Should the Bears go after Trey Hendrickson in free agency?

Summary

Forward Progress – A Chicago Bears Podcast Episode Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Matt Abbatacola
Topic: Should the Bears go after Trey Hendrickson in free agency?

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Chicago Bears’ offseason plans, centering on whether the team should pursue pass rusher Trey Hendrickson in free agency. Amid lively banter and classic Bears angst, Dan Bernstein and Matt Abbatacola analyze the fit, risks, and broader free agency implications, all while keeping tabs on NFL coaching trends, Senior Bowl updates, and the revolving door of NFL coordinators. True to their style, the hosts blend serious Bears analysis with the wit and authenticity that have earned them loyal fans over the years.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bears Offseason: The “Adjustment Period” for Fans

• Both hosts reflect on the emotional aftermath of an exciting Bears season now ended, dubbing it “Bears withdrawal.”
  • Dan Bernstein (01:18): “We are in that sort of Bears adjustment period … feeling those phantom pains on Sundays and Sunday nights and those absences, emotional absences that will only be replaced by Bears football.”
• They reassure listeners that Forward Progress will continue covering both Bears and broader NFL developments throughout the offseason.

Segment Focus: Trey Hendrickson and the Bears’ Pass Rush Needs

Should Chicago pursue Trey Hendrickson?

• Contract Expectations: Hendrickson is reportedly seeking a 2-year deal worth $50–60 million (06:35).
• Health is Paramount:
  • Dan Bernstein (06:49): “The length of the deal is critical… I don’t want to go too long for an aging pass rusher… But if he’s healthy and they’ve got two more close to prime seasons, [I’m interested]. Your medical people really matter here.”
• Cautious Optimism due to Bears’ History:
  • Both hosts reference the failed Jared Allen signing as a cautionary tale, hesitant about repeating past mistakes.
    • Dan Bernstein (07:37): “The Jared Allen thing… there’s just a negativity bias of the ones that didn’t work when Julius Peppers did.”
• Potential Impact:
  • If healthy, Hendrickson is considered a top 5–7 edge rusher—something the Bears “desperately need.”
  • Matt Abbatacola (08:25): “A two-year deal at 50 to 60 million—I’m good with that. As long as he gets that full [medical] clearance.”
• Depth Chart Implications:
  • Even with Okoronkwo’s return and Montez Sweat’s presence, the Bears still lack a true “number one” edge rusher.
    • Dan Bernstein (09:12): “You have to now approach this thinking that Sweat, on a great line, is a number two. That you still need to find a number one.”
  • Matt (09:22): “You need a guy that other teams have to significantly game plan for.”
  • The possibility of exploring a Maxx Crosby trade is also raised, but the main sentiment is to “keep everything on the table.”

Free Agency Notes: Cornerbacks and Market Value

• Nashon Wright’s Market:
  • Expected to command $12–16 million/year—a price neither host is willing to pay for an unproven starter.
    • Dan Bernstein (09:52): “I am not paying full retail…like at their name store. That's what you'd be paying for Nishan, Right?”
  • Matt Abbatacola (10:51): “Would love to see him back in the Bears uniform, but I just don't think that's going to happen with a multi-year contract at 12 to 16 million.”

Senior Bowl & Quarterback Talk

• Diego Pavia (QB prospect) gets measured at just under 5’10”, leading to a running joke about short QBs and a steak dinner bet between the hosts about whether he’ll ever play an NFL snap (16:25–18:42).
• Lively banter about other undersized players and how one “hard-nosed” guy with the right attitude might get a shot.

NFL Coaching Dominoes & Trends

• Matt Nagy’s Future:
  • Andy Reid’s comments are dissected—seeming to softly “push Nagy out of the nest,” urging him to “go do his thing.”
    • Dan Bernstein (21:20): “They pushed him away from the nest. This sounds like the mama bird saying: Time to fly on your own. I’m not bringing you back mouthfuls of worms.”
  • Hosts joke about what Nagy’s “thing” really is—everything from folk music to scrapbooking.
• Offensive vs. Defensive Coaches:
  • Dan Bernstein (26:47): “The pendulum swings … but it still comes down to the offense. Especially if you have a young quarterback.”
  • Matt Abbatacola (27:01): “If you have an unproven young quarterback, don’t you want an offensive guy?”
  • The hosts note a recent uptick in defensive head coach hires, and speculate on how quickly the NFL’s ‘coaching carousel’ moves.

Eagles’ OC Vacancy

• Discussed as an oddly unattractive job, given the roster’s offensive talent but underlying locker room drama (31:46–32:43).
  • Dan Bernstein (31:50): “Wouldn’t that be the ultimate challenge? You’ve got so much skill there.”
  • The hosts joke that maybe Matt Nagy can go there and “do his thing.”

