The Greatest NFL Coaches of All-Time

Summary

Forward Progress – A Chicago Bears Podcast

Episode: The Greatest NFL Coaches of All-Time

Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Matt Abaticola
Date: July 16, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Matt delve into the always-debated subject of the greatest NFL coaches of all time, inspired by a new ranking from CBS. The discussion weaves through all-time legends, the Chicago Bears’ coaching legacy, and the new class of elite NFL coaches. Along the way, the hosts also engage with recent player rankings, highlight the Bears’ resurgence, and inject their signature blend of humor, insight, and fan frustration.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Top 10 Safeties Going into the 2026 Season (ESPN List)

[02:01 – 06:13]

• Dan and Matt go through the ESPN preseason list of the top 10 safeties.
• Bears safety Kobe Bryant earns an honorable mention, to the hosts’ satisfaction.
• Discussion centers on the evolution of the Bears’ secondary and the expectations on Dylan Thienaman.
• Notable Bears commentary: “Everyone’s just plugging [Thienaman] in there as the next star.” – Dan Bernstein (03:00)

Memorable Moment:

• “That’s why the Bears have Kobe Bryant.” – Dan (04:42)
• Matt announces: “The final safety getting an honorable mention... that is talking about the Chicago Bears safety, Kobe Bryant!” (05:20)

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2. Greatest NFL Coaches of All Time (CBS List)

[09:02 – 18:56]

• Dan introduces a CBS ranking of the top 20 NFL coaches ever, asking Matt to predict which Bears figure made the cut.
• Matt confidently selects George Halas as the only Bear likely on the list.
• The list reveals legendary names: Lombardi, Shula, Belichick, Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, Madden, and Hallas among them.
• George Halas lands at #6, with his immense legacy detailed and contextualized.
• Mike Ditka was NOT included, and the hosts agree with that omission.

Top 10 CBS Coaches & Notable Conversations:

• #10: Tom Landry
• #9: Joe Gibbs
• #8: Andy Reid (the only active coach in the top 10)
• #7: Chuck Noll
• #6: George Halas (Chicago Bears)
• #5: Don Shula
• #4: Paul Brown
• #3: Bill Walsh
• #2: Vince Lombardi
• #1: Bill Belichick

Notable Quotes:

• “The only one of these still plying his trade at the NFL level is Andy Reid.” – Dan (13:19)
• “George Halas... his impact on the NFL is reflected in the NFC championship trophy bearing his name.” – Dan (14:02)
• “Mike Ditka did not get a vote. Good. He shouldn’t.” – Matt (18:54–18:56)

Memorable Exchange:
Dan: “Who’s Steve Owen?” (18:57)
Matt: “Oh, he’s of the great Owen family.” (19:00)
[They both have a good laugh realizing they don’t know one of the old-school coaches.]

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3. Player Trivia & NFL Deep Cuts

[19:27 – 21:35]

• The hosts riff on lesser-known players after learning QB Will Grier quietly retired despite a hardly-noticed NFL career.
• Matt: “I have no idea… Did he get into a game?” Dan: “He did. He’s gotten into a game. I think he had like 20 some snaps maybe.” (20:30–20:37)
• More lighthearted banter follows around players whose impact was minimal, yet they made the notes.

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4. Bears Players with the Most at Stake in Training Camp (ESPN/Cronin Piece)

[24:40 – 27:27]

• Matt brings up Courtney Cronin’s ESPN feature analyzing Bears with the most at stake in 2026 training camp:

  • Braxton Jones
  • Tyrique Stevenson
  • Kyler Gordon
  • Dayo Odeyingbo
  • Rome Odunze

• Discussing which players truly are on the bubble, the hosts probe the team’s depth and expectations.

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5. NFL’s Best Running Back Duos (Sports Illustrated List)

[27:56 – 31:54]

• Dan quizzes Matt: Did the Bears’ DeAndre Swift–Kyle Monangai tandem make the top 5?
• The Bears land at #4
  • “Chicago ran its way to the NFC North title… behind Swift and Manungai. The former rushing for 1,087 yards, while the latter… 783.” – Dan (29:57)
• The duo’s standing reflects the optimism around Chicago’s improved offensive scheme.

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6. Top 10 NFL Coaches Entering the 2026 Season (PFF List)

[33:57 – 36:54]

• Matt introduces the Pro Football Focus ranking for top coaches right now—based on body of work, recent success, and play-calling.
• Notable names: Sean McVay #1, Andy Reid #2, Kyle Shanahan #3. Bears’ Ben Johnson not in the top 10 yet, and the hosts debate his place.
• Dan: “At this stage, I’ll take Ben Johnson [over Andy Reid].” (37:10)
• They speculate on whether Johnson or McVay, Shanahan, or Harbaugh would be their pick if building a team now.

