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Arsenal triumphant as Liverpool’s crisis deepens: Football Weekly Extra
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Another home defeat for Liverpool has piled pressure on Arne Slot. Max Rushden is joined by Barry Glendenning, Archie Rhind-Tutt and Nicky Bandini to discuss that, Arsenal’s win against Bayern Munich and Tottenham’s high-scoring defeat in Paris
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Barry Glendenning
Hello and welcome to the Guardian Football Weekly Sunday in the Champions League. 42 goals in eight games. Choose your own lead story. Arsenal's 100% record continues with a comfortable win over until now undefeated Bayern Munich. Oh, they're good. That Chelsea game at the weekend looks exciting, doesn't it Barry? Meanwhile, Liverpool do not look good. Their biggest ever home defeat in the Champions League to PSV even. I'm not saying Van Dijk's in a natural position for that one. And then spurs needed to give it a go and they gave it a go in Paris. Took the lead twice, but didn't factor in quite how good Vitinha is before losing it all in the second half. But to dare is to do.
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Archie Rintut
And they dared.
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Barry Glendenning
They're just not as good as some other teams. Add to that four for Mbappe, a vintage Simeone. Charge down the touchline and you've got a lot to look back on. Then a Premier League preview. What are Chevrolet United's owners thinking? And the WSL apologized for an Influencer cup draw. As always, we'll answer your questions. And that's today's Guardian Football Weekly.
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Archie Rintut
Foreign.
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Barry Glendenning
Today, Barry Glendenning. Hello.
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Max
Hi Max.
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Barry Glendenning
Welcome. Nikki Bandini.
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Nikki Bandini
Morning.
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Barry Glendenning
And hello. Archie Rintut.
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Max
Hey, Max.
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Barry Glendenning
The furious debate before the episode about what we begin with, but we're gonna start at the Emirates since Arsenal are top of the league, but difficult to choose between that and Liverpool, I guess, and maybe even Tottenham. But Arsenal 3, Bayern Munich 1. Marissa says at what point do we accept that Arsenal are going to win it all? So two sides with 100% record so far in the Champions League, probably the two best in the competition so far. And you know, this could be the final in however many months time. I think it's been Nicky, long enough since we asked you something like are they the best team ever? Or like how good is this? Or anyway, give us some perspective because it must be great right now. The last few Days have been brilliant as an Arsenal fan.
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Nikki Bandini
Yeah, I mean, obviously, like, all jokes aside about the fact that people get a tiny bit ahead of themselves. And bear in mind that the best team in Europe by a mile last season was psg and they barely got through the group stage. You don't know who's going to be playing the best football at the end of the season just because the team's playing well in November. But as a fan as well as obviously someone who covers football, but someone who has been an Arsenal fan since I was a kid, like, you really struggle to remember a moment when it felt as good as this. Like, it feels like it's been been a while since it's felt anything close to as good as this. And specifically, there's something about this matchup with Bayern Munich, I think that feels like a confirmation or a validation, perhaps a better word, of what's been going on recently, because this is the team that. And I know that we're now talking seven years ago, eight years ago, but in 2017, beat us 5, 1 twice. This was a team that was always just that insurmountable obstacle for Arsenal. And even more recently than that, obviously, was a team that Arsenal still couldn't. Couldn't seem to match up to. Obviously, we talked about eight years ago, you're talking about a team that has Lauren Kisheli in it against a team that's got Arjen Robin and Robert Levandowski in it. So it's a very different era to what we're playing right now. But I do think that coming off the back of clobbering Tottenham in the league, to come into the cup and have this sort of performance against a team that really is playing. Declan Rice said it a full time. The best football in Europe. Bayern Munich play some really nice football. They played it again last night. They played really good football. It feels like. Not that it necessarily needed rubber stamping, but it does feel like a rubber stamp on. My goodness. This team isn't just good, it's. It's really, really good.
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Barry Glendenning
And Barry, you know, the goals come from everywhere. They've got so many, you know, different players who've now scored sort of four, five, six goals. The, like the set piece delivery of Sack and Rice, I know we've talked about it before, it's of. It's insane how accurate it is. It's just sort of like these, these arrows, like firing in at Manuel Neuer. We'll get on to him going for a jog in a bit because that's clearly the greatest moment of the game. But you know, sure. I'm just saying Arsenal are good again. I, I, I, you know, does this confirm things for you, Barry? Does make you think, you know, they really could run away with things.
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Max
I think it's a possibility. But we know how quickly teams can inexplicably collapse. We know, I mean they, people talk about their strength and depth. I think a potentially a serious injury to Declan Rice could be potentially ruinous to their season. The deliveries, not quite arrows. Arrows tend to go straight, but yeah, Bukayo Saka's delivery for the opener was absolutely perfect. And in the absence of Gabrielle, they have Yuri and timber on hand to foul the goalkeeper and score, which is handy more another example of their strength and depth. I'm being slightly facetious there, but it was a really good goal. They're terrific team. That second half performance yesterday, I mean they could have gone 2:1 down. They probably should have. When Jonathan Ta sent Dana Sich away and he shot when he should have squared the ball, I think he had three. Kane, Elise and Leonard, Carl all waiting. What a player. He looks, by the way. Only 17, but yeah, brilliant, brilliant second hand half performance from Arsenal. The Arsenal friends of my acquaintance and there are, there are quite a few of them, they are all being very tight lipped but I can tell they, they think this is the season but they're saying nothing. They're, they're keeping their mouths shut for now.
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Barry Glendenning
Oh, I don't blame them. I don't blame them. Look, yesterday, Archie, we, you know, we got a bit of perspective on how good is this Barcelona team at Chelsea B and Nick has already alluded to it, but it is worth confirming that it is not easy to beat Bayern Munich, is it?
