POSTGAME: Caleb Williams and the Bears LOSE 42-38 in San Francisco

Summary

Forward Progress - A Chicago Bears Podcast

POSTGAME: Caleb Williams and the Bears LOSE 42-38 in San Francisco

Hosts: Dan Bernstein and Matt Abbatacola
Date: December 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this electric postgame episode, Dan Bernstein and Matt Abbatacola break down the Bears' wild 42–38 loss to the San Francisco 49ers. The game, a high-scoring shootout with massive playoff implications, left Bears fans both exhilarated by the offensive fireworks and deeply concerned about the team’s glaring defensive weaknesses—particularly their woeful pass rush. Dan and Matt dissect the final frantic minutes, Caleb Williams’ stunning development as QB, and the looming challenges as the Bears eye their postseason future. The tone is passionate, analytical, and at times, classic Chicago “meatball.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. A Wild Ride: Arena League Vibes and Emotional Swings

• The Bears-49ers matchup felt like “an arena football game,” with teams seemingly scoring at will and every possession feeling pivotal. (00:24)
• Both hosts admit that, for the first time in years, they actually felt confident the Bears could win in crunch time. The disappointment of the loss is tempered by the fact that Chicago was competitive to the final play.
  • Quote (Matt): “It’s gotten me to a different level of Bear fandom where I thought...they’re going to pull it off.” (01:23)

2. Final Drive Breakdowns – So Close, So Far

• The Bears got the ball back with 2:15 left, engineered a tense final drive, converting a key third down to Luther Burden (who had an incredible run-after-catch).
• The final play: 4 seconds left, 4 yards to go, the Bears opt for a gutsy hook-and-ladder play that nearly worked, only to fall short as the Niners’ anemic pass rush (league-worst in sacks) came through at the crucial moment. (02:38)
  • Quote (Dan): “The balls to go for the score on a...little hook and ladder, it was really kind of cool. Even though it didn’t hit.” (03:32)

3. Key Offensive Performances

• Caleb Williams: 25/42, 330 yards, 2 TDs, several eye-popping throws, nearly perfect in late-game situations—his evolution is the pod’s recurring refrain.
  • Quote (Matt): “This dude is just playing next level. Looks super comfortable...it’s un-fucking-believable.” (17:35)
• Luther Burden: 8 catches, 138 yards, 1 TD; his YAC and smooth route-running dazzle, but ends game with a concerning hamstring injury (see below).
• Colston Loveland: 6/94/1, emerging as a “star” at tight end.

4. Brock Purdy and the 49ers’ Offense

• Purdy outduels the Bears: 24/33, 303 yards, 3 TD passing, 2 rushing TD; decisively more than a “game manager.”
  • Quote (Dan): “He’s a guy that took that game and he led his team to a victory. They won that game because of Brock Purdy.” (09:00)
• Christian McCaffrey: 23 carries, 140 yards, 1 TD; 5 forced missed tackles, 42 YAC after contact.
• Play-calling from Kyle Shanahan gets glowing praise for creativity and execution.

5. Defensive Woes and The Fatal Flaw

• Bears’ pass rush remains invisible—hosting zero sacks much of the game, even as O-line attrition (Trent Williams out) should have helped.
  • Quote (Dan): “There’s no good ways to supplement a bad pass rush...You just choose how you get killed elsewhere.” (07:14)
• Montez Sweat, massively paid, lacks impact and agility, outshone by lesser-known defenders.
• Turnovers have masked deeper issues, but "you can’t win a playoff game with this kind of defense." (14:26)

6. Injury Watch and Postgame Concern

• Luther Burden leaves with apparent hamstring injury—initially walked with trainers, then carted off. Later, video surfaces of him speaking at his locker postgame (“I gave it my all out there, bro. Tired as hell.” (31:40)), giving some hope.
• Other key players, including Darnell Wright and several others, played through illness. Bears’ roster stretched thin.

7. Playoff Outlook and Seed Permutations

• Bears (now 11-5) must beat the Lions at Soldier Field to guarantee the No. 2 seed; otherwise, the Eagles (also playing at 3:25) can leapfrog.
• Heavy talk of a possible Bears-Packers first-round playoff showdown.
• NFC playoff picture explored in detail; “Blob season” means everything’s still in flux. (33:38)

8. Complaints: Officiating and Broadcast

• Matt’s “meatball moment:” Outrage over missed DPI on DJ Moore and ticky-tack call vs. CJ GJ (29:20).
• Some Bears fans in the comments and both hosts pick up on NBC’s Chris Collinsworth’s perceived bias for Brock Purdy—Dan shrugs it off, focusing instead on the game play.

9. Bright Sides & Meatball Resilience

• Both hosts express gratitude for an offense that can win shootouts.
  • Quote (Dan): “I trust this team, this coach, this quarterback to win a shootout. And I do not think they can win a Super bowl with this defensive line.” (34:55)
• Despite the loss, the Bears are “four yards away from taking the lead” in the final seconds—perspective they say is crucial for fans.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 01:23 | Matt | “It’s gotten me to a different level of Bear fandom where I thought...they’re going to pull it off.” | | 03:32 | Dan | “The balls to go for the score on a...little hook and ladder, it was really kind of cool. Even though it didn’t hit.” | | 09:00 | Dan | “He’s a guy that took that game and he led his team to a victory. They won that game because of Brock Purdy.” | | 17:35 | Matt | “This dude is just playing next level...it’s un-fucking-believable.” (on Caleb Williams) | | 14:26 | Dan | “You can’t win a playoff game with this kind of defense.” | | 31:40 | Luther Burden (via video) | “I gave it my all out there, bro. Tired as hell.” | | 29:20 | Matt | “DJ Moore gets absolutely fucking tackled on an out route and there’s no flag called. I don’t understand it...He took him down from behind before the ball was there.” | | 34:55 | Dan | “I trust this team, this coach, this quarterback to win a shootout. And I do not think they can win a Super bowl with this defensive line.” |

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:24–03:00: Emotional rollercoaster, trust in the offense, breakdown of final drive
• 03:00–05:30: Play design discussion—Ben Johnson’s aggressive play-calling and the hook-and-ladder
• 07:13–09:50: Bears’ defensive line struggles and Purdy/McCaffrey dominance
• 15:55–18:26: Caleb Williams’ and Luther Burden’s stats; praise and critique
• 26:45–27:51: Jalen Johnson’s unexplained absence; concussion protocol concerns
• 28:10–29:20: Matt’s “meatball moment”—officiating complaints
• 34:55–36:11: Bears’ fatal flaw: defensive line vs. offensive promise
• 39:36–40:40: Ben Johnson’s creative offense: Daniel Hardy at fullback, unique formations
• 45:20–47:34: Upcoming Lions game, playoff seed permutations, Packers talk

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Thematic Closing Insights

• The Bears offense is legit. Caleb Williams is rapidly evolving into a franchise QB. The offense generates hope and expectation for fans—but a championship run seems unlikely while the defensive line remains a liability.
• The defense is not playoff-ready. Multiple long discussions emphasize the need for GM Ryan Poles to address the pass rush in the offseason.
• Injuries and health are a present concern, but the resilience and adaptability of the roster is a silver lining.
• Fans are encouraged to enjoy the ride: This season is a step forward, even if it doesn’t end in a Super Bowl.