Bears & NFL “Housekeeping” and Lighter Moments

• Small talk about “who’s messing up the office kitchen sink” (13:39–15:39), banter on HR-driven corporate layoffs, and a running joke about launching new segment ideas (“At The Movies With Matt”—spoiler reviews).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hendrickson’s Fit:
  • Dan Bernstein (06:49): “I don’t want to go too long for an aging pass rusher, but I’m not going to…say no if he’s healthy.”
  • Matt Abbatacola (08:25): “A two-year deal at 50 to 60 million – I’m good with that…as long as he gets that full [medical] clearance.”
• On Bears’ Edge Rusher Needs:
  • Dan Bernstein (09:12): “You have to now approach this thinking that Sweat, on a great line, is a number two…You still need to find a number one.”
• On Past Free Agent Regrets:
  • Dan Bernstein (07:37): “The Jared Allen thing just…is still in my brain. There’s just a negativity bias of the ones that didn’t work when Julius Peppers did.”
• On “Retail” Free Agency Prices:
  • Dan Bernstein (09:52): “I am not paying full retail, department store retail…That’s what you’d be paying for Nishan, Right?”
• Coaching Carousel Snark:
  • Dan Bernstein (26:47): “The pendulum swings... but it still comes down to the offense.”
  • Dan Bernstein (21:20): “They pushed [Nagy] away from the nest… No more mouthfuls of worms.”
  • Matt Abbatacola (22:28): “Maybe he’s a folk singer. What’s his thing?”
• Senior Bowl Measurement Gags:
  • Dan Bernstein (17:05): “He measured at 5, 9 and 7/8. Oh, no. Which is almost cruel. Like, give him the extra digit. Give him 5’10”.”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Bears Adjustment Period & Show Format Clarification: 01:18–04:31
• Super Bowl Participant Reaction: 05:33–06:02
• Trey Hendrickson Free Agency Discussion: 06:02–08:42
• Edge Rusher Depth & Alternatives (Maxx Crosby): 08:42–09:33
• Nashon Wright Free Agency Value: 09:33–11:12
• Senior Bowl Measurements/Bears QB Banter: 15:42–18:42
• Andy Reid & Matt Nagy, “Soft Firing” Analysis: 20:19–23:44
• Offseason Coaching Carousel & Coordinator Hires: 25:59–28:10
• Defensive Head Coach Hiring Trend: 26:44–28:10
• Eagles Offensive Coordinator Vacancy: 31:46–32:43
• Wrap-up and Podcast Humor: 36:53–38:35

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: A candid mix of football nerdery, sardonic humor, and earnest Bears concern. Both hosts bring classic Chicago skepticism, often referencing past disappointments to ground their optimism for moves like a Hendrickson signing.
• Takeaway: If healthy and on a short-term deal, Hendrickson’s addition could immediately boost the Bears’ pass rush—provided the team does thorough medical vetting. Past mistakes loom large in the hosts’ minds, prompting a “proceed with caution” approach that balances urgency with prudence.

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Listeners get not only a thorough assessment of the Trey Hendrickson situation but also vintage Bears fan anxiety, jokes about the NFL’s inner workings, and a sense of camaraderie that will carry them through the unpredictable offseason.

Transcript

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[Matt Abola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

Hey. We get. Yeah, we have forward progress to give you. We have all this forward progress that needs to be awarded post haste and so we are going to do that for you here on 312 Sports. This is nominally a Chicago Bears podcast and we are in that sort of Bears adjustment period is what this is where we're and I think I mentioned on DBU about Bears withdrawal and feeling those phantom pains on Sundays and Sunday nights and those absences, emotional absences that will only be replaced by Bears football.

[Matt Abola]

Bears football.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. The 2026 season according to Ben Johnson is upon us.

[Matt Abola]

Is already upon us. Now we'll continue doing People have asked this in emails and on voice messages. You can email us Dan at 312Sports, Matt at 312Sports. Get the 31 2Sports app. You can leave us messages there as well as voice messages. And I'll tell you a couple things here. When you leave a voice message and you click submit, you're good to go.

[Dan Bernstein]

It should say your voice message has been recorded and sent.

[Matt Abola]

You don't have to send it 10 times. It comes through. We get it. It's all good. Another thing people have mentioned, oddly enough over the last couple days, we do have two separate shows. There's a Forward Progress Bears podcast which will now transition into also all things NFL. We do all things NFL on it, but we focus on Bears. We'll continue doing forward progress every day. That's not going to stop. People have asked, now that the Bear season is done, will you stop forward progress? No, we will continue that with more of a focus on the NFL and Bears happenings as they come through.

[Dan Bernstein]

But there will be Bears happening, right?

[Matt Abola]

Things will happen during the off season and we'll be here for it. Not only are there significant things, but as they begin signing free agents or resigning their own players or other players, our players sign elsewhere. We'll be here for all of it throughout the entire off season as well. We have another show called Dan Bernstein Unfiltered. Maybe you listen to Ford Progress and you haven't listened to DBU. We have both under the 312 Sports umbrella now. There are two separate YouTube channels. One is for DBU, which is under 312 Sports, and Ford Progress has its own YouTube channel as well. Subscribe to both and listen to both.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Also under the 312 sports banner you can find organizations win championships. That is about your Chicago Bulls in the NBA specifically.

[Matt Abola]

And from the 50, which is something I do solo. It comes out once a week. Every Monday a new episode drops. It's just a a full a longer one on one interview with a guest of my choice. It may be someone that you know, recognize their name, someone in the news, someone you might not know. My last episode this past Monday, so that was yesterday. That dropped was Doug Plord. He is a senior director of learning and development, sales development at adp. A guy that I met seven years ago in sales training and he's a wonderful guy. Had a great conversation with him, a huge Buffalo Bills fan. So of course we got into that.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they've got a coach. We're going to get to that.

[Matt Abola]

They certainly do. Next Monday I'm actually going to drop an episode with Lynn Jones, who was the reporter from the Jacksonville Free Press that complimented Liam Cohen in the post game press conference about his great season which just stirred up a ton of controversy. And so she's been doing this for a long time. Have that conversation coming up next Monday. So it's stuff like that. John Ortiz, an actor you might recognize. We mentioned in DBU earlier today Tom Silla was a guest. He's a 59 year old college freshman who played football. So it might be someone you know, someone in the news, someone you might not know, but just check it out. Thanks for mentioning that. Get 312Sports app at the Apple App Store or Google Play. It's all right there for you. So those are the different shows. Check them all out under the 312Sports umbrella. But Forward Progress DBU have two separate YouTube channels. There was a couple emails that have come through recently. A little confusion about that but hopefully clear that up for you right now. So we mentioned the super bowl gets the Seahawks and the Patriots.

[Dan Bernstein]

Woohoo.

[Matt Abola]

I'm just not that excited about it right now. Maybe as the game gets closer, Dan, I'll get more excited.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm sure you will. We always do. That is the one thing you can absolutely count on is by the time the game gets closer we'll be ready for it. It's just not. It's not one of these where we get the immediate electrical impulse like whoa, let's get to this.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. It's still more of we're in that area of Bears recovery and Bears letdown still because it was such an exciting season.