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Archie Rintut
It's not Just a few things to add. I remember when Bayern beat Arsenal the last time in the Champions League and they'd been thinking before about signing Declan Rice and they felt vindicated by the performance that Rice didn't put in there. I wonder if the performance that Declan Rice put in last night was something of a response to that because, yeah, like a sushi restaurant, Rice was everywhere. It was absolutely amazing how he would go for a 30 yard run forward and then he lost the ball, but he's then sprinting back at the same velocity and that moment where he did exactly that and dispossessed Harry Kane with a sly tackle gives it the big one to the fans. I thought he was, he was superb. The truth is Arsenal were a cut above anything that Bayern have faced this season. The fact that they didn't have Luis Diaz was, I think, the tipping point here. That compared to the PSG game in that first half where they dominated psg, they certainly lacked a physical quality to them last night. That Leonard Karl has been able to come in 17 years old and be as imposing. That finish is really not easy, even if you're right in front of goal. And it was very much I'm him energy from him. From a Bayern perspective, this is the first defeat of the season. As you've mentioned, they've been playing really well this season. 18 game unbeaten, run over. They've done this without Jamal Musiala and Alphonso Davies out injured a thinner squad than before. But I think by looking across at Arsenal and seeing the strength and depth that they have, the fact that you can bring on Calafiore and a minute later he's storming down the touchline to provide that assist for Noni Madueke. They will store this defeat. It will be intriguing to see what happens come March, April, because this buying side under Vincent Co have shown their capabilities in learning.
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Nikki Bandini
I thought it was really interesting you say store this defeat, Archie, like the response of. Of Harry Kane right afterwards being like, well, we'll see. Basically pretty much said, we'll see you again in the spring is more or less. I'm paraphrasing, but it basically was, well, we're going to be at the later end of this tournament. We're expecting you to be there, so see you there. That's kind of how it came across and what I loved about this game actually all around. I mean, you talked about Declan Rice being everywhere and he was. Rice was absolutely monstrous and I can't say enough about how good of a footballer he's become. I thought Zubimendi was great in the Arsenal midfield as well, but I do think that it's worth saying, talking about players being everywhere, especially when you consider that he is a centre forward. Harry Kane was putting himself about last night. Harry Kane was not shy in getting about the pitch. And what I was just getting to with this game was this game sort of didn't matter because both of these teams could afford to lose and still more than likely go through in the top eight, go through to the. To the last 16, not have to do that extra playoff round in the knockouts. And yet neither of them took it lightly. Arsenal, I think, made two changes from the game against Tottenham, even though they've got Chelsea come next. I don't know how many changes Bayern Munich made But this was basically full strength teams going at it at full strength. And I think that was to some degree a reflection of where both these teams are, are in their development and their identity is they actually really wanted this chance to put themselves up against someone who they see as a direct rival to win this thing and who they want to say, okay, let's get the measure of you. So I, I think there was as a spectator, enjoyable, but also maybe as a psychologist, interesting level of intensity to this game. Given that, you could say it didn't matter much.
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Barry Glendenning
I mean, we mentioned Cucarelli yesterday being possibly the best left back in the Premier League slash Europe plus the world. I mean, Califioria is up there because he is some player, isn't it? And that with that ball for Madawake was great. Lovely moment for Mad Wake. And then we get to the Martinelli goal. Sean says, did I just see Manuel Neuer walk past the living room window? Honestly, Barry, when I first saw it, because you don't see, you know, the camera, you don't know noise, I thought it was a pitch invader. I was like, I genuinely was like, who's that there? And we know Neuer comes out and it's a wonderful touch from Martelli, but it was so funny.
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Max
Yeah. For anyone who didn't see it, Michael Alisa had the ball on the the right wing while Byron were attacking. He kind of ran into a blind alley, was dispossessed and his former palace teammate e sort of launched the ball over the top for Martinelli to chase. And Martinelli set off and about. I don't know what was it? Five yards inside the Bayern Munich he met Neuer sprinting in the other direction. And Martinelli, I presume it was intentional. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Brilliant. First touch off his knee to take the ball and pass Neuer and take Neuer out of the game. And then he had the fairly straightforward task of slotting the ball into an empty net from about 25 yards out. But yeah, Neuer, massive rush of blood to the head. I presume he thought he could get to the ball before Martinelli. He didn't, but I think his head was gone. He, he was at fault for the first goal. We know ar how good Arsenal are at corners, but he, he did come and flap and having got a little nudge from Timber who ended up glancing the header in, Arsenal could have scored from another couple of corners, I think. Was it Merino headed one, A very pretty straightforward chance down and wide and Neuer pulled off a couple of what, on the face of it, look good saves. I would say a couple of more lucky. Whereas he. He was all over the place and the ball just happened to hit him. So it wasn't a particularly good game for him, but the game was more or less lost by that stage anyway. I love seeing people who are brilliant at what they do make really terrible mistakes. It just makes me feel better about myself.
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Archie Rintut
The thing is that that rush of blood to the head is a regular occurrence, except that most of the time for Manuel Neue in his career, it's come off. And as someone who watches Bayern live most weeks, the thing that you don't see on the usual camera one shot is that at every corner that Bayern get, Manuel Neuer does this thing almost like a fox kind of marking his territory, where he'll just come and sneak over the halfway line. Toes of shit on the goal line.
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Barry Glendenning
I was gonna say. It seems like that to me mentally.
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Archie Rintut
As if to say, like, just to let you know I'm here, what an image I've given Barry there.
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Max
That would be tremendous.
