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Max Rushden is joined by Barry Glendenning, George Elek and Sanny Rudravajhala to sift through a bonkers deadline day
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George
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Max
Hello and welcome to the Guardian Football Weekly. The transfer window closed just in time for the one show to start, which was very reasonable yesterday. Mark Gaye's move collapsing is perhaps the most interesting part of it. Does that mean footballers who go on strike have a better chance of getting what they want? Some new Castle fans very unhappy with Alexander Isak, but welcoming Johan Wisse with open arms. Elsewhere, Villa go for Sancho Elliott and Lindenof. Spurs get Moane Man City and Man United by keepers. And finally Chelsea getting an attacking wide man. Facundo buonote. Really? Then to the efl. From Middlesbrough at the top of the championship to Cheltenham at the bottom of League 2. We'll cover it all, but probably won't mention your club. All that plus one brilliant email. And that's today's Guardian Football Weekly. On the panel today, Barry Glendenning. Welcome back.
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Barry Glendenning
Hi, Max. Thanks for welcoming me back.
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Max
That's a pleasure. I think we got enough messages saying, is Barry alive? Has he moved to another podcast?
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Barry Glendenning
Okay. No, I was fine. Just. Just had a week off.
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Max
Fine. Yeah. So, you know, maybe four or five. So you are, you know, you're an integral part of this thing. You should be delighted with that. From not the top 20. George Ellick. Hello.
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George
Hello.
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Max
And the man who was standing outside the Etihad. Or were you inside? Were you Sunny Rudravajala for the whole of Deadline day and Sky Sports News. How are you, sonny?
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George
Hello.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yes, I was in the Academy Stadium, so you can like you overlook the Etihad and it's where the women's and the youth team play. But it's all part of the Same training complex, huge place.
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Barry Glendenning
Did anyone stick a sex toy in your ear?
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Sonny Rudravajala
Do you know what? I brought one but no one even tried to take it off me.
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Max
Where should we start? Well, Jim says, is it recency bias or does this deadline day feel a little more manic than usual? As a podcast, I reckon, George, that we're not like obsessed with the window. It does feel like it's been quite an interesting one.
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George
Yeah, I mean, and that's across I think all leagues. It kind of feels like the age of the transfer saga from back in the day, you know, thinking of the likes of Beckham to Real Madrid, Ronaldo to Real Madrid, the way that now transfers get reported, it's changed quite a lot. Rather than getting kind of daily updates on the back pages, instead you're getting basically minute by minute updates on social media from, from these kind of big transfer accounts. And that I think has changed the way the transfers are often reported. But this time around we've had some proper sagas. Kind of almost feels like a throwback sagas that create rivalries. You know, going back early in the window when you had the Morgan Gibbs White saga between spurs and and Nottingham Forest, the Alexander Isak one, which I think we saw very clearly, the needle between the two clubs before Isak actually moved on, and the Marghe one as well where he know a saga that hasn't necessarily gone through. And then through Championship League one and League two, we've seen a ridiculous window in terms of the money that's being spent by, by clubs who classically wouldn't necessarily have been big spenders. You know, Rexam alone have spent over £30 million that the three promoted clubs from League One have all kind of done that. You're looking at Ipswich breaking the transfer record in the championship on a teenager from Norway like it. And even trickling down to League One and League Two we did on ntt20.com yesterday. Well, throughout the whole window we covered every single transfer as we always do. So every transfer in the FL gets a write up. And then we did a two hour live stream last night and we finished our livestream at 8:30 thinking, well that's an hour and a half after the window closes. I reckon about 100 deals went through after we finished our livestream in the three leagues. Like it's absolutely ridiculous. And Covid seemed to almost put a pause to the craziness of spending as clubs realized they had to cut their cloth. And we were told then football will never be the same again. Well, it's Gone way beyond what it was before COVID and the level of spend now is just absolutely obscene.
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Max
I must immediately go to your write up of Ryan Loft from Cambridge to Bromley on loan. But more of that anon I guess. The most interesting part of yesterday actually Barry, was Mark Gay's deal collapsing. By all accounts, Glasner was furious with Steve Parish that they'd agreed to sell him. Parish had earlier said, look, we'll probably have to sell him this window because otherwise they get no money at the end of his contract. But then Igor Julio decided to go to West Ham, which is the most surprising part of it, when he could have gone to Palace. And so palace pulled the plug on the deal. And I suppose the question that a lot of people are asking and you see every single message on social media is now you know the moral of this story is if you behave like Alexander Isak and you down tools and you go on strike or Johan Whisse, you get what you want. And if you don't and if you're the perfect professional, including scoring like 25 yarders into the top corner, which is not really part of your job remit, you don't get what you want. And so Mark Gaye is still at Crystal Palace.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, well that all hinges on whether or not Marque really, really wanted to go to Liverpool. Marque is going to be fine because he's in the final year of his contract. So I'd imagine he's quite chilled about what happens this season. He's playing for a good team, he's guaranteed his spot in that team as long as he's fit and it will enhance his chances of getting in the England squad for the World Cup. And then at the end of the season, unless he's sold in January, he can do whatever he wants. He'll have no shortage of suitors. He'll get more money, he'll get a massive signing on fee. So I would say Mark would have been happy to go to Liverpool, is probably quite happy to stay at Palace. And then yes, Isaac and Johan Whisser have both behaved appallingly. There is massive resentment for Isaac on Tyneside. I suspect he probably doesn't really care if a load of Newcastle fans don't like him. It will be interesting the next time he has to go and play there. But I, I wouldn't imagine he's too fussed. And the manner in which he went to Liverpool, it's made Newcastle, the Newcastle hierarchy look weak. But I think otherwise they've had quite a good transfer window. But yeah. Behaving badly. But lots of people in football behave badly. Clubs isolate players, put them in the bomb squad, make them come in at, you know, the most inconvenient time. They're illegally allowed to try and get rid of them. It cuts both ways. So obviously you would prefer a player at your club to act professionally, but I get why they spit the dummy and go on strike.
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Max
Yeah. It's interesting, Stanley, what Barry says about Mark Gay, and maybe he is chill about it, but at the same time, football moves so quickly and changes so quickly and I think once you've sort of gone. I don't know how, I don't know if he was there, you know, they'd agreed to do a medical. I'm not sure how far down the line it was, you know, and it is Liverpool like it is. Like there aren't that many clubs where you go, this is happening. I'm not quite so certain that he won't be pretty gutted about all of it.
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Sonny Rudravajala
He doesn't quite strike me as kind of a sliding doors sort of person, though. I mean, because he's been playing for palace and putting in like a huge shift when he didn't necessarily need to. Right. As Barry said, he could have just downed tools. So if he's pragmatic enough to think, well, I'll get in a starting team now every single week and I can put in great performances and we've got a World cup and by the end of it, maybe I can get a free transfer to Real Madrid then. That's a nice way to look at it equally. Yeah, you're right. Going to Liverpool when they've won one deadline day, right, They've won it all already and maybe set up a dynasty and you could be part of that. But I mean, the worst case scenario for him was he goes there and he doesn't get to play every week and then he, you know, he can be the next kind of Jack Grealish sort of marquee English signing who doesn't get to feature every week. So, yeah, unlike the others we've seen where transfers fall apart late and, you know, Nicholas Jackson kind of getting upset and stuff. I think, I think. I think he might be okay. Gay on, On. On having to miss out. Maybe.