[Dan Bernstein]

But.

[Matt Abola]

But yeah. Super Bowl 60 we coming up on what is. What's the date? I don't even know what the date is. February. Not even sure it's not this weekend because this weekend's the Pro bowl stuff where Shador Sanders has earned a spot on a Pro bowl roster. That's what the headline said at least. I wanted to ask you about Trey Hendrickson because I've seen his name come up a lot, different websites, various people on social media talking about the great fit that he's going to be for the Chicago Bears. Great place for him to land. So what I've seen contract wise, Dan is anywhere from like 2 years and 50 to 60 million for a Trey Hendrickson, which sounds about right. What do you think about Trey Hendrickson?

[Dan Bernstein]

The length of the deal is critical. I think also knowing that Dennis Allen knows him well and has built himself up a little bit of capital here, the fact that we're that Ben Johnson's in charge of the roster right now, there's no question about that, that Ben Johnson is the guy. But when it does come to defense, he has been pretty deferential to his defensive lieutenant. And my guess is if on a short term deal, I don't want to go too long for an aging pass rusher, but I'm not going to certainly not going to say no if he's healthy.

[Matt Abola]

Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

And your medical people really matter here. But if he's healthy and they've got two more close to prime seasons.

[Matt Abola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't. I just, I. The Jared Allen thing just wasn't still in your brain? It's still in my brain. There's so many of these and I just, I. I tend to have too many bad memories and it may be unfair, it may not be equal that. There's just a negativity bias of the ones that didn't work when Julius Peppers did.

[Matt Abola]

Right. You know, because there was talk about bringing in Hendrickson last year, trying to trade for him where you would lose draft picks and he missed so much of the season with. With those back issues. So that would have really turned out poorly. Glad that didn't happen here. But if your medical staff gives him full clearance, says, yep, this guy is good to go.

[Dan Bernstein]

And if he's good to go, he's a top five or top seven pass.

[Matt Abola]

Rusher, edge rusher, which the Bears desperately need. And like a two year deal at 50 to 60 million. I'm good with that. I'm good with two years. As long as he gets that full clearance, which you said the medical people are very important here. You have to have that now. There can't be any doubt.

[Dan Bernstein]

Would I explore a Max Crosby trade and find out what the numbers are there? I think you have an obligation at the moment to keep everything on the table when it comes to edge rushing help for the Bears. I agreed a period paragraph. That is whether even with Odengbo coming back and Booker on the rise, Montez sweat is what he is. Regardless of what you paid him, regardless of what you envisioned. You have to now approach this thinking that sweat on a great line is a number two.

[Matt Abola]

Yes. That you still need to find a number one. You don't have a number one guy like you. You need a guy that you have to. That other teams have to significantly game plan for.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you can't get Micah Parsons, you can't get Aiden Hutchinson. Right. When you start talking about the next tier right now, this is, this is where you're operating.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, no, I agree with that. So medical people very important there and then. I've seen numbers on Nishan Wright, what he could potentially expect in free agency, anywhere from 12 to 16 million. I mean, he's gonna get starter money for sure. I just, I can't envision that being with the Bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope, no, no. That. I haven't seen enough to merit that. If somebody else wants to make that move, cool. I would love to have him back.

[Matt Abola]

Absolutely.

[Dan Bernstein]

I am not paying full retail department store retail quarterback starter money or like high.

[Matt Abola]

Like.

[Dan Bernstein]

What do you call. What. What's the economic term? What's. What's the marketing term? For the price that you pay at like a store's brand.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, like, like a wholesale price.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, no. I mean like when you go in to Zegna on Michigan Avenue. When you go shop at Prada.

[Matt Abola]

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I got you in Hollywood or wherever it is if you go. There's got to be a term for that.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, it's the inflated retail.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like the street. Yeah, Retail. Retail at their name store. That's what you'd be paying for Nishan, Right?

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. And I don't, I can't see the Bears doing that. Just can't see that.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. If he wants.

[Matt Abola]

And I need a God, I hope he gets the biggest contract possible and good luck to him and God bless him on it. Would love to see him back in the Bears uniform, but I just don't, I just don't think that's going to happen with a multi year contract at 12 to 16 million, which is where I keep seeing the ranges for, for, for Nishan Wright. You know, he didn't have any escalator clauses in his contract.

[Dan Bernstein]

How can that be?

[Matt Abola]

I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe he just didn't have the leverage.

[Matt Abola]

1.1 million was the deal. And like didn't, didn't get like a Pro bowl bonus or.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ouch.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, that's got to hurt.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ouch. I mean look, when you're a throw in on the end of the roster.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who's bounced around from team to team. Maybe that's just market rate.

[Matt Abola]

Gave you 1.1 million, a one year deal and, but like not even like a, I don't know, like a hundred thousand dollar bonus for making those. Because that'd be a lot of money.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why wouldn't a team just throw in like, yeah, you'll make the Pro bowl.

[Matt Abola]

You would think. Or give him that. Or the agent saying, you know, it's pretty standard to offer Pro bowl, you know, money if he, if he makes it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not for a special teams player, they might say, well, you might make the Pro Bowls as the special teamer.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. At least try.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who would see this coming.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, that sucks.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's too bad.

[Matt Abola]

But again, he'll get, he'll get paid here in the off season. We'll see how that all does play out. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Trey Hendrickson. Interesting name. I just, I got to know that this isn't Jared Allen Redux because remember how excited we got.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Here he comes. All these gaudy numbers and everything. He's going to mean and man, you know, and then you get that one. At that age, the injuries you don't heal quite as fast. The injuries start to add up a little bit. You just don't have the margin for error when, you know, something starts to, to go. A 31 year old NFL player.