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Archie Rintut
To be fair, it wouldn't be the first act by a German goalkeeper on the pitch, given that Jens Lehmann famously once relieved himself next to his goal post. What I would say in a more serious tone is that respect to Arsenal for the speed of that turnover accounted it was eight touches in 12 seconds from the ball leaving the Arsenal penalty area to the ball going across the line from Martinelli. But there is a little thing for Bayern that is. That's the third game running that Manuel Neuer has. Has made a rick. And six of the last nine goals they've conceded have been from set pieces. They are still miles clear in the Bundesliga. No one is going to catch them. But this is, I think, is something that they're going to have to work on. And they will, because they are. They are very thorough with the way that they work. The Vincent company mantra has always been, when we're. When we're great, let's not get too high. When we lose, let's not get too low. And they sounded pretty even after it as well. But as Barry says, when you see somebody as good as Manuel nor making mistakes like that, the thing is it empowers a lot of people to think, wow, that's okay, I can get away with that. And the thing is that I think the true show of Mamonoy's greatness is that after that goal, you see him race out again, but he doesn't care. And he. He does A magnificent pass down the left and that shows you that the level that he still has, even if he is not at his Zenit right now. Zenith.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, worth saying he hasn't signed to Zenit yet. I mean, that'll be a moment, but yeah. Arsenal have never lost a game. Arsenal have never lost a game. When Martine's found, found the back of the net, he's scoring games. They've won 41 and drawn nine. That is from Opta. That's an interesting statistic and I liked Bayern Munich school socks just to bring.
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Nikki Bandini
Us full circle, talking about the intensity and talking about the fact it's a long season. Arsenal look great now I think about Inter last season, who went for the quadruple, overexcited themselves, won nothing at all. So I think that's worth saying. But the reason actually that you feel like this Arsenal team might weather it is because Martinelli, who is nothing like a first choice player, is still that sort of effectiveness of player because you can lose Trossard and suddenly Madueke's scoring his first goal. I know it's not an original point, but I do think that is what makes this group feel different. It's just the depth of those options is really extraordinary.
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Barry Glendenning
To Anfield then. And look, we've said before, and we will keep saying that everything surrounding Liverpool needs to be contextualized with, you know, the impact of Diogo Jota's death and they get a pass from me, whatever happens. But a 41 defeat at home to PSV, they've lost five of their last seven in all competitions, nine in 12 in that run. Of the seven, they've conceded three or more five times. It was their biggest ever home defeat in the Champions League. Tusha says if a Liverpool fan decided not to cut his hair till Liverpool won five games in a row, who would get a haircut first? Them or the Man United fan? And you know, Slot is being asked questions Barry about his future. He said, I feel safe, I'm okay. I've got a lot of support from above. We're getting questions about, you know, would Inzaghi come to Liverpool? Is that a good idea? I saw G Manfield rap saying, you know, his time is up. And it's extraordinary when you think about it, isn't it?
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Max
Yeah, I think I'm surprised to hear the lads from the end for rep think his time is up.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, I don't know all of them, I just.
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Max
Yeah, it's not a criticism. I'm just surprised. I thought there would be more patient I suppose the difference is I'm not a Liverpool fan so it doesn't matter to me that Liverpool are on this bonkers losing streak, whereas it does very much matter to people who are invested in the club and it's a terrible run. I have no idea what is going on in the minds of slots employers so it would be ludicrous for me to say whether I think he'll get fired or not. But if he keeps losing games like this he will at some point lose his job. I'm surprised by how little he seems to be doing to change things. There were some shocking performances from various Liverpool players last night, but Mo Salah for example was hopeless and has been hopeless for some time. But he seems to be undroppable. See also Ibrahima Kanate Virgil van Dijk is not playing well. Why does Milos Kirkus keep getting sent out into a hail of bullets when he's clearly having a terrible time of it. His confidence has bottomed out and he just shouldn't be starting games. Curtis Jones gave a several interviews after the game last night. In one he described Liverpool as being in the shit. In another he and he he was saying that Liverpool players need to start smashing into tackles and make people afraid of coming to Anfield again because teams are no longer afraid. Archie sent the the clip around this morning and one of the comments underneath it was that Curtis Jones sounds like someone who is in the scouse or trying to do a Scouse accent which I thought was quite funny but I wasn't even sure if the interview was real or not but it was.
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Archie Rintut
Me neither.
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Max
Yeah it was a real interview but Curtis Jones was horribly at fault for one of the goals where I think it was the third third PSV goal whereas a player sauntered past him he made no effort to chase him. Mo Salah was horribly at fault for PSV second goal where Mario junior just sauntered past him with the ball and Salah made no effort to chase him. The only Liverpool player I can see who's who's playing anywhere decently is Dominic Szabozwa. And then last night as well. Alexander Isaac didn't start like he can't get in that scene. That's unbelievable. What a disappointment he's been so far. Newcastle fans must be absolutely laughing their heads off at what has become of their former star striker. During the summer Isaac was being touted as the best striker in Europe. I mean he's not even the best striker in the Liverpool squad. Any talk of him being the best striker in Europe was laughable, I think even at his best. But. But he, he must be embarrassed at what's going on. But yeah, a really a shocking performance by Liverpool last night, but not a hugely surprising one.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, essentially it reminds me a bit of when. When Andy Cole went to Man United because. Because like he couldn't miss at Newcastle Cole and obviously he came good at United but for a while he wasn't great and there was this just kind of what's. What's happened here. Like Isaac when he came on looked like he couldn't really play.
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Archie Rintut
You need a hierarchy in a club where everybody knows what their roles and who is bigger in terms of the stardom ranking. And I think the problem is, and I know this has been said before but I think bears repeating it that you have, you have so many players there who think I should be the star. And I look at the fact of losing Nunes and Diaz and I think too often with those two people looked more at what they couldn't do rather than what they were doing because they were giving a lot to the team in terms of dynamic and off the ball and. And you see it now when I mean Salah's defending for that it looks more like he's. He's doing. He's trying to do some sort of rushed ticket inspection on Mauro junior and then he just gives up. It's bizarre. And I'm seeing also from Liverpool fans saying that, well, does Mo Salah also want to stand up for this team in the media? Because Virgil Van Dijk's done it enough and Mo Salah never comes out and speaks to anyone unless he wants a new contract or something along those lines. And it does come back to the original point and you listen to all the voices that we're hearing from Liverpool players and I mean Andy Robertson as well when he was on Scotland duty. And I think that the grief from Diogo Jota still plays that still plays a role in terms of how everybody is suffering with themselves right now and doesn't know how to resolve the situation. No doubt Arne Slot is also making tactical errors here as well in terms of what are the best tactics for his team. But it's difficult I think with the media cycle and the way that we work, which is when a game comes, there's an expectation that we need to find a fresh angle on something and a fresh perspective. And when the answer is grief, which is the most unlinear thing of how it affects you and particularly as a footballer, when you are sitting in a hotel room on your own for so much of the time and you're left to think about things and yet you cannot say those things in our, in our environment because those are not accepted. It's a really, really complex situation and yeah, it's a, it's difficult one to explain.
