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10. 219, 219 forward progress a Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matt Abeticola on 3one2Sports.
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The game may not be over, but it's certainly over enough as we stand 45 to 21 and the Bears are tripping all over themselves so far in Detroit. An extremely disappointing game. And there's just, there's no reason to, to sit around and wait for this one to come to the bitter end because this, we just asked that they play better, that we didn't expect them to win. Maddie Dan Bernstein, Matt Battacola with you here. Forward progress 312 sports. This is our live Bears post game. Thank you. Thank you for being here with us and for hanging out. We figured we would just get the jump on it. But you know, my, my criticism of the Bears today began even, even before the game. It began when I looked at the inactives and I saw two second round picks and a third round pick as healthy scratches.
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Yep. Yeah, it's. And you know, and then the game starts off. Dan and you know, we talked a lot about special teams and the opening kickoff is kicked out of bounds and it just, it was the irony there is the inability to do it last week when you needed it in the game to save time. And then you start the game off there and it just, again, not the huge, not a huge deal. It's not why they lost the game and why they look terrible at times, but you just come out and that's your opening kickoff. You kick the ball out of bounds to start the game.
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Well, they again had a terrific first drive, a great game plan scripted. He knew what he wanted to run, he knew what he wanted to see. But this is the second game in a row where you don't get anything out of that. The whole idea of the success on that drive, even failure on the first drive, even being able to call the plays and learn something from them. If you have any kind of coaching advantage whatsoever, that's supposed to be your chance to learn to poke and prod a little bit and see what you can do later in the game. And we're not getting any of that.
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No, we didn't. And you know, and we talked about this at length during the week about the expectations for the game. I, I didn't expect the Bears to win this game. I wanted them to come out and at least look like an NFL football team. They accomplished that. Not, not a very good football team.
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You didn't say good NFL.
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I didn't look good. I just said but like, like last week it looked like they had never seen a football field before that. That was embarrassing. The coach looked like he'd never done anything with a football team before. The quarterback looked like he had never played the game before. At least this week. They look like a bad NFL team. I didn't expect them to win this game. I thought there was really no shot they'd win this game. I actually had the Lions laying six and a half. I thought that was, that wasn't enough. But they came out and they looked terrible.
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Jared Goff is 22 of 27 for 330 yards, four touchdowns, no interceptions. An absolutely fantastic, phenomenal performance against no pass rush to speak of nothing.
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You know, they pressured him a few times, Dan. Not enough consistently. But I like, there's got to be something in the preparation for this game. Knowing he does not move, he is not going to escape the pocket and get downfield and hurt you. You don't have to worry about that with him. You there, there's. There should be something in the preparation to get after him. Like with all, like with even more intensity than a running back, than a quarterback who can hurt you with his feet. Why that wasn't there, why he had the ability to step up in a pocket and look downfield for five or six seconds. I don't care who's starting in the backfield. I don't care if it's your starters or your, your reserves or third string guys or practice squad guys. It doesn't matter five or six seconds, you're going to get beat in the NFL. It's just that simple.
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Now I apologize because this is something I've never done before, ever. In, in my career. Career. I've never gone on to do any sort of Bears post game analysis while the game is actually going on. So. And I know that this is something that was explained to us by our friends at Score north up in Minneapolis.
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That they do with caution.
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Yes. And they had the greatest comeback of all time as they decided to go on and fire everybody and they ended up winning the game. So if you see me kind of looking away that, that's why I'm looking away. Because this is an entirely new set.
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To do with me.
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No, it's nothing. I can't. I can't keep my eyes on Matty. I just. It's just what?
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It is too hard for you. I know.
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Yes. Sorry. Do you remember when we talked about the Bears having tight ends?
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Yes, I think so. What's going on? The guy they drafted and then a Guy they, they extended his contract, right?
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What's going on, what is going on right now with that? Because Cole Comet has one target. He caught the ball. I give that he caught it. So that's great. And is Colson Loveland okay? Is he right?
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It's, you know, it's funny when my 12 year old son is like why, why did, like he's in the second quarter of the game, we're watching, he's like, why do they draft Loveland? Like he's going to be a bust. Like, well, I don't know if he's a bust, buddy, but they're certainly not throwing the football. And I said last week he was, he was in the game to block, to be an extra blocker because their offensive line needed some help. He's like, why is that? He goes, other tight ends catch the ball.
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So you have a first round pick who is invisible. You have two second round picks and a third round pick or healthy scratches. Not a great day for Ryan polls, not to mention. And man, I've got, I've got a long list of stuff here. Second quarter, third and one sneak short. Fourth and one sneak, fourth and inches, fourth and inches short. You revamped your inside line to the tune of what it's $68 million in contracts. You traded a fourth round pick and more for, you know, whatever you got in the Jonah Jackson deal. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't understand what that expenditure was if you can't get half a yard on fourth down there.
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Yeah, they didn't need a half a yard. And you know, it's interesting, Jonathan Vilma doing the, the game with Kenny Albert. You remember the Bears first offensive snap was a direct snap to, to Swift.
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Correct.
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And, and in his analysis of the game, former player, super bowl champion, he said this is a really good move by Ben Johnson. It quote, takes some pressure off Caleb and quote the game had just started. It was the first. What, what pressure are we taking off your number one overall goddamn pick that you need to do a direct snap on the road and the first play of the game to take pressure off your quarterback. Please.
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Another touchdown for Amon Ra St. Brown. It's now 51 to 21.
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Hey, I'm going to tell you this. Listen, jot his name down. He's. He's going to be a good wide receiver in the NFL.
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Yeah, St. Brown, good call there. The. This reminds me of a game that I covered in Detroit at the Silver Dome. This reminds me of the Scott Mitchell game against the Dave Wanstead Bears and you can look up the score. I believe it was 50 something to 20 something.
