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In Episode 280 of the Footballguys Fantasy Football Show, Dave Kluge and Alfredo Brown discuss players to target on in trades as we head into Week 8. Send your questions to fantasyshow@footballguys.com 🎥. SUBSCRIBE to the NEW YouTube page:...
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Alfredo Brown
Gabby used to watch a lot more TV together and like have that moment we gather around the tv like, all right, it's X time of the day. What's our show? What's our movie that we're gonna watch? It's not to like, make it weird and sad. Like it happens a lot less. Like, she works late, I will work late. Especially in season. You're watching football. Then we've got, you know, her family lives with us, the kids. And there's always one's watching like anime or Summer I turned pretty or something that I hate. And it's like, wait, I haven't watched one of those shows with her in a long time where it's like both of us are hooked every week or binging through it every week. I'm, I'm excited for Stranger Things because that's like I'm going to be back on that with her. That's like the first show she's been excited for in years.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, I, I'm lucky. I mean, Emily, my wife, she Loves football. Like, she commissions fantasy football leagues. Like, she is there with me at 7:30am watching the International games. Like, you know, yelling and screaming when her players are scoring. Like, getting excited about Bears games. That's fun. Like, that's our TV time. But I got to say, man, great British Bake Off, Great British baking show, whatever it's called. I don't know, but I love that show. Like, it just. It feels very off brand for. Yeah, it's like, you know, I listen to metal music and I like horror and like, I like all of these, like, kind of fringe sort of things. And then for whatever reason, like, this show, it just warms my tiny little Grinch heart. It makes me so happy. Like, and the thing is, like, if you watch, like, American reality TV shows, like cooking competition shows, they are, like, trying to sabotage each other. And it's like intense music. And like, then you go watch this show and it's just like this, like, really, like, whimsical, like this happy music. Like, people are helping each other out. Like, oh, I finished my pie. Let me come over there and help you with yours. Like, it's just like, such, like, it just restores my faith in humanity. Like, it is just the. The. The contestants are great. The hosts are great. It is such a good show.
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Alfredo Brown
This is why they lost the war.
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Dave Kluge
Oh, my God.
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Alfredo Brown
Welcome into the football guys fantasy football show. It's week eight. We're talking trades. I'm Alfredo Brown joined as always. I've got Dave Kluge here with me, and we're going to take a look at some trades that we think fantasy managers should be making making here prior to week eight. We've got six players for you to buy, two players for you to sell. So you want to pay attention. Maybe these players are going to be available in your leagues or it's a player in your roster that you need to get rid of asap. Dave, why don't you start us off here? Because I think each of us kind of has, like, a theme for these trades. It feels like yours are very much going into the brand of buying low and mine. I know, I'm just. I'm going for big swings. I'm going for the absolute biggest swings possible.
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Dave Kluge
And, you know, I think going for Zay Flowers, the guy that I want to talk about, is a pretty big swing, but I think that people don't look at him like that right now. I mean, we gotta remember this guy was like, we were talking about the year three breakout. Like, this guy had finally ascended into Wide receiver one territory to start the year. And then Lamar Jackson has been hurt ever since. And as Lamar Jackson hasn't been in the games, his Zay Flowers production has fallen off. I'm a simple man, you know, last week when we did this, I was talking about all these guys, A.J. brown and you know, Stefan Diggs and Alvin Camara, these guys that are like due for touchdowns.
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Alfredo Brown
Been a long time since last week, right.
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Dave Kluge
But I'm still looking for guys who have production and aren't scoring touchdowns. And that's exactly what Zay Flowers is doing right now. 46 targets, one touchdown. The only players with more targets and fewer touchdowns are Jerry Judy and Justin Jefferson. And I don't know about you, Alfredo, I have a lot more faith in the Baltimore offense to score touchdowns than I do in the Cleveland Browns or the Minnesota Vikings. So we're looking right now. You know, all the things that we were talking about early in the year are still holding true. Zay Flowers is pulling the career best target share, 29 that is eighth best in the league right now. This guy's is operating as a true wide receiver one this year. And the production has been down without Lamar Jackson, but that should rebound whether it's this week or whether he comes back a couple of weeks from now. You're buying him for that to be that late season guy that could be a wide receiver one for you. So when I'm looking at say Flowers comparing him to my rest of season rankings with some other guys, I would give up Brian Thomas Jr. Chris Alave, Marvin Harrison Jr. And then if we start looking at some of the running backs, you know, Ken Walker, Zach Charbonnet, some of these Seattle guys that are splitting touches, those are all guys that I'd be more than happy to move if I can get say Flowers in return.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I'm excited just for the Ravens offense in general. Like I think they Flowers, this is a good pick here. That actually leads right into the guy that I want to talk about who is also a Ravens player. And I think there's a little less reason to be excited about him right now because of how things have gone for the season. But Derrick Henry is the guy that I want to talk about who I'm willing to trade for. Like I said, big swings here. One of the things I talked about recently on the Pretend GM podcast was I had Faraz Siddiqui of Upper Hand Fantasy come on. And he specifically talked to me about one of his favorite things to look at mid season when looking for trades. And it's expected fantasy points. And that's just an easy way to look at, you know, like what the weighted opportunities are, what the expectation was, scoring up, like all kinds of things and like what the actual output is. So right, like you can do the basic, here's what it should have been, here's what it was, this is what it could be. Right. And you could try to make that formula in your head. It's not always perfect, but Derrick Henry right now, number two running back in terms of expected fantasy points per game, number one's actually Alvin Camara, who, I mean, sure, at this point, might as well go trade for him too. Like I'm not excited about it.