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Nikki Bandini
I'm just going to add to that like because I thought it was a really interesting point made by Stephen Warnock on Match of the Day when people talk about changing manager because I think Archie spoke really well to that complicated nature of grief when you talk about changing manager, which I think is crazy anyway this early after he's won your league title last season. But Steve Warnock was making that point of a new manager is going to walk into that situation of grief and how complicated would that be if someone who's then got to step into a situation that is not, is not their grief surrounded by people who are dealing with that grief. Like I think there's another, it's another really important point actually which the club needs to get to weigh up and consider if it is. And I don't know we're probably over discussing this change of manager angle but it has been picked up and mentioned but I don't think it's on the cards.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, no, no, I agree with all of that. I think it's so fascinating what confidence does and for whatever reason that confidence has gone. And also Nikki, I think because football is so ruthless, isn't it, that now you could see PSV could smell blood. Like any team now will go to Anfield and go like they're not on it and there is no like reputation counts for zero basically. And they just went there and they would. And pick them off.
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Nikki Bandini
Yeah, I mean that's the part of the Curtis Jones comments that perhaps is true is that there is no fear factor at Anfield now because of how things have gone. And the crazy thing is that. But it certainly seemed like Liverpool had plenty of chances to win the game. Van Dijk hits the bar at 11 you get Gakpo with a back header pose from a lovely cross from Shopoly at 2:1. There were plenty of chances for Liverpool to score goals in this game but it did feel like in part because of the things guys already mentioned about how sloppy and lazy some of the tracking back was. Abs and the tracking back was. It felt like every time PSV got the ball going forward they thought fancy this, we've got a chance here, we're going to go for it. And, and I think that that is almost the, the Reverse of the, the Arsenal buying game where both teams play with such an incredible intensity. Liverpool liked intensity in this game and, and it's a really mundane point but at the highest level of football that intensity is everything. If you haven't got that, you're not going to compete with teams even if you're more technically gifted than them. You're not going to be able to beat teams if you're not as intense there.
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Max
I mean we talk about the, the grief thing and I, I do believe it's having an impact. Some people laugh at the notion and I think that's quite childish or simplistic view to suggest that it isn't having an impact. But I, I don't think you can lay the blame of people just not doing the basics, running, tackling, tracking, back on grief and for all the fire and brimstone of Curtis Jones's post match rhetoric and he's clearly very angry with his teammates and he did it go out of his way to say he included himself in this. Jamie Carragher made the point like instead of talking about what you're going to do, just, just do it. It's like when people announced or taking a break from social media and you know, you've gone, well, you don't need to announce it just off social media.
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Barry Glendenning
Do you know what? I, I, I don't know if, I don't know if I agree with you on that. I'm really conscious that we now, because of, you know, we think it's really important now whenever we talk about Liverpool like this podcast has like a grief section and I can imagine listeners are like, oh, I don't need to hear this grief section again. But like if it is affecting you, I think it could affect how you train, how you, your gym work, all those things. And it is, you know, because it's such an elite level that if you're not quite at it in the gym then you're not as quick as you were and you're slightly off the pace and your touch is slightly off and then you're like you're not feeling as good as you normally feel on the pitch. And that has an impact. I think it possibly could.
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Max
I'm now beginning to wonder, am I some sort of psychopath? Because people close to me finally friends and relatives have died and I've just gone with things. So am I, am I a weirdo?
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Archie Rintut
No, no, no. But I think that's the exact point, Baz, in that everybody reacts so differently to it and that everybody is trying to process how everyone else is getting on with it, because then there's no doubt someone in the dressing room who probably feels like you and is like, okay, I'm. I'm through this. But this guy is. Is not, because he's a lot closer. And I think that that's probably part of it in the way that they were all on the same page last season. And then comes a life event like that, which just blows everything apart in terms of everyone's joint perceptions.
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Barry Glendenning
And also, like, it's. It's. When most individuals go through this, it is not in the intense situation that a football dressing room is, which is an. Which is just a pla.
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Max
Like, we.
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Barry Glendenning
We are. And, you know, we've sort of said this before that, you know, they're all human beings, and it is true, but they are. We work environments. They're totally different to sort of any other work environment, I think. And so, you know, because you are. You're there, you're sharing these huge high, you know, like these sort of bonding moments every week. You're embracing your, like, you know, you're, you know, you're doing everything together. You know, you are constantly showering together and then running together and then working out together. And then you. This goal happens, and then you embrace each other together. And then, you know, so all those things, I think, create incredibly intense relationships for very short periods of time. Right. They don't all stay friends for the rest of their lives, but I. I am conscious that, you know, and it's a conversation I'm sure we'll have again, but I imagine some listeners are like, I just want to hear, you know, why Virgil Van Dyke stuck his hand in the air like a volleyball spike. Which is a legitimate thing to wonder.
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Max
Yes.
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Archie Rintut
Actually, can I lighten the mood a little bit with Peter Bosch? Peter Bosch. Oh, he, he.
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Max
If, If.
