Caleb Williams and the Bears were frustrated after LOSS in Green Bay despite the second half showing

Summary

Forward Progress – A Chicago Bears Podcast

Episode: Caleb Williams and the Bears were frustrated after LOSS in Green Bay despite the second half showing
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Matt Abbatacola (312 Sports)
Date: December 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Forward Progress" dives deep into the Chicago Bears’ tough 28–21 loss to the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field — a game marked by a disappointing first half, an inspired second-half rally, and the emotional aftermath for rookie quarterback Caleb Williams and the team. Bernstein and Abbatacola deliver their trademark blend of analysis and raw fandom, examining where the Bears stand in the NFC playoff picture, the performance of key players, and what the game told them about the franchise’s trajectory.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emotional Landscape After the Loss (00:52–02:42)

• Dan Bernstein reflects on the conflicting mix of "buzzing" excitement over the quality of the game and frustration with the loss. He highlights the intensity of the rivalry, “You got two young, dynamic coaches, you got a couple of young, dynamic quarterbacks... every time they meet now there’s going to be some crackle to it.”
• Matt Abbatacola shares his own rollercoaster: “Despite the loss, 28–21, that second half of that game was really, really fun to watch” (01:54).

Tone: Frustration, but also optimism about the team’s direction.

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2. The Second-Half Turnaround and What It Means (07:24–08:49)

• Matt feels “the most amount of confidence in this season” despite the loss.
• He credits the coaching staff and team resiliency: “Every week that goes by, I just get more confident. This... cemented the fact that this is a good football team that can win a playoff game.” (08:29)
• Both agree the Bears belong in the playoff discussion, with real progress shown even against tough opponents.

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3. The Quarterback Comparison: Caleb Williams vs. Jordan Love (09:07–10:12)

• Bernstein: “If they meet 100 times, the Bears win 45 of them.”
• Abbatacola points out Jordan Love’s greater polish, accuracy, and responsiveness: “That’s the main difference right now.”
• Williams’ special skill set is acknowledged: “If he can continue to close the gap between his potential and the deficiencies…he is going to be the top quarterback in this league.” (09:33, Matt)

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4. Kyler Gordon’s Injury Woes (06:58–11:30)

• Ongoing issues: multiple soft-tissue injuries have made Gordon “unreliable.”
• Recap of various hamstring, groin, and calf injuries and frustration over him getting hurt in warmups.
• “For someone this important to be this unreliable... it sucks.” (11:38, Dan)

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5. Ben Johnson & Caleb Williams Pressers – Breaking Down the Game

Ben Johnson on Adjustments, Second-Half Surge, and Play-calling

(12:12–14:49, 14:55–15:39, 16:51–17:18, 19:20–20:12, 23:11–23:47):

• Praises Bears’ second-half “reset” and Caleb’s “Superman cape” moments:

  “Caleb was doing everything he could. He put his superman cape on a few times to, to not go down, extend the play...” (12:15)

• Candid about halftime coaching: “Sometimes just coming in and catching your breath for a second allows you to hit that reset button. Our guys responded the right way.”
• On losing Kyler Gordon pregame:

  “We adjust on the fly. That’s no problem...but you know, Kyler’s a really good player and we’re better when he’s out on the field.” (14:57)

• On Rome Odunze’s injury ripple effect:

  “Rome is such a vital part of what we do...for Caleb, it’s his blankie. When a guy like that’s out, other guys gotta step up.” (19:20)

• On 'big guy touchdowns':

  “Was trying to go for big guy touchdown. I was about to say fat guy touchdown, but he...didn’t even get out on his route. Caleb did a nice job popping back to Colston and was able to find him.” (23:24)
  Hosts riff humorously about changing lingo, 'fat guy touchdowns,' and missed opportunities.

Caleb Williams on Locker Room Mood and Critical Plays

(26:21–28:17):

• On the post-game locker room:

  “Yeah, it’s frustration. Just because, you know, we shot ourselves in the foot, I think, more than anything.” (26:21)

• On the second half:

  “We needed a spark...one of the passes, or we came out, ran the ball well and things like that, created good momentum for us.” (27:05)

• On the game-ending interception:

  “Gotta have it moment…didn’t feel that I could go get it myself. So just got to give Cole a better, you know, a better shot at it.” (27:43)

• Bernstein and Abbatacola discuss how Williams’ “big boy ball” mentality on that pass doesn’t always fit Ben Johnson’s play-design philosophy.

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6. Secondary Struggles and Communication Breakdown (16:51–18:51)

• Discussion of breakdowns in the secondary: “We were man to man on one of them and their guy beat our guy…another one, they had a good play design based on our coverage...” (Ben Johnson, 16:51; paraphrased)
• Dissection of who was at fault on a long touchdown versus coverage responsibilities (Jalen Johnson vs Kevin Byard), with reference to Tom Brady’s analysis.

  “I watched that play a few times…there was a receiver that ended up on the far third of the field that Jalen Johnson covered. I thought he was in the right spot.” (17:44–18:25, Matt)

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7. Wide Receiver Depths, Route Running, and Play-calling Frustrations (21:26–22:50)

• Hosts puzzled that “wide receivers still not getting to the right depths and running the right routes” after 13 weeks.
• “I’d have to watch the All-22 with Ben Johnson and have him say ‘This is the guy, DJ or Rome, his split was off, his depth is off…’” (22:41, Dan)
• Express skepticism about the significance of the issue, hinting that the comments may serve to take pressure off Williams.