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Dave Kluge
We talked about him last week. But yeah, just copy paste everything I said last week. Like, still trying to trade for Alvin Camaro.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, these. So these are players that are big swings and I think that when you get to this point in the season, this is what you need to do. If you're like 6 and 1 and you have talent to spare, take the big swing. See what you can get with Derrick Henry. If you are 3 and 4, 4 and 3, take the big swing so you can make the playoffs. If you are 1 and 6, like, I'm just gonna keep going, take the big swing. One of the things that I loved seeing on here was obviously we get Lamar Jackson back and the Ravens offense is very different. Hayden Winks over Underdog Fantasy posted this earlier today. Ravens are Back to a 28.25 team total this week in terms of. That's like for points and betting. For those of you that are unfamiliar with it, the Derrick Henry Ravens career splits by result. When it is 20 or fewer team points, he averages 10.8 half PPR points. When it's 21 or more, we are looking at 20 half PPR points. So when we're looking at a team like the Ravens, if we're just going by data alone in just this simple week, it's a good reflection of what we could see from the Ravens offense. Just simply having Lamar Jackson back, an MVP candidate back at quarterback. The Ravens get Miami in two weeks in week nine, two really good juicy matchups against Cincy in weeks 13 and 15. The schedule isn't. The schedule isn't kind all the way, but it's a pretty decent schedule for Derrick Henry. He's at a running back two price point right now and that's sort of thing that I'm looking at honestly, given his role, given the offense I kind of lean towards. Worst case scenario, him being a running back too and you're just kind of paying for that price. If everything shakes out correctly in the Ravens offense, just gets it together. We're looking at running back one upside. Dave, I know you've had your ups and downs with Derrick Henry and I'm curious, how do you feel about this one?
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, I like it. I mean I am definitely looking at him as more of like a high end RB2 right now just because that is the production that he's been providing so far this year. But like you said, like once Lamar Jackson comes back. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago how like this new way that offenses are attacking this too high shell coverage is by having a very good running back and a mobile quarterback and not necessarily a read option but just like the threat of having a rushing quarterback opens up lanes for these guys. And over the last few weeks we just haven't seen defenses playing Baltimore that way. They've just been loading up the box on Derrick Henry because there is no threat of a rushing game, averaging 10.
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Alfredo Brown
Points per game without Lamar. Like it's just bad. No one's good in this offense.
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Dave Kluge
It's been bad, bad. And yeah, like you can look at it like his loaded box rate has been like 50, 60, 70% almost every single week without Lamar Jackson. So once Lamar's out there, we know that that is going to not only have the threat of a rushing quarterback, but also the threat of a deep ball and the explosive plays. And then we get Rashad Bateman involved and we get Zay Flowers involved downfield, then it opens up even more rush. So this is one of those things like we could talk on and on about like how impactful Lamar Jackson is to his offense. But you know, I, I think Lamar Jackson missing a handful of games in the Baltimore Ravens looking like they couldn't even cut it out in the xfl. I think that's all the argument you need for Lamar Jackson to be like the MVP front runner right now that they're going to come back, they're going to hang 30 points again this week. Derrick Henry is going to be firing, Zay Flowers is going to be firing, Rashad Bateman's going to be back. I mean all of these things happen because of Lamar Jackson. So I think a lot of people probably realize that. But there's also a lot of people that just look at the raw output and say Derek Henry's not performing, Zay Flowers isn't performing. This is frustrating. I want them on my team, but you just got to be patient. Everything's going to be fine once Lamar is back.
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Alfredo Brown
You know who the number one tight end is in net? Expected fantasy points versus actual fantasy points?
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Dave Kluge
I don't. I'm guessing Mark Andrews. Yeah.
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Alfredo Brown
This whole Ravens team, like, everything is set for a bounce back, which by the way, not even close to being true. But I still remember when Tua Tongue of I love was out for the Dolphins and the Dolphins went to absolute shambles and we're like, you see, I could be an MVP candidate. I know it's not the same. So, like, don't, don't, don't get angry in the comments, but you should comment. By the way, it's YouTube, so comment, please. Just. Yeah, you know, please. All right, let's go to the next one on here. Dave, who's your next player that you're buying?
