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Dave Kluge
You for tuning in to another episode of the Launch Pad. I'm Dave Kluge as always joined with a great football guys guest and today I've got my good friend Corey Spala coming on to talk about some Week 9 matchups. Corey and I, we connected back in 2020 with a very small up and coming company called Fantasy Intervention. We did live streams and shows and articles together. Now he helps us over at Football Guys. He's a regular contributor on our round tables. He he also does a lot of college content for us during the preseason. You might know him by cdot, you might know him by Yayrock. I know him by Corey Spy. We've got a fun show planned for today where we're going to talk about some Week 9 matchups as well as some of the hottest budget friendly food takes you can imagine. So thank you so much for tuning in. As I say every week the show would not be possible without you taking the time. Now let's dive in. Corey Spala, welcome to the show. How you doing today man?
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Corey Spala
I'm doing great man. How about you?
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Dave Kluge
I am doing good. We'll take behind the curtain for the listeners. I put the wrong time in the show sheet so Corey has been sitting here waiting on me for 20 minutes like a true unprofessional as I was just sitting around doing absolutely nothing and we could have recorded 20 minutes ago but Corey, appreciate the patience. We got a good week of football here coming up. You know last week we were just decimated by buys. Buys aren't quite as bad this time around we got some big matchups. The one I want to talk about first of all, the Vikings at Lions, it seems like we're trending towards a JJ McCarthy start here. So the question I have for you, Corey, how would that change your outlook for some of the past catchers in Minnesota if we get a J.J. mcCarthy start?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, McCarthy, he's presumably healthy, right. Wentz has that injury. I may not necessarily view them any different. Right. As opposed to Wentz. You know, it kind of just comes down to McCarthy's poise, you know, that confidence with this return. He had a solid opening game win there this season. Tough Week 2 matchup against Atlanta, but you look at it, a lot of quarterbacks have struggled against Atlanta, so hopefully he's healthy, he could utilize his legs more, extend plays and drives. So hopefully he could do well. Especially with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and T.J. hawkinson. That's a great supporting options there to.
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Dave Kluge
Have, and I think that's a big thing too. He didn't have Jordan Addison in their early games. Now he's got more of an arsenal around him. And I just talked about Justin Jefferson a couple of days ago on our trade target show. Like, just really simple, easy buy, low guy here. Right now, I think people might be looking at Justin Jefferson is more of like a low end wide receiver one because of the production he's been putting up. Still pulling an elite target share, still elite yards per route run. It's just been touchdowns. Like he's only scored one touchdown on the year. Like one of the lowest touchdown rates of any wide receiver out there. So I'm kind of with you. I think there's a lot of hubbub about, you know, how McCarthy's just terrible and that he's already a bus, but he's a young kid. I'm still waiting to see what he can do. But sticking with this game, I want to talk about Jordan Mason because we saw Aaron Jones back last week. And in addition to Aaron Jones getting his touches, Xavier Scott got some touches. We saw almost nothing from Jordan Mason, who realistically was kind of disappointing when. When Aaron Jones was out. So at this point, would you say that he is droppable in redraft or should you still keep him stashed?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, your last point there, very notable for the fact there's so much expectations that he'll take over and he kind of flops. You know, he's only been an RB2 in two games and that is because he got a touchdown. He's been an RB1 in one game and that's because he got two touchdowns.
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Dave Kluge
So, right.
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Corey Spala
Touchdown. Touchdown. Dependency is never a fun thing to bet on. And that flop following Aaron Jones, you know, couple game departure there, now he's back. So it's only less of a reason to be enthused about Mason.
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Dave Kluge
Right. And of course it's league specific. You know, if you're in a league with 18 bench spots and like the best available guy in your waivers right now is, you know, Adam Prentice probably shouldn't be dropping Jordan Mason. But if you're in one of those shallower leagues where, you know, there might have been a Tyrone Tracy or somebody like that available, that's a league that I'm okay clearing out space with a guy like Jordan Mason. Let's talk about the Lions a little bit though. And truth be told, Corey, I don't even think you can answer this question, but I'm just going to ask you anyway. Why hasn't Jameson Williams been a part of the offense this year?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, no idea. I mean, maybe an obvious reason could be the departure of Ben Johnson. I guess if we wanted to pull one. Recently the wide receiver coach and Jared Goff both have spoken out regarding getting Jamison Williams the ball more. It could potentially be the way he is currently utilized. It maybe doesn't pair well right now with Jared Goff, you know, 30 plus yards down the field. Looking at Williams, he's run 55 go routes, which is the highest of his career. He has yet to have a single reception on those routes.
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Dave Kluge
Wow. I mean that's just. Yeah, so, so, so you expect that we connect on one of those and that's like the way Jameson Williams plays. You know, he's like three catches away from nobody even having any fears about him because three of those catches could be 60 yard touchdowns. And then we're saying, yeah, Jameson Williams doing what Jameson Williams does. So I, I tend to agree with you based on, you know, what you said. The, you talked about the wide receiver coach and Jared Goff, but we've also heard Dan Gamble is talking about Jameson Williams. John Morton is talking about Jameson Williams. Like it seems like they took this buy and the, the, the major takeaway week was we need to get Jameson Williams more involved. So I'm hoping that's the case. One more question that I have about this one though. We have also heard that they want to get David Montgomery more involved too. I mean it is outside of a couple of games, like it has been the Jameer Gibbs show so far in this backfield. So if you had to guess what percentage of touches will go to Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery between now and the rest of the season.
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, guessing that's all the best things we can do. I mean, they can split the touches 50, 50 for all I care. You know, so long as Gibbs continues get the majority of those receptions. I think Gibbs had about 130 touches to Montgomery's 89 touches. Important part there. Gibbs has 15 more receptions. So if Montgomery wants to handle some more carries, that's totally cool. Let's just keep giving Gibbs those receptions. So my best guess, if they want to do it 50, 50. But I'll still imagine you got to give Gibbs majority of those touches and continue this 60, 40ish split.
