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Dave Kluge
We are about to compare these incoming rookies to some big NFL names and at least a couple of these are probably going to upset you a little bit, but please stick with us. Jeff L, Joey Wright and I are here today to discuss our biggest player comps and the rationale behind them. First up, Jeremiah Love. Now this was one of the hardest comps that I had to make in this year's rookie guide because he is such a unique player. Ultimately, I ended up settling on Darren McFadden as my player comp. Jeff, what are your thoughts with a Darren McFadden comp for Jeremiah Love?
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Jeff Bell
I enjoy this comp. I think the one that I see most often is probably Jameer Gibbs. And to me, I don't know that Jeremiah Love for all the the explosion is there that he's quite the level that Gibbs is maybe when it comes to fluidity, elusiveness, like type of more like one place one minute and like teleporting to the next, I don't know that he's quite in. Whereas McFadden is more of a powerful back that does have that explosion. And so I see Gibbs and I see Reggie Bush so often. So I really enjoyed you going with Darren McFadden here on this comp.
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Dave Kluge
And just to talk about what a unique player Jeremiah Love is, you know I'm opening up the show with my player comp which Ultimately I have to decide on one for the rookie guide, but the three that I was torn between are three wildly different players. Darren McFadden, which is like a big bruising speedster. But then I also saw some Jamal Charles in his game who is like just a pure speedster, contact balance, can get outside and blow defenses away. And then I also had Ladanian Tomlinson who is like a very shifty pass catcher, lateral ability, spin moves, all sort of that, all that sort of stuff. So this just goes to show the type of player that Jeremiah Love is like. I have three NFL legends in mind for my player comps and they are three completely different archetypes. But that is what we do is try to settle on one guy. That is a good comparison. If you're watching the show on YouTube, do us a favor, give us a thumbs up. Best way to help the show grow. I say it every single show and I'm going to continue saying it every single show. If you are watching and not subscribed already, what are you doing? Subscribe. Hang out with us for the entire off season. We've got a ton of awesome content coming your way over the next week. Joey and Jeff who are joining me today are going to be out here in Colorado. We're going to be setting this studio up into a little three person studio during the NFL draft. Doing live streams, watch parties, live stakes or live high stakes drafts. So much fun stuff happening. So subscribe here on the YouTube channel to hang out with us. And if you're listening on Apple Podcasts, please leave us a review and let us know what you think of the show. We love the feedback. Good or bad, it is all a gift. Next one we want to talk about here and this is. This was one of the harder players to comp. Mike Washington Jr. Ultimately I settled on Matt Forte. Now I don't think Matt Forte is the best comp in the world, but this is kind of a frame play style sort of comp. The big wide shoulders, the muscular arms, the very upright run and then they also like similar gait just with how they run. Now Matt Forte much more fluid, much more of a refined footwork in his game. Mike Washington more of a bludgeoning athlete that you didn't really see a lot of with Matt Forte. But this was one of the hardest players to come up with comp for because Mike Washington, there aren't a lot of guys with this size speed combo. Joey, what are your thoughts here on the Mike Washington Matt Forte comp?
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Joey Wright
Yeah, I think the comp what it makes the most sense to me is like the explosionary. I was watching Mike Washington's tape and, and the game gets Ole Miss and he had this second quarter touchdown where it was right at the beginning of the second quarter where he just finds a hole and explodes into the end zone. And I was watching it and I was like, okay, well that's why Dave said Matt Forte. It looked exactly like Matt Forte. It's like the computer is really spot on.
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Dave Kluge
And Forte, you know, one of the best pass catchers we've seen in recent history. I mean, we're not getting that from Mike Washington. We did see a lot of wheel routes, you know, catching the ball deep downfield from Mike Washington, which is promising for his NFL usage. But Matt Forte could run every RO book and make it look effortless. I think that's the biggest discrepancy here with this player comp. Jeff, I'm curious, do you have a better player comp like the other one that was kind of on my mind was Derrick Henry, but like, I feel like it's just blasphemous to comp anybody to Derek Henry.
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Jeff Bell
Well, first off, I think it's interesting to do this because we made these comps three months ago and we've learned a lot, we've seen a lot since then. So it's really, this is a fun exercise to revisit whether or not we still feel good about these comps. But I mean the, the one that Niall Davis is like an Arkansas back who's like the exact same at level athlete and like the exact same build as Mike Washington Jr. And we know that didn't work out. But if you're a longtime fantasy player or if you're like me and you used to build Madden teams like Niall Davis was a guy that you would have on every single one, it would be like Christine Day. Christine, Michael and Niall Davis were the two football nerds that we were just, you know, like this explosive athlete that if he can figure it all out, put it all together. I wish I had a better modern player comp for Mike Washington.
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Dave Kluge
But some of this speaks Isaac Carrendo is the derogatory comp. I've heard from a lot of people who lit up the combine, had all the measurables we want to see, but just really struggled with the fundamentals of running the ball.
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Jeff Bell
But it speaks to how interesting some of these prospects can end up being because you just don't see players like Mike Washington very often.
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Dave Kluge
Next guy that we're going to talk about here is Jadarian Prison the way we're going through these guys is the exact order that they are in in our rookie guide. So footballguys.com rookie guide be sure to check that out. We'll have all of the player comps there as well as stats, scouting reports, ideal theme fits, and so much more. It's 100 free right now. Like no, no tricks or anything. Just footballguys.com rookieguide and you're getting access to over 150 incoming prospects and our thoughts on them. Now that rookie guy does go behind a paywall after the NFL draft, so you got a couple days left to check this out. But footballguys.com Rock rookie guide and the next guy, our consensus RB3 is Jadarian Price and people are going to hate this comp and I apologize in advance, but Leon Washington was the first guy that I came up with. Similar size, similar athleticism and a lot of people see Leon Washington a round four pick and they say there's no way Jadarian Price is going to fall that far. And I agree. But I think that Leon Washington was just kind of ahead of his time. The contributions that he made on special teams, the explosives, the pass catching, that is what we see in Jadarian Price's film and his skill set. So this is one of the comps that I'm most proud of and I'm talking about Leon Washington, the player we saw in college, not the NFL player. You know, this was a very fun prospect whose college tape was littered with big plays. And I know there's a lot of Gibbs comps and really high end lofty comps for Jadarian Price. I am a little bit cooler on my outlook for Price than some of the other people. Jeff, what are your thoughts on this one? Because I know initially you weren't too crazy about it.
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Jeff Bell
I just crack a smile because Leon Washington is one of my favorite players and actually I'm Facebook friends with Leon Washington from back in the day when Facebook when you had to have a Edu email address and I went through and kind of friended some players that I really appreciated that were at in college and similar time when I was in college and Leon Washington was at Florida State at the time and Jay Cutler was at Vanderbilt at the time Jay Cutler moved on to bigger and better things. But actually to this day Leon Washington and I are still Facebook friends.
