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Martinelli to Arsenal’s rescue and Liverpool move five points clear – Football Weekly
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Max Rushden is joined by Barry Glendenning, John Brewin and Dan Bardell as Arsenal rescue a late point against Manchester City and a win in the Merseyside derby means Liverpool maintain their 100% start to the season
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Dan Bardell
This is the Guardian.
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Barry Glendenning
Hi, POD fans of America.
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Max Rushden
Max here. Barry's here too.
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Jonathan Wilson
Hello.
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Max Rushden
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Barry Glendenning
Like maybe a football journalist, Barry. Although not like you.
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Baz
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Barry Glendenning
Hello and welcome to the Guardian Football Weekly.
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Max Rushden
What a week for Gabrielle Martin.
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Barry Glendenning
Two exquisite touches in injury time and a point for Arsenal when it looked like they'd never score against Gianluigi Donarumma and the assorted 25 centre backs that Pep ended up putting in front of him. Earlier, Erling Haaland had done some, leaving defenders in his wake. But perhaps the biggest beneficiaries of it all are Liverpool. They are five from five. Ryan Gravenberch at the heart of things with a brilliant finish and a glorious assist.
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Max Rushden
Lots of fun in the rain at Old Trafford. Red Cards goals and a real feel of rolling subs in a Vets game with changes happening all the time.
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Barry Glendenning
But a big win for Ruben Amarim.
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Max Rushden
Is it over for Graham Potter? It feels that way Although it's felt.
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Barry Glendenning
That way since he got the West Ham job. They lose to Palace.
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Max Rushden
Wolves have naught points after a great.
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Barry Glendenning
Win for Leeds at Molyneux.
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Max Rushden
Thomas Frank hails Spurs best performance of the season in getting a point at Brighton. And what's this?
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Barry Glendenning
Another goal of the season contender from Ethan Pinnock. Baz has his say. Also today, Villa aren't good. Dan Bardell is sad.
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Max Rushden
There's some Russian history and some US motorway pedantry.
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Barry Glendenning
Your questions, and that's today's Guardian Football Weekly.
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Max Rushden
On the panel today, Barry Glendenning.
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Barry Glendenning
Welcome.
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Baz
Hi, Max.
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Barry Glendenning
Hello. John Bruin.
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Jonathan Wilson
Hello, Max.
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Barry Glendenning
Hi, Dan Bardell.
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Dan Bardell
A sad hello from me, Max.
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Baz
Yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
Although, you know, a sad brummy. It sounds good. Sadness sounds good in brummy, Dan.
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Dan Bardell
I would say, yeah, it's just normal, isn't it? But people probably won't notice much difference to normal behavior.
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Barry Glendenning
Well, you'll be pleased to know it's not. It's not high up the running order, your draw with Sunderland, but we'll get to it. We'll begin at the Emirates. Arsenal one man, City one. We're recording on Sunday night. So that Martinelli goal, John, it was about an hour ago and what I mean, it's just. I love a goal that takes a long time to go in. I mean there was Zinchenko's own goal yesterday, which was similar in how long it took, perhaps not as high quality, but this finish was absolutely beautiful.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yes, and it provided a denouement to a game that looked to be escaping from Arsenal for reasons of what we'd acc Mikel Arteterov of being chicken hearted in his tactics, of being one dimensional, of deciding that rugby was the best form of attack and defense. And yet this is the, this is. He's been talking this week about using rugby tactics, you know, like in the Rugby World cup. You'll see the bomb squad come on for South Africa. You'll see like five grippers, all 22 stone that will be sent on to just smash through the New Zealand pack or whatever. Well, Milk Arteta is doing this in football and what that involves is leaving Eberichi Eze on the bench until half time. Now Pep Guardiola, by contrast, is I think is becoming the more traditional football man. And this is why Donna Rumma's in the team. Big players win big matches and Erling Haaland is one of those big players who was also his team's best defender in the game, whereas Arteta is trying to mix it up and be too clever by half in the end both approaches sort of got what they want out of that game. I think Pep seemed pretty happy. They was talking about fatigue. Arsenal have quality within the squad. Of course. Martinelli's goal shows that. Why don't we see enough of it? Why were they playing Tranmere rovers football for 89 minutes? And then you have this moment of almost Michael Thomas esque inspiration. We want to see more from Arsenal. That's what I want.
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Barry Glendenning
It's very harsh on John Aldridge, Pat Nevin and Chris Malkin there. But I mean, the thing about that goal is. I know what you mean, John. You know that phrase. This goal came from nowhere. It was like Barry. There was just no way. Like the way City were defending and they did have so many enormous people on the pitch. I mean, John mentioned rugby players coming on. It was like Pep did that too. And Donna Rummer just punched. It was like he got more power every time a corner came in, he'd punch it and grow another foot, like there was no way Arsenal were going to score in this game.
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Baz
Well, Manchester City, I'm not familiar with today. It was Manchester City who were happy to let their opponents have the ball, who scored on one counterattack and from then on more or less relied on Jeremy Daku and Erling Howland to try and pick another one off on the brake. And then they park the bus, basically. And that. I haven't seen City do that before. They might have done it before, but I don't remember it. And it was working for them. Arsenal kind of ran out of ideas after about before the first half had ended even. They'd kind of run out of ideas. And then they perked up a bit for the last 10 minutes of the first half and I thought, oh, this is going to be dangerous for Arteta, because what they were trying to do clearly wasn't working. But now they've. They've played well for the final seven or eight minutes of the first half, so maybe he'll decide everything's okay after all and he won't make any changes. But he did make changes and he deserves credit for making those changes. But like John, I'm. I'm baffled by the fact that is A didn't start the game. His midfield, you know, what was the Subamende, Rice and Marino. Not much creativity in there, is there, really. And then as the clock went past 90 minutes, I'm sort of preparing my moan, I suppose, although it doesn't really affect me. But just how Arsenal had failed their second test, big test of the season, out of Two tests, but they didn't fail it in the end because of that Martinelli moment of magic. I give him a C plus, nothing more really. B minus, C plus maybe. And usually, like you say, we're recording more or less straight after the game, usually it have a night to sleep on it and decide, you know, how good a result that is for arson. Obviously it's a good point because it looked like they were going to come away empty handed, but I think if I was an Arsenal fan and after I've had a while to ruminate on that, I. I'd be a bit disappointed with the approach.