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Dave Kluge
And I think the other kind of interesting thing here is like early in Gibbs's career, he was coming off the field when they were getting near the end zone and it was just David Montgomery punching in all of those touchdowns. Now we're seeing Gibbs with a little bit of touchdown upside as well. Like they're using him in goal line sets. So it's not just the pass catching, it's the bass catching, it's the big plays and it's the touchdowns. I mean, we just see like Jameer Gibbs right before our eyes is just blossoming into one of the best running backs in fantasy football. And that's always fun to see another game I want to talk about here, Chargers at Titans. And Corey, you do some really good work with tight ends, you know, when they're coming out of college and then what they do early on in their NFL career. So I'm just going to ask you point blank a Ronda Gadson, is he the real deal?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely do believe that he is the real deal. Just the physical mismatch for defenses as he's primarily drawing that coverage from linebackers. You know, I think I saw you tweet that he's seen coverage from a cornerback on two targets over these last three games.
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Dave Kluge
So crazy.
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Corey Spala
Yeah, this offense, they can come out in, you know, 12 personnel and motion out Gadsden for this Mitch matches that are created against these linebackers. So over those last three weeks, he has 81.3% route participation, 2.83 yards per route rung amount tight end. So looking a little bit more deeper, 41% slot routes, 44% inline. But he's only blocking on 5% of snaps. So if he's not on the field, it's not that big of a deal because currently he's on the field and he's getting those targets he's one of three tight ends that has over an 80 receiving grade. The other two are Tucker Kraft and Trey McBride. So he's in definitely some elite company there.
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Dave Kluge
Wow, I did not know that. That is a very elite company. I mean, and, and what we're seeing and I think, you know, kind of a big picture thing long term I might have some concerns about Gadson because we don't see him blocking all that much. And I feel like in order to continue getting those mism, you need to be a good blocker or you end up getting Kyle Pitts where they're just going to glue a nickel corner on him and he struggles there. So I think that's kind of the fear here with a Ronda Gadson. And I'm not saying to sell Ronda Gadson, I'm not saying that he's bad or anything like that, but I would like to see him getting a little bit more involved because hasn't seen a single game yet with a less than 92% route participation. I mean, like that's all he is doing. He's basically just out there in the body of a tight end playing the role of a wide receiver, which is great for fantasy, but we also see that it's not a way for long term success. So interested to see how this kind of pans out here. But you know, in that discussion with a Ronda Gadsden, it seems like his breakout is coming at the expense of Quentin Johnston. So what would you recommend that fantasy managers do with Quentin Johnson should that buy, sell, hold? What are you saying to do here, Corey?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, you noted that perfectly. The emergence there of Gadsden is having that effect on someone and it is Johnston. I don't really want anything to do with him now. I mean, we've seen three straight weeks and that's kind of a trend you can pull out there. And we even look at Keenan Allen, he seems to be that third in the pecking order right there after lan McConkey and now Gadsden. So, you know, don't really want to be too. You can hold if you want. You never know what can happen with injuries, I guess. But there has been a little bit of Trey Harris getting involved, you know, over these last two weeks. Specifically Kaden Allen. He's not in on two or one wide receiver sets. While we look at Harris, he's been in on one wide receiver sets 91% of the time. So obviously that's for blocking. But Harris is not in three wide receiver sets, only 38% of the time. So there's a lot of different usages and sets they can use. Johnston, he's in 93% of the time in three wide receiver sets. There's a lot you can do with just saying 3, 2, 1 wide receiver sets, but you could pick apart things such as usage and routes. But the main takeaway with Johnson is that production has decreased and I don't see how he can be a weekly consistent bet for production like McConkey and Gadsden right now.
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Dave Kluge
And I think you hit on something there that isn't being discussed all that much. We talk about the lack of blocking with a Ronda Gadsden. Quentin Johnston is a very good blocker. Trey Harris last year graded as one of the best run blockers and pass blockers in college football. So it's almost like they don't even need their tight ends to block. The Chargers are the one team out there that we are seeing that is willing to go without a tight end on almost 17 of their snaps. They'll just go out there with their wide receivers and have faith in those guys. Even Lad Bikanki, like, might not be the most technical or strongest blocker, but he is very willing and able to get in there and try to push some bodies around as well. So the Chargers, I mean, they've, they've just probably been my favorite team to watch this year. They just do so many creative things with their packages and their personnel. You've got, you know, the Steelers doing like one extreme where they're doing these like jumbo extra offensive linemen, 13 personnel, and then you'll see the, the Chargers coming out here in 10 personnel and running the ball. I mean, just like really fun, unique things happening around the NFL right now. The one last thing I want to note on Quentin Johnston, you know, I was starting to panic a little bit. Jeff Bell did make a good point that he dealt with a hamstring injury in the preseason. Now re aggravated that hamstring injury which obviously caused him to miss a game. And it does seem like when you see him out there, he just isn't even close to 100%. So I think that's why I'd be cautious to sell because we saw the early season upside. We know what he's capable of in this offense. And if you sell him now while he's injured, he could end up going back to being the wide receiver one at the end of the season. So buy if you can get him for really cheap hold if you've got him. But I wouldn't recommend selling super, super low here. That's just my take. But I want to talk about the Titans because there's some fun, exciting things happening here as well where we've got a rookie quarterback, rookie wide receivers, there's a lot of fun things happening. So dk, we saw IO menorg it off to the hot start. DK has come on strong over the last few weeks. Who would you prefer rest of season?