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Dave Kluge
Shout out Leon Washington. Joey, I don't know if you watched a lot of Leon Washington at Florida State. I mean this is a deep poll here, but you Know when I'm looking for athletics size speed comps, I just couldn't find one better than Leon Washington.
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Joey Wright
Yeah, I, I like the comp because you said like, you know, he didn't pan out in the NFL, but he was just before his time. And you see these guys that now are part of committees that just their specialized role in the committee they can really break out in. So I, I like the comp here but we know that these third down backs, they turn into even more now. So I like that. And you brought up the Florida State thing and yes, I remember him. Looks I'm a Gator fan and remember him just destroying the, the Gators at any chance he got. So best thing he ever did is get out of Tallahassee though. You know, that's true.
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Dave Kluge
I gotta shout out our friend Chev when I went on his show and dropped this player comp. He is a Florida State fan and he was just going absolutely not saying that, that I, that he liked this one quite a bit. Next count that I have, this one probably didn't age too well. I was, I was a huge Catering Allen fan early in the process. When we start doing all this, watching these guys back in January, Catering Allen was a guy that I really liked, you know, wildly productive and efficient during his time at Penn State. And I thought that, you know, the NFL would like him. It doesn't seem to be the case as we see him just falling further and further down mock drafts. But my initial count for him was Nick Chubb. Just a big bruising guy, Nick Chubb. You know, we remember him as the, the, the, the player that he was in the NFL but didn't have the best athletic testing coming into the league. You know, it was a guy who really won on footwork and patience and vision. And I see a lot of that in Caitron Allen's game as well. Now the more I watch, there are some frustrating things. I mean, Nick Chubb didn't have long speed. Cateran Allen has whatever, whatever the opposite of not having. Like he has terrible long speed. Like Nick Chubb could break away occasionally. Katrin Allen is never breaking away. So this is the high end comp. If Catron Allen can put on a few pounds and get faster. But as we're kind of settling into the process, I like this comp less and less by the day. Joey, is there any chance that Catron Allen can become a Nick Chubb type of player?
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Joey Wright
I mean, I think the reason maybe you pulled the comp out is it's the receiving game. Work. We're not expecting as much from K Tron Allen there. Big bruising, powerful movement. Like yeah, I think K TR can get there but like you said, he's got to put some weight on.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah.
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Dave Kluge
Jeff, was this me just like looking at this one through blinders because I really liked catering Allen?
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, probably. But you know I think it's fair to me. I don't think it's exactly there on a comp but he reminds me of Damian Pierce in terms of to me Catron Allen seems like a guy that is going to be have 1300 yards some random year for the Texans and we're going to be like yeah, here we go. And then like disappear. The next year is I feel like Catron Allen. That's the destiny that I see in K Tron Allen.
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Dave Kluge
Next up we've got Nick Singleton in my comp here and this is another one people are going to hate. But like I'm trying to comp to the prospect, not the outcome in the NFL. And my comp for Nick Singleton is Trey Benson and I know that is going to make people gag at the thought of it because Trey Benson, his NFL at least the start to his NFL career has been terrible. But we got to remember this guy was a day two pick and 99th percentile size adjusted speed. Nick Singleton was unable to do the athletic testing because of a broken foot that he suffered at the Senior bowl. But this guy is if he had the chance to do the athletic testing would be super sparked up, would probably have run inside the four fours has the size that we want to see as well. So it's kind of tough to do an exact comp without the combine testing. But to me when I just look at that size speed combo that Trey Benson had coming into the league, I see the same with Nick Singleton and I'm still very excited about his long term outlook even if he does fall a little bit because of the foot injury.
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Joey Wright
Yeah, you something I think you backed into and it's not part of like a comparison or anything but anybody that drafts Nick Singleton like Trey Benson, you're going to need to be patient. You know Trey Benson playing behind James Conner. While it's not exactly a comparison for athletic ability, if you're taking Singleton you're going to have to wait a little bit to see him pan out.
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Dave Kluge
Jeff, any thoughts here?
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Jeff Bell
Saw a report that he Singleton's running now and like working out now. So I think it's maybe the time time frames, not like writing out that entire rookie. I love the Benson Comp. And part of it too I think is on when you're looking at the players on the mental side because there seems to be mental hurdle potentially with Trey Benson that's getting in the way of him. And I think that when you look at what happened last year with Nick Singleton, there might have been some mental hurdles that got in the way of Nick Singleton delivering. So I think there's levels to this and it's one of my more favorite ones that you put together.
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Dave Kluge
This next one that we have coming up is one of my favorite ones as well. Jonah Coleman, I comped him to Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Now Clyde Edwards Delair went in round one. I don't think he ever should have been a round one running back. For anybody who doesn't remember historically, this was a young Patrick Mahomes who had just been given a huge contract and they kind of let him make the pick. Most people had like around 3 grade on CH. But there's a reason that Patrick Mahomes is throwing the ball in the NFL and not scouting talent because CH never should have been around one pick. He's one of those guys who can kind of do everything average or slightly above average, but doesn't have any one defining standout trait. It's like his best skill is not being really bad at anything, but with that comes not being really good at anything. Maybe I'm just being like too derogatory right now towards Jonah Coleman's skill set. I think he is a fine player and he was obviously very productive at Washington, but I think in the NFL he doesn't have the athleticism we want to see. He isn't like a pure pass catcher, he isn't a pure power back. I do fear that he just kind of falls into this like tweener role where he can be serviceable and fill in as needed. But I don't think that he's going to have that same three down skill set in the NFL that he was afforded in college.
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Joey Wright
Yeah, Jonah Coleman feels like a guy that in two years is going to pop up on the waiver wire in a fill in week and he's going to be a star for three weeks.
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Jeff Bell
That's.
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Dave Kluge
And I think if he's given that volume, like if he lands, all running backs are victims of their situation for good or bad. And I think that if he is given the opportunity to be a three down back he can do it. But I don't think that he has that game breaking skill set that can push him into being an elite RB one, it's just like, hey, we need somebody to handle 25 touches this week and Coleman can do that for us.
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Jeff Bell
Wasn't your first comp for him, Doug Martin?
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Dave Kluge
It was, yes. And then the more I watched, the less explosives I saw. And a lot of times I saw him getting chased downward. That's the difference Doug Martin did. His standout defining trait was his speed. He could finish runs. Jonah Coleman can't. So I think that the poor athletic testing knocked him from being a Doug Baldwin type of prospect to a CEH type of prospect.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, I think that's good and I think that it's something falling somewhere in between those two players I think is nice there for Coleman. I do think that there's, you can make the argument there's a three down skill set, but the overall offense, the overall athletic limitations probably play in next one we have.