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Final Takeaways

• The episode is a testament to the balance between analytical rigor and raw fandom. Both hosts gripe, celebrate, and plead with the football gods in vintage Chicago fashion.
• Despite the loss, the sky isn’t falling—the Bears are division champs and capable of fireworks. But the limits of the defense are made plain, and the postseason stakes only grow from here.

“You just have to win. Win at home. Get that revenge game...the Bears put 38 and had a chance to win it. They were four yards away from taking the lead. I’m going to hang my hat on that and be happy as a Bears fan.” (34:41)

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Next Game: Bears vs. Lions, Soldier Field; playoff seeding on the line.

Transcript

[A]

I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you're thinking, forward progress. Come on. Forward progress. A Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matt Abeticola on 312 Sports.

[B]

You know, in a lot of ways, we are not equipped to handle Bears games that just, they look like the kinds of football games that we're used to seeing other teams play. But now these are Bears games and I thought they were going to win. That was a very foreign feeling when they got the ball back with enough time to have control of the game. And I actually thought the Bears were going to win, and I'm disappointed that they didn't, but I certainly understand why they didn't because they didn't play enough defense to really deserve to win. Putting the onus on as productive an offense as we've seen from them in memory. My goodness. This is just. It was like an arena football game, essentially. It felt like an arena game where you just had to hold serve every single time. Absolutely wild and immensely entertaining. It was immensely entertaining.

[A]

Yeah. The Bears got the ball back, Dan, with 215 to go. Plenty of time. And like you, I thought they were going to win. And I just, you know, it's, it's gotten me to a different level of Bear fandom where I thought, yeah, they're, they're going to pull it off. And then when they get the third down conversion from Luther Burden, who makes an unbelievable run after the catch, I was like, okay, that, that's it. They are going to win this game. But the fact that the 49ers had a very efficient, very, very, very efficient, unbelievable offensive output from Brock Purdy, that dude. You know, you have a game where you have the number one overall pick in the draft against the Mr. Irrelevant, the last pick in the draft. You have two 11 and four teams that are, that are competing for the number one seed in the NFC to host all the way through for the Niners through the Super Bowl. So just, it was a fantastic game to watch. As disappointed as I am right now, and there's a lot to get into about this game, but the Bears do fall to the 49ers by a final score, 42 to 38. The Bears with the final play, four seconds to go at the, what, three or four yard line and just could not convert. When the Niners get some pressure when they finally needed it.

[B]

I'm very pleased that neither the drop by Loveland nor the, the inexplicably bad throw by Williams, or I should add, the drop by Luther Burden mattered. Yeah, I Was very worried that we were going to be talking about that and what could have been. But the fact that those were obviated by the first down catch by Loveland and gave them a chance. I thought with that hook and ladder, he was trying to score and win the game. He. They were trying to score a touchdown and win the game on that play. And that would have been incredible. That would have been the stuff of, of myth making and memories and just so much Ben Johnson lore had that hit. They were trying to do it. And I was thinking, thinking perhaps had Comet's pattern taken him further deeper into the end zone, that maybe the guys that were trailing him would have had a difficult time coming back to make the play that they eventually did. But it doesn't matter. I just. The balls to go for the score on a like, interior little hook and ladder. Usually you see that pitched at the boundary where the worst thing that happens, if it goes out of bounds, somehow you kick it out of bounds or whatever you got to do, you slap the ball out of bounds. But in this case, to have that thing ready to go for that moment was really kind of cool. Even though it didn't hit.

[A]

Yeah. And I thought that maybe DeAndre Swift had an opportunity if he cut outside instead of inside, especially with the clock running down. Use the sideline as your, as your friend and maybe he beats that guy to the outside or steps out of bounds if he knows he's not going to beat him. But he did. He did bring it back in. I know he made a couple juke moves, but yeah, the play. I was wondering, like, okay, we're down here deep in the red zone. What is Ben Johnson going to do? Like, what are we going to have the Ben Johnson play that is going to add to the legend of Ben Johnson for this first year? Or was it going to be a Ben Johnson play that we say, what was he thinking? Why was he trying to get too cute? And it worked out and it was just so close. So close.

[B]

We're going to have to do away with the term too cute. I think, I think we really need to get used to the fact that he's going to try anything anytime and sometimes it's not going to work.

[A]

Yeah, no, I agreed. And I think we had the conversation on the play where the, where Dalman snapped it over. Was it Mananguy's head?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, we, you know, we talked about that there. But yeah, those are just, you know, to Ben Johnson. Those are plays and they're, they're meant to score. And that was a play that was. That was meant to score. And, you know, they got down as deep as they could and they had an opportunity. They had one play with four yards to get a touchdown. And again, the 49ers, their last in the league in sacks. And they got pressure when they needed it to make, you know, to make Caleb's uncomfortable there on that last throw.

[B]

I have to say, the entire affair, it started out, the entire thing seemed weird from Jump for several reasons. First of all, the Bears have. They clinch the division. They know likely where they're going to be in the playoffs. It was unlikely they were getting a buy. It was still going to be an uphill battle for that number one seed, no matter what. So to me, from Jump, the stakes felt a little lower where I was not like the packers game, it was not. You just didn't have the same kind of feeling to it. And then because of the inflation of scoring, it just felt like what you do, you drive down the field, you score a touchdown. Not everything felt like these. This is, like I say, we're not used to touchdowns being cheap like this. We're not used to it feeling like this. And it's especially also with so many players sick and even guys who played who were sick, I wasn't sure the level of criticism even to say, like, you know, what can I expect DJ Moore to do in a game where he probably shouldn't even have flown out there? What can I expect from Darnell Wright when they had to fly him out late? And then Olamide Zacchaeus gets sick, he's out. Apparently Nishan Wright was also sick as well as having the bad hamstring, and then he clearly had a concussion and wasn't removed from the game. So I. I don't really know how to critique some of this fairly, because what the Bears were being asked to do against this team, and the bottom line was they're not going to win anything with this defensive line.