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Dave Kluge
I'm going to talk about Chase Brown, and this one probably feels pretty obvious to a lot of people. You're probably buying high rather than buying low after last week because we saw that he can be a RB2 now in this offense. Didn't score points. You know, it was kept out of the end zone. But season high in rushing yards, season high in scrimming yard, scrimmage yards, season high in yards per carry. I think the major thing here, though is that like, it's not just like a numbers thing. I think there's kind of a psychological aspect to trying to buy Chase Brown here because so many people paid up for Chase Brown. Like, he was a round two pick and he has been. You know, going into last week, there was a lot of talk that he was just the worst pick that you could have made in fantasy football. It was terrible. Like he wasn't even returning RB3 value and you drafted to this guy hoping that he'd be a top five guy. So I think people paid up for him. They expected this top five running back value and this is the first sign of life that he's shown. And I think a lot of people are just saying, like, I just want to offload this guy. Like, it has been a month and a half of pain rostering and starting Chase Brown. And a lot of people might see last week's game is kind of a fluke. You know, the first game with Joe Flacco kind of took the. The Steelers, a soft defense by surprise. And I think there's some people that might want to just be done with Chase Brown, drafted him and want to get him off their team. So I think that's why, like, even though you're probably buying Higher than you would have been two, three weeks ago. I think you could still get him for below what his rest of season value can be. I'm looking at this guy as a plug and play high end RB2 going forward now because the threat of a passing game with Joe Flacco is going to open up those lanes for Chase Brown. We saw he was just getting pummeled in the backfield because there was no threat of a passing game. And very similar to what we were just talking about with Derrick Henry. Like they were just loading eight guys in the box. There was nothing for him to do. So looking at Chase Brown right now, some guys that I'd be happy to trade away for him, Jaylen Warren, who I think is a very good running back, but I think that Chase Brown just has a higher ceiling than Warren does. Both these Seattle running backs kind of a common theme here. Like I'm looking to move off of Ken Walker and Zach Charbonnet where I can Radre Stevenson coming off a big game. I would trade him away for Chase Brown and then Jameson Williams and. And you know, we can talk about some other wide receivers but you know, I'm looking at Chase Brown not to be the top five guy he was drafted to be, but still viewing him as a volume play high end RB2 going forward.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I mean I just, I didn't mention Chase Brown because I have mentioned him so many times already that I feel like I kind of just needed to get off the bandwagon a little bit, just let it happen. But he looked fresh, he looked better. The, the offense obviously looked very different. This is a different team with Joe Flacco on there. That's my only fear is that like the buy low window for any of these players has completely shut. Right. Because like Joe Flacco looked good in a prime time game. This wasn't one of those that got lost in the Sunday shuffle and you're like, okay, chase brown, like 12 fantasy points. Decent, you know, but not great. This is one of those. You're like, ooh, Bengals offense could be good. I'm just going to keep holding on to Chase Brown.
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Dave Kluge
Did you see?
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Alfredo Brown
I'm with you.
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Dave Kluge
There was a really funny clip going around Joe Flacco after the game. Did you see? I think I saw it on Instagram this morning. So I can't give credit to whoever did it, but it was a really funny moment where Joe Flacco was talking about his first practice with the Bengals and He's like, I'm 40 years old. He's like. And I was, like, nervous. Like, I had butterflies throwing the ball to Jamar Chase out there. He's like, in my first throw, you.
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Alfredo Brown
Don'T want to let him down, right?
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Dave Kluge
And he's like, in the first throw, he's like, you know, he's running a skinny post. He's like. And he went a little bit deeper than flatter. He's like. So I threw the ball expecting him to break in a little bit more, and he went a little bit deeper on it. He's like. And I throw the ball, it comes up short. He's like. In my head, I'm just like, oh, no, this guy's gonna think I suck. Don't look bad in front of the cool kids. Like a 20 year vet. And he's like, talking about getting butterflies throwing the ball.
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Alfredo Brown
Super bowl mvp.
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Dave Kluge
Yes. Yes. I thought that was just, like, a very funny moment.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, man. It's. I mean, hearing him talk about, like, he's calling plays that he doesn't quite know in the huddle, like, he's hearing them calling them. He's like, I don't even know what it is, but, like, we're gonna run it.
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Dave Kluge
We're gonna see how it goes out there somewhere.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, dude, I mentioned it, like, two weeks ago or whenever. The first start was is that Flacco and Chase had this really good rhythm, this really good timing on these outbreaking routes towards the sideline. And then they kept spamming that over and over and then just kept spamming slants, like it did not matter what coverage the defense was in. It was slant season for Jamarchi. He's the new slant boy of the NFL while Joe Flacco is there, and I'm here for it.
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Dave Kluge
Did you see Flacco's face on the drop that he had in the fourth quarter?
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Alfredo Brown
Yes. It was so good.
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Dave Kluge
So funny. He's like. Like, you weren't supposed to do that.
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Alfredo Brown
He looked like a. He looked like a YouTube thumbnail.
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Dave Kluge
Exactly.
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Alfredo Brown
100.
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Dave Kluge
Good stuff. That was a fun game.
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Alfredo Brown
So we talk about some elite talent there. I want to talk about another guy who's an elite talent but has been kind of forgotten throughout this season because of injuries because he just hasn't been on the field. And it's Brock Bowers, who is a guy that I just. I want to take the big swing on. We've been talking week after week about how bad the tight end landscape is. And then, like you mentioned yesterday, Dave, every time we get into the waiver wire, we're like, oh, this is the, finally the tight end. Some of them have panned out for the most part. Their flashes in the pan and it goes back to whatever. If I have any kind of opportunity to go out and get a guy like Brock Bowers, I want to make that swing right now because it can change my season. And I mentioned the expected fantasy points. Guess what? Brock Bowers, number two in net expected fantasy points versus actual fantasy points. Now, smaller sample size I get, I get the concerns with the Raiders, but this is why you go and buy him. Because there are all these concerns, because there is the injury, because there's everything going on. Like the vibes around the Raiders are atrocious right now.