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Post-loss Confidence & Rivalry Dynamic:

• “This, for me, yesterday just cemented the fact that this is a good football team that can win a playoff game.” (08:35, Matt)

On Williams’ Growth:

• “Caleb Williams has a special set of skills within him as an NFL quarterback that no other quarterback has in the league right now... he has the potential to be the top quarterback in this league.” (09:33, Matt)

On Coverage Confusion:

• “I’m not going to argue with Tom Brady’s football knowledge, but I watched that play a few times...there was a receiver that ended up on the far third of the field that Jalen Johnson covered.” (17:44, Matt)

On ‘Big Guy Touchdowns’ Commentary:

• “I wanted to say fat guy touchdown. I didn’t say it. I wanted to.” (24:43, Ben Johnson audio; riffed on by hosts through 25:07)

On Locker Room Frustration:

• “Yeah, it’s frustration. Just because, you know, we shot ourselves in the foot, I think, more than anything.” (26:21, Caleb Williams)

On Missing Rome Odunze:

• “He is a big part of what we’re doing…for Caleb, it’s his blankie.” (19:20, Ben Johnson)

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9. NFC Playoff Picture & Final Thoughts (39:03–41:09)

• Run down on the volatile NFC race — Bears’ movement from the one seed down to seven and the unpredictable "fragile, frantic finish."
• Discussion of upcoming critical games and how one result swings the standings, reinforcing how “the Bears have to have this win [over the Browns].”
• Brief league-wide notes, including the apparent end of the Chiefs’ dynasty and injury news.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• “If they meet up 100 times, the Bears win 45 of them.”
  – Dan Bernstein on Bears-Packers rivalry status (08:49)
• “Jordan Love is a more polished NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams right now.”
  – Matt Abbatacola (09:09)
• “Caleb Williams has a special set of skills...if he can become a better passing quarterback, he is going to be one of the best.”
  – Matt Abbatacola (09:33)
• “We shot ourselves in the foot...I think that’s where the frustration comes from.”
  – Caleb Williams (26:21)
• "He put his Superman cape on a few times..."
  – Ben Johnson on Caleb Williams' play-extending efforts (12:16)
• “For Caleb, [Rome Odunze] is his blankie…they have a great natural rapport.”
  – Ben Johnson (19:20)
• “I wanted to say fat guy touchdown. I didn't though.”
  – Ben Johnson (23:24; paraphrased and riffed on by the hosts)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:52 – Opening reactions: rivalry vibes, emotions after loss
• 07:24 – Confidence in Bears’ coaching staff and team progress
• 09:07 – Williams vs. Love & QB evaluation
• 12:12, 14:55, 16:51 – Ben Johnson on offense, defense adjustments, and injuries
• 19:20 – Odunze injury analysis
• 23:11–25:07 – “Big Guy Touchdown” story and play analysis
• 26:21, 27:05, 27:35 – Caleb Williams’ postgame comments
• 39:03–40:32 – NFC playoff picture breakdown
• 41:03–43:53 – Around the league news: Chiefs, injuries, point differentials

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Memorable Lighter Moments

• Extended bit (34:14–38:50): The hosts roast the old-school style of a Packers radio reporter (Larry McCarren), weaving in Simpsons-like jokes about old men telling rambling stories, before backpedaling upon realizing McCarren is a local legend.
• Recurring inside joke: Bernstein and Abbatacola riff several times on modern marketing language (“Don’t say ‘download’ the app!”) as they promote the 312 Sports app.

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Final Takeaways

• Despite the bitter loss, there's a strong sense of forward momentum and positivity about the Bears' future, especially given the coaching staff, young talent, and competitive second-half showing.
• The “fragile” NFC means every week is critical; the Bears are viewed as a legitimate playoff-caliber team, but with urgent issues to clean up.
• The hosts provide catharsis, humor, and sharp analysis — exactly as Chicago fans crave after a heartbreaker in Green Bay.

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For Bears fans and NFL aficionados, this episode delivers an authentic, cathartic, and nuanced breakdown of a crucial rivalry game and its broader implications for the franchise and the NFC landscape.

Transcript

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I'm waiting to hear More also about what's wrong with Kyler Gordon. I'm getting really tired of this. He's had, what, four different body parts? At least three different body parts this year have.

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Well, this was a groin on yesterday.

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Yeah, I'm going to check that out because at some point, you got to sit down as a team and say, what is wrong? What's happening to Kyler Gordon and why.

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Yeah. So I wonder, you, the Bears fan out there, as you're listening, how you feel obviously disappointed and unhappy with the outcome and the result of 28 to 21 loss in Lambeau, but it's the most confident that I felt about this team this year. And it's. It's really. It's such a juxtaposition of feelings. To be angry and upset and bothered by a loss, especially to Green Bay at Lambeau and all their dumb fans, but to still feel very confident about this team, to have actually the most. The most amount of confidence in this season. I knew the packers are a good football team. We've known that all along. We know that they're a top defense. And for the Bears to go out there and have that second half just made me feel really good about the team, very confident about the. So, you know, let me. Let me say that as I'm going through it, my confidence level with the coaching staff has just been going up and up and up and up. Every game, every week that goes by, I just get more confident. And it's the team itself, where there were question marks and there's issues with the quarterback, and it's like, is it really real because of the opponents they've played, the quarterbacks they faced? This, for me, yesterday just cemented the fact that this is a good football team that can win a playoff game. I don't know if they will. I don't know if they'll make the playoffs. They still have some work to do. It's a very fragile NFC picture right now, but they're in a very good spot. And I think if they get in, they can win a playoff game. This is that good of a football team for this 2025 season.