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Dave Kluge
This is without a doubt my favorite comp that I came up with this year. And this was before the NFL combine when everybody was saying Ahmad Bradshaw is going to be the next Jameer Gibbs Breece hall type of player. Jeff, you and I talk about this so often. We see these big runs in college and we say, yeah, he's, you know, ripping off these runs against guys who are going to be accountants for Wells Fargo next year, like this guy. Like these aren't runs that are going to be 80 yard touchdowns at the NFL level. And that's what I saw so much of with Ahmad Bradshaw just afforded massive workload behind a good offensive line at Nebraska. Now all this to say I think about Bradshaw or I'm sorry Emmett Johnson
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Jeff Bell
is called him a mod Bradshaw three times.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, that's, that's the comp. It is just like in my mind they are the same player. But Emmett Johnson, vision based runner, good pass catching chops, good lateral movement. And if you look at the athletic testing, you look at the size, he is almost a clone of Ahmad Bradshaw. Now Ahmad Bradshaw, small, unathletic, but the vision, the patience, all that allowed him to play in the NFL for almost a decade. I think Emmett Johnson is going to have a very similar path to Ahmad Bradshaw.
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Jeff Bell
They're coming for you, Dave. I'm telling you right now in the comments. I, I think Bradshaw was a sub 44 guy. He was a 439 guy and he was the thunder, the lightning with that Brandon Jacobs backfield. So I feel like that to me it's more like a mere Abdullah and that's me probably doubling down on Nebraska running backs. That's where I feel like on Johnson, I hear you. I do. But I think with what we got out the athletic test tank Bradshaw was more of a sub 4, 4 guy.
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Dave Kluge
He ran a 4, 6, 6 at the combine and maybe, maybe there's some context there. He definitely felt like. And maybe that's just because Brandon Jacobs was such a. Like he felt it might have been. Yeah. And that's why I was really surprised. I looked up Ahmad Bradshaw's relative athletic score, 3.85. He was a 38th percentile athlete with a 4, 6 6, 40 yard dash.
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Jeff Bell
Good job.
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Dave Kluge
Well in the three cone and shuttle drill, which is what Emmett Johnson also did well in, but just didn't have that long speed. So very, very similar athletic profiles coming out of the combine, which is kind of reinforced my idea that that's who he could be. Joey, any thoughts on Emmett Johnson? He has probably become one of the most polarizing running backs in this class. I've seen him ranked anywhere from RB2 to RB8 and anywhere in between.
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Joey Wright
Yeah, you know, I think the one thing that Bradshaw had that we're gonna need to see Johnson develop is his run blocking. But outside of that, like we said that we like that he, even though he had a bad 40, he still did every single test. I think the combine he showed up. You gotta like that work, that work ethic. Not much more to add that with the you guys covered. I do think that people should come for Dave in the comments. Just because we want a lot of comments though, not because people need to go to Dave.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, we have learned recently that comments are great for the YouTube algorithm. You comment, we respond to your comments. The show gets pushed out to more people. So please let me know what a dunce I am for comping Emmett Johnson to Ahmad Bradshaw. I'm sneaking one more running back in here that is probably deeper than we should be going on this show, but this is another one that I'm just personally a little bit proud of. I comped Adam Randall to Cordero Patterson. This guy is 6 foot 3, 232 pounds, a former wide receiver, can make plays on special teams and sometimes you just get slapped in the face with a comp. I had watched like 30 seconds of Adam Randall film and I was like, this guy reminds me so much of Cordell Patterson. And then our Mike Kishuba goes to Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. He gets a chance to meet Adam Randall in person and says, is there the NFL player that you have modeled your game after? And he said, yeah, Cordero Patterson. So I felt so vindicated. In my comp here because that's who I see as well. Joey over.
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Joey Wright
Under.
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Dave Kluge
Do we get an Adam Randall breakout before or after his ninth year in the NFL?
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Jeff Bell
Before.
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Joey Wright
It's going to be under. He's my, I mean, I've talked about him all. He's my favorite player in this draft class at the value and I think it's because in fantasy, because this is a fantasy football show, anywhere he goes, he'll be able to be utilized and he'll probably be good at what he's going to do there. They need to catch balls on the backfield. Adam Ro can do that. You need to run down the middle of the field. He can do that. Like, I just really like the versatility that he has to be able to be like not a week one starter but, you know, year one. I think we're going to get some fantasy production from him and I think
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Dave Kluge
the floor with Adam Randall is zero. This guy might not make it off a practice squad, but where he's going in rookie drafts right now, you know, I was looking because I was prepping for a CBS show last week and I wanted to see where Adam Randall was ranked. I found websites that were going 50 deep with their rookies and Adam Randall wasn't included. I saw people going 24 deep on running backs and Adam Randall wasn't included. Me, I see a guy's second best size adjusted speed in the class. A guy who's a former wide receiver. Yeah, we've fallen for this trap with Tyrone Tracy and Antonio Gibson in the past. But I'm gonna keep throwing darts because if one of these guys does hit, he's gonna break fantasy football. Yeah.
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Jeff Bell
Any 24 running backs at the combine?
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Dave Kluge
No, that's it. There were 19, I believe at the combine.
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Joey Wright
People mad, but, but I still, still
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Dave Kluge
see people saying, you know, Jaden Ott, Kalyn Black, you know, I like these guys more than I like Adam Randall. And I don't know, I'm of the mindset that once you get to round three, round four in your rookie drafts, you know, you should just be going for ultimate upside. And who is more upside than the guy with the off the charts size adjusted speed and a pass catching profile?
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Jeff Bell
I mean he, that's where I hurt some feelings.
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Joey Wright
But I like him so much. I needed to. The trap that we were talking about earlier, I needed to trade up to the front of the front round because I was afraid he would be gone by the middle of the third. I was like, I gotta get that 301 to get him. And everyone called me an idiot. But when Adam Randall is starting on my fantasy squad and my flex spot, y' all are the idiots, not me.
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Dave Kluge
And remember, you YouTube audience, if you're watching, just call us all idiots at the comments. We, we appreciate all of the mob. Last one. We got here before a quick break.
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Jeff Bell
I lose my moment. But I just want to say, if you're going deeper than what's actually at the combine, I feel like you're probably doing a little bit too much. But if you're putting those guys above a lot of combat guys.