Johnson vs. the Field:

• Dan, on Johnson: “I really am [high on him]. Because it might just be we’ve been so starved for a guy like that here.” (38:03–39:01)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On George Halas:
  “A pioneer on and off the field, Halas was the first coach to implement daily practice, the first to have assistant coaches stationed in the press box during games, and the first to place a tarp on the field… The Bears became the first team to publish a newspaper and to broadcast games on the radio.” – Dan (14:02)

• On Mike Ditka’s Exclusion:
  “Did Ditka get a vote? And he shouldn’t.” – Dan (17:44)

• On Ben Johnson’s Rising Star:
  “I guess I’m pretty high on Ben Johnson… We’ve been so starved for a guy like that here.” – Dan (39:01)

• Comic Relief on Obscure NFL Names:
  “Who’s Steve Owen?” — Dan
  “Oh, he’s of the great Owen family.” — Matt (19:00)

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------|------------------| | Top 10 NFL Safeties | 02:01 – 06:13 | | Greatest NFL Coaches of All Time | 09:02 – 18:56 | | Bears Players with Most at Stake | 24:40 – 27:27 | | NFL’s Best RB Duos | 27:56 – 31:54 | | Top 10 Coaches Entering 2026 (PFF) | 33:57 – 36:54 | | Johnson vs. Field/Late Banter | 36:54 – 40:44 |

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Tone & Style

• True to Forward Progress’ brand: irreverent, knowledgeable, and rooted in Chicago Bears devotion.
• Full of banter, quick asides, and deep-cut references, yet grounded in up-to-date analysis.
• Self-deprecating and honest about their fan bias, especially when defending the Bears’ latest coaching staff.

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Conclusion

This episode stands as a perfect primer for fans wanting to understand where Chicago fits into the grand tapestry of NFL coaching lore, how current and former greats measure up, and why the city’s hopes are so pinned on the Ben Johnson era. Listeners come away informed, entertained, and—if they root for Chicago—just a bit more hopeful.

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you're thinking forward progress.

[Matt Abaticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

You want forward progress? You have it here on 3one2 Sports. We talk Bears, we talk NFL and as we count down the days to the start of Bears training camp at Hallis hall, we are seeing all of these preseason rankings and lists and thoughts and things and we have some today that may catch you a bit by surprise, especially with some of names involved.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That coaches thing you have there, huh? I want to see that. I know you do. Let's keep it moving though with the ESPN by position their top 10. They're at the final position today and it is the top 10 safeties going into the NFL season. So I ask you the question, Dan. Is there a Chicago Bear on the top 10 safeties? Is there a Chicago Bear under the honorable mention category or is there a Chicago Bear who also received votes?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. To which part I'm gonna put Kobe Bryant in honorable mention.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay, let's see if you are correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think Dylan Thienaman is quite risen to that yet.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, he can based. Yeah. Going into the season. I don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know people love him. I. I know they do that. Everybody is. Everyone's just plugging him in there is the next star.

[Matt Abaticola]

Greatest draft pick ever by the Bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yup.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right, so here's the top 10 safeties according to ESPN going into the 2026 season. Number one, from the Baltimore Ravens, Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton.

[Dan Bernstein]

Reasonable, no objections.

[Matt Abaticola]

Number two, Derwin James, Jr. From the Los Angeles Chargers.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Still, now he's. How old is he now? Because he's got to be putting together quite a body of work. Doesn't say in here, 29 or 30.

[Matt Abaticola]

Already, Derwin James, the only player in the NFL to log at least 1,000 snaps at each safety, slot, corner and outside lineback. So, yeah, he's. How old is he?

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm checking right now. I just had to verify that I'm human, which I need to do every day. He's. He's almost 30. He is.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, yeah, he is almost 30.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's going to be 30 on August 3rd. So I start to wonder, are we talking about a, you know, a couple more years here? I don't know about hall of Fame, but he's keeping this up for a while.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. All right, so he's number two. Number three is Xavier McKinney from the Green Bay Packers. Number four, Brian Branch from the Lions. Number five, Jesse Bates III from the Falcons. Number six from Seattle, Nick Iman. Worry number.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's why the Bears have Kobe Bryant.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes. Number seven, Antoine Winfield Jr. From the Bucks. Number eight, Buddha Baker. Arizona Cardinals. Number nine, Kirby Joseph, also from the Lions. And number 10, Kalyn Bullock, the Houston Texans.

[Dan Bernstein]

What an anonymous position this is. Okay, now we see if I'm right.

[Matt Abaticola]

Honorable mentions, Jalen Petrie from the Houston Texans.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think. Is it Petrae Petri or Petra? Yeah, yeah. Peach tree. Not peach tree.

[Matt Abaticola]

Trayvon Morig from the Carolina Panthers. Xavier Watts from the Atlanta Falcons. Grant Delpit from the Cleveland Browns. And the final safety getting an honorable mention. I love him. He's a corner by trade, so he's has good feet and ball skills, but he likes to hit two. Now, that's from an NFL coordinator, and that is talking about the Chicago Bears safety, Kobe Bryant.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let's go.

[Matt Abaticola]

Also receiving votes, Minka Fitzpatrick, Jalen Ramsey, Kevin Byard, Brian Cook, Javon Holland, Quentin Lake, Imani Hooker, Jalen Thompson, Antonio Johnson.

[Dan Bernstein]

My hit rate on these has actually been pretty good.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, it's been pretty impressive. So we get a Chicago Bears safety who gets honorable mention credit in Kobe Bryant.