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Max
Oh, well, I mean, maybe I'm the only one that's worried about him. Or maybe, you know, maybe you're all right. Maybe he will be totally fine.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Are you haunted by a big move, Max, to a. To a rival podcast that you turned down?
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Max
No, no, I'm Very happy. I'm very happy with the club. I've just signed a new deal. Delighted to be here. I'm not downing tools, refusing to podcast. What do you make of Whistler for 55 million, George? I mean it feels quite a lot, doesn't it? You know, it feels like they've spent all their money on Voltimada and Whistler. Be quite interesting to see how they go.
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George
Yeah, I mean it's always so difficult with transfer fees because as fans we kind of obsess over it and really, you know, and there is definitely a case to be made that if you're trying to progress up the leagues then, you know, if you're trying to go from being a League one club to being a Premier League club, then you have to be successful in terms of your recruitment. That's the way to get there. But at the top end of the Premier League, so long as you're, you know, staying, you know you're not falling foul of psr then does it really matter? Like we've seen clubs be incredibly successful and massively overspend. I saw a stat earlier in the week that Arsenal's record ever sales like £30 million. So you know, it just feels like analyzing spend when you're Newcastle, you know, it's kind of neither here nor there. And the way that the players retain their value now even after, after poor campaigns, the top end means even if he's bad, they'll probably sell him for 40 odd million somewhere. Yeah, I mean I think he's a very good player. He's someone who I'm never overly positive about signing players from, from Brentford and Brighton because for the most part they put your pants down. There are obvious exceptions to that. But as a very well run club, they eek a lot out of players who develop massively. Look at Visa, look at, look at Mbomo who've developed from being championship players for Brentford into, into players who've got these, you know, multi million po. Is there anywhere more for there to progress? But he's versatile, he's good. Voltimanda is a really interesting one. I saw him play a lot in the summer in the under 21s and he's a proper player. Like I've seen a lot of disrespect aimed towards him for the transfer fee. But he's someone who wouldn't surprise me at all if he's the next Isak in terms of being a player who in two or three years every single club in the world is looking to buy and maybe Newcastle Will develop into a club by then who can hold on to him. But I'm excited to see him for sure. And Ivisa, you know, someone who can play off the left, can play up front. Looks like a good person to have in the building. Especially with Callum Wilson having moved on.
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Max
In two to three years, he'll down tools and demand that he can go to Liverpool, Chelsea. It's interesting Sani George mentioning, you know, you can have not great campaigns that still go on for the same amount of money. And Nicholas Jackson's a really good case in point with that, you know, 16 and a half million euro loan fee, 65 million euro obligation to buy the striker Bayern Munich. So that's a deal worth about £70 million. Feels that sort of feels amazing that they've done that.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah, yeah. I remember maybe about a year ago we were talking with Nader Manure on the pod about Jackson being a bit raw and I tried to get to him about, you know, what does he mean by raw? And he had a very nuanced kind of explanation and isn't it amazing? Like when you look at his record and the type of goals he scored before he came to Chelsea, they were all kind of on the shoulder, little tap ins for about three yards out and stuff. There's a lot of that. Anyway, I never really kind of liked him. I was like, you need to, you need to add a bit more to your game. So yeah, the fact they've got that much money for him is quite amazing. I guess the, the, the, the stock that you can hold by being a Chelsea player, you, you're less likely to lose it because you're not playing as much right. You can't, you're not missing as many chances. So you're just in the, you're in an A squad somewhere playing, you know, Europa League or whatever, Conference league and keeping your value that way. I think it's great business what he managed to do there because I don't, I've never really fancied him at all. Of course he's going to go to Germany and score a hatful now. Not as many as I think Rasmus Hojlund, by the way, will get from Man United's Napoli. I think he'll be on the Ballon d' or list next year now. But yeah, Jackson is interesting.
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Max
Chelsea have signed Buona Notte on a season long loan for Brighton Barry and I feel like I can't keep doing the joke about them signing attackers. Like it's sort of, I'm looking at that going how is like, he's a really good player, isn't he? I like him. Well, where's ego? What's. What are they doing?
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, I mean, I saw that one and I had to stop and think because I wasn't sure who owned Buena. Not a. He seems to been all over the place recently. Yeah, I don't know but I mean, we all laughed and giggled and scoffed at the Chelsea ownership's policy of just hoovering up young players, but it seems to reap dividends in this window because they sold an awful lot of them and they got good money for all of them. Lots of them going for 20 million plus, a few going for more than that. And you know, they. They talk about the. The butterfly effect and that. That leem de lap hamstring twang just cause the ripples sent out by that because it. It almost.
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Max
It's a big hamstring, isn't it? To be fair, it is a big hamstring.
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Barry Glendenning
It almost put the kibosh on Nicholas Jackson's move to Germany. And instead of doing that, it has resulted in Sunderland having to send Mark Gu. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right back to Chelsea. So that. Which meant they had to buy Brian Broby from Ajax. So, yeah, just all this stemming from Liam de Lapp pulling up lame the other day.
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Max
All right, so Brian Brobbies at Sunderland Villa have done interesting. Harvey Elliott, Jadon, Sancho, Victor Lindelof, George, run your eyes across those three.
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George
Yeah, interesting. I mean, with Samcho, obviously his stock is incredibly low and any Manchester United fan listening to this will scoff at any possibility that he could be okay. But it's easy to forget that he once was a unbelievable young player for Dortmund and has shown he's clearly incredibly talented. And last season, Aston Villa provided Marcus Rashford with a platform to go and prove a few people wrong who looked really sharp before he got injured at Villa. You know, obviously we'd love to see Sancho improve and do well. There has to be a moment soon where the penny drops and he realizes because he's a, you know, he's a very intelligent footballer and someone who even in the early in his time at Chelsea last season showed what he can do. I think Harvey Elliott is a brilliant signing and someone I'm really excited to see consistently because he combines a quality on the ball and he's such a brilliant playmaker from deep, which I think is a skill of his that's often underrated, whilst also being a big goal threat and Being incredibly tenacious as well. I think he's a player who'll thrive at Villa and it won't be long until I saw, I think that Liverpool have inserted a buyback clause and it wouldn't be a massive surprise to me at all to use that in the future. And in Lindelof, you know someone who's played a lot of football at Premier League level. If buying players from Brentford and Brighton isn't normally a good thing to do, buying players from Manchester United normally is very good because they tend to leave United and then excel. So hopefully Villa fans can look forward to that. But it's been a shocking start to season for them so they've got to find a spot from somewhere.
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Barry Glendenning
You would imagine that if Unai Emery can't sort Jadon Sancho out then no one will.
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Max
Then football is not for him. Poor guy. Tottenham have signed Randal Kolo Moane on a year long loan with no option and no obligation. He was going to go back to Juventus. Philippe says super attitude as well as terrific talent to which I asked Philippe, so why has he gone to Spurs? But they've got quite an interesting forward line now if you look at all the options plus Madison and Kulisiewski when they come back. Sonny, you were at City yesterday with your big Sky Sports microphone. Did you have a nice time?