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Dave Kluge
Now.
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Alfredo Brown
But the good thing is this. Brock Bowers is not like your typical tight end. He's going to line up anywhere, all over the field. He can line up at wide receiver, he's moving around in the backfield, he's doing whatever. So Michael Mayer being productive doesn't actually worry me. Instead, it makes me happy to see that Michael Mayer's out there scoring 16 fantasy points in a game where the Raiders offense was just terrible. And then now we've got the Jacoby Myers trade that does still seem destined to happen. He was asked about it yesterday and he's just like, yep, I still want to be traded. Nope, I don't want to be here. He's like, but I do not control that. So you got the Raiders on a bye week. Like everything, all the stars have aligned for this price to be as low as possible missing time. The Raiders are bad. It's on the bye week. And the team that drafted him, drafted him probably in the first or second round, depending on how, how that draft went. They have been desperate, they have been losing. This has been probably the most frustrating pick for them. It's about time. They probably just want to move on.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah. And I traded for Brock Bowers a couple of weeks ago. You know, I was making some probably late, honestly. Yeah. And, and I wish I had waited a little bit longer because after like every game that I felt like he missed, like his value went down even further and further and further. But yeah, you know, this is, we, we know who Brock Bowers is. Like week one, we saw it was like the very end of the game, he had that non contact injury and kind of like we all panic. But I don't remember before that get 100 yards, 13 yards per target. Like he was, he was the Brock Bowers of old. Like he was a hyper, efficient guy pulling targets, making big plays and Then we saw when he was out there with that knee brace, like, there's one play that sticks out to me specifically, that was, like, just such an easy Brock Bowers touchdown. And, like, all you had to do is jump up and get it, which he does regularly. And he just, like, couldn't jump. And it was like, oh, that. That's not Brock Bowers. Like, there's no athleticism right there. Like, he. He can't jump. Like, he shouldn't even be on the field. And then, of course, was out for the next few weeks after that. So I think that resting up, he should come back from the buy looking different. The one little pause I have, and it's this voice in the back of my head because, you know, you always get this buyer's regret after making a trade for a big player. It's just Pete Carroll that he's just a dirty, dirty liar when it comes to injuries. Like, Chris Carson was one of my, like, favorite running backs in NFL history. And, like, I remember having this guy all throughout the off season, drafted him in all my best ball leagues because Pete Carroll was like, yeah, he's going to be good. He's going to be good. And I remember, like, one day, Pete Carroll comes out and he's like, he's progressing great. We're hoping to have him on the field soon. 24 hours later, he retired from the NFL with that neck injury. So that's like, I. I think the one thing in the back of my head is, like, I have been burned by Pete Carroll's blatant optimism for players who are, like, seriously injured. But most of what we've heard is that he should be back after the buy, and I hope that holds true.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a report right now from Sean Zittle of the Vegas Sports Today publication. Brock Bowers looking closer to full strength as the Raiders return to practice following a loss to the Kansas City Chiefs. He's got a sleeve on his leg but no brace. He's out there running at what looks like full speed and moving around. So if he doesn't come back, you know, against the Chiefs. Oh, no, I'm sorry. They just play the Chiefs. I'm sorry. If he doesn't come back in the following week after the buy, I don't.
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Dave Kluge
Know the Week 9 schedule. One week at a time.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, yeah.
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Dave Kluge
Whoever they're playing after this week.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, exactly. If he doesn't come back for that one, we're probably another week away. And the way I kind of look at it, Too here.
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Dave Kluge
Like no, no brace though. That's. That's big. Like getting out of that brace and practicing without a brace. That. That's huge.
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Alfredo Brown
100. It looks like they're non contact because they're not wearing pads, just helmets and jerseys. But that's also just how a lot of the season goes. I will say this, like, I think there's something too to like Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, all these guys, like they're on the hot seat. Everyone's jobs are on the line with how this season is going. I don't know why you wouldn't want to have your best player back in the lineup as soon as possible. So I do have my hopes up. It is always risky, guys. Like, I'm not going to say it's not risky to trade for a player who is coming off an injury on a bad offense. The risk is there. But that's why I'm calling these the big swings. These are the ones that are going to make or break your fantasy season. And for the most part we're kind of all at that point anyways. Like there's, there's, there's no moral victory for second place.
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Dave Kluge
Would you say the Raiders were a good offense last year? Alfredo Rock Bowers from hanging like 20 points per game in fantasy. Like they're going to be bad. Brock Bowers is good. Yeah, we're not overthinking this one unicorn.
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Alfredo Brown
All right, last guy you are buying.