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Joey Wright
So.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, but Jeff, Jacori, Crosby, Merit, I don't know if you heard he didn't go to the combine last year. And look at what he did. He had, you know, two usable weeks in fantasy. All right, last one we want to talk about here. And this wasn't one that Jeff or I came up with. This was our Mike Khashuba who did the quarterbacks in the rookie guide. But this, I don't know if there is a better comp here. He came up with Matt Ryan as the comp for Fernando Mendoza. Almost identical sizes. A guy who is probably going to play in a pretty similar offense to what we saw from a lot of Matt Ryan throughout his NFL career as well. This is one of those that I don't think we need to talk about too much, you know, statuesque in the pocket. Yeah, we saw some rushing in college, but we see all these quarterbacks rushing in college, then a lot of them just turn that switch off once they hit the NFL. I'll be shocked if we ever see Fernando Mendoza rush for more than 300 yards. I would not be shocked if we see him pass for 4,500 or 5,000 in a single season. So love, love, love this comp from Mike Kashuba. Joey, any thoughts on this one?
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Joey Wright
Shout out to whoever in the rookie guide said if this was 2001, he'd be the prototypical quarterback. Yeah, I thought that was really, like, really spot on and like the type of humor that's not digging because it's really true. Like, you know, the league is changing a lot and he is. Does feel like a classic quarterback.
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Dave Kluge
I'm back with Jeff and Joey and we are talking about player comps for rookies, comparing them to some future or some. Some. Some past NFL legends. And now, Jeff, we have turned the page. First half of the show was the Dave Kluge show talking about all of my running back comps. Now we are going to talk about all of the wide receiver comps that you came up with as well as some of the tight end comps that Mike Kashuba came up with at the end of the show. But first one that we are going to talk about here, our consensus wide receiver 1 in the football guys rookie guide, Makai Lemon. And you are maybe the only person in the world not to compare him to Amanra Saint Brown. Why don't you reveal who your player comp was for Makai Lemon?
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, DJ Moore was my player comp and to me, I mean other than playing for usc, I feel like the Amon Rossi Brown comp falls flat because I just don't see Lemon being that immediate short area separator that that Amon Ross St. Brown is. I think that Makai Lemon, I know again we've talked about our friend Mike Khashuba on this show, but I've talked about with him and like Pocket Puka Nukua is kind of, I feel like where there's a lot of in in Makai Lemon's game. And so that's where looking at DJ Moore is a player that can win both inside and outside. A player that is more powerful probably than sudden after the catch. And I feel like that that's in Mikhail Lemon's game a little bit more than just the. The slot merchant that is Amon Ra Saint Brown.
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Dave Kluge
And we got to remember, Amon Ra was very limited to just playing out of the slot and that's why he was a day three pick. If Amon Ra had the skill set Makai Lemon did to play inside and outside, he would have been drafted much higher. But those limitations are what caused him to fall all the way to round four. We don't have those same concerns about Makai Lemon. I love that comp and I love that you think outside of the box for your comps as well. Not just going with the. The easy helmet. Scouting here, Joey. DJ Moore is a good player and I think, you know, based on what we saw the last couple of years in Chicago, people might have like forgotten about that. But if Makai Lemon can follow a DJ Moore trajectory with just slightly better quarterback play, we could be looking at wide receiver one seasons just immediately in his NFL career.
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Joey Wright
I mean, we watched DJ Moore do it in Carolina and then Chicago. That last year in Chicago though he did have Caleb Williams I guess the last two years. I like the comp that Jeff used here. I thought it might have just been because of the strength, be able to handle like the full workload a lot like DJ Moore it's like he's a guy you can depend on, he's strong, he's going to be on the field and he can bring in that full volume workload in the first season. So I think that's where I saw the comp going. I don't know if Jeff.
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Dave Kluge
So I've been. We're going on to the next one here, our next receiver. I've been unabashed, unabashed Jordan Tyson lover throughout this entire process. And Jeff, I gotta say, like, when I first saw your comp, it was a real kick in the gut. I wasn't too crazy about it, but I have warmed up to it a little bit. Why don't you reveal your Jordan Tyson comp to us here?
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Jeff Bell
I mean, well, it's Pierre Garcon, but you're kicking that he led the NFL in receiving in, in one point in his career. I just, I mean, I don't know neither here nor there. I don't understand why people get very, very offended on some things. But you're talking about a guy that is not a slouch. I mean, Pierre Garcon. But I think when it comes down to Tyson, it was really difficult to find a good comp for Jordan Tyson because there's the suddenness and the twitchiness in his game that reminded me a lot of Jerry Judy. But then I feel like when it the actual being involved around the football, it is the polar opposite of Jerry Judy. Because Jordan Tyson is not afraid of contacts. He was willing to play through contact. And I think that Pierre Garcon is. He's an explosive, explosive athlete. He the early stages of Pierre Garcon's career. Coming into Indianapolis as the third receiver, the late, late draft pick be made the team because he's explosion and explosive player to complement Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Explosive, vertical, vertical, deep threat in those Peyton Manning offenses. Then later in his career, he became much more of a closer line of scrimmage. A guy that can work after the catch, handle a ton of volume. That's what he did in leading the NFL and receiving. And so that's where Pierre Garcon. I think there's levels. I think there's just different ways to take what Hibs and, and the like, I don't know. The. He's. He's just Jefferson. He can't be Pierre Gross. What are you talking. It's just to me, okay, there's a
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Joey Wright
play when I was watching Tyson's tape that reminded me a lot of Pierre Garcon. So I understood the comparison where he kind of like just explodes out and then kind of boxes out his defender heading on like an out route. And that looked a lot like a Pierre Garcon used to do. So I understood the comparison once I
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Dave Kluge
saw that play and I think the versatility too. Like he isn't a one trick pony. And I think that that's really what does a good job, kind of encompassing the type of player that Jordan Tyson can be. Like he isn't just a. And and that's why my comp. A much loftier comp is CD Lam because we saw early in CD Lamb's career where he was just kind of playing out of the slot and then he moved out wide and then he ran deep routes and then he started running short routes and now he's kind of settled into doing it all. So that's why I see a lot of Jordan Tyson when I watch him. I see a lot of CD Lamb, just the versatility as well. But I think Pierre Garcon is probably a more realistic comp. Before we talk about your next one, Jeff, which we actually kind of spoiled on the last episode. For anybody that watched that, if you didn't watch the episode that came out on Monday, be sure to do that. We did a round one NFL mock draft and just by happenstance talked about the Carnell Tate comp there. But if you're watching this show today, check out the show we did Monday. But also subscribe here on YouTube because over the weekend I talked about it earlier in the show, but we are going to be doing draft parties, live streams, high stakes drafts, all sorts of fun stuff throughout the NFL draft weekend. Jeff and Joey are coming out here, staying at my place. We're going to set this studio up here into a little three person studio. Hopefully we can squeeze in here and make it happen, which would be a very, very fun weekend with a lot of actionable NFL news coming out. But Jeff, let's move on to your next comp here. As an Ohio State fan, you have watched Carnell Tate for years. You have a very good understanding of the player that he is and your comp here. I think you were the first person to make this comp and I've seen a lot of other people doing it since.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, I don't know if I'm the first, first person to make the comp to George Pickens for Carnell Tate, but I think it's a very natural comp and it's a very understandable place for people to land on, given you look at the overall athleticism between the two, the way that they're both going to impact the game. I think Carnell Tate profiles probably better in the deeper two intermediate areas of the field as a receiver, definitely outside receiver. I mean, he might have some in his game to come closer to line of scrimmage, handle volume, but that's what we've seen with George Pickens and that's why him Dulam was such a big hit in 2025, but Pickens having the explosive ability as a downfield receiver, that's primarily what stands out with Carnell Tate bringing that into being an intermediate threat. And so I think that that's a very, very natural place to land.