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Sonny Rudravajala
I suppose I did actually. To contrast with the other club, you know, on the other side of the City, man, City did give us even free food which was lovely in their canteen. They feed all the staff and you know, you've got me on side alone there. Of course I'm an impartial hard headed journalist and you can't win me over with a really nice tomato soup. But it certainly did help this morning as we're recording on Tuesday the 2nd. Edison has officially now signed for Feather and that, that was one of the ones we were waiting on because that now means they, they're allowing Edison to go because they're signing Donna Rummer. That will happen and that's just a matter of a bit of time. And that's the one we were kind of waiting on. That didn't quite come through despite me being there for yeah a good, good 12 hours. Ish, nearly that. But Edison, like one of my colleagues, Adam Bate on Sky Sports has done a big like analysis on him and even like the percentage of passing from goalkeepers from like he came in 2017, 18, 201314 percentage accuracy of Goalkee 51.5% by 2425 it's 68.9. There is a good argument how Edison's really, if not changed English football certainly changed what we think of goalkeepers. You know, maybe change it for the worse as far as the amount of them who can't actually play with their feet versus Edison. But we saw when Pep Guardiola brought in Claudio Bravo for Joe Hart. He was a great shot stopper and that didn't quite work out. And yet he went again to Edison and he wouldn't have been able to play the style of football he could play right without Edison. And it is a bit of a shame that after eight season where he's won, I think, 18 trophies and won everything you can possibly win, he gets like a, you know, a nice little social media post. But, like, just, you know, after the Lord Mayor shows goodbye to Fenerbahce and that's the end I had. I had a sit down with him at the back end of last season and after which he was. He was then dropped from playing. Nothing has anything to do with me, but since then, I did reflect on, like, our conversation. You said, like, over the eight years, how much he's changed. He's got family and kids and, you know, he just enjoys his life now and he doesn't put pressure on his kids to become footballers. He wants them to find joy in playing. And it made me think, like, you know, we. We've all got, well, you know, anyone who's got children and stuff. It does change your outlook on life. Right. And I wonder even little things like, how does that impact your desire to, to play? How does, how does that translate over a period of time? You've won everything and your life is at a completely different stage to where it was when you started. And has that kind of made Guardiola think, right, well, maybe you're not quite as hungry as a. As a young James Trafford. I'm going to get him in. But it is a bit of a shame to see him go because he has been a huge. He has been hugely influential, I think, on English football.
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Max
Yeah. Impacts your desire to sleep, that's for sure. On these goalkeeper situations, there's Donna Rummer and James Trafford then at City, perfectly Cromulent says, does George still think James Trafford is better than Jordan Pickford or is it possibly the worst take of all time?
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George
It's so good, this. I mean, it is amazing how sometimes you say something that doesn't conform with popular opinion and it is held up as being, like, outrageous. Yeah, I do. I mean, this has been misconstrued by A lot of Everton fans for being like Jordan Pickford hate and I, I definitely don't hate Jordan Pickford. In fact I adore him like having been to every single England major tournament for the last decade as an England fan I love him and I'm very aware that he's never put a foot wrong for us and he had an amazing season last season for Everton and I'll be delighted if he's our number one heading to the World cup next year. I do think with Trafford there is, he gets like a weird amount of disrespect basically because as a kid two seasons ago he was played in a terrible Burnley team and wasn't very good. And that for some people is like enough, they've seen enough, he's rubbish and that's it. And it's just not true. Like he's a, he's going to be a world class goalkeeper of that like I'm absolutely convinced. It's a crying shame the man City have decided to bring in Donnarumma ahead of him. Albeit it wouldn't be a massive surprise to me if given Donnaruma's issues with playing out from the back if it's not long before Trafford's back in in Golfer City. I got so many messages from Everton fans and I had to mute my own tweet when he made the mistake against spurs or a couple of mistakes.
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Sonny Rudravajala
But don't cross Everton fans by the way. Just to say do not cross Everton fans. I can tell you that first then.
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George
Yeah, I know. Well, it's Everton fans and Sunderland fans who are still very protective of Jordan Pick as well. But it was, yeah, it was strange. I didn't get any messages when he basically kept hitting the game for the most part against Brighton on Sunday albeit eventually they did lose, made a couple of brilliant saves. So yeah, I think there seems to be a lot of people sleeping on, on Trafford and I think if he was, if he'd gone to Newcastle as was expected to be their number one or if he had, you know, been, if he was trusted by City to, to still be the number one, I think his stock would rise immeasurably through the season. And the idea of him being better than Jordan Pickford come April or May might not be quite as controversial as it was when I, when I tweeted it a couple of weeks ago.
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Barry Glendenning
Interestingly enough, or not as the case maybe Trafford's origin story is kind of similar to Pickford's because Pickford began life in a Sunderland team that was really bad and getting walloped week in, week out. And I think both of them deserve immense credit for coming through that. And, you know, because it could have finished lesser, lesser players off just shipping 4, 5, 6 goals every game, even though, you know most of them aren't your fault. It's, I imagine, quite demoralizing for a very young goalkeeper.
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George
And Jordan Pickford, of course, himself made a few quite big errors with the ball at his feet when he was a young keeper too, and learned from that. And that's, you know, Pickford, someone as a goalkeeper is very good with the ball at his feet. Trafford is a goalkeeper is very good with the ball at his feet. Because they are good players and because they're good footballers and because they take risks. They're the ones who are going to make those mistakes, but you don't see the ones that they get right. And that for me is why, you know, as a shot stop, he's very good. Like Donna Rumor is obviously up there with the best shot stoppers in world football, if not the best. And I'm by no means, I'm by no stretch saying that Trafford is better than him in that regard. But as has been widely reported, it does feel like an unbelievable shift from the philosophy that we tend to see from Manchester City and Pep Guardiola teams to go out and recruit, you know, off the back of recruiting Edison quite clearly for his ability with the ball at his feet, by no means one of the best shot stoppers in the world. To go out and recruit someone who is so different in terms of profile is a bit of a shock.
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Max
All I'm hearing is Jordan Pickford. Hate. That's all I heard in the last two minutes. Magician United have brought in 21 year old Belgian Sene Lammens from Antwerp for an 18 million. As Sanny mentioned, Rasmus Holland's gone to Napoli where, yes, he'll probably score 35 goals. All set up by Scott McTominay this season. Anthony's gone to El Betis for 25 million euros. 70 million down.
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Barry Glendenning
God, that's. That's a huge loss, isn't it?
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Max
Yeah, yeah. They have a 50% sell on in case Anthony goes on to great things. But yeah, that is so that's Anthony. Sancho Hjlund cost man United over 218 million pounds and was sold for 21.6 million and two loan fees. Does seem like bad business. They did make money on Garnacho, of course, who they bought for £400,000 from Atletico Madrid's academy. It sold for 40 million. Arsenal confirmed. Piero Hincapie from Bayer Leverkusen, if I pronounced that correctly. And Zinchenko's gone to Nottingham Forest on loan. Oh, okay. I definitely wouldn't have noticed that if someone hadn't written it down here for me. And actually, while we're on Leverkusen. Oh, the other one, you wouldn't have noticed. And I'm almost annoyed to tell you, Barry is Tarik Lampt. He's gone to Fiorentina.