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Archie Rintut
If I. What's the. Yeah, what's the phrase in Harry Potter? Yeah, if I had a patronus, I would want it to be Peter Bosch because just his whole energy is about entertaining. And he gave this wonderful interview in German magazine Al Freunder in this recent. In the most recent edition, where he was talking about his love of Johan Cruyff and saying, I want to give the spectators something to cheer about even if we lose. Sometimes if you play defensively, you'll lose. And then he does something which, if your mate in the pub starts to tell a story where they are the hero, I think you go a bit. Not sure about this, but because it's Peter Bosch, I let it slide. So he goes to the interview. Can I give you one of my favorite moments that you go, yeah, sure. So it was in 2023 in the Champions League against Sevilla. We scored a goal to make it 2:1 to pull one back after halftime. And so Vieira Campos was sent off. I'd already substituted one center back and now wanted to take out the second center back for a strike. So I was standing on the sideline with Patrick Van Arnholt waiting for the right moment. Then we scored the 2 2. What now? Should I take even more of a risk? I thought to myself, fuck it, I'll do it. Olivier Boscali, our center back, came off on the other side. He was furious. We were playing with two fullbacks and four strikers. I think Boscali thought I was crazy as he walked to the bench ranting and raving. We scored to make it 3:2. Unbelievable. He came up to me and said, peter, you've got cojones. You've really got cojones. And Peter Bosch ends by going, that's a compliment. Right? What a character. Delighted that he gets the. He gets the rewards for it with the result last night.
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Nikki Bandini
I know it's really easy to be like dismissive over the Eredivisie sometimes in goals because I think especially Premier League fans have seen players come from there and not replicate in the Premier League. They have scored 41 goals in 13 games in the Eredivisie. They also smashed six, six past Napoli in the Champions League. I mean, this is. That's the other thing that needs to be said. This is not just a Liverpool story, it is a PSV story. They are, as Archie says, wildly entertaining.
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Max
I was looking at one of these XG social media accounts. I can't remember what it's called, but over the past three games on aggregate, Liverpool's XG has been superior to that of their three opponents. But they've lost by an aggregate score of 10 1. So that either means Liverpool aren't as bad as their results suggest or that XG is just a load of old tosh.
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Barry Glendenning
I.
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Max
It's not for me to say which, but I just thought it was an interesting stat.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, no, it's interesting. So they created quite a lot against Forest early, didn't they? And they did again in this case. Nikki alluded to. They created loads of chance in this game. Anyway, let's end part one and part two will begin with PSG 5 Spurs 3.
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Archie Rintut
Foreign.
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Barry Glendenning
Part two of the Guardian Football Weekly so yes to Paris PSG 5, Spurs 3 and look, what spurs wanted was a reaction from Sunday and a team that actually attacked. And I think like, I think they got that. I think, I don't think spurs fans think they should go to Paris and beat psg. And this is the level that Tottenham are at at the moment. But I found it quite, I was sort of quite enthused by this game, Barry.
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Max
I I thought it was a decent performance from spurs, but they give away so many soft goals that were totally on it, are totally avoidable. The penalty was completely avoidable. The Pat show goal was avoidable. At least one of the Vitino goals after he'd scored the first one.
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Archie Rintut
Don'T.
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Max
Let him score the second one. And then obviously he got a penalty, but the penalty shouldn't have been given. And I thought the Fabian Ruiz call was totally avoidable.
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Barry Glendenning
Oh, totally. That was the worst of a lot.
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Max
I thought it was a good performance by spurs, but one marred by really stupid mistakes that allowed PSG to score four goals they probably shouldn't have scored. But you know, players make mistakes but to make so many bad ones in the game. But otherwise I thought spurs were decent enough. They were playing against away from home against the European champions. I would imagine there are probably some spurs fans who think they should be going there and beating them, but compared to their performance on Sunday against Arsenal and it's a low bar this was head and shoulders above that. But they did still lose.
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Nikki Bandini
Yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
I mean, you mentioned Petunia. His first goal is so good. And the Glen Hodl on Coconn is absolutely. It's so good, isn't it, when he's like. Because. Because to be fair, spurs have done that first half really, really well. They came out with this formation which people couldn't work out what it was. It was kind of 4, 2, 2, 2 or like a box. But they had Bergwell and Gray and people. Spurs fans love those two players because they're young and they are good and, you know, Archie Gray had to be center back for season because of all the injuries. And then the huddle is saying, well, look, they're just confining PSG to shots from outside the box and they'll be pretty happy with that. Strike the ball. It was like. It was literally like, what a finish. It was.
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Archie Rintut
Particularly because it's such a ping. Like the way that the ping off the crossbar really adds to the effect.
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Barry Glendenning
Of it, but has that, you know, that Thomas Frank likes just, you know, has said, like, you know, let players shoot from outside the box and they do it because they're so unlikely to score. You know, back to the xg. It's a low xg. Even if it's Bettina. He's such a good player. I don't know what you thought, Archie. I. I thought it was a real step in the right direction and Thomas Frank needed it and maybe, maybe my expectations are. Are lower than they should be. But, you know, after Sunday, which was so bad and also like a run of games, Chelsea game was terrible as well. Seeing them actually attack and like and press and do things that teams should do was a relief.
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Archie Rintut
I think conceding the goals that spurs did takes away from that. But you can't run down five goals where half of them are poor defensive mistakes and go. It's a step in the right direction. Max, you're sounding like Ange.
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Barry Glendenning
So we are, mate. I can't help it.
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Archie Rintut
What's happened, if anything, the thing that I'm thinking is from a personal standpoint is, well, the great force of Spursiness collides with Fulhamish on Saturday and I'm like, oh, we're going to be the team that they turn this round against, aren't we? Aston Villa hadn't won a game this season, but here come Fulham. So, yeah, let's see.
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Barry Glendenning
Can I ask you, Niki, about Christian Romero? Because I just, you know, I can't work out if he's either absolutely brilliant or just. Just a bit of a donut. Like. Or maybe both. Like. Like. Because, like that mistake. He's. He's sort of funny. Makes a mistake as well. He doesn't sort of. He's got such a poker face. He doesn't have poker feet. Of course, we know that. Like, he launches in, but he does have this kind of like blase or not bothered. He just stays the same, this face. Even when he's absolutely messed up.