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Dave Kluge
So let me ask you again. You talk about levels to the comps and you kind of talked about the Nick Singleton, Trey Benson mental connection there that I hadn't even thought of. I'm wondering if your mind goes here with Carnell Tate. We saw that George Pickens for three years in Pittsburgh when he was supposed to be the number one wide receiver. The production was fleeting, but when he was able to play in a secondary role as the number two player in an offense, then he flourished and had his best season yet. We've seen Carnell Tate has always played with, you know, just, just freak wide receivers at Ohio State, and he's always kind of been the number two. Do you think Carnell Tate, when he comes to the NFL, is going to step up and be that number one wide receiver, or do you think that he's better suited as a T. Higgins, George Pickens type of player where he can be an explosive number two behind a very good number one?
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Jeff Bell
Well, you're talking about skill sets and where they impact areas of the field. When it really comes down to looking at, talking about it conceptually a wide receiver one, wide receiver two in an offensive passing attack in fantasy football. The to me that Carnell Tate, in order to be that true wide receiver one profile, that type of a player, you would have to be very, very impactful into the short area of the field. Those wide receiver screens, those creating quick separation and creating after the catch. And I think that Tate maybe has some of that in his game. But that's where I think the struggle lands on profiling him as a true wide receiver. One of if you're talking about the I think the easiest way to look at it is the T. Higgins and Jamar Jamar Chase comparison because Chase is capable of impacting the game at all three levels. And so often when I'm looking at receivers, what I talk about is the different levels. And to be clear, it's the short area of the field, it's the intermediate area, and it's the deep area of the field. Or you look at three different layers there. And to have a wide receiver, one true wide receiver, one fantasy wide receiver, offensive player, focal point within an offensive passing attack, you need to be very, very impactful. The way that often offensive passing attack at the NFL level works in that short to intermediate area primarily that can stretch and be that vertical threat. And usually that number two, nominal number two receiver is more that deep to intermediate area. Because what we see so often in the way a passing attack works is the idea the NFL quarterback is doesn't have time to look at the entire field. They have time to operate to one area of the field, one side of the field essentially. And so you get high, low, working off of each other, one a deep receiver and an intermediate short receiver. And you think about like Joey with Mike Evans downfield and Chris Godwin in the slot, you have Mike Evans opening up over the top for Chris Godwin to work underneath. And occasionally they can flip flop those roles. But to me, Tate is going to be more of that Mike Evans, that vertical player. And so to project to him to get that high, high volume. And that's where we see that high volume that we talk about about with Godwin in our last episode. Or you talk about Jamar Chase, the volume that Jamar Chase can see relative to the overall. And what George Pickens was doing when CD Lamb was out was a lot of efficiency involved in what George Pickens was able to do. He was great, very, very efficient downfield in the shots that he was able to get. And so there you can kind of muscle through some of that fantasy scoring if the efficiency is very, very high. But usually those vertical players, the efficiency is just going to be a little bit lower because it's more of a less sure thing to throw the ball 48 yards down the field to a player than it is to throw it eight yards down the field. And so I think that for Tate, I think there are elements and we've seen that in his game that potentially he could realize that. But it's not something that you look at his skill set, usually size, those types of things, the suddenness, the quick separation that he doesn't, he's kind of almost, I think what Jamar Chase, if you were to compare him to T. Higgins, has kind of a running back mentality build into his game to some level. Lower half looks a little bit more like a running back than a receiver.
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Dave Kluge
And I think that it's also important to remember that these guys aren't finished products. Like we can learn those skills over time. Like I look at JSN like he was more of a downfield guy early in his career. Justin Jefferson was more of a downfield guy earlier in his career. Learning to win with that suddenness and patience off the line of scrimmage is something that comes with time. And we have seen guys like the, the when you think of like the best immediate separators, Devonte Adams, DeAndre Hopkins, these guys that can just immediately separate off the line. That's something that usually started to happen around 3, 4 year, 3 year 4, year 5 as they got a little bit later into their career. So we're talking about Carnell Tate, the player he is now, but he can certainly develop that skill set to become that overall wide receiver one later in his career. Next one we got here, Casey Concepcion and this is another unique comp here, Jeff. You saw a lot more in Concepcion's game than I think a lot of other people did, hence the comp here. A guy who really kind of blossomed into an all around receiver later in his career.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, and this is where you just have to watch multiple years of a player. Because I think that if you were to look at what Texas A M was doing with Casey Concepcion, it was a lot of downfield, it was a lot more profiling as a vertical type of a player. And then when you look at the NC State tape where Casey Concepcion had so much volume at NC State, it was as a quick separator, as a player that operate in the underneath game that we just talked about, the short game. And so I think that he brings different layers into that. And that's really what Stefan Diggs, when you look early in his career at Minnesota, he was kind of more that vertical threat opposite of Adam Thielen. And there was a little bit more vertical elements in that Vikings passing game. It really wasn't so much until he got to Buffalo that he became this more of an underneath impact player, that he really handled that volume there. And so I think Concepcion, when you look at that, he's got just multiple tools in the toolbox, the ability to impact that all three levels.
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Dave Kluge
And I think and, and Joey, I'll ask for your take on Concepcion in just a minute. But I think that, you know, talking about the changing of usage, like trying to separate like what a player does on the field, is that the offensive playbook that's asking him to do that or is he limited to being able to do that? And I think one of the biggest, like learning experiences I had throughout this process was Zay Flowers. Because if you watched Zay Flowers when he was at Boston College, did nothing but run vertical routes like he was just a pure downfield threat getting balls coming his way, 30, 40, 50 yards downfield. And then when he came into the pros, they used him completely differently. Like everything he was catching was at the line of scrimmage, asking him to create after the catch. And then after a couple of years, we saw that start to grow a little bit. So so often when you can see a guy doing both at the college level, that also makes him. That almost makes him scheme agnostic. Like you could put this guy in any offense, in any role, and he's going to be able to find a way to succeed there. So, Joey, I talk about Casey Concepcion just being this kind of scheme agnostic player that can play anywhere. But is there like one specific spot that you think you might want to see him land this weekend?