[Dan Bernstein]

Fair. Just about right. And with a chance now with a team investing in him and giving him starters, snaps and complete responsibility, I don't know if Ben Johnson. He knows he's there. I don't know if Ben Johnson knows who anybody is on the defense or cares, but to the extent that he does, I think he's got a good one. I think he may have two because even though I'm not a huge fan of White Safeties Dylan Theatre I've been told I have to amend my rules or suspend my my rules for the new Chicago Bear. And I will. You know, I think it's really important to be smart about managing your finances, and that's why I believe Monarch is the app that can help you in doing so. Monarch's like having a financial advisor in your pocket. It's a personal finance app and it tracks everything that can help you take care of your financial picture, accounts, investments, saving goals, and spending. Most apps only tell you what you've already spent. Monarch helps set up goals, map out big purchases, and see if you're actually on track before it's too late to adjust. There's an AI weekly recap. It flags spending spikes, net worth, shifts, and upcoming expenses. And you can ask the AI assistant anything about your finances. How much did I spend on travel last summer? Can I afford this vacation without touching my savings? Write your own money story with Monarch. Use the code [e-mail] to get your first year of Monarch Core half off at just 50 bucks. That's 50% off your first year at monarch.com with the code DBU.

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[Matt Abaticola]

All right, I want to. I want to hear this. This coaches list that you have because I saw one from. Pff.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

Their top 10 coaches. I'm curious to hear what CBS. CBS top 10 coaches.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not top 10 coaches. Oh, it's the greatest coaches of all time.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

So this is very different the greatest coaches of all time. So I will ask you, they ranked 20 coaches. Where are any and every names affiliated with connected to part of the Chicago Bears?

[Matt Abaticola]

I think that I'm going to say there's only one name associated in the top 20 with the Chicago Bears and that is George Hallis.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, final answer.

[Matt Abaticola]

Final answer. I do not believe that they put Mike DITKIN the top 20.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, you said final answer. Let's just see.

[Matt Abaticola]

I'm so nervous.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're going to start at number 20. Okay, the number 20, greatest coach of all time and a sanctimonious pain in the ass. Who finally is off of our televisions. Tony dungey. Okay, number 20. Number 19. Bud Grant.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay, Minnesota.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct. Number 18. The man in the hat. Weeb Eubank.

[Matt Abaticola]

Weeb Eubank.

[Dan Bernstein]

Weeb Eubank is the man that coached the 1968 Super bowl champion New York Jets. That man wore a fedora pulled tightly over his eyebrows and he had a green jacket and a green tie. That is Weeb eubank. Okay, number 17 and one of my favorites, Hank Stram. All right, 28 strap Hank Stram, who was a ubiquitous presence at score super bowl remotes. And we would just watch his glasses get thicker and thicker and thicker and take note of it every time as the appearance of his eyes would be smaller and smaller and smaller. Each year we saw him. Number 16 in a Chicagoan, Mike Shanahan. Okay, number 15, Guy Chamberlain. The most successful player coach in NFL history. All right. Nine year playing career coincided with his legendary six year coaching career. He won six championships, including four NFL titles. In 1919, the year before the NFL was founded, Chamberlain teamed with Jim Thorpe to lead the Canton Bulldogs to a 901 record in 1921. Kills you. In 1921, Chamberlain won his first NFL title while playing for George Hallis on the Chicago stales. Okay, number 14 is Jimmy Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number 13 is Bill Parcells.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay. Had that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number 12, John Madden. His 759 winning percentage the highest in NFL history among coaches for the least seven seasons. Number 11, Curly Lambeau.

[Matt Abaticola]

Who did he coach?

[Dan Bernstein]

Player coach. When the packers won their first NFL title. He then coached the packers to two more championships. Green Bay the first team to win three consecutive titles.

[Matt Abaticola]

What an odd coincidence that the stadium is named.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know Lambeau as well. Amazing how that works.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number 10. A man who wore his fedora better than we. Bubank War.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, I know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. From the Dallas Cowboys, Tom Landry.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number nine. Okay. Joe Gibbs.

[Matt Abaticola]

Couple Super Bowls.

[Dan Bernstein]

Three Super Bowls. With three different quarterbacks. He also won two Super Bowls during strike shortened seasons, which is an interesting piece of trivia. Number eight. And the only one of these still plying his trade at the NFL level is Andy Reid. Is Andy Reid. Andy Reid is number one eight. Number seven, Chuck Noel.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number six, George Hallis.

[Matt Abaticola]

George Hallis.

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[Dan Bernstein]

The Bears.

[Matt Abaticola]

Not top five. So I'm.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, there's. There's a picture of Ditka there with Hallis, and it just says future Bears coach Mike Ditka helped hallis win his sixth and final title in 1963. The Bears founder and longtime owner, Hallis also played for the Bears. He was a player coach when the franchise captured its first NFL title in 1921. His impact on the NFL is reflected in the NFC championship trophy bearing his name. His initials have appeared on the left sleeve of the Bears jersey since 1984, one year after his passing. And then it just goes through all of his various records and accomplishments. A pioneer on and off the field, Halas was the first coach to implement daily practice, the first to have assistant coaches stationed in the press box during games, and the first to place a tarp on the field. Under Hallis, the Bears became the first team to publish a newspaper and to broadcast games on the radio. One of Hallis's last great moments with the Bears took place in 1982, a year before his death. After deciding to fire the team's coach, Hallis received a letter from Alan Page on behalf of the Chicago Bears defense, asking him to retain defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan. Hallis did, and in 1985, Ryan was carried off the field after his defense dominated the Patriots in Super bowl xx. Number five, Don Shula.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number four, Paul Brown. Paul Brown.