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Barry Glendenning
Good for him.
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Max
But on Leverkusen, Leverkusen. Ten Hag getting sacked after three games in charge. It seems so brutal, doesn't it? Leverkusen's managing director Simon Rolfs said, this decision was not an easy one for us. Nobody wanted to take this step. The past few weeks have shown that building a new and successful team with this setup is not feasible. We firmly believe in the quality of our team. We'll now do everything we can to take the next steps in our development with a new setup. Erik Ten Hag says this comes as a complete surprise. To part ways with a coach after just two league matches is unprecedented. Many key players who are part of past successes left the squad. Building a new, cohesive team is a careful process that requires both time and trust. A new coach deserves the space to implement his vision, set the standard, shape the squad and leave his mark on the style of play. He said, I started this job with full conviction and energy. Unfortunately, the management was not willing to grant me the time and trust I needed, which I deeply regret. I feel this was never a relationship based on mutual trust. Seems brutal, Barry, doesn't it?
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, it does seem very harsh. Not least because no sooner had he taken the job than they sold five, six, maybe seven key players out from under him, including Jonathan Tag, Granite Jacker. I really didn't want Jacques to leave, but Jacques seemed hell bent on going. The two lads who went to Liverpool, I believe there are others as well. And I, I, I was discussing this with a couple of maids yesterday and we thought, there's got to be more to this. Yeah, that we don't know.
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Max
But also you think of the payoff, don't you think?
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Barry Glendenning
Oh, it's lovely. It's good work if you can get it, isn't it?
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Max
But can't I do two pods and then get £8 million and say, look, I just don't you, we don't trust you, Max.
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Barry Glendenning
The only, the only thing I'd say is those Manchester United players who we just, you know, really bad business who were brought and then sold for A massive loss. Are they all 10 HAG signings? Anthony was Hoyland. Hoyland, yeah.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Just on 10 HAG. Apparently he lost the dressing room before even the first game, which is quite an amazing thing to think of. When I used to talk to him in press conferences and stuff like, it always kind of came across like he didn't quite have that emotional intelligence. And I wondered whether it was something lost in translation. But he's an fluent. He's a natural German speaker as well, so I think it might just be him after all.
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Max
Bad luck, Eric. Anyway, that'll do for part one. Part two, we'll talk about the championship. Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly. Sam from Melbourne writes. Hi, Max. And the Football Weekly crew. Love the pod, especially its balance of football, laughs and the more serious issues. Keep up the awesome work. I'm from Melbourne, but happened to be in London on the night of the live show. I'm trying to convince my partner, who has no interest in football, to attend the show with me. Does sound exactly like I could have written this email. Anyway, do you or Barry have any inspiring words to convince her to attend? Sam, Inspire Sam's better half, please, Barry.
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Barry Glendenning
Well, as far as I can tell, Sam's better half will have her pick of many seats in the top.
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Max
Yes, the top tier is for you.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, she can have the entire top tier, which will be an interesting experience. I expect it to be a fun night. I'm looking forward to it. I did go to a play. I. I have long criticized the theater as an art form on the spot. But there was a play about the Brixton Academy on that I decided to go and see and that was actually quite good. But I did feel myself not theater seats are very comfortable. If you're bored, you can just nod off.
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Max
There we are.
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Barry Glendenning
And Sam's partner may have jet lag, which, you know.
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Max
Yeah. And that's open to anyone who wants to come. If you are bored, you can fall asleep. Probably to Jonathan Wilson, but possibly to me, Barry, Nicky Bandini or Johnny Lou. Tickets can be purchased by going to theguardian.com footballweeklylive come on, let's fill the top tier. Between us, we can shift that extra thousand. You can be a hero. Theguardian.com FootballWeeklyLive Right, the Championship. Middlesbrough top 100% record. West Brom in second, still unbeaten. Stoker in third. Leicester fourth. Coventry, Bristol City, Swansea and Portsmouth. Let's talk about Middlesbrough then, George. And a brilliant start for them.
- [28:49]
George
A brilliant start.
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- [29:40]
George
That probably wasn't really foreseen by many people. The vibes at Middlesbrough were not particularly strong over the course of the summer. They waited till quite late in the summer to sack Michael Carrick, which was a bit of a surprise, albeit he hadn't really delivered on the promise from early in his in his tenure. Rob Edwards came in and there was some doubts about that given what happened last season at Luton. The transfer business took an absolute age to to come off. It looked like Hayden Hackley was going to be leaving for a time and you know, looking mid July. Borough fans were really concerned about how the season was going to start, but they've started incredibly well. They won all four of their games. They've only conceded one goal in those four games against Norwich. They had the bizarre our four nil defeat against Doncaster in the League cup kind of wedged in between all these league wins, but for the most part they look really strong. Tommy Conway started the season up front and is playing very well, leading the line. Well, they've signed a player for Manchester City called Sverda Naipan who is a seemingly a wonder kid who is kind of seen as being one of the brightest talents in world football. As per why City made a move to sign him in the summer and it's seen as a huge coup that Borough have been able to bring him in. He's made a couple of appearances off the bench so far, kind of getting to grips with it, but very excited to see how he gets on. So it's been a great start for them and this season feels to me like it's often the cliche is that the Championship is the most unpredictable league in the world and I mean it's just not true. League 2 is incredibly unpredictable. The Championship, normally the teams who get relegated from The Premier League do very well. The teams who get promoted out of League One, a couple of them normally struggle, and the teams who normally finish mid table normally finish mid table for the most part. Yes, it's less predictable than the Premier League, but that's not saying very much. Whereas this season, it feels like the teams have been relegated out of the Premier League. In Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton look a shadow of the teams that went up and even way off. I mean, it's very early days, we should stress, and obviously they've made signings late in the window that might change this. But they look way off the standard we're used to seeing from relegated Premier League teams. Whereas the teams promoted out of League one in Birmingham and Wrexham in particular, have spent an absolute fortune to try and continue their progress up the league. So for teams like Middlesbrough, Coventry, this feels like a really open championship where it might be time for a changing of the guard. And rather than seeing the same teams going up and down every season, maybe this is the time where we see some clubs who haven't been in the Premier League for a while force their way in.
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Max
So that could be Middlesbrough. I mean, that could be West Brom. Chris says would like to hear your thoughts on Ryan Mason completely changed. The West Brom backline has been a breath of fresh air since coming into the club. They're currently second after three wins in a draw. And sunny they all this talk before the season given who Ryan Mason has learned from I E Mourinho, Conte and Ange, like, what the hell is that? What is Mason ball?
- [32:28]
Barry Glendenning
Well, Max, sorry to cut across this. Anyway, he spent their win over Stoke in the stands because he was suspended. So guessing he learned that from Marino.