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Dave Kluge
Here in fantasy copy and paste from last week. I'm just still going to say Stefan Diggs. And I'm sorry for people who watched last week's episode and are looking for fresh takes and fresh opinions. But Stefan Diggs still to me is one of the biggest buys in fantasy football. Fourth in yards per route run. He was third last week. But Rashid Rice came in here and just immediately topping the charts in targets per route run, as you can imagine. So fourth in targets per route run behind Rashi Rice, Jackson Smith, the Jigba and Cooper Cup. He's third in yards per route run behind Jackson, Smith, Najigba and Pukinakua. I mean this guy has. I said Cooper Cup. I meant Pukinakua. I don't know why I said Cooper cup there. Puka Kua. He's fourth in targets per route run. So this guy on a per route run basis has been one of the best receivers in football. The issue of course is that he is 73rd in routes run. He just isn't getting that full snapshare yet. And this is an older player On a new offense, coming back from a knee injury towards ACL last year. This game in week eight will be the first time that he's played a full year removed from the injury, which is typically what we look for when we're coming back from these ACL injuries. So I think there's a couple of reasons here that he's not getting a full snapshare. One could be that he's just an older guy coming back from an injury. Two, could be that he doesn't block at all. So they only use him in obvious passing down situations and I think that's probably a little bit more likely. But either way, like we are seeing, Drake may look like one of the best quarterbacks in football right now and nobody has stepped up as the primary pass catcher. We've seen these boom games from Hunter Henry and Keisha Booty and demario Douglas. But I think if one guy is going to establish himself as that go to weapon, it's going to be Stefan Diggs the same way that he did for Josh Allen early in his career. So again, you know, looking to trade for him where I can. Jameson Williams is going to be a common theme of guys that I'm trying to trade away. On today's show. I would trade Jameson Williams away. I trade away Matthew Golden, DJ Moore, Terry McLaurin, those are all guys that I would be happy to move if I'm getting Stefan Diggs in return.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I just like we said last week, I want pieces of this New England Patriots offense and I do think Diggs ends up being the guy that probably has the best floor for targets here and there is some exc like I do think that he fits in nicely as a wide receiver three weekly for you and there have been guys like a lot of the names you mentioned, D.J. moore, Jameson Williams that have been giving you wide receiver three or worse production on a weekly basis. But they have the wide receiver two name and that's the thing is like you could trade a name that's a wide receiver two giving you wide issue for production and get a wide receiver three like Stefan Diggs in return. Stefan Diggs, I'm down.
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Dave Kluge
He's a name too but I think he's like anymore a dusty wide receiver 3 date is what people think when they think of Stefan Diggs when the reality is when he's on the field, when he's running routes, he's still performing like an elite wide receiver one it's just that he's not a full time player right now. Maybe that changes Maybe it doesn't. But like at worst you're trading for Stefan Diggs who is a wide receiver three right now. At best you're getting a guy who at the end of the season could heat up, you know, far removed from that ACL tear and return wide receiver one value.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I think when we say like a name. There have been so many times where fantasy managers are burned by a DeAndre Hopkins late in the career, a Tyler Lockett late in the career. A lot of these guys that have been good for so long, they're just, just gone. But for every one of those, there's, there's a Keenan Allen, there's a Stefan Diggs, there's a devonte Adams, there's these guys that hang on for a long time. I'm gonna give you my last player to buy. And it's funny that you mentioned being willing to sell DJ Moore because my player to buy is gonna be Roma Dunze here.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah.
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Alfredo Brown
Who? I still see him. Listen, he is the number one wide receiver in this offense who we are going to be suffering from a little bit of recency bias here. Dave. He was a victim of a bad penalty on a would be touchdown two weeks ago. He was then a victim of bad game script for the Bears last week where they get up 200 in the first half. You're obviously not going to try to keep passing as much, especially if you're having success running the ball. So this is two games back to back where it's just happenstance where we're not seeing the same Roma dunes we did throughout the earlier parts of the season. I think a lot of people are going to point to it and say the touchdowns aren't there anymore. That's what's going away. We're getting the regression to the mean could have had a touchdown two weeks ago. We don't know what could have happened in last week's game with a different game script. I'm not saying we need to plan for touchdowns every week, but when you're, when you have a guy who is the number one wide receiver on a team that the offense has actually been flourishing at times, I'm going to take that because you have the, the ability, the chance for a touchdown every single week and that's on top of the target volume that he's receiving. You've got Cole Comet injured. He's still the team's leading target earner and he's got one of the easiest schedules over the next five weeks for a fantasy wide receiver. I think Roma Dunese Is a nice buy low in this window here.
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Dave Kluge
There. Yeah, I'm completely with you. Would you rather have AJ Brown or Roma Dunte rest the season? That was one where I really, really struggled doing my rest of season rankings this week.
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Alfredo Brown
That's a tough one, man. Yeah, you're. I'm gonna end up having one directly above the other in a ranking and it's gonna flip flop by next week. So like that's right. That's probably one of those. If I got offered that, like I would just stand pat. We're good. We're good here. No trade. Needed it.
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Dave Kluge
But I think like they're, they're. To me, when I'm looking at rest of season value, it does feel like there's like a pretty big fall off once you get outside of the top 12 and inside like the end of the top 12 for me. Devonte Adams, Rashi Rice, AJ Brown, Roma Dunes A, Nico Collins after that. Then I look at Tetaro McMillan, Ameka Buka, George Pickens, Xavier Worthy, Jalen Waddle, like those are all guys that like, it does feel like there's a very clear bunch of white. Oh my God.
