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Farewell Ange Postecoglou and Slot slip continues at Anfield – Football Weekly podcast
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Max Rushden is joined by Barry Glendenning, John Brewin and Seb Hutchinson as Manchester United win at Anfield for the first time in almost a decade.
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Max Rushden
This is the Guardian.
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Max Rushden
Hi, pod fans.
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John Brewin
Hello.
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Barry Glendenning
Just like my work, Max.
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Max Rushden
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Barry Glendenning
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Max Rushden
Hello and welcome to the Guardian Football Weekly, one of those rare podcasts which Manchester United fans will actually want to listen to. A win at Anfield for the first time in almost a decade. Harry Maguire the hero, heading home late on. Could this be the turning point? Four defeats in a row now for Liverpool. They could have won this game. Cody Gakpo kept hitting the woodwork, but the woodwork famously isn't on target. And the mini crisis continues. Big Ange is sacked after 39 days at the City ground. Chelsea really tried to give Forest the lead, but another defeat and the conspicuous departure of Marinakis from his business class seat meant the end as Sean Dyche is poised. Also today at a cracker at Selhurst Park. On the one hand, Mateta scored a hat trick, on the other, he ballooned one over for the win in the 99th minute. Arsenal win one of those narrow these are the games that win you titles. Matches at Fulham while Erling Haaland propels City into second. Spurs could have ended the weekend second but lose to two brilliant goals from Aston Villa. That Matty cash pass. And then there's Sunderland going seventh. Danny Welbeck fine winding it. And a real ball stage ball at Turf Moor from Loom Shauna. All that plus your questions. And that's today's Guardian Football Weekly. On the panel today, Barry Glendenning. Hello.
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Barry Glendenning
Hi, Max.
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Max Rushden
Welcome. John Bruin.
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Seb Hutchinson
Hello, Max.
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Max Rushden
And good morning. Seb Hutchinson.
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John Brewin
Good morning, Max.
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Max Rushden
Steven says no question. I just wanted to say it's nice as a Manchester United fan to actually look forward to the pod after Liverpool away two wins in a row for the first time in the league for Ruben Amarim, their first away win since March, their first win at Anfield in almost a decade. It is John and you are a Manchester United man. Just a huge result for him and for United and for the guy with the hair and for all Manchester United fans.
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Seb Hutchinson
It feels good. Yeah. There's no doubt about that. I hate this fixture. I've always hated this fixture. It is torture to watch and it was torture towards the end as well because obviously where Liverpool equalize and you think that they're going to win in the way that they have done a few times this season and have done that fixture before. But United saw it out and then it becomes a great fixture and, you know, really enjoyable. And I was thinking last time I watched that United win that it was a Rooney goal. It was Louis Van Hal. I watched it in the company of Guardian Football Weekly alumni Paul Doyle, who. Hi, Paul, if you're listening.
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Max Rushden
Yeah, hi, Paul.
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Seb Hutchinson
We miss you. Yeah. Great man. A great man. Were at Stoke City together. So the a glamour. We were a glamorous fixture of the day. And that was a long time ago, let's put it that way. And this felt. And when you actually think of all the differences between Manchester United then and now, there are so many changes and so many false dawns and Liverpool have been great almost the whole time since then. That's not to say Manchester United were particularly great in this game, but they did play very well in the first half. But they got it done against a team who are having problems. Problems that we'll probably go into. There was a point in the second half when Casimiro, who played really, really well but obviously cannot do 90 minutes anymore. That's fair. Let's be fair. Goes off and they started falling apart. And the thing is, Liverpool changed the tactics and went to this 4, 2, 4 formation and this is it. Slots the gambler now, isn't he? He just chucks everything at it. That does resemble that point when managers completely lose the Run of themselves and just throw everything at it. I'm reminded, a Irish friend of mine reminded me of when Ireland beat the Dutch in 2001 when they had Hasselbank, Van Nistel, Roy, you know, Roy Mackay and you know, just every, every possible Dutch striker of the last 50 years up front. And it felt like Liverpool did that. And the things about Ruben Amarim, his refusal to change his tactics meant that Liverpool were getting at them. But one of his tactics is Harry Maguire, the resurrection man of Manchester United. Now let's give some props to Harry Maguire because there is a guy that has taken so much stick over the years and you know, become the Internet piss, take mean, whatever you want to call it for years upon years. And he stuck around. He wanted to stay at Manchester United. He actually speaks as someone who wants to do well for, for Manchester United. He always came out and gave these interviews that were, you know, fronted up for which Roy Keane actually was. It was often very dismissive of him. But he came through on a big game and you know, if you score the winner at Anfield for Manchester United, the scouse busting they used to call it in the 1980s, he'd become a hero. So well done. Harry Maguire. Remember last season actually he missed one in the last minute so he must have thought his chance to be that guy had gone. But he is that guy now. And credit to Manchester United. I had a big smile on my face for the first time watching that fixture in a decade, which is great.
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John Brewin
Yeah.
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Max Rushden
Manchester United only two points off water. I mean, in previous weeks we have talked about green shoots or as my friend Mark Bosnich said, green sprouts. And there are some more here, like especially down, especially down the right hand side said, which is.
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John Brewin
What's the difference? What's the difference?
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Max Rushden
Well, green sprouts are just green sprouts. They don't mean things are growing, are they? They've already grown.
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Seb Hutchinson
But greens do sprout.
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Max Rushden
That's true. Well, well, that is true. But good point. Now you make it anyway down the right hand side. You know Ahmad and Buema. We saw after a minute, right, that we saw that was good against Sunderland. It was good again yesterday.
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John Brewin
Yeah. And I think Brian and Boomer, we look at all the transfer business that's been done by all the clubs and the money that's been spent. I actually think Manchester United's transfer business in the attacking areas was arguably the best of any club. I think Kunya and a boomer players who are going to score goals in the Premier League. I mean it's not happened for Cunha as much as he would have liked, but I think he's has that quality. And I believe Benjamin Shesco, when you look at the whole striker market, he is seen as a project striker. He's a player when you look at it and you think the only thing I feel he's missing is that edge to his game, that edge that say Haaland has. Weirdly, the edge that Joker is has in the mentality of going in for a 5050 and showing and using his frame. He does seem a bit passive in that but he has the technical side. I think he has the physical attributes to do that. Brian Mbumo to finish that chance with his weaker foot and he falls into that category. He's a rare, say 3.5 pronunciation player. And by that I mean there's, and I've done it myself, there's three ways I've said his name over the course of his career. The 0.5 is for the native pronunciation that no one can ever nail. But the three I've had in Buemo, I've had Mbu Mo, I've had Mbomo. I think there's another actually. But there's something in there and for a player who scored that many goals, you thought, thought we'd have nailed it by now, but we haven't quite got there. And he's a player also that you think players bounce off him. Even van Dijk in a couple of moments was a bit unsure about. Should I go toe to toe with him because he has that big backside, he has that big back, he can block players off. I mean, I used to have it a little bit myself. No, sorry to go off on a tangent as I usually do.