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Joey Wright
Oh, like which team? Man, I think I said Dallas on the last episode. I'd like to see him just land in Dallas. It could be a great fit for him. One of I agree with you guys on all your points about, you know, why we're confident him to step on Diggs. But it's like that passion and outspokenness of Stefan Diggs I do reminds me of Casey Conception a lot as well.
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Dave Kluge
Did you see his statement that he made the other day? Did you see that? And you know, this was after the combine where there are a lot of people kind of picking him apart for a stuttering issue that he has dealt with. And a lot of people say that it was nerves, whatever. Anybody who's familiar with stuttering, like, sure, nerves can make it worse, but it's something that just happens regardless. And he writes this thing that he released, this press release saying that he thinks he's the best receiver in the class, that anybody who drafts him is getting a sure handed long term NFL studio. And then ends the statement saying, did I stutter? Just love, love, love that sort of mindset from Casey Concepcion coming into the draft.
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Joey Wright
I saw that and I absolutely just like fell in love with them right then and there. There's a difference between that and what Josh Rosen did after he got drafted in the league where it was just so smug with Josh Rose. Did like this is like it's a boat of confidence for Casey Concepcion. And I'm like, I got a little More confident. And I'll have to say, after I
- [38:48]
Dave Kluge
saw that letter, yeah, he has absolutely been one of my draft crushes throughout this prospect process, and I'm excited to see where he lands. Jeff, your next one here. Another deep pull here, but this is one of those that, like, as soon as I read it, I was just like, man, I love this comp. Denzel Boston, you comped to Jordy Nelson. This is another unique, fun comp. Talk us through it a little bit.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, I think when you look at Boston, it's a lot of what I've seen is kind of like Cortland Sutton type of cons. To me, I think that he's a little bit better mover than maybe profiling him as just kind of the stiff, big receiver type of a role. And that's where I think Nelson kind of had a little bit more of that in his game. The we haven't really seen. I don't think we've seen too much testing with Denzel Boston, and I think that that's kind of one of those things I would have liked to see a little bit more of. From what I've seen, I haven't seen very many numbers come out with Boston, but to me, Nelson really round himself into being that receiver that could impact the game at multiple levels. And I think that you look at size of the ability to win downfield, and that's really where Jordy Nelson was a big impact early in his career. I think Boston's going to come in and be one of those guys that are capable of winning downfield.
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Dave Kluge
And I think people are quick to Forget Jordan Nelson, 90th percentile in size, adjusted speed. Like, he was a big, fast guy. I think a lot bigger and faster than a lot of people remember. So I like that one. I just want to quickly move on to your next one here because I don't think there's too much to unpack with that comp. But, Jeff, in the mock draft episode that we did last week, I comped Omar Cooper Jr. Or I'm sorry, I didn't comp. I mocked Omar Cooper Jr. To the San Francisco 49ers, saying that he would be a great fit in a Kyle Shanahan offense. Remind me. We all know Mike Evans, but who. Who did the 49ers go out and sign this off season as a. As a depth wide receiver?
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Jeff Bell
They got Christian Kirk as a depth wide receiver. And so that was my comp for Omar Cooper Jr. And I think that, to me, Kirk is a fascinating player because he Came into the league as a deep threat, primarily as a deep threat, kind of more of a big playthrough.
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Dave Kluge
And then he worked for DeAndre Hopkins. That's pretty much.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, basically, yes. And then he worked his way into being. He had that really, really strong. I think it was the 2023 season off the top of my head, where he had a really, really strong season with Jacksonville, when he initially went over there might have been 22 even at this point.
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Dave Kluge
There's a wide receiver one that year.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah. And. And working in that short to intermediate areas. And so I think that Omar Cooper probably. Probably starts more in the short to intermediate areas, depending on where he lands. But I think that there is the layers to his game that he can be that player that can potentially be a downfield threat and just kind of an explosive player with the ball. Probably more of the wide receiver 2.5, like. Like 1.5, like wide receiver 2 type of a profile, I guess, with Cooper, but I think it could be there.
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Dave Kluge
So, Joey, how excited would you get if both of the things like Jeff's player comp my mock draft, if it all comes to fruition, the 49ers select got Omar Cooper Jr. And he kind of gets a year to spend in a wide receiver room with Christian Kirk. Do you think that could benefit his development?
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Joey Wright
I think whenever you're playing, you see it a lot more with quarterbacks. Whenever you're playing behind or alongside someone that profiles the same as you, it's only great for your NFL career. You know, you mentioned Christian Kirk, and when I look at Christian Kirk, I think a player that went to teams where they weren't at their best and still provided value, and that's a Mark Cooper for me with. You know, once he gets the ball in his hands, he can create plays. So don't worry about how it's going to get there. It's going to get there, and then once it does, that's where the productivity is going to come from.
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Dave Kluge
I also think just like the over or underrated element, like Christian Kirk, in my opinion, has just been an underrated receiver since he came into the league. And I feel like in this draft class where everybody's talking about the big names up top, Omar Cooper is quietly kind of the underrated guy here. Jeff, your next comp here. Oh, boy. The. The. You came out with this comp months ago, and then just this morning we get the report from Adam Schefter about some potential off the field concerns for Chris Brazil. So, yeah, he's tall and he's lean and he's fast, just like Martavis Bryant. But I think he may have stumbled into a personality comp here that you weren't even trying for at the time.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the explosion that you're looking at with him in terms of Martavius Bryant's ability to win downfield, that's. That's where Brazel stands out immediately. But then at the same time, I don't know. I'm not nearly at the level of. With Martavius Bryant off the field of. I don't. I think that's unfair to put onto a young guy.
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Dave Kluge
Right.
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Jeff Bell
Like saying that that's definitely going to happen. But I think there's. It's more probably maturity as opposed to like just trouble issues potentially with, with Chris Brazel. But I think naturally, play style wise, Brazel strikes me as the com. That conversation that we had Carnell Tate of just the ability that can come in and be the wide receiver too, that just stresses a defense when vertically and really, really mixes things up there. And I think that at his best, that's what we saw with Martavis Bryant operating opposite Antonio Brown when Antonio Brown was the best receiver in the NFL. Martavis Bryant was a great natural complement to what he was able to bring.
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Dave Kluge
I like that. And Jeff, let's just move on to your next one because you are just like you're hitting W's with your player comps before the draft even starts. Zachariah Branch, Compton to Cavante Turpin. Cavante Turpin arrested just about a year ago for, you know, some, some stuff that we won't get into. And Zachariah Branch arrested over the weekend. So you're nailing these comps before landing spots. And, and, and the draft even happens.