- [26:06]
Alfredo Brown
Jalen Waddle right now. I didn't, I don't. We didn't put him as our cell. Trade him now. There you go. Nine players for this episode.
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Dave Kluge
Those are all guys though, that I think, like there's a big enough gap that even though they're like 1, 2, 3 spots behind Roma Dunes A. When I'm looking at Tedro McMillan, Mecca Buga, George Pickens, Xavier Worthy, Jalen Waddle, I would package any of those guys up with like a low end starter and I can't think of a name off the top of my head or like, you know, an injury away back, you know, somebody that has some sort of value. If you can trade one of those guys plus another player and get a Roma Dunes A in return, I feel like you're getting a guy who's a plug and play wide receiver. One like had he not had that ticky tack penalty calling back a touchdown a couple of weeks ago, Roman Dunes would be like a top three fantasy wide receiver right now and everyone would be over their skis. But just, you know, a weird game script. Last week, a touchdown called back on a penalty the week before and people are forgetting how awesome this guy was before the buy. I'm completely with you. Ramadunze is a great buy.
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Alfredo Brown
I got one for you. If you want to sell for an injury away back that you can pair with somebody. Oh no, that's a nice one. That's a nice one. Yeah. I think the Treveon Henderson, like, that train has left the station. It's gone beyond the Dennis meme. Like, it cannot go lower. Like, it's just nobody wants it.
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Dave Kluge
Which I would say at this point, I'm almost willing to buy Trayvon Henderson just because everybody's panicking. Like, because we're like, for nothing. Yeah, I mean, like, everybody. Like, we saw Terrell Jennings come in and out touch him last week, and I don't know what was going on, but, like, I think we are at the point that everybody is overcorrected. Like, I'm seeing Travy and Henderson getting dropped in leagues through, like, last night's waivers. Like, yeah, I think we've probably overcorrected with Travion Henderson to the point that, like, I'll, I'll buy him if nobody else is.
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Alfredo Brown
I sent Bam Knight to the manager in my league. That was Trevian Henderson, and I have not heard back yet. I'll let you know what happens.
- [27:53]
Dave Kluge
I mean, yeah, if you can pull that off. I mean, yeah, that probably means Henderson's one of the biggest buys in fantasy if that's what people are selling him for.
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Alfredo Brown
It's. It's, it's magic. It's magic. Look at that. We're 10 players. Keep over delivering on everything that we're doing. Yeah, that's what we do. So, yeah, I'm going to Zach Charbonne here as a guy that I just want to sell. I just, I just went off the roller coaster. Like, I went off the ride. It seemed fun where you're like, okay, he's an injury away back high contingent upside. But that's not happening. And a lot of it is because of this plan that the Seahawks staff had talked about in the preseason is like, we want to keep everyone healthy. Now, listen, injuries can happen at any point, right? The Zach Charbonnet thing is like, you're going into each week and you don't want to start him because you don't know how many touches he's going to get. You don't know how good or bad the Seahawks offense is going to be. You can't even predict when he's going off. He gets the two touchdowns in this last game after being horribly inefficient for four straight games in a row where he was unstartable. And this is against the Houston Texans defense that is actually really good against running backs. And it was just a very weird game script. Seahawks get up early. They just Run the clock out with their running back. So this is another one where it's I, I want to cash in on the two touchdown game on the touches. This kind of stinks that the running backs are stuck in a 50, 50 split. I just, in every single word here. I just want off the ride. I want off the Zach Charbonnet ride. I get the contingent upside, but for me, the value is that he is a bench player for someone else. They might see him as a starter, as an RB2, because of these touchdowns. And that's the thing is, if I can go and I can get one of the players we've mentioned earlier for Zach Charbonnet, I'm in on that.
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Dave Kluge
So I'll. I'll disagree with you a little bit on this one, Alfredo. And I'm sorry. I like, I like when we agree and I think sometimes the disagree, you know, it just opens up a good conversation here. I still think Charbonnet is a really good player. And, and we got to remember, I.
- [29:43]
Alfredo Brown
Didn'T say he's a bad player, but he's been a very inefficient player.
- [29:47]
Dave Kluge
So he was knocked out early in week two with a foot injury. And I think that, that, I mean, like, I'm willing to look at his entire body of work, like what he did through his first two years in the league more than what he's done over the last few weeks. So many people are quick to point to the yards per attempt as, like, you know, the big knock against him, but he averaged four yards per attempt in week one, and then he got injured and it's been down since. And then it rebounded last week to 4.1 yards per attempt, the highest of the season. So I do think that a lot of his deficiencies that we've seen through the last month or so are just him coming back from that foot injury. I think he's a good running back. And I. I have been preaching the gospel about Zach Sharpide for years. I'm just such a fan of this guy.
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Alfredo Brown
So indoctrinated at this point. I knew this was coming too. I just, I was. I was gonna be more shocked if you said, I agree, and we moved on.