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Max Rushden
Of course, yeah, you know, we have.
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John Brewin
To have one of those.
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Max Rushden
Got a lot to get through. Seb.
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John Brewin
Yeah, sorry, yeah. Just going back to what we're talking about, Manchester United winning. I, I think they take a lot of credit from this because the mentality as well. My favorite moment of the game in some respects was Casemiro's wild challenge just before he came off because he knew he was coming off and it's that.
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Seb Hutchinson
Free hit that free.
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John Brewin
He looked across Agarte's coming on. I'm going for this. I'm never going to get there. He was miles off it but he went in for the challenge and they had to have that concentration because I think against Liverpool, you know, the waves are coming. Whoever you are, whatever form they're in, they're always going to score goals. And they're on this run now. It's 42 straight games in which they found the net. But this time, just like the last three matches, the opposition responds because the game is so open, it's so wild. That's the biggest concern for Liverpool I think going forward.
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Max Rushden
Before we go to those concerns, big Sir Jim Barry specifically mentioned when saying amerin had his three years that Arteta took a while and it was 35th game in charge. A win against Chelsea, that was a turning point. And this was Amarim's 35th game in charge. And I suppose we can't read too much into it unless we forward wind a year or two or three but. And I don't know how significant it is because we don't know really how good Manchester United are. But I think, I think for him it's probably his biggest win as their manager, isn't it?
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Barry Glendenning
Oh, without question. Yeah. Winning at Anfield is really difficult. United, they, they had to ride their luck a little bit but I think they deserve to win. It was a very chaotic game, very entertaining for, for me as a neutral. And you're dead right. You can't read too much into it from a United perspective until we see, you know, let's see how they get on and get against Brighton next weekend. But it's certainly a step in the right direction. I think tellingly, that first goal, that's the goal Amarim wants United to score. You know, that's what his setup, that is the goal they're supposed to score. Coming in from one of the, the wings and are playing it out wide, coming in and finishing it really knock Liverpool out of their stride. And I guess United were helped by the fact that Virgil van Dijk was uncharacteristically terrible and Mo Salah had another bad game in a match where I think quite a lot of us thought ah, he'll get a goal here, he'll play well here because he always does against Manchester United. But it was another bad day at the office for Mo. But yeah, hats off to, to United and I agree with John but huge props for Harry Maguire.
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Max Rushden
Yeah, I mean meanwhile John, I mean Cody Gakpo almost scored two brilliant goals as well as the one he did score. And then Mr. Sitter later on Salah skewed that one wide. Ekatike put one more. I mean on another day. Liverpool win this comfortably, do they? I mean I'm, I'm just trying to work out they didn't. I know the result is the result and that's how we view it and it's four losses in a row. First time in about 11 years that's happened to Liverpool. It's under Brendan Rogers. So there are. There are definitely problems.
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Seb Hutchinson
Don't if they'd win it comfortably because nothing is coming off that easily for them is it. It's those chances are chances they're playing with a level of anxiety that we didn't see last season. And a part of it is that it's a different scene. It's a different team with. I mean there's obvious stresses involved there. And we should mention the. The jotter thing that I know some people get annoyed by. But you cannot dismiss. But to move it on to the actual football element of things. It is that he's trying to overhaul the team and he's playing. It's say Florin Verts is on the bench now. Actually I thought Florin Vert came on and looked quite good and is a very effective player. When they dropped him a bit deeper and he's given space by Manchester United's refusal to play. Any different tactics and he looked fine. But there are so many players are sort of scratching around. Even Gakpo. I mean he's a player that Liverpool fans haven't particularly taken to even though he seems to be.
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John Brewin
He's. He.
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Seb Hutchinson
He's productive in that he scored a few goals. But there's a lot of misses go on there. And then you've got. I mean Salah. I mean this guy. There is a theory out there that Liverpool are playing. Are building a team for when a Salah isn't there. We're just having to play Salah in it at the moment.
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Barry Glendenning
Right.
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Seb Hutchinson
Which is which. And he's sort of watching. It's almost watching the team. That's going to be when he's. He's you know playing in Saudi Arabia. What. Whatever comes next to him. And the defense. Virgil van Dijk. Yeah. Remember this cool guy that we used to know. This sort of like chilled out breezy and oh this is so easy for me. Look at this. The face on this guy throughout that game. The rage in Virgil van Dijk's face as he's looking at other defenders going what? Why haven't you? Not why have you? Why are you there? And just he looked angry and he looked stressed.
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John Brewin
John, can I touch on that? Do you remember the bit where the cross came in and van Dijk cleared it into Kirkus's face. Slapped him in the face and he was still angry at Kirkus. Why is your head.
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Seb Hutchinson
Why Are you there? What are you doing there? And it's. You're not. You. You are not supposed to be there. This is not what we do here. And yeah, I mean it's like there was afterwards slot talked about. I mean slot was. This is a good thing. We. We didn't see this last season because we didn't. We didn't. There was no need for it. Slop is a ball is a poor loser, isn't he?
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Max Rushden
Oh, you know, he was such all so many cliches. It's like every manager in League one and League two just says, well, they just get. They just knock it long and that is very hard to defend.
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Seb Hutchinson
They're just long balls and all that. It's like, mate, I don't know if you watch the Premier League in the last year and a half. I mean this is what. What happens. And actually that wasn't a long ball performance. You weren't watching Dave Bassett. I mean, come on, man. But yeah, there is this sudden. Maybe it's a Dutch thing of, you know, they're good winners but they're bad losers. And listen, there is that point isn't that you'll never see a. A good loser be a good winner. That's the thing. And so. But Liverpool just every little bit is grinding. It's not working. And it feels like a team that is a champion team and won the league very well last season. Yeah. Four. Four losses in a row. Crisis club. You know, it doesn't. It feels a long time since we've seen Liverpool on that level of angst. Which shows you what a good job Jurgen Klopp did.
