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Episode: Dave Kluge Is WRONG About These Players || Fantasy Football 2025
Date: July 22, 2025
Hosts: Alfredo Brown (“A”) & Dave Kluge (“B”)

Overview

In this episode, Alfredo Brown gleefully calls out his co-host Dave Kluge’s most debated fantasy football player takes for the 2025 season. The premise: Dave is much higher or lower than consensus ADP on seven key players. Alfredo approaches this with mock outrage and playful shaming, while Dave stands firm, providing his detailed rationales. The show is fast-paced, with frequent laughs and deep dives into why consensus isn’t always right.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Format

• Structure: 4 players Dave likes more than consensus, 3 he likes less.
• Goal: Spark debate, challenge groupthink, and provide in-depth reasoning for contrarian rankings.

Players Dave Likes More Than ADP

1. DeAndre Swift (CHI RB)

ADP: RB24 | Dave’s Rank: RB17

• Rationale:
  • Swift is being drafted at his floor despite being a per-game RB24 or better every year [04:06].
  • Bears’ improved O-line, offensive additions (Ben Johnson as coach, Colson Loveland and Luther Burden), and opportunity for more volume.
  • Narrative that Ben Johnson “hates” Swift is overblown — injury in 2022 derailed his role, not coaching malice.
  • “At worst, DeAndre Swift is going to be a low-end RB2. At best, he could be a top five or top eight running back in this offense...” (B, 04:27)
• Notable Banter:
  • Alfredo: “Did you just say DeAndre Swift can be a top five or top eight running back...?” [04:40]
  • Alfredo: “You're disgusting. ... I like that this is an episode where I can openly call you an idiot for that one.” (04:46)
• Draft Approach: Dave often drafts Swift a round or more ahead of consensus [05:10].

2. Rashad White (TB RB)

ADP: RB42 | Dave’s Rank: RB30

• Rationale:
  • Late-season Bucky Irving breakout overshadowing White’s continued volume and contingent upside [10:11].
  • White is still primary pass catcher with top-5 upside if Irving goes down; last year’s reduced workload led to improved efficiency.
  • “He was a top five running back just two years ago… this year you can get him at a massive discount.” (B, 12:09)
• Notable Banter:
  • Alfredo: “He’s being drafted as a running back 42… That’s got to be like, what, three rounds later… That’s crazy.” [10:11]
• Shift in Value: Last year he was a major fade at RB8-12; at present value, Dave actively targets him [12:58].

3. Tetairoa McMillan (CAR WR)

ADP: WR28 | Dave’s Rank: WR22

• Rationale:
  • Top-10 rookie WRs have a strong hit rate (about 65%) for top-24 seasons [18:41].
  • McMillan is the archetype X receiver that Carolina desperately needs; allows other WRs to fit in proper roles.
  • Late-season Panthers and Bryce Young improvement signal rising offensive potential.
  • “A rookie getting drafted inside the top 10, I really want to have him on my team...” (B, 21:11)
• Agreement: Both hosts have McMillan even higher than ADP; expect his value to rise as draft season ramps up [21:21].

4. Mike Gesicki (CIN TE)

ADP: TE24 | Dave’s Rank: TE13

• Rationale:
  • Gesicki slotted as Bengals' top slot option by end of last season (higher than any other receiver) [27:00].
  • Over second half of 2024, was pacing for 104 targets; sees real upside as a preferred late-round TE.
  • “If you walk away with Tucker Kraft and Mike Gesicki, I’m feeling pretty darn good...” (B, 28:43)
• Contingent Value: Especially valuable if Chase/Higgins get injured.
• Draft Strategy Advice: Wait on TE and double-tap athletic, overlooked upside options if you miss the elite tier (Bowers, McBride, Kittle) [30:47].
• Alfredo’s Pushback: “If the Bengals have Mike Gesicki as one of their, like, top two target earners… something has gone horribly wrong.” (A, 29:13)

Players Dave Likes Less Than ADP

1. Jaylen Warren (PIT RB)

ADP: RB32 | Dave’s Rank: RB47

• Rationale:
  • Warren’s efficiency comes in a third-down/space role — limited upside for early-down work.
  • Steelers drafted Caleb Johnson, a Najee Harris replacement with more explosive ability [06:22].
  • “Jaylen Warren is never going to get the, the usage that we want to see in fantasy football.” (B, 08:11)
• Summary: Fun story, but no workhorse upside; off Dave’s board at current price [08:26].

2. Cam Scatteboo (NYG RB, rookie)

ADP: RB35 | Dave’s Rank: RB52

• Rationale:
  • Lacks speed and breakaway skills; likely to split with Tyrone Tracy, who has superior athletic profile and pass-catching skills [13:43].
  • Giants likely to be a low-scoring team; goal-line vulturing unlikely to provide steady value.
  • “If you want him to get 3 yards, he’s going to get you 3 yards. If you want him to get 5 yards, he’s going to get you 3 yards.” (B, 16:01)
• Alfredo’s Devil’s Advocate: Only way Scatteboo hits is if the Giants over-achieve and he lucks into a major goal-line role [15:32].

