What will Caleb Williams achieve in year 3?

Summary

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Forward Progress – A Chicago Bears Podcast

Episode: What will Caleb Williams achieve in year 3?

Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Matt Abbatacola | Date: February 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode finds Dan Bernstein and Matt Abbatacola diving into the future outlook for Bears quarterback Caleb Williams as he approaches his third NFL season. Along the way, the pair touch on the Bears' stadium drama, early national season predictions, advanced rookie metrics, offseason draft strategies, and some classic Chicago sports banter (and hungry daydreaming about Chinese food). As always, the tone is a mix of analytical sharpness and lively, relatable back-and-forth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Portage, Indiana “Hallis Harbor” Stadium Proposal

[03:07–10:20]

• The hosts revisit the headline-grabbing proposal for the Bears to move to Portage, Indiana, supposedly with a $5 billion, taxpayer-free stadium complex backed by Lou Weisbach.
• Analytical critique: Both Dan and Matt are skeptical about the funding mechanism, which relies on borrowing against future event ticket sales.
  • Matt: “Isn’t that kind of a Ponzi scheme? ... Borrowing against the promise of future riches is usually something we’re taught to immediately run from.” [04:50]
  • Dan: “It just doesn't sound like a very secure, stable, or realistic way to generate $5 billion.” [05:07]
• Both agree the Bears aren’t likely to leave Illinois, dismissing the proposal as “a pipe dream.”

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2. National Media Hype: Early Predictions for Bears & Williams

[11:00–14:05]

• ESPN’s preseason predictions put the Bears—and especially Caleb Williams—front and center for 2026.
  • Matt Bowen predicts: Bears over Bills in Super Bowl 61: “With quarterback Caleb Williams's playmaking ability, the Bears will beat Josh Allen and Joe Brady’s Bills.” [11:44]
  • Dan Graziano picks: Williams as 2026 MVP: “Williams has the fourth quarter clutch gene ... he should have plenty of opportunities to showcase his abilities in a tough NFC North.” [12:03]
  • Field Yates (bold prediction): Williams will become All-Pro, citing improvement in completion percentage and offensive continuity. [13:12]
• The hosts view these with a mix of excitement and healthy skepticism.
  • Matt: “It’s fun to think about ... but this is the August panel of ESPN experts—they just want us talking about it.” [13:52]

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3. Quarterback Rankings: NFL.com’s 2026 Tiers

[15:22–22:31]

• Dan reviews Nick Shook’s ranking of every 2026 starting QB, focusing on the top 20 and the way he splits them into tiers.
  • Tier 1: Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, Drake Maye, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence.
  • Tier 2: Includes Sam Darnold, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Daniel Jones, Patrick Mahomes.
  • Tier 3: Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts, CJ Stroud.
• Discussion about the subjectivity of these rankings—the surprising placement of Daniel Jones and Patrick Mahomes stands out.
• Broader point about QB evaluation:
  • Matt: “In a lot of ways [Caleb Williams has] blown up the statistical models for quarterbacks because so much of what he does is not measurable…what we define now as great quarterbacking is inherently transcendent beyond the stats that we've been using.” [21:58]
  • Both agree advanced analytics and traditional stats may not fully capture Williams’s impact.

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4. Rookie Impact Metrics: Pro Football Network’s Rankings

[24:04–28:18]

• Dan introduces PFSN’s (Pro Football Network) “Impact Metrics” for 2025 rookies, with multiple Bears ranking highest at their positions:
  • QB: Jackson Dart (Giants)
  • RB: Kyle Monangai (Bears)
  • WR: Luther Burden III (Bears)
  • TE: Colston Loveland (Bears)
  • Interior OL: Tyler Booker (Cowboys)
  • DT: Mason Graham (Browns)
  • Edge: Abdul Carter (Giants)
  • LB: Carson Schlesinger (Browns)
  • CB: Marcus Harris (Titans)
  • S: Xavier Watts (Falcons)
• Matt on Burden: “With everything I see and hear—eye test and stats test—more, more, more of Luther Burden III.” [25:46]
• Commentary: The Bears’ 2025 draft class overall receives the highest rookie grade, which Dan and Matt credit to strong draft strategy and player development: “The importance of being able to do this again and run it back ... to get guys that are impactful.” [28:21]

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5. Offseason Strategy: Scouting Mid-to-Late Round Draft Gems

[29:00–34:31]

• Dan highlights two under-the-radar combine prospects he’s watching for Chicago:
  • Roman Hemby (Indiana RB): Mid-round prospect with explosiveness and good hands; needs work on pass protection.
    • Dan: “If a guy’s willing to learn …. that’s something you can teach.”
  • Malachi Lawrence (UCF EDGE): Athletic, high-motor Day 3 pass rusher.
• Matt expands: Success in the draft is often about a team’s unique, proprietary evaluation criteria—what exactly a coach like Ben Johnson values, possibly in very specific traits.
  • “It may be the unusual things ... I think having an organization that's got a proprietary set of criteria says, we look for this from this position, and they don’t want you to know about it.”