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You covered that game.
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I was, I was at the Silver Dome for that game and that was the game where Wayne Laravy during his play by play said Mitchell back to pass. And why not? Because the Bears were playing off coverage and allowing them to just carve through. I actually think that Goff has had a better game today than than Scott Mitchell did in that game. It is now 52 to 21, 52 points for Ben Tressman's Bears 52. And I understand their hurt and that's another aspect that I want to get to here.
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Also Jalen Johnson injury.
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Well, I mentioned this last week on forward progress regarding the Bears tiring on defense and Jonathan Vilma pointed it out too.
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Yes, he did.
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Because in the second quarter Vilma said on Fox the effort on that drive was bad. You know what else is bad on that drive? The numbers. Because they gave up when they went down 21 to 7. The Bears defense gave up plays of 9 yards, 9 yards, 18 yards, 11 yards and 8 yards. That's called getting gashed.
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Yep.
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I'm very curious about the Bears conditioning. If you're playing outside in 90 degree weather in September, we've seen it before. We've seen that famous game that was down in Miami when everybody got tired. There was a game here years ago when they I think was in Jacksonville actually where there was the Curtis Enos tired game when he came out and he couldn't come back in the game because he was too tired. This is not that last week was gorgeous, a cool day this week climate controlled indoor game and yet it appears they're tiring. And two of your best defensive players re injured their previous injuries. Yep, they re injured their previous injuries. They weren't knocked out, they weren't sprained ankles. These weren't traumatic brain injuries. This was your corner re injuring his groin out for the game and your linebacker in TJ Edwards re injuring his hamstring out for the game. And please understand a lot of this is beyond the control of trainers and doctors. But I want to know where the line of their control meets that limit because it's not okay. Maybe they should have sat another week, maybe not. But this is two games now where I've written down conditioning. Are they in shape?
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You know, and it's. You have talked about that. You talked about it at length in the first game. And what Jonathan Vilma said he actually added too. He said that their eyes were Tired. They, they look tired after the, the, the touchdown. They made it 21 to 7. So this is, that's him saying that and he knows what he's talking about. I mean, this is a Super bowl champion, awesome linebacker. So he saw a defense that was gap. That's what he saw in watching. That's what he gave you. So why is it happening two plays in a row now? Jalen Johnson, when I heard that he was starting Dan, they told us that he's going to give it a go. It's an important divisional game. Not as important as him being healthy, though. Not as important if it meant one more week means complete healing. Then you sit, you sit against the Lions. He made a fantastic play on the play. He got injured on. It was, I mean, that was another catch to Brown where he had a, he had. The first drive, he had a, a catch of 34. The second drive they stopped him. The third drive, a catch of 32. That was going to be a big, a big third down reception. He made a hell of a play, but he gets injured. If he wasn't ready to go, he shouldn't have gone. Regardless of the opponent, it's week two. You can't tell me after week one that I can't criticize this team because it's not enough time has passed. But then force him out there to play if it's only week two. You can't have it both ways.
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Well, I also don't think it was an unreasonable expectation that the Bears simply acquit themselves better. That was all that was asked.
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Absolutely.
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And you can judge whether or not they did in this game. But I sure don't like the way the scoreboard looks.
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Well, you know, it's, it's interesting. Listen to the, the pregame show and hearing Jeff Joniak, one of the first things he said was talked about. He was talking about the, the communication issues. Like that's the kind of stuff I wanted to avoid last week with Ben. That's what I thought we were avoiding. Those things that you could prepare and overcome with preparation. Now you can't, you can't have a guy who's a better team or a better player than you. That's going to happen. But being more prepared for a football game. So those are the things I wanted to see cleaned up this game. Still too many penalties, way too many penalties on the, on the offensive line. But yeah, they cleaned up those things that I think he can control as, as the head coach.
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Caleb Williams is out, Tyson Bagent is in. And that's so that decision has been.
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Made reflective of the score.
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Man.
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I know people are excited about it now. People are getting fired up.
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That's what the game left. That's how bad this is. That is with seven minutes left. That is halfway through the fourth quarter. You're using this as a developmental opportunity for your backup quarterback. And I don't think it's punitive in any way.
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Yeah, that's. Yeah.
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I think that this is simply to make sure he doesn't get hurt in a lost game. But. Wow, that is. That is something. And it's certainly a lot of people are going to get the wrong message from this, I do think. Because people are going to go out of their way to try to misunderstand what's happening. I. This is.
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Unless I Particularly if he goes. Let's say he goes 7 for 10 and he throws two stupid touchdowns. Yeah, it's going to be.
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Well, then Ben Johnson's bringing it on himself if that's the case.
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Yeah.
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Because they have to be very, very clear about what this move is. And I've got the sound off here and just trying to keep an eye on it. The cutaways to Caleb Williams show him obviously looking unhappy and he's not there talking to anyone. But I am. I do know the way that the Bears fandom is going to react to this, especially if. If Tyson Bagent drives the Bears down the field against a defense that is giving them the middle because they're leading 52 to 21. That's the score. Unbelievable.
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Yeah. And right now, you look at the Lions, this sounds like a Ben Johnson offensive coordinated, led Lions team, 173 yards rushing for the Lions in the game. David Montgomery with 57. Jamar Gibbs with 94, averaging 7.8 5.2 yards per carry. I mean, just running the ball up and down on the Bears defense. And again, getting. Getting to a guy who is showing the ability to step up in the pocket and that's the most he can move. And barely getting any pressure on an immobile quarterback, giving him five to six seconds to throw the ball. When you do that with golf, you're gonna. You're gonna lose every single time. He is 23 of 28, 11.9 average, five touchdowns, quarterback rating of 156.