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I mentioned this on DBU earlier. I think if this Bears, packers team as currently constructed that. That group, if they meet up with the packers, as currently constructed 100 times, the Bears win 45 of them.

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Yeah, I think. I think like a 6040 split is pretty realistic. And I think the main difference right now is that Jordan Love is a more polished NFL quarterback than Caleb Williams.

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More accurate.

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Yeah, it's Just it's really that he's.

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More responsive to what he sees and more accurate. He obviously isn't as talented, but I think he's more responsive to what he sees and he puts the ball where it's supposed to be.

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Yep. Caleb Williams has a special set of skills within him as an NFL quarterback that no other quarterback has in the league right now. It's just, that's just that's fact. If he can continue to close the gap between his potential and the deficiencies that he has, he is going to be a top quarterback. The top quarterback has the potential to be the top quarterback. He's in this league. You take his special set of skills, his athleticism and if he can become a better passing quarterback, he is going to be one of the best. And that that really sits really well for the Bears and their future with Ben Johnson as the head coach.

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I know there's some audio that you want to play. I just want to close. I did find the Kyler Gordon.

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What have his injuries been outside of groin from yesterday?

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This is from the Tribune. This is Brad Biggs and he says Aug. 7 left practice with a hamstring injury. Wasn't considered overly serious. Practicing by late August and the first week of September.

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Yep, hamstring.

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So hamstring was the first thing September 7th. Late addition to the injury report with hamstring. Missed the season opener.

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Okay.

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Hamstring limited in practice Sept. 26 for the ramp up Week 4 game than the bye bye. Played 39 snaps at Washington, 42 snaps at New Orleans. Then was on the injury report with groin slash calf went uninjured. Reserve returned to window practice. The window was open November 19th. 53 man roster on the 27th. Played at Philly on the 28th, then hurt in warmups.

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So it's three.

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It's groin, calf, hamstring, groin, calf, hamstring. But we don't know if it's the same hamstring or the same groin.

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Right.

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Same calf. You know, who knows what these have been. And there's the playing and coming back and playing coming back and twice now getting hurt in warmups.

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So if it's, if it's the same side, if it's, let's say it's been consistent on the same side of his body.

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They'll talk about imbalance. Yeah.

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Right, let's take a look at some or some. Let's take a listen to some audio here that we have from Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams after the game yesterday in Lambeau. We'll start with Ben Johnson first.

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How do you attribute the difference in the offense between the first half and.

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The second half and how you guys.

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Did come to life?

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It's a really good defense, I think at home this year. They're averaging 13 1/2 points per game and 240 yards per game. So we knew it was going to be a big challenge. You know, you go on silent cadence against a really good pass rush group like that. They get off the ball and they pressure your quarterback. And we certainly felt that there in the first half and in the second half too. I thought Caleb was, was doing everything he could. He put his superman cape on a few times to, to not go down extend the play. And he found a couple big scrambles for us over the course of that game, which, you know, earlier in the season you would have said that we really had a hard time finding. But you know, I think it was Duvernay down there on their sideline. That was a huge play. And the Cole Comet catch down on our sideline was a huge play as well. So, you know, I think we got a prideful group. You know, we weren't happy, we weren't playing pleased with our, with our first half performance on offense. And sometimes just coming in and catching your breath for a second allows you to hit that reset button. And our guys responded the right way.

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Well, there's some coaching in there too. When it's not. It's more than hitting the reset button. It's changing, catching your breath, changing what you do. Yeah. So I think he is, is being a little humble there. That was really good coaching at halftime.

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Yeah, it certainly was a tale of two halves. They looked like two different teams. And that's what makes even more frustrating as a Bears fan, you just put a couple things together in the first half, man.

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Well, you don't allow that second touchdown.

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Yeah, I know, I know, dude. I know.

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Fixating on that. I know it would have been fine if not for letting that guy behind you. Like I thought of all people like.

[A]

The, the packers get the ball back and it's late in the second quarter, it's like, all right, you go to halftime down 10 to 3, that's fine. I get like, all right, you're 10 to 3, that's fine. You can come back out first. You know, your first drive, you get a stop, you get the ball, you tie the game up. It's 10. 10. But to have that. Yeah, to go in at 14 to 3.

[B]

It didn't even have to be 10 to 3. It could have been 7 to 3. No, I know there's a 45 yard score.

[A]

I just assumed that they would get in the field goal range. I really did.

[B]

Even so, I mean, you can't rely on turnovers anymore. Turnovers are great. Do not rely on them. Play defense.

[A]

That turnover you had yesterday was a gift. I do not know what he saw. And they couldn't do anything with it. Yeah, and they didn't do anything.

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You couldn't do anything with it. So just play better defense. Turnovers, you can't be relied upon to keep bailing you out. And you keep thinking, well, maybe they'll force a fumble, maybe they'll pick one off in the end zone. But big boy teams don't do that well here. They don't rely on it.