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Corey Spala
Corey yeah, this is just where we need to hope we pick that right receiver while using the information we know at hand. You know DK, he has this recent two week of production but both receivers are seeing targets. That's 13 for Ayo Minor and 11 for DK. But the roles are going to be important as DK's role is going to lead to more production which benefits because they're likely going to continue to operate in negative game scripts for Tennessee. DK seen that bump following the release of Tyler Lockett. He's the wide receiver 11. Over the last two weeks he's played 95% of snaps. A potential bonus for him is he is also averaging 123.9 return yards per game. Your league may have a scoring system that does provide points. Four return yards. So if that's 0.25 for those 10 yards, you may be looking at a potential four extra points just for that.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, and I'm interested to see what this offense looks like if and when Calvin Ridley returns. There have been some trade rumors, but he's dealing with an injury right now. Still not practicing. I. I almost wonder. I think that DK is better out of the slot. So you know, if they get to this situation, you know I can. I don't know exactly how it's going to shake out, but I'd imagine Calvin Ridley kind of plays in his role out wide. They can move DK into the slot and he can still retain a pretty high vol volume role in this offense. But not talking about the wide receivers. I want to talk about the backfield here and I'm just going to propose the same exact question. Who do you prefer rest of season, Tony Pollard or Taj Spears?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean I think I want Spears over Pollard. Since returning he's only out snap Pollard in two out of those four games. It should be noted Pollard, you know he's missed practice on Wednesday for an undisclosed reason. Potentially Pollard is traded or if he is injured then Spears will be ready to assume that lead back workload.
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Dave Kluge
I don't want to cut you off Corey, but I will say I Follow the injury reports because I do articles every single week. Since Tony Pollard has joined Tennessee, I don't think he's practiced once on a Wednesday. He always gets Wednesdays off. He'll often get Thursdays off. I mean, there were a handful of weeks last week where he wouldn't practice at all and come through on Sunday. So that's just kind of how the Titans have chose to handle Tony Pollard for whatever reason.
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Corey Spala
Well, there goes my take or so. But maybe just a spin it. Spears may be healthy and a little bit fresher despite injury, but you know, they seem to be splitting that backfield anyways and it's just kind of a coin flip, I guess, at this point. Unless there's other additional information that you're withholding from me.
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Dave Kluge
No, I don't have anything else. Like the way that I see this, I've kind of made the joke a few times that like, like right now it feels like Tajie Spears is Tony Pollard from like five years ago. Right? Like where Tony Pollard was the guy that was coming in behind Ezekiel Elliott and he wasn't getting as many touches, wasn't getting many snaps, but like the efficiency was through the roof. And we were saying like, let's get this guy more touches. And now you fast forward five years and now Tony Pollard is the, for lack of a better term, the. The dusty veteran out there with the not great efficiency that's getting more touches and we're saying like give Taj Spears more touches. So I want to say that I agree with you. Alfredo Brown and I, we about talked yesterday on our rankings episode. We both prefer Tajie Spears this week ahead of Tony Pollard because of the game script, but also just long term. Like right now, to put it as simplest, simplistically as possible, Tajie Spears has juice and it doesn't look like Tony Pollard does. So anything else you'd want to talk about in this game before we move on to the next one, Corey?
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Corey Spala
No, not anymore.
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Dave Kluge
Sorry to burst your bubble there. All right, let's talk about the. The Bears and Bengals. Corey, you and I, both from the Chicago suburbs, you know, we, we linked up a few years back in this, this fantasy football space that we do. But you know, like, like to see the Bears kind of looking a little bit better this season. Still a lot of ways to go. But again, want to talk about some of the young tight ends here because I know you put in a lot of work there. Colson Loveland, can he turn his increased usage into a fantasy relevant role? This week. What do you think?
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Corey Spala
I I mean, I'm optimistic and it can certainly help if he's one of those main receiving options who are healthy. Could have been a veteran. Rest day for some on Wednesday. There more Ziktac Dunze and Burden didn't practice, but Roman Moore did return on Thursday. I watched an interview that came out or a presser or whatever with Ben Johnson and he noted the primary option on pass plays and how he has a set amount for each player. So hopefully Loveland, he can see an increase in these and hopefully specifically they're in the red zone. I know previously noted touchdown dependency is not cool when we were talking about earlier, but for a tight end, especially for Loveland, you know, that's a little bit more reliable in terms of that dependency, especially if they get looks down there often.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, and, and when I'm looking at it too, I mean like just the we're halfway through the season, like when we're two, three weeks into the season. I don't care about fantasy points against, but after eight weeks, we can start to draw some trends here. And the Bengals are giving up by far the most points allowed to tight ends. We saw Mason Taylor get his first touchdown last week. Of course, we saw that game a few weeks ago with Pat Friarmouth and Darnell Washington and Johnny Smith in the end zone. Tucker Kraft ate him alive. Actually, I think Tucker Kraft might have missed that game. I can't remember off the top of my head, but oh yeah, Tucker Craft, he scored a touchdown as well. So it's just like almost every single week they're giving up at least one touchdown to a tight end. So this is one where I don't want to get like too aggressive with my rankings. But Colson Loveland, I've got him in the streaming discussion. You know, I've got him at like tight end 14, which means that you're starting him alongside a lot of other guys that, you know, you're just kind of in that churn. And here I'm playing matchups and Colson Loveland this week does have a very nice matchup. Let's stick with the Bears, though. And who is the real Caleb Williams, Corey? Is it the guy we saw before the buy or the guy that we've seen since that hasn't been playing quite as well?