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Right now, DJ Moore did nothing when it mattered, and he's been targeted six times. He's got five receptions for 46 yards. Do we. Can we be kind of done with whatever people wanted to see from Kyle Menungai? I don't Know what you want to see from.
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Did he get any carries? I don't think he's had any career.
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He was targeted three times. He dropped one badly. He has made one catch, and at the moment he has three carries for zero yards.
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Zero yards? Yeah.
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Correct.
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So that's good, right?
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Well, they don't really have anyone other than Swift.
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Yes, they don't. And we. And this is again, something we talked about going into the season about the. The running back room. Can we also. Can we also just officially name Roma Dunes the number one wide receiver and just get that done and over with? He's number one.
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Yeah. He had a bad drop today, too.
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He did? Oh, no. He had a couple balls, actually.
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A couple drops?
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Yeah, a couple that he should have held on to. But I mean, can we just say it, that he's the number one wide receiver? It's. It's pretty. Pretty obvious there, too.
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Well, he's a number nine overall pick.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I don't think that's a big deal to say that your number nine overall pick is your number one wide receiver.
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But, Dan, it is a big deal when you look at what the general manager did and you look at where he's at right now on the calorie, the salary cap hits for the season. Who's number two on your team? DJ Moore. Who's number one? Montez Sweat. So again.
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Oh, wait, I remember him. I remember Montez Sweat. But you talk about a blast from the past. Wow. That's a name I haven't heard in a while. How's he doing?
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He still plays. He's on the team. Really? Yeah, he's a starter for the Bears.
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For whom?
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The Bears. This team.
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Oh, he's on the bears.
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98. Yes.
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Okay. All right.
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Montez Sweat. Yes.
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Great. Thank you for. Thank you for telling me that because I remember.
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Next time, man.
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I remember a long time ago, there was something they called the Tez effect. Remember? It's that just him being out there made everybody better.
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Yeah. If you say next week when they play the Cowboys. Oh, by the way, can't wait for the top 10 Cowboys of all time. They play the Cowboys. Look, when the defense first gets on the field, you look, you'll see Montez. What? He's there. Number 98.
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Okay, I'm going to write that down.
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He had a sack today that was taken away by offset penalties, so.
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Right. So he didn't have a sack.
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Eliminated that one sack he could have had.
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Okay, I'm going to write that down that you said that you Claim. And you can prove this? I can prove Montez sweat plays for the Bears.
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Yes, he does. So when I like that goes out there next week. First, first play. He'll be on the field, number 98.
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Now you mentioned that we are going to be doing the top 10 Cowboys of all time. I can't wait for that. And I'm not even going to mention the top 10 Lions of all time that we missed because they got to play the Lions again. So we'll get to our next group of lions. So don't worry about that. And somebody said what are you going to do when eventually find the top 10 Bears bye week.
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Oh, yes, yes.
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The bye week is when we're going to be doing the all time top ten Bears.
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Don't worry.
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Yeah, don't worry because that is something you only get on forward progress and you are listening to to the forward progress post game show here on YouTube. Dan Bernstein, Matt Abaticola. And we just got our first comment there. That is Matt. Y o u r. You're not. You are. You're a liar. You have a liar.
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He's upstairs.
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Okay, good. I actually have a lyre L y R e and I don't know how to play it yet, but I'm going to take lessons.
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Oh, that's funny because I discovered this brand of non alcoholic spirits and it's, it's liar L y r e. What.
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Are non alcoholic spirits?
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It's that you can make cocktails out of them but there's no booze.
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So I don't get it.
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Yeah, it's like, it's like. So it's a, it's a, it's a mixer that is made from like herbs and you know, different things to mimic the taste and flavor of an alcohol flavored booze. But there's no alcohol. All right, anyway, I didn't mean to get. I still don't get it. But whatever.
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I still don't get it. We'll say that. All right, so make sure, just make sure if you, if you.
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Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on. There's another comment there.
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What? Oh, okay. Oh, there you go.
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I'm not sure what I lied about.
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Thank you for. Thank you for correcting yourself, Fernando. Much appreciated.
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What did I lie about? Maybe, maybe he can tell me, Fernando, but that's fine.
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So where will Ben Johnson come down after this one when he says how much of this is. Well, hey, man, I got a bigger job than I thought I had because he can't say that. But it's too early to start picking at some of the seams of this. Some of the seams that aren't quite as tight as we thought. And one of those is the personnel side of this, as we've pointed out. At what point is Ben Johnson going to start whispering to people, hey, I mean, I got all the. We got a couple of drafts worth of guys here who are inactive and I don't really know what I can. What I can do with these people here. You know, I wish I had such and such from back in my history to come in and start making some of these picks because we believe that the Loveland pick was his, right? That wasn't.
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Polls correct. Well, that's what, that's what we believe.
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Okay.
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That's what we believe. I mean, I, you know, obviously pulls. Makes the pick, but I'm sure he had, he had the influence on it, that this is the guy we need because this is the kind of stuff that we run. This is what our offense will look like. I bet you he even had a, you know, either did on a whiteboard or he had a PowerPoint presentation of what the offense will look like. And he sat Ryan polls down and polls is like, yeah, I'm not really good at picking anyway. So. Sure, why don't you take this pick?
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It was supposed to be better than this. It. No matter what anybody wants to say, no matter what any bears apologist wants to say, I think we can all agree that this is not okay, that it was supposed to look better than this, that we weren't going to have garbage time midway through the fourth quarter of a divisional game.
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But Dan, coming off a loss, again, you can't judge a team until at least four or six weeks into the season. So I think you're being premature of your judgment that it's unfair to call them bad. I mean, you look at it really. Ben Johnson barely knows Caleb Williams. He's still getting to know the player. How can he run an effective offense without knowing the player? Right? So let's cut him some slack. I think this was a really good showing. 52 to 21. I think the Bears are well on their way to playing Dallas next week.