[Matt Abaticola]

Cleveland. Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct. Very good. Number three, Bill Walsh. Okay, any guesses as to two and one?

[Matt Abaticola]

Well, two and one. Belichick.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, and

[Matt Abaticola]

Belichick and. Who am I. Who am I missing here?

[Dan Bernstein]

You're gonna piss some people off, boy.

[Matt Abaticola]

Am I? Really?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abaticola]

What kind of people. Who am I gonna make angry?

[Dan Bernstein]

People who are dealing with a lot of Canadian smoke at the moment.

[Matt Abaticola]

Canadian smoke at the moment. Bill Belichick and. Oh, Canadian.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Canadian smoke is coming south and it is.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, I know who it is. Yeah. Chicago guy, isn't he?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think so.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, he's not. Who is it?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's Vince Lombardi at number two.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, Vince Lombardi, that's right. He coached the.

[Dan Bernstein]

The Packers.

[Matt Abaticola]

The packers, yeah, that's right. Okay, let me Jot that down. Yep. And number one. L, A, M. No.

[Dan Bernstein]

L, O, M. L, O, M. B, A, R, B, E, R, T, A, A, R, D, I. It's at Liberty Lombardi. His name is on the super bowl trophy.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, good for him. How do you. That's good. How do you get that?

[Dan Bernstein]

He knew people.

[Matt Abaticola]

Congratulations.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And number one, he is. He's not really that good at it anymore. In dating 20 years, he's become. He's become a. An old weirdo. But, hey, man, Bill Belichick is number one.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right. Yep. Job. Okay. Congratulations, Bill.

[Dan Bernstein]

Now the question is, did Ditka get a vote? And he shouldn't.

[Matt Abaticola]

He shouldn't be in the top 20.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no, I completely agree. He shouldn't. Let me see who else got votes. Mike Tomlin got a vote. Tom Flores.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. I would give Mike Tomlin a vote over Mike Ditka for sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tom Coughlin got a vote. Marv Levy.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. Marv Levy. That's. That's what I was thinking of. Marv Levy would have been a good one.

[Dan Bernstein]

Steve Owen. Bill Cower got a vote. George Seifert got a couple votes. Marty Schottenheimer, Sid Gilman. And those are all.

[Matt Abaticola]

All Marv Levy had to do was win one of those, and he'd have. He'd been.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah. But he. I think he deserves it kind of. Anyway.

[Matt Abaticola]

I think he does it with four in a row.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. It's weird.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. Marv should be in the top 20. Get rid of that Chamberlain guy. Who's that?

[Dan Bernstein]

You're all the old people we've never heard of.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abaticola]

It doesn't matter, because we view Banks can go fly a kite up to

[Dan Bernstein]

the highest height and send it soaring.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. Screwed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Mike Ditka did not get a vote.

[Matt Abaticola]

Good. He shouldn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who's Steve Owen?

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, he's of the great Owen family.

[Dan Bernstein]

Does that name ring a bell?

[Matt Abaticola]

Never.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wait, wait. Don Coriel got a vote, too?

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. Who is Steve? Oh, I never heard of Steve Owen before. An NFL coach I'm looking at.

[Dan Bernstein]

Steve Owen was an American professional football player and coach the coach the Giants for 24 seasons from 1930 to 1953. Oh, okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

Never heard of him. Never heard of him before. Never.

[Dan Bernstein]

I've covered football all my life, and

[Matt Abaticola]

I've never heard of the guy. All right, well, along those lines. Let me. Let me throw this at you, because there's a quarterback that retired from the NFL within this past week.

[Dan Bernstein]

There was.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes. If I were to say to you, will Greer. Gr I E R. Do you know Will Greer?

[Dan Bernstein]

West Virginia, right?

[Matt Abaticola]

I have no idea. I've never heard of Will Greer. Oh, I have, but I read that he retired from the Carolina.

[Dan Bernstein]

Will Greer. I believe he played for West Virginia.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was Connor McKnight's guy. He loved Will Greer.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay. I've. I've never heard of him before. And when I read the notes today that he retired.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I remember.

[Matt Abaticola]

I thought, okay, from where did he retire? And then I saw NFL and I thought, oh, okay. What did he do for the NFL? Was he. Yeah, you know, maybe like a cameraman. Did he. Was he part of production? He was a quarterback.

[Dan Bernstein]

Didn't he play?

[Matt Abaticola]

I have no idea.

[Dan Bernstein]

Did he get into a game?

[Matt Abaticola]

He did. He's gotten into a game. I think he had like 20 some snaps maybe.

[Dan Bernstein]

Speaking of which, how is your guy Diego Pavia? I need an update. I just need.

[Matt Abaticola]

He's still with the Ravens and he's not in jail, so we're doing good. Both things are positive.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let's play. Is there. But see, here's the thing. Do you also get Roel and Javier as far as the. Are they in jail?

[Matt Abaticola]

They're not in jail as well right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are you sure?

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes, I'm positive.

[Dan Bernstein]

At this very. Not in a holding cell, not just there overnight, unless it's happened in the last back of a paddy wagon.