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Barry Glendenning
Have you done enough ruminating?
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Dan Bardell
Yeah, I think it's a pretty big point for Arsenal just in terms of. Actually around a year ago they played City and I think it was two. Two John Stern scored in stoppage time and that felt like a really pivotal moment in Arsenal season, even though it was pretty early in the season. And I actually think that game really, really deflated them and was actually a big moment in their title challenge that didn't last very long. And I think, you know, the stakes always seem so high in Arsenal games. Like they've got no room for error at all because previously they've been up against Manchester City and last season that they're up against Liverpool and they're both fantastic teams who win a lot of games. So even if Arsenal draw a game, it feels like a disaster to Arsenal and if they lose, then I don't know what the next rung is, down from a disaster or up from a disaster, but it feels like it's that if they lose. So to come back and be the ones that kind of get that point rather than be the ones that chuck it away like they did this time last year. I actually think that's a. That's a pretty big moment for us, Arsenal in their season. And I think Baz said about the. Or John said about, you know, they've lost to Liverpool a few weeks ago in, in their big game, this was the, the next biggest game. I think to have lost both of them already would have really changed the narrative around their season. So I think what the point does, it salvages a bit of that for me. So I think it's a really good point for Arsenal and I thought it was tough to play against Manchester City in the, in the way they operated today. I thought it really was.
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Barry Glendenning
So you're going at what, a B plus?
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Dan Bardell
Yeah. Results wise, I'd say a B plus, maybe. Performance wise, it'll be less than that. But in terms of getting the result the way they did. He's definitely a. Definitely a B plus at least.
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Jonathan Wilson
Do you not think though that if Manchester City are forced to engage those tactics, which is, you know, eight grippers across the field and hold on, that they're there for the taking? This is a different Manchester City. And if you decide and you use the attacking players that you have, including E who tormented them in last season's FA cup final, that they were there for the taking. And you could hear Arsenal fans exasperation. Now there are a few stadiums that do exasperation quite like Arsenal. It's a sort of keening, high pitched sort of moan that goes on there. It's not the goodest and grown. It's a slightly more different one. Villa has another has one of its own. Dan Will be and. And St. James. Everyone has their sort of moaning and Arsenal has its own sort of rather shrill. And that was, that was happening and nothing was really happening. And here's the thing, as I mentioned, Tramiro was before. There is a reason that once Dave Chaloner retired and Rory Delap retired, the long throw was abandoned as this great new tactic because it doesn't work that often and launching long throws is a bit of a waste of time. And also they take so bloody long over them.
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Barry Glendenning
How dare you. From the get it launched king.
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Jonathan Wilson
I can't believe that's not get it launched. That's get it thrown. That's different. That's different.
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Barry Glendenning
Isn't the point though. If you are trying. The difficulty is the final ball, right?
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Max Rushden
Eze's ball is great and if a.
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Barry Glendenning
Team is defending deep, it sounds like we're talking about England breaking down a low block. But the difficulty is trying to play that ball. So if you've got the ball in your Arsenal and you think, am I.
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Max Rushden
The guy that plays the final ball.
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Barry Glendenning
Or am I the guy that crosses it? And you think, well I maybe I'll give it to Saka to see if he can do it. And. And so it is always that decision about keeping possession or playing the final ball and not working. And if, if you're playing against a 4, 5, 1 that are really deep, that final ball is. There's just very. There's not much space to put it.
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Jonathan Wilson
But a confident team like a Guardiola Barcelona or something like that trusts itself. Peps Barcelona, of course is the. One of the greatest teams of all time, if not the greatest. But they never panicked at that point. You know, the, the, the Nesta goal against Chelsea in 2009. You just keep going, you keep going, you, you let it and then eventually you grind the opposition down. Arsenal have the technical players to do something if not of that level, akin to that. And yet we're watching the South African rugby team. I don't understand it because I think Arteta has the, the Arsenal within it, within his squad to actually play better football than that and be more creative.
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Dan Bardell
I think we've just said we've never seen Manchester City play like that. We've never seen that iteration of Manchester City. So I imagine Arsenal prepared for a lot of things in training this week. I can't imagine that they'd have prepared for, for what was. What was put in front of them today at the, at the Emirates. So maybe the element of not quite being sure what to do with Manchester City operating in that way. Look, I think Arteta himself, if he had his time again, I think he'd pick a different team. Maybe he might make some, might make some different subs. I was surprised Madawake he went off at half time rather than trust up. I think Arsenal squad's so big now we're talking about them having a player for each position. I think he's almost trying to keep everyone involved and throw people starts here and there. That as the season goes on, maybe that's for the, for the greater good. But, but right now in that game, I think like Trossard starting, I don't think was, was the right court obviously. Look, he's made a good sub because Martin had his come on and, and rescued to get the game for them. But I think there was a lot kind of going on in, in that game that Arsenal wouldn't have been ready for and maybe that affects the manager as well with some of the choices he made.
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Barry Glendenning
Barry Erling, Harland we know is fast, right, and it's a bit like, you know, we know a racehorse is fast, but when you see it in motion, like the way he just left the defenders for dead, it was, it's. There's just something so great about it, isn't it? He just says, right, I'm off and everyone just goes, all right, he's gone.
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Baz
Yeah. And the move started with him as well because he played this nice little ball around the corner to Tijani Reiners. Then off he went, gobbling up the ground left. Gabriel, was it Gabriel or Saliba, I can't remember. Or both of them? Absolutely. Opened up a 10 yard gap on them in no time at all. His finish was pretty straightforward by his standards, but still A good finish. And then he almost did it again, didn't he, when Docu sent him on his way. But he, on this occasion, his shot let him down. He fired straight at Raya. Daku as well, I thought was probably the best player on the pitch because he. He had a very important role for City because they had so many people deep lying and not really venturing forward. Daku just making ground like. Like a rugby player, I suppose, and holding on to the ball and drawing fouls and just earning City a lot of respite at important times.