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Yeah, it's. It's an immensely disappointing turn of events. And I agree that they got, they got screwed on that end of half play. I don't think I've ever seen that before. It was a bad call. It resulted in the stoppage and then the runoff. But you know what, Make a play, then play over it. Make a play, then.
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You know what that Sounds like that sounds like the, the Hail Mary play in the Commander's game that derailed the entire season. Like what one that derailed this game.
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Twice I wrote down that Tyreek Stevens is getting picked on. Oh yeah, twice.
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Yeah, we had one, one of our commenters that said he should get cut immediately, which he should have been last year.
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Well, that's a different argument. But I don't think you can do that because you're down to Nick McLeod. You're playing guys you never heard of.
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And then your guy Wright got in the game again today too, after Jalen Johnson went down.
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Right. I think we can be done with the whole Nayshaan Wright training camp raising eyebrows. Bowman.
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Well, can't now when Johnson's going to be out for who knows how many weeks now.
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Right. How bad is that re injury.
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Right.
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How bad is that? What was, what was it worth? What was it worth? We're down to the two minute warning, by the way. The Bears are trailing 52 to 21 with Tyson Bagent in the game for the Bears.
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This comment here, from Jeff, he says, I need Pablo Torre to investigate how Ryan Poles got this extension.
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This is.
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Yeah, so that's. Oh, that's what I was going to say, Dan. When we, we looked at last week's game and we saw the, the gap between the top of the division and the bottom of the division and the, the Bears came out and embarrassed themselves last week. They came out today and they played terrible and we see that, that, that gap, that deficit is so large from the top of the division to the bottom of division and you know who's. That is not on. That is not on Ben Johnson. That is Ron Ryan polls 100%.
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Well, here's the next question. Okay, how good is the packers defense then if the packers defense made this Detroit offense struggle the way they did. Oh boy.
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Yeah, Detroit had a hard time moving the, moving the ball and I mean in this game it looks like they're playing my son's football team in moving the ball. But I, I told you that if they stay healthy, their, their run defense will easily be top five. Easily top five. And they have some really good players, although you may not know all their names in the secondary as well. That, that is going to be a defense that is going to cause problems all year long. They, they will compete with and with Jordan Love. How good can he be? How good will he be this year? I mean the top of the division. The top of the division is so far away from where the Bears are right now. I, again, I hate, I hate going back to what we've said weeks ago, but we both agreed that the Bears could have a very positive, positive season this year off of the five wins last year and still easily finish last in this division. They're going to finish easily last in this division because they are terrible.
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Why else, right? Why else? But the primary reason is the one you just stated. And I kept seeing, too. Every time the Bears wanted to run tempo and they noticed a personnel grouping defensively that they liked, and they said, all right, let's get things moving. Maybe let's get a jump on the crowd noise a little bit. And then there kept penalties, whether it was false starts or the Drew Dahlman holding penalty. So many times they created their own headwinds, they kept stepping on their own dong. Every time they tried to do something where it made sense, you said, oh, okay, I like this idea. And then, well, okay, the clock stopped and now you're walking backwards again. Too much of that. Too much of that. They had some attempts at play action, but if you can't really get the run game going, if you can't marry up one part of your offense to another part, everything is desultory. Nothing seems to matter relative to other things. I know that term complimentary football means certain things to certain people. This is the opposite of that. Whatever the Bears are trying to do on one side of the ball isn't helping the other. And there are. And don't even start me on special teams. Don't even start me on. They finally, the coverage teams were better. But you're right, that initial kick out of bounds set the tone for Detroit's first drive.
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Yeah. And it's just that. That's just embarrassing. I mean, given what the game you came off of, special teams wise, and the way the game ended with that, that mistake on that kickoff. Then you come out this week in your first kickoff, the follow up, that last kickoff is kicked out of bounds. It's just bad. And then the, the lions come out, five plays, 60 yards, their next scoring drive, four plays, 50 yards. And going back to that play that ended the half, Dan, I don't know if you caught what Ben Johnson had to say about it coming back onto the field, but he said that he was told by, by one official that it was halftime. Go to the, the locker room. And then another official said, no, no, it's not halftime. So he's. And so he even said, this is him. I'm not sure what the. He goes. I'm not sure what the Hell happened. I'm not sure what the hell was going on, but why not? Yeah, even, even he was confused by it. But that was kind of one guy in the stadium I wanted not to be confused by. I was confused by it. But I'm sitting at home watching the game and I'm not the NFL head coach. There was one guy who should have known what was happening and been able to explain it. I was hoping it was the Bears head coach, but he couldn't either.
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The final seconds are ticking off as we speak as a grim faced Ben Johnson is trudging toward midfield to have what I'm sure is a sad little dap up with his former boss.
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And this comment here from Chris, he says it's good question too. We talked about cutting Stevenson. He says, so we cut Stevenson, they score more than 52. So I mean, yeah, really, what's the point?
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Like this 50 burger.
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Does it really matter if we have him or not?
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I mean, goddamn 50 burger.
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Well, the Lions covered that six and a half by the way.
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B
Are you sure?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm doing the math. Quick. 1, 5, 2, 3, 31 points.
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B
They won by now. Also, let the record show that my DBU pick brought to you my by my bookie actually came in that I said that DeAndre Swift would. What was it? Fewer than 14.5 rushing attempts.
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A
Yeah, I thought you were going to lose that by the first.
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B
I thought so too. You know what this is? This, this is the. The karmic. Just such things because we thought I was going to win the previous DeAndre Swift bet with the yardage and the reception yardage in the previous game, but that one actually came in, so I'm not a complete idiot.
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A
So if the Bears land the number one pick this year, what quarterbacks are coming out of college?
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B
Well, don't even, don't even.
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A
Sorry. By the way, you want some good.