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Corey Spala
I am very pro Caleb Williams on the record, off the record, it's very fun to poke fun at my Bears friends because as noted, we're from the Chicagoland area, so Dave Williams is a bust. But jokes aside with that being said, I think he's doing a good job for being thrown into this complex system that Ben Johnson has a year after receiving essentially no coaching and just a terrible situation there in his rookie year. He certainly is having issues related to accuracy, but his pure arm talent and play out of structure. With the recent emergence of his Zach avoidance this year, it's on display. It's definitely easier to say he looks better than the numbers are saying and that his film is good. There's obviously those reasons to be worried. I totally get that. I'm just not worried and fully expect him to continue to develop, essentially being, you know, his rookie year in this system.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, I mean, I'm not panicking long term by any means. I mean, I said going into this season that, like, I thought Bears fans were getting a little bit overexcited talking about, you know, the, the potential breakout and all this sort of stuff, when the reality is it took like years for Ben Johnson to kind of get his system in Detroit set up and Jared Goff was a more experienced quarterback at that point. So, I mean, what we saw early in the year I think was very surprising to me and that's when we started talking about Caleb Williams, like, you know, plug and play, fantasy QB1. I don't really think we're there anymore, I think in the streaming discussion, but again, this is a good matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals and where I think there was fear maybe two or three weeks ago that they would just run the Bengals out of the stadium here and not have to pass all that much. Joe Flacco back at practice. He's respectable. He can put some points on the scoreboard as well. So I don't think this is one where a game script is going to get crazy or anything like, like that. It's been some, some heavy run run heavy scripts since the bye week, but I think this is one where we could see Caleb Williams potentially back to that qb, one that we saw early in the year. Another question for you though, and we'll switch over to the Bengals on this one. T. Higgins, how are you valuing him in this matchup?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, you noted there with Flacco kind of returning there, I'm going to value him based on what happens with Flaco and his AC joint injury. It's reported this morning, Thursday morning, Ian Rapaport said his status is up in the air. You noted he was back in uniform, he was throwing the ball. Jamar Chase said he looks like himself. So when looking at that, there still may be some Concerns, especially with this AC joint injury, according to Google, so we can trust it. AC joint sprains, they're noted to be difficult to rotate and lift, like at shoulder height. So when looking at Higgins utilization, he's more vertical than underneath. Higgins, he has a 13.4 average depth of target, while Jamar Chase, he has 8.2 yards. If there is potential concerns for Flacco while playing, maybe this means that there's going to be a little bit more underneath targets where maybe no offhand will benefit too, but the verticality might be in question. But Flacco's got that arm. Higgins has that touchdown upside there in the red zone too. So just something to monitor there.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, and I think you make a good point about the AC joint sprain. Jeff Mueller, he's a guy that I think we both probably follow on Twitter and he is a doctor of physical therapy. Therapy. I believe I might be giving him some stolen valor there. I don't know if he's a doctor or not, but he's a physical therapist. I know that at least. And, and he does really good work. But a lot of what he talks about are body mechanics and he kind of showed a picture of what Joe Flacco typically looks like throwing the ball and then what he looked like throwing the ball at practice today. And you can see his elbow isn't as high as it should be. Like his elbow is down a little bit. Like it looks like he's really struggling with that throw. So I, I think that makes a very good point that like T. Higgins, since playing with Joe Flacco, has been reliant on those big plays. And if Flacco doesn't have the arm strength in this matchup to push the ball downfield and get it to T. Higgins, we could be looking at a lot more underneath work. So I like that call out quite a bit. I'm sure you noticed this, Corey, when looking at the schedule, but Chiefs and Bills is just like buried in the afternoon slate like this feels like it has all of the makings of a primetime matchup and here we just have to have to watch it at 4:25pm Eastern. Buried with all the other afternoon games. But Pacheco, it seems like he's gonna be out for the next few weeks. Do you expect touches to be split between Kareem Hunt and Brashard Smith in Pacheco's absence?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, looking at the two, obviously Kareem Hunt, he's just going to handle those short yarded situations. 12 yards for the first down, 12 yards at the goal line. Wouldn't be surprising for him just to be a good old 15 carry, 40 yards, three touchdown game. You know, Smith, he can hopefully continue to be utilized with that pass catching ability. He gets some sprinkles in there with the carries. You know, he's a converted running back as he was a wide receiver with the University of Miami in college, transferred to SMU where he had one year as a running backs, but looking a little bit more at that pass catching ability. Smith, he currently leads running backs in yards per route run. So PPR leagues. Smith certainly can be valuable, especially if he gets a little bit of an increase in role with carries and some more reception. Well noted earlier there, Hunt, he can just plop into that end zone twice a week. Just a few yards, Art, and then you have 12 points there.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah. So that, you know, Alfredo and I, we talked about this as well on our ranking show. As you'd imagine, we had them grouped a little bit closer together. I think that Hunt is the safer play and the more high ceiling play, but that doesn't mean that Rashard Smith, especially if this game ends up going into a game script where they're forced to pass the ball a little bit. There still is some upside with Rashard Smith, but definitely want to take a wait and C approach where I can with Smith. You know, not like super anxious to get him in my lineups this week because I think in what is darn close to a must win game, you know, as. As must win as a Week 9 game can be, I think they're going to lean on their, their trusty veteran a little bit. Yeah. Another tight end question for you, Corey. We're. We're tight end heavy on this one because I know that's kind of your specialty. Travis Kelsey, is he back?
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Corey Spala
Yeah. I mean, Kelsey, he's on Pace for 78 receptions and 1,007 yards. He's been a tight end one in five out of eight. It's not been pretty, but he's been doing a serviceable job there for age 36, obviously. Is he back? Well, he may not be back to his previously historical expectations, but maybe we can assume he's about 80%, which would mean, you know, those four or five receptions for 60 yards. And noted earlier there with Loveland, that's going to be better than most tight end options and a serviceable play you can entrust every week.
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Dave Kluge
Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at it right now. I think this like, like shocks a lot of people, but he's 18th in the league in receiving yards. He's behind only Tyler Warren among tight ends. And it's frustrating for me as somebody who like looks at the numbers and the film because so many of his yards have come on busted plays where it's just like, I'm sure you saw the one last week where he wasn't even supposed to be running a route. He was supposed to block. There was nobody to block and there were 40 yards of green field in front of him and he just kind of turned around and started waving and Mahomes put it on him and he picked up a huge play. We also saw that in week one, like where it was just this broken play that he was able to run in for a big touchdown. But I think that's just kind of a product of the offense now is like defenses are forced to pick their poison. When you've got Rashi Rice and Xavier Worthy and Hollywood Brown and you've got a strong run game and now you've got, you know, Taekwond Thornton and these like tertiary pieces that are getting involved as well, it's going to leave four busted plays. And if Travis Kelce is open on an island, Mahomes is good enough to put it on him. So I, I hear a lot of talk about regression and how these big plays aren't sustainable. But, but you know, if you're one of the best offenses in the league and you have multiple threats, there are going to be opportunities for big plays. So yeah, I'm kind of thinking not, not back that he's like, you know, the, the number one overall guy tiers above everybody else. But definitely in that plug and play tight end. One discussion right now. I want to talk about Dalton Kincaid as well, the other tight end in this matchup. He was heating up, you know, right before the buy or not. Not before the buy, before the injury we saw a career high 108 yards and then he got hurt and then there was the buy and then he did nothing coming back from that. So now look at in week nine, how are you viewing Dalton K somebody you're putting in your lineup or what are we doing here?