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Jeff Bell
Let it not be said that Jeff Bell does not put the work in. So I'll just say that I think, I think that when you. Again, Zachariah Branch, I mean, you're looking at Cavante Turpin as a player, that it's, if you. I think I was talking to Jeff Blaylock about this, who's a TCU fan. But if you look freshman year, if you can remember back when Trayvon Boykin and Josh Dachshund on TCU and you had Cavante Turpin as a true freshman, was an explosive, explosive player as a vertical receiver and then just life went sideways a little bit for Turpin. To me, I think that Branch, when I'm looking at these two players, that it's there potentially for Branch. He was the number one recruit in his class and then it did, but it didn't really blossom until he went to Georgia and was treated almost as a running back, like an extension of the screen game, essentially was where most of his volume came out of. And that's kind of what we've seen with Turpin in the NFL level of just being treated as that underneath guy that can guide a gimmick receiver maybe potentially. And that doesn't mean that the growth potential is not there for Zachariah Branch, but there, you know, like you said, definitely some off the field things that happened. And I think that when you look at just a young player getting things figured out and trying to figure out and tap into that overall ceiling, I think there is a. When you look at freshman year, Fonte Turpin, there is a alternative universe where he takes off and is one of the very, very top receivers. But we've seen him become the arguably the best return man in the NFL and work his way out and work his career together. So I think that Branch kind of has figured some things out and there's some learning that's occurring.
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Dave Kluge
So Joey, how much does it concern you when you see a guy like five days before the NFL draft getting arrested? And for the record, like, it doesn't sound like it was anything egregious that he did. It sounded like he was just kind of like being a knucklehead. Like he was standing on a sidewalk and a police officer asked him to move and then he kind of like gave the police officer some attitude and like moved but still stayed on the sidewalk. Like it. I don't know the exact details, but it just sounds like him kind of being a jerk more than like a criminal, I guess, if you had to like put these into buckets. But like the self awareness, like you're this close to the NFL draft, you're about to have like a game. Like how much does that impact the outlook for a guy like Brian?
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Joey Wright
I. I mean, I don't know. We don't know his condition at the time that the police officer was talking to him. Maybe we do know now I haven't seen since we didn't know. You would hope that when an NFL coach is telling him where to move, he's going to move to that area. So I'm not as concerned about it. At first when I saw the story, I was like, did he just have his AirPods in? Because it sounds like he didn't hear the cop, but apparently he did hear the cops? I don't know.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah. And I think like, you know, if we talk about some of the off the field stuff, like to me, like, like Chris Brazil just feels like a Pittsburgh Steeler and Zachariah Branch kind of feels like a Kansas City chief. Like just looking at the, the, the types of players that these teams have targeted in the past. But we've got a ton more wide receivers but we're not going to go through all of them on this show today. Footballguys.com rookieguide as you can tell, Jeff Bell put a lot of thought into his wide receiver comps and what there's 40 something more that they can go through.
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Jeff Bell
Jeff? Yeah, I think we got up to about 57. I do want to say, I think one of my favorite ones, Skyler Bell and Doug Baldwin I think is one of my more favorite comps.
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Dave Kluge
So I like that one. That is a good comp as well. Let's talk about some of the tight ends and these were come up with by Mike Kashuba came up with three of these four. So he's not here to talk about them. But most of these are just pretty obvious to walk through. Kenny and Sadiq comp to Vernon Davis and, and Jeff, this is why. And Joey, you too, you can dig this one first. But this is why I keep talking about Kenyan Sadiq being a top 10 player. The last two tight ends that we have seen come into the NFL with an athletic profile like Kenyon Sadiq were Vernon Davis and Kyle Pitts and they were both drafted inside the top 10. Joey, you and I have been talking about this a lot but like Kenyan Sadiq probably should be a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. Do you.
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Jeff Bell
I mean he's that way.
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Joey Wright
He's such a difference maker. I actually kind of the player comp today, guys. I, I have one that I came up with, but it's not an NFL player, it's a basketball player. My favorite March Madness. No, no. Close. Very close.
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Dave Kluge
All right.
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Joey Wright
Patrick Young from the University of Florida and the reason I'm accomplished to Kenyan Sadiq is Patrick Young had this dunk during March Madness and the announcer went, that's a full grown man. And every time I see Kenyan Sadiq I'm like, that's a full grown man. That is an athlete. Let's get the ball in that man's hands.
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Dave Kluge
So I like it. That would be. I, I do. I'm a big fan of the cross sports comps. I know we try to keep it as buttoned up as we can here at Football guys on the rookie guide. But yeah, we should do a show sometime next year where it's just like complete off the wall comps where we're competitive superheroes and basketball players and all sorts of crazy stuff.
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Joey Wright
It's probably terrible that I went tight end, basketball player player because that's like the easiest right outside of football comparison you can make.
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Jeff Bell
So Antonio Gate play basketball in college. So in person,
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Joey Wright
right?
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Jeff Bell
Yeah.
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Dave Kluge
Jeff, I'm gonna ask you for insight on this next one. Now we didn't come up with these. Mike Kashuba, he comped Eli Stowers to Logan Thomas. Now Logan Thomas, when I think of Logan Thomas, I think of a former quarterback, a very cerebral type of tight end, a guy who could find the soft spots in Z. Kind of a taller, lankier version of Zach Ertz, if you will. So I'm a little bit surprised by this comp because when I see Eli Stowers I just see a super athlete and like that's what really gets me excited about Stowers here. Is there something that you're seeing in this comp that I might be missing?
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Jeff Bell
I might be wrong. It would be definitely be the very first time that Jeff Bell has confidently been wrong. But I think that Eli Stowers was a quarterback at one point in time and that might have been an element of, of where Mike was going with this. I want to say that Stowers was a high school quarterback and came in and converted to tight end. So that might be where part of Mike's mind was on this. But I know that Logan Thomas was a plus plus athlete. I think the version of what we.
- [50:55]
Dave Kluge
He was a quarterback at Texas A and M. Not even in high school. I had somehow I completely missed this. Yes, Stowers was a quarterback and he just recently, like very, very recently in 2024 transition tight end.
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Jeff Bell
Yeah. So that's what we're talking about. Logan. Logan Thomas is a plus athlete that be that kind of almost the Terrell Prior of tight ends. More or less of the Holly, one of the arguably the most successful quarterback to tight end conversions that we've had.
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Dave Kluge
I think the next comp is pretty obvious here. Max Claire to Mark Andrews. Just a well rounded, versatile guy, a guy who can play in line, a guy who can play in the slot, can run routes, make contested catches, do things after the catch. Just your prototypical tight end that can kind of do it all. Joey, do you have any insight into this one? Anything that you would like to add here about Max Claire?