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B
News then I want all the good news.
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A
The Vanderbilt Commodores take down the number 11 South Carolina Gamecocks 31 7.
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B
Well, your guy, Diego Pavia and I was watching very closely in the highlights and hearing Trev Albert say something that's vintage Diego Pavia right there. And I said if he already has a vintage play, that's basically kind of a little out route for a touchdown that everybody throws all the time. I didn't know that. Like that's what he does.
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He started it, Dan. He started the out route for a touchdown.
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B
Yeah, but you're burying the lead. Did you see what Tulane did to my alma Material?
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A
No.
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B
Oh, it was. Jake Retzlaff was just all over the place. It was a huge win for the three and. Oh, Tulane. Green Wave. Roll. Damn.
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Wave. So our shows. We are the official shows of the Green Wave and the Commodores. I love it.
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B
Well, why not? I don't know. I don't know what your attachment is to the Commodores other than just liking Diego Pavia.
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A
It's Diego Pavia.
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B
Right. But you can't just claim them, can you?
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Yes. Oh, God. Yeah. They're my team. Yeah.
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B
All right.
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A
We are the official show of the Vanderbilt Commodores.
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B
All right, well, if you're just joining us and maybe you're like, hey, I think I'm going to tune in to forward progress and see how Bernstein and a Batacola are doing after the bears get spanked, 52 to 21. Well, we started a while ago, so we have now already been on here for over a half an hour. And the question of where the Bears can go from here is. You're already picking up the pieces.
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Oh, they can go back to Soldier Field and play the Cowboys.
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B
You're already picking up the pieces. But now you've got a game that you would presume is winnable if the Cowboys are doing what they're doing heading into overtime against the Giants. The Giants are terrible. So this is your chance. Like if you start, tell me now which games the Bears win on this remaining schedule. In how many of these remaining games? You got 15 games left. In how many of these are they going to be favored? In how many games remaining?
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A
Let's see.
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B
And you're already hurt.
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A
You take a look here. All right, so we have Cowboys.
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B
So they'll be favor at home.
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A
They should be favored Commanders. They'll be underdogs. Let's see here.
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B
How did I say eight or nine wins for them.
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A
All right, wait, wait, wait, hang on a second. So they go. They host the Cowboys favored. They go to the Raiders. Underdogs there on the road.
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B
Probably because they're on the road at Commanders.
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A
They're underdogs there. Oh, and that's a 7:15 game. Is that. Is that Monday night? October 13th. Is that a Monday night? It sounds like it. Okay, so another Monday night game for the Commanders and the Bears. They host the Saints.
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B
Yeah, they'll be favored in that.
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So, I mean, at that point, they'll be at. They'll be at. They'll be one in four maybe at best two and three going into the Saints game. So you think they're favored there? They go to the Ravens. They'll be underdogs. They go to the Bengals. Underdogs.
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B
It depends. Didn't Burrow leave the game today?
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A
Yeah, but he went and got a hot dog, so he's fine. He just left for a hot dog.
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B
You sure?
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A
Hungry? Yeah. No. I don't know. I have to go look.
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B
Sound good? I.
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A
Hot dogs for dinner tonight.
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B
I have those Omaha Steaks jumbos. I think I'm going to grill them.
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A
Wait, Omaha Steaks sent you hot dogs, too?
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
And filet mignon burgers.
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B
Yeah, and I. And I used the burgers last night in a meat sauce. It was phenomenal. It was amazing.
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A
Oh, the sauce was made out of meat? Yeah, meat sauce. Oh, I don't know. If you put it on your meat. So Bengals, then they. They host the Giants.
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B
Okay.
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A
That should be favored.
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B
Yeah. Well, all right. They just have to play teams that are worse than they are.
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A
Vikings, Steelers, Eagles. Those are all losses.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Packers loss, Browns.
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B
I don't want to see the Packers.
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A
I don't see him twice.
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B
I don't want to see them at all.
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A
And the good thing is you get to do it twice in three weeks.
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B
Yeah, they're. Good luck. Good luck with that.
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A
Good luck with this division.
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B
Well, that's over.
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A
Yeah, I mean, they're going to. Yeah, they're going to go over in the division.
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B
So last week, remind me, and I'm sorry if I'm all over the place here, but I'm a little verklempt with this happening to the Bears like this. As thoroughly as they were outclassed on the road in this game, Remind me what Ben Johnson said last week about why the tight ends weren't involved. It was something to the effect of the game plan. Didn't.
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A
Yeah, no. The game just didn't call for it, that he. That they were part of. Of blocking for the run game, pass protection. It just. They. They weren't intended to go downfield and get passes. It was really meant to stay in and help block last week.
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B
Okay, well, is. Is Colson Loveland healthy? He's listed as having a target, so.
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A
As far as I'm aware, he's. He's healthy. Yeah.
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B
Now, I know it's hard for rookie tight ends. It's a. It's as difficult a position for a rookie as there is outside a quarterback. You got to go know everything in the run game, everything in the pass game. And what Brock Bowers did as a rookie was historic because it's usually not a position where as a rookie you can just jump right in and be that great. But he's, you know, already on a trajectory to potentially be a Hall of Fame tight end when he already broke all of Koch's records. But even so, because Loveland is a pass catcher first and foremost, why can't he be out there at least catching passes?
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A
I don't know. Why can't he line up in a slot and just go out for routes?
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B
Yeah, right.
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A
Yeah. I mean, he doesn't need to line up on the line and chip and release and delay and I mean, why not just line him up and let him go? Because he was supposed to really change this offense a bit and really well add to it a great impact of what Ben Johnson can do. Imagine what Ben Johnson's going to be able to do now with Colson, Loveland and Roma, Dunes A and D.J.