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Jonathan Wilson
He reminds me of a. Not a rugby player, but like a. A staying chaser in horse racing. You know, like a Denman or an Arco. Just that sort of. Just putting the hammer down to the point where no one could live with him. Just the power this, the. The build that no one can get on him. I mean, I was saying this on Twitter before. This is talk over the summer. Oh, Liverpool are signing Alexander Isak. He's the best striker in the Premier League. No, that is Erling Haaland. By just, I mean Erling Haaland is that terrible phrase. Generational talent. There is no one on that level in the Premier League. He. He is. When he plays like that, you're just like. There's nothing. No one could touch him.
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Barry Glendenning
You're absolutely right. It was like as the. As he started running, he cleared the last fence and then even though they were all level, he then won by 86 legs. You know, there's Peter Bromley saying there he. The other bit I liked from this game was sort of Trossard and Bernardo Silva, you know, just kicking the ball in each other's groins or, you know, throwing the ball and then all like falling down. It was just like this ridiculous. I mean, but quite sort of primary school. Everyone's just like punching someone else in the nuts and running away.
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Jonathan Wilson
Both these men. Both these men have children and they were behaving like that. It was. Oh, dear.
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Barry Glendenning
Anyway, anyway, at that point, probably very Good for Liverpool UBI Everton 21 in.
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Max Rushden
The early kickoff on Saturday.
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Barry Glendenning
5 win from 5. We should start with the Graven Birch goal. Dan Ali McCoist called it a half volley. For shame. McCoist. I thought you were better than that. He takes that so early. The ball hasn't even got to him yet. It is a. We'll get to his assist, but his goal is absolutely brilliant.
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Dan Bardell
I had it in my head. A hooked finish. Is that. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was calling it in my head. He's A he's a really, really good player if he can suddenly add goals to his game and assist to his game. He was the most deep lying midfielder yesterday and he was the most deep lineman fielder for Liverpool the entirety of last season. But if he suddenly starts adding goals to his game he's, he's a really, really frightening player. And I think he's a player that really, really benefited from the fact that when slot first came in they just didn't do anything in the, in the transfer market. Everyone said Liverpool need a number six. They still haven't replaced Fabinho. That they need a number six slot kept his powder dry. He was evaluating what he'd got and he realized there was a ready made solution for Liverpool's midfield already there who'd been in and out the team the season before. And I think sometimes players just need to know that they're going to play and know that they're going to have have a run of games. And Gravenberg's just had that the entirety of slot terrain and they've got a superb squad now with loads of different options for him to get a goal and an assist yesterday. I think he's, he's probably the first name on the team sheet for Liverpool. I think he's, he's that important. And annoyingly my dad put him in his fantasy football team for absolutely no reason at all. He won 1% owned in the, in the world he in fantasy football. And the week my dad puts him in his fantasy football team he gets a goal and assist for the first time in a game for Liverpool. So it's been a frustrating weekend all around.
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Barry Glendenning
Sure. I'm trying to work out what's less interesting than someone talking about their football team. It's someone talking about their dad's fantasy football team. Well done for, well done for going there. I mean his assist as well. Barry was absolutely inch perfect for Ek.
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Baz
Yeah, absolutely beautifully. We should pass into the path of Ekatika who's running spotted. And Ekatiga's finish was great. Shooting through Pickford's legs. And weirdly after they went 2 nil up Liverpool kind of fell apart I thought. And it became apparent why they have this habit of, of throwing away two goal leads. I was doing the minute by minute in the Guardian. I said yes, Liverpool 2 nil up now Everton have them exactly where they want them. And it almost came to pass because Everton hadn't really been in the game until that point. But they got better and better and better. They created chances. Beto didn't have a good game for them. He missed a couple of half chances. The ball wasn't sticking when they fired it his way. But I thought Jack Grealish had another great game for Everton. Illman Dye on the other wing was excellent. Both of them played a part in Idrisa. Gannagay's goal was good goal And Everton were. They'd probably come away from that thinking they should have got a point and they probably would have deserved a point I think.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah. I don't know if I agree with you Barry. I don't know what you think John. I always felt that Everton was kind of. They were good and they have been playing well and you're right about Grealish and they created stuff but you always felt Liverpool had had enough and actually I thought slot it was impressive his starting selection of being playing Connor Bradley playing a proper right back against Grealish. Bringing in McAllister, putting Wirtz on the bench saying look we need some bit more steel for this game.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah it's quite a big call isn't it to leave your 125 million pound new playmaker on the bench for that fixture. But I suppose when you considered the damage that's been done to Liverpool players in recent years in that fixture, Virgil van Dijk obviously leading that list. You've got to protect your crown jewels a little bit. This is the thing with Liverpool. They've got a, you know, five wins from five but in every game they haven't had to play that well and they're good at just staying away from the opponent which is what they did a lot last season. It was a bit of a revival of last season where they didn't necessarily play 90 minutes through that was just excellent. There was no signature performance performance but they held off Everton. I, I think that's, that's right that if Everton thought they could get something in the game it was a fairly slim chance. Liverpool were, were better and are better. They look like they could run away with it like they did last season because everyone else is fighting over over scraps at this point and we haven't even seen Isaac properly yet. I mean we've seen it for a few minutes and we've not seen Wirtz particularly flower. We're not quite in the fraud department just yet. It's interesting taking him out of that game but it worked. So Arne slot whatever he's doing, it's working.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah. Matthew says how significant is Liverpool's five point lead at this stage of the season? I was Just looking at their fixtures, Dan, you know, they go to, in the league, they go to palace, which has not always been a happy place for them. Then they go to Chelsea, then they're home to Manchester United, away to Brentford in November. They have Villa, Manchester City and Forest, you know, and they include. They've also got to play, you know, Real Madrid in this, that period as well. I know that's the next month or two, but you're just sort of thinking, you know, how early will they run away with it or how significant do you think this is? Because quite often it's, you know, two or three points that wins you a league. Well, it wasn't, it wasn't for Liverpool last year, was it? 100 points.
