny because I always are the one in my mind. I take things too far so fast. So I try to be like, no, I'm fucking cool. I'm fucking mysterious and shit.

[Manny Mua]

And inside, you're like, I'm not.

[Laura Lee]

I'm literally. The thing is, I'm not the most mysterious person. I literally live my life online. But so I've been chatting with this guy for the past, like, two weeks now, and it's been going really good. Honestly, I'm very impressed that, like, there's a connection. I always. So I have this problem where if I haven't liked someone in a long time, I think I'll never, like, again. It's like, a thing in my mind where it's like, oh, I'll never feel the feeling again. So I almost, like, want to hold on to the person I like.

[Manny Mua]

Well, that was it.

[Laura Lee]

It's done. Because I haven't, like, right now. What are we in? We're in. We're about to be in September. I haven't liked anyone since maybe February, and that's, like, seven months away. So I was kind of like, oh, like, sometimes you forget the. I forget the feeling. I think that's my thing is, like, I forget what it is like to actually enjoy something because I haven't, like, been in liked in a while, and I'm in, like, right now. And so I'm Kind of like, oh, my go. I'm actually enjoying this person.

[Manny Mua]

It's such a fun feeling.

[Laura Lee]

It is. It's such a nice feeling because then I'm like, I'm excited about something that makes sense. It's an exciting, like, fun thing. The part that's my pit is that he doesn't actually live in California.

[Manny Mua]

We have a question for you. Since you date on and off, is the joy that you get out of really finding someone that you like and putting your time and energy worth the hurt that you faced when you lose or it doesn't work out, or you.

[Laura Lee]

It is. Because you almost forget the hurt feeling, too. You forget the hurt feeling.

[Manny Mua]

So it's worse. It's better to have loved and lost and lost than to not loved at all. That's what I'm saying is true.

[Laura Lee]

Because you actually do kind of forget the hurt part. So the part for me, like, for example, the last person I was, like, seeing dating, I was heartbroken over, like, I actually was so sad when it ended. I called Laura, fucking crying on the phone, literally. And she was like, what the fuck? She was like, surprised.

[Manny Mua]

Are you crying? You crying? What?

[Laura Lee]

So I was devastated, but, like, it's been, you know, so many months, and I. And you almost forget that you were devastated about that thing. So when you feel it again in the happiness, you're kind of like, oh, my God, I can totally do this. So you. I feel like I honestly just disassociate and forget the hurt feelings. See, the part that's hard is the idea of dating multiple people or trying to bounce around and date. That part, to me, sometimes feel like it's not worth it. I will say it's the kind of wasting your time aspect of dating that it doesn't feel like worth it sometimes for me. And I'll go on these hiatuses where I was like, no. I just can't even focus on it.

[Manny Mua]

I don't fall in, like, no. So you don't get the reward. What's the reward?

[Laura Lee]

I'm literally wasting my fucking time.

[Manny Mua]

Wasting your nights, your time.

[Laura Lee]

That's my problem.

[Manny Mua]

God, that's so bad.

[Laura Lee]

That's my problem. So that. That is really, really hard. The aspect of, like, not feeling the spark. I feel the spark with him, so I feel like that's why I'm excited about it. But when you're constantly almost like, reliving or retelling your story multiple times throughout these months, it makes you want to freaking die. Like, I'm gonna be real. I don't Want to reset constantly. That's the part that's hard about even, like, stopping to, like, when you're no longer dating someone, like, where it's like, oh, my God, I have to start over. The starting over part is the same. Worst.

[Manny Mua]

Worst.

[Laura Lee]

Because I'm like, dude, I don't know if, like, well, what. What if this next person doesn't understand me the way this person did? Or, like, they think that this thing that. That is quirky about me is, like, not a good thing. Or, like, you know, there's all these aspects of it, and it's like, it sucks because you open up and then they. You can just be completely shattered. But that's kind of what it is. Like, that's just life. So I've been chatting for a little bit, and it's been really fun. I've been really, really enjoying it. I think he's absolutely gorge. Like, just my type to a T. And the problem is that he doesn't live in California. So I've been actually, like, planning potentially on going and visiting him.

[Manny Mua]

I like flying there. Don't ever ask me. Cause what am I telling you to do?

[Laura Lee]

Go.

[Manny Mua]

Every single time. If you ever ask me, should I book the plane ticket?

[Laura Lee]

You're like, why is it already booked?

[Manny Mua]

Do you know? Like, as a human, you crave change, and we crave it twice. Do you know your second day on vacation will be your peak happiness? Because already, by day three, this is a neurological scientist. By day three, your mind is already too repetitive. It's already getting used to it, and it's already too repetitive. And it's not that you're not happy on day three. Of course you're having the best time, but the ticker is going down.

[Laura Lee]

It's the serotonin attitude.

[Manny Mua]

Yes, exactly. Day 2 of 48 hours into vacation is your happiest time. So that's why I always tell people, book the. Yes, go.

[Laura Lee]

Go do the fucking thing.

[Manny Mua]

And when your mind has that idea that, like, should I see him? Is this crazy? Like, should I see him? It is your body mind.

[Laura Lee]

Well. Cause I thought I'm like, am I being crazy right now by the idea of flying today?

[Manny Mua]

It is your body and mind asking you for change. It is your body and mind asking you. And it's like, are you gonna answer that call? That's why I'm always like, yes, do it. Yes, yes, yes.

[Laura Lee]

So I'm literally, like, potentially gonna, like, see him in maybe, like, two weeks. So if also, if it keeps going good, like, if it's gone Good for like, let's say like a month. Then I would fly out to see someone. Or like, I would fly them to me. Yeah, I would fly them to me. I don't give a fuck.

[Manny Mua]

We know you would, honey. He got them air miles.

[Laura Lee]

I got miles, bitch. The fuck you mean? That's a fucking free flight. So I think it's like the thing is, like, because to me, like, I do feel like the feeling and having a real connection is worth it. You know what I mean? I was like, it's worth even the idea of like. I don't like the idea of being like a sugar daddy to anyone. I'm never gonna be someone's sugar daddy. That's just not what it's ever gonna be. But I do feel like if I can provide something, I will try my best to do. So if they provide also in other ways, I'm never gonna be like, you know, oh, well, you can't pay for this, so I won't date. You're not that person.

[Manny Mua]

What do they call it?

[Laura Lee]

I'm not looking for sugar dad either.

[Manny Mua]

Sugar baby. You're not looking for sugar baby.

[Laura Lee]

I'm looking for someone that can take care of all shit.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, yeah. An equal.

[Laura Lee]

An equal partner. You're looking for a partner? Shit, yeah. But that doesn't mean I won't like, splurge on something or try to help them out in some way if I can. You know what I mean? So I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm talking to him. I feel like it's been a while since I've like, liked someone. And I'm always like doing like really fun and flirty things, like all the time. But I'm never like, really liking someone's.

[Manny Mua]

Never gonna like someone again. Pamela Anderson's been married like four times.