[Matt Abaticola]

What was your favorite Will Greer moment? Because I have a list of 10 here.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's a list of 10 Will Greer moments. I. I can't say. I just. I just know my former partner was a big fan.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right, I'll just. I'll give you. Well, I'll give you two. And one, two was that he was signed to a team, and one, he retired, so I'll save the other eight. We don't need to get into those. Okay. I didn't know that he retired, though. I didn't know that he played in the NFL. I had never heard of him before, so.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well, I guess I beat you on that one.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, he did. Let me give you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can I just give you a quick update here on the ticket sales now for the Kevin Warren engagement tonight?

[Matt Abaticola]

I got so much stuff going on, I can't do it.

[Dan Bernstein]

And oddly enough, seats that were taken yesterday have opened up. I think they're messing around with these tickets. I think they're making it appear like it's more sold than it actually is because the ones that remain are all still in the very, very middle, but they've moved around some opened up since yesterday and some have been taken since yesterday. Also, I want to credit an alert listener who sent an email to point out that they've dropped the price significantly.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, they have that.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was 49, 50 initially.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

And now it's 3150. So they, they cut 20 bucks off the price for you because I, I think they were having trouble filling it out for tonight at the John and Nancy Hughes Theater. Students are still 1575. So that's like going to a movie for the price of a movie. You can go here. Kevin Warren tell you how great he is.

[Matt Abaticola]

So I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to make a bold prediction here, Dan, that tonight's event will be canceled due to the conditions of the weather.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, you're not going to want people coming out, especially it's bad up north.

[Matt Abaticola]

And yes, I think they're going to cancel it because of the weather.

[Dan Bernstein]

I disagree.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think they're going to have it, but I think they'll blame low attendance on the weather or they'll just open the doors and they'll just let people in and there will be like, you know, drifters sleeping.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not that there's a lot of drifters around Lake Forest.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, I wouldn't, I was gonna say, unless they're busing them in from somewhere.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, that would be awesome if they did.

[Matt Abaticola]

Maybe from Hammond.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think anybody's sort of wandering the streets of Lake Forest.

[Matt Abaticola]

Is there, is there a shuttle from Hammond going to this in Lake Forest?

[Dan Bernstein]

There better be because it's right here. I mean, it's like a five minute shuttle right from Lake Forest to Hammond.

[Matt Abaticola]

Right? Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

You absolutely should be running buses from, from the casinos or from the, the, the solidified human waste. Maybe they're busing in human waste just to give it that Hammond smell and feel.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, they got like those big tankers that they just let it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Or like I always wonder about this. You ever see the trucks that have the porta potties on them?

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And, and that job, that guy who's got the big suction device and he's got to go replace them and clean out the goo. Yeah, like that's a job that somebody's doing today. Somebody has that job where it's 95 degrees, the air is full of smoke and your job is to maintain transport. Clean and empty porta potties.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, good.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's a job, man.

[Matt Abaticola]

It is a job.

[Dan Bernstein]

Has to get done.

[Matt Abaticola]

Stinky. Today, though, Bears beat reporter Courtney Cronin for espn. She put out. Excuse me. A piece here on. On ESPN today about the five Chicago Bears players with the most at stake for training camp.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

So this is either to bounce back to get a job. They lost, maybe potentially losing a job. So here are the five players. Any guesses who the five players would be? I think you can get at least two of these, if not three.

[Dan Bernstein]

These are players on defense whose training camp is going to be important to keeping a job. Boy, there's.

[Matt Abaticola]

There's a lot. Just defense.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, it's any. It's all of training camp.

[Matt Abaticola]

Five players.

[Dan Bernstein]

Five players. Jobs on the line.

[Matt Abaticola]

The most at stake in training camp. Either keep a job, fight for a job back. Who do you think that would be?

[Dan Bernstein]

Braxton?

[Matt Abaticola]

I think you can get at least three of these. Jones is one of them. Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, let's go with. Gervon Dexter.

[Matt Abaticola]

No,

[Dan Bernstein]

I guess you don't really have anybody else you can put there. Tyreek Stevenson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Correct. That's two.

[Dan Bernstein]

Garrett Bradbury.

[Matt Abaticola]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay. I just thought that that's where they want somebody else to win that job. I don't know. Grady Jarrett.

[Matt Abaticola]

Nope. Here you go.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

Cornerback Kyler Gordon.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well, they're not going to replace him with Josh Blackwell.

[Matt Abaticola]

How do you know? Maybe. Maybe it's just about. Maybe it's about proving that he can be on the field for all of training camp.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

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[Dan Bernstein]

But he's.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

He's not.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like, there's nobody who's really ready to take that job from him.

[Matt Abaticola]

No, but if he's not there, he

[Dan Bernstein]

can't have that job. I agree with you.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's no question. If you can't, you can't play.