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean if he is healthy, you certainly can trust him. But this matchup may be a little bit tough. Chiefs are not a good matchup as they are letting up the fourth fewest points to tight ends. I think they're averaging giving up four receptions for 37 yards in a PPR league. 7.7 yard or points. Excuse me, 7.7 points is not the worst but that's kind of a, a, a low floor there to expect out of that. Looking at Kincaid though, he is third among all receivers. That does include wide receivers in NFL in yards per route, run versus man coverage and fourth versus zone coverage. So he certainly is playing exceptionally well. However, the Chiefs are not a good matchup which could limit that ceiling.
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Dave Kluge
So sticking with this game, I want to talk about Khalil Shakir a little bit because we've seen him heating up, looking really good, doing what he's always done, making big plays after the catch. Seems like he's emerging as the wide receiver one here, but the ball is spread so thin that I still have some trepidation in moving Khalil Shakir too high up my lineups. So I want to try to make this a little bit actionable for the listeners here who are some wide receivers or running backs, whatever, if we're talking about Flexbot here. But who are some guys that you would start Khalil Shakir ahead of this week? Just trying to, you know, help some managers out that might be facing some start sit decisions.
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Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean he seems to be a nice safe floor play. You know, looking at it, his season high in yards is 88. You know, he gets about four receptions. That's great. That's one you don't necessarily want to be trusting too much. So wide receivers like, you know, Xavier Worthy or you know, the aforementioned Jameson Williams would definitely be receivers to look to start over. But I'm not trying to. If we're looking for upside, Shakira might not be that he's just a safe floor play, expecting a good old 4 for 45 for 50 type yard stat line.
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Dave Kluge
Doesn't it feel like we're just like due for a boom game? Like he's the wide receiver one on one of the best offenses in football. And like I know we haven't seen it yet, but like maybe I'm a sucker for continuing to rank him as a wide receiver too, but like I just keep waiting for that boom game and it's just not coming.
- [29:17]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean last year he only had two 100 yard receiving games. A bunch, you know, five, six, seven receptions. It's just, just big plays like that I guess just aren't necessarily happening. But a safe floor.
- [29:29]
Dave Kluge
Yeah. And again, like I said, he's just this yards after the catch guy. Ever since Jeff Bell said it, it's just frustrated me so much. It was like three, four weeks ago on a show, he just said like, imagine if Khalil Shakir Got Amanra Saint Brown treatment. And now every time I watch a Bills game, I'm just like, why aren't they giving this guy the ball 12 times a game? Like he could break fantasy football. He's that type of talent. But sometimes I think Joe Brady just. Just overthinks things a little bit. And, you know, when you gotta draw up a design touch to Elijah Moore and Curtis Samuel, you know, you just. You got to do it. All right. Exactly. Yeah. Ray Davis getting more involved. Yeah. Like pulling James Cook and Gabe Davis. Yes, yes, yes. All the Davises are going to be getting touches in Buffalo this week, but Jaguars at Raiders. I want to talk about this one a little bit. I don't know if you saw this literally popped up as we were recording Travis Hunter on the injury report, suffered a knee injury after practice yesterday.
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Corey Spala
No.
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Dave Kluge
Looks like he was able to practice in a limited fashion. So, you know. No, no, no. Major concern here, but definitely don't like to see that. But for the sake of discussion, let's just say that both of these guys, Brian Thomas Jr. And Travis Hunter, are both going to be healthy. Who do you think scores more in this matchup?
- [30:45]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, I know you said to assume both are healthy, but I.
- [30:48]
Dave Kluge
Think let's assume they're active.
- [30:51]
Corey Spala
Yeah, active. Brian Thomas, you know, has that shoulder injury and, you know, Hunter here with now that knee. But I. Let's assume. I do believe Travis Hunter will score more. You know, week seven, the game before their bye week. Head coach, you know, Liam Cohen said Hunter gonna be involved more in that offense. And then, what do you know, he proceeded to have 14 targets in that game. Now, again, that bye week happened, and now it's expected Hunter should be involved more similarly moving forward. And hopefully there's that increase in being the first read in the passing game. Now, I'm not anti Brian Thomas. I just think that Travis Hunter is the superior wide receiver and that Thomas, he's more of a better complement to a wide receiver, one like Hunter.
- [31:37]
Dave Kluge
Thank you. Yeah, I've been trying to beat that drum all year, and nobody wants to hear it. But, like, I think Brian Thomas Jr. You know, like, he strikes me and. And I don't want this to come off wrong because, like, DK Metcalf's having a great year. But like DK Metcalf, we saw his best season ever came when he was playing alongside a prime Tyler Lockett, where Tyler Lockett could draw more targets and, you know, he could do. He'd be so much more versatile. He was around the defense's attention where DK Metcalf can rip off the big plays. I see him as such similar players and I see also Travis Hunter can do a lot of the things that Brian or that that Tyler Lockett can do. You know, working underneath, moving the chains, that sort of stuff. So I think Brian Thomas Jr. You know, a first round pick, a good athlete, he's got size and all that sort of stuff. But we've seen like it is a square peg in a round hole what Liam Cohen is asking him to do, catching these crossroads through traffic, that's just not in his bag. So I want to see Travis Hunter in that role which will hopefully allow Brian Thomas Jr. To make the big plays, which we know he can do as we saw it repeatedly last year. Want to stick with this game though. And I wanted to talk about Travis ETN a little bit. Are you getting any concern about his recent lack of production?