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Max Rushden
Yeah.
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Seb Hutchinson
And he showed you what a good job slot did. And now it's anger. Yeah.
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Max Rushden
Andre Frankfurt away on Wednesday. Brentford away palace at home. So not. Not impossible, but not simple, you know. And you know, also worth mentioning that Isaac hasn't, you know, hit the ground running.
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Seb Hutchinson
I mean, where was this guy? Well, there was one shot, wasn't there? There was a sort of grubber that the goalie United with a goalie. What a difference that makes.
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Max Rushden
Nice to see Sir Alex and Sir Kenny eating chocolate buttons as well. That was a. That was a nice touch, wasn't it? Anyway, look, we've got a lot to get through. Tommy says, my thoughts are with Max and the rest of Australia at this difficult time. Candid says, admit it, you want Marinakis on the touchline. Forest Nil. Chelsea 3. Ange Postecoglou Sacked about 20 minutes after the final whistle. He was in charge for eight games. No wins 39 days, five Premier League games, the shortest in Premier League history. Les Reed's 41 Days at Charlton looked impossible to beat. Sam Allardyce did 30 days for Leeds, but he was brought in to see them to the end of the season, so doesn't quite count. And this amazing theater about Marinakis, you know, filling the screen in that seat and then cutting back to the seat and there's nobody there. And it's, you know, it is thumbs down far, Ange. I mean, it does. Seb. It's such an amazing descent from how good Forest were last year under Nuno to getting rid of him, bringing in a completely different manager with a completely different style, with no time to train the players, him not doing a good job. And now they're where they are. It's sort of quite extraordinary. You can't predict this.
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John Brewin
No, no. I've been on a few Forest podcasts. They had this feeling, and I've probably done these podcasts for the last three years. And when they came into the Premier League, obviously the feeling was just stay up. And then they went on this run that had them in the mix for Champions League football. And once you go on a run like that, the whole feeling of the club changes. I think Aston Villa have been through it recently as well. Once you're in that mix, you don't want to drop out. And for the owner, for somebody who already has a Champions League club, he's used to seeing them in that competition and in his head he's thinking, well, Forest are where they should be. And then that has overtaken his belief on where they should go. And Nuno style was working for a period, the back end of the season. They almost stuttered over the line and they almost missed out on Europe entirely or on the competitions they wanted to be in. And they had the back route way in to the Europa League. And you felt the tensions at the back of last season, the moment Nuno was let go and postecoglou came in from that very moment, press conference, I think it was the Forest supporters were not behind him at all because they'd seen the template in their eyes, football fans, templates of how they view things are often quite short. And they would have looked at the last year under spurs and they thought, what are we doing? Why are we going down this route? Why are we choosing this man? And he didn't have them on side from the start and that created a problem for him. I did their second game against Swansea and I have to say I don't think I saw in the entire 39 days Ange Postecoglou smile during a match. It was a constant angry shake of the head for full 90 minutes. And when you look at some of the games they played in that run, of course they played Arsenal first, but you look at some of the opponents, I mean, even Forest from two seasons ago would have backed themselves to beat some of those sides that they faced. I mean, the Michelin one was particularly bad because they responded, went behind again. And when your own fans are chanting against you, early doors singing chants that you feel only the opposition would sing, but the Forest supporters are singing it. I haven't seen many Forest supporters who are almost upset about it. They're almost like, well, we knew this was going to happen. This was obviously going to happen. Marinaki, sort it out.
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Max Rushden
Yeah, I mean, it does feel a bit like this game, in a way, is a sort of microcosm of Ange's time at Forest. Barry, in that he has been a bit unlucky. Like they were never going to score in this game. They had, like, they could have been 4 nil up. Chelsea kept passing the ball and even when they're losing, Nico Williams has that chance. And then is it Igor Jesus managed to sort of hit the bar and post and bar and post like a pinball machine. And then you think back to the Swansea game, where there's no way two Swansea players strike the ball that beautifully within 10 seconds of each other. For that winner, like, it was just like he needed something to go in off his backside, Ange. And it never did and he was just, for whatever reason, screwed.
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Barry Glendenning
I think we all had a fair idea it wasn't going to work out for him at Forest because he definitely needs a preseason with the players to impart his ideas. Forest were decent in the first half here, but they were largely good because Chelsea made them look good. I think Chelsea just kept giving them the ball and despite all this charity, they couldn't score. Then Moresco made changes at halftime, brought on Kaisedo, Gissens and Giu, and that made a huge difference. Obviously Kaiser is probably Chelsea's best player and they go two up. Marinakis leaves his seat very pointedly and I. I genuinely thought he might go down to the touchline and sack, sack big Ange on the spot, like mid, mid second half. But he didn't. He spared him that humiliation and had the good grace to leave until 20 minutes after the final whistle. The thing is, I look at Marinakis and let be charitable, he's an eccentric and volatile Character and you think, God, you'd have to be mad to work for him. And then, well, maybe you'd have to be mad not to work for him because Ange presumably leaves the City ground with a big lorry load of cash payoff. And I don't think his reputation has been particularly damaged by this short spell at Forrest.
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Max Rushden
Do you think? Do you think?
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Barry Glendenning
I think everyone seems to have their view of Ange and I don't think anyone, anything he has done or not done here at Forest has, has, is going to change anyone's mind one way or the other.
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Max Rushden
True, I guess, John. I guess it means taking this job means he doesn't get another Premier League job, whereas if he doesn't take this one, there is one there. So maybe it doesn't change because this is the one. But if he'd waited, I think Barry's alluded to don't take this job. If he'd waited, he might have got a better chance at a different club coming in in a different, you know, don't follow the guy that everyone loves and then try and change everything when you've got no time on the training ground.
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Seb Hutchinson
Yeah, you could see him washing up at Wolves or something like that, but that isn't going to happen now with.
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Max Rushden
With all, with all due, respectable Wolves.
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Seb Hutchinson
Are a club who can be trigger happy, let's put it that way. So that's, I, I, I can't actually see the Wolves fans taking to that either. You know, as Barry said, actually I watched the first half of this game and thought they're playing quite well. And, and the thing is with, with Ange Ball, it's quite exciting to watch and yet it's difficult to take to when the team ends up losing every game. So that's, that's, that's what, and that's what sullied his reputation, isn't it? You, the, the stats of his Premier League form are absolutely awful. You know, like real relegation form. It is such a, an oddity. You know, he's, he's banked to payoffs, he's banked to Europa League. What follows next? I mean, Seb mentioned that, you know, the lack of a smile. We saw it, didn't we? That picture of him leaving the ground with that young girl, young girl fan with this big grin on his face.