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Dan Bardell
They weren't too. Feels like they weren't too far away from going unbeaten last season. So far they've won every single game in, in the league and now you feel like they're more built to kind of fight on these multiple fronts, different selections for, for, for different games. This is a team that can pretty much beat anyone now and they can do it in lots of different ways with lots of different team selections. They look the, the best equipped, obviously, because they've been at the top of the league and they, they've won every game. But Arsenal and Man City, I spoke about that margin for error earlier already. Arsenal fans, you'll be thinking we can't slip up again for a month or so here because that gap's going to just get wider and wider and wider. And it is almost that psychological element at Liverpool, you think. Liverpool, some people are saying they haven't even played well yet. They've not even clicked into gear at this point yet. They're still winning every single game. So I think it's very, very worrying for the rest of the title choices, however many of them there may be.
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Barry Glendenning
I did Barry enjoy Jack Grealish after the game, talking sort of in the way that every fan would about the booking for Kiern and Dewsbury hall for taking an early free kick and his own booking that he didn't even know had happened.
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Baz
Yeah, it was like he was on a radio phoning an angry fan. Just to clear something up about the Kieran and Dewsbury hall booking for taking a free kick too quickly. He had been warned previously. A lot of people don't seem to realize that. So while taking a free quickly is not necessarily a bookable offense, persistent infringements are. So that's why he got booked. He had been warned and the ref had said, wait for the whistle. And then he did it again. So that's why the booking was. I still think it's a bit fussy of the ref to book him for it, but that is the explanation for the booking. I kind of agree with Jack Grealish in and David Moyes as well, that three minutes didn't seem a whole lot of added time. But you could counter argue that Everton didn't really turn up for the first 35 minutes. So what, you know, was another two going to make that much difference or two or three minutes of added time. But yeah, I can understand that Gripe and Grealish didn't realize he'd been booked. After the final whistle for dissent. I fully expected Darren England to produce a yellow and then a red during his post match interview. At what point are you immune from getting another booking?
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Barry Glendenning
You have to be in your house and have shut the front door. And then Darren England is not allowed in. I think that they are the rules. Anyway, that'll do for part one. Part two will begin at Old Trafford. Hi, Pod fans of America.
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Max Rushden
Max here. Barry's here too.
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Baz
Hello.
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Max Rushden
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Barry Glendenning
Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly. So Manchester United 2. Chelsea won. This was fun, Jon. It was so wet. The first game in Premier League history to see two or more goals, red cards and substitutions in the first half. Just all sorts of fun. I don't know if the football was good. I don't know if we can draw any conclusions about either side from the match, but I don't mind. I had a good time watching it.
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Jonathan Wilson
My conclusion is that Jonathan Wilson's prediction that Chelsea are going to win the league is looking way off beam. So let's.
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Barry Glendenning
And let's face it, we're all rejoicing in that.
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Jonathan Wilson
Let's take the positives. Yes, it's not happening for the great man, is it? Well, Manchester United have found a way to win. It's get the goalkeeper sent off after four minutes or whatever. Maybe that's a tactic now launch it long for Buemo and get them on the chase. And you do you. You do your worst. Yes, very odd game, Very funny game. The weather was amazing. We speak on Sunday, of course, where the Le Classique in France was called off because of bad weather, but that doesn't happen in Manchester. That is just a Saturday night on the town, that type of weather. And yeah, there is no finer sight at times, is there than the sliding tackle where momentum carries them off the pitch and slight. And Mark Cucarella is a player who rather enjoyed those conditions, didn't they? They are. They added to his armory of Hausery and he wasn't the only one throwing in tackles. Casemiro, a guy who's been sent off an awful lot in his career, he's really good at the. What, me? Innocent look, you know, when the cards come, when he clearly knows that what is going to happen. I did think when that happened. Oh, God, United have blown it now we're into Ruben Amarim out mode. But thankfully that is a cast aside for the moment. Instead we're in Enzo Maresca. Is he all that mode? There's this really odd thing with Cole Palmer with some of the substitutions and people are asking questions, is Maresca the right man for whatever it is the Chelsea project is? And none of us really know what that is, do we?
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Barry Glendenning
We'll get on to Maresca and his and his dad's Working hours in a little bit. I mean, deadliest catch. Yeah, exactly like Robert Sanchez. And I think when people don't include this in whether he's a good enough goalkeeper to be the Chelsea keeper, he's had some decent performances recently and was good in the club World Cup. But you have to add this in. It's like terrible decision making at quite an important stage right at the start of a football match.
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Dan Bardell
Yeah, pretty, pretty rash. Not only was it denying a goal scoring opportunity as well, it was a pretty dangerous tackle. It was very, very high where he, where he caught Mbuyo. When Jonathan Wilson was lauding them as title favorites, I said to him, you will never win a title with that guy in goal. Just won't happen. He's not good enough for Chelsea and he has had some decent moments in the last few months, but fundamentally, and I think any other Premier League team would have him as their goalkeeper. I genuinely believe that. So he is a big, big problem because he is capable of these moments and it has cost them in a huge game. And Manchester United needed a, they needed a. Gimme some. Something like that. I think it's massively papered over, over the cracks that they were able to. To play against 10 men and get some confidence and, and get the goal that, that they needed in that time. But I just think it has papered over. The only progress I can still see from Manchester United after that game is that last time he absolutely hammered it down. The roof leaked and I don't think the roof leaks this time. So I guess we can say that the, the project is making some form of progress. But to answer your question, Sanchez is hopeless.
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Barry Glendenning
A marginal gain there. I don't know what you made of this, Barry. I mean, we sort of mentioned Casemiro to get sent off when you're a man. I mean, clearly don't get sent off in any football match, but totally ludicrous to be dafter than Robert Sanchez in this match.
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Baz
Yeah, of the match, I loved it. I thought the first half was just hilarious and really entertaining. Casemiro, I think he was a bit unlucky with the second yellow card, to be honest, but he gave the ref a decision to make and there was no need for. The first one was just stupid. One of the guys I was watching the game with said when he got booked, like, what the hell is he doing? That's just so daft. And, and he was completely right and you could, you kind of knew, oh, he's going to get another one, isn't he? And he duly did. But the substitutions Mareska made after the Sanchez red card, I think he rushed into that and got them wrong. And Manchester United held on. It's a good win. But I can't read anything into it, given the weather, given the conditions, given the. This Sanchez situation. I can't read too much into that.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, there were some good quotes before this game. One was Reuben Amarim asked if he would change 3, 4, 2, 1. He said, no, not. No one will make him change it. Not even the Pope. Just think at what point the Pope would ring him up. Or would the pope ring 606 and say, come on, Leo. Leo the 14th on the line from the Vatican. What's your point, Leo? And he says, yeah, Amram's got to go 3, 5. He's got to go 4, 3, 3.