[Matt Abaticola]

And then the fifth would be next to. Dexter, as you mentioned, a Dio Odangbo.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Matt Abaticola]

He can prove after the contract and coming back from the injury, but again,

[Dan Bernstein]

to whom does he lose? Austin Booker's on the other side. I. I don't know there's anybody waiting in the wings to push Dio Odengbo. Unless it's the. The kid they use the seventh round pick on.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, but it just. If he doesn't have a year this year and contribute, then he's done with his time with the Chicago Bears. And then the fifth player is Roma Dunze.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good name.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, it is a good name.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that. I like that. That. That's a gutsy name to put on there. But it's absolutely true because he has

[Matt Abaticola]

to show that he can be the guy we saw at the start of the season coming back from the injury that it's not going to be an issue and that his new normal is still at a top 10 draft pick ability.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right after he said what he said about having to relearn his. His body or his foot, then I'll hold him to what he said and then we'll have to make sure that he can do that. I have a list, too. I come bearing one more.

[Matt Abaticola]

Do you really?

[Dan Bernstein]

I do.

[Matt Abaticola]

What do you have?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's. It's from whatever's left of Sports Illustrated. And I don't really know what Sports Illustrated is because this. It got taken over by private equity and then I think it's just some sort of brand.

[Matt Abaticola]

Digital, isn't it?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, but it's also. They also fired everybody and there's just kind of a name that floats out there.

[Matt Abaticola]

Well, I mean, they don't make a Magaz anymore, do they?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I don't think so.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And so what they ranked. This is Matt Verderami. Okay. Ranked the five best running back duos.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

The five best running back duos.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I like it. So do you think there is a Bears duo in the top five?

[Matt Abaticola]

Let me think through real fast.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not easy because you know a lot of the number ones and then you think, oh, yeah, they've got this guy. Oh, yeah, they've got that guy.

[Matt Abaticola]

I will say, given the performance last year of the Bears run offense, I will say that DeAndre Swift and Kyle Manungai were fifth on this list.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, let's see if you're right. Final answer?

[Matt Abaticola]

Final answer.

[Dan Bernstein]

Final answer. Number five, New England Patriots, Ramandre Stevenson and Travion Henderson. Okay, that definitely wins the number of syllables in a running back duo champion.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes, for sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ramandre Stevenson, six. Trevi Jan Henderson, six. That's 12 syllables of running backs.

[Matt Abaticola]

AV on Henderson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Trey V. John Henderson. One, two, three, four. Randre Stevenson. One, two, three, Four, five, six.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right, so I was wrong. They were not five.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct.

[Matt Abaticola]

I don't know if they're going to be higher than five.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number four.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Chicago Bears, DeAndre Swift and Kyle Manungai.

[Matt Abaticola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

With Ben Johnson as the team's coach, the Bears were expected to run the ball effectively after watching him scheme up Jir Gibbs and David Montgomery in Detroit. As it turns out, the those expectations were correct. Chicago ran its way to the NFC north title with an 11 and 6 record behind Swift and Manungai. The former rushing for 1,087 yards, while the latter, a seventh round rookie, picked up 783 no back who ranked second in rushing yards on his own team had more than manungai going into 2026. The Bears are hoping quarterback Caleb Williams becomes the first man in franchise history to throw for 4,000 yards. If he that'll open up the rushing lanes even more for Swift and Menungi as Johnson's scheme expands in his second campaign with Chicago. Number three, the Saints, Travis Etienne Jr. And Alvin Kamara.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay, yeah, Kamara just redid his.

[Dan Bernstein]

I saw that. Number two the Steelers Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren. This off season the Steelers lost Kenneth Gainwell as one of your guys, but they gained Dowdle coming off a thousand yard season in his only year with the Panthers. The newcomer will join Warren, who's become one of the most underrated backs in the league and number one your LA Rams, Kyron Williams and Blake Corum in the main role. The Rams have a superstar In Williams, just one of two backs to rush for at least 1100 yard 10 touchdowns in each to the past three season along with Derrick Henry and Coram had 746 yards on 5.1 yards per carry. With a 59.3% success rate as a 25 year old, he should see his role only grow. There you have it. You were I give you a lot of credit. You said five. The Bears were number four.

[Matt Abaticola]

They were number four.

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[Matt Abaticola]

All right, last one then for you, because I thought you had the same. Same type of list, but these are the top 10 coaches from PFF going into the season. It's a mixture of a collective body of work, success over the last few years and play calling abilities.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, there's 10.

[Matt Abaticola]

There's 10.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm coaches. I'm going to have Ben Johnson at. I'm going to say three.

[Matt Abaticola]

Ben Johnson at three. All right, let's start with ten. Number ten is Jim Harbaugh of the LA Chargers. Number nine, Mike Vrabel of the variable Rossini connection.

[Dan Bernstein]

There you go. Now you can put Diana Rossini in the thumbnail

[Matt Abaticola]

because I mentioned it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, you mentioned her. There you go. There you go. There's double the views.

[Matt Abaticola]

Number eight, Sean Payton. Number seven, D'. Amico. Ryan's. Number six, Matt LaFleur. Number five, Dan Campbell. Number four, Mike McDonald of the Seattle Seahawks.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm right. It's either. It's either three or two.

[Matt Abaticola]

Number three, Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's number two.

[Matt Abaticola]

Number two, Andy Reid of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, he's not it. What?

[Matt Abaticola]

Number one, Sean McVeigh of the LA.

[Jenny V]

Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

So that's got to be a penalty for body of work.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes, it has to be.

[Dan Bernstein]

It has to be.