[Matt Abola]

I was going to confirm that. He's 31.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. Real careful. Really careful with that because there's so much downside. But all right, if he wants out and you got an opportunity here, it's doctors and it's Dennis Allen.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. The doctors say, yep, he's good to go. I'm all for it. I'm all for it. You know, I was texting earlier with our guy, Patrick Finley from the Sun Times. Yeah, he's down in, in the, in the Senior bowl area.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, there's news coming out of there.

[Matt Abola]

Just checking.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't say the Senior bowl area. Now. He's got like red zone area.

[Matt Abola]

The Senior bowl area.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he's at the Senior Bowl.

[Matt Abola]

The Senior bowl area.

[Dan Bernstein]

It is not the Senior bowl area.

[Matt Abola]

Well, he's not in the Senior Bowl. If I keep at the area right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Now, if I keep hearing red zone area. Yeah, I'm going to throw up. I. It's the red zone. A zone is an area. It. Stop saying red zone area. It's like when you, you see a Taco Bell commercial and they talk about queso cheese or carne asada steak, grilled steak, steak, cheese, cheese. Red zone, area, red zone, zone, red area area.

[Matt Abola]

When we're done, meet me by the kitchen area so we can buy the kitchen area.

[Dan Bernstein]

People, by the way, stop throwing things in the sink back here that aren't supposed to go in a sink.

[Matt Abola]

Uh.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I've been cleaning up the kitchen lately. It's bothering me.

[Matt Abola]

The honeymoon's over.

[Dan Bernstein]

What?

[Matt Abola]

Uncle Dan's out now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I just.

[Matt Abola]

It's a night picking up food out of the sink.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't care at the other place. Yeah, because the other place was dirty.

[Matt Abola]

Okay. Do you care?

[Dan Bernstein]

It was always dirty.

[Matt Abola]

Well, there's the, there's the screen thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know.

[Matt Abola]

And people are meant to pull it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Out then and then dump it, but I empty. I'm the one who ends up emptying that out. I don't want Liz to do it all the time. Liz has enough of her plate. Liz is like the den mother. She's busy taking care of everything that everybody assumes gets done. Liz is doing well.

[Matt Abola]

That's what I mean. FM stations need, like a den mother. Well, you have FM talent.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's what happened. But that's what she, she's constantly like doing that and making sure everything works for everybody. And she never complains. We went to the Christmas party. She was. She was the one organizing the grab bags and the things. And of course, she can't even have a Christmas party because she's busy working. So occasionally, if the kitchen's messy, I clean it up. Because there's pride here in the way things look.

[Matt Abola]

Let me ask you this. Pick a department that you think is messing the sink up and not cleaning it. What department?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, it's Steve. It's tingle.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's gotta be.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, it's FM talent.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, absolutely.

[Matt Abola]

But you think it's talent?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, probably.

[Matt Abola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

The sales here is pretty cleaned up. They look pretty sharp.

[Matt Abola]

Well, it's kind of an older crowd.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I mean, but it's just. No, it's Sherman and Tingle probably is.

[Matt Abola]

Horowitz really brings the age of the sales group to a far end.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's why they brought in Horowitz. I think they needed it to, like, bring our. Our GPAs.

[Matt Abola]

We need to bring it over 70.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

There's.

[Dan Bernstein]

Something we had to do. No, it's not him. I'm not. I'm not blaming him.

[Matt Abola]

So it's not sales. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Clean the sink. Yeah. Okay. So what was I talking about?

[Matt Abola]

We were talking about the red zone area.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's the red zone.

[Matt Abola]

We were talking about the Senior Bowl. So there's news out of the Senior bowl. And I know this got you very excited.

[Dan Bernstein]

We have an official measurement for your guy now.

[Matt Abola]

I want on the douche meter.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, his brothers exploded the douche o meter. They brought in Roel and Javier, and I don't think they measured at the Senior Bowl. They should. It should be all three of them, like, standing side by side.

[Matt Abola]

They measured shoulders.

[Dan Bernstein]

So we should refresh the memory. Okay. We have a bet that you, Mr. Vanderbilt, believe that Diego Pavia, former Vandy QB.

[Matt Abola]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Will play. You think he will play a down?

[Matt Abola]

I said he'll take a snap in an NFL regular season game.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I said he would not. Ever.

[Matt Abola]

I said at least one.

[Dan Bernstein]

You said at least one snap. That would get him into the annals as having played. Not preseason. No regular season, regular season or playoffs.

[Matt Abola]

He'll get one regular season snap.

[Dan Bernstein]

NFL football?

[Matt Abola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I said he would not.

[Matt Abola]

Correct. That's our bet. What was the bet for steak dinner?

[Dan Bernstein]

Is it dinner? Okay, probably. Whatever it is you want, I'll take care of it. Diego Pavia has measured officially. He was listed at 6ft tall.

[Matt Abola]

Right. So he measured officially at 6. 2.

[Dan Bernstein]

He measured at 5, 9 and 7, 8. Oh, no. Which is almost cruel. Like, give it. Give him the extra digit. Give him five.

[Matt Abola]

Make him 510.

[Dan Bernstein]

Give him 510. Like somebody whoever's. Do they use lasers to do this or is there a guy who actually looks at it?

[Matt Abola]

I think they bring in the Ski Jump Federation to measure.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, that's a different measurement.

[Matt Abola]

Lasers.

[Dan Bernstein]

Different measurement.

[Matt Abola]

Groin lasers.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Then you're injecting things with hyaluronic acid. Ouch. But yeah, five, nine.

[Matt Abola]

So you're saying it's too short to box with God?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm saying. Yes, I am. I'm saying that's too short because we know that look. Bryce Young on the field looks like he's five, nine, Right?

[Matt Abola]

How tall is he?

[Dan Bernstein]

He's probably just under six feet. Okay, and you see what Kyler Murray looks like.

[Matt Abola]

What is. How tall was Ashton Genti? What is he, like, five?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think he's eight. I think he's five, eight and a half.