[Laura Lee]

I know.

[Manny Mua]

And look, she.

[Laura Lee]

It's like what you were saying earlier. It's like that fear thing.

[Manny Mua]

It is seeing that.

[Laura Lee]

I know I bought his lying to me. I know I will like someone again. It' hard after you like someone when you don't feel that feeling for months though I will say you start to. It starts to creep in.

[Manny Mua]

You can't let that shit.

[Laura Lee]

I'm also like picky. I'm also not the type that's going to date for the idea just to date. Like, I don't really. My life is illustrate. I have an illustrious, amazing life. I don't need someone there to feel happy. So if you're gonna be there for me, I actually need you to actually fill my cup.

[Manny Mua]

Tell that to Aaron girl.

[Laura Lee]

I'll tell her right now.

[Manny Mua]

She's so young. You know what I mean?

[Laura Lee]

That's how it is though, babe.

[Manny Mua]

When you're young you'll date for entertainment because you don't know how to be by yourself yet.

[Laura Lee]

That's a big thing actually not having that like when you're young it's so much harder to have that like self soothing nature or to be like happy alone.

[Manny Mua]

You get that age. I didn't have that. I had to be with friends 24 7. Absolutely. We're out 24 7.

[Laura Lee]

You don't appreciate your piece as much.

[Manny Mua]

But whenever you get older you're like if you're not adding to the this great like amazing life that I have buil alone time. If you're. If being with you is not better than my long time and my alone time is honey precious. That is just. That is it's peak.

[Laura Lee]

It's.

[Manny Mua]

That is a peak level what I've.

[Laura Lee]

Come to rel to as as now that I'm in my 30s.

[Manny Mua]

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[Manny Mua]

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[Laura Lee]

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[Manny Mua]

You'Re not spending that alone time if you're not used to being alone and cherishing those moments to yourself and really absorbing that peace, that doesn't matter to you.

[Laura Lee]

You don't care, you don't want that.

[Manny Mua]

So you're like, I mean even you'll.

[Laura Lee]

Deal with shitty friends.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, you'll deal with shitty friends because it's better than being alone and being bored. But then whenever you get older, you go, wait a damn, wait a darn, this is nice.

[Laura Lee]

It's peaceful. Because the thing is like you don't, as you get older, you don't forfeit peace. Peace for the sake of being around someone. Like you actually don't do that anymore.

[Manny Mua]

I feel like unless you need to work that out, unless you need to work that shit.

[Laura Lee]

Everyone's different but no, but that's just what I've learned as I've gone over should.

[Manny Mua]

It is so important to be at peace with being by yourself. And I. Whenever we're talking to really young people, because I was in my early 20s once, I don't expect them to understand that or like, you should deal with the talks because it teaches you.

[Laura Lee]

You almost, like, actually, you almost want them to do that, actually.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah, exactly.

[Laura Lee]

Because it teaches you a lot of things about and what you want to.

[Manny Mua]

Handle and what you'll put up with and what's worth putting that. And so it's so important to go through all your stages of life. But we're at the stage now where we're learning about that.

[Laura Lee]

Like, we're just kind of like, oh, this is lovely. I don't want to be your own friends that feel. I feel drained after when they leave.

[Manny Mua]

Most things aren't worth it 100%.

[Laura Lee]

And the thing is also, like, because also, as you get older, you know, when the grays start to settle in, you're like, oh, time is so finite. It's not an infinite thing. When you're little and you're young, you're like, oh, my God, 30 is so fucking old.

[Manny Mua]

Life lasts forever. You think, 30 is. Is so far away.

[Laura Lee]

You think, 30, so old you'll never hit it.

[Manny Mua]

You think you know everything. You think, this is like, I'm so early on, like, you know, 40s, my God, that's 100 years old. I'll never get there. And you're wrong about all of that.

[Laura Lee]

And you're like. And you're 34. Like me, you're blinking. You're 34. And so I'm like, you know, I think that when that is so, like, either you're going to waste your time or you're going to utilize your time. That's the difference as you get older. And it's like, I don't want to feel like I'm wasting my time. I don't want to have. I don't wanna be drained during my time, my free time. I wanna be fucking my cup full. I don't want it to be empty.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

So I don't know how we got on that tangent, but I feel like I'm excited to further this, like, potential connection and this adventure. Cause it's like, for me, I always love a fun little adventure. You know, I can get very.

[Manny Mua]

He's not coupled up. He is coupled up, but they're not closed off.

[Laura Lee]

No. Oh, I'm closed up, but not closed up thousand percent. Oh, my God. Can't wait for the reunion, by the way. It's coming.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Laura Lee]

It's like we're in August, reunion is coming. But we'll see. I'll let you guys know when I, you know, if I. If I go out there and I visit him and I come back and I'll fill you guys in on. On what happens. But I'm very, very intrigued.

[Manny Mua]

Well, my pit is that when we're in Hawaii, I love to support the locals. And we stopped by a farmer's market and these two gorgeous, sweet ladies were selling handmade beaded jewelry. They were real beads and real wood and all the things. And some had fish bone. And it was really cool. It was really cool. Shit.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

And so we bought 300 worth of souvenirs jewelry.

[Laura Lee]

Like we like cutesy.

[Manny Mua]

We went crazy. Exactly. And. And as soon as we got to the hotel, we also stopped off the side of the road and got some poke bowls. And they put the poke bowls in a brown paper bag and they put the jewelry.

[Laura Lee]

Do you like pokey?

[Manny Mua]

No, but they have chicken poke.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, nice, nice, nice.

[Manny Mua]

Okay. Yeah, they had like different. They had a bunch of different mixers of poke bowls.

[Laura Lee]

What are you doing to you? I like sushi, so I'll have like. So sometimes if it's. If it's. Depending on what is inside of it, I can actually have one.

[Manny Mua]

What type of fish?

[Laura Lee]

Depending on the type of fish. But I'm not usually of the type that will order Pokemon.

[Manny Mua]

Do you know that in Hawaii they explained to me that their fish is not very fishy tasting because it is warm water water fish, and warm water fish do not have a lot of fat on them, therefore it's less flavorful. So therefore you're going to get less of a fishy taste. And they said any type of cold water fish is fatty or something because.

[Laura Lee]

It says to stay warm.

[Manny Mua]

They know everything. That's so interesting. I'll have no fish.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. Actually, so zero for me. You go anyway, I don't give a chicken.

[Manny Mua]

It is. Yeah, so I'll have the chicken. But thank you for sharing that information.

[Laura Lee]

Thank you so much. I love knowing that.

[Manny Mua]

But anyways, okay. So they put them in this exact same brown paper bag and then they were in the front seat of the car. We had been riding around for hours. We finally got to the hotel and you know when you first pull up from the airport to the hotel and all your. They're getting all your bags out, you're trying to get your purse, and the valet's trying to take the keys and they're trying to drive. You're like, yes. Just trying to get everything and make sure. I threw away all the jewelry. I thought I was throwing away pokey, which I was, but the bags were like, fused together. I threw them both away. But I didn't realize. Realize I did it when I did it, obviously. Like, I didn't realize. So I go to a hotel room, we do all of our activities. We come back to the hotel room that night, and I go, where is that jewelry? I'm like, where is the jewelry? And then we did.