- [32:41]
Corey Spala
So I'm not necessarily concerned with that lack of production as his early season production just was not sustainable. The first four weeks there was a big chunk of explosive runs that boosted up those yards. You know, through the first four weeks he was averaging six yards per carry, I think with two games above eight yards. So since week five the volume has come down as he was averaging 17.8 touches for those first four weeks. Since week five, 13.3 touches. A variable to be considered is that game script for Jacksonville. Looking at that recent game against the Rams, they were losing 14 to nothing after the first quarter and 21 to nothing after half. This is not a situation where Etienne is going to get more carries. I think, you know, he's right around where he should be in fantasy production with all things considered. He was drafted around, I think RB30 this year. Around pick 92.
- [33:37]
Dave Kluge
Oh yeah. Left him for dead in drafts. Yeah.
- [33:40]
Corey Spala
Yeah. So it's about right where expectations were. Those early weeks propped him up. He just likely has come back down to what we all originally thought he is going to be.
- [33:52]
Dave Kluge
Yeah, and I think that perfectly sums it up. Like he was far exceeding expectations to start the year. Now he's kind of, you know, playing like the guy you drafted him to be. Want to talk about the Raiders though here? Brock Bowers sounds like he is back, back to back full practices at camp or I'm sorry, at practice. We'd love to see that. Any hesitancy about putting him back in your lineup? Do you want to take a wait and see approach or are you just saying like Brock Bowers, you know he's going to return to being the player that we saw last year.
- [34:20]
Corey Spala
Yeah, Brock Bowers just superior talent at the position. He's reportedly been practicing at full speed. So I'm full speed on starting him in my lineup. So a healthy Brock Bowers is a tight end I will plug in regardless of matchup. He is essentially a wide receiver. Not every tight end is going to be able to meet this metaphorical criteria. You know, this line to be considered a wide receiver. But he certainly definitely is moving like a wide receiver would. And that just creates further mismatch at the position even against cornerbacks. You know, I know we talked about Gadson earlier with linebackers. Just the way Bowers is so fluid in the way he moves, it is definitely a sight to see and a tight end to start, regardless.
- [35:02]
Dave Kluge
I mean, he's a slot receiver that can occasionally line up in line and then maul you in the blocking game as well. And I think that's kind of the, the secret sauce to why Brock Bowers is so good is because he isn't this one dimensional guy. He can move like a slot receiver and he can block like, you know, any of the best inline tight ends out there. Really looking at kind of like a, a young George Kittle out here, if you will. And I know this year it feels like it's been a disappointing season from Brock Bowers, but he's been hurt all year and all you got to do is look back at week one when he had eight targets and 103 yards like Brock Bowers was the focal point of this offense. And then he was playing through an injury that clearly slowed him down. So that was probably mostly a rhetorical question. Corey. I, I knew how you were going to answer that, but just want to let everybody listening to the show like just get the warm and fuzzies. Brock Bowers is bad back, he's healthy. I've got him as my tight end. Two on the week behind only Trey McBride. So you're firing him up with utmost confidence if you've got him. Got another question for you here, Corey. And you know, Tyler Lockett hasn't done much of anything this year, but I, I can't stop hearing this voice in the back of my head about his connection with Geno Smith and the connection with Pete Carroll. Do you think he's going to change up how we're looking at and how we feel about Jacoby Myers and Trey Tucker going forward?
- [36:17]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, I guess Pete Carroll just must be stuck in like 2013 or something. I'm not sure he's gonna have an impact in terms of, like, box score statistics. He certainly could just be that veteran guy. He's gonna help develop, you know, Trey Tucker, Jack Bad, Dante Thornton. But he also could be that veteran player who's familiar with Pete Carroll to help further establish that locker room and potentially a culture that they want to be cultivated there in Las Vegas.
- [36:46]
Dave Kluge
Yeah, I think that's probably like a culture fit. Like, you know, just gets a hang out in Vegas with his buddies for the next few months before what feels like an inevitable retirement. But at the same time, I just know Pete Carroll like he loves his guys and he loves those players and, like, he was there for almost all of Tyler Lockett's career. And right now, I mean, what I was saying a few weeks ago, like, I was digging into the Trey Tucker film and I was like, wow, out. Like, they've got their new Tyler Lockett, a guy who was just a burner in his first couple of years. Now he's playing all over. He's moving the chains, he's doing all the fun things that Tyler Lockett used to do. And I can't help but feel like just when we get some confidence, like put Trey Tucker in our lineups, that all it takes is, you know, Tyler Lockett coming out there for 20, 30 of those snaps shaved the top off of Trey Tucker. And then all of a sudden he moves from being, you know, a boom bust wide receiver three to just completely off the fantasy radar. But again, that might just be me, me overthinking this because I'm used to not being able to have anything nice. Last game, I want to talk about here, Saints and Rams. How do you expect Tyler Schuck to change this offense?
- [37:46]
Corey Spala
Yeah, still still odd seeing his name spelled that way and how it's pronounced. But yeah, I'm a fan, you know, this potential change, chucking the ball downfield. Hey, ducking, there's a joke in there, I guess, chucking that ball downfield to Chris Olave and Rashid Cheed. But. But you know, that first game in debut there in the weekend, he was 17 for 30 for 128 yards. But that was against Tampa Bay looking at Spencer rattler. He was 27th in yards per attempt at 6.2 yards while looking at Chuck. He averaged 8.2 yards per attempt in college and had three seasons above nine yards per attempt. Now this week, matchup is against the Rams and they are third in pressure rate. So it may not be a good chuck the ball down field, but with all this Being said, he may not change the offense much, especially, you know, that current system and scheme may be established. Overhauling that for one quarterback may be a disservice to development. But maybe this offense, they can now have a little bit more explosive plays and get plays deep downfield, you know.
- [38:57]
Dave Kluge
Go ahead.
- [38:58]
Corey Spala
Well, not much. I was just going to say he's essentially just playing these last nine games to show New Orleans he can or cannot be their starter moving forward.
- [39:07]
Dave Kluge
Yeah, and, and I don't feel great about it. Like, I don't think that he is that good. But at the end of the day, like, they, they invested a second round picking this guy. It would kind of be malpractice to not see what he can do out here. So hoping that Chris Olave can maintain his target share, maybe score some more touchdowns here, but we'll see how this all shakes out. Out. This next question I have for you, Corey, like, it's not even like an analytical question. Like, I'm just kind of treating you like my therapist right now. I guess Alvin Camara, like, Kendra Miller's out of the picture. There's no touch competition. Like, I'm not worried off by Devin Neal. Why do I still feel so cautious about putting Alvin Camara in my lineups?