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Max Rushden
In his big car, weighed down with leather holdalls of cash.
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Seb Hutchinson
It's funny, I hadn't because I was, I was at Brighton getting ready for the Brighton game and, and the, when Barry's message came in on our WhatsApp group, saying, oh, he's left this seat. So I said this to everyone that we were obs. Oh, he's left his seat. Everyone's, oh, oh, you know, we all know what's gonna happen. But it turns out he just got in his car and I was wondering what sort of car Marinakis has, because remember, Club chairman. It always used to be a Rolls Royce, didn't it?
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Max Rushden
Yeah, yeah. Or Jag or Jack.
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Seb Hutchinson
What is it now? What. What's the. What's the car of the day?
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Barry Glendenning
You know, I'm going to say bulletproof Hummer, matte black.
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Seb Hutchinson
Some sort of oversized Lexus. Yeah, yeah, something like that.
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John Brewin
So, sorry, Max, I've just. I've just got this. John just gave me this image of Ange is like a horseshoe crab, just sort of drifting towards, like, Mosley Old hall or something, like just outside Wolverhampton. There he is for his final Premier League job.
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Max Rushden
Oh, dear.
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Barry Glendenning
It was a great moment towards the end of this game when a note was sent onto the pitch for Rhys James. And Rhys James read it and gave various people instructions. And he had this folded piece of paper in his hand and he. He didn't know what to do with it and he spent, I'm not exaggerating, I would say, three or four minutes with this notion, he said. And he was trying to.
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Max Rushden
Just looking for the recycling bin.
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John Brewin
I think he was looking. I think he's looking for Mallo Gusto.
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Seb Hutchinson
Just.
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Max Rushden
I don't.
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John Brewin
Not another red.
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Barry Glendenning
He didn't want to roll it up and throw it on the pitch, either because he's anti litter or in case a Forest player picked it up and read whatever was on it. And he eventually stuck it in his sock, which is what I was willing him to do as I watched it. Just put it in your sock. Put it in your sock. And then about 10 seconds later, whacked in Chelsea's third goal. Having got rid of this anxiety over what to do with this unwanted piece.
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Max Rushden
Of paper, Sean Dyche is the favorite to take over at Forest. Reports that they are in advanced talks and they'd already been in talks, so could be appointed today. So, you know, welcome back to the Premier League, Sean Dyche. And that'll do for part one. Part two, we'll begin at Selhurst Park. Hi, Pod fans.
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Max Rushden (Ad Segment)
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Barry Glendenning
Just like my work, Max.
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Max Rushden
Yes, Absolutely. When you're growing a business, it doesn't.
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Yeah.
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Max Rushden
Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly. Dom says. So my Californian son is traveling around Europe, decided to go to his first ever Premier League game yesterday. Big moment. He was going to go to Fulham, Arsenal changed his mind, went down to South London for the palace game. Imagine that being your first live game you ever saw. I told him he may never see another like that. He's still in shock. Yeah. So Barry and Mateta, hat trick, a penalty equalizer the 97th minute. But he balloons that one over the 99th and you're not quite sure if he had a good game.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, he scored a hat trick. I said to you yesterday, upon being handed the match ball, he should have just handed it straight back because he should have had two hat tricks, Max. He missed two chances in the first half. He missed that absolute scissor. The best chance he had all afternoon to win the game. Deep, deep. In added time, after scoring the equalizer from the spot, he was. I've never seen a man look so unhappy to score a hat trick. It was quite, quite the afternoon for all Jean Philippe. But this was a brilliant, brilliant game of football. I really, really enjoyed it. Bomber went two up, palace got back, Bournemouth went ahead again. You thought, oh, that's it. And then an absolutely stupid foul by Diaquise on Marquet to give away the penal from which palace equalized. I think Iriola wasn't happy with it.
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Max Rushden
But yeah, I mean, I suppose they always feel weird.
- [28:34]
Barry Glendenning
To me the only thing you could argue is that, yeah, they're not always given but this one was. And you can't complain about it. Just an outstanding game between two really, really good teams.
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Max Rushden
That hat trick comes off the back of his first goal for France and Wilfrid Zaha getting very annoyed that Mateta remembered a time when a few palace players laughed that he wouldn't make the French side. So quite legitimately, I think at the time, given who was playing up front for France 10 years ago or whenever it was probably not quite 10 years ago. Meanwhile, a young Frenchman, Eli Crupe, 19, his first start in the league, two goals. He looks so happy. I mean, perhaps he's in the dressing room being laughed at by Alex Scott and Ryan Christie that he said he's going to play up front for France and they're like, have you seen him bape. But he looks so happy. Didn't he? To score those goals?
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Seb Hutchinson
He did, he did. I was chatting someone over the weekend and. And they were telling me that in the world of the transfer market there's this new phenomenon which is. Agents are now saying that their players have. Bournemouth and Brighton have been looking at them to try and increase the price of them for other.
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Max Rushden
Oh, really?
- [29:37]
Seb Hutchinson
Yeah. Which is, you know. Oh, well, you know, bro, because. Because they have this, you know, this laser focused scouting system. So everybody. Oh, what, they must be good if they're looking at them. And I think they were brightly some sort of random Ukrainian last week and everyone starts to never heard of them and start sending their attention to him. Yeah. What a. Find another. Another sore loser. Which probably points for him to being a success in the future. Iriola, I mean, wasn't a loser. He drew obviously, but he didn't look very happy after that one, did he? It got away from them. Mateta at the Olympics, he was a bit of a star man in that, wasn't he? So he's a. He's a really a good player to watch because. But he is one of those where that's almost like defines his career is he could score an absolute hatful and he can miss him too. And that's it. And his teammates are well aware of this. I think that. I think that's possibly the point. Okay, let's do an advert for our league here. I think that when teams play in the style of how Crystal palace and Bournemouth do and I saw this at Brighton Newcastle, it's so relentless. And Seb will know this from being in the commentary box. It must be really hard because these players are just. They go from it from the start and they're just throwing themselves around and chances are created and just. Maybe we could do a pod where we watch a game from 1997 or something and watch how games would just start off with like, sort of nothing happening and just, you know, it's like.