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B
Moore. 511 total yards for the Detroit Lions today. 511, 334 passing, 177 rushing. They had the same number of yards as Mel Ott had career home runs. Not great. Not great.
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A
Penalties finish up to 8 for 50 for the Bears. So they clean that up. And here's the great thing. The time of possession was pretty much even.
- [35:41]
B
29, 40 to 30, 200 sacks for the Bears. And Grady Jarrett did not look good either. While we're talking about injuries and conditioning, this might just be another expensive signing of a downside player because he was not moving like I expected him to move. They dropped him in coverage a couple times, but you didn't see anybody win up front.
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Dan. The Lions averaged 8.8 yards per play.
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B
Per play.
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Per play.
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B
Oy. Oh, yeah.
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A
You're not going to stop a whole lot of teams when you're. You're giving up almost 10 yards fucking play, man.
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B
Man.
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A
So I don't know. You know what? It's. I. Again, and we. We discussed this and we said it very clear for the people that were. Were questioning the idea of having higher standards last week for the game. Did not expect them to win this game, but, you know, to come out and to. And to have 52 dropped on you on the road in a really. I get it. A tough place to play. It's loud. I mean, they didn't take pressure off Caleb by having a direct snap to Swift to start the game.
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B
You know, it wasn't loud late. It wasn't. It was loud early and they were fine.
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A
Yeah, it wasn't loud late because they were up by 30 points.
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B
Exactly. But it was. It was 21 when Detroit got it on their own 25 at the very end of the second quarter. And that's when things changed. That's when things changed.
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A
Yeah. That second touchdown to Rome though, that made it 21 14. I love that play. That's a great play. So he's wide out left, he comes in motion behind the line, stops just before Dolman and then breaks it back off to the zone that he cleared out. It's just, it's a really, really well designed, really well executed play. It looked really good. Made a really nice easy throw for, for, for Caleb.
- [37:37]
B
You know, he made it look easy, but the adjustment that he had to make with his arm angle.
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A
Yeah. Because he has the option to run there. And you're. No, you're right. He's going left. He's throwing obviously as a right handed player. So it was a really good throw. Not an easy throw to make. Yeah, right.
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B
We take it for granted because he makes a lot of those throws where he changes his arm angle.
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A
And then there was a, there was a really great first down early in the game to, to roam between two defenders that he had put a bullet in a really small window. So it's like, it's, it's why he's really frustrating to see those plays, but then to see that goddamn interception he threw. If you're throwing it out of bounds, throw it out of bounds. What do you, what are you doing?
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B
I have no idea what that.
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A
How do you make those two, three, those two throws, but then you're unable to throw a ball out of bounds. I have no idea where a guy who had nine picks last year was able to catch it.
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B
Kirby Joseph makes the interception. I, I did not understand what was happening on that play. If he was in between throwing it out of bounds and not. Or changing his mind in the middle of his throwing motion. He'll, he'll be asked about it, I'm sure in moments, if not immediately.
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A
You've covered a lot of teams. Can they script the entire game, as our listener says here?
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B
Well, that's what we trusted that Ben Johnson would do. And that's an ongoing disappointment. It's one thing. Last year when they couldn't score on the opening drive and now they keep scoring because they never did. And the scripting is working. Whether or not it works isn't the point. Do you learn more from it than your opponent does? Do you learn more from the scripting than your opponent does? And this is consecutive games where it appears that it hasn't mattered and the reason why you want Your brilliant offensive coach is. So he could say, okay, now I have a look at the defense based on the diagnostics that I've created. How do you make it matter? And we just didn't see it matter. They were daring. They were daring Caleb Williams to take the top off of this defense. And whether it is from a lack of time to throw or a lack of speed or both. It's sort of like we talked about with what the packers defense is able to do when they rush for and can just drop into an umbrella the way they did it was there for them. And the Bears got a gift when the crosser against the zone for a dunes a resulted in Jack Campbell biting on it and then both defensive backs miscommunicating and they got a gift touchdown out of that absolute gift.
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A
Yes.
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B
But fine that generally against that zone just you've got to get somebody deep. You've got to be able to run verts. You've got to be able to take the top off. And they were daring the Bears to do it. And I'm not sure if Johnson just didn't trust his pass protection. Concerned that Braxton Jones is going to get bull rushed again. Why would you ever use a move against Braxton Jones? Why? There's no point.
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A
You don't need to.
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B
You don't need to hand fight. You don't need a rip. You don't need a hump move.
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A
You can just push him right into the quarterback.
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B
Go. Go right, right into his neck every single time.
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A
Caleb, for you because he'll take him down to the ground too.
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B
He's. He is so susceptible to bull rushes. 52, 21 the final. And we're going to see the level of exasperation or the level of crisis is the wrong word because you're starting a new regime here. But this. They were not at rock bottom. Do the Bears really need to bottom out before growing? No, that wasn't the plan.
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A
They were supposed to win. Ben Johnson said it a few weeks ago that they can win.
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B
Now I'm immensely disappointed.
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A
This isn't rebuilding. Nobody moving out.
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B
No, this is.
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A
This is the number one overall pick and you have a top 10 wide receiver and you spent money on your offensive line and some of it at least.
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B
All of those resources. All of those resources. Guard, center, guard.
- [41:56]
A
I mean, you sweat big contract to DJ Moore. This isn't rebuilding. This is be competitive now for this division. And you are so far from winning a game in this division, Dan. Not even competing for the division. But you're. You're not going to win a game in this division. You're gonna go, oh and six, we're gonna, you're gonna, what did, what did. Take the north. Right.
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B
Take the north and never give it back.
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A
Right. I mean, well, when's that start? I mean, you're not going to win a game of your division and yet you're still the general manager and getting extensions and you're not going to win a game in your division.
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B
They'll probably win one just because they're.
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A
Not going to win a game in this division.