[Laura Lee]

It just hit you that you're like, oh, my God.

[Manny Mua]

It hit me like a brick. Because we didn't throw away anything. Or there was no possibility because we didn't really stop anywhere after we got the jewelry. So the jewelry would have had to been in the car or the hotel point blank. But I threw away the brown paper bags that were in the front. Front seat. So then me and Ty, like, I definitely threw it away. So I was like, it's cool. It was by the valet trash. And I was like, the trash had nothing in it. It was a small ass trash can and it did not have, like, anything in it. And I remember that. And we go back down there. We're like looking in the trash and the trash is empty. And we're like, ah. We're like, hey. She was like, yeah, they just picked it up. But he was like, I can still see if he has it in his golf cart. Like, still has the bag. And I was like, great. And she's like, no, we took it to the dump. I was like, I'll never find it again. Can I dig through the dump? And she was like, you can't. We can't let you do that. And I was like, okay, cool. She was like, what's in there? I was like, it's okay. It's like souvenir jewel. You know, it's just like $300. I was like, it's okay. So no one gets souvenirs. No one. Also, they closed that farmer's market. She told us, though. She said, we're about to close till, like, Friday night, Friday evening. So she told us.

[Laura Lee]

She was like, you're like, you're not gonna get shit. Like, you're not gonna be able to go back and get it and reactivate.

[Manny Mua]

Exactly.

[Laura Lee]

I would be so annoyed with myself.

[Manny Mua]

I was so annoyed.

[Laura Lee]

Cause it's like, damn. Really?

[Manny Mua]

I say it tossed it in the trash. I just threw $300 away.

[Laura Lee]

You did?

[Manny Mua]

I really did.

[Laura Lee]

It was a great title.

[Manny Mua]

Thank you.

[Laura Lee]

It was very Kim k of you.

[Manny Mua]

Thank you very much.

[Laura Lee]

Very. Like my diamond earring in the ocean.

[Manny Mua]

I threw them in the trash. I'm like, oh, thank you for all the beautiful handmade jewelry. I'm gonna go throw it straight in the. They. No wonder they don't, like, people come to their island.

[Laura Lee]

Damn. Damn.

[Manny Mua]

They are horseback riding lady. She said that there is an island in Hawaii, one of the islands where you have to be born there to go there. And if you leave, you can't come back. Yes. And they, like, live off the island.

[Laura Lee]

No.

[Manny Mua]

And now we were like, right now?

[Laura Lee]

Wait, so then is it like, almost. Whoa.

[Manny Mua]

We were literally, like, right now. She was like, yeah. We were like, so there's people.

[Laura Lee]

Are they, like, indigenous Hawaiians?

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. That's exactly what they are. Yes. And it's a very small island, and they live off the land completely. And she was telling us this information, and we were like, is this like olden times? She was like, no, like, right now. And you can't go there. And if you are born there, you can stay there for life, but if you leave, you cannot come back.

[Laura Lee]

So why. I wonder why you can't. So the idea of going there, like, how, like, if someone just pulled up a boat there, they're just like, you can't.

[Manny Mua]

Come on.

[Laura Lee]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Manny Mua]

She said they had many islands actually, that they don't have the rules where, like, you can't come back and all that kind of stuff. But she said there are many Hawaiian islands with natives that do not allow any tourists on their island. But there's not, like, strict rules. She said there's one island out there that's like, that.

[Laura Lee]

That's very, like, strict.

[Manny Mua]

I didn't know that was a thing.

[Laura Lee]

I know every time I've gone to Hawaii, a lot of the people that, like, let's say I've bought got things from or, like, the local places they've been. And, like, we're so happy you're here to, like, pay, like, for the local money that we get, like, the tourism. For the tourism money. And I was always like, oh. I always thought there was an impression of, like, people.

[Manny Mua]

They do want tourism. They don't need people from the mainland here moving there if they're not a native Hawaiian. It's called keep Hawaii in Hawaiians hands.

[Laura Lee]

Okay. Okay.

[Manny Mua]

So, like, let the neighbors own their land and own the homes and the property and stop having People come over.

[Laura Lee]

And take over, but they still want the tourism as well for like the.

[Manny Mua]

Money to make sure the island goes around is the people moving to Hawaii is the problem. That's the big problem there.

[Laura Lee]

Got it. Okay. So that's like really what, like the big, like the issue has been.

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Laura Lee]

As people trying to take over properties and stuff?

[Manny Mua]

Yes.

[Laura Lee]

Okay. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

[Manny Mua]

It does make a lot of sense. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

[Laura Lee]

I totally get it because I was always like, oh, well, they don't want. I was like, I thought tourism was good for the island.

[Manny Mua]

California brought Hawaii its first longhorn bull and its first horse ever.

[Laura Lee]

Really?

[Manny Mua]

And the reason Hawaii has pine trees is because back in the days of settlers, Hawaii was the only islands between the two mainlands. So ships would pull up to Hawaii to get boat repairs because it was the only stop on your big voyage in the middle of the ocean. So you'd come and do ship repairs. But Hawaii's native trees did not have the right type of wood to repair ships. So the settlers brought pine trees and all, you know, a couple different types of trees to repair their ships to grow on Hawaii and that's why they have those trees there now.

[Laura Lee]

I did not know that. Did you find all this like when you were there recently?

[Manny Mua]

Yes. She told us our horseback. That was the most interesting part of horseback riding.

[Laura Lee]

She like, she was giving you the tea actually.

[Manny Mua]

Girls, crazy tea. We were just like gobsmacked. We were like, wow, this is so.

[Laura Lee]

That's really cool. I feel like, because I obviously, like, I don't feel like we learn a ton about like Hawaiian culture here in the, on the, you know, the mainland. We don't, we don't hear really anything actually.

[Manny Mua]

We don't.

[Laura Lee]

We just know that Hawaii is part of the United States. So we don't. Like, you're not ever. You're not, you're not informed, like, you're just definitely not informed here about.

[Manny Mua]

Oh my God. Jason Momoa has a TV show. He's Hawaiian.

[Laura Lee]

Uh huh.

[Manny Mua]

Didn't know that, by the way. I just didn't know what his ethnicity was.

[Laura Lee]

I thought he was just like, yeah, Pacific Islander.

[Manny Mua]

I didn't know so Pacific Islander. But I think he may be a native to Hawaii, but he has a TV show out now on Apple tv and it is so good. I don't know if you'll like it though. The whole entire thing's in Hawaiian.

[Laura Lee]

Oh yeah.

[Manny Mua]

Yes. So you have to, he speaks it. You have to stare at the screen the entire.

[Laura Lee]

I don't mind though, because I watch Anime Girl, so I actually do, like, so good.

[Manny Mua]

His show.