- [32:40]
Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah, I think you've got a bit of everything, haven't you? I think what, what he has done is been quite pragmatic to start with with West Brom. I think they've only conceded, I think three goals so far. Funnily enough, like Ipswich have signed most of West Brom's old defense, so he's had a bring in a whole new defense as well. Nat Phillips has had a good start so far. He's benefited from Isaac Price, who's only 21 Northern Irish. He's been there a couple of seasons, having a really good start. I think he's got three goals so far as well. I mean, he's one of those where we were like, well, we don't really know what to expect. Like you say, we don't know what we don't know what he could and I was expecting a bit more, something maybe more expansive but I think that was just my like Premier League coach bias because we so often see coaches who've been set up as a Premier League sides coming in and you know, wanting to keep the ball on the deck. But actually I think he's doing it the right way. He seems to have understood that you can't just go in and say right, we're going to get the ball and play it down and that's all we're going to do. You're going to have to kind of mix it up. But he's, he's been quite lucky in who he's got there as a core already and added pretty well. I mean they've just sold Tom Fellowes now and he was like the classic winger. So I don't know how much that might change the style. But yeah, I've been really impressed so far and I didn't expect them to quite be anywhere near where they are actually. So yeah, good start for Ryan Mason.
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Max
It's interesting, George, you mentioned the relegated clubs because what you have Leicester doing okay, aren't they? Then fourth but Southampton in 30. Of course, you know, a couple of wins changes everything at this stage. And Ipswich in 20th without a win. What, what's happened at Ipswich?
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George
I mean a huge turn of players. If you look at the squad that got promoted out of this league in incredible style with those back to back promotions, it's only really Leif Davis and Wes Burns who are left. I mean George Hurst played a part obviously on loan and you know, whether or not they're a better side now than they were then is, is up for debate. They've got a lot of very good players but it hasn't really clicked yet. What I would say is they were better than the scoreline of a one nil defeat against Preston. That they lost that game because of a penalty and I think Preston only had two shots in the whole game and they applied a lot of pressure and even against Derby, apart from a really poor 10, 15 minute spell in the second half, they were by far the better team then I think we're seeing, even though the results haven't caught up yet, we're seeing this new side being kind of formed into a better team and I'd be really surprised if we don't see them improve too. With Leicester it's kind of the opposite. I thought Leicester had, you know, they were the, they were second best against Charlton and again they won 1 nil due to a moment of individual brilliance from Abdul Fatawu on opening day against Sheffield Wednesday when before Wednesday had a man sent off. They were struggling and toiling to win that game, which they eventually did. But they were brilliant on Friday night against against Birmingham live on sky, where you know Martis Fuentes when He was at QPR, when QPR @ their best under him, they were so good defensively and that was the case here where they took the lead again because of some a moment of brilliance from Fatawu. And after that Birmingham couldn't really get near them. Their defensive shape was so good they couldn't find a way to create any big chances. And that's a Birmingham side who've been really impressive this season. And Saint similarly have just really struggled to look like. Often when teams come down from the Premier League they look cut above and Sampson just absolutely don't look like that right now. So yeah, concerns about all of those should mention Jeremy Monger, the 16 year old winger for Leicester who looks like an unbelievable talent. Just one of these guys where sometimes players burst on the scene in the championship and you basically know straight away that they're not going to be here for long. And he is absolutely one of them. The assist for Pereira's second goal against Birmingham on Friday was magnificent. You can't really believe he's 16 when you see him play. And we've seen Leicester not recruit very heavily over the window despite losing a lot of key players. But given the young talent they've got coming through the academy, you can see.
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Max
Why we've been saying that Glasgow is probably the most the saddest footballing city in the world or in the uk. But Sheffield is giving it a run for its money. Sheffield Wednesday, obviously we know the problems off the pitch. They have a point from their first four games. Sheffield United are doing worse than that and have no points. Ruben Sellers, it is not going well for them. Sonny. What? Can you put your finger on what's happening at Bramble Lane before we find out what's the latest from Hillsborough?
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Sonny Rudravajala
Well, I think what was really telling from the fans was you've probably seen that video that's gone of the. The players coming over to applaud them after another defeat and there's some booze for Sayers and then Sayers walks off right at the end of the video and then there's a, a full stand of applause for the players. I mean they're really not happy with, with what he's doing. And I guess from the outside looking in, it does feel like a Bit he's done the opposite of what Ryan Mason's done, right. He's come in and he's wanted to play his way and he's not had the players to do it. He's brought in quite a few as well. He's managed to keep Gus Harmer, which is a huge caveat there, actually. And someone like Sidi Peck and Callum o', Hare, they've kept that core, but they're just not performing. But again, you know, so often we like it happens in England with England manager all the time. Like whoever the manager is, you replace them with the exact opposite. Right? So there's this. There's this idea that Wild is this old school whatever, even though he's actually not. And then you replace him with. With Sayers, who's this tactico, let's say, for argument's sake, did they need someone of a similar kind of style with the players that Wilder was. Maybe is. Is say, is a bit not quite like that with him. I don't know. It's very hard to put your finger on it.
- [38:03]
Max
I don't know. George, you like. You like. I mean, you think women. Says a great coach, George.
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George
Yeah, well, I think he's definitely a very, very eloquent coach. We've seen the fruits of his labor at Reading where he was like, given the circumstances of Reading, to have them firstly, get over a point, seduction and be safe. And then on the fringes of the playoffs last season, you've got to have something about you for that to be the case. Also, anecdotally, he's apparently incredibly popular with players for the most part, given the way that he manages. And there's also the fact that Cheff United, aside from last season under Chris Wilder, is going through a huge change now and the amount of players they brought in, there aren't actually loads of players kind of carrying on from that. That because of the way that Chris Wilder was sacked, this was always going to be incredibly difficult. Forever cayman after him. And if they got off to a bad start, it was always going to be they were going to come under way more scrutiny and way more pressure than. Than they would do normally. And for that reason, you know, it kind of feels like Ruben Sayers are unhiding to nothing. Even if results improve, he will always be the guy that replaced Chris Wilder. He'll always be the guy that wasn't really wanted. And in my mind, I likened it on our pod yesterday to a night watchman in cricket. I think he's almost just there to. To take the flak during this moment of transition, and then it'll probably be someone else who comes in. But there's no point sacking him now, really, because the club is a bit of a mess and I imagine it wouldn't be a particularly easy job for someone to come into and sort them out. So I feel for him, but he's definitely not the clown that he's being portrayed to be, in my mind at least.
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Max
Shane Warne, the greatest night watchman. He had to go in and face two balls and he was out, stumped for six. Which gives you an idea of his intentions when he went out to the crease. George, what is the latest on Sheffield Wednesday and John Texter saying he might be interested?
- [39:47]
George
Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I think when it comes to defshan Chancery and news about a takeover, you've got to take it with a pinch of salt, because even though the. Well, not a pinch, an absolute boatload. He's made noises that he's looking for a buy and he's willing to sell, but. But there's absolutely no evidence for that to be the case. They were trying to bring in players over the course of deadline day. Some deals were blocked. They brought in a player from Manchester United on loan, but nowhere near what they need. And, yeah, John Texter has kind of publicly disclosed that he's interested. My assumption with that is you probably only personally disclose that you're interested if you're not really getting anywhere privately to try and put some pressure on the seller. And I just have absolutely no faith that Chancery will be true to his word and look to sell. So let's see what happens there. But even though the football started again now and wages are being paid, which is obviously great news, but it's also important because Sheffield Wednesday fans obviously understand the urgency of the situation. I think it's important that as neutrals, we don't now assume that everything's okay, because it absolutely isn't. And we still need to find a way to put the pressure on Chancery to sell to ensure the safeguarding of the football club in the short and long term.