[A]

No, they're not.

[B]

They're just not. They're not doing anything. They're not doing anything. You know, Booker had a couple of plays, but it's got to be more than that. And you give Purdy all day, which he doesn't even really need because the ball's out so fast anyway. But this was. I think it showed you a lot about where the Bears are going to be beaten if they get beaten, and they may not, because this league is weird and the games get weird, but I just. There's no good ways to supplement A bad pass rush in a way that doesn't just choose how you get killed elsewhere.

[A]

Yeah. And if you talk about Darnell right there, he actually flew out this morning, so he took an early flight this morning out to San Francisco. And yeah, it was the pass rush. And we were talking about it all throughout the course of the night together, that it was the pass rush. We've mentioned now for a few weeks, we said, what's going to prevent this team from going deep into the playoffs? And it's going to be that lack of pass rush. You have the. The two quarterbacks in this game today that hold the ball the longest. I mean, they, you know, Caleb's number one and Brock Purdy's number two as far as holding the ball. And you see the 49ers with a lack of pass rush because they have the least amount of sacks in the NFL. The Bears, we know their deficiencies and their inadequacies in getting to the quarterback, creating pressure. And even when they, when they would blitz, they just, they couldn't get to Brock Purdy to create any kind of pressure, make him uncomfortable. But he really. He really just. He played great. I mean, he really played great. What do you account for? 5 touchdowns. He threw for 3. He ran for 2. And again, for a guy that we had a discussion with Matt Miller on Friday about being an elite level game manager.

[B]

That's what I said. The highest end possible game manager. And I. And I don't mean that as an insult.

[A]

No, no, not at all. And I totally get what you're saying, but what we saw tonight was a guy who was more than manager. He's a guy that took that game and he led his team to a victory. They won that game because of Brock Purdy, Christian McCaffrey, it seemed like every time he touched the ball, even if he was. Was being being tackled, he broke through tackles. They showed a stat. At one point, he forced five missed tackles and gained 42 yards after that contact. I mean, he really had a great game, but we saw him diminish at the end with that back injury. They saw. We saw them working on him and, and he wasn't being as effective. And then the Bears started to double team him. But Brock Purdy found open guys. He just, he played a really, a great game. And he and Kyle Shanahan right now are just clicking with their offense. I mean, they had five touchdowns last week. He threw four. He accounted for five touchdowns today, so 10 in two weeks. And he's just calling great plays. And their offense Is just clicking and looking really good.

[B]

The Bears and the Lions are going to play at 325 on Sunday.

[A]

Oh, it is okay.

[B]

It's going to be the same time as the Eagles. So the Eagles will be playing the Commanders and that's going to decide the number two seed. But it's going to be a 325 kickoff at Soldier Field for the Bears and the Lions. I also want to find out. I was racing downstairs to find out to hurry up. I want to find out what's going on with Luther Burden. When he was lying in the end zone, I guess he left the field with trainers, walking gingerly under his own power. Okay. So I'm sure we'll find out more, but that's obviously a critical piece of information here that we're going to get. But it. I guess it means something that I thought the Bears were going to win, that I said you just. You left Caleb Williams way too much time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I'm thinking if they. Are they going to leave Purdy too much time if they go down and score, as I expect that they were going to do. But just. Just the fact that I'm there mentally is really foreign. It really takes some getting used to to have that kind of confidence in. In their ability to push it down the field and into the end zone.

[A]

There's some people in the comments here, Dan saying that, and I assume they're talking about. About Luther Burden, that he was carted off the field.

[B]

I did not see that. I was told that he was up and walking with trainers as I was running down.

[A]

Yeah. See, if this is about. About Luther, it says Courtney Cronin said cartoon that he was carted off the field. A few people said that.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I know Sewell was. But I don't know why they'd be. Why would they be saying that right now when you're just talking to Luther Burden?

[B]

Yeah, well, because that. That would be dreadful. That would be absolutely dreadful.

[A]

Yeah. Maybe he was just tired and that's why they needed the cart.

[B]

Well, I certainly hope that's not the case. The Bears have opened as a 2.5 point favorite, 2 1/2 point favorite over the Lions. Luther Burden was apparently seen grabbing his left hand hamstring. Okay. So.

[A]

Man, he played one hell of a game.

[B]

Yeah, he was. He was brilliant. He was absolutely brilliant. And that would. That would just be a shame if, in fact, he was. Oh, that's. That. That would. That would be really unfortunate. But got time before the playoffs. You just hope it's not, you know, one of these multi week hamstring injuries because that would just be the. On the last play of the game. I couldn't even imagine. They've been resilient before.

[A]

Obviously we've talked about the Bears lack of pass rush and you know, I know they can't address it right now. And it's something that Ryan Poles is going to have to address in the off season, you know, with the draft, with free agency, if that's the case, that he, that he needs to upgrade this, this front four in a significant way, just an absolutely significant way.

[B]

Sweat had been playing better and he was not good in this game tonight. He just, he needs to be more impactful. He needs to move faster. I still can't believe that this is the same guy who in 2019 set a combine record for a defensive lineman for running the 40 in the time that he did in 2020.

[A]

Sweat.

[B]

Did Montez sweat?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Was like the all time. He put the. As far as official 40 times ago. I think it was a 4, 4 1. It just doesn't. It looks like a different guy. A 4, 4 1.

[A]

You know, it's. It's very different though. Running a straight line and then showing the necessary agility when a quarterback is juking in and out of the pocket. He just doesn't have that agility and that side to side lateral movement. He looks, he looks really slow that regard. Maybe in a straight line he still is pretty quick, but I just don't see that, that quick movement. You know, a few people have mentioned Max Crosby's name. We know what happened with the Raiders. They shut him down for the last two games, saying he was injured even though he's not. He put on a video of him shooting hoops and looking pretty healthy and looking fine. I don't know what the answer is going to be and we can't worry about that now. We have the Lions coming up this weekend and then the playoffs start on January 10th and that's all that matters for the Bears. But Ryan Poles is going to have to address that in a significant way like he did the offensive line. He's going to need to do the same thing for the defensive line again, draft, free agency, whatever it is. But you're not going to win many games if you have zero pass rush and you leave the middle of the field wide open. The blueprint was out there from the Niners tonight, just the middle of the field. Those digs, those slants were wide open all game long for Brock Purdy.