[Laura Lee]

Do you know why I like shows? Okay. Do you know why I like shows like that?

[Manny Mua]

Why?

[Laura Lee]

Because that's sapphire.

[Manny Mua]

Oh, me too.

[Laura Lee]

That's why I love watching anime.

[Manny Mua]

The freaking drama is at every three seconds.

[Laura Lee]

Really?

[Manny Mua]

You cannot take your ISO.

[Laura Lee]

So it's like tea, tea, tea.

[Manny Mua]

Yes. Like, you're not gonna be bored at all. Watching is so good, you guys.

[Laura Lee]

I love shows like that. I'm just like.

[Manny Mua]

And apparently he used a lot of the native Hawaiians. And even one of the main cast members was just a guy he saw walking in the street in Hawaii and saw him. And I was like, you are perfect for the role.

[Laura Lee]

That is so fucking cool.

[Manny Mua]

Isn't that so cool?

[Laura Lee]

That's what it was.

[Manny Mua]

Freaking cool. But the show is really, really good. It's a bell.

[Laura Lee]

And now take place in Hawaii.

[Manny Mua]

Yes. And it's all about, like, the early stages of Hawaii and the Pacific ally. Settlers. Yes. And the settlers who came.

[Laura Lee]

I love that because it's like, oh, my God. Like, I don't feel like again, like, you we're lot of history or even, like, information about that. So it's. That's cool to actually, like, have a show that's like, you know, gives a little bit more backstory.

[Manny Mua]

So cool.

[Laura Lee]

Because they don't hear anything.

[Manny Mua]

So freaking cool. So Chief of War, if you guys want to check that out, that's a good show on Apple. There's only five episodes out and I've watched. We watched all of them in two nights.

[Laura Lee]

No, you binged it.

[Manny Mua]

It's crazy. The drama and it hangers and you just gotta keep watching.

[Laura Lee]

I'm fully caught up with Summer. I turn pretty, by the way.

[Manny Mua]

Me too. You think they're gonna drag this shit out for like, four more seasons?

[Laura Lee]

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[Laura Lee]

I, I, I would think that if there's only three books, I think it is, I would think there'd be three seasons, but I don't know.

[Manny Mua]

I would hate for them to drag this out and ruin this show because I'm not gonna ride this coat till you like too much longer. I'm gonna need belly to pick and brawl.

[Laura Lee]

We need to know what's happening and.

[Manny Mua]

We need to move on. Steven and the bestie. That too.

[Laura Lee]

I need that to happen.

[Manny Mua]

They either are gonna date or not.

[Laura Lee]

Let's go. So I'm curious, I'm really curious to be like, okay, do you think that will end at season three? I actually don't know. Cause I just started watching it, I just started binging it really. So I'm really curious to see. But also how long can you have the teeter totter go for?

[Manny Mua]

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna get bored with this. Really?

[Laura Lee]

Like, what if in five years they're married and have kids and it's like.

[Manny Mua]

But Jeremiah, she cheats with Jeremiah. Hell no.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, I don't, I'm done. I don't know.

[Manny Mua]

I'm clocking out.

[Laura Lee]

Uh huh. I agree. But I still, I still really like it.

[Manny Mua]

Okay. Manny came out with a really good episode idea.

[Laura Lee]

Oh yeah. Okay. So our episode today, I just thought it'd be kind of interesting because I was scrolling and I saw this like thing about like Reddit and I was literally like, oh my God, there was like a beauty guru like Reddit back in the day. Just from what I remember our days, like when we were like YouTube heavy, like there was always like this beauty guru shit on Reddit. I'm like, what if we went down like a little bit of a Reddit thread of like beauty gurus and just like talk about little situations that people are bringing up on their there and just give our like 2 cents our thoughts on like let's say a topic that's being said and then we just talk about it. I just thought it'd be kind of fun and interesting. So we went on Reddit and we just screenshot a bunch of random like little things that, that'd be kind of like fun to just talk with you guys about. And you know Reddit is like this forum, right? It's like a blog and people can just say whatever the they want. It's like a really, it can be really sick place.

[Manny Mua]

There's no serious sources either.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, there's not like serious. There's not.

[Manny Mua]

It's just opinions with a grain of salt.

[Laura Lee]

So it's like they're just opinions on what people think about things. But back in the day, remember I remember thinking like beer, Reddit was like the worst thing in the world.

[Manny Mua]

It was the worst that like back in the day, I never, not one time looked at my name on Reddit.

[Laura Lee]

I didn't either.

[Manny Mua]

Why would you do that? Right?

[Laura Lee]

I was like, I would not want to invite.

[Manny Mua]

Like, they want to know every little opinion on them. I'm like, I would like to know all those drama videos. These.

[Laura Lee]

I bet we have. I bet we have subreddits. Like, our names have subreddits for them.

[Manny Mua]

Of course.

[Laura Lee]

For sure.

[Manny Mua]

I never watched any drama videos on me. I know those trauma channels. Really thought I was on the edge of my seat with popcorn way. Never even clicked one. Never even clicked on.

[Laura Lee]

Especially during the, like, the height of that bitch. You want me to freaking commit?

[Manny Mua]

That. That was the problem. It wasn't even me being like, I don't care. It was me being like, I need to stay alive right now, so. And I have to still film content so I cannot watch these videos.

[Laura Lee]

And I have to just feel worse about myself.

[Manny Mua]

It wasn't me being a big, bad badass. Like, I'm not watching these videos. Cause I don't give a fuck. No. It was more like, one of you are gonna do the wrong thing.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Manny Mua]

And caused me to end it all. And then we're both gonna have room. Well, they probably wouldn't, but I would, you know?

[Laura Lee]

Exactly.

[Manny Mua]

So I was like, I'm gonna stay as far away as I can from these things.

[Laura Lee]

So we screenshotted some of these that are like, you know, I feel like some of them are lighter. Some of them are a little bit, like, ooh, spicy. But we're not gonna go crazy on anything. Like, at the end of the day, we're fucking keeping it cute and keeping it moving. But this was, like, a funny, little silly event that I thought was cute. I'll just bring up the first. First one. And it was like, I hate this trend of influencers holding products in their mouths as they apply them, and they give a little screenshot of, like, someone just doing this. And I just thought it was so funny because I actually have recently seen it where people are, like, holding to the mouth because they're doing something while applying. I thought it was cute.

[Manny Mua]

It's a trick.

[Laura Lee]

I think it's cute.

[Manny Mua]

Let me tell you what the thing is. Y' all don't watch us put on makeup regularly anymore. So now we have to have the bottle shooting out of an ear and an eyeball for people to watch. You got to be in the middle of the ocean putting on makeup. Someone to watch.

[Laura Lee]

I loved your mermaid video.

[Manny Mua]

Thank you.

[Laura Lee]

I thought it was so cute. And I think I also just find it fun because I'm like, to me.

[Manny Mua]

When someone comes up with a creative way that's why? Yes, it's because no one want. Because we've seen sitting at the beauty room desk for so many years to now. We have to do something quirky for you to watch the video because your attention span has been.