[A]

We'll go to two more cut. Let's go to this one first here about. He's asked about. About Gordon losing Kyler before the game.

[B]

What kind of setback was that for your defense and your plans there?

[D]

We adjust on the fly. That's no problem. That's what we always do. It's not a problem. We had a plan. Dae does a great job with that. Next guys were popping up and you know, they answer the call and we don't miss a beat that way. But you know, Kyler's a really good player and we're better than he's out on the field. So, you know, you do miss that. And when it happens in pre game like that, it also takes you down a man going into the game too. So if you, if you know that going into the game, at least you can have someone else up on the, on the active roster for you there to fill in and be another body, whether it's on offense or defense. So, you know, it's one of those things. It's a shame that it happens like, like it did and you know, we'll see the extent of it.

[B]

You did miss a beat. You missed a beat because he's a better player, right? He has much more makeup speed. When you saw Watson win on the release on that hot Read on that crosser on the touchdown that Gordon's got the makeup speed at least to stay with him and maybe bring him down. Johnson doesn't. Johnson at the line. I don't mind him in coverage, but he's got to hit that guy. Johnson has to be a disruptive force on the release.

[A]

Well, listen, I mean, to be fair to Christian, Watson is one of the best receivers in the game, and he's.

[B]

Got great speed and he's really fast.

[A]

I'm just. I'm more comfortable with. With Gardner Johnson against a tight end.

Not the main receiver. So that's an issue.

[B]

Yeah, it is. But even so, if you are in a mismatch there, you got to go hit him in the neck. You got to do something other than give him a free release, because the moment he got a step on him, it was over.

[A]

Yeah. And it's not really an accomplishment to say, oh, yeah, the next guy stepped up. That's what every NFL team does. If any guy gets hurt in pregame warmups, there's always going to be a body starter, right? Yeah, there's always going to be a body to fill that up. All right. And then on what you're talking about here, these explosive plays against the secondary.

[D]

And when you talk about the big plays that you guys gave up defensively, what kind of issues were you having in the secondary? One of those things. Again, I got to go back and I got to look at the tape, but it did seem like we were man to man on one of them and their guy beat our guy. I know. On another one, they seemed like they had a good play design based on our coverage, you know, and that happens at. So I got to go back and I got to look at some of those and what we could have done a little bit better.

[B]

Well, the way Tom Brady described sounds like Jalen Johnson was at fault for not having the safety responsibility on a reverse 2 deep or an inverted 2 deep. It's where basically you look like you're in single high and then you walk the safety up and instead of bringing the safety back, you bring a cornerback. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I'm not going to argue with Tom Brady's football knowledge, but I watched that play a few times. Illegal and. But there was a. There was a receiver that ended up on the far third of the field that Jalen Johnson covered. So I don't understand then is how's he supposed to cover two guys?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I. I thought he was in the right spot. I thought Tom Brady kept making A mistake.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

In the coverage. And I'm not. I'm. And I'm sure Tom is right and I'm wrong. I'm not assuming that, but I thought Jalen was in the right position because there was a guy that was in the hour third, and I thought it was Kevin Byard. Who. Kevin Bayard was going right to left, and so he was actually over the top of the guy that Jalen Johnson was in front of.

[B]

That's why. I wonder if.

[A]

And that's why it left that middle spot open, because Byard went left and maybe. Maybe he private right and. But I just don't know if Johnson's supposed to cross over then towards the middle or.

[B]

There was a miscommunication. It was supposed to be an inverted. Too deep, and it was being played as regular.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It seemed like you had one safety, had the proper responsibility, and then they couldn't decide whether it was Johnson or Byard who had the other. I. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I watched it a few times, and Buyer does go right to left, and he's over the top of the guy that Johnson's in front of. And. And then you have. Is it. Is it who. Who was. Oh, is it. Was it Brisker that was. Was chasing from behind to kind of. Yeah. So I. I don't know.

[B]

He almost got there, too.

[A]

He almost got there. I know it was close. It was close, but I thought it was. It was Byer staying there with Johnson on the outer third. I don't know.

[B]

Unfortunately, you got to wait until Thursday to ask the defensive corner.

[A]

I'm sure. I'm sure Brady was right, but. And here's a final question about Rome.

[D]

And what's the ripple effect of not.

[B]

Having Rome short term here and how those reps get distributed?

[D]

Kind of knew that going into the week that he may not be available. And so something that we're conscious of, the fortunate thing for us is we have weapons all over the place. Our tight end room is very strong. Our running back room is strong. We have a lot of depth in that receiver room. You know, I know Luther certainly had a little bit more on his plate here this week, and I thought he handled it pretty well, from my perspective, without seeing the tape yet. And so I don't think that necessarily we missed a beat, but yet Rome is such a vital part of what we do. And, you know, in a lot of ways, for Caleb, you know, it's his. His blankie, you know, and his blankie. Such a great natural rapport. That great. When a guy like that's out, then you know, other guys got to step up. But yet he is a big part of what we're doing.

[B]

I can translate that. I don't think we missed a beat. We missed a beat. Yeah.

[A]

Other guys, no. But here's the other guys stepped up. Duvernay had a big catch. Zaki has had a big catch. Luther Burden, he caught all of his targets and I think all four for first downs.

[B]

Yeah. But the.

[A]

They stepped up. But a lot of the stuff that.

[B]

A Dunes A does.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's huge to not have him.