[B]

Yeah, you can't win a playoff game with this kind of defense. And this in a lot of ways, let's be honest, that turnovers have helped sanitize some of this stuff. Turnovers, Turnovers have been the panacea for these failures all year. And they look great when you get them and they're great to celebrate. But man, when you, when you allow the team to continue to possess the ball and rack up these ridiculous number, the total plays, the total first downs, the time of possession, the total yardage, it's not the last playoff game that even jumps to mind that was even close to having this level of bad defense. It was the packers and the Cardinals. Wasn't that into the 50s? Wasn't that, you know, or certainly both teams in the mid-40s, I want to say. But playoff games don't look like this.

[A]

No, they don't.

[B]

This isn't how playoff games are fought.

[A]

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. There a Packers Cowboys game that the packers went down to Cowboys and kicked the shit out of him in the playoffs. That might have been a high scoring game. You know, it was really frustrating too with Trenton Williams leaving the game so early for the 49ers to not have to. For that to have zero impact on the 49ers. And I think there was one play that Booker got around, Pleasants, and that's his name, Pleasants. And he got to Brock Purdy, hit his arm, the 9 throwing R which threw the pass off. But for that to. For only one play to happen with Trent Williams going out so early was really frustrating, disappointing.

[B]

Caleb Williams finished 25 of 42 for 330 yards. And he played so good, dude, two touchdowns. He did, with the exception of a couple bad passes that held throws. Yeah. Deandre Swift led them in rushing, nine carries for 54. Kyle Menungai, eight for 38. Williams with five carries for 18 yards. Luther Burden, eight receptions on nine targets for 138 yards and a touchdown. Colston Loveland, brilliant with the exception of that late drop, targeted 10 times, caught six for 94 yards and a score. Jedi Walker had four catches for 30 yards. Swift three catches for 25. Comet three for 16. Durham Smythe had a catch for 11. Kyle Manungai, three catches for nine yards. Okay. And D.J. moore had a catch on his four targets for seven yards. Brock Purdy finished 24 of 33 for 303 yards. Three scores and the one pick, Christian McCaffrey, 23 carries, 140 yards and a score. And it was Ricky Pearsall with five catches for 85 yards, leading them in that category. And he just seemed like he was wearing the cloaking device. He just kept being open. But I'll give Purdy a lot of credit.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

He knows where he's going with the ball before the snap. He does.

[A]

Yeah. And that's just, you know, he. The scheme that Kyle Shanahan has put out and the way that he's calling plays right now, the way he's seeing plays develop, what he wants to see from the defense, it just. It's all clicking. Really, really high level right now for the 49ers. And there was that. The one pass that Caleb one hopped to Duvernay that if it's. And I know he's being pressured by two or three guys.

[B]

Touchdown.

[A]

If he sees that, Dan, just a half a second sooner, because duvernay was coming across the field alone. And when he gets to the. When he gets the numbers, it's all green grass. I get it. He's got two big. Two or three big monsters trying to kill him, running right at him. But if he sees it a half a second sooner, it's an easy completion for a touchdown. But, you know, again, that. That was a one hopper. I'm not going to be too mad about that with the pressure there. The one that the high pass to Burden was frustrating. The pass, it was completely off the mark to Loveland on the sideline, but outside of that, man, this dude is just playing. Next level. Looks super comfortable. You know, some of those. Those deep. Those deep passes are just absolute darts. Absolute darts that he's throwing. He's playing from where he was at the start of the season to where he is now as the Bears quarterback. It's un. Fucking believable. And, I mean, the guy is just next level right now.

[B]

I'll really need to go back through the play by play, specifically of. Of that. That last drive. I wish they had more than one shot. After the hook and ladder play, there was a time where they could have taken a timeout, and I. I don't.

[A]

Have exactly 39 seconds to go.

[B]

Yeah, right there.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That's where I. And this is hindsight. This is hindsight. I think Collinsworth might have said something, but this is hindsight to me to say, you know, that would have been a spot. You take it, you set up what you want to do, and then maybe you end up with a second bite at the apple at the end there.

[A]

Yeah, no, Collinsworth did say that there was one. One other thing I wanted to point out about Collinsworth. It was early in the game. I think I have it here in my notes. Yeah. Chicago's third drive and the. The Bears tie it up 14 to 14. They go five plays, 77 yards. There's 258 left in the first quarter. And Chris Collinsworth says just when you thought Caleb Williams was down for the count, they come back and tie the game. And I had to look. I'm like, wait a second, is it the fourth quarter? Where are we at here? Like, oh, wow, it's still the first quarter. There's three minutes to go in the first. And I don't know who among us thought Caleb Williams was down for the count with three minutes left in the first quarter.

[B]

I've also. I noticed in both my living room and in my group chats that there was a lot of complaints complaining about the. The treatment of Caleb Williams by Chris Collinsworth and how he was loving Brock Purdy. And then there were the Mahomes comparisons. And then he caught himself doing it. Tirico made fun of him. He seemed a little bit mad and.

[A]

Gets you mad about it.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, that the report from our buddy Courtney Cronin was right. He was. He came off the field initially on his own and then.

[A]

Well, with help. With help.

[B]

With help. And then did get on a cart. Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So that is. That is the case. So certainly unfortunate because that sounds like if it is hamstring that that would be it.

[A]

Yep. That's not good.

[B]

Yeah, it's not. But let me. And this is going to sound a little weird and this is going to sound. And perhaps it's true.

[A]

You, you, you were making a point though about the. All the, the San Francisco love.

[B]

Yeah. And just it's. Sometimes you're in the home stadium and, and you do that. But I don't think that he's got it in for Cale. Just. I'm not going to play. This goes back to the Troy Aikman thing where Caleb's a big boy, his play is going to speak for itself. And I'm not going to whine about what, what a national broadcaster is saying. I do think that he was very. He was a lot more excited for Brock Purdy. I will also say that he's right about that handful of throws every game.

[A]

No, he's. He's not wrong. He's not wrong about that at all.