[Laura Lee]

Because of TikTok. I mean, let's be so real. The short form content has really fucked people's attention spans. This is why a lot of people don't even go to the movies anymore, because they can't even sit through a movie nowadays. So it's literally like it's just what it is what it is. But I think it's what's really fun and cool about it. Not necessarily. Maybe like the mouth thing, but what I love about it is that it's like a creative way to play with makeup. I just think that's fun. And I love seeing a creator do something and it becomes a trend and people like to follow it and it's just like, wow, you came up with like a really fun and cute original idea and that's like, really inspiring.

[Manny Mua]

See, though, if you're on the other side of that and you don't create any content, you're not a content creator. You're just an absorber and a viewer. You're like, why the hell.

[Laura Lee]

What the are they doing?

[Manny Mua]

Are you putting all the products in your mouth? Like, be so for real. Like, I can see that perspective from a person who doesn't create content. And then the creators go and please watch my fucking video. I'll shut the sticks in my mouth if I have to. Please. I need the views. You know what I mean?

[Laura Lee]

100%.

[Manny Mua]

So it just depends on. But I get it. I get it on both sides.

[Laura Lee]

I do too.

[Manny Mua]

It's weird. It's.

[Laura Lee]

To me, I think it's fascinating to see someone come up with something creative and something fun to do something a little bit different. But then I also like the regular stuff too.

[Manny Mua]

Duh. Next one. Hannah Alonzo. Do you know who that is? Me either. Shout out to Hannah. She talks about how influencers are no longer inflatable. And Jaclyn Hill's in her thumbnail.

[Laura Lee]

I'm cracking, Hill. I'm dead. Shout out to Hannah.

[Manny Mua]

So there's a little Reddit post on her video. I didn't video, but there's like a screenshot of her video of her thumbnail. And it's like, hannah, I love personalities aperture, but this might not be for everyone. She spends a lot of time, oh, they're talking poorly. Sorry, Hannah. The point is, I thought it was an interesting video. Because it is interesting. You know, it's like people fall in love with influencers, beauty gurus, whoever it is out there, an influencer, because of the relatability. Most the time I feel like there's a connection.

[Laura Lee]

There's a connection.

[Manny Mua]

Definitely this person has similar interests. But then what happens is. And it kind of happens almost every single time. Obviously that influencer's goal is to do good and big things with their career. But with that wants to do money. Yeah, it comes money. So they're not going to be relatable and no one would. No one's going to stay in their two bedroom apartment when they can afford a four bedroom home. No one's going to do that.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

No one's going to keep driving their car. That's falling apart when they can afford a brand new car. Car. And so it's weird because I understand where the viewer is coming from.

[Laura Lee]

I understand both. But we get both because we literally been both. That's the difference, 100%.

[Manny Mua]

But it is interesting though because it's like you love someone so much until they get lifted to a certain point and then.

[Laura Lee]

Then it's like ill. Yeah. It becomes not really anymore because it's.

[Manny Mua]

Not relatable anymore to you. You're like, oh my God. Okay. You're the 12th millionth influencer that drives a Range Rover and has a nice house. I'm talking about myself too. Listen here. I'm not like being like me Manny. No, I have my epitome of these conversations. Okay. Like totally.

[Laura Lee]

I didn't have things and then I got money and then I got things.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

That's just like the real.

[Manny Mua]

And it becomes unrelatable. So it's just like a very. I think it is actually a very interesting conversation.

[Laura Lee]

I do too. And I think that there is obviously I for sure think that there is aspects of it being unrelatable. The part that to me that I've just a different caveat is that like, well, who cares if it's not relatable anymore? Like I think to me I'm like if I'm interested in that person.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

I just don't care if they're not that relatable to me.

[Manny Mua]

I think some people watch for relatability.

[Laura Lee]

Totally. And I think that's a whole different like side a. So a different side thing. For example, if I'm watching someone, I'll watch a girl do a try on haul of her like cute clothes. I cannot really in any shape or form, but I liked her personality so I didn't give a fuck. So it's just like things like that. So it depends, like if you are watching for someone for relatability. Absolutely, I get it. And if you're watching people just enjoy for the entertainment aspect of it, then I'm kind of like, oh, that's this whole day.

[Manny Mua]

Go with them on the journey.

[Laura Lee]

Go with them on the journey for it. You know, for. To me, that's why I'm like, oh, well, I can't really. I'm not going to be to trying on bras and swimwear. But I enjoyed watching it.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

And I appreciated it for what it was. So I think it just depends on what kind of person you are consuming. Like whether you're like, oh, am I reading watching them to be relatable or am I watching them because I just like them?

[Manny Mua]

So interesting though, because it just seems like that chain of events happens almost every single.

[Laura Lee]

I think what they're saying is true.

[Manny Mua]

You know what I mean? It's just interesting because you're like, huh? When doesn't that happen? You know, unless the influencer doesn't make it really big or doesn't get millions and millions of dollars, okay, maybe it doesn't happen then, but for the most part it does. So, like, I think a lot of people watch for relatability.

[Laura Lee]

I also think what's important to.

[Manny Mua]

To the influencer.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, but see here, this is, this is the part that I feel like different about is that I think that you can be an influencer with a lot of things and still be relatable in a way where I can, I can still connect with your personality. Because I just fucking fuck with you and I vibe with you. If you are, if you become a creator that doesn't feel relatable and you're kind of coming across boss A or just kind of like above out, I'm not gonna feel like to me it's gonna be, not only are you not relatable, you're kind of like giving off weird vibes. So I think there's like a difference for it. So if, like, if you can have nice things but be chill as I'm gonna be like, period.

[Manny Mua]

You know, I have nice things and I will still do a dollar tree haul, a target haul, we'll go to TJ Maxx, we'll shop the clearance section all day because that's what I genuinely feel like doing and that's fun for me. So I think there's a great amount of dip. But the antithesis that I don't think there's a problem with influencers who don't want to do that anymore.

[Laura Lee]

Girl, live your fucking life.

[Manny Mua]

But it's like, if that's not your person anymore. I get it. I get it.

[Laura Lee]

That's why I see both completely.

[Manny Mua]

I do too. I see both sides completely. Like, okay, well, this bitch only carries Birkin bags, so. And we used to go to Walmart together, so now I'm not interested. Like, I get that too, but it was just like up on Reddit. Apparently this girl did a full video on it. Didn't watch the video, don't know what it's about. Just saw the Reddit post.

[Laura Lee]

I think it's fascinating because I think that it's. There's a lot fascinating.

[Manny Mua]

There is. And when you think about it is a fascinating conversation.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. I'm kind of like, yeah, that's what.

[Manny Mua]

We'Re here to do. We're here to create conversation.

[Laura Lee]

Talk. Do you feel like that is the case? Let us know. Damn.

[Manny Mua]

We're here to create conversation.