- [42:39]
B
They, they, I understand what you're saying.
- [42:41]
A
They had their chance. It was Monday night and they lost it.
- [42:44]
B
In an NFL season, there's one of those that just kind of falls to you because something weird happens.
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A
That was it. That was Monday night. One in five should have been their record.
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B
It was like the win over the packers at the end of last year.
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A
They gave that one away. That, that was their division win this year. Monday Night Football, first game of the season. They're going to go 06. Not even, not even a question in my mind. That's a bet I could make right now. I'd make it right now.
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B
And the shame of it once again is this secondary that was in a position to be on paper one of the best in the entire NFL is now just a shell of itself and being absolutely shredded. And if you can't rush the passer, you're asking that secondary to do more than it's capable of doing, which right now is basically just covering anybody.
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A
And it's not pronounced Tesla. What is it? His name is Isaac.
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B
Isn'T it?
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A
I think you're right. Yeah. But does he have in his contract he can only make one handed catches because he has two now. Two in the NFL, both one handed.
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B
Yep. He, he went to a Division 2 college and then transferred to Arkansas and was a third round pick. This isn't just some schmo. It's a third round pick. See their third round picks play well.
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A
I mean play for one catch today. He had one catch last year.
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B
But they contribute to winning.
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A
Yeah, well, Luther Burden iii, he had a nice return today. But he doesn't get on the field for offense, does he?
- [44:17]
B
No, he's not allowed to yet or something. I, I, I don't know and I don't, I don't know what Colson Loveland does. But the moment. I shouldn't feel bad about the Bears from the moment the inactives come out.
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A
Listeners so glad this team will have.
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B
A new stadium to lose in thank you, Robert.
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A
And 2032.
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B
Believe me, I appreciate all the feedback and appreciate everything. Thanks to everybody who over the weekend was emailing everything and emailing us mad about the Lions that we missed in our, in our top 10 all time Lions.
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A
Yeah, there's one I can't remember. Somebody emailed me and I was like, shit, how did I forget that one? I have to go back and look at what it was.
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B
Yeah, that's okay. Well, we'll have another chance.
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A
Yeah.
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B
This is really, it's really unfortunate and there's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure now. I'm just, I'm wondering how after yet another film breakdown of so many things going wrong and so many opportunities going by the wayside and just watching a defense get shredded. What the. How you put a floor in now? How do you. How at some point do you want. Already we're two games in to the Ben Johnson regime. And is it safe to say that things are getting worse already? Is that fair? Are things getting worse?
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A
Well, you know, it's interesting because you give this guy 13 million a year to run this team. The hottest prospect out in coaching in the off season. No one was upset. The Bears. The Bears got him, including myself. Although I wanted Jim Harbaugh. Two years ago, you expected to see a cleaner, better game, a better rebound game from, from Monday night, and you came out and totally shit to bed. So the answer your question. Yes, Things just got worse, Dan. Things just got worse.
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B
All right.
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A
Lost to a divisional opponent, 52 to 21 in a very embarrassing fashion where all of your strengths are either injured or playing poorly.
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B
Well, let's ask this then.
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A
All of your proposed strengths, I should.
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B
Say, what do the Bears do? Well, what can they count on? What can they go into a game knowing they can do?
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A
Well, I mean, they're all dressed and equipped properly.
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B
What can they go into a game knowing they can do? What. What is their game if you're, if you're coordinating against them? What do you say? We absolutely have to stop.
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A
Nothing.
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B
We have to take this away first.
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A
Nothing. And I'm not, I'm not trying to be an asshole. There's. There's nothing they do so well that any team on their schedule says, we need to make sure we stop X or stop this within their game plan. There is not one of those players or any part of their game that says, all right, we need to make sure we contain this aspect of their game. They do not have one. What do they do? Well, I don't know. As of Right now, they do not do anything well. They show opportunities of a quarterback who can really throw a good ball, but he throws more bad balls than good balls.
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B
It is certainly too early for a symbolic move of a symbolic benching or the people who wanted to cut Tyreek Stevenson. You can't afford to cut anybody in that secondary. And you got Nick McLeod and Nayshaan right on the field, but it doesn't matter.
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A
Even, even with him, you give up 52. What does it matter if he's there or not?
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B
Well, and also like if you're looking.
- [47:59]
A
For a sacrificial lamb, he's the guy. They should have cut him last year. They made that mistake well after the commander's game. He should have been gone, period.
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B
I don't want to feel like I'm burying the lead here, but until Caleb Williams tightens everything up, this isn't going anywhere. Until Caleb Williams does away with some of the inexplicable bad decisions and or bad throws, this isn't going anywhere.
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A
But listen, that's why Ben Johnson is here. He was going to work with Caleb Williams is. Did you think it would be anywhere near this bad after two games?
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B
No.
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A
Correct.
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B
So Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams was 19 of 30207 yards, two touchdowns and that one horrendous interception for a passer efficiency rating of 91.9. And there were the, those fourth down plays, just the number of times where they finished with nothing. On some of these drives and some of these opportunities. With Ben Johnson, you're supposed to at least flip the field if you're not scoring on every possession, everything's got to matter. And so far it's fits and it starts and it's, it's just too damn bumpy. So we're going to be spotlighting the decision to put Tyson Bagent in the game because I know that there's going to be more read into it. The answers that Johnson gives about why he did it are going to set the narrative, are going to set whatever the next story is for what Williams's immediate future is going to be. Because Williams, if there is a scintilla of belief that there is dissatisfaction enough at the position that there could be a thought in the very back of somebody's mind about making a change, you know that's going to catch fire. So if they just say, look, we wanted to get him out of there because the game was decided and we wanted to make sure he stayed healthy, anything less than that is going to open the door for the kind of speculation that's going to get out of the Bears control. And I hope they know that how they manage this move is going to be critical.