[B]

That's the other thing. But let me finish this other thought while I still have it loaded my head. And that is that obviously the injury to Burden would suck, and the loss sucks. But as much as I'm. I'm rationalizing, this defense is not going to win a Super Bowl. I don't care if Burden's healthy. If everybody's healthy and everybody says the nicest things about everybody, this is not a championship defense. And that's okay. That's okay. It's got to be fixed. A lot can happen. You can try to outscore teams and try to win a Super bowl by scoring 40, 50 points a game, but if you can't rush the passer, you can't. You can't expect to win important big games against really good teams. You just can't. And the Bears can't rush the passer. So I just think it's. For this to be a confirmation of that. This isn't just a data point. This was bad defense, and it's okay. This is a really good year. They took the North. I'm. I don't have real good feelings, burden or no burden, about what their. Their playoff possibilities are When. When it's laid bare. This, clearly, this, obviously, that turnovers have been covering up, their inability to rush the passer to bother the papa breathe. It doesn't have to be sacks. It doesn't have to be strip sacks. It's gotta be consistent pressure from somewhere, like you say, Matt. The only hurry they even really had was on. Was on that play by Booker where Booker got a hand on him, and.

[A]

Then Booker did have the. Booker did have the sack where he was lucky that Broc Purdy felt that pressure and ducked a bit because he was going in the helmet again. He was. He was gonna. He was gonna hit him in the back.

[B]

He.

[A]

With his helmet first. He was gonna flag for it. And, you know, he probably would have hurt Purdy. And it was, you know, good for Purdy that he felt him coming, but he lowered that. I'm not sure what he's doing, man. He's running there like a. Like a. Like a missile with his helmet down. So he. He did have a good game, and he had a couple batted balls. I'm telling you. I, you know, there. There's nothing you can do to address personnel right now, obviously.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I, you know, I might move Sweat into the middle and have him rotation in the middle and then have, you know, Shoinka, if he's okay with his concussion, he's being examined for. And then Booker on the outside, just have two faster guys on the outside and then. And then move Sweat into the middle. Like, what else would it hurt? I know that's not why he's there. And you know, people, I've seen a few comments already about Montez Sweat's pay and what he's being paid. He's not worth it. Yeah. While I agree with you, he didn't create that. He didn't go to, you know, Ryan polls and say I want this or I'm not coming. Ryan polls offered him that. Or, you know, when they extended him, he, he gave him that. So I'm not going to begrudge a guy for what someone wants to pay him, but certainly not living up to that dollar's worth. When you look at other guys in the league who are edge rushers, who are being paid a lot of money, but I just don't know what else to do. But I can't disagree with you that the way they're playing defense right now with that lack of pass rush, you're not going to get very far in the playoffs. It's really frustrating and disappointing because I just, I love watching this team play and I love seeing what they're doing on offense. I love to see the development of Caleb Williams and Kyle menungai and, and DeAndre Sweat, how they're running the football and how that offensive line is playing. I just, I just don't want to. Did I say DeAndre Sweat? Yeah. DeAndre Swift. I just, you know, I don't want it to end sooner than I wanted to as a Bears fan, but this lack of pass rush is going to kill them in the playoffs.

[B]

Did we ever get an explanation in game about the series in which Tyreek Stevenson came in for Jalen Johnson? Because I believe he started the third quarter at that spot.

[A]

There was no explanation given.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Plus it was about the Bears too, so they weren't going to go too deep on the Bear side of things.

[B]

Was, was Jalen Johnson benched? Because I didn't hear anything about an injury.

[A]

No.

[B]

And I, I always was under the impression that if Stevenson was going to be worked in that they were going to do that on Nishan Wright's side. But think about this too. Even with Nishan Wright probably having an undiagnosed concussion, and that's by the way something to look for this week is if in fact this ends up being one of like the brisker concussions from last year where he, he's got a five hour flight back to Chicago and I want to make sure that he's okay because it did look like a little bit of that, that economic response. Yeah, that, that kind of fencers response or so I, I don't want to hear the fact that he played an entire game after. There were a lot of. Of people who might have recognized and people paid to recognize doing it. That's their job to determine that should have happened. But the fact that he was out there and was on the injury report with a hamstring and apparently was sick but when they put Stevenson in, it wasn't for him.

[A]

No, it wasn't.

[B]

No.

[A]

So, yeah, I'm trying to see and I'm. I didn't see anything from any of the Bears people.

[B]

I didn't either.

[A]

About. About Johnson.

[B]

I know Johnson made a great play on that very first pass.

[A]

Yeah, he did. I was really surprised that Nishan Wright stayed in that game from that hit he took because it was. It was straight crown of the helmet right into his face mask. He went down, hands froze at the side of his helmet. I was really surprised to see him back in there.

[B]

And as we learned over the years, and they change helmet design because of it, that torsion is as much at fault for some concussion causation as the impact itself. It's the combination of the impact of. With the spin that can have the brain bouncing around on the inside of the skull. So it had every earmark of. Of something that at least should have had a buzz down from the. The objective observer for more of a check. But hope he's okay. And it's. Man, there, there was. There was just a lot going on offensively in that game and very little to stop it. The moment they settled for that field.

[A]

Goal, you know, you think there was 80 points scored?

[B]

Yeah, you knew it.

[A]

I think there was a lot going on.

[B]

Total yards. Geez. It was like I say, it really felt, you know, having done arena football, having done radio and tv, it felt like an arena game where anything less than a touchdown is. Is an empty possession.

[A]

All right. There's a few players I just want to mention real quick and then I want to have my meatball moment for a second too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I thought Jaquan Brisker had himself a game. I thought. I just felt like he was more active. He seemed more active than he has been in several weeks. Dexter. I thought Dexter had a good game. I thought he played the run really well. I thought he was showing up a lot defensively outside of that. That hands of the face call on the 49ers 10th drive that gave them the go ahead touchdown. That was a difficult call. All right, so let me have my meatball moment of the game because you Know, super Bears fan here. A couple things that really pissed me off. First of all, the call on CJ gj, I thought was absolute bullshit. Absolute complete. I've seen so much worse. Like the one that happened to. Was it. Was it Caleb or was it Luther that was running around and he got this face mask grabbed, I think was Luther. Nothing was called on there, but that call was horseshit. And the fact that they made that call was absolute horseshit. And then the. The play where DJ Moore gets absolutely fucking tackled on an out route and there's no flag called. I don't understand it. And then again, it's brushed off in the broadcast. Oh, they got their legs tangled up. No, no, they didn't. Chris, he took him down from behind before the ball was there. And there's an official right there. I'm not sure how that's not called either.