[Laura Lee]

Let me see. Let me find one. I thought this was a really interesting one because I actually follow her and I live. So this is about. This is like a random thing where it was literally like, I love Angelica Nikovist, who's and Jessica online. I just love her content. And she posted like some stories, right? And the story goes, one day when I quit YouTube, I'll post a tell all about all the small and medium creators that are kind to your face but are mean girls behind the scenes, spreading lies, starting gossip threads. Harding comments, hating on other creators. Don't you think we don't see you? Don't think we don't see you. We do. We want to be part of this. You want to be part of this community? Maybe start by not trying to tear it down behind the scenes and then suck up to creators and brands when they can see you. At least don't be fake about it.

[Manny Mua]

Some small creators have pissed her off.

[Laura Lee]

Absolutely. Yeah. Small and medium size.

[Manny Mua]

And I think that, by the way. No, you go ahead.

[Laura Lee]

No, no, I think there's a lot of truth to that. It's not even like just outside. I think that actually applies for all size creators. I actually think that this is a really big thing and I think that it's. Oh my God, it's so funny. This, like, will bring me down my own personal rabbit hole is like, I'll see creators that I literally feel like are actual bitches behind the scenes. Like just like absolute. Just like a mess, a menace. Commenting sweet things on people. They're talking shit about posts and I'm literally like.

[Manny Mua]

Oh. What I was gonna say about small creators is interesting. Small creators can be way worse than big creators. It's just big creators get held more accountable for it because there's more eyes on the big creators. But I've seen many of small behaviors misbehave, girl, and act a fool. It's just like they don't have a lot of eyes on them so they don't get called out for it or it doesn't affect them as much. They get called out, they're crazy and they get away.

[Laura Lee]

A lot of them are crazy.

[Manny Mua]

Actually smaller creators begin away with it because no one's holding them accountable. So they can do and say and act up at events and you know, shit on people. But they kind of don't get held accountable cause it's just like don't care as much.

[Laura Lee]

Cause the thing is at the end of the day the bigger creators have a lot more, let's say like relevance and people are talking about them in some capacity, in some way and if.

[Manny Mua]

They sneeze wrong, it's gonna be brought up because of the relevance. Whereas smaller creators can get away with so much more. So I feel like.

[Laura Lee]

And they can be a lot more rotten.

[Manny Mua]

That's why I feel like this creator and this person is like, she's like.

[Laura Lee]

Damn, I've seen some shit.

[Manny Mua]

She's like these small creators out here are acting like fucking some shit up.

[Laura Lee]

I could not agree more. And it is tr. And a lot of smart creators can, you know, be it slips under the.

[Manny Mua]

Rug, it slips under the cracks. You don't, you know, have you, have.

[Laura Lee]

You met or like seen creators that are, you know, small or medium sized that really just like act like their don't stink? Yes, I've seen a lot of that too. And yes, it's kind of like dang like this, like what is going on? Like there's like the aspect of being humble, like people acting like really above thou and crazy. I'm like girl, you haven't even made it and you're acting, acting like a fool out here. A fool. Like it's actually like I see that and I see that and it's something I'm like aware of and I'm like wow, like acting like a complete.

[Manny Mua]

But I'm going to tell you something, you don't get big by acting like that. No, you really don't.

[Laura Lee]

At the end of the day that shit spreads.

[Manny Mua]

It does, it does, it does like.

[Laura Lee]

Wildfire, the your reputation. It Does. Yes. Entitlement and your reputation does matter and people do care about those things, you know. Okay, another one that I was kind of like, oh, bitch. Yes.

[Manny Mua]

Youth Foria closing Euthoria shot themselves in the.

[Laura Lee]

In the foot. No, the thing is, what was crazy. So not only that, so the euphoria situation, when they had came out with foundations, they came out with a actual pitch black, like actual black tar color that was like, okay, that's our deepest shade. And just kind of. It was really kind of a throwaway. It really felt like that even from their range. And they got fucking wrecked. Wrecked, wrecked, wrecked. For coming out with that, you know, rightfully so. Honestly, it was disgusting. But they like their apology.

[Manny Mua]

Not good. Also, to be honest with you, since the brand was fresher, it was a bit of a newer brand. It wasn't brand spanking new, but it was.

[Laura Lee]

Was newer and it was starting to pop. The.

[Manny Mua]

Yes, it was newer. When, when it's not like an urban decay, Estee Lauder, l' Oreal situation. Whenever it's like a newer brand, for money, monetarily sakes, it's better to scrap those projects that take hits early on like that. Like Cecily with her PJ line. Scrap it. Kylie Swim. Scrap it. Euphoria. It's. It's better because if the brand doesn't have a long legacy worth defending, it's going to be easier to start from scratch. Those investors, you know, I think they could privately. No, they can't.

[Laura Lee]

I just think. I just think they cannot recover.

[Manny Mua]

Exactly. But what's the point in trying to work so hard on recovering when you. Whenever it's so badly damaged? But it's new, so it's not worth $20 billion. You know what I mean? It's not bought out. It's not a public brand. There's. It's definitely.

[Laura Lee]

It's a scrap 100 especially because, like, once their retailers had pulled, I think Revolve had pulled, Ulta had pulled. Like the retailers are pulling from it. That's like, baby, I mean, maybe they.

[Manny Mua]

Shouldn'T create a line at all. But I'm just saying it was clear it's an investor company. Like the investors are going to create anyone.

[Laura Lee]

They're going to be like, oh, bitch.

[Manny Mua]

We got like, they'll learn from this and then they'll scrap that. Something completely different is that.

[Laura Lee]

But yeah, no, I feel like, you know, them closing, I think that really just shows that, like, people truly do care about brands doing the best that they can to be inclusive and try to make range Also we have so.

[Manny Mua]

Many brands now compared to in the past where we didn't have about good.

[Laura Lee]

I don't even know nothing.

[Manny Mua]

Beauty is one of the most saturated markets.

[Laura Lee]

Absolutely.

[Manny Mua]

So one mistake, one fuck up like that, which. That was a big fuck up. I'm not saying it was small fuck up. It was a big fuck up. But one mistake like that we don't really need your brand anymore.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

We have so many brands. So. And that. And it also makes it easier for like revolve to drop you. It makes it easier. I mean they can snap their fingers because they. There is just too. Honestly, there's too many makeup brands.

[Laura Lee]

Absolutely.

[Manny Mua]

There's too many options now.

[Laura Lee]

It's almost hard to like so to stand out in some capacity in some way in the beauty space.

[Manny Mua]

It is in general. Unless you have a celebrity name tied to you. It's impossible.

[Laura Lee]

It's the truth.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Or you have about a billion dollars in marketing.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. But honestly all the top brands in Sephora are connected to a famous founder.

[Laura Lee]

Totally. I mean and that's kind of like what you need now to stand out now like nowadays or like a famous makeup artist's.

[Manny Mua]

That's a famous founder.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. Famous in some way. I cannot agree more. But yeah. The euphoria theme closing. I'm not surprised at all. It actually makes a lot of sense for them to. To be called out. Actually.