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A
Yeah, Dan, you're exactly right. And someone has to script that for him and say, and say this word for word. This is what we say. Because that's not. I've, I've seen the first couple weeks. That's not what he's really good at. And, and he'll. He'll go a bit too far and try to pull it back.
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B
And it's.
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A
We wanted to get him out of there to avoid injury, period.
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B
And they've got to know it. They've got to know it going into this post game. They got to make sure, because anything that isn't just overtly, explicitly clear in that regard, and they don't know that what kind of hell is coming to breakfast for them. They don't know what's going to be coming down if they give any indication that it was in part due to unsatisfactory play and they wanted. Because, first of all, the concept would be preposterous. And I can't believe I'm even really entertaining this right now because what, what it was, it was 45 to 21. Or was it already 51 to 20 when they took him out?
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A
I thought it was. I thought, I thought they had.
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B
Whatever it was, whatever it was, they're not, they're not playing defense. There's no way you could come to any judgment. So this can't be more than that. It can't be more than that. But the fact that it was done Midway through the 4th, there was approximately 1/8 of a divisional NFL game left and the quarterback was taken out it. Now, the Bears are so bad at messaging and they've been so bad at messaging. I. If they screw this up, it's on them. But if they leave any wiggle room, any daylight here about why that was.
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A
Done, the fans will run through that door.
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B
Good luck to him. Yeah, good luck to him. And it'll be of their own doing.
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A
All right. Bears lose 52, 2102 on the season, and then they host the Dallas Cowboys next Sunday at noon.
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B
And I'll tell you this, if I were reporting on this game, if I were running down there with a microphone, that's the first thing I'm asking Caleb Williams. I'm making sure, because he's going to stand up there and because back in the day, after a podium thing, you could try. You didn't. We didn't have that. You just go to locker and track these guys down and spend time and sit at the locker with him. But when he, they were showing and there were a lot of cutaways and because I have the TV on mute here, you know, I'm trying to see everything and I didn't hear what the broadcasters were saying when they kept cutting away to Caleb Williams standing by himself on the sideline. He didn't. And I hate doing this, so I'm not going to. But I'd like to know what was being said as he was kind of wandering around the sideline apparently by himself. I don't know what else was shown. I'm not at the game. I don't know what.
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A
Here's the problem with that though, Dan, because that, that doesn't speak to the narrative of we wanted to take him out. There was no reason to get him hurt. He's our starting quarterback, he's our franchise quarterback, he's our number one quarterback. Whatever it is that, that, that there leads the narrative of he's not with the team. Like, why wasn't he with a coach, you know, and even if the coach wasn't saying anything instructive to him or critical at that point, be together to look like, yeah, you're, you're. This is, this is still your team. But that being off by yourself says a lot.
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B
We have some post game quotes from Ben Johnson coming in here via Twitter. This is from Courtney Cronin. Does a terrific job on the beat quotes. Ben Johnson is saying, quote, anytime you lose a game like that, man, it's a kick in the teeth. Ain't that a kick in the teeth? What are you going to do about it then? What are you prepared to do?
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A
Well, Dan, they're going to get on the same page. They're going to work hard this week to make sure that they have everything in place to move forward. And, you know, we're going to turn the page on this game and look forward and get ready for the Cowboys. I mean, you know, it's not about effort, Dan. It's about, you know, the guys, they put effort out there. They put effort out there and, you know, and we all want to win. And sometimes, Dan, these things just happen. So we're going to turn the page on this one. We're going to get on the same page and we're going to come together as a group and figure out how to get ready for the Cowboys on Sunday. All right, well, don't finish that with how about them Cowboys?
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B
Don't, don't call. Go all fatalistic with me here. I better not hear any of that. I better not hear this thing. Well, you know, these are the kind of things that, you know, certain things just kind of happen.
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A
The analogy, I mean, when the, when, you know, when the train starts rolling on the track, sometimes you just can't stop it.
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B
Those things happen when it, when it rains, it pours, sometimes they catch fire.
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A
And you can't stop it.
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B
So wait, the train catches fire?
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A
Yes. That's a bad train. You get off that one.
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B
Brandon Aubrey has just banged through the game winning field goal for the Cowboys. So the Cowboys outlast the Giants in overtime.
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A
Cowboys.
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B
Yeah, I was expecting that. As time expires 40 to 37, the final with the Cowboys improving to one and one as they head in to Chicago to take on a Bears team that frankly is already reeling. They're already reeling.
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A
Two weeks. This is not what I anticipated. Two weeks into Ben Johnson's time as the Bears head coach. The problem is greater than Ben Johnson though, as a whole. Yeah. So Bears lose 52 to 21. And Dan Campbell said they're going to win the game. He said we have to win. This is a game we cannot lose.
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B
All right, well, you have a game to coach right now. And we have tomorrow's Dan Bernstein unfiltered and forward progress to begin to prepare for. Remember, if you are enjoying this post game, we are on every Bears game day immediately after the game here on YouTube on forward progress on 312 sports. So tomorrow, join us. We are going to be there and we are going to be covering absolutely everything. Bears on forward progress and obviously the big picture stuff. Also on Dan Bernstein unfiltered, which both of which will be dropping midday tomorrow. Matty, you and the Wildcats of Libertyville, who are you playing today?
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A
We are playing Stevenson.
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B
Are they good?
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A
They're off to a good start this year. Yes.
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B
I wish you were playing Tyreek Stevenson.
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A
So do I. I go deep every time.
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B
Yeah, well, let's, let's have the theme of Stevenson getting picked on to be the theme of the day when it comes to your team.
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A
All right. I'll let you know what happens, buddy.
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B
All right, man. So join us tomorrow for a lot more.
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A
Thanks for joining Ford Progress live here after Bears lose to the Lions 52 to 21.