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Nikki Bandini
Yeah, it's that. It's like terrifying character in the movies who just stays completely silent. Doesn't let you know right before he commits some egregious act.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Nikki Bandini
Of violence, which obviously footballing violence in this case. Not suggesting that Christian Romero is. But he is a bit. That he's got such an edge to him as a player and I think he's a good player. But he does always feel like he's in that. Not showing it, like you say, with the poker face way. He's just a moment away at any given second, a moment away of doing something completely crazy. Which is not necessarily a trait you want in a center back. I. Yeah, I don't know. It's such a weird one because you're saying that Max and obviously Thomas Frank saying, really pleased with the performance. It's just very odd to hear a manager talk about being very pleased with performance after conceding five goals and not like, five goals, that was like, oh, my God, how did we concede five goals? Five goals. Because you gave a lot of them away. Like, it was. It was a. It was a weird one. I don't even completely disagree with you because going forward, there was lots that was good, but at the same time, I didn't see the super cup game. So I'm going off the reports I heard of it, but from everything I understand, Tottenham very, very close to beating PSG in that super cup game. They were tuning up, obviously, and by all the reports the time, they were not undeserving of that tune and up. So it doesn't feel like it's necessarily progress if a few months later you're getting this sort of defensive performance in a rematch.
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Barry Glendenning
I was enthused until we had this conversation.
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Archie Rintut
The difference with the super cup game is the context, because you'd just come off the back of Ange Bull and it seemed like defensive organization. It seemed like pragmatism. And I think that spurs fans were encouraged at the time by, oh, hang on, this could be a new serious face to the team. Except what's come in the last month has been some really gutless performances, particularly in front of goal. And, and now, yeah, it's, it's a.
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Barry Glendenning
Bit different and actually PSG I think hadn't trained for like two months. So, you know, they played the club World cup and then they just sort of came back for a kick about. But Color Moaney scored two, so I have faith, I believe this could be the turning point.
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Max
So. So basically Tottenham's best player in a game against PSG was a PSG player.
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Barry Glendenning
Listen, listen, you know, look, when there are any skills to clutch at, Barry, I clutch at the minute. I'm a glass half full guy, I can't help it. Anyway, I hope Xavi Simmons nose is all right after being elbowed completely unnecessarily by Lucas Hernandez. That was a filthy challenge. Right, let's round to the others. Olympia cost three, Real Madrid four. What's the question for this one, Barry? Kylian Mbappe is good. A seven minute hat trick, four in total.
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Max
Question for this is, did Kylian Mbappe score the fastest hat trick in Champions League history? No, he didn't. He scored one in 6 minutes 42 seconds. But Mo Salah has a quicker one apparently. Yeah. Four three to Madrid. Not as close as the scoreline suggests, but a good effort from Olympiacus nevertheless.
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Barry Glendenning
Athletic beat into 2:1. Andy says. Is it even a Champions League night if it doesn't end with Simeone charging down the touch line? Yeah. What did you make of this one, Nikki?
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Nikki Bandini
It's really hard to figure entire out at the moment. I continue to think best squad is by far the most talented in Italy, but they're. Their record in big games is really bad for a while now. And coming off the really not great defeat to Milan and the Derby, they were hoping for a response here and to then be at least drawing the game away from home to atletico in the 90th minute and concede an equaliser at the end feels like, feels like it's another ding to the morale and belief that this team is able to get over that issue of just not being able to show up in these big games. They've had four, four very straightforward games in this group relative to, relative to what they've got left. I think their first four games, you look at them all, they did win them all, but you think there's a games maybe you expect them to win after this. They get Liverpool Arsenal and Brescia Dortmund away so that they're not going to not go through to at least the Playoffs, but it is tougher from here and that wasn't great. There was a lot that happened last night, so I couldn't give this game as much of my attention as well.
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Barry Glendenning
So I'll ask you a vague question about Atalanta as well. They won three nil in Frankfur. And I try to ask about Adam Ola Lookman, because every time I read about him, he's unhappy. Is he happy? Is he now happy Atlanta?
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Archie Rintut
What's his.
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Barry Glendenning
What's his vibe?
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Nikki Bandini
Well, I'm sure he's. I'm sure everyone. Atlanta is happier after this, after this win because it's better than what they've heard recently, which is a lot of losing, including at the weekend against Napoli. Lookerman wanted to leave this summer. He wasn't subtle about it. The club wouldn't let him leave. I. I think there was a feeling that a gentleman's agreement was broken that he was going to be allowed to leave this summer. And so he was basically frozen out for pre season. He didn't train as a result. He finally got reintegrated but hadn't trained in pre season. Wasn't great to start this season because he wasn't fit. Maybe wasn't great also because Ivan Jurich was the manager. Who can say? But Jurich is now gone. Paladinho's in. I think Paladinho is a really interesting young manager who deserves that chance. He did great work at Fiorentina last season and yeah, obviously didn't start with that. Hasn't started perfectly in the league. But to get a win like this in the cup might just be a good thing for. For Lookman and for Paladinho to get.
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Barry Glendenning
The ball rolling a bit elsewhere. Sporting beat Club Bruga 3 nil. Copenhagen beat Karat 3 2. And a tool draw between Paphos and Monaco, including a brilliant header from David Luiz. I don't know, Barry, if you had any strong thoughts on any of those games.
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Max
Well, Paphos are doing really well for themselves, the Cypriot champions. They currently occupy the 24th and final qualifying spot in the table. They're flying the flag for the little guy, I suppose this season or Lish guy and just Copenhagen. Henry Clarkson's son Jordan 1 and scored a penalty for them. And I went to have a look to see, you know, what age this teenage son of a great is. He's 28.
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Barry Glendenning
Oh no, when they go. And number one when he was born with Brian Adams. Oh, God.
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Max
Yeah, I'm not. I must have heard of it before. And forgotten. But anyway, yes, I think he's 28 and he has 8 caps for Sweden.
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Archie Rintut
I was just going to say a shout out to the 10 Kairat Almaty fans who went to Copenhagen who were presented on the pitch beforehand and congratulated.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, more. More players than fans is always good. Right, That'll do for part two. Part three will be a Premier League Preview.