[Matt Abola]

Okay, so he's just under Diego Pavia, and he looks like. He looks like a child out there. Like between the offensive linemen. It's like. It's like there's a kid that they brought.

[Dan Bernstein]

How tall is Mononga? Isn't he five, eight?

[Matt Abola]

Is he five, eight, Is he? I thought it was a slightly taller than that, maybe. All right, so that's what it's going to look like. I'm telling you, though, there's going to be one guy, and all it takes is one. One guy to bring him in the camp as an undrafted free agent. And his heart and his hustle and his muscle will get him an opportunity on a roster. I'm telling you, it will.

[Dan Bernstein]

He will not play a snap.

[Matt Abola]

So here's what's going to happen. He's either going to get on a roster through his effort and his great attitude, or, Dan, he's going to have his jaw broken at whatever camp he goes to because he's gonna get punched in the face by some veteran or.

[Dan Bernstein]

Taped to a goalpost.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. And then his brothers will swoop in on a helicopter to save him. It'll land right in the middle of the practice field. Nope. Dune buggy jumps over the training facility.

[Dan Bernstein]

One of the super bouncy dune buggies with giant flags.

[Matt Abola]

Okay, you're probably right about that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Huge, bendy flags, giant dune buggy. Here come the Pav. Shirtless. They've got. They're wearing the plastic sunglasses with the.

[Matt Abola]

With the neon frames, little American flags on the side.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, not American flags. Like, just like one's like orange neon, the other's green neon or pink. They got those. No shirts.

[Matt Abola]

I mean, whenever I hear the name Shorts Diego Pavia, when I. When I see him playing that NFL snap, he's going to get.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Matt Abola]

I'm always going to remember the cash out opportunity I passed up on.

[Dan Bernstein]

There it is.

[Matt Abola]

It's going to haunt me forever. Five, nine. Okay, so my guy's five, nine and three quarters.

[Dan Bernstein]

Seven eighths.

[Matt Abola]

Seven eighths. Okay. All right, we'll take it. You know what, we don't want to be 510 anyway.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why not?

[Matt Abola]

Because it's cooler when he makes. What do you like NFL like Kevin.

[Dan Bernstein]

Durant or Kevin Garnett?

[Matt Abola]

Not wanting to be a seven footer, Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not a footer.

[Matt Abola]

Not me. Did you see what Andy Reid said about Matt Nagy?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Do I want to? Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

He was in an interview. This was great.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abola]

He said that Matt and I have a great relationship. Before the season even started here, I knew that he wanted an opportunity to have his own show. He's been a head coach. He was coach of the year. All the things I've said about him, I still feel about him. He deserves to have a head coaching job. If not, it gives him an opportunity to go out and do his thing. I mean, somebody is missing a gem here. That's how I feel. I would love to see him get picked up and going at the same time. We got back a gem. It has a chance to be a win win here when everything is said and done now.

[Dan Bernstein]

But we should note his contract has expired.

[Matt Abola]

His contract was expired. So it was a soft firing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abola]

They didn't want him back.

[Dan Bernstein]

They pushed him away from the nest. Yeah, is what this sounds like. This sounds like the mama bird saying, like time to fly on your own. I'm not bringing you back mouthfuls of worms. Or if Andy Reid is regurgitating his own food and feeding it to the wide open begging mouth of Matt Neggy. You better like onion cheeseburger.

[Matt Abola]

So a lot of them. And four foot hoagies. So if you feel this way about.

[Dan Bernstein]

Matt Nagy, the entire four foot hoagie.

[Matt Abola]

Comes out at one time, still in perfect form. He just stores it in his belly. If you feel this way about Matt Nagy, hire him. Don't you just keep him on your staff then.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, somebody's gonna get a good one here, by gum.

[Matt Abola]

But here's what. I love this though. If so, he deserves a head coaching job. If not, it gives him an Opportunity to go out and do his thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's his thing? Right. What is he. What does he have a thing?

[Matt Abola]

I don't know. But if you don't get a coaching job, then what are you gonna go do?

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe he's. Maybe he's a folk singer. What's his thing? Yeah, maybe he's a folk singer with like the. The harmonica holder thing.

[Matt Abola]

Acoustic.

[Dan Bernstein]

Acoustic guitar.

[Matt Abola]

Do it all at once.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like a one man band, acoustic guitar, harmonica thing.

[Matt Abola]

Got like cymbals attached to his knees.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know about him going that far, but maybe I like to think.

[Matt Abola]

Of him as a performer with a ventriloquist dummy, and the dummy is Andy Reid.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that's what caused the tension.

[Matt Abola]

That's what he has.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's what caused the rift.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, but the dummy doesn't talk. It just eats. And so that's the show that Matt puts on. Just feeds him burgers and hoagies.

[Dan Bernstein]

But he can go do his thing.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. I thought that was weird. If so, he deserves a head coaching job. If not, it gives him an opportunity to go out and do his thing. So if he doesn't get a job, that's his thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

His thing is the job. And maybe it's not. Maybe he wants to be the cool youth pastor.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, God.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wouldn't that be good for him?

[Matt Abola]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know what he did before he sold real estate?

[Matt Abola]

Matt Nagy did?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I didn't know that that was his thing. Look it up.

[Matt Abola]

Before coaching.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abola]

That's quite the transition.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was in the Arena League. He was playing, I think, for Columbus in the Arena League and something. One of those teams.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, like as a player. He was selling real estate on the side.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know, maybe off season, like supplementing his income or. He was an assistant or one of the low paid, limited income assistant coaches of some kind.

[Matt Abola]

When I was in the Arena League, I used to sell speakers out of my trunk at gas stations. People would pull up and I'd be like, you want some speakers? I got speakers right here in my trunk. I remember when you were in the Arena League. Remember when I was doing that?

[Dan Bernstein]

Did you also work that glory hole in the airport bathroom for a while? Oh, no, that was. Wasn't me.