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Max Rushden
People just lolling about, thinking about, yeah, chatting away.
- [31:18]
Seb Hutchinson
I was the missus. Yeah, she's all right. And then just off you go. And it is relentless.
- [31:24]
Barry Glendenning
And.
- [31:25]
Seb Hutchinson
And when two teams that their style of play is to do that, what happens is that it is not possible for the human being to play that long. And so often by the end of the game is chaos. Now, that's terrible for someone like me that often has to file at full time because the last 20 minutes are just absolute bedlam. And, yeah, that's. That's what that game was. Brilliant. Brilliant.
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Max Rushden
Yeah. And sometimes. Sometimes you think it's on you. You've put it on accidentally on 1.5 speed. You're just like, this is going too fast, isn't it? Oliver Glassner confirmed Mark Gay will leave in the summer ahead of the game. And we did get to hear Jared Gillett's voice. I think we've heard it already. And he stood by his decision. He went to the monitor and stood by his call, which is so rare. That sort of. It made me feel slightly euphoric.
- [32:13]
Seb Hutchinson
Supposedly, Mike Dean was celebrating.
- [32:15]
Barry Glendenning
Yes, he was.
- [32:17]
John Brewin
Yeah.
- [32:18]
Barry Glendenning
He gave us, like, arms in the air. He was so happy, really.
- [32:24]
Max Rushden
That's his. That's his Paul Merson love bites and everything. That's it. You know, there's been a VR VAR review. Not overturned Mike Dean. And he's like, yes.
- [32:35]
Barry Glendenning
It's interesting because a few years ago, before Jared Gillette came over to England to work in the Championship, a clip did the rounds of him explaining some decision to play. It was just a compilation of his interactions with players during a game in the A League. And everyone was pointing to this, you know, look at this brilliant Australian referee. This is why England needs to import foreign referees, because he's so much better than anything we have. But then he came to the championship and got promotions to the Premier League. And it would be fair to say he has made some extremely controversial decisions, got things wrong. He's also got a lot right. I don't want to get stuck into him. He got this one right, but he's been a controversial video assistant. He's been a controversial reference and I think prove positive that the grass is not always greener down under or on the other side or wherever you like. You know, foreign referees are also fallible.
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Max Rushden
I think he's pretty good as it goes. That's my complete Australia.
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John Brewin
Yeah.
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Max Rushden
Yeah. Rob says. Will this be the funniest season for Arsenal to finish second three points clear at the top? Another game this season where we say something like, they wouldn't have won this last year. Fulham were good. They had chances. But Seb, it's another clean sheet. It's another win for Arsenal. Their best start to a season defensively in their history. Three goals conceded in 11 games, which is incredible.
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John Brewin
Yeah, I mean, I was going to say death by a thousand corners, but actually Arteta made a really good point after the game. The way Arsenal play, they forced so many set pieces. They had quite a few poor corners during that match. Some of the deliveries. They were trying to mix things up, trying different things. I'd also heard somewhere needs to be checked that this season of players who have had the more than three long throws in. In a match, Jurian Timber has had the longest throw right. But we haven't really seen Arsenal make use of that, for example. But they produce so many set pieces because of the way they play. They force teams back. They even did it to Manchester City. They have a structure. It really unnerves the opposition, which makes them think we can't engage them. I think in previous seasons they've had trouble against what people might say is a mid block or a team that would be slightly higher up. They don't have that problem anymore. Their main issue is maybe trying to break down low blocks now, but because of players. Califiori, just watching him during a match is fascinating. I mean, he is an incredible athlete and he gets himself in positions players shouldn't be. There was a disallowed goal in this that would have been up there for one of the goals of the season. So good, glorious moment. But you felt, I know he's offside. I don't know if I would have given it the biggin at the time because I just felt he was offside and they had chances. Yokaris had a couple of chances that he probably would have wanted to do better with. And Fulham didn't have a shot on target even though they got themselves into areas. I don't. I'm getting a lot of feeling From Arsenal of Chelsea 04.05. Seeing a lot of those teams.
- [35:40]
Max Rushden
So for me and Barry. Did Chelsea win the league at 04.05? I couldn't possibly remember. Okay.
- [35:44]
John Brewin
In 04.05, Mourinho's first season, Chelsea conceded hardly any goals. They were really difficult to get through. They nicked a lot of games. 1 nil. Their only defeat that season was a 1 nil defeat to Manchester City, which I think ironically, Anelka scored in. They are. When you come up against teams like that, it is tough because sometimes just one goal will do it. Now, Arsenal's main issue is, I still think, in attacking areas and whether they create enough chances to, to, to put games out of sight. But as a base, they're in the strongest position they've been in for, well, we can say for 20 years, if I got my maths right, you know.
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Max Rushden
Seventh goal from a corner this season. Gabriel is so good, I mean, in both boxes, isn't he? And also Barry. They deserve some praise for how their new signings have integrated pretty well. You know, we look at Liverpool and we're saying it's hard for them, it's a new team, whereas Arsenal's. And they haven't changed as much, obviously, but they've just brought in an extra person here and there who looked really good. And you've got to have so much hope. I mean, I reckon it'd be panicked hope if you're an Arsenal fan.
- [36:52]
Barry Glendenning
I think I'd be quite calm at the moment. I mean, there's so many things that could go wrong for them and there's such a long way to go when you've got that defensive base and you're not conceding goals. That's such a great foundation to have. So just scoring one is enough. And Fulham gave them plenty to think about on Saturday evening, but they, they got the job done. Seb often talks about, you know, teams who, who want to stay up winning those three o' clock games on a Saturday that aren't on tv. They're the important ones. This was like one of those games, except it wasn't at 3:00', clock, it was on TV.
- [37:34]
Max Rushden
Yeah, that's right.
- [37:34]
Barry Glendenning
And Arsenal are trying to avoid relegation. They're trying to win the league, but it's a similar kind of thing, just minimum of fuss. Job done. And what's next for us? Most Arsenal fans of my acquaintance are not losing the run of themselves. They're not getting too excited, but I think they are quietly confident. But they're, they're bound to have a blip at some stage. And Arsenal, they, they may. Arsenal Things up, who knows?
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Max Rushden
They may and Man City may capitalize, I guess. For the third season his career, Erling Haaland has reached double figures in eight Premier League games. 11 in the league already, 23 for club and country this season he scored twice against Everton. And what was interesting actually, Seb, I don't know if you saw this. Michael Richard on Match of the Day kind of broke down defensively how Everton defended both goals and he basically said they defended both goals absolutely perfectly. It's just early. It's just Erlinghaland's really good.