[Matt Abaticola]

For having only done it one year.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Then they're not including. But they said play calling. They're not including. Then his obviously successful play calling.

[Matt Abaticola]

As an oc.

[Dan Bernstein]

As an oc.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. So it was the, the limited body of work.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Matt Abaticola]

And also I think the fact of the number of victories coming from behind and the theatrics and heroics from Caleb Williams was also a negative to Ben Johnson, I would bet.

[Dan Bernstein]

How could that.

[Jenny V]

That.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because that's not something.

[Matt Abaticola]

Because that's not something you can duplicate. You can't recreate that.

[Dan Bernstein]

You don't know that. And it also. It also may be something where Ben Johnson gives him the confidence and the freedom to do those things, and it's because of that relationship that allows him to flourish.

[Matt Abaticola]

So that's interesting. I. You went really high on it, and I. I was surprised to not see his name in 8, 9, 10, but to not be out there at all. Yeah, that was. But yeah, it's. It's definitely is. You know, this is just a one year body of work to even examine as a head coach.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that is that. I think that was my fault for taking a victory lap because I was. I was doing well in these lists.

[Matt Abaticola]

Okay, so let me ask you this then.

[Jenny V]

These.

[Matt Abaticola]

These 10 coaches here. Ben Johnson or so Ben Johnson or Sean McVeigh?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think I'd probably take McVeigh.

[Matt Abaticola]

Ben Johnson or Andy Reid

[Dan Bernstein]

at this stage. I'll take Ben Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Ben Johnson or Kyle Shanahan?

[Dan Bernstein]

That's a coin flip for me.

[Matt Abaticola]

Johnson or McDonald?

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Johnson or Campbell?

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Johnson or LaFleur?

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Ryan's.

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Miko.

[Jenny V]

Ryan's. Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

Sean Payton or Ben Johnson?

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Mike Rabel or Ben Johnson?

[Dan Bernstein]

Johnson.

[Jenny V]

Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Jim Harbaugh or Ben Johnson? Oh,

[Dan Bernstein]

because I would just love to have. Just to have all the wall. The Jim Harbaugh is.

[Matt Abaticola]

Because I would have loved it if the Bears hired him two years ago.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know, I know. What the hell? I'm gonna.

[Matt Abaticola]

I'm gonna.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm gonna take Ben Johnson. I'll. I'm gonna come off sounding like a real homer here, but I don't think we've seen the best of him.

[Matt Abaticola]

So it was just Sean McVeigh. You would definitely take over. And then Shanahan was a coin flip. Yep. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is that crazy?

[Matt Abaticola]

No, I don't think it's crazy at all.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

No, I don't. I don't think. I mean, I would take him over. I just. You know, I love Jim Harbaugh, so I'm gonna know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I do too, because I know he's

[Matt Abaticola]

daft, but I take him over Rabel. I would take him over Peyton. Peyton's. Peyton's a. That's a. That's a tough one there, actually. Definitely over, so Definitely over. Variable. Ryan's, LaFleur, Campbell, McDonald. Those are definites for me. McVeigh, Shanahan, Peyton. Harbaugh would be tough ones to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, when I have to, you know, forced to make those decisions. I guess I'm pretty high on Ben Johnson.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yes, you are.

[Dan Bernstein]

I really am. I really am. Because it might just be. We've been so starved for a guy like that here.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah. And.

[Dan Bernstein]

And the letdown from Nege still living

[Matt Abaticola]

in the shadows of the Matt Eberflu's era.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, there are. No, there's no shadows that, that.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, there's. It's like a. No, it's like a. It's like that rash that comes up every once in a while.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it's.

[Matt Abaticola]

It's like, it's like cream to get rid of it.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's like the soil in Hammond, you just gotta backfill it. You gotta just let it, you know, let the half life of all the toxicity kind of diminish. The, the negativity and the, the negative pull it has on the organization. If.

[Matt Abaticola]

Well, that's what the bears are waiting for. And then once that all washes away, within the next 60 years, they can commit to Indiana.

[Dan Bernstein]

The Matt Eberflu's legacy is going to be Soldier Field grass. It's going to be the change over to the Bermuda grass. Just like Fox's legacy was the, the extra practice fields at Hallis Hall.

[Matt Abaticola]

I wonder if any dispensary has come up with something and named it Soldier Field Grass. You know what?

[Dan Bernstein]

I can't keep track of the damn strain names. It's too hard. There's, there's, there's too many. There's too many. They combine everything and it's all confusing.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know. Everything is like strawberry this and then it's this that was crossed with this and it's green Kush number two and northern lights and all these and I don't know the damn difference.

[Matt Abaticola]

Someone needs to make Soldier Field Grass.

[Dan Bernstein]

Soldier Field grass. Yeah, but what's the effect? You know, how much. What's the balance? Is it indica or sativa? Does it have all the cannabinoids or just thc?

[Matt Abaticola]

Makes you take your shirt off and yell and scream.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is there cbd? Does it. Does it make you put a cheese grater hat on your head?

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, by the way, in case you ask, yesterday I did not fish.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, that's too bad because you can't

[Dan Bernstein]

today and I can't today. And yesterday I went. I did chores all afternoon and evening.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, did you finish your laundry?