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Joey Wright
For the record, I thought it was a picture of Mark Andrews and the rookie guy when I saw Max Claire. That's how close they are in comparison. No, I mean, he's versatile. He can do anything. He can pass block, he can run block, he can catch passes. He can kind of do whatever a team needs him to do.
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Dave Kluge
Jeff, I know you've got some insight into Max Claire. Do you want to talk about this a little bit?
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Jeff Bell
I think it's a fun comp because we've seen Mark Andrews be the primary receiver. I think that a lot of we kind of get the later stage like stuck in our mind. And I feel like a lot of people think about Mark Andrews and think about like that drop against the Bills or like things. But I think very, very early Mark Andrews and especially at Oklahoma, he was a very, very explosive of primary receiver, tight end. And so outside of the image that we're thinking now of Mark Andrews late career, Mark Andrews early in his career, he was a really good athlete. I think that Max Claire, what we saw with him at Purdue serving as a primary receiver, I think this is a good place for Mike to go with this comp.
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Dave Kluge
And then Mike and I, we split up the tight ends. So he did some of the, the higher end guys, those were all his. But the, the one of the tight ends that I scouted and that I comped here was Joe Royer out of Cincinnati. Just a big fan of Joe Royer. The more I watched him and my comp ended up being Tyler Croft. And Tyler Croft, you know, not a household name for a lot of people. But he was asked to be a traditional blocking tight end for the vast majority of his career. But then he had one season in 2017 when they were just without wide receivers and he needed to step up and he had himself a productive year as a receiver. That's what I see from Joe Royer. A guy who can be that traditional in line tight end but can run routes and catch the ball when called upon. So that was my comp here for, for Joe Royer. I'm sure I could have thought of another one. But you know, you look at the, the size, athleticism, it all kind of matches up here. I see a lot of Tyler Croft and Joe Royer's game and Jeff, I see you smirking. What do you have to add?
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Jeff Bell
Are you sure you didn't mean Tyler Eifert?
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Dave Kluge
I am sure, but I do like the Eifert. Wasn't eifer like 6, 8 though, I think.
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Jeff Bell
Isn't Bill Royer pretty big 6 5. If I remember, I saw the Tyler Tyler Croft comp and I knew that I know you like Royer like to if for a player I like. I feel like no offense to the great family and of and Tyler Croft I'm sure is watching this at this moment. I don't mean any offense Tyler Cross, but he was always the backup to ifrt and so that's where I wondered if you didn't get the wires crossed.
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Dave Kluge
I, I do like it though, especially because I have been comping Royer who played at University of Cincinnati. I have been comping or I've been mocking him to the Cincinnati Bengals for both Tyler Eiford and Tyler Croft played. But no, also to add layers to this, Jeff, as you like to Mike Kasicki still under contract with Cincinnati and I would expect that, you know, Mike Gasicki would be the Tyler Eifert to Joe Royer's Tyler Cross Croft. Okay, Joey, anything to add on here? Do you have any, any deep polls on. On Tyler Croft? Any. Any insight you'd like to add here?
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Joey Wright
I just like to point out all the Croft supporters. It's for whom J. Bell tolls on all social media formats.
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Dave Kluge
I think that'll do it for the player comp episode. Guys recorded these episodes. The, the mock draft we did and today's player comp episode. I don't know about you just has me amped up for the weekend. We are going to have a lot of shows and writing and takes. I mean, this is. I, I'm sure the audience feels the same way if you're 55 minutes into a player comp episode. This is one of the best times of the year. There's just so much fun happening this weekend and just about nobody in the world that I'd rather spend it with than you do. It should be a really, really fun weekend as we watch the draft.
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Joey Wright
I can't wait. And I'm so glad you planned out every single thing we need to do it in certain times. Times.
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Dave Kluge
All right. They're giving me a hard time. I, I'm a very, I like to plan things out. So I had some downtime yesterday and I put together an entire itinerary, like hour by hour planning when we'll have our meals and when we'll be, you know, doing mic checks and all of that good stuff. It helps me. I, I don't get as stressed out when I pre plan things. So I, I like to plan. I'm a planner and I don't have
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Jeff Bell
to plan anything to have the level of downtime to be able to make that type of a schedule.
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Dave Kluge
You know, I was also, Emily and I were talking about that both of you guys are going to be staying in a, a child free house. It's going to be, it's gonna be quiet. And you guys are gonna find out a lot about downtime over this weekend as well.
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Joey Wright
I'm gonna be all the way down in the basement. I was told yesterday putting Joey in the basement.
- [56:24]
Dave Kluge
So that's another thing. I think that there's like a connotation that comes with basements. We have a very nice basement. We've got a big couch down there. It's carpeted, it's, it's finished, it's heated, it's furnished. This isn't like, you know, the, the, the, the basement from a horror movie that you walk.
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Joey Wright
This is how every horror movie starts
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Jeff Bell
though is like the basement that Jeff is currently recording in right now, right?
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, exactly. I mean, do they have basements in Florida? I know a lot of times like when you're at sea level, they'll avoid basements. Right.
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Joey Wright
So I was a water technician for almost 10 years before I was doing fantasy football and I used to sell water softener owners, people. And my 10 years I encountered one basement in Central Florida.
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Wayfair Announcer
Wow.
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Joey Wright
One.
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Dave Kluge
I mean, I imagine, yeah, they flood but out here in, in the, the, the, the West, I think they call it the Rocky Mountain west. But also where I, I grew up in the, the Midwest, basements are plenty. Everybody's got them and they come all different. You've got your, your scary bug filled, dark, dreary, cold basements. Then you have the, the ones that you party in when you're in high school and the big houses with the parents that don't care.
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Jeff Bell
Sometimes they're both. And if they're a tornado, they're everything. So there you go.
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Joey Wright
Shout out to our buddy Steven Johnson. He has a incredible basement in the metro Chicago, suburban Chicago area that's just like. So yeah, there's, there's nice bases.
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Dave Kluge
I'll put it this way, Joey. My wife Emily, she works from home and her office is in our basement. You know, I, if it's a, it's a nice basement. That's all I could say. It's a nice, warm, furnished, carpeted basement. You will be more than comfortable, comfortable there. Maybe we'll do a show in the basement just so we could show it off to everybody. But I want to thank everybody for taking the time today. As I noted multiple times on this show and Monday show. We're gonna be together all weekend. So Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Be sure to subscribe here on YouTube. See what we're coming out with. Come hang out with us as we hang out and watch the NFL Draft. Want to thank you so much for tuning in. We will see you soon. Foreign.
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Wayfair Announcer
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