- [38:35]
John Brewin
I mean I would say absolutely perfectly because the end result. But yeah, I agree. I feel like it's time to stop being shy about this. I genuinely don't think there's been a striker like him that I can think of because he is one of those players where I look at, I don't really see a weakness. I mean and the weak things that have been applied to him as weaknesses are actually more about the way Manchester City play. I've seen his link up play. I think it's top class sometimes. He can, he can actually run with the ball, he can dribble past players. We don't get to see that too much. But I've seen him do it. He's amazing in the air. He's so quick. He's. His mentality is, you know, to, to tell another manager to stay humble I think is a level of mentality and arrogance and confidence in, in how you feel everything's going. When he was asked about how he was going to do when he arrived in the Premier League, he just said, well, I had confidence about that. I was going to score the goals. He hit the ground running as a signing. Even though he was seen as a hot prospect still, he just took to the Premier League like it was nothing. He was bullying defenders. He can deal with the physical side. I would like somebody to give me somebody who is similar to him and don't say Mateta. And he's racked up enough seasons now to start to have this hyperbole because I think a lot's going to depend on obviously if he stays at Manchester City, what their future is, regards to the charges, whenever that happens. If he stays at Manchester City and he's able to be there for a long time, I have absolutely no doubt he'll break Shearer's record. I just think we've never seen a striker like this in profile where his career ends up, let's see, in terms of number of goals and if he has an injury But I can't think of anybody. I mean, help me out.
- [40:11]
Barry Glendenning
I would compare him to Mateta insofar as he scored two goals here and should have got several more. Jordan Pickford. So put a stop to his gallop. Denied him at least two more, if not three.
- [40:23]
Max Rushden
Yeah, I mean, he does, but they're also like, aesthetically, he looks different, you know, he is. You know, like when he leaps for a header, you know, it does look like a comic. You know, it's like there's something quite incredible about. About him. The Spurs, Villa, Villa. One, two, one. A game, John, where either side could have won this and it was settled by two brilliant Villa goals. You know, Thomas Frank afterwards, like, well, you know, I'd have said, yeah, go and have a shot. That's fine. They were their only shots on target. And the second goal, it's like one touch from Cash is beautiful. Two touches from Dina are perfect. And then three from Buendia and it's in the net. It's an amazing goal.
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Seb Hutchinson
Yeah. I mean, you would say on another day, that pass of the weekend was Bruno Fernandes's, but Matty Cash's is out of the absolute. You know, if that's on a highlights reel of Zinedine Zidane, you'd say, oh, yeah, that's. That's what that guy does. I mean, it was absolutely insane quality. And Buendia, you know, showed his real quality, yet. Villa crisis. Club Villa. I think one of the last times I was on his pod, it was, oh, it's all going wrong. Dan was like, oh, you know, what. What if. What if, you know, leaves, you know, and all this type of thing. And.
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Barry Glendenning
And.
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Seb Hutchinson
They have always had, despite some complaints from their fans about not being able to recruit, they've always had a good squad, they've always had a good manager. They just needed to reset themselves a little bit with Tottenham. It's an interesting question. It's one that I've seen raised a few places about how the Tottenham stadium is too nice a place to play. And I believe this was raised at the press conference on Friday. And Thomas Frank dealt with it in his usual diplomatic way, is that it's nice when you go there and the opposition are like, oh, the dressing room's nice. And the. The. It is not the atmosphere of the ground because everyone's just too comfortable there. And it's. It's, you know, you. I went there the other week to Tottenham, Doncaster. I mean, some friends from up north and just did the. Did the whole fan thing because you know, sometimes do actually pay to go to football. Yeah, it was too nice. You could sit and have a beer and a bagel, you know, and all this. And it was like. Yeah, and it's not White Hart Lane, which used to have. When that went off, you know, was absolutely. You know, the crowd would get right on the opposition. Are these new stadiums, do they provide, what, the colour that the Premier League sort of thrives off? Really? I'm not sure.
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Max Rushden
How do you change it? I mean, what do you do? I mean, just sort of leave a dirty protest in the away dressing room? Like, how do we, you know, go full John Beck and like make it boiling hot in winter?
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Seb Hutchinson
Like, how do they do the crazy gang thing where you've just got like this ghetto blast of pumping out, you know? Yeah, that's an interesting thing. Yeah. I'm not sure the dirty process would.
- [43:18]
Max Rushden
I mean, you just need to win five in a row at home, don't you? That's what you need to do and make it a fortune.
- [43:23]
Seb Hutchinson
Yeah, yeah, you do. And, and, and also, let's be fair to Tottenham in they are missing something in the connection between the front players and midfield. It's Xavi Simmons. It's not quite working out just yet. They are missing James Madison, will miss him for most of the season. They're missing Gudusevsky, maybe when those players return. Or Kulasevsky. His return is mysterious. The spurs might have a bit more of a spark, but they're a little bit boring to watch. But it could have gone to either team. Let's be fair about that.
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Max Rushden
Yeah, a Morgan Rodgers goal. Because Wendy is. Because I think about the thing about the Matty Cash passes. You know, we spend so much time analyzing football matches and we sort of forget. We don't talk about just the art of kicking a football. And, you know, Matty Cash, I mean, he's a perfectly decent Premier League right back, right? But like, if he can kick the ball that well, like these guys can really kick the ball well, it sounds like such a dumb, obvious bit of analysis, but, God, they're good at kicking this, like, and, and like, we should praise them. We've all kicked a ball. We've all tried to kick a ball with your laces like that. And that is something else, the way he's done that. So well done, all these players for being good at kicking the ball. Now, on Thursday, Aston Villa said the city's Safety Advisory Group decided that fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv should not be permitted to attend the Europa League Fixture on 6 November over safety concerns. West Midlands police said it had classified the fixture as high risk based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including, quote, violent clashes and hate crime offenses between Ajax and Maccabee fans before a game in Amsterdam in November 2024. Four more than 60 people were arrested over the violence, which city officials described as a toxic combination of anti Semitism, hooliganism and anger. Ten of those arrests were Maccabee fans. The government has then since said they're doing everything in our power not Football Weekly Spouse, in the government's power to overturn the ban. No one should be stopped from watching a football game simply because of who they are, a government spokesperson said in a statement on their website, Villa said the club are in continuous dialogue with Maccabee Tel Aviv and the local authorities throughout this ongoing process. With the safety of supporters attending the match and the safety of local residents at the forefront of any decision. It's become a political mess. Politicians on both sides of the debate, the Prime Minister, the Leader of Opposition, both saying that Maccabee fans should go. From what I've read, and I've read a lot, my understanding, Barry, is that this isn't a debate about Israel's actions in Gaza, that is a separate one. And a debate about whether Maccabee or any other side from Israel club team should be playing in European competitions or the national team should be playing is a different debate. So then the debate should be, should Maccabee fans be allowed because of the hooligan element within their supporter base that has nothing to do with their ethnicity, Fans are regularly banned from attending matches. So do the actions of Maccabee fans in previous games warrant being banned from going to Villa? That seems to be the question to which I don't have the answer.