[Dan Bernstein]

Not only that, I finished my laundry, folded my laundry, put it all away. I Folded all of Beth's laundry and put it away. I took all of the. Zoe had cleaned out her room and had all of these, like, garbage bags and donation stuff that was sitting outside her room. I took all of that down, put that where it was supposed to go. I wiped down the counters. I. Beth had left the ironing board that was up because she had to run out to a business thing, had to iron something. I put the iron and the ironing board away. I did every dish. I rearranged the dishwasher to make sure other things fit. All the dishes in the sink. I hand washed. I did everything. I also. I broke down some boxes and put them in the recycling. I took stuff out in the back. I even took the time. I went through all of my fishing gear and restrung some of the reels. I put some new line on some of the reels. I. It was just. I could not. I was in a frenzy of, like, fixing up stuff.

[Matt Abaticola]

You had to be exhausted.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, but that's what I mean.

[Matt Abaticola]

Like a Calgon bath at the end of the day.

[Dan Bernstein]

Calgon, take me away. But I don't know, I just. I decided to do it and kind of ritualize it, and it was very cathartic.

[Matt Abaticola]

Well, good. Good for you. I'm glad you did that. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And if you now ask me, do

[Matt Abaticola]

I want a medal? Yes, you want them.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, I do. I want. I want a medal. I want a giant trophy. Not like the World Cup.

[Matt Abaticola]

I want to. Well, I'm sure. I'm sure your family was very appreciative, and they weren't. Thank you.

[Dan Bernstein]

They weren't.

[Matt Abaticola]

They commented in all the work.

[Dan Bernstein]

They wouldn't. Didn't say anything. That's too bad.

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[Dan Bernstein]

Beth said, thank you for. For taking care of my laundry, but all of the. All of Zoe's garbage, all that stuff. Nothing. And I. I said this morning, I said, hey, by the way, all that stuff outside your room disappeared, didn't it? She said, oh, I didn't know. She said, I didn't notice. I said, you didn't notice that six garbage bags full of stuff are gone? No, I didn't notice.

[Matt Abaticola]

Look at you, looking for a compliment or.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then. And then Jason said, do you want to. Do you want a trophy?

[Matt Abaticola]

Like.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. I said. I said, I don't. You know what I want? What want? I. I told him, I said, I want a big turnover chain. I want a. I want a fat gold rope with a big old, like, dollar sign with lights on it. Yeah.

[Matt Abaticola]

Is that what you really really want, Dan. Tell me what you want. What you really, really want.

[Dan Bernstein]

What I want? I, I, I, Yes. Wait. They kept. They loved showing her, by the way. You see, they, they kept showing the Beckhams at the, during the, during the game yesterday.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Showing him a lot. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Celebrating.

[Matt Abaticola]

And then

[Dan Bernstein]

he's like, oh, here, you want a goal? Here, take this. You're gonna go. Yeah. All this attention's on me. I'll just kick it over to you and you score. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. You score. That was, that, that was unbelievable. Unbelievable yesterday. But, yeah, that's what I, I want all the credit in the world for my family from doing all their damn work. Thanks for asking.

[Matt Abaticola]

It sounds like a good day. Good, productive day. I'm happy for you because you're gonna need something to do today because you can't go fishing. So maybe you should go see a movie.

[Dan Bernstein]

What if I can only go fishing for a little while?

[Matt Abaticola]

No, you don't be outside at all. Not, not at your advanced age. I would just stay, Stay indoors.

[Jenny V]

Okay.

[Matt Abaticola]

Stay cool. Maybe read a book.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. I got some books lying around. Okay. I think, I think reading's going away, but that's okay. We'll be the last people reading.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, I gotta get back in my, My Carl Hiason book, the Squeeze Me one. That's.

[Dan Bernstein]

I haven't read that one.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, it's good.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, they all follow the same basic structure.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yep. It's hard, though, because I got it from the library and it's. It's a hardcover and it's just. It's hard. It's hard to get into.

[Dan Bernstein]

Then go sit. Don't you have a hammock you can. Oh, no, it's not. You can't be outside.

[Matt Abaticola]

No. We have a nice gazebo, though, with some nice comfy chairs in it. But I don't. But it's not air conditioned, though, and it's hot.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hot. I don't want to sit outside. Yeah, it's too hot. Yeah, but the problem is then Frank sits on your lap and that's hot.

[Matt Abaticola]

Oh, no, he won't sit in my lap. I'm reading a book.

[Dan Bernstein]

I thought he always does.

[Matt Abaticola]

No, he avoids books.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Frank does, specifically.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, he doesn't want that learning stuff to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's gonna mess him up.

[Matt Abaticola]

Yeah, he's happy being dumb as a box of rocks.

[Dan Bernstein]

So he doesn't, he doesn't like advanced baseball statistics either. He's got a problem with the damn analytics.

[Matt Abaticola]

The home runs once. Once.

[Dan Bernstein]

The stolen bases yeah, he went. Even though pitchers are throwing 120 miles an hour, he wants to string together outcomes to produce runs. Brilliant, brilliant stuff from Frank, the baseball analyst.

[Matt Abaticola]

Thank you. I like it.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that is today's Forward Progress, a Chicago Bears and NFL podcast here on 312Sports. Progress is stopped.

[Matt Abaticola]

Forward Progress, a Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matt Abeticola on 312 Sports.

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