[B]

The gravity, the attention paid to him when he runs a route is different than the attention paid to Devin Duvernay when he runs around.

[A]

And I'm. This is going to sound odd, but I'm. I'm really glad that we found out it was an injury that's been slowing him down the last couple of weeks because I was getting concerned about his lack of production and having a stress fracture in your foot all makes sense.

[B]

Okay, I get it. Does it mean that when the season ends he's going to go have a pin put in there?

[A]

I have no idea what, how significant this is.

[B]

If it's just is this game to game management of something that is clearly hampering him.

[A]

I mean obviously having played on it the last couple of weeks, it's not anything where he was going to do more significant damage to himself. So I would imagine it's probably just pain management and the ability to run the proper routes.

[B]

Football.

[A]

You know, I wanted to ask you about something too before we get. I do have one more Ben Johnson cut.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Last week when he talked about in this whole controversy of the passing game came up and then he stepped it back the next day and you know, Caleb's great and he's doing great. He talked about the wide receivers still not getting to the right depths and doing running the right route. Like, what the fuck? It's 13 weeks in. Like, how are wide receivers still not running to the right depths? Like, what. What's going on?

Like, I would like to say or I'd like to ask, well, can you show us which plays Was Caleb impacted by the receivers not running the right depth that not running the right routes?

[B]

It may be. Or was it just trying to. Or was it just globalize or was.

[A]

It taking less off of Caleb?

[B]

I think it was. I think it was him saying it's not always just him. And there's some truth to that and I mentioned it yesterday when it comes to the Throwaways. When it comes to plays on which he's trying to just eliminate the negatives, not throw an interception, not take a sack.

[A]

Not every incomplete pass is bad. I get that.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It's the ones where he has a good pocket with an open receiver that he misses. That's frustrating. Yeah.

[B]

I would have to see. I'd have to watch the All 22 with Ben Johnson, have him say, look here.

[A]

You see, this is the guy that.

[B]

DJ or Rome, it's. His split was off and his depth is off and now there's an extra second and like, we'd have to. We'd have to know what they see.

[A]

That's what I'd like to see, though, because I have a hard time believing a guy like Rome or even Burden or DJ Even with the lack of effort at times, isn't running the right depth, not running the right routes enough.

[B]

To make that big a difference.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Anywho. All right, so one last thing for Ben Johnson about the Theo Benedict play.

[D]

The play that ended up with Colson scoring the touchdown in the fourth quarter, he. You just walk us through kind of your vision of how that unfolded. Sequence, man. See, I can't even remember. Like, Theo might have been your first option in the left flat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.

[A]

There you go.

[D]

Yeah. So we were in goal line and yeah, you're right. Theo was going to be number one there. Was trying to go for big guy touchdown. I was about to say fat guy touchdown, but he. I think he got chopped down and so he didn't even get out on his route. And so Caleb did a nice job popping back to Colston and was able to find him. So it was good.

[B]

Well, good for him not wanting to body shame. Yeah, that's. So despite saying it, though, I know he did say. I wanted to say fat guy touched.

[A]

Out, but I didn't though.

[B]

But you woke. Liberal media won't let me say fat guy anymore, you bastards.

[A]

So.

But you remember after that play because it's clearly a missed flag because if you're an eligible wide receiver, you can't just knock a guy down.

And Ben was clearly upset and screaming on the sideline about it, despite the fact they scored a touchdown, which I love seeing, and he was the main guy. He was the number one on that route. Was for Theo Bennett to catch a pass and get and score a touchdown. Did. Did I hear this correctly? That wiener circle put that out there? That like a fat guy touchdown got more hot dogs.

[B]

I don't know But I don't think you're allowed to say that anymore.

[A]

Big guy touchdowns. I meant. I wanted to say fat guy. I didn't say it. I wanted to.

[B]

There was a time when we used to talk about fat guy touchdowns. You can't do that anymore. You also can't beat your players when they. When they screw up.

[A]

I think it's funny, too, that.

[B]

That Ben's like, deny them water anymore.

[A]

I think it's funny that Ben was like, yeah, which play was it? And then he had to go, oh, it's one in. Theo got.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, he went.

[A]

He was losing his mind on the sideline after that play.

[B]

He should have been.

[A]

Yeah, of course he should have been. Absolutely missed flag.

[B]

I wanted to say fat guy touchdown. Can't do it anymore.

[A]

Here's the play.

[B]

Third and goal. Theo Bennett at alignment in motion.

[C]

He gets cut.

[B]

Williams floats it the other way. It's called for a touchdown. Posted Loveland.

[A]

All right, are you ready? Now, this is. This is. This is what you get by having Tom Brady in the booth.

[B]

Hang on.

Sloblin.

[A]

He's over here.

[B]

He slips inside of the tackle. Of course, nobody's gonna cover him. They don't even see him.

[A]

Thanks, Tom.

[B]

Thank you. He's invisible. I can't even see him. Where did he go? I can't see anything. Oh, I got my eyes closed.

I just. Could you isolate the great Houdini for us?

[A]

If I can find it. Yeah, I don't think. I don't know if that's in the NFL highlight packages, but it was so great.

[B]

They show one of these overproduced graphics. He calls him. Look at the ability of him to escape. He's like Houdini. I mean, Houdini.