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Barry Glendenning
I suppose you could argue that West Midland Police could do more to facilitate these traveling fans than and make more of an effort rather than just decide to ban them. But they are working, as you say, on information they've got from Interpol about the past actions of these fans. What the problem, it seems to be is the way it's been framed in the House of Commons by the Prime Minister, by the Leader of the Opposition, by Robert Jenrick, who came up with this recollection of his days going to the away end at Villa with his dad during the 80s, a time that was really toxic and unpleasant in English football. And he. He portrayed this racism and hooliganism of that time as, you know, just banter between chums. So that's nonsense. But Labour and the Tories have framed this as if the police are stopping Maccabee Tel Aviv fans from coming because they can't ensure their safety. That's extremely disingenuous and it's difficult to imagine these people would have got involved at all if the team in question was just to pluck a random couple of teams out of thin air. Fiorentina or Lejea, Warsaw or who. It's. It's purely because they come from Israel. And they also said that banning a set of fans from attending a football match would set a dangerous precedent. But it wouldn't because it happens all the time. Hooligans from European clubs are often banned from traveling and I don't see the harm in it.
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John Brewin
Hello.
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Max Rushden
We should point out there are others who agree with the government and the opposition's take that this is some form of discrimination. Bernie Ronnie wrote a piece at the Weekend disagreeing with the decision to ban Macabee Television fans. You can find that on the Guardian website. And that'll do for part two. Part three. We'll begin at the Stadium of Light. Hi, POD fans.
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Barry Glendenning
Just like my work, Max.
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Yes, absolutely. When you're growing a business, it doesn't.
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Barry Glendenning
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Max Rushden
Of the Guardian Football Weekly. Sunderland 2, Wolves Nil. You were worried ahead of this game. Barry Sunderland had quite a few injuries. Nothing to worry about. 7th after 8 games. 10 points from 4 home games. Some good football. A funny own goal. Everything you want.
- [50:17]
Barry Glendenning
Yeah, it was quite comfortable win for Sundel in the end. I was worried because of the mounting injury mini crisis but the players I was worried about were able to play in this game so that was okay. One of them, Mukiele scored an excellent goal and Wolves did threaten to get back in the game. They had a few good chances how Gomez in particular missed one and Robin Roos made a good save from Manetzi. Sunderland finish the game panic free because of the comedy own goal from Ladislav Krety who diverted a a hopeful cross past his own hopefully wrong footed goalkeeper. Worrying times for Wolves I think. Is it Burnley they have next?
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Max Rushden
Yeah, they play Burnley next in the league. Yeah.
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John Brewin
What time is that game?
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Barry Glendenning
I don't.
- [51:13]
Max Rushden
That can't be.
- [51:13]
Barry Glendenning
It has the whiff of three o' clock on a Saturday about. Yeah, you're really getting into must win territory for Wolves now. But this was another very impressive win for Sunderland in a game I thought they would possibly struggle in. And what a job Regis Labri is doing up on we side.
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Max Rushden
It's.
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Barry Glendenning
He's been. He doesn't seem to get the same amount of plaudits as Oliver Glassner and Andy IRO or even Fabian Herzler but I think he's.
- [51:46]
Max Rushden
Well not yet.
- [51:47]
Barry Glendenning
He's getting there. He will be soon.
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Max Rushden
2Pm Sunday by the way which in many ways is the new 3pm Saturday.
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John Brewin
Oh no. Am I doing that game?
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Max Rushden
I don't have your diary. Seb. Sorry John. You were at the Amex for Brighton 2 Newcastle 1. You got to experience the fun flicks of big old Voltimada and the eternal Danny Welbeck.
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Seb Hutchinson
Yeah.
- [52:10]
Max Rushden
Who is like from Cocoon. He's in Cocoon isn't he? That's what he is.
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Seb Hutchinson
He is a much better player than he was as a 22 year old that I used to watch at Old Trafford who. Who was prone to missing chances and could be quite frustrating. But he's one of football's good guys, isn't he? He's a really nice chap. Cast aside. I think his contract ran down at Watford. Taken on by Brighton five years later. He is. I mean this is it with Brighton. When you actually look at how young the rest of the players are in the team apart from James Milner of course and Lewis Dunk You. You've got this. They had to. That midfielder Bilaba and IARI are playing against the Newcastle midfield which. Which is generally agreed is among the best if not the best in. In the Premier League. When. When on song Belabor and Iari took them apart. Really. I mean really, really good players. But they get tired and then it's like you've got the older old guards holding the team together. Dunk at the back. And then Duncan Volta Marder was a good clash. You know Volta is great to watch. Go and watch him if you can. He's superb. Such skills and you know and he just. It really lifts the fans. He's great to watch. And. And then Danny Welbeck. That first goal. It's a beauty, isn't it? You know just like people describe it as a dink. My match reporter described it as a D. He just sort of just pokes at it and it sort of. And then the second finish, you know. Ball for. It's a little unlucky because Dan Byrne puts in a fine tackle. He strokes it at home. Words actually for another young player. Minte who actually was a Newcastle player.
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Max Rushden
Yeah. It was a PSR sale, wasn't he?
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Seb Hutchinson
Yeah. He is so quick. So quick. And Dan Byrne had a pretty bad afternoon against him. And yeah you actually look at those BSR sales. Elliot Anderson England regular Minte is Brighton's. You know they don't miss Mitoma when he's in the team because he is that out ball. Brighton are great to watch. They can be a little fragile because of the youth in the team. That's what will happen when you gamble so much or not gamble. You play so much faith in young players. But they're another of those teams where it's warp speed stuff and at the end of the game there's always too much stuff happening for someone in my profession.