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Baz
If he doesn't, I'll excommunicate.
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Barry Glendenning
Exactly. So that was good. But then Maresca Sal saying, since Maresca doesn't seem to be supporting his dad the way everyone else in football does, should we start a Kickstarter for Maresca Senior? He was talking about, I think, Raheem Sterling and the fact, you know, whether.
- [31:48]
Max Rushden
Footballers have it tough and very much.
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Barry Glendenning
Sounded like a phone, you know, someone doing a phone in saying, you know, this isn't tough. You know, my dad's a coal miner. He said, his dad is a fisherman who is 75 years old and still works 2am to 10am out on the boat on the trawlers, to which me and Charlie Baker did the phoning. What's your dad's name, what's his job and what's his working hours? To which someone just rang in and said, ken dead all the time. Thank you so much for that call. It was quite funny. Anyway, let's talk about Graham Potter. Lots of reports that he's under significant pressure. I think we knew that. Karen Brady sounding out Nuno and Gary o', Neill, some mention of Slav and Bilich. They lost at home to Crystal palace, have six wins from 25 games since his appointment in January. John, it's not. It's never been great. You know, it feels the air of inevitability is. Is circling, Mr. Potter.
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Jonathan Wilson
It certainly is. It certainly is. And there was always this idea, wasn't that the ownership of West Ham tend to take the time over this. I mean, Slav and Billich last time obviously had a. A season or so of it being very good. And it. It felt like a slow puncture from that point. And he knew he was leaving at a certain Point he just took so long. Graham Potter I suspect that the, the, the moment of execution will come rather quicker than that. Nuno and West Ham it just seems to fit to me. I don't think they'll like it but they don't like much actually and haven't liked. I mean they like 7 billets funny enough but actually who was the last manager they. And they liked because they didn't really.
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Barry Glendenning
Love Moyes even though he won them a trophy.
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Jonathan Wilson
No, Moyes was. I mean, you know, Moyes is doing a fine job at Everton, a club that where he belongs and yet he's been the best West Ham manager. But they still didn't. Being a West Ham manager, you know Sam Allardyce did a fairly decent John Lyle. John Lyle like John Lyle. But even he got sacked, you know that was. He went to Ipswich and did a great job there. And it's like the. You just. Being a West Ham manager is a tough old gig really because they just. Again, again we go back to the certain clubs have a complaining thing and again they've got West Ham Hazard. When the London Stadium goes off, it's normally in outrage at the team's performances. It's not worked out. Graham Potter approved a pretty poor fit. When I think most of us including myself thought yeah, there's a sensible head to get it sorted. Someone actually quite in the John Lyle mode have been quite calm, reserved. Let the. Let the circus take place over there and I will just get on with my job. But it hasn't worked out. He's dealt a bad hand in a particular pretty weak squad and some rather odd transfer dealings. The thing is with Nuno is he's a well connected guy and I think that's why a club might turn to him because you could get some decent players in because of his connections which is sort of the way how football works these days.
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Barry Glendenning
I mean it's more connection singular, isn't it? But it is a good connection.
- [34:57]
Jonathan Wilson
It's a pretty damn good connection. Yeah. But I mean, you know, and that George Mendes of course and, and this is how the games run and I don't know if they would like that style of football. But it feels to me that we talk a little less about the West Ham way these days. It feels like it's gone a little bit. I think they just want it to be not crap anymore.
- [35:19]
Barry Glendenning
I think that's just make it okay. Yeah. 3,000 West Ham fans protested ahead of the game. Fans had banners and flags directed the owners saying sacked the board during it it's worth mentioning Tarek Mitchell's volley, which was absolutely beautiful on his wrong foot. That win took them briefly fourth unbeaten in nine in all competitions this season as well. So, you know, we know palace are good.
- [35:40]
Baz
Well, they haven't lost in the league in about. This is 16 games.
- [35:44]
Dan Bardell
17, I think it is.
- [35:45]
Barry Glendenning
Yeah.
- [35:45]
Baz
I read earlier just on the New north thing. If I was him, I would avoid that place like the plague. And he'll surely get a better offer.
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Jonathan Wilson
He seems to. I mean, think of where he went to Wolves. Okay, that was a nice gig. But he went, he went to spurs when he wasn't wanted and then he took on Forest, which, you know, is a. Let's just say managing up at that place is a reasonably difficult task. And he likes to challenge Nuno and he is one of football's great diplomats and he.
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Dan Bardell
So, you know, until recently.
- [36:18]
Barry Glendenning
Well, it's very true.
- [36:21]
Jonathan Wilson
I think he managed that situation rather well. He's like, I want out of here, so I will let you know.
- [36:27]
Dan Bardell
Can I just say, sack the board process. Has a board ever been sacked off? I don't think I've ever seen a board sacked in my life. Anyway.
- [36:34]
Barry Glendenning
No, I think you're probably right. I'm just wondering if. Would I watch an hour long documentary called Football's Greatest Diplomats? Maybe I would. Kate Del say, does the reintroduced Arreola's new look help or hinders Barry ability to identify West Ham keeps? He did look like a bloke they just found. He'd put on a white sweatshirt for a sec when he first got the ball. I was like, that's not. Who's that? That's not the keeper. Oh. And then I looked at him and went, who's that? And I went, oh, I checked. It's Areola. All right. Maybe he's just. He's trying to make himself look as unlike Fabianski just to help Barry and the rest of us. Let's go to Molyneux. Wolves won Leeds 3. What'd you make of this one, Baz?