3. Chris Godwin (TB WR)

ADP: WR33 | Dave’s Rank: WR41

• Rationale:
  • Serious risk following a dislocated ankle (ending 2024 season).
  • Career splits: Godwin is top-tier from the slot, but Tampa drafted Emeka Egbuka (slot specialist); Godwin likely moves outside, where production craters [22:57].
  • “...If that forces Chris Godwin to get pushed outside, we’ve seen that he is more of a boomer-bust WR3...” (B, 24:07)
• Risk vs Reward: Younger options (Egbuka) are cheaper with real upside; Godwin’s ceiling is no longer as high.
• Alfredo’s Defense: Godwin’s ADP already bakes in risk; historic reliability gives him comfort at WR33 [25:10].

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Opening Banter

• Alfredo introducing the show’s premise:
  • “This is probably my favorite episode ... to just get to call you stupid for like 30 minutes.” (A, 01:15)
• Dave’s mock humility:
  • “I’ll say right now, if anybody makes me cry in the YouTube comments, free Footballguys subscription.” (B, 02:04)

DeAndre Swift’s Ceiling Hype

• “At best, he could be a top five or a top eight running back in this offense right now...” (B, 04:27)
• Alfredo: “You’re disgusting.” (A, 04:46)

Jaylen Warren Discussion

• “...we’ve seen him in this role for years now, and there just isn’t a ton of fantasy production there. The efficiency metrics do lie when you look at the context...” (B, 07:29)

Cam Scatteboo Skepticism

• “If you want him to get 3 yards, he’s going to get you 3 yards. And if you want him to get 5 yards, he’s going to get YOU 3 yards.” (B, 16:01)
• Alfredo: “Arizona State fans are going to be in the comments letting you know that you’re wrong.” (A, 16:58)

Big Rookie WR Flag Plant

• “A rookie getting drafted inside the top 10, I really want to have him on my team...” (B, 21:11)

Mike Gesicki as Tight End Target

• “...over the second half of the season, he was pacing for 104 targets, which is unbelievable.” (B, 27:00)
• “My favorite thing to do is just wait until the later rounds and double tap tight ends… But Mike Gesicki right now just being completely forgotten...” (B, 28:43)

Closing Roasts

• Alfredo summarizes: “He’s basically saying all of you watching are wrong and he’s right.” (A, 31:50)
• Dave: “Make me cry [in the comments] ...and you’re gonna get a free Footballguys subscription.” (B, 31:39)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 01:15 | Introduction to the “shaming of Dave Kluge” episode | | 02:33 | Overview: Four players Dave is higher on, three lower | | 02:49 | DeAndre Swift flag plant | | 05:10 | On reaching for Swift and how rankings differ from ADP | | 06:05 | Jaylen Warren fade | | 09:04 | Caleb Johnson vs. Najee Harris vs. Jaylen Warren | | 10:11 | Rashad White undervaluation, role after Bucky Irving | | 13:43 | Cam Scatteboo skepticism, Tyrone Tracy praise | | 16:01 | Cam Scatteboo’s “3 yards” quote | | 18:07 | Tetairoa McMillan bullishness, rookie WR hit rates | | 21:21 | Both hosts agree on McMillan’s target value in drafts | | 22:34 | Chris Godwin’s major fade; slot vs. outside role debate | | 27:00 | Mike Gesicki as an overlooked tight end | | 29:13 | Alfredo’s counter-argument to Gesicki’s upside | | 30:47 | Dave’s general TE strategy for 2025 | | 31:50 | Summary and invites for audience roasts |

Tone, Language, and Style

• Playful and irreverent: Constant mockery, self-deprecation, and audience engagement.
• Conversational but data-driven: Hosts blend statistical research, role projections, and personal observation.
• Engaged audience: Multiple prompts to “roast” Dave, leave comments, and participate in the community.

Summary Table: Dave’s Contrarian Players

| Player | Position | ADP | Dave’s Rank | Higher/Lower | Summary Reason | |---------------------|----------|----------|-------------|--------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | DeAndre Swift | RB | RB24 | RB17 | Higher | Floor is undervalued, new offense, ceiling for top 8. | | Rashad White | RB | RB42 | RB30 | Higher | Role + contingent upside, late-round value. | | Tetairoa McMillan | WR | WR28 | WR22 | Higher | Rookie pedigree, perfect team fit, volume river. | | Mike Gesicki | TE | TE24 | TE13 | Higher | Slotted in for heavy slot usage, late-round TE upside. | | Jaylen Warren | RB | RB32 | RB47 | Lower | No path to workhorse role, new competition. | | Cam Scatteboo | RB | RB35 | RB52 | Lower | No breakaway potential, backup skillset, prefer Tracy. | | Chris Godwin | WR | WR33 | WR41 | Lower | Post-injury, likely pushed outside, crowded depth chart. |

For Listeners Who Missed the Show

This episode is a must for fantasy drafters looking for value and sharp fades, especially if you want bold picks to challenge groupthink. The hosts break down context beyond surface stats: injuries, coach tendencies, role projections, and upside paths. Expect plenty of laughter, “you’re an idiot” jabs, and actionable advice for fantasy draft season.

Engage: The show openly invites you to roast Dave’s takes and join the community debate. And don’t forget: the sequel episode will put Alfredo’s contrarian takes under the microscope soon.