[Matt Abola]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's right. I get confused.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, right.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was a future senator.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. No, I sold.

[Dan Bernstein]

We only found that out later.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, I sold speakers.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Hey, you want to buy some speakers?

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

No, you. You kept telling me to sell socks, too. Like get socks in the mix.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I'll buy them. Interesting. That. That is. If somebody comes up to me on. On an exit ramp and offers me socks, there's a good chance I'm buying. There's a really good. I'm like, you know, I. Yeah, I had them for a while, too, when my wife isn't throwing them out without my knowing.

[Matt Abola]

So at the same time, so many pairs of socks, we got back a gem. And of course, in Eric B. Enemy, it has a chance to be a win win here. So if Matt Nagy doesn't get a job anywhere to do his thing, how's that a win for Matt Nagy?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's probably not.

[Matt Abola]

And you can't really think that highly of him if you had an opening and didn't want to bring him back.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe he's just sending a message. Maybe this is like an intervention. Maybe Andre is like, hey, you know, reevaluate where you are right now. Go do this on your own and be hired for who you are and what you do. Or else that great American novel that you've been thinking about and taking notes on, the screenplay you've been wanting to write, what's still open?

[Matt Abola]

The Raiders. Cardinals. Raiders. Cardinals.

[Dan Bernstein]

Raiders. Browns.

[Matt Abola]

Telling you he should just go to the Browns and tell them that he helped developed Joe Montana.

[Dan Bernstein]

I still can't believe that. Meanwhile, the Bills hired Joe Brady.

[Matt Abola]

So he was their oc, Right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

So they promoted Joe Brady and he's gotten interviews.

[Dan Bernstein]

I can't believe he's only 36.

[Matt Abola]

So he. So, okay, so they promoted Joe Brady from oc. They. They interviewed Philip Rivers. They interviewed Grant Udinsky from the Jaguars. He was the Jaguars OC.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Am I crazy?

[Matt Abola]

Fans wanted Sean McDermott back.

[Dan Bernstein]

Am I crazy? Or are a lot of these names like, a cycle too early? The fact that Declan Doyle, who was brought in as, like, a starter. Oc who's not really the oc. He's getting interviews for OC Already.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. So he. So he pulled out of the Eagles job, and the Ravens wanted to talk to him. The Ravens hired Jesse Minter as their.

[Dan Bernstein]

Head coach, which is a defensive guy.

[Matt Abola]

Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

So if you go to the Ravens.

[Matt Abola]

You'Re assisting the offense.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're running the NFL offense for real. Real.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. Is it? Is it? I'm glad you mentioned that, too, because I wanted to bring this up. I keep forgetting, but the number of defensive guys being hired.

[Dan Bernstein]

Pendulum.

[Matt Abola]

Okay?

[Dan Bernstein]

Pendulum. It's. That's just. For now. It'll. Somebody's going to write a think piece about it and say, well, this is what's happening now? The NFL is going back to these defensive minded tone setter tough guys. It still comes down to the offense. Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

No, it also comes down to the up. Especially if you have a young quarterback, an unproven young quarterback or a questionable young quarterback like a tua. And I mean don't you want a guy to like, you know, you bring in Jeff Halfley who's a defensive God.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's another thing.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

You got Robert Sala there. He's in Tennessee. Tennessee.

[Matt Abola]

So he's with. He's with Cam Ward who's a defensive guy. I just like how does that develop your quarterback? It just. Hadn't you seen enough? So the Ben Johnson did to Caleb.

[Dan Bernstein]

Williams and the name that is now filtering out regarding Cam Ward working with him is Brian Dabel as the OC there. So who knows? Who knows? It just that the whole process now when. When the bottom quarter of teams and some above that, when a quarter of teams are turning everything over every year, it does seem a little sped up to me. It does seem like a lot of these guys at the next level, guys you never heard of or kids that are. That have been in a role for a year without ever having any real responsibility. That was the Matt Nege mistake.

[Matt Abola]

Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Also a band that was great in the 60s.

[Matt Abola]

The Matt Nagy mistake.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. That when he was a quarterback's coach and then gave had these intermittent chances to maybe call plays for a half or call plays for a game, preseason play calling and all that. You know, that's where people are doing it again. If you start grabbing these guys from successful staffs, go ahead and do it. But the variance, the. You're throwing darts at something here blindly. I was hires.

[Matt Abola]

I was surprised that Doyle got now a second. Second interview, second team. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

We don't even know what he did right. He was good talk, great talker, great talker. Honest. Really, really good answer of good questions. I love that. That's something they usually end up gets coached out of you after a while. But some of this theme. If you're already going for Liam Cohen's coordinator in Jacksonville, it's like all you need is one decent year and all of a sudden you're a commodity. That's how those guys, a lot of those guys end up fired because they don't know what they're doing. That's Nathaniel Hackett, isn't it? Where you hire a guy. Here's Nathaniel Hackett, he knows these offenses, he knows what to do. And maybe Aaron Rodgers will like him. The whole thing and it's like, can he coach? Oh, no. He's absolutely no idea what he's doing. We have to get rid of him first. We have to bring in somebody to actually coach the team, and then we have to fire this guy like that. There's going to be more Nathaniel Hacketts in here.

[Matt Abola]

Right. Wasn't Sean McDermott was a defensive guy, Wasn't he?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think so.

[Matt Abola]

Defensive guy. That and their issues have always been defensively. So you didn't really address that by promoting Brady. Who knows? Who knows who the defensive guy will be? I don't know if they retain. I don't even know who the defensive coordinator is, if he's still there.

[Dan Bernstein]

But that's good. With all these defensive guys, if you bring in somebody who is able to run your offense, they're going to become a head coach. I think the overall process will continue. And should, I think, continue to value head coaches who are in charge of the offense. We'll see.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, I agree with that. Hey, I want to throw an idea at you, given what happened today on dbu. If you've missed dbu, you're not. Make sure you check out DBU from earlier today.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I never. I never miss it.