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Baz
Well, I think I sat here on this very podcast, was it maybe last Monday, and said that for all their endeavor and huff and puff, I thought Leeds were going to go down because I couldn't see where the goals are going to come from. So lo and behold, they're going to make a fool of me on Saturday by scoring and three in the first half against Wolves. And Wolves obviously took the lead. I thought Wolves would win this game. I. I really did. And their. Their latest defeat, fifth in a row, has Knocked me out of a game of last man standing. But yeah, fair play to Leeds. Dominic Calvert Loon got a good goal. They got three decent goals I think. Anton Stack with a rocket of a free kick. Okafor a lovely finish after Agbadou had gifted possession to Leeds and Dominic Calvert Lune got between two defenders to score a very good header. Calvert Lune seems like a smashing fella but he's injury prone. I don't think he's never going to be the most prolific striker in the world but it's good that he's got off the mark for Leeds. Vitor Pereira looked totally baffled as to what to do next before he went in for the halftime break and he made three changes and they didn't really help in any way. So they lost again. But they're just silly mistakes are costing them.
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Dan Bardell
He's got a new contract though, hasn't it?
- [38:33]
Barry Glendenning
So that's a new three year deal.
- [38:35]
Dan Bardell
Lost every single game and got a new contract. Wolves I predict them to go down every season and I didn't do it this season. So that might mean that they finally do go down. But you know, every now and again someone makes a sub and the crowd will go who? I feel like when you name the wolves 11 I'm doing that at every single player. I don't know who anyone is anymore. Footballs.
- [38:55]
Barry Glendenning
It's a good point. Yeah, I did win the goal. The guy who scored. It was a lovely goal actually, wasn't it? Krechi scored. I wikipedia him and said he was a center back. I was like, is he?
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Max Rushden
I mean, I don't know.
- [39:05]
Barry Glendenning
So I don't know what he was doing there but it was. Look, he was on the end of a beautiful move. But yes, Pereira says, I'm not worried about my future. I don't need to answer because I'm not worried about my future. I'm worried about the results. Of course I'm confident I can turn it around. But yes, zero points from five.
- [39:19]
Baz
I mean why would he be worried about his future? He's just signed a new three year contract. He's a journeyman, he's well traveled and if he gets sacked he'll get another job somewhere else. Why worry?
- [39:30]
Barry Glendenning
And he'll just get three. He'll get three years money.
- [39:33]
Baz
Three years.
- [39:33]
Barry Glendenning
That's insane, isn't it? I'd be like, I'd be like give me the boot, I'll take it. You get of rid. What will he get? He's probably on 3 million a year. Could take £9 million to have three years off. I could do it to the Amex. John, you were there. Brighton two spurs too. Thomas Frank said it was their best performance of the season. Do you agree?
- [39:51]
Jonathan Wilson
Well, no, but spurs have actually played very well quite a lot of this season, haven't they? And I didn't listen. I've sat through quite a lot of Thomas Frank press conferences and he's a vibes guy. So what you do is at that point he's saying hey, he, he liked the bits that were difficult and it was, it was a. That they found some strength through adversity rather than it all going their way. The two goals Brighton scored were against the run of play. I mean Min says goal was pretty much all his own work. Nice ball from Russia of course. Lovely finish for a team that does struggle a bit to score. Iari's goal a beauty as well. One of those hit early so, so the keeper's wrong footed and then did.
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Barry Glendenning
You hear him in the post match when the, the whoever on match they said, you know, is that one of your best goals? He went not really.
- [40:44]
Jonathan Wilson
Confident young man, confident young man. And yeah, and, and they are foot. This is it with Brighton. They're full of confident young players. But when they bring on James Milner to rescue things, you can see that that is possibly the problem that they have. It is probably a bit too much. Promising up and coming Carlos Baleba, you know, a player that's been talked about an awful lot, subbed off at half time because he was tired and Fabian Hertzler did quite a long sermon about how you young players, it's an oscillation. You're not always going to be brilliant. There's points where they drop off and he's had his head turned. I did enjoy Brighton's protests at Richarlison's goal because the goal was so scrappy. They just disappeared. To me they appeared to be appealing for anything and it was just like this is.
- [41:31]
Barry Glendenning
This is not a good enough goal to grade.
- [41:33]
Jonathan Wilson
This goal is so crap. There's no way this could be allowed to stand. And even appealing for offside as Lewis Dunk is on the line flailing at the ball. And then of course they concede a known goal. Brighton full of, full of quality, a bit enigmatic. Spurs are going in the right direction and I continue to be a huge fan of Thomas Frank and what he's doing.
- [41:59]
Barry Glendenning
Now before we end part two, just to mention the sad news about Matt Beard, the former Liverpool women's manager and Chelsea women's manager. As well. Liverpool's match at Aston Villa was postponed on Sunday. He led them to back to back WSL titles in 2013 and 2014 and returned for a second spell in 2021. In a statement, Liverpool paid tribute to an extremely committed and successful manager. He was also a person of real integrity and warmth. He'll always be remembered with genuine fondness by everyone he worked with at the club. Rest in peace, Matt. The Guardian Women's Football Weekly on Tuesday will do a tribute to Matt Beard. Farah Williams did a very emotional interview on 5 Live on Sunday. Tom Gary's written a really nice piece in the Guardian. Barry and I spoke to Ian Abraham's the Moose on Talksport, who does a lot of women's football, and he was really cut up and knew Matt Beard really well. I saw Flo. Lloyd Hughes wrote a really nice piece as well in tribute to Matt Beard. So Barlow counts a lovely, lovely guy lost way too soon. And we send, of course, our thoughts to his family and his wife and his children and his friends as well. And we'll be back in a second.
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Max Rushden
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Baz
Hello.
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- [44:49]
Barry Glendenning
Welcome to part three of the Guardian Football Weekly. To Craven Cottage.
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Baz
Barry, hold on now a second.
- [44:54]
Barry Glendenning
Where there is only. We're all.
- [44:55]
Baz
We're into part three and you're going to Craven Cottage. You've got a Villa fan on, a Sunderland fan on and you're off to Craven Cottage. Are you fine?
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Dan Bardell
Fine then I'm okay with that, to be honest.
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Barry Glendenning
Well, I'll tell you why Barry. Because there's only one place to start part three and that is with your good friend Ethan Pinnock. That is why you don't want us to start with part three. David says can we have the usual conversation comparison of Ethan Pinnock's latest header bracket shoulder with Barry's. I mean what am I. And the funniest part of it is it's the second game where Fulham have got a goal by one of the opposition players. Just standing there hitting him and going in. This is a brilliant tactic from Marco Silva.