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Max
Sunny, anything from the championship that you want to add?
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Sonny Rudravajala
I think we've kind of covered most of it. I think I've been quite impressed with Wrexham and the business they've done. And the big man up top, he's been doing it, doing the business. His name has just popped out of my head.
- [41:14]
George
Keefer Moore.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Keith and Keefer Moore with a big header on the weekend. Yeah, I think they're going to do okay. And that's despite some skepticism from my part earlier in the season and last season.
- [41:25]
Max
You got your first point, Oxford, this season. Well done.
- [41:27]
George
Yes, thank you. I was. I was there. It was exciting. There were two. There were two games in the championship this weekend that finished 2. 2 where both the third and the fourth goal were direct free kicks.
- [41:37]
Barry Glendenning
Oh, there were brilliant free kicks.
- [41:39]
George
Yeah. There were eight free kicks scored in the championship this season so far. Only 20 in the whole of last season.
- [41:44]
Max
Were they all scored by. Who is it Scott Twine? Who's the guy that scores all the free kicks?
- [41:48]
Barry Glendenning
No, Scott Twine didn't get any of them.
- [41:50]
George
You've got Victor Torp scored a couple. Cameron Brannigan of Oxford. No, there have been so many free kicks. It's Nestori Erankunda. It's got two for Watford.
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Max
Okay. Interesting. Obviously, really, everyone in Australia, any footballer that gets out of Australia, they're very excited.
- [42:06]
George
Yes.
- [42:06]
Max
They generally follow him.
- [42:07]
George
Very fun.
- [42:08]
Max
Yeah, he's a lot of fun. And then Portsmouth, they all go to.
- [42:11]
George
Portsmouth is looking very good as well.
- [42:14]
Max
Yeah, that's where the boat lands. Yes.
- [42:16]
George
Barry.
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Barry Glendenning
Speaking of Portsmouth, Max, Andre Dezelle, son of Culverhouse staple Jason.
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Max
Wow.
- [42:23]
Barry Glendenning
Scored a deflected thunder bastard. For them to be Preston at the weekend, this may be something or nothing, but just ask the boys. I noticed Ipswich, their draw with Derby County. Jack Clark scored an equalizer in the 16th minute of added time. And in the Wrexham Millwall game, there were 19 minutes of added time in that game. Is that a thing in the championship this season or did something happen?
- [42:50]
George
So Danny Ward had a really bad elbow injury. It's actually really nasty if you. If the clip, when you see it, he's in obviously an absolute agony, albeit he had an elbow engine concussion. And then someone videoed him ordering a McDonald's at one of the screens in a service station after the game and was wondering, if you've got a concussion, you probably shouldn't be ordering from a screen in a McDonald's, but that was wide out. That was why that game had a long pause and then I don't know why, it was another injury in the Ipswich game as well, but on Ipswich 1, one other transfer to mention before we move on probably kind of worked. The nicest story, maybe of deadline day was Connor Chaplin returning to Portsmouth. A player who came through at Pompey, had a great time there as a young player who's been a magnificent player for Ipswich getting out of League one and then getting out of the championship. His return. There has been a proper homecoming with Pompey fans absolutely delirious. And not only Connor Chaplin has signed, but also Josh Murphy, their star winger has stayed despite interest, seemingly from Leicester and West Ham. So that's a very good signing. Pompey. Very much a progressive club and a dark horse this season.
- [43:52]
Max
Alright, that'll do for part two. Part three, it'll be League one and League two.
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- [44:55]
Max
Welcome to part three of the Guardian Football Weekly League one, then Cardiff City top, Devonage in second, then Bradford, Barnsley, Doncaster, Huddersfield, Luton and Stockport making up the top eight. I guess Saddy Stevenage, they pop out in that list.
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Sonny Rudravajala
They do with kind of the core of the same players that they've had for a couple of seasons now. Jamie Reed has got five and seven and I think he had a few injuries last season because a couple years ago he got 22 in a league campaign. You still got Carl Piaggiani at the back, the Warrior get up for a big header from a corner. Yeah, I suppose it is a bit of a testament for keeping sticking with your man and seeing how it goes, because, yeah, you look at the lineup and it's more or less exactly the same. I don't know how long it will last though, but yeah, quite amazing. And we're only six games in, so it's a bit hard to say how long it will last. But yeah, I think they've been quite, quite phenomenal. When you think about the teams around them, like, you know, Cardiff and Bradford either side of them, it's quite incredible.
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Max
Yeah, the rest of the top eight seems sort of who you'd expect to be in the top eight, George. Or not.
- [45:56]
George
Yeah, not, maybe not. I mean, again, it feels like it's less predictable than usual. We've seen Bradford and Doncaster, who came up from League two last season, both really impressive. Barnsley, who had a torrid time last season and appointed Conor Harohan as their new manager off the back of a caretaker spell that didn't go particularly well. And I was, you know, they were. It was good to see them kind of a bit of a show of faith in him and looking beyond just the bare results. And they're, you know, now sitting in fourth. Even Cardiff, who they appointed Brian Barry Murphy, who comes with a big reputation after his time at the Manchester City Academy. He was Rud Van Istroyd's assistant manager at Leicester last season, which the kind of less said about that the better maybe, but also did an amazing job in terms of player development, if not results at Rochdale. And it's really interesting there because Cardiff, you know, got rid of a lot. Got rid of a lot of kind of old senior pros. Joe Rules, Andy Renamota, Callum Chambers have got a really good crop of young players in the. The two Colwill brothers, Joel and Reuben Colwill, Keon Ashford and a few others too. And they brought in a guy who's a specialist at developing young talent. And very, very quickly, they looked like one of the best teams, if not the best team in the league. They're on 16 points from six games. They're playing a really good, vibrant style of football. They brought in a player in, Nathan Trott, who is a goalkeeper who's kept five consecutive clean sheets, which is a pretty good way to start life for your. Your new club, making some magnificent saves, especially in the 10 win over Luton a couple of weeks ago. So in a time in an era where, you know, we. We focus so much on recruitment and buying players, I think Cardiff are a reminder that good coaching of good young players can often be the route to success. And it was interesting they played against Plymouth Argyle last weekend, who they were relegated with. Argyle have shipped out loads of players, brought in loads of players and the gap between the two was absolutely vast. On Saturday, Cardiff by far the better team.
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Max
So what you're saying is apart from Cardiff, Stevenage, Bradford, Barnsley and Doncaster, it is who you'd expect in the top five.
- [47:55]
George
Huddersfield and Luton six and seventh.
- [47:57]
Max
Is exactly what I was saying, George.
- [48:00]
Barry Glendenning
Reuben Caldwell wasn't called up to the Whale squad. Was that a surprise?