[B]

That was the pick play right to the outside where they. They had it. And I thought the ball was perfectly placed.

[A]

It was because he didn't catch it because he got fucking tackled. Anyway, so that's my meatball moment. What pissed me off in the game. Not too bad. Okay. You know, as bad as I feel, I mean, as disappointed as I am, it's just like this was kind of like an emotional. Like I was like a different level from last week with the packers, you.

[B]

Know, like, that's what I mean. It didn't feel like there was as much at stake.

[A]

And I know that there was. You know, they needed to win out, they needed help with Seattle losing next week to San Francisco to get the number one seed. But you won the division, you're in the playoffs. And I was just like coming off that packers game, I was just, I was ready just to sit down and whatever happened, this game was going to happen. And it was a very entertaining game. Disappointed. They lost. And one thing I wanted much, I. While I mentioned that packers game last week, we forgot. We haven't talked about this. I'm not sure if you saw this, but that game winning pass that Caleb threw against the packers, did you see the PFF grade on it?

[B]

I did not.

[A]

So they graded it a plus two, which is the highest grade a pass can get. And in the existence of PFF, that's the 31st perfect score they've given on a pass. And it's the highest and only pass this year of a plus two. So we've talked about that a lot, you know, and their ratings and how he's been, you know, dinged a lot by pff. But so that particular pass, according to pff, would be the single greatest pass of this season.

[B]

Now this, you can take this for what it's worth, but I am seeing video here from Marquee Sports Network of Luther Burden speaking after the game, sitting at his locker. Okay, so the fact that he isn't hiding somewhere with trainers or undergoing whatever imaging they might have at Levi's Stadium is probably a pretty good sign. The. The fact that he is out there and feels good enough and confident enough to talk to the media. It may not, but it's usually rare if somebody has a serious injury to not be immediately talking with doctors and. Or trainers for a significant amount of time after the game.

[A]

Yeah, to be. To be with. With people right now getting treated or examined or looked at. Yeah, that's a. That's a good sign. So good, good, good, good call there.

[B]

And he was asked, they said, how do you feel? He said, I gave it my all out there, bro. Tired as hell. Okay, this is.

[A]

Oh, this is funny. On an X from the wiener circle. They tweeted out, that was the best Bears loss ever. Don't even feel bad about it. And now we're locked in to play the packers round one.

[B]

Well, wait, is that true? Doesn't it depend what happens with the Eagles?

[A]

Yeah, I think. I think the Bears have to. The Bears need to win against the Lions to keep that two seed.

[B]

Right? Right. I don't think they're locked in yet. You're in charge of that, by the way. You're better at that than I am looking at it. You're better at permutations than I am. So as we do this this week, you're going to be in charge of all that?

[A]

Well, I mean, even so, I mean, if the Bears lose, then, yeah, the Eagles can jump them at 12 and 5, but if they both go 12 and 5, the Bears obviously own the tiebreaker head to head. So, yeah, let's just get the win and then it doesn't matter and they'll keep that two seed there.

[B]

And while we're talking about the packers, shout out to the Ravens for having the cheese grater hats on.

[A]

Yes. How about that?

[B]

I was going to call you and I didn't want to bother you. You get enough of me, you know, during the week. But I just thought that was hysterical.

[A]

Oh, no, I was watching. I saw it. I was. It was. It was great. It was absolutely great that they pulled him out. And speaking of that, speaking of the Ravens, next Sunday, the Steelers and Ravens play for the. The AFC North Title because the Steelers only managed. And the great Aaron Rodgers six points against Cleveland today, and that was a 10 to 6 or 13 to 6 loss.

[B]

So do we have three division championship games? We have the NFC south now between the Bucks and the Panthers. We have the. The NFC west between the Seattle and the Niners. And then we have the Steelers, Ravens, North, Steelers, Raven. So there's three division championship games coming up this week.

[A]

Yeah. And that's what the Blob season does for you.

[B]

Hey, if it's. But look. Look how entertaining this is.

[A]

Oh, I know, I know. You know, and here's. And here's the thing too, about the Bears defense. And I obviously, I'm, you know, I want them to go far in the playoffs. Want them to see him win a Super bowl. This year would be absolutely amazing. And Ben Johnson's first year in Caleb's second season as a quarterback for the NFL. In the NFL, you're not going to run into a team that's putting up points like this with the Niners like that. That's. They're not going to keep this up consistently. They can't. Dude, this was the first game that, the first time that their punter punted in December and he had two punts today. Like, that's, that's not going to. That, that, that's not going to keep up. It's just not. It's just not. I mean, especially the inconsistency that we've seen in this Blob season of teams that their one week look like world beaters, the next week they can barely score points. You know, that's just what we've seen. And I think right now the 49ers are hot. And what we need to walk away from this game with is the fact that The Bears put 38 and had a chance to win it. They were four yards away from taking the lead. And I'm going to, I'm going to hang my hat on that and be happy as a Bears fan with that, as disappointed as I am in the loss, they didn't go out there, play in a tough environment against a team that's red hot right now and get the shit kicked out of them. They were there with a chance to win and they just didn't execute at the end.

[B]

Yeah. My two big conclusions are I trust this team, this coach, this quarterback to win a shootout. And I do not think they can win a Super bowl with this defensive line. Those were my conclusions from this game. And I might have been there before, but I just. The and somebody might say, well, they've been, you know, they won 11 games with this defensive line and they did it with the turnovers that they've gotten. And we can debate all day the sustainability of some of these turnovers, but it doesn't matter.

[A]

I mean, they've been doing it, though.

[B]

That's the thing. I just don't think you carry it into the playoffs. I really don't. The game changes. Playoff games are different. I don't think you carry this. I don't think you can. You can win the number of playoff games they have to win in a row to win a Super bowl without an ability to consistently pressure the quarterback. Yeah, no, and that's okay. It doesn't mean this season is a waste and it doesn't mean that crazy things can't happen, because this is a. This is a hell of a lot of fun, this whole ride. And even the last two losses they've had, even the packers loss and this loss have been immensely entertaining football games.

[A]

Yeah, Dan. They just didn't execute at the end. And it wasn't like they were out of it. And they were, you know, they lost by two or three touchdowns or they weren't in the game at all. They just didn't execute on final plays. That's great. That's a great position to be in for a football team. Obviously you want to come out on the other side of it, but that's a great place to be to have a chance to win. It's all you ask for in professional sports. And it was so weird with this game how you have the first pass, the first play of the game goes for a pick six. And I mean, I got that high pitched squeal again going. And I was screaming at the TV, I was so excited. And then they just. The 49ers is so easily just march down. And I was like, all right. I went from like the emotion and I was like, oh my God, I can't believe this is going to happen here. And then they just. They walked down there. They walked down the entire length of field. Like the Bears defense wasn't even there. Well, I was like, well, this is going to be too easy. That's. That's not good.