[A]

I like Houdini better. All right, here's Caleb Williams. He was asked about what the feeling was in the locker room after the game.

[E]

Yeah, it's frustration. Just because, you know, we shot ourselves in the foot, I think, more than anything. And so, you know, I think that's where the frustration comes from. We gotta. We had a great shot early in the game with the interception. You know, defense doing a good job. And then we kind of let them get going and, you know, they put up some points on the board and, you know, we had to try and rally it, you know, and it's not always going to work in our favor. You know, we work our tail off to try and, you know, not have these, you know, situations. But when the situations do, you know, come, we gotta, you know, try and go make Plays and try and, you know, come back and make the right plays to, you know, still the one.

[A]

All right. He was asked about his second half performance. Not his, but the team's second half performance.

[E]

I think that, you know, I think kind of what I just said, it's just we need to spark, and, you know, we end up having a spark with, you know, one of the passes or we came out, run the ball well and things like that. So, you know, I think it created a good momentum for us. And like I said, we were executing the, you know, the small details.

[A]

Okay, let's execute those small details in the first half. That'd be great for the next game.

[B]

All right.

[A]

And then he's asked about the interception to end the game. I want you to listen closely to what he says and pick up on something that Ben Johnson has talked about before.

[E]

We had about two or three guys in front of, you know, either either stacking swift or stacking swift or.

Right there with Swift. And so, you know, rolled out and saw Cole and tried to give him a, you know, a big boy ball, try and let him go up for it, because I ended up seeing 25 starting to sprint, and so tried to. Tried to slow him up and, you know, kind of give him a chance. In those moments, it's, you know, gotta have it moment. And they had a guy trailing me, and so didn't feel that I could go get it myself. And so just gotta give Cole a better, you know, a better shot at it. I think, you know, next time just extend him a little bit more and kind of. Kind of lead him, you know. But in those moments, you want to put the ball in play and trust your guy or, you know, try to have your guy go make a play and just got to give him a better ball.

[B]

Didn't feel that I could get it myself like I thought he might have had.

[A]

I thought he had it, too.

[B]

That's an interesting observation. That I thought, had he committed to it, he probably had it. But then to hear him say, I didn't feel like I could have run for it.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, he was going to take a shot, but I thought he.

[B]

Could have had it. I did, too.

[A]

So what did you. What did you hear on the. On the. On the pass? What. What kind of ball did he. That he throw to?

[B]

Big boy ball.

[A]

A big boy ball. Go up there and give him a chance to go get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what has Ben Johnson talked about? He doesn't like those go up and get him balls. That's not his Thing. His thing is not give, give or give your guy a chance. No, his thing is use the offense to get the ball to the receiver in the spot he's supposed to be.

[B]

He also puts that on himself, if I remember correctly. That. And when that. When Johnson talked about that play, the way he phrases it is something is designed to pop where if the plays run correctly, it may not be Kemet. That there. I don't know whether or not that met the definition of pop, because he did have him. He had him. Had he thrown it and he recognized it a little earlier and lofted it a little earlier. I think he had him clean. But he said that. That. What exactly did Johnson say? It had to do with waiting for something to pop or seeing what would pop when they get Williams out on the edge, there's multiple possibilities there.

[A]

Yeah. And it was. It was. It was similar to the Eagles game.

[B]

And you know what? I think, actually, the quote that I read may have been about that Loveland touchdown when he said he was talking about something popping.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that's how it's designed. It isn't designed to say, hey, you're taller than he is. Go jump for it. But that's good catch on your part.

[A]

Yeah. I also thought it was interesting, too, in what Caleb said there, that he saw it sooner. And this goes back to all the times we've talked about his timing and his recognition and, you know, pull the trigger because he saw it enough and he saw it developing enough that he saw mix in sprinting over, throw it.

Instead of recognizing what's happening there, recognize your guy was open, throw him the ball instead of lofting it. Because mix it was coming over and giving him a chance to go get it.

[B]

That's. That's where the development's gonna come. That's all this development about when. When a little tiny, tiny, tiny bit late becomes just early enough or just on time enough. There's so much distance in there and so much difference in there.

[A]

All right, and then here's one from the packers website, and it's. It's a reporter, a Packer website reporter, maybe. I just want you to listen to him. And then here's Matt LaFleur. This is. He's questioning Matt LaFleur after the game, being asked a question, and just listen to the reporter.

[F]

Matt, congratulations. That game was worthy of being part of the longest rivalry in the history of the NFL. How do you feel?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it was a great football game. You know, a lot of back and forth there. And ultimately we found A way to get it done. And certainly I think our crowd played a huge role in that. They were outstanding. And, you know, luckily we made a play when we needed to at the end of the game. All right, before we get to the reporter, real quick, hang on. Something that Matt LaFleur said. It triggered a memory to me of this past Cubs postseason. How the Cub fans turned out when the Milwaukee series came back to Wrigley. Like, I want. And I know Bears fans are crazy and they're always loud. I want something extra when the packers come to Soldier Field in two weeks.

[B]

How extra?

[A]

I want, like, not. Not Pavia family extra.

[B]

Okay? I mean, like, and not like people dressed as the Blues Brothers, not characters.

[A]

I mean, the energy they bring. And I know Bears fans always bring a lot of energy, but I want. I want it. I want it. Difficult for the packers to play football in two weeks. We saw it at Wrigley Field, how loud it got and how they got after the players. That's just what I thought. I thought of that right away. I'm like, let's. Let's get them. Like, it's the last regular season meeting for these two. They're coming to Soldier Field for game two territory.