[Matt Abola]

You don't. You can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I like it.

[Matt Abola]

Do you want to do. Would you be open to a segment called at the Movies with Matt where I see a movie and then spoil it before people see it or.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, like you did.

[Matt Abola]

Well, I edited that out.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, you didn't.

[Matt Abola]

I don't. I 100% did.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, you didn't.

[Matt Abola]

Like kids lives. I did.

[Dan Bernstein]

You actually did.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, I ruined the movie.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, now I'm not going to see it.

[Matt Abola]

Well, I'm not concerned about you. I'm concerned about the listener.

[Dan Bernstein]

Thanks. You can't edit it out of my head.

[Matt Abola]

Well, you can still see it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't.

[Matt Abola]

I didn't really ruin the movie for you. But you want to do that where I see a movie and then I spoil it for everyone in my review.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think be very popular.

[Matt Abola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think. I think eventually people say, hey, you know, I can't miss this.

[Matt Abola]

It'll save people time and money, though. They wanted to see the movie.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's. Yeah. You can just give a rough synopsis of the important parts of a movie. Yeah. Just what people want.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. All right. Well, let's think about that.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. Take that under advisement. I like.

[Matt Abola]

And as we continue on forward progress throughout the. The offseason here, we mentioned over the next week or so, though, we'll we'll get back in the swing of getting some guests on in advance of the super bowl and talking all the super bowl stuff. So we'll. We'll get more down into the nitty gritty of it. I think this has just been a nice little opportunity to take a. Take a little breath.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm also waiting to see who the Eagles hire as offensive coordinator.

[Matt Abola]

It seems like no one wants the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Job, but wouldn't that be the ultimate challenge? Wouldn't that. You've got so much skill there.

[Matt Abola]

No, you're. You're right, though, Dan. And the thing that. That would scare me away from it is all the drama that took place.

[Dan Bernstein]

But that's the thing. If you can get those guys on the same page.

[Matt Abola]

Right. And the head coach has not been able to yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

And the head coach, now, you're going.

[Matt Abola]

To work for that guy, but you're going to work for that guy who hasn't been able to control the drama within the team. So, yeah, I mean, you would think it would been a prime spot to land. You're talking about the current Super bowl champions, DeVontae Smith. I mean, they're the reigning Trams and Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley and that offensive line. Yeah, I mean, you would feel, I.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don'T want to take that job.

[Matt Abola]

Right. If you're an offensive guy looking for your shot, maybe Matt Nagy there can go there and do his thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just want to know what his thing is. What is Matt Nagy's thing?

[Matt Abola]

I just. Man, that was not a great endorsement from Andy Reid.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, you know, it's a win win because he can go somewhere and do his thing.

[Matt Abola]

We got a guy back we wanted.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's really been into scrapbooking for a while.

[Matt Abola]

Scrabble.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's been drying out flowers and putting them into these scrapbook, playing Scrabble tournaments.

[Matt Abola]

And winning like crazy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Matt and Neggy. I don't know. I don't know. It's the way this has turned out where they're not offering him a new contract and saying all these nice things about him. And yet they're welcoming back. It would be one thing if they're making big changes, saying, we need a new voice in here. We need an outside perspective, somebody who hasn't been a part of what we do. We need fresh eyes, fresh opinions. And they bring Eric B. Enemy back. Like that was. That was. The guy was standing right next to him on the sideline forever.

[Matt Abola]

Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

So that guy comes back and you're.

[Matt Abola]

Going, it's gonna be a win win situation, though. Yeah. Unless you're unemployed, it's not much of a win.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, you do have a lot of free time.

[Matt Abola]

Good fish and scrap dry.

[Dan Bernstein]

I will say. I will say.

[Matt Abola]

I.

[Dan Bernstein]

Mine. Mine was actually quite pleasurable.

[Matt Abola]

Well, I mean, unlike you, though, Matt Nagy wasn't fired.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's true. But like you say, soft. Mine was not soft. Yes. Mine was the old. Hello, who's this person? That's hr.

[Matt Abola]

Wait, so, okay, then. Were you confused at all? Like, I'm not sure where this is headed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Matt Abola]

It was.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it was absolutely somebody I'd never seen before.

[Matt Abola]

You didn't get up and walk out of the room, be like, all right, I'll see you Monday. Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Somebody pops into the zoo, like, hi, this is so and so from the Human Resources Department. I'm like, oh, I'm fired. I got it. I know where this is going. Yeah. That was not a soft firing rig and say, go do my thing.

[Matt Abola]

No, not like, I don't. I don't understand what's happening here.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I don't get it. This is. This isn't clear to me. No, they actually, they. That's one thing they did really well.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, that was. There was clear. No uncertain terms there.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. When I got. I got laid off from. There was a restructuring in the sales department after a couple acquisitions. And so there was a few of us that were let go in sales. There was a group overall. And, you know, you don't get that warning. You don't have any idea. And it's just a call that. It's a regular call. You think you're going on. You've done dozens of times before. And the screen pops up and it's like, oh, there's the HR person there, too. That's.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is weird.

[Matt Abola]

Why is she on the call with us to talk about my projections for, you know, the sales year? It's interesting. Wonder what viewpoint she'll add on my sales projections for the year.

[Dan Bernstein]

She'll. She'll add the. Bring everything in your desk to the.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, Matt, if you notice, so and so is here as well. I did notice because I have eyes. I can see. Hi. Good to see you. What's going on? Well, we've decided to make some changes in sales. Okay, so who are we letting go? You want me to tell them? Is that why I'm here? You want me to be like the. Yeah. The middleman, kind of make it easy for them? No, no, no. You're one of the guys. Yeah, yeah. One of the guys that's going to spread the message. Right. I'm going to share it with people.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah. You want me to kind of be the liaison. New people, get them up to spe, Right?

[Matt Abola]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, then.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. But you know the good thing, though? At least they asked me to stay on. I stayed on for, like, six more weeks.