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Max Rushden
Yeah just say slow down Minta.
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John Brewin
Yeah.
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Max Rushden
The ball from Iari to Vifa in the lead up to the Welbeck goal is such a brilliant passing. And Brian have already beaten Newcastle, Chelsea and City this season drawn with Spurs. So you know they have overcome a pretty tricky start to the season.
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Seb Hutchinson
Their only wins are over Champions League opposition. Which shows you the ceiling that they've got. And then the sort of selection, you know it's interesting it he's a. An interesting manager. It's difficult to know where his. His ceiling is.
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Max Rushden
Burnley 2 leads nil. I mean the cross from Carl Walker for the first goal is great. But the second goal, Barry is such a joy, isn't it.
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Barry Glendenning
It's one of those goals where a player gets the ball in a pocket of space outside the penalty area, doesn't really know what to do next because he doesn't really have any options, and then decides, ah, I might as well just whack it, see what happens. And this is what happened to Loom Chuma player I must confess I wasn't too familiar with. He wasn't closed down by the Leeds defenders and had a look around not. Not really much open on for me here and then just pinged a rocket into the top corner. Have that Carl Darlow and a wonderful goal. I said to you yesterday, Max, in January, this game at Turf Moore, Burnley, Leeds in the Championship was the worst game of football I have ever seen by some distance. And this one was way better. But it was still last on Match of the Day, so make of that what you will, but Leeds should have done better here. They had way more shots, way more touches in the opposition box. All the stats were in their favor except the only stat that matters and they missed. Just missed too many chances.
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Max Rushden
Nicholas says, I listened to the Premier League preview from last week. I'm a Burnley fan excited from some searing insight on the battle at the bottom. We got the manager's names rhyme. You then had the audacity to call part three any other business. God knows what that must be about. Someone texted Matt McNally got in touch to say McLeish vs Dalglish in 2012, which isn't bad. Someone did text me on Talksport to say Guardiola versus Iriola. Love the fact that we missed that, but did get Steve Tilson versus Danny Wilson in League One in 2009. We'll cover West Ham Brentford on Wednesday's pod after the Champions League whilst recording Sean Dyche has reached a verbal agreement. It's my job to take it. That's a verbal agreement to be Boris.
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Seb Hutchinson
Boss, I'm due to what I'm going to the Bournemouth game at the weekend. I mean, it's Bournemouth Forest. It just feels like I spend a lot of time listening to Jean Dyche and I thought those days were over, but I thought he was headed back to the championship. But no, no, Max.
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John Brewin
John John mentioned earlier about sort of being confused as a commentator. I think the game I'm doing tonight, it's really got my brain working because you have Nuno, who's in charge, doing his first home game as West Ham manager. He's taking on Brentford, who he already played this season for his only win was Against Brentford under Nuno game, which was Brentford's opening game of the season. And sometimes these I think, I think I feel like I've been there before. I've seen these two managers on the touchline. It's a different team. But then Nuno's second game, he lost to West Ham. So he's already played West Ham as a manager this season. He's already played Brentford as a manager this season. And now tonight, I don't even know how to begin with this one. I think I've written it down.
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Max Rushden
Well, you confused me already.
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John Brewin
That's the plan.
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Max Rushden
It's, you know, it's one. It's a sort of, you know, we've had a busy weekend. You can have one eye on that. I mean, you probably need to read it more than one since you're commentating, but might be a one eye job for me.
- [58:18]
Barry Glendenning
Well done.
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Max Rushden
To Reyes Cleary of Barnsley, who scored from 60 yards in their tour draw with Bradford. Brilliant. Brilliant goal. I mean, absolutely perfect. Jim says. Is Barry aware the head of FIFA and the entire 1966 England World cup squad have donated to his half marathon fundraiser? Yes. Jenny M. Fantino. 2 pound 50 plus 63p gift aid and the team of 66 have donated 19 pounds and 66p. And this one says Max Rushton 22 hours ago.
- [58:45]
Barry Glendenning
Hi, everyone.
- [58:46]
Max Rushden
Max here. Barry's here too. I can't stop the VAR chat, but I can donate the minimum amount. Annoyingly, it's much more than I was hoping to give. £2 plus 50p. I'm yet to officially give you a donation.
- [58:57]
Barry Glendenning
At one point on Saturday, Max, I was the leading fundraiser for next year's London Landmarks Half Marathon and I have our listeners to thank for that. So it's a huge amount of pressure I'm under now. I went running on Saturday. It was horrific and. But thank you, everyone. I'm genuinely in awe of your generosity. Barry Glendenning. Just giving. By the way, I forgot to mention that Great Orner Street, a children's charity, very worthy cause.
- [59:31]
Max Rushden
We didn't have time to get into the fact that in the WhatsApp group, John Bruin admitted he had never seen Jurassic Park.
- [59:38]
Seb Hutchinson
Unbelievable.
- [59:39]
Max Rushden
Of a generation.
- [59:40]
Seb Hutchinson
I was at the. How old was I at the time? I was probably 17 or 18 when that came out. I mean, come on. What?
- [59:47]
Barry Glendenning
I have a friend who's never seen Back to the Future.
- [59:49]
Seb Hutchinson
I saw that. Yeah, I've never seen Back to the Future. Two or three.
- [59:53]
Barry Glendenning
Oh, they're very good.
- [59:54]
Max Rushden
Oh, they're all well, three struggles a little, but two is an absolute classic. There is no time for this. What do you mean?
- [60:02]
Seb Hutchinson
It was a time of.
- [60:03]
John Brewin
This is the.
- [60:03]
Max Rushden
This is the gold, people.
- [60:04]
Seb Hutchinson
Like, it was a time of Reservoir Dogs and Bad Lieutenant and all that.
- [60:09]
Max Rushden
It was just, just, just. Just fade them down.
- [60:13]
John Brewin
Coventry played well. Coventry.
- [60:16]
Max Rushden
Yeah, we have no. No time for any of this. Thanks, Barry.
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Barry Glendenning
Thank you.
- [60:20]
Max Rushden
Thank you, Seb.
- [60:20]
Barry Glendenning
Thank you.
- [60:21]
Max Rushden
Cheers, Jon.
- [60:22]
Seb Hutchinson
Cheers.
- [60:23]
Max Rushden
Football Weekly is produced by Joel Grove. Our executive producer is Danielle Stevens.
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Max Rushden (Ad Segment)
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Max Rushden
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