- [48:05]
George
Really, really surprised. I. I can't really understand why. He is a player who has a lot of talent. I think we often see when. When clubs get relegated out of the championship, it can be the best thing for some of their young players because Reuben Coldwell goes from being a good player in a bad team in the championship who isn't really able to showcase his ability to. To suddenly being one of the best players in a league and is able therefore to flourish. And I've got no doubt that he will return to the championship with Cardiff or with another team next season and show what he's all about. I can't really understand why Bellamy wouldn't call him up. You know, Mark Harris, who plays Roxford, the team I support, who isn't really getting any minutes, gets into the squad, albeit as a slightly more advanced attacking player who, you know, I'm a big fan of, but compare their starts to the season, there's a huge gulf between them. So yeah, very surprised and I, I can't really understand why.
- [48:56]
Max
Sandy. I'm nervous of suggesting the bottom four of League 1 aren't who I'd expect to be the bottom four in League 1. But I. Okay. Port Vale are always sort of down there, but Peterborough bottom, Wickerman, Plymouth, Wickham of, you know, perhaps punched above their weight for a long time. Plymouth who came down. Should we start with Peterborough? I mean they. I know there are problems off the pitch or expectations are low, but they're always sort of, sort of pushing around the playoffs.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah. Yeah. And I guess part of that is because they've got such a, a great scouting network of young players that they're able to promote and, and do quite well. A lot of those and that who then move on. I mean they're managing like about one shot on target a game they did against in the three nil to Exeter. I think it was two against Bradford and another one in the previous defeat to that. So they're really struggling up top. Very worrying for them. I don't know know what else Darren Ferguson can do because you know they are on a lower side of the budget, relatively speaking. Right. The other one as well. But though you mentioned Plymouth Argyle, I think that's a real worry. Like I saw them against Bolton Wanderers and an ex manager who was doing commentary described them as a. As kind of like a 5 a side team. Like they're very good at playing little neat balls in the corner, getting out of tight places but they're like they were offering so little and were completely overrun by Bolton and yeah, we talked briefly was on the other week about Tom cleverly and standing by that screen and things not going well off the pitch. It does seem like they're in a real kind of existential moment of like, what sort of football do we want to play? Do we have the players to do it? They've had such a hodgepodge of managers and styles. And, yeah, you mentioned Wickham. They've just lost Richard Kone as well, which was the. I know he was injured and out of the team and kind of the. The lower league. Isaac, in a way, I suppose, like, he was a move that had been a long time coming. So, yeah, they're going to struggle, too. And, yeah, Port Vale, I think Port Vale, you know, Darren Moore will do his best in the circumstances. But, yeah, worried about those three because for. For different reasons. They all look like they've got real issues to get themselves in a better place. And you see, like, you know, we mentioned with Stevenage, what you can do with a lower budget. You can do really well when it all comes together. But, yeah, seemingly quite a bit of work to do, albeit only six games in. You know, it was only six. You are. You are rubbing it in a bit as the Cambridge man over there, I think.
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Max
Oh, no, I was. I. I said that almost with genuine interest. It's lovely to hear. They're barely getting a shot on target a game. I look forward to leapfrogging them at the end of this season. George, anything else out of League One that is of interest?
- [51:23]
George
I mean, I guess I mentioned for Peterborough, who, you know, people who don't often look at the Ligue 1 table might be surprised to see them routed to the bottom of League one. They had a pretty poor season last season and then lost a host of very good players, so it shouldn't be a massive surprise to see them where they are. They've recruited really heavily to try and rally out of this position where they are at the moment, but I'm pretty concerned about them. I think that's a fair case to be made right now that they're the worst team in Ligue 1 and possibly even the back end of last season, were the worst team in League one too. So I think relegation is a very possible concern for a team that for so long we're punching at the top of Ligue 1.
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Max
I have you down, George, as arguably, possibly one of the most professional panelists we have. But what were you doing for the previous four to five minutes when we were talking about PTP United? That's my question.
- [52:11]
George
I received an email that I had to see.
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Max
Oh, I see. Can you tell us, can you share it with the class or not?
- [52:17]
George
I can see. I thought your face was smiling because I was having a go at Peterborough Which I knew you would enjoy. But alas, it was because I've just missed the whole.
- [52:25]
Max
The whole chat. Peterborough fans will be delighted. They get more time in this pub than they were expected.
- [52:31]
George
Yes.
- [52:33]
Max
So what would be better now is if. If I come to you, Barry, and say any. Any thoughts, Barry? And you could just say, I'm slightly surprised.
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Barry Glendenning
Darren. Mc Anthony, Peterborough chairman Chancer.
- [52:44]
Max
Anyway, let's do league two. Gillingham are top, Chesterfield second. Bromley in third. The playoffs made up of crew, swindon, walsall and Milton Keynes with Cambridge in 10th. Of course. Lots of people messing about. Ryan loft. We talked about Ryan loft a bit too much during the victorious England semi final pod when we beat the Netherlands. I don't know why we got onto Ryan loft, but we did anyway. He's gone from 10th to third because he's not part of our plan, fans. Sani taught me through the top of league two. As George has alluded to when he was concentrating, it is the most unpredictable of the leagues.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, I'll pick up on crew and swindon because I was at that game and I'll let George handle the others because crew were top up until this weekend and swindon turned up and put three past them inside 45 minutes. And on the face of it, actually you're thinking, well, what's happening at crew, who've had a really good start to the season, seen twice already. Lots of, you know, classic crew style. They bring in lots of youngsters. Lots of academy graduates are in that team. And then the players they brought in as well. Tommy o'reilly from aston villa on loan has been very exciting, but they're missing a bit of strength and they were just completely out muscled against Swindon town on the weekend. Who've got. Who've got, you know, I think 13 signings now, Ollie Big Ollie Palmer's the latest from Wrexham. I was sat actually next to Gavin gunning who's the first team coach at swindon town. He was like sat next to me in the. In the press bit and he did not moderate his language whatsoever whilst he was on his little. You know, he's got his little radio down to holloway in the thingy and despite the fact he's got all crew fans around him and he's got a BBC broadcaster with a microphone right next to him and he's dropping the C bomb and the F bomb, he's like, get in there, get in there and hit him. And everyone else around is just like looking at them going, so for that.
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Max
Reason, sorry, is he talking to Ian Holloway like. Or is he standing up and yelling at the players from the stand?
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Sonny Rudravajala
He's got his. He's got his AirPods in and he's got another coach with Holloway in the technical area and he's just like screaming at players which then the coach on the ground is then hearing him getting screamed at to then translate the screaming across over.
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Max
I suppose if you're. It's a bit like you know, one of those Anton Deck scenes where they have to say, you know, call him a C bomb, you know, but like maybe if you don't shout it yourself then the person that you are relaying to shout it doesn't feel like they have to shout it either.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah, exactly. What it did give me an insight into is the people around Ian Holloway are doing a very good job as far as the. Maybe the extra analysis that perhaps you might not think is part of Holloway's remit. You know, and he focuses on motivation as well as, you know, picking a team, whatever. What was also interesting about Swindon was they had a very deep squad now with those 13 signings. Some real like talent to come off the bench and when they did make those changes they were just as strong. So I'm actually quite pleased with him. I was disappointed for Jake Tabor who you remember I called the real life Gary goals with his 127 goals in 97.
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Max
Oh yeah. How's he going?
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Sonny Rudravajala
Well, he didn't make the squad because now Ollie Palmer's there. But he's got EFL trophy games. I think he'll get his chance there. So impressed with Swindon. I think there will be ones to watch now for this coming season now as it progresses.