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Baz
Poor old Ethan was stitched up by whichever of his teammates it was that jumped. Missed the header impaired his view so that he. I think he was. He wasn't quite standing so I think he was trying to get out of the way of the ball. But it did hit his shoulder and ricochet into the back of the net. It was undeniably funny. He looked suitably crestfallen when it went in. But ultimately it didn't really make any difference because it was Fulham's third goal is a good result for them. They came from behind to win the game. Josh King had a very unfortunate rick to to gift Brentford their opener. Michael Damsgaard's opener. But I thought the goal of this game was undeniably Fulham's second.
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Barry Glendenning
Oh yeah.
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Baz
Brilliant precise pass from Alex Awobi and then a splendid finish from Harry Wilson. The. The Welsh fellow. Just a lovely curled first time finish into the corner. But I thought Wobe's pass was sensational.
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Dan Bardell
It won't be so good. It won't be. Such been such a good player for Fulham. I thought he was unlucky not to be in the PFA team of the year last year. I thought. I thought he was brill for a lot of the season. A and he's just continued. Sometimes a player just suits a club. A wob is brilliant for Fulham Every. Every single week. And Wilson loves a goal against, against Brentford because I think he scored the winner against Brentford last season, if my memory serves me correctly. As well.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I'm a big Harry Wilson fan. Okay then. To the Stadium of light. Barry Sunderland 1 Villa won the Glendenning Bardell Derby. Who wants to start? Dan? You can as a sad Villa fan off.
- [47:12]
Dan Bardell
Villa will not get a better chance to get their first win of the season than that. But they're notoriously bad against playing. Playing against 10 men. Sorry, our text, Barry. As soon as we went down to 10 men and said villa hopeless against 10 men. And so that trend continued. I mean, before Matty Cash scored. The best thing that any Villa player had done this season was Matty Cash getting kicked in the bollocks in the, in the same game. And we are just not very good at the moment. We are slow. We don't look like we're ever going to be able to break a team down again. Even when we go one nil up, we don't build on it and we end up letting him. What I thought was a pretty poor goal. Unai Emery described it as lazy. I'd be inclined to agree with him. It's just hard to see how it turns for Villa at the moment. And I thought this season might be more difficult than the kind of last few under Unai Emery. But I can't say that I envisage this level of rubbishness from us because we are just hopeless at the moment.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, you, you know, you, you said a few weeks ago, look, in Unai Emery we trust. Are you still in Unai Emery we trust?
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Dan Bardell
Yeah. Look, I, I honestly think if Unai Emery walked out on this club tomorrow, we would go down. I, I really think he, he's that important. The whole, the whole club is, is built around Unai Emre. There's clearly something very, very wrong at the moment. Even the way just he walked down the tunnel before, before the final whistle. I thought that was quite strange. He's not really much of a, much of a showman, Em. That's the kind of thing you associate with someone like Jose Mourinho.
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Max Rushden
The fact it was the 54th minute.
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Dan Bardell
Really was, you know, I mean I would, I would have understood if he had have decided to do that. He's talking about them not playing the way he, he wants them to play. But even just the way we're setting up at the moment, I, I don't understand team selection. Sometimes the subs are, are a bit Weird. And I don't think this is what's happening. But just watching Villa, they do have the look of a team that's not playing for the manager, which is a bit concerning because I can't believe that that would be the case given what Emery's done for all those players. Because we were going nowhere until he came in and many of those players were part of that Villa team that was going nowhere and he's got them. He turned them into Champions League players like last season. And the club's been really highly positioned in Europe consecutively. I can't believe that that would be the case. But unfortunately that is what it looks like at the moment because we are useless.
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Barry Glendenning
Barry from meanwhile Sunderland seventh in the league, eight points from five games and another point, you know. Yes. And with 10 men to salvage a point when you're one down is pretty impressive.
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Baz
Yeah, I thought it was a heroic effort from Sunderland. John spoke earlier about Arness Slot protecting Liverpool's crown jewels. Sadly, Matty Cash's crown jewels were afforded no such protection when he fell on Rynildo or left back. And who, who took exception to it and, and lashed out and caught Matty in the sore spot. And I have absolutely no complaints about the red card. It was silly thing to do but it took him so long to leave the pitch and he. He was trying protesting his innocence and you just. I'll just get off man. You're an idiot. And I, I presumed at that point because there was still over an hour left. I thought, yeah, there's no way Sunderland are getting anything for this game. They're actually the better team in the second half. I thought they hit the bar. They getting crosses into the box. Then they went behind Robin Roos who was so good against palace last season, let in a very soft one. That Cash shot from distance. It did swerve in the air but he got both hands on it and still let it in. But I, I thought the equalizer from Wilson Isidore was. Was thoroughly deserved. A lovely cushioned header over the top from Granite Jacker and. And he volleyed it in despite having two men on him. So well done him. Well done Sunderland.
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Barry Glendenning
Well done Sunderland. Burnley one, Forest one. And just wait for a first win. Goes on. John. I've seen progress in the last seven days. He says. I know it was Arsenal away, but the general approach, we've made enormous progress. All that takes time. But that's the exciting bit, says Ange.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah, he said didn't either. Wednesday would be when it. It kicked off and obviously they lost at Swansea and this one was. I mean, how do we gauge. And the fact is he wasn't quite looking completely towards the floor in his post match interview, but he was a bit more happy about this performance. Burnley. Tough nuts to crack, aren't they? For quite a lot of teams. I continue to be impressed by Scott Parker as a manager, which is a question. Did you ever think that Scott Parker would be a manager? Did you know there's certain players. But then I think. But actually. But then I think that.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, I think so. I think he had that sort of leadership and you know, when he was playing for England and, and sort of in a sort of Jordan Henderson style.
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Jonathan Wilson
You know, I, I was thinking about this because he was at. Remember he won, famously won the Football writers player of the Year when West Ham got relegated and famously at that time in particular there was a lot of West Ham fans within the press corps and. But he was known.