[Manny Mua]

It checks out.

[Laura Lee]

It actually checks out a lot for them to close doors. Yeah. Because especially when it was like the shade. I remember when I was. I saw creators like put this black shade on and it was like actually insane to me. I was like this is insane. One that I thought was fascinating. Do beauty gurus make get paid a ton of money? Thoughts? I follow one of my favorite influencers. Not in beauty, but she seems down to earth. That makes zero sense of how a beauty influencer can make so much money and dress very high end designer having everything. Do they make a lot of money, Laura?

[Manny Mua]

They do. Don't let them lie to you either.

[Laura Lee]

Do not let them pull the fucking Shane Dawson. Be like, I'm just fucking poor. Like. You're not. You're not. You're pissing me off. You're not fucking poor if you're a. Also depending. Obviously there's a spectrum. There's a spectrum. There's a big spectrum. There could be a lot of creators that are actually big that don't make money. That's a thing. And people actually have to go back to work. Whole different thing. But then there's creators that are big, that make a lot of money. So it actually really does depend.

[Manny Mua]

Any YouTuber that's big is rich. Any YouTuber that's Big is rich. And let me tell you why. Because they make money off their views. So let's say He's a huge YouTuber. YouTuber. And they don't get one sponsor. They're still making music, they are making money. And YouTube pays more than ever right now, by the way. More than ever for AdSense right now.

[Laura Lee]

Because they want more people to be on the platform. Very questionable.

[Manny Mua]

Because you can have like 5 million followers on TikTok and make no money.

[Laura Lee]

It's the truth. It really. It just so fiercely depends, like, if you can monetize your content. Content, there's like, you can do a deep dive on, like, being a creator, just in general, being an influencer, creator, whatever. If your content is monetizable, if it appeals to brand. There's so many aspects of it. But a lot of the times there's creators that are fucking massive creators that are like, I'm gonna have to go back to work because they are not able to monetize their content or their content is not brand safe.

[Manny Mua]

Yes, exactly. Meaning they're making maybe funny content or maybe quick funny skits or like quick funny voiceovers, and it's blown their account up. But when you don't get paid for those, your videos have to be over.

[Laura Lee]

A minute long, at least a minute long to get paid.

[Manny Mua]

You're not.

[Laura Lee]

If you're in the program, and you.

[Manny Mua]

Have to be accepted in the program. Even when you do get paid, it's not very much on Tik Tok, like, we ain't talking to you.

[Laura Lee]

It's crazy pennies.

[Manny Mua]

So you don't get paid a lot. So brands also are not going to be looking to sponsor you if you just make funny content the whole time. You know what I mean? Like, if you're not making crass content.

[Laura Lee]

Or making inappropriate content, there's not many.

[Manny Mua]

Things that would stop you from making money. So do makeup people? People. They're successful in the makeup industry. Beauty gurus make money?

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny Mua]

Yes, yes, absolutely, yes. Do all creators on TikTok? I don't know.

[Laura Lee]

No, no, definitely not. Not all beauty creators on TikTok make a lot of money either. So it really is like, that's true. It just depends on what they're doing.

[Manny Mua]

Also, it's a different time. So, you know, like, for instance, like back in 2016, 17, you would see someone with 2 million views, they have millions of Dollars. They show up on YouTube on TikTok Nowadays, you may see a creator with 2 million followers. Do not assume that they're millionaires, because that's not true.

[Laura Lee]

They're actually most likely not.

[Manny Mua]

They're most likely not.

[Laura Lee]

They're probably like, it's the TikTok. The. The TikTok game is a lot different. TikTok is than the YouTube game was. And YouTube, like let's say if you were getting 2 million videos of video on YouTube, you were getting paid out tens of thousands of dollars. You know, you get 2 million views on a TikTok now, you and I.

[Manny Mua]

Maybe a hundred dollars if you're lucky.

[Laura Lee]

If you're lucky. So it's really. It just. It's a completely different ball game. But back then, yes, it did make a difference on YouTube.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. So what else you got in that chamber of secrets?

[Laura Lee]

I have a few more in my chamber. Hold on. Okay. So this actually I thought was just a fascinating thing overall. Cause I think it's an overarching thing. So recently, Urban Decay did a campaign with Ari Kitzia, who is a of model, and she was basically kind of like the face for. I believe it was like one of their. Either their shadows or their setting sprays. I don't know exactly what it was. It was like investing, investigating the. It was like a funding campaign around it. So the topic is of being like, why are beauty brands using non beauty people as their reps now it's like become like this whole topic where, like, that's kind of where the Reddit went to, where it was kind of like, well, why is, for example, Urban Decay using this girl who is not a beauty?

[Manny Mua]

Why does Selena Gomez, a singer, have a makeup line?

[Laura Lee]

Because popularity, relevancy and popularity.

[Manny Mua]

Why is Jamie Lee Curtis, the speaker for activity, there it is.

[Laura Lee]

Cause her big old titties.

[Manny Mua]

Yeah. Cause her big old titties.

[Laura Lee]

I see the clip.

[Manny Mua]

I fucking love that woman.

[Laura Lee]

Love her. But so, yeah, it's just funny. It's become like this topic conversation where it's like, maybe this is more.

[Manny Mua]

Even talking about tap in beauty has like tapped into the world of like, okay, we don't need beauty people to support beauty. It really is just a bucket of popularity. And that is the truth. You don't have to have people in beauty to sell beauty 100%.

[Laura Lee]

And the thing is, also think about it this way. Let's say a brand like they say they work with. Let's say they work with me. They worked with me. My audience saw it and they posted it they're like, okay, for the next campaign, we're not going with Manny because we just did something with Manny. He's a beauty creator who has a beauty audience. We're going to work with this person who doesn't have a beauty creator audience, but maybe they could be interested in something beauty related to.

[Manny Mua]

I think it's smart.

[Laura Lee]

So it's literally just another avenue to another.

[Manny Mua]

Have you noticed Urban Decay has leaned more into this in other brands? They just did Tara Yummy Love, and I loved it. How many makers reviews has Tara Yummy set down and done? None. Exactly. So it's the same thing as them using an only fans girl. It's more of like, Tara's very popular. She probably has a huge female audience. They're probably in the age range of my makeup. It's perfect for the campaign. But the consumer's like, well, use a beauty guru. Yes, but you really don't have to. You can use anyone with popularity to market.

[Laura Lee]

This is also why you see a lot of other, like, people doing things like that. Madison Rae. And just random people endorse. At the end of the day, it's endorsing. You're modeling for it.

[Manny Mua]

It's an endorsement.

[Laura Lee]

It's an endorsement. I literally. So I just did a campaign for Bareminerals and I was in one of their commercials for their powder, and people were commenting like, well, you don't use bare minerals. How dare you get to do this thing? And I literally was like, well, I'm hired to do a campaign as a model for them, and I'm endorsing them and I'm using the products that they're giving me, which I really, really genuinely enjoyed. And I actually loved that. Their powder. So it's not just about, like, oh, I didn't see you talking about them all the time. It's not about that. It's about the brand wanting to work with you as a creator because they liked you, they liked your vibe, they.