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Barry Glendenning
To Part 3 of the Guardian Football Weekly Ben says Is Baz still excited by Arsenal Chelsea at the weekend uber Green as he thought your previous similar question was inexplicably beneath him. Does Barry think Arsenal's win tonight as well as Chelsea's win yesterday sets up their weekend clash nicely? Judging from the conversation we had before the pod, no. But over to you, Barry. Chelsea, Arsenal, the game of the weekend. Yes.
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Max
My argument is that what Chelsea and Arsenal do in the Champions League has absolutely zero bearing on what may or may not happen in their game. Premier League game on Sunday. It's already nicely set up. Whether they win in a different competition in the build up to the game makes no difference to me. The thing I'd say about this, just an overview on this weekend's Premier League fixtures. It's the most games gone fixture list we've ever seen, I think because we have an 8pm game on Saturday, which I hate and then on Sunday we have a 12pm game noon game between Crystal palace and Manchester United. That's costing you me money, Max, because we bumped off the radio apparent Palace v menu is going to be more entertaining than us. And then you have three, three fixtures kicking off at not 2pm but 5 2. So yeah, game's gone.
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Nikki Bandini
Every time we talk about like 12 kickoffs, all I can think about is like the, the crappest protest that ever happened in Italy when they introduced the early lunchtime kickoffs and a bunch of Parma fans had the protest. Del Panino, which is the sandwich protest, which is when the game cooked all took out a sandwich and started eating it. That was the protest.
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Barry Glendenning
That's really good. That'll show them. We'll eat lunch at lunchtime while we watch the game. I mean, I don't agree with Barry. I think you don't compartmentalize performances across competitions of course, Carabao cup, you might make loads of changes. But like if you're on a roll and both these teams are on a roll and Chelsea beaten Barcelona and Arsenal beaten Bayern Munich, I think it does seem add more to this game. But you know, I'm happy you are.
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Max
Entitled to your wrong opinion, Max.
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Barry Glendenning
Okay. I'd just like to know if the rest of the panel share my wrong opinion. Archie.
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Archie Rintut
I agree with Max.
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Barry Glendenning
Thank you so much, Niki.
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Nikki Bandini
I think I agree with Max.
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Max
I think it does.
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Nikki Bandini
If two teams go and win really big European games in the same week and then they're playing each other, I think that does does feel like it's building up towards a a a climactic clash, doesn't it?
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Max
Just because I'm in a minority doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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Barry Glendenning
You're absolutely right. Liverpool go to West Ham on Sunday. So, you know, wow. I mean that is. It's probably. Is it the game you want? West Ham are slightly better now, aren't they? So I don't know what game Liverpool want.
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Max
Well, when you're losing, when you're on a horrible losing streak, every game's tricky and new and improved. West Ham away. Would it be a massive shock if Liverpool lost? I don't think so.
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Barry Glendenning
Do you want a fuller minute? You've already slightly touched on it, Archie. They go to Tottenham. It is that Saturday 8 o' clock kickoff. That is an unnecessary time. It's shiny game show time, isn't it? It's not football time, but how do you see Fulham going?
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Archie Rintut
I think Fulham are struggling without Rodrigo Muniz being out for so long now he's ruled out until January at least. Also trying to blood younger new players like Josh King and Kevin is something that we've not done much of before. So that's taking its toll. And I think having overachieved in previous seasons under Marco Silva in the Premier League, this was inevitable that this might happen at some point. Fans are upset about lack of investment. I do think we're a little bit light in central midfield with Berger and Lukic and there's no real replacement for them. But ultimately I'm sticking by Barry's prediction of us to finish 12th.
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Barry Glendenning
Fine. Rob Edwards next game is away at Villa, so that doesn't seem easy at all. Crystal Palace. Man United is one of the midday kicker on Sunday. See what Man United do after that. Home defeat to Everton. Palace away at Strasbourg this evening. Interest comes from Ben Chilwell who's now playing. I don't know if anyone saw these for Strasbourg he said what a story it would be if I went to the World Cup. After I was in the Chelsea bomb squad and everyone had counted me out 12 months prior. It would just be the biggest middle finger to so many people. Which to me is a motivation. Chelsea were honest with me and there's no resentment. But of course I've got an ego. So it'd be a nice feeling to prove some people wrong.
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Archie Rintut
I would say there is some resentment.
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Nikki Bandini
Yeah. Yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
And fair enough. Right. I think you know if anyone was put in a bomb squad I think you're allowed to resent them. Are they Everton? Newcastle, Man City, Leeds, Sunderland, Bournemouth.
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Max
The average Newcastle one is quite an interesting one. Two fascinating teams actually. I. I still think Everton are getting away with murder. But their results suggest otherwise. And maybe it's because I predicted they'd be relegated. But they had a great win over Manchester United on Monday. They're elevens but they're only four points off Champions League place I think. And then Newcastle with their really dreadful away form. I think if Newcastle. Look we've been predicting our. I have been predicting for years now anytime Newcastle go on a bad run that Eddie Howe will come under pressure. But they always seem to dig themselves out of the hole. But I do think he will be under pressure if they lose another away game in the Premier League.
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Archie Rintut
This is the self immolation derby. How appropriate that after the Michael Keena Drisser gay incident on Monday that they should go and face Newcastle. If we were in the US they'd wheel out Lee Bowyer and Kieran Dyer before on the pitch with pugil sticks or something like that.
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Max
It seems.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah.