[B]

Coaches run such gorgeous stuff. They really do. When, when they ran that split flow.

[A]

Action on the end around the.

[B]

Well, the one where McCaffrey is. They ran it twice. They get. They get so much moving in one direction that really sells even an experienced defense like the split flow that had McCaffrey going one way as if he were the ball carrier. They send it to the other side and then they have the throwback where they set up a screen and got everything going. He's just brilliant at that. It really is, he and I. I've watched what Kyle Shanahan's dad did with the Broncos, and you can see the seeds of it there. If you go back and watch a lot of the stuff that he had going on there. But this is next level. This is really just next level stuff. Taking the Mike Shanahan basic things and now coming up with just so many different variations. And I'm sure that when he watches the tape, I. Because these guys all steal from each other all the time, and they love stealing from each other. And I'm not going to be surprised to see stuff that, that Ben Johnson likes. I, I. It's kind of too bad, though, that he burned the hook and ladder. I wonder when, when they put that in, because that's the sort of thing that maybe you would see that to win a playoff game or that to, you know, to pick up a critical first down in a playoff game. But the, that. And did you see Daniel Hardy in the backfield?

[A]

I didn't notice that.

[B]

Did you see that? Yes, he was, he was lined up as a fullback. It was a really weird formation. And, and I said something to nobody in particular. I said, look at that formation. And then I hear Jason go, yeah, that's Daniel Hardy as fullback. And I said, all right. Because I think it's worth asking about where that came from, because we certainly hadn't seen that before.

[A]

Yeah. So listeners says that he was the fullback on the swift touchdown.

[B]

It was okay. It was. Let me see if I. Yeah, I did. I wrote that down. I did. I knew it. Daniel Hardy in backfield there. See?

[A]

We believe you.

[B]

I wrote it down.

[A]

Beautiful mind. Yeah, we believe you gotta check the work.

[B]

Okay, but so that every game with this guy, every game, there's stuff you haven't seen before and it's all in there. They put it all in, so who knows? I don't think you want to show anything next week, but if it's either a Bears win or an Eagles loss and they'll be the two seed.

[A]

They'll be the two seed. Yeah. Yeah. You just have to win. Win at home. Get that, that's that rent that revenge game for the second week of the season when the Bears got motorboated, you know, the Bears eighth drive when they, when they ended up getting the field, they settled for the field goal that second and goal play. That little, little like underhanded pitch to Manangai. I just, I didn't, I didn't quite shovel pass. Yeah, I didn't quite get the call right there at that. At that point.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Just before that too. The delay of game was really frustrating that they got to that point there. That was also the drive where Luther Bird makes the. The first play. Is that that catch the bird on the sideline when he juked out the corner. Twice his strides, dude, are just. Are insane. And it looks like he's barely moving, but he's flying at the same time.

[B]

Yeah. By the way, he's so smooth. That number 26. He got the same guy twice on that same play.

[A]

Yes. And the second time he felt he fell down. That was. Who is that?

[B]

That is. He got him. He recovers. He's like, okay, I'm back in the play. Oh, now I fell down again.

[A]

It was Lucas. His last name is Lucas. Yeah, he got him twice on the same reception and he fell down the second time around.

[B]

And first of all, as we, as we do our weekly Andrew Billings watch, when the man gets a tackle for loss. Say his name, please. Just come on. Give the guy a little bit of credit.

[A]

I was really mad about. I put that out on X actually. I was really mad also. Any love for it? He sat on top of him and he just disappeared. And then he says, oh, Noah Sewell makes the play.

[B]

Noah Sewell?

[A]

Yeah, he swiped that tripped him up.

[B]

But that was big, Bill.

[A]

Andrew Billings sat on top of him.

[B]

And that's for a loss. Yeah. If you wake up in the morning and you say, well, what's going to happen to me today? And somebody says, andrew Billings at some point today is going to sit on top of you. You don't leave the house.

[A]

No.

[B]

You don't want that to happen.

[A]

You stay home.

[B]

Yeah, I stay home that day. You call in, you work from home.

[A]

You have an option hit by bus or have Andrew buildings sit on you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, I take the bus.

[B]

No, I wouldn't mind if Andrew Billings, you know, occasionally just comes over and takes care of you. You know, just reassures you that everything's fine and he's looking out for you. Is that. That would feel good to know you got that going for you.

[A]

There was at one point, and there was one play, I can't remember the exact situation with Billings hugged a guy. It looked like a really nice, comfortable hug.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no doubt.

[A]

Like that would be a really, really nice hug to get no, not like the.

[B]

He. He probably ranked third. My hugging rankings right now, the hug rankings. I'd say John Vincent is number one. You know, John, the. The big anthem.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

He's number one. And. And Adam Amin is number two.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. You. You wouldn't think so.

[A]

Yeah. Why. Why is that?

[B]

Because he. He just.

[A]

He. He.

[B]

The guy gives a good hug. He really is. He. He means it. He's powerful. He's. You know, he's. He's. He's compact. But. Yes, I think Billings would probably be on that list at some point, but you might never emerge. He might just sort of eat you like a. Like a white blood cell eating a pathogen.

[A]

All right, one other guy to mention. Out to 323 left in the first. Bears have a pretty bad drive. They go three and out. But on the punt, remember, this is the Jalen Jones. Jalen Jones, I mean, drills. Yeah, he drilled him. It was a great play. That was really good play.

[B]

Yes. I'm glad you hung a star on that. I'm glad you did. And I also. Colston Loveland's a star.

[A]

Yeah, he is.

[B]

He's a star. Get used to him, man.

[A]

Do you want.

[B]

After everything you went through with Tyler Warren and they took the wrong tight end and why. Ben Johnson knows what he's doing. He took this guy for a reason. And go ahead and put a linebacker on him. If you see that number 57 there, that wheel route that they ran.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Anytime they want to put a bigger dude, that guy's toast.

[A]

Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. One other play about Andrew billings to the 43 yard run. I think it was a 43 yard run by McCaffrey. He goes downfield. You know who was there in that play? Big Bill.

[B]

Big Bill.