[Manny Mua]

Felt you feel like you connect for them. Right.

[Laura Lee]

And yes, I'm a beauty creator, so, you know, it's different because I do. I am in the beauty space. But if a brand likes another person that might not fit into the beauty space necessarily, it doesn't mean that they can't work with them.

[Manny Mua]

I think beauty brands will lean more and more into this as well.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, I think. I mean, I think it depends. I think that I've seen brands get backlash. We're not using beauty people. I've seen brands, like, get praised for not using me. So it really just depends. I think it's gonna be a little bit of a mixture of both, I.

[Manny Mua]

Think as I think it's gonna lean more towards not always using beauty people. I think they're gonna, they're learning. Like, okay, like, we have Bella Hadid with fragrance. We have, like, it can be anyone really. As long as they have the audience that you're looking for.

[Laura Lee]

As long as they have audience. That's what the brands want.

[Manny Mua]

That's what they want. That's what they want.

[Laura Lee]

As long as they have people that they think will buy the things. And who knows? Honestly, we don't even know if this campaign was successful.

[Manny Mua]

True.

[Laura Lee]

Like, what if this, let's say Urban Decay, they just tried to do this with this girl. It wasn't a success for them. They didn't get sales that they wanted to. Then they're like, maybe we should try doing a beauty guru again. You'd never really know until, I mean, you actually just never know. The brand just wanted what they wanted and if they got their return, great. If they didn't and they didn't and they tried to something else. So it's always a revolving door.

[Manny Mua]

10 more minutes.

[Laura Lee]

It's always a revolving door. This one. Okay, I thought this one was just kind of fascinating. And I, because it just. The title was Men in Makeup and I'm like, here we go, here we go. So it was just like this person basically was saying, like, I noticed that men will acquire cult, like followings in women dominated spaces. Don't get me wrong, everyone is beautiful. There's spaces for everyone. But what makes them feel gross about it is that these people develop huge followings, very loyal and cult like. But their point of view, they don't, like, they don't do it a lot to further improve the world of the beauty space. And they think that individuals are problematic and question the representation of the LGBT community in the beauty space. So I just thought it was a fascinating topic overall because, you know, there's a lot of men in beauty and obviously as a man in beauty myself, and they were just basically saying like, oh, well, what if they don't give. They don't bring anything to this space. They don't bring anything to the beauty space because they're guys. So. And they just have a lot of attitude and they're like, like dramatic. And there's aspects of that that are true, actually. There's a lot of, like, there's a lot of creators that are men that are dramatic and problematic. And drama has surrounded that's absolutely true. But what I say to that is that there's a lot of girls out. There's been a lot of drama and a lot of dramatic things have happened with women too. And I still think that there is so much more female representation in the beauty space, which I love. There is, and I think that's where it belongs. I think it should always be. It's dominated, and it will always be a female dominant space. In my personal opinion, I think that it should always be a dominated space for women. I think that it's cool that women actually have a space, that they're like, they are the front runners. So I think, like, to me, it's like the men in makeup are like, literally like 10.

[Manny Mua]

They are of what? The beauty space is also beauty. Let's take beauty space out of it. Did you know influencing in general is completely and totally dominated by women, not just beauty.

[Laura Lee]

Not surprised.

[Manny Mua]

Influencing as a total is a woman dominate space. So that's going the same thing. Well, why are there men here? Well, men can.

[Laura Lee]

They can do it too. Like a little. At least, like a droplet.

[Manny Mua]

And yes, they'll cause problems, but it is ultimately a woman's dominate space influencing.

[Laura Lee]

And I love that. And it's like. But I think what. What they're saying is like, oh, well, they're not representing the LGBT community correctly. And it's kind of like, well, is everyone representing every community correctly? Like, there's always gonna be.

[Manny Mua]

It seems like you don't like boys and men.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, it sounds like you're a fucking homophobe. It sounds a little pointed.

[Manny Mua]

It feels like, because if you look at the bigger picture of that, it's like, why aren't you complaining about men being influencers since that's also a woman dominated space influencing. It's a woman domestic space. It's starting to feel pointed.

[Laura Lee]

No, and the thing is, like, they're like. It's like a really long Reddit thread and it's about to be someone's opinion. It's just someone's opinion. Exactly. So it's more of just a topic to talk about. And, you know, they can feel validated in their feelings. Absolutely. But they were just saying, like, oh, it doesn't feel like they really care about beauty. They really care about the space. Like, people like makeup by Mario, Jonathan, Jonathan Van Ness, and it's like, well, at the end of the day, every.

[Manny Mua]

But makeup by Mario and Jonathan are part of the beauty community.

[Laura Lee]

Correct. And that's. So they're basically just Saying this is what it is. Only the only men I can think of who are truly lovers of the beauty and artistry and try to spread technique is Mario and Jonathan.

[Manny Mua]

And I'm like Wayne Goss himself. Well, Wayne, okay, he pioneered. Okay, he pioneered this shit.

[Laura Lee]

So know, it's just funny because by what I say, that is like at the end of the day, men in the beauty space, literally 10 of it, it's not a lot. We actually get like a lot of underrepresentation in comparison. But that is okay because I think it's meant to be a.

[Manny Mua]

Because women dominated spaces being protective over, like the few crumbs that women get on this earth of a dom. We truly get crumbs of a dominated space. And then people look at it as a competition. Oh, we have men moving. That's not what this is.

[Laura Lee]

That's not. Is you guys.

[Manny Mua]

I promise you that's not what it is.

[Laura Lee]

Because at the end of the day, men are wearing way less makeup than women do. And just overarchingly. That just. It is what it is. It's more so just about, like feeling, like, accepted in some spaces, like a little, you know, so. Yeah. And at the end of the day, everyone is dramatic in ways. There's gonna be dramatic girls, there's dramatic boys, there's gonna be great girls. Gonna be great boys. It just.

[Manny Mua]

Have you watched the Jake Paul video? Okay, diva.

[Laura Lee]

Okay, okay. Let's really take it there.

[Manny Mua]

Let's do. Okay, we wanna talk about being dramatic.

[Laura Lee]

Let's cl. Like, let's really clock it. Okay.

[Manny Mua]

I think that's our last one for today.

[Laura Lee]

I think that was our last one. I do. I think that I honestly, I thought this was really fascinating. I think it's a really cool thing to kind of go down and see what people like, what the overarching beauty opinion or beauty lifestyle influencer opinion, what people think. And it's just like a kind of a little portal into what, you know, a consensus about a topic can be. And I'm just. Obviously we're giving our own opinion about every single thing. But, you know, there's always. People are gonna have opinions about things. And that's why we have a podcast for.

[Manny Mua]

And we're here to create conversations. So we hope you guys enjoyed today's episode and we'll see you in the next one.

[Laura Lee]

Bye.

[Manny Mua]

Bye, guys.

[Laura Lee]

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