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Max
George, you with us?
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Sonny Rudravajala
Yeah.
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George
I think crew in Swindon would be there.
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Max
At the bottom, George. Cheltenham up one point. Shrewsbury and Crawley two aon three. Newport Oldham have four points. So yeah over those teams. Only Newport have a win so far this season. That is sad, isn't it George? You haven't got a win in the first six. Who do you. Who do you worry for? You really do.
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George
All of them really. Cheltenham made a couple of quite eye catching signings yesterday. Sam Shearing in particular who was a big player for Northampton when they're promoted at League 2 and a good player for them in League 1 to be fair as well. Who's moved to MK Don hasn't really won worked out at all. Really worried for for Shrewsbury Town. And my, my mate, my hero Michael Appleton who is manager there. It felt like a very bad fit in terms of, you know, for a manager who has excelled at Oxford Lincoln when he's been able to play a certain style with very talented young players and develop them to come into Shrewsbury who don't have the financial muscle to go out and recruit that kind of profile. They're they're really struggling and you know I they look to me to be with a massive in massive danger of the the double drop that we've seen from Carlisle and Forest Green in recent history of getting relegated from League one and then straight back into into the National League. I think Crawley are improving they were were good in their away tool draw against chesterfield squandering a 20 lead I can't remember his name but they're one of their players with one of the worst one one misses you you're ever going to see where he he tried to do a step over and just really bamboozled himself in in the process of doing it rather than than the keeper and yeah a Newport Newport were kind of been written off as relegated before a ball was even kicked this season and and have looked no worse than the other teams towards the bottom aington the team that I I was kind of relatively positive about going into the campaign but yet to get a win albeit three draws from their five games means that you know maybe a difficult team to beat so they look the poorest teams in the league right now but yeah Cheltenham and Shrewsbury probably the two I'm most concerned about at this stage.
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Max
Let's finish with a couple of emails. George says hi Max Barry in the Football Weekly POD Crew. Longtime listener, first time writer. Football Weekly has been a thrice weekly obsession for myself, my close friends since discovering the pod in 2021. My mates and I live in Melbourne, obviously thrilled when we heard that Max was moving to Australia. Since that moment we'd bond over each other's stories of seeing Max riding his bike through Clifton Hill or getting a coffee at standing room in Fitzroy north with young Ian. It's good good cafe. You can only understand our collected elation when my friend Harris and I spotted Max striding through London Fields during Paul's stag last weekend. Hiding our excitement through whispers as to not wake the newest Rushton in pram. That's Willie Rushton. We had a great chat about Melbourne, Subarus and Boz's malapropism regarding green shoots when I messaged him about spurs and he said yes, oh it's an early it's just the beginning but I see green sprouts is what Boz said. Anyway, Paul is marrying the lovely Lizzie at Gilmerton House in Scotland on Saturday. We'd love to have their union solemnized as only Barry can up the pod and all of the legends who grace it. And our ear waves every week, says George. So this is Paul and Lizzie Barry. Do your best.
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Barry Glendenning
Well, just to be clear, he said solemnized.
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Max
Yes, yes, of course.
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Barry Glendenning
I wasn't quite sure.
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Max
Yes, yes. Come on.
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Barry Glendenning
Your enunciation left a lot to be desired there and I'm not sure I could top that.
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Max
Really I was.
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Barry Glendenning
My interest was piqued when I heard they'd come to London for a stag do from Melbourne. I'm thinking go. That's. That's a long way to go just to. To gad about on the beer. I. I remember I had friends who came over for a wedding from Melbourne to London and all concerned left the. The groom, the best man and the ushers all left their suits on a train and had to buy bread.
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Max
Maybe these guys picked them up. It'd be useful if they found them.
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Barry Glendenning
Hopped on the train several years ago would be handy. But yeah, best wishes to Paul and Lizzie. And I can't top solemnize.
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Max
No, that's fine. And no, they were lovely boys and it was nice to chat to you in the park. This is from Ben and this is a great email. Hi, Ben. Hi. Guardian Football Weekly. I thought after your last episode's mention of a listener hallucinating about Barry, you might be interested in my experience from a few years ago. Back in 2022, my partner was asked to go to a conference in New York. The company paid for her flights from London and she was put up in a fancy hotel in Manhattan. So I took the opportunity to fly out and enjoy free room service and give my moral support. I had a lovely week in the Big Apple, seeing all the sights. Had one more idea of something to pass the time while my partner was at her conference. I normally play five a side several times a week, so on the morning before our flight home, I thought it might be fun to try out a pickup game in Manhattan. I took my boots down to a pitch on the Lower east side, fully expecting to show off my refined European football skill to a crowd of American soccer novices. It didn't take me long to realise the game was chock full of outrageously talented prodigies from all over the world. After being turned inside out for an hour by a South American wonderkid, and having barely touched the ball, I finally got a break down the left wing in the dying minutes. Sensing my moment, I barrelled towards the opposition end, executed a perfect Cruyff turn to lose my marker and then crumbled to the floor with a sickening snap snap. As my ankle gave way. I was rushed to hospital and treated for multiple ruptured tendons and a fractured ankle bone. The lovely staff at the hospital handed me over, strapped up and doped up to my furious girlfriend with about 45 minutes to get to JFK airport. Turns out hospitals in America are much more generous with their opioids than in the uk. I was absolutely off my tits. I was loaded onto the plane and lay across my still furious girlfriend's lap at the back of the plane, still in my sweaty football kit. The night before, I downloaded an episode of the Guardian Football Weekly to listen to on the flight. Clearly something had gone wrong as the audio file got stuck repeating the same couple of seconds of Barry indignantly saying, well, Max, I don't know, over and over again. I was too out of it to figure out how to stop it or fix it, so instead lay there hazily staring up at my girlfriend's furious face while Barry berated me for the entirety of the seven hour flight. I can safely say it was the most psychologically disturbing experience of my life. Anyway, Jude and I got very happily married last month with both fans of the pod. Although she, in fairness, does prefer Faye and the gang's excellent work on the women's show. So clearly we're doing something right. If Barry felt like giving us his blessing, that would be either delightful or deeply upsetting, depending on my potential Pavlovian response to his voice. Keep up the good work and thanks for the always excellent content. All the best, Ben. There you are, Ben. About seven hours of you just going. I don't know.
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Barry Glendenning
That is brutal. I'm guessing he got a whack and grape bill from that hospital as well. It sounds very expensive. I wouldn't imagine those opioids come cheap in an American hospital. So yeah, good luck paying that bill and happy marriage. They're already married. Yeah. So they're already married. Yeah. I wish you wouldn't spring these on me, Max. I can't do them justice.
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Max
I'm sorry. Sorry, but okay.
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Barry Glendenning
I think he's heard enough from me.
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Max
I think you're probably right. I think most people have. And that'll do for today. Thanks everybody. Thank you, Sani.
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Sonny Rudravajala
Thank you. And hey, I didn't get it with sky, but breaking news. Gianluigi Donarama has signed for Manchester City 26 million five year deal and will wear shirt number 99.
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Max
Thank you, George.
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George
Thank you.
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Max
Thanks, Baz.
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Barry Glendenning
Thank you.
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Max
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