- [39:41]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I don't know this Kellen Moore offense, just this whole new offense. We've seen a decline in Kamara's, you know, passing game usage. He's seeing a historic low according to his history. Historical usage, historic low, and screens and backfield flares. So this is where we've seen a good portion of receptions and production, you know, to utilize his ability as a runner. So this, you know, new offense and the lack of receptions is kind of what we're missing and what we always liked about him for fantasy.
- [40:12]
Dave Kluge
Yeah. And I think it's really just kind of as simple as that is. Like this. This offense doesn't draw up passing opportunities for the running backs. We didn't see Saquon Marco involved as a rusher last year or as a receiver last year. Like, he got there on rushing and he got there on touchdowns and he got there on breakaway plays but not getting the pass catching upside. So there's been so much buzz about running backs at the trade deadline and who's going where, but my goodness, like, just put Alvin Camara on a good offense that actually treats him the way that he should be treated. Devonte Adams, you know, he has been on fire. Last we saw him, he had three touchdowns over the pond. But now with Puka Nakua back in the lineup. How do you expect Devonte Adams to produce?
- [40:51]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean, I'm confident Adams is gonna be remain involved with the Rams. Obviously. Looking at the first five weeks there with Nakua, he had. Adams had 46 targets there in the first five weeks in these games. He had three wide receiver, two finishes and one wide receiver, one finish. He averaged 15.1 points per game. A low of 9.1, a high of 22.6. He's a great wide receiver play option, maybe a flex if you have two stronger receivers to plug in. I'm just going to assume He's a comfortable 12 point floor with that upside.
- [41:26]
Dave Kluge
I think that's a good way to put it. Yeah, I mean like he has still been so involved and I wish I ran the numbers before the show, but last I checked, I know going into that last game before the buy, I was looking at, you know, how receivers target shares were combining and Pukiniku and Devonte Adams when they were playing together. So I guess nothing's changed because Pukuniku hasn't played. So when they were playing together, they were combining for a 69 target share, which is very, very nice. So we like to see that. Last question I have for you, Blake Corum, is he a flex play or is he just a stash and a handcuff?
- [42:00]
Corey Spala
I mean, you could consider him a flex play if you want to be desperate and hope for a touchdown. You know, I'm not comfortable starting this backup cup who does not get receptions and he's only averaging 5.9 carries per game.
- [42:14]
Dave Kluge
Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of that like you're praying that he can score, which he has a couple of times. But there's no like role for either of these running backs. It's not like, you know, Blake Horm isn't coming in on passing downs. He's not coming in for goal line work. It's just like every third drive they're like, all right, Kyron, you know, rest up. Blake, you go take this and. And you just hope that he's the one that punches in that touchdown when they get all the way down the field. Well, Corey, that'll do it for the games that I wanted to talk about today. But as always, I like to close with the same question. This can be football related or otherwise. What is a hill you are willing to die on?
- [42:45]
Corey Spala
I know you said hill, but I have hills. I am passionate about fast food and fast casual food. So here we go. Raising canes and chick fil A are overrated. Needing a sauce to make the chicken better does not mean it's good. Speaking of chick fil a, they got the best Mac and cheese.
- [43:05]
Dave Kluge
Oh, I haven't tried that before.
- [43:08]
Corey Spala
I'm sorry Dave, but Chipotle is not good. Moe's is better. They have the better queso. And I will settle for Qdoba if there's no Moe's around. English muffin breakfast sandwiches are superior to bagel sandwiches. Being from the Chicagoland area, Chicago pizza should not be viewed as deep dish. Rather the tavern. The thin style crust pizza that should be Chicago pizza. Speaking of, saying deep dish pizza is not pizza is a very lazy take. Speaking of pizza, it's getting out of control with these toppings pizza. It should just be a cheese pizza. Pepperoni or sausage or both. Or a veggie pizza. The best pizza topping is sausage. Little Caesars is good.
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Dave Kluge
Good.
- [43:56]
Corey Spala
And Domino's is the best chain pizza. Speaking of Chicago, a little bit more. I think that ketchup on hot dog is not a sin. Furthermore, a hot dog is a sandwich.
- [44:10]
Dave Kluge
Oh, that was a talking point on today's episode where I was dressed up as a hot dog for our Halloween episode and I said it was just as much of a taco as it was a sandwich.
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Corey Spala
But sorry, a piece of bread or a split bun. Open face is a sandwich. Buffalo Wild wings is not good. Goes back to raising canes and chick fil a needing sauce to be considered good does not mean it's good. Bone in wings are superior than boneless wings. Speaking of, why do we call boneless wings boneless when a wing has a bone? This is a chicken nugget you are speaking of. It's a glorified saucy nugget. Hot honey is a horrible food. Trend Ranch is an inferior dipping sauce to ketchup. Taco Bell does not give you explosive diarrhea. Arby's, it's totally fine. I don't know where this hate is. Arby's, essentially the nickelback of fast food. Burger King is good. It doesn't deserve the hate. McDonald's coffee is better than Starbucks.
- [45:16]
Dave Kluge
Agreed 100%. McDonald's iced coffee. Love it. Like once a week. I crave it. Love it.
- [45:21]
Corey Spala
And it's cheaper. It's like a dollar. Speaking of McDonald's, I guess because vertical fries, they are the best value to get as a fry. You know, opposed to curly or waffle fries, curlier waffle fries, they're going to leave too much empty space given their shape in the container. Speaking of McDonald's. The small fry bag will expand as it's filled with more opposed to those medium and large containers that are solid. Food science says the best value is a large Wendy's fry. From a cost per gram, fill ratio and calories percent perspective, the best fast food burger is Wendy's. But the best fast casual burger is five guys. You know, you could spare me with your local in and out or whataburger chain. Five guys. Best casual burger. Speaking of that, ordering a base level hamburger and adding ingredients is far superior and better value than ordering that actual burger. For example, ordering a Double cheeseburger from McDonald's and adding Mac sauce and lettuce is cheaper. A Big Mac is about 5.29, 5.79. Wherever you're located. A double cheeseburger is 2.99. And adding lettuce and Mac sauce may only cost you about a dollar. Similar to lettuce free.