- [30:34]
Dave Kluge
Yeah. And really, I'm just. I'm chalking it up, his injuries and, like, maybe I'm a fool for doing that, but, like, this guy has. He came back from an injury and he was not efficient. But what we've seen are two years of good efficiency leading up to this. So they clearly like him. And, and that was a Surprise to me. I mean everything we heard like my, my pre draft stance was like get Ken Walker because Clint Kubiak was just gushing about him. I didn't expect to see this 50, 50 split but I think that it makes sense and it's working for them. Like The Seahawks are 5 and 2 right now. I think having Ken Walker kind of being that home run guy, Zach Charbonnet being the short down and distance guy, the guy who can come in at the goal line, I, I think it is a very good sy relationship between the two of them. So I'll, I'll push back a little bit. I think that a lot of people are going to try to sell high off of that two touchdown game and if people are selling, I'll buy.
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Alfredo Brown
I just don't want it. Like I don't want a touchdown dependent running back three that I never gonna know when to start on an offense that they have their good weeks but they're not a consistently high scoring offense. They are, they're winning you know, 20 to 17 games every week. This is not a team that's going out and can consist of instantly putting up, you know, 30 plus points. So.
- [31:38]
Dave Kluge
Right.
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Alfredo Brown
I just, yeah, it's just gonna be you and me would be a perfect trade partner in this scenario. Like I'm, I want off the Zach Charbonature. For that matter, I want off the Ken Walker train as well. Like I'm just saying it's just the value there is probably worse because he didn't have a two touchdown game and the expectations were so much higher.
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Dave Kluge
And I'm buying Ken Walker too. I think that like I, I just got sicko. I got Ken Walker in a guillotine league this morning. Like he was chopped and you know you get the thousand dollar budget that you could spend over the entire year.
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Alfredo Brown
You'Re getting chopped next week.
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Dave Kluge
And the thing, I don't even need to start him. Like I'm, I'm flush with running backs right now. I got Jonathan Taylor and Rashad White, but I'm just. And it was one of those like I threw in a low bid thinking that I wouldn't even get him out of a thousand dollar budget. I put 71 on Zach Charvin and I got him. The next closest bid was $2. And this is an active league. I think everybody is just like wants so like nothing to do with Kenneth Walker and I think that we have overcorrected and this is a sharp leak too. Like this is a lot of like fantasy football experts and like you know, everybody was putting bids in and on all the other places, but Ken Walker was just completely overlooked in this league. And I feel like a fool for bidding 71 on him when I could have got him for three. But it's just kind of crazy to me how, like, everybody has just completely written off Kenneth Walker and Zach Sharpide on what's one of the best run games in the NFL right now. It's just to me, like, there's still contingent upside with either these guys. If Charbonnet goes down, Walker's a league winner. If Walker goes down, sharpen, he's a league winner. And you might not feel great about starting them on a weekly basis, but there's still elite contingent upside.
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Alfredo Brown
Yeah, but that's it. Like we're. It's so. It's like you're almost talking about these guys. Like, they are really hot commodities to me. This is. Now they're both in Tyler Algier territory.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah.
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Alfredo Brown
Really high contingent upside. Like, that's not sexy for me. That's not swinging my team right now. That does fill up my bench nicely and it makes me feel good about insurance policies. But. But that's not where I drafted Ken Walker. That's not what I. What I wanted out of Zach Charbonnet. I either wanted to, like, keep him my bench, or no, I can start him because Walker is out. That's the thing is, like, both these guys become equally as ineffective for my fantasy team because if you start them, you're getting eight points. If you bench them, you're getting eight points. There's just like, there's nothing there unless one of them gets hurt. So for me, like, the value is it's all contingent upside. Like you said. I just have enough of those guys. I have enough of them, which is why, like, I'm willing to. And of course, maybe you can't have enough, right? Like, you can do a whole bench full of.
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Dave Kluge
I've got him a few ticks ahead of Algeria because Algeria is like completely game script dependent. Like, there's only some games where they have the lead where. Yeah, like, it doesn't feel great, like putting them in your lineup. But especially now, like, we're in the heat of bye weeks where, like, bye weeks are just terrible for the next month of the season that Zach sharpened Ken Walker. You might be able to do better in your flex, but they're still flex worthy guys as injuries and buys are hitting us. And there's the elite contingent upside. There just aren't a lot of running backs that you're getting that from. So I don't know, maybe I'm a sucker, but I, I like this Kubiak offense. I like the talent level with both of these guys. So I'm, I'm still buying Ken Walker and Zach Charbonnet. And again, maybe, maybe I'm just a sucker, but that's what, where I'm at.
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Alfredo Brown
Both things can be true. People can be willing to buy them and you can still be sucker.
- [34:46]
Dave Kluge
Yep.
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Alfredo Brown
I'm trying to look up something I was going to ask you. No, never mind.
- [34:52]
Dave Kluge
Fine.
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Alfredo Brown
He's. He's awful. All right, let's go to the last. I was curious about Woody Marks right now. That's not going well. Let's go to the last player that you are looking to sell right now, Dave.