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Archie Rintut
I. I'm that sometimes the fixture list works out well.
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Barry Glendenning
We talked about in the box and ideas for Sky. You know get those two and get some people's things. I'm in. I did watch all of in the box and I actually sort of. I hate myself for not hating it. I mean it was clearly completely ridiculous. One of the worst of it. Whoever had to edit that is like having to edit Big Brother would be an absolute nightmare. But like there was part of me that sort of kept on watching. So you know maybe I shouldn't have been as down on it yesterday. Full week of championship action this week Coventry beat Middlesbrough. It was top two at the time. Middlesbrough third. They were on four two. They scored too late on. They're 10 points clear Frank Lampard's commentary. Which is amazing. You know it's a long old season. But that is some Lead that they have Chevy United won last night. Big win. They beat Portsmouth 3 nil. Moved out of the relegation zone. But this story is extraordinary. Earlier this week, there was a report that United's owners, CoH had supposedly contacted Sheffield Wednesday's administrators to make an inquiry. The club made a statement the day after this report came out, but interestingly didn't deny they'd made inquiries of a potential merger. So. So we're not totally sure, but, like, is it like. Like local reporters and there are some Sheffield United fans who don't love their owners going, of all the things you could do as the owner of Sheffield United is try and merge with Sheffield Wednesday. Like, it's like, it's insane. Like, it's not like a. Because they're American owners, they're not very present as far as I understand, but it does seem like a sort of a slight lack of local knowledge. And like, what do you say? What do you say? Do you say, I'll tell you what, what they say to Sheffield Wednesday is, we'll take the Sheffield from your name and the United Vermont. How about that? Complete madness.
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Max
It's a bit like the Curtis Jones interview we were talking about. I wasn't quite sure is this real or not, but it sounds like it is. The Curtis Jones interview definitely was real, by the way. I can imagine distant American owners being that ignorant and torn deaf.
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Barry Glendenning
And what colors would they particularly? Red and blue. It's sort of upsetting to even think about it.
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Max
From your shirt and the red stripes.
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Barry Glendenning
The WSL has apologized to spurs for a remark made by influencer G.K. barry. It does sound like a cricketer from the 1940s, doesn't it? G.K. barry during the League cup draw on Tuesday night. The draw for the quarterfinals and semi finals were conducted by GK Barry and her partner, the Portsmouth midfielder Ella Rutherford. As spurs were drawn out, GK Barry shouted, what do you think of Tottenham? And you know, everyone knows that chant. She also pulled a bag, a ball out of the bag and dropped it in by accident and took it out again. Poor old Ted Croaker, they'd be furious about this. You wouldn't get this. An adjudicator from the WSL was present at the draw and is satisfied the process was conducted fairly incorrectly. And it. It's like on one level, Nikki, it is. It's quite funny. A bit like Rod Stewart doing that draw when he was half cut is funny, but it's also. I sat to a couple of heard from Katherine Bat, the journalist yesterday and I did a Show on Talksport. Uma Gad was on there and he was saying, look, you can have fun with a draw, but like, if someone comes on and you want to encourage people, right to the women's game. But GK Barry, Kiddie knows nothing about football, is not taking it seriously at all, and is, yeah, sort of the wrong side of the line was the vibe I got from. Certainly from the Women's Football Expo that I've spoken to.
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Nikki Bandini
I'd agree with that on it being the wrong side of the line. I have like a certain sympathy with GK Barry, who's obviously just been like, offered this game and has been told, just be yourself. Like, no one has told her not to do that, right? They've just said, oh, go and just do it. Be yourself. It's simple. You're just pulling the balls out the bags. It's not a lot to worry about. I don't feel like it's her fault. I don't feel like it's also conceptually like this terrible, terrible idea. If you're trying to expand your audiences into certain demographics, you try to get someone to do something that. I mean, draws are always a jamboree, right? We've had flipping Donald Trump drew the balls once for a. A league cup draw.
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Barry Glendenning
Whatever happened to him?
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Nikki Bandini
Clip a draw? Anyway, so, so, so there's. There's been all sorts of nonsense with. With cup draws in the past and, and. And it's all of it individually I can. I can see. But yeah, it feels like this one. What was really needed is if you're going to do it a little bit more actual conversation about. About taking certain. Not seriously to the point of being po faced. Because again, it's supposed to be a jamboree, but I think there's maybe a little bit not enough was discussed beforehand. But actually this does still need to be a professional process.
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Barry Glendenning
You're probably right. Michael says. Is it a coincidence that Football Weekly's entry into YouTube content is happening at the same time as Barry's running transformation? Yeah. You can now watch these podcasts on YouTube if you'd like to see our grinning faces. How is the running going? Did you. Barry only agreed to this once he'd started his jogging extravaganza. So it's the new slimline Barry Glendenning.
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Max
The new slimline Barragan Denning has actually put on weight since he started running. I think because I'm running pure muscle.
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Nikki Bandini
I'm muscle weighs more than.
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Max
No, I think it's because I'm running. I'm now giving myself permission to eat things I wouldn't have eaten before I started running. Ice creams and chocolate bars and all that. But, you know, that's not a problem. The running is going fine. Did my first uninterrupted 5k on Monday, 37 minutes, 12 seconds, which under 40. I was happy enough with that. And like Pep Guardiola said last week, now, now that I've got, I can whack out three miles without too much trouble and like, without wanting to toot my own horn. That is remarkable because I couldn't run half the length of a football pitch five weeks ago. Anyway, the season starts now. Into proper training. So. Yeah.
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Archie Rintut
Are you going to be going up to a cameraman anytime soon, Barry? Just shouting in his face.
- [58:38]
Max
Well, if there's one following me when I'm out running, certainly, yes. And he'll be getting more than a.
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Barry Glendenning
Bollock if you just got a. Just giving. And write Barry Glenn Denning that you can give some more money to Great Ormond Street.
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Max
Oh, thank you, by the way, to everyone who's donated. It is absolutely astonishing. I don't know whether it's generosity or just people being bastards put me under pressure, but whichever. Thank you.
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Barry Glendenning
Could be pity, you know, Pity.
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Max
I'll take a pity. Money is fine.
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Barry Glendenning
All right, that'll do for today.
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Nikki Bandini
Thanks, everyone.
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Barry Glendenning
Thank you, Archie. Thanks, Max. Thanks, Nikki. Thanks, Baz.
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Max
Thank you.
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Barry Glendenning
From Weekly is produced by Ty Papula and Joel Grove and our executive producer is Phil Maynard. We'll be back on Monday.
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Nikki Bandini
It.