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Barry Glendenning
The voting committee was Ray Winston.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah, yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
Danny Dyer and a pot of jelly. Deal.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah. And the ceremony was at Ken's Calf on Green Street. Yeah, of course. But I think part of that was that he was known for delivering these Churchillian speeches as a player at half time and you know, we've seen him a couple times when he's given actually very lucid interviews and I find him just quite an impressive character and he, he's prepared, you know, he's a. Will have made good money out of the game but he's prepared to get himself in the muck and nettles of management. Clearly loves the game, loves the challenges. I mean Bournemouth, I suppose he got them promoted and was cast aside, but hey, well done to him. He's on that sort of revolving door of managers, isn't he? That there's a few of them new. No, I mean we've gone past the Allardyce and Pulis era. We're now in Nuno Ange Scott park will be one of those. These managers that sort of move around clubs. That's. They're. They're the new. Maybe Uni Emery might be another one in. In a while.
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Dan Bardell
Done.
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Jonathan Wilson
You know, let's hope not.
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Dan Bardell
John.
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Jonathan Wilson
Well, I, I know I'm not trying to. Well, actually I am trying to make you feel bad, but it, I think that's the new revolving door of managers. We need this, don't we have just, you know, Graham Potter is another. Perhaps in there.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah. Gary O', Neil, he's on that. He's on that.
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Jonathan Wilson
Gary O'. Neill. Yeah. All those names that the Alan Kirby 14 one sort of tribute. Yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
Finally, Bournemouth nil. Newcastle nil. John, you had your eyes on this while Barry and Dan were firmly gawping at the game at the Stadium of Light.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yes.
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Dan Bardell
I wish I'd watched that game.
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Jonathan Wilson
Well done. Honestly. Producer Joel detailed me with this and I could say that I saw absolutely nothing of interest in it. And we actually, that is, I saw absolutely nothing of interest in that game.
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Barry Glendenning
It sounded so flat, wasn't it? You know. You know when there's just absolute silence. Vitality.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah. Just. Just. Yeah, there was no vitality. I suppose I saw a couple of decent touches for a big man from Volta Marder, so that was all right. But yeah, God, it was flat. Bournemouth actually seems to be better at defending now that they've sold off their entire defense, which is quite interesting. You know, they cashed in what probably got over 100 million or something for their defenders.
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Barry Glendenning
And now I like true fair Truffle looks good.
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Jonathan Wilson
Yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
I think I mentioned already what Charlie Baker says. It does sound like what the kids say when they agree with you. You know.
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Jonathan Wilson
Calm, calm, calm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Barry Glendenning
I mean, Newcastle did play Barcelona on. On Thursday night. We forgot to mention Manchester City beating Napoli. It's worth mentioning those goals from Rashford Barry, because they were both. They were both absolutely brilliant. And the second isn't such a great goal. Yeah.
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Baz
Big occasion at Newcastle. Good atmosphere at the ground. They had the. The tifo and the flags. The AC DC themed tifo. But Barcelona were ultimately just too good for them. Newcastle played well in the first half. Could have scored two goals. Think Harvey Barnes and Anthony Gordon both missed presentable chances. And yeah, Barcelona boss. The second half, Newcastle got a lead. Consolation, but it looked like they might snatch a point. But I think. Yeah, sorry, you asked me about Rashford and I've gone off on a mad tangent.
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Barry Glendenning
That's okay.
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Baz
Very, very good header and his second goal. An absolute smashing shot. Oh, and there's one instance in this he tried another shot and he hit Fabian Shah like smashed the ball into his face. Char went down, needed treatment, wasn't taken off. And then about 10 minutes later, hunkered down looking very disoriented and had to be taken off. So just a little mild diversion of my high horse. I think he should have been taken off immediately, but he wasn't. But yeah, a very good performance from Rashford. And they were his first goals for Barcelona, I believe. So presumably he'll kick on. Hansi Flick seems to be a big fan of his and we Know, Thomas Tuchel is a big fan of his his, so this could be a big season for him.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah, I was listening to someone saying Lamine used to sort of play Rashford on feature or something. It's very excited to see him there. Jim says hello. Long time listener, first time email. In regards to the claim on the last pod that Oliver Glassner and Nikita Khrushchev were more Stalin than Stalin, it is worth pointing out that de Stalinization was one of the central policies of Khrushchev following his rise to power policy most famously exemplified by his secret, secret speech denouncing Stalin's cult of personality. Thank you, Jim. As a Liverpool fan writing an email about the Soviet Union, please feel free to make as many jokes as needed about my support for the Reds. Thanks. Love the pod. Graham says. Hey, guys, American listener here would love to purchase some i35 to Philadelphia merch when you make it over to the States on a live tour. A hilarious statement from max, considering that I35 runs north south from Minnesota to Texas, its closest point to Philly, as it passes through Iowa or Missouri or somewhere. No fault on the intricacies of the freeway interstate system, Max. It's probably a great road for finding you some real gas station barbecue, he says. And then he sent me a long link to what highway numbers actually mean in the United States, which I confess I haven't read yet. But, Graham, trust me, I will. Thank you for the great shows every week. Thank you, Graham. And thanks, everybody. That'll do for today's podcast. Thank you, Baz.
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Baz
Thanks. You can print that highway guide off and read it on your flight back to Australia tomorrow. It might help you not off, honestly.
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Barry Glendenning
Oh, gross. 24 hours on an airplane with two young children is just the worst thing you can ever do to yourself. So I will speak to everybody on Wednesday and you may detect exhaustion from me. Thank you, John.
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Jonathan Wilson
How secret was this speech if. If we are talking about it on, presumably 70 years later on a football podcast?
- [58:21]
Barry Glendenning
Well, now, this is the first time it's ever been mentioned. So, you know, we're trying to crack into the, you know, the history market because apparently those podcasts are quite successful, John. So if we just drop in a little bit of.
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Jonathan Wilson
We're coming for you, Tom Holland. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Barry Glendenning
Yeah. Thank you, Dan.
- [58:37]
Dan Bardell
Thank you, Max. Good luck on your travels.
- [58:39]
Barry Glendenning
Thank you. And cheer up. Football Weekly is produced by Joel Grove. Our executive producer is Danielle Stevens. We'll be back on Wednesday.
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Max Rushden
This is the Guardian.
- [58:58]
Barry Glendenning
Hi, pod.
- [58:59]
Max Rushden
Fans of America. Max here. Barry's here.
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Barry Glendenning
Too.
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Baz
Hello.
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Max Rushden
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Baz
A proper football journalist. Exactly.
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