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Dave Kluge
Brian Thomas Jr. And this is a solo. It is. And maybe this isn't what I should be doing, but I'm starting to get very, very worried here. And again, like I try so often and I know like every time we do this show, this, this trade show, Everybody in the YouTube comments hates me me on this episode because I, I don't try to do what everybody else is doing. Like what everybody's saying buy a player. I'm trying to sell that player and vice versa because I feel like everybody has the same information and I feel like you gain your edges from doing the opposite. So many people are just pointing to the target total and last year's production with Brian Thomas Jr. And saying that it makes for a good buy low. And logically I get it. Like there is reason to buy Brian Thomas Jr. I'm getting worried though. And like last year, we know the story from last year. So much of his production came late in garbage time, late in the season when the, the year was over for the Jaguars and Mac Jones was starting. Exactly. And like we've seen like Mac Jones, like he just did this with Kendrick Bourne. Like he got Kendrick Bourne to back to back 150 yard games. Like he's willing to just rip the ball downfield. And it doesn't make for good football, but it makes for fun fantasy football production. And I've talked about it so much this season. But Liam Cohen is just asking Brian Thomas Jr. To play in a role that he is not, not fit for. He's not a guy who can run these traffic heavy routes across the middle of the field. And now we see the Travis Hunter breakout and this isn't just like a fluke. Like it wasn't one big play from Travis Hunter. He called, he pulled 14 targets. Last week, Ryan Heath pointed this out, but he has ran more routes over the last two weeks than any wide receiver in football. So, like, Travis Hunter is now a full time wide receiver. And I said it a couple of weeks ago that I think Travis Hunter is just simply a better wide receiver than Brian Thomas Jr much to the dismay of YouTube commenters and I'm sure they'll let me hear it again here. But I'm starting to worry that Brian Thomas Jr. Isn't the wide receiver one that a lot of people hoped he'd be. And I know, like you drafted him at the end of the first round. We saw the production and the rookie year breakout, but I'm starting to get the feeling that he's kind of like a fancy Jameson Williams, Alec Pierce type of player where he can run that nine route and he could have those big boom games, but he isn't a guy who has this fully developed route tree that can do it all. So I'm not trying to sell super low. Like, I'm not saying that you need to get Brian Thomas Jr. Off of your team, but I put together a list of a few players that I would happily trade Brian Thomas Jr. Away for. Let me know what you think of this list here. Alfredo Quentin Johnston, say flowers. DK Metcalf, Garrett Wilson, who's injured right now, but we know he's got top 10 upside when he's back. Travis Etiquette, who is coming off of a handful of bad games. DeAndre Swift in an improved Bears run defense. Those are all players that I would trade Brian Thomas Jr. Away for right now. I don't think you're selling like super low, low, low. But I think you can get a high end wide receiver too, or a high end RB2 in. I don't know if Brian Thomas Jr. Is going to do that this year.
- [37:48]
Alfredo Brown
Every single one of those players you just listed made me go, yeah, Brian Thomas included. Like, I just, I just didn't feel great about any of them.
- [37:56]
Dave Kluge
You want to feel good about getting Z Flowers?
- [37:58]
Alfredo Brown
Yeah, for sure. Zay Flowers. Yeah, yeah, that. That one's. That one's different. I think that's the one. If I could do Brian Thomas for Zay Flowers straight up, I'm doing that 100%.
- [38:07]
Dave Kluge
And I think the DK Metcalf, I think that is like, you want to talk about a comp like, like a player comp. I think Brian Thomas Jr. Is a very similar player to DK Metcalf, just with a little bit less speed and athleticism in size, but like they do very similar things. Like we, we, we wishcasted for years that DK Metcalf would become this well rounded, versatile receiver and it just never really happened. Like DK Metcalf is who he is, a guy who has great straight line speed, who can make contested catches downfield and that's what Brian Thomas Jr. Can do as well. So when I'm looking at the two, DK Metcalf doesn't have a wide receiver too in Pittsburgh. I also have more faith in Aaron Rodgers right now than I do in Trevor Lawrence. So if we're looking at basically DK Metcalf on a worse offense with stiffer target competition, that's kind of what I'm seeing in Brian Thomas Jr. Right now.
- [38:51]
Alfredo Brown
Yeah, I think that's the thing you said. There is the faith in Trevor Lawrence. I think that's all gone. I think that's gone from so many people. I think the Jaguars need to be thinking about that too at this point. Like what kind of faith do you have in this quarterback? It's.
- [39:04]
Dave Kluge
I think about it. But they're, they're tied to a hefty contract, so they can.
- [39:07]
Alfredo Brown
I know.
- [39:08]
Dave Kluge
But they're stuck with it.
- [39:10]
Alfredo Brown
I know. Same way. Yeah.
- [39:11]
Dave Kluge
Same with the Dolphins.
- [39:12]
Alfredo Brown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, now it's the end of the show and I'm sad. So this is going to be the part where we wrap it up and Dave and I will be back again tomorrow giving you our tiers and rankings for Week 8, the running backs and wide receivers. As always, I want to thank everybody for watching or listening all the way through. If you are on YouTube, please take a moment to like this video. Comment down below with your questions, your thoughts. If you're listening on on Apple or Spotify, take a moment to leave a five star review. It means the absolute world to us. For myself, for Dave, I want to thank you all. We'll see you next time. Adios.
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