[B]

Yeah, like, yeah, that's meatball.

[A]

I get it. But still. All right, so that reporter. This is. This is what I heard. Listen to it again.

[F]

Matt, congratulations. That game was worth of being part of the longest rivalry in the history of the NFL. How do you feel?

[C]

I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri.

[A]

That's like. That's what I heard. Am I, like, am I way off or no.

[C]

Now my story begins in 19. Dickety two. We had to say dickety cause the Kaiser had stolen our weird 20. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety six miles.

[A]

Is it Abe Simpson? Is that who works for the Packers?

[B]

What website is it?

[A]

It's green baypackers.com.

[B]

Oh, I thought it was like old packerfan.com or something.

[C]

You remind me of a poem I can't remember in a song that may never have existed in a place I'm not sure I've ever been to.

I feel all funny. I'm in love. No, wait, it's a stroke.

[B]

You know, Zerbiak reminds me of.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Who?

[C]

I forgot.

[A]

That's one of the bad one.

[C]

Trick is to tell them stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I Decided to go to Morganville, which is what they call Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.

[B]

I just want to know what. What?

[F]

Greenbaybackers.com Matt, congratulations. That game was worthy of being part of the longest rivalry in the history of the NFL. How do you feel?

[C]

I'll be deep in a cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri.

[B]

Matty, here's what's going to happen.

[A]

What?

[B]

Oh, no. Because you don't know who that is. You know what's going to happen. That's going to be a leg. What? I guarantee you. I guarantee you you just did something bad. I'm not taking any blame on this one. That what we're going to find out that this is some hall of fame, like made guy, some Green Bay legend who is now working for the team.

Because usually think about who these guys are. Sam Smith, Bob Verde, the people who do it locally, like Don Pearson. They're usually an emeritus.

Brilliant, important writer, somebody who's considered significant influences on modern reporters. I guarantee you you've done something bad here.

[A]

Well, then why are you laughing?

[B]

Because I'm not saying it's not funny.

[A]

It's just bad. Oh, boy.

It doesn't say anywhere who is.

[B]

I'm telling you. Oh.

I know. Lee Remmel's dead. It's. It's not Lee Remmel.

[F]

Matt, congratulations. That game was worth.

[B]

You gotta research these things, dude.

[F]

The longest rivalry in the history of the NFL. How do you feel?

[C]

I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri.

[B]

Who is it? Who are you? You are defaming here?

[A]

Larry McCarron.

[B]

Oh, it's Larry McCarron. Yeah, that's their. Their radio guy. That's the guy who sits next to Wayne now.

[C]

My story begins in 19 Dickity 2. We had to say dickety cause the Kaiser had stolen our wedding.

[B]

You can't do it to Larry McCarron.

[A]

Oh, please. Oh, since when does your. Your comic genius know some boundaries?

[B]

Whatever. I know speaking English, right?

[A]

Exactly. Oh, all of a sudden you're not part of this? Nope.

[B]

I've had nothing to do with this.

[A]

Wow, look at you.

[B]

This is mad about tuck your tail.

[A]

And turn and run.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I knew it was happening.

[B]

Wow. The moment I look at you, that's all it took. I don't know anything about you.

[A]

Turn your back on me.

[B]

Never besmirched the greatness of Larry McCarron.

[A]

You know me.

[B]

Look, I constantly am walking around telling you how great Larry McCarron is. There's never a day that goes by.

[A]

Look at this. I shouldn't even be surprised.

[B]

There's never a day that goes by that. I'm not telling you that Larry McCarron isn't receiving his proper respect. Expecting these always.

[C]

You know, you remind me of a poem I can't remember, and it's song that may never have existed in a place I'm not sure I've ever been to.

[B]

We mock what we will become.

[A]

Oh, I. Oh, man, we mock. I just. I can't believe you. I just. I can't believe you.

[B]

I just. I don't agree with your. Your. Your comedy sensation.

[A]

You are. You are something. You are something. What a all it took, huh?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

This is. And you know what? When we started this show, when we just. We were just starting to get an idea, I know you didn't want me a part of it. We were starting to build 312 sports. Matty and I, we were meeting over coffee, and he said to me, he goes, yeah, Bernstein, I need to get back in the game, if only to get back at Larry McCarron, because that's.

[A]

What I was just waiting for, the right opportunity.

[B]

He said, I'm gonna bide my time. I'm gonna keep my powder dry until the time is right.

[C]

Oh, I feel all funny. I'm in love. No, wait, it's a stroke.

[B]

And what's interesting is Larry McCarron is only 37 years old, which.

Really, you know, so it's not that bad when you think about it. It really isn't that big a deal.

[F]

Matt, congratulations.

On being part of the longest rivalry in the history, the NFL. How do you feel?

[C]

I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri.

[B]

It's interesting how LaFleur is like, all right, okay, here we go again.

[A]

All right, real quick here. Get off this topic. My guy over there. Look at my guy. Always got my back. Love it. Look at you.

[B]

I do, but I knew it the moment I heard it. Like, I hope. I hope we're not impugning somebody here who's some sort of local legend, but indeed we are.

[F]

Congratulations.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

All right, the.

I can't laugh.