[A]

Andrew Billings ran all the way down. Yeah, he was there. I don't think he got on McCaffrey, but he was in the screen. So he's in the shot, and I'll give him credit for that.

[B]

Good.

[A]

That's a. That's a big run for my guy.

[B]

Good. I'm happy that he did. I also, I want to single out, too, that Drew Dahlman in zone run continues to just be a monster. And he had a block on the 35 yard touchdown that Williams threw to Burden. Dahlman stayed with his block and he was giving up, I don't know, 80 pounds to whoever he was pushing away. And had he not slid his feet and finished the very, very end of that block, I don't think Williams would have had a clean release point window to throw that Ball through. But it just, he hung on and hung on and hung on and never gave up on that block. And he has to, I mean, because he's, he's not the biggest guy in the world. And usually you see him out and moving and down the field, but the, the interior of this line, for the most part, you know, they didn't, they didn't lean on the running game much because they didn't have to. This just, the game just didn't fall that way. But as bad as the defensive line is, and even considering what was going on all week with the illnesses that they had at every single position, that, that, that, that guard, center, guard continues to, to stand out and stand stout. Yeah.

[A]

So let's see if how this, how this plays out for next week then. So easy thing to do is just beat the Lions at home and give the Lions a losing record, which would just be crazy to think about.

[B]

And they might have packed it in at this point.

[A]

It seemed like it the other day. It sure seemed like it the other day. So just the easy thing to do is to go win that game. The Eagles are playing the commanders and they're not losing that game. Eagles aren't losing. So Bears just got to go out and win that game. Get the two seed, finish that up there. And then that would be the packers at the seven seed, most likely because then who would be the six seed? So bears two, Philly three. AFC south is four. Five would be either Seattle or the 49ers. And then, oh, the Rams would be six.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So three seed would, you'd get the Rams. Two seed would get the seven seed, most likely the, the Packers. He's got to go out and win. Go out and ready.

[B]

I'm ready for a Packers rematch, man.

[A]

Yeah, I would like a few touchdown win against the packers at home. That would make me feel good. Although, I mean, all the love for Malik Willis that I saw today. I mean, people are saying that he might be one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Like, you know, let's see, let's see him do a full season. I'll tell you what I mean, Guy played great.

[B]

He might make a lot of money. Yeah. You know, he might, he might. Good for him. Good for him. I, I, it meant something that Matt LaFleur let him throw the ball downfield as much as he did. They didn't have the mittens on him in that game. That was, that was a fully quarterbacked game.

[A]

No, I think so. I think he, I think he, when he, when he Has Willis in. He's not afraid to have the whole. The whole playbook out. And then you get the added addition of his ability to run too, which. Which makes a difference. That was a pretty entertaining game. I'll be honest with you. Seeing backup quarterbacks play in Huntley and Willis. I thought that was a pretty entertaining game. This capped off by the cheese graters which made it great.

[B]

And maybe we'll just see more of them if these teams meet again. So.

[A]

Oh dude, if they do, you know that that company is going to have a rush on cheese grater hats because they are going to litter Soldier Field.

[B]

And the greatest thing is that they made the cheese grater hats because they got a cease and desist letter from the packers for making unsanctioned cheesehead hats.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So they're invested in the Bears success or maybe in the packers failure or at least in schadenfreude. That's really what is. It would be tracking with their sales would be distaste for the Packers. So hey, you know, let them. Let them enjoy it and go for it and we'll see where it goes. This was. It was. It was a terrific game. That did point out what would might be the Bears. You know, the fatal flaw in the 2025 Bears is just not having a good enough defense. And if they can overcome it, if they can score 50 a game and win the super bowl doing it, man, go get it. I just. I don't know if it's ever been done.

[A]

I want to be more specific though about the defense and say that it's the lack of pass rush.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And not say that a bad defense because I think they're not overall a bad defense. It's. It's the pass rush.

[B]

Yeah. But a lot of it too that the, the numbers for the defense this year have been artificially buoyed by turnovers that have stopped drives that have flipped the field, that have changed games. I knew people love to talk about the identity and this is what we do. It's what we do. I would rather what you do is rush the passer really well.

[A]

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

[B]

But that'll come from that.

[A]

A lack of pass rush opens up opportunities downfield. I don't care who you are, you're not going to, you know, cover a guy for five or six seconds. Seconds. And also, I mean they're a good third down defensive team. They're generally good in the red zone as well too. With the exception of today's game of course. But you know, I think they're, they're, they're not a terrible defense. It's just, it's a terrible pass rush, which really impacts everything they do. So. Yep.

[B]

And they have one of the highest paid pass rushers in football.

[A]

Yeah, I think he's second or third at that position.

[B]

Well, 42 to 38. The Bears drop to 11 and 5 on the year, but they are NFC north champions and we will find out in one more game if they're the two seed or the three seed. And whether not that rematch with the packers comes to fruition. A tough one in front of the nation, but a fun one. And boy, are we going to be busy all week talking about it on dbu on forward progress. And we're going to have full week of all the shows that you're used to for you for this week. I know there's a lot of people off we're not because we don't want to be.

[A]

We don't want to be. And one other note too. So the, the, the new podcast that I have coming out for 312 sports from the 50 yes, I have an introduction podcast that releases tomorrow morning.

[B]

Oh cool. I didn't even know.

[A]

Yeah, so we'll have a new episodes will drop every Monday. So the first kind of an introduction about what the podcast is going to be, what it's all about and the genesis of it that will release tomorrow morning. And any place you get podcasts, there won't be a YouTube for it. It's just podcast only. So wherever you get your podcast, the 312 Sports app or Apple or Spotify, it'll be there for you. And then January 5th will be the first official episode with a guest. And the first guest is an actor that I was fortunate enough to connect with years ago through the score, John Ortiz. And you know John Ortiz from Silver Linings Playbook. He was cool. You know he's doing some TV stuff right now. Bad Monkey with Vince Vaughn. He was in luck horse racing show years ago. That's how we originally connected. He's done a Transformers movie, Bumblebee. He was in Kong like Skull Island. He did Carlito's Way. He was in Miami Vice. Pride and glory. Did a lot of, lot of great things. So that'll be the first, first official episode January 5th. But tomorrow a little introduction to what we're going to be doing.

[B]

Very cool. So we'll get right back at it tomorrow morning. DBU dropping around 11am and our next forward progress will be there for for you around 1 o' clock so the Bears lose it 42 to 38 and we'll check you tomorrow.