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Dave Kluge
Actually, lettuce is free at McDonald's. You don't even have to pay for it. Yeah, you can just add it on. It's like my favorite food.
- [46:52]
Corey Spala
Hack double cheeseburger and add Max Austin lettuce, you're probably looking at 3.79. So you save A$50. Similar to a restaurant. When I order a cheeseburger with bacon on the side, I am not ordering the bacon cheeseburger. I am ordering a cheeseburger for the set price. Bacon for that set price. I don't want the bacon cheeseburger. That is likely going to be more money than each individual cheeseburger and bacon on the side. Those are my hot takes. Yeah, for now.
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Dave Kluge
I was trying to take notes down here so I can like respond to all these because there are so many good ones. First of all, Arby's completely with you. I lived in high school. Do you remember the 5 for 5 deal that they used to have?
- [47:41]
Corey Spala
I remember something like that because I would get five junior chicken sandwiches and they took that off the menu in 2013. And I've been very upset ever since.
- [47:48]
Dave Kluge
They used to have this deal. We'd go like every single day. Whatever sport I was in, whether it was volleyball season, basketball season, football season, me and my buddies would go to Arby's every single day after practice and they would have this 5, 5, 5 deal where they would just 5. It was like 20 different things that were a part of this deal. And you could pick any five. And it was like you said the, the, the chicken sandwich. You can get a junior roast beef, you can get a jamocha shake, which is like one of the most underrated fast food items anywhere. And yeah, I'd get two beef sandwiches, a jamoka shake, curly fries and mozzarella sticks for $5 like that. That is not happening in today's world. Other major thing, the, the note that I wrote down here, here. I like Chipotle. I'm a noted Chipotle enthusiast. Just because it fits in my macros and it's cheap and it's consistent. I agree with you on Moe's. I think Mo's is better. But you got to get out west and try some illegal Pete's. Have you heard of illegal Petes?
- [48:41]
Corey Spala
I've heard a bunch of definitely. People note that. I tried sticking with chains that are American nationwide, but yeah, probably was you. Yeah, that's it.
- [48:50]
Dave Kluge
Arizona, California, Colorado, those are the only places you can find it. But dude, I blows Chipotle, Moe's, Qdoba, whatever, you know, Mexican chain you want to think of. Illegal Pete's is far superior to all that. So when you come out here and visit, I will pick you up from the plane and we will go directly to an illegal Pete's and it'll just be a life changing experience for you. Well, there you have it folks. Come for the the football talk. Stay for see some some budget friendly fast food takes. I like that too. You know, helping us save some money here, here. Another one I'll say which I I know you are big on is download fast food apps. Like if you're a fast food eater, there is no reason that you should just be going into a drive through and ordering your food. If you are just ordering food the old fashioned way, going through a drive through, going up to the counter, all you're doing is subsidizing the users that are on the apps. I mean just unbelievable deals like they are just giving food away. You can go to McDonald's or like Taco Bell for like five bucks. They've got that create your own box where you can just get like a meal for two for $5. Like getting 1999 or 1995 prices on the app in 2025 and people don't even realize it.
- [49:59]
Corey Spala
Yep, I will say that lux box, it's 5.99 and you get a specialty. So you I get a Gordita Crunch 5.99 Gordita Crunch soft shell Taco Fiesta potatoes and a medium drink 5.99. A Gordita Crunch itself is 5.79. So you're definitely missing out on those apps.
- [50:19]
Dave Kluge
Yep, showed my Wife that one a while back. And I said, you're never getting anything from McDonald or from taco Bell again unless it's something that you can get in this luxe box. And. And Corey, just last thing I'll say here, I'm having a. A funny little flashback. Do you remember last time we did a show? It was with Justin Boone live stream.
- [50:33]
Corey Spala
Oh right.
- [50:34]
Dave Kluge
It might have been on the launch pad. And this was, was a couple of years ago and we were recording with our friend Justin Boone. And I remember when we started recording it was like bright. He had a bunch of natural sunlight. And as we were recording it just kept getting darker and darker and darker. And as you and I were recording, I could see out your back window. It was daytime when we started. Now it is nice and dark outside. So just brought me back to that show. But yeah, also the live streams if you want to find some like really deep cuts. You know, five plus years ago we used to have a show called Coming off the Edge that we would do together. A little blend of a comedy slash fantasy football slash hangouts. It was me, you, Jeff Bell, chef, Cooter Doodle. You know, we had, we had some good fun back in those days. 20, 20 years.
- [51:18]
Corey Spala
Well, good thing you talked about a visual for all these audio listeners.
- [51:23]
Dave Kluge
Yeah, I mean I can see it. Nobody else can. Nobody else can see Corey's beautiful face. But yeah, you know, if you're on Twitter, be sure to follow Corey. And Corey, let everyone know too. I mean you're doing some stuff for us over at football guys, but you've also got your YouTube channel, some other things you're working on, you know, the floor is yours. Let everyone know where they can find you.
- [51:37]
Corey Spala
Yeah, I mean if you want. I do have a Twitter. Corey Spale. I don't really tweet much touch. Just be hanging out in our chats. Do work for the football guys. A lot of tight ends like he said. I do have a YouTube channel, but it's not fantasy football related. But you could check that out. Yayrock Media Y E R O C Media. I do a bunch of comedy edits.
- [51:57]
Dave Kluge
With that and that'll do it for today's show. I'll be back next week with Mung Song and we'll be talking about some Week 10 matchups. As always, thank you so much for tuning in. The show would not be possible possible without you taking the time to listen. So means so much to me that we were able to spend this time together. Best of luck this weekend with all your Week 9 matchups and I will see you next week.
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