All right, the fragile nfc. Dan.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So just took a quick look here. Coming up in Week 15, Browns at the Bears. Green Bay goes to Denver. That's the Denver Broncos. The Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions go to the LA Rams. Okay, so two tough games for both the packers and the Lions. The Atlanta Falcons play at the Buccaneers. The Raiders at the Eagles, the Colts at Seattle and the Titans go to San Francisco. So if all, all things play out in the favor of the Chicago Bears, they win and get the 10 and 4. Green Bay loses 9 and 4 and 1. Detroit loses 8 and 6. Buccaneers, they're kind of. They're meaningless to us. They're going to have The south, they're 8 and 6, the Eagles 9 and 4. The Bears have the tiebreaker on them. Seattle 11 and 3.

[B]

And the Niners win over the Colts, by the way.

[A]

Yeah. So that makes them 11. Yeah, that makes them 11 and three. The Niners would improve to 10 and four with a win over Tennessee. If the bears get the 10 and 4, here's what that does with the standings. Rams would be the 1 seed, the Bears would be the 2 seed, Eagles 3, Buccaneers 4, Seattle 5, 49ers would be the 6 seed, and the packers would be the 7th seed.

[B]

Well, we got a lot of ups and downs to go before.

[A]

I know, I know. But, but, but we talked about this last week going into this Green Bay game, the fragile, frantic finish of the NFC and how one loss made them the one seed to the seven seed. One win. Yep. And a couple combinations of wins and losses for the Bears props them back up to the two seed. Packers fall back down to the seven seed.

[B]

And they've got to have this win as they have to. We'll get into it this week, but this is a must against the Browns. As we look around the league a little bit here, I think we're done with the Kansas City Chief's dynasty.

[A]

Is that official?

[B]

Did you watch last night?

[A]

It's not good. It's not good. No.

[B]

And they knew it. I thought that Mike Tirico and Chris Collinsworth did a nice job allowing us at least walking us up to some stuff that they didn't say outright.

[A]

What was it? How many super bowls they went? 3 in a row. Right.

[B]

When they went to 5, 4 out.

[A]

Of 5 or something stupid.

[E]

I mean, it's.

[B]

This is how it happened. This is. This is what it looks like when it starts to end.

[A]

And. But the thing is though, they can revamp some. They still have Patrick Mahomes.

[B]

Yeah. But it's. He's not at the peak of his powers.

[A]

Not with that offensive line.

[B]

Again, he's. Guys played a lot of football. How old is he now? Is he 30 yet?

[A]

He's as old as Larry McCarron.

[B]

Wow. I mean, again, Larry's not that old. So it's. They've got another shot to do some rebuilding. Ground. He's not done, but I don't know that he is. I think the best I've ever seen him play was in the super bowl that they lost the Patrick Mo where he was running ladder.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

And he was. He was horizontal with the guard.

[A]

Yeah, he was definitely like a. It was against Buccaneer.

[B]

Yeah. And the Buccaneers are looking around like, oh, my God, are you seeing what this guy is doing?

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's clear that whatever version of this is. Whatever iteration of the team that we've seen is coming to some kind of an end on the injury front. I feel terrible for Daniel Jones. How do you rehab in Achilles when your other leg is broken?

[A]

Yeah, that's no bueno.

[B]

So his good leg is broken while he's trying to rehab an Achilles. That's going to be some hard work getting that done. Oh, my God. And then Jaden Daniels was held out of the game after re. Injuring his elbow. And Zach Ertz's career might be over with a torn ACL is going to need a full reconstruction. And at this point of his dirty hit, too, I think so. Jay Ward. I saw the name Jay Ward. Yeah. And I said, well, Jay Ward's been dead for years. And no, it's not the same Jay Ward.

[A]

I hope not, because that's. That'd be bad.

[B]

The creator of Bullwinkle. And.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This is the football player.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because the Minnesota Vikings, that Jay Ward.

[B]

Really, really significant, important cultural figure, this one. Just a guy who probably is going to get fined or suspended for an illegal hit.

[A]

But yeah, you're right.

[B]

Dirty hit. And you could tell that Zach Ertz knew what was going on, and perhaps he's going to join his. His wife in retirement at this point.

[A]

I know we've talked a lot about point differential, too. The Bears now with that loss, are back to negative one. But congratulations to the NFC south and the AFC North. Why all four teams negative differentials? Steelers are minus three, the Ravens are minus nine, and first and second place in their division. The Buccaneers are negative 26 in first place. Panthers are negative 50, negative 61 for the Falcons, who have been eliminated, and the Saints negative 109. So congrats. NFC South, AFC north, all four teams.

[B]

This is going to be a big and busy week here at 312Sports as we get you ready for Bears and Browns. And just a reminder, get the app. Get the free 312 sports app in the Apple App Store and Google Play and then register your account to get everything that the app is going to bring all your abilities to interact with the show. And once you register your account, you can win great prizes. And we'll be populating that prize list. All you do is you pick what you want and enter the promo code bears on any of those rewards for a chance to win. And that is going to do it for today's Forward progress here.

[A]

Oh, it is? Yeah.

[B]

Are you sure? I think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Why did you not queue up to close?

[A]

No, of course I did.

[B]

No, you got it now.

[A]

No, I've had it.

[B]

On 312 sports.

[A]

Forward Progress, a Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matabeticola. On 312 Sports.