[Dan Bernstein]

What are you, Jim Hendry?

[Matt Abola]

Well, yeah, I got the. I got. I got. I was able to transition the people into. Yeah, no, I remember.

[Dan Bernstein]

Remember Jim Hendry's like, you're no longer employed by the Chicago Cubs except for another, like, month and a half.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Where you can sit around and make trades and stuff.

[Matt Abola]

That's what I got to do. So that was the fun part of it, too. Like, hey, we don't want you, but we don't want you to be gone just yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abola]

You didn't get that? No. No. You didn't get the.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Matt Abola]

You get three more weeks of shows?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Matt Abola]

I got.

[Dan Bernstein]

I got. You seem to like fishing. Well, go do more of it for the next few months or so. Okay.

[Matt Abola]

You know what?

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll take you up on that, because I have no choice.

[Matt Abola]

All right, well, here's an idea, then.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abola]

We're thinking of new segments for the shows or even new shows. What if we were to bring Matt Nagy in as an expert?

[Dan Bernstein]

Absolutely. Welcome.

[Matt Abola]

Maybe. Maybe that's his thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

312 sports.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, I'd love to get Matt Nagy on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sure.

[Matt Abola]

As an unpaid analyst.

[Dan Bernstein]

Try it.

[Matt Abola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Call him.

[Matt Abola]

Done.

[Dan Bernstein]

We already have one guy named Matt. We got another. There's plenty. Two names. Matt Miller. We have you. Matt Miller's done stuff for us. Oh, yeah.

[Matt Abola]

Me? Yeah, you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Matt Miller. I beat three mats. Yeah, I'm in. It's good.

[Matt Abola]

All right, we'll do it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sounds like a plan.

[Matt Abola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is that going to do it for forward progress today?

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, I think we're all good.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think we're good. I think so.

[Matt Abola]

I think we covered everything.

[Dan Bernstein]

Then we got to dive into the super bowl and everything else.

[Matt Abola]

I'm just not ready to do that yet. I'm still kind of next week.

[Dan Bernstein]

Still kind of unhappy about the Bears.

[Matt Abola]

Being out of it next week. Let's get through all the Pro bowl festivities because I'm really looking forward to that. And we'll. We'll have a full breakdown on Monday on forward progress of the Pro bowl stuff.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's the golf tournament this weekend? Now the PGA season has started, and Scotty Scheffler is already blowing by guys in the final. You see that young kid, that guy Blades Brown or whatever his name was, almost shot of 59, and he was the flavor of the week. And then Scotty Scheffler was like, okay.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, yeah, it's the Farmers Insurance Open Dump. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. They're Torrey Pines.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's your weekend.

[Matt Abola]

That's this weekend, right? The 29th.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's your weekend. Yeah.

[Matt Abola]

So. Yeah, watch that. Oh, did you see I was riding up in the elevator. I saw on the little monitor there that tennis player, Coco. Coco Golf.

[Dan Bernstein]

That Coco Loco.

[Matt Abola]

No. I love their chicken, though.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, do you remember when Terry called Lolo Jones Coco Loco? Remember that? Ah, you know, whatever. Coco Loco.

[Matt Abola]

Well, apparently she lost. She lost in a. In a match over the weekend. What's going on in tennis right now? You keep up on tennis?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Matt Abola]

Is it done? It's not the French Open right now. What are they doing? Australian Open.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is that a thing?

[Matt Abola]

Is that a tennis tournament?

[Dan Bernstein]

Major.

[Matt Abola]

Okay. Is that happening right now?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Matt Abola]

That may have been that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was I in charge of that? I'm not in charge of tennis.

[Matt Abola]

Oh, yeah, no, you have tennis, you have ski.

[Dan Bernstein]

I do not have tennis.

[Matt Abola]

Well, you have tennis. You have the winner Olympics. You have bulls, White Sox, golf.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, you watch golf.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. The Vatican.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, because that's right up here.

[Dan Bernstein]

In charge of that.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. You're in charge of the Catholic Church.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abola]

What else want to give you? Oh, synchronized swimming. You don't get all summer sports. All the summer Olympics.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abola]

You get the swimming stuff with water is all.

[Dan Bernstein]

You like canoeing?

[Matt Abola]

Yeah. And like rowing. Rowing.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I don't want any of that.

[Matt Abola]

Yeah, water polo.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's fun and stuff.

[Matt Abola]

With guns. You get the gun stuff, too, because you're a big Second Amendment guy. So that's you. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Big gun guy. You carrying now or.

[Matt Abola]

No, I'm not. Okay. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not. I do want to add, though, while we're talking about this bag of licorice, there were other. There were other measurements at the Senior Bowl. And congratulations for Diego Pavia. No. Greg Bovino. He measured at 4. 9. So congrats as he heads back into quote, unquote, retirement.

[Matt Abola]

So when did he transition from acting? Because he was in. He was in wizard of Oz.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abola]

Was he part of the Time Bandits lollipop game?

[Dan Bernstein]

He was in Time Bandits, I believe. Yes. Lollipop Guild. Yes, I think. Is that what it is? He's the third guild.

[Matt Abola]

Well, no, see, that's what it was. He wanted to make it the Lollipop Gang.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. He wanted the Lollipop Guild to go in and shoot Mexicans.

[Matt Abola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they said no, that we don't do that in Oz. But we're a gang, right? We're a guild, we're not a gang and we don't go in here and shoot people. So he was kicked off of that? Well, yeah, they got rid of him and now he goes back to California.

[Matt Abola]

So he's at the Senior Bowl? Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

They had to measure him.

[Matt Abola]

He's in the Senior bowl area. Interesting.

[Dan Bernstein]

That will do it for today's forward progress, nominally a Chicago Bears podcast on 312 sports forward progress has stopped. 10, 2 19. 2 19.

[Matt Abola]

Forward progress a Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matt Abola on 312 Sports.