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6. Evaluating Kyle Monangai’s Speed & Role

[34:31–35:52]

• Debate about Bears RB Kyle Monangai’s speed and style:
  • Dan: “He’s faster than I thought he was going to be ... maybe getting from first to third is probably a little quicker than I thought.”
  • Matt: “I don’t think he’s got open-it-up and run-away-from-guys speed ... but he’s not slow either.”

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7. Classic Chicago Talk, Banter, & Comfort Food

[18:13–22:39, 36:06–43:36]

• Extended riffing on the hapless White Sox front office (“They don't even know the handedness of their new first baseman”), bathroom humor, and joking about how Chinese food and pizza would be their first choices with $5 billion.
• Matt and Dan compare favorite Chinese food orders, getting listeners hungry (and themselves too).
  • Matt (on what he'd do with a fortune): “I would travel more. I would fly first class or private ... and I would eat way more delivery Chinese food.” [36:59]
  • Dan: “They want me to eat pizza three times a day. Done.” [39:11]

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Notable Quotes

• Dan Bernstein: “It just doesn't sound like a very secure, stable, or realistic way to generate $5 billion.” [05:07]
• Matt Abbatacola: “Isn’t that kind of a Ponzi scheme? I’m no businessman, but…” [04:50]
• Matt Abbatacola: “It’s fun to think about ... but this is the August panel of ESPN experts—they just want us talking about it.” [13:52]
• Matt Abbatacola: “In a lot of ways [Caleb Williams has] blown up the statistical models for quarterbacks because so much of what he does is not measurable.” [21:58]
• Dan Bernstein: “If a guy’s willing to learn ... that’s something you can teach.” [29:20]
• Matt Abbatacola: “The fact that all somebody like Ben Johnson can do ... is know what they want. ... The key then is communicating that to your scouting staff.” [32:18]
• Matt Abbatacola: “I think having an organization that’s got a proprietary set of criteria ... that’s real reason for optimism.” [34:31]
• Dan Bernstein: “They want me to eat pizza three times a day. Done.” [39:11]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Portage Stadium Proposal & Funding: [03:07–10:20]
• ESPN’s Bears Super Bowl & MVP Picks: [11:00–14:05]
• NFL QB Rankings & Quarterbacking Analysis: [15:22–22:31]
• 2025 Rookie Impact Metrics (Bears-heavy): [24:04–28:18]
• Draft Strategy/Mid-Round Prospects: [29:00–34:31]
• Kyle Monangai Speed Debate: [34:31–35:52]
• Chinese Food & Living Large Banter: [36:06–43:36]

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Tone & Language

The hosts keep things casual, irreverent, and fan-friendly, mixing key football analysis with playful asides, food talk, and some classic Chicago sarcasm. They aren’t afraid to question hype or poke fun—even at each other—while still showing deep football expertise.

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Summary Usefulness:
This summary will bring non-listeners up to speed on the biggest debates around Caleb Williams, the Bears’ strategy, and offseason needs, while also capturing the show’s playful, authentic Chicago style.

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you're thinking, forward progress. Come on. Forward progress. A Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matabeticola on 312 Sports.

[Matt Abeticola]

What do you say we talk a little football? Some Chicago Bears, some NFL, some things to do. A lot of news and notes around the world of the NFL and football. We'll deal with the serious stuff and. Or the more serious stuff, perhaps on today's dbu. If you're interested in Roger Goodell and what he should do regarding one of his owners who's a creep and dealing with a creep. And if you want to talk about some other stuff, here we are. Hello. Let's go.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hi. How are you?

[Matt Abeticola]

Good. I'm. You're. You're. You're wearing the shirt that, if you were on a football field, would make me absolutely crazy thinking I see a flag every time. You're just one penalty flag. That's what you are today.

[Dan Bernstein]

See? But if I lean in, though, and we're together, it's. We're very. Michigan.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah. Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, God. Is that the right one?

[Matt Abeticola]

Hail to the conquering heroes. The backup school.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why is Michigan a backup school?

[Matt Abeticola]

Always was rolling in missions. That's where you always. You always. You always got the mission because that way you knew you could go to college.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay. So it was a backup school for you.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Got it.

[Matt Abeticola]

Ooh.

[Dan Bernstein]

What if you had gone to Michigan?

[Matt Abeticola]

I would have gone gladly. And I know exactly who my friends would have been and where I would have lived. Trust me, that. That. That's an easy one. I would have had an awesome time.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's another.

[Matt Abeticola]

I would have gotten a great edge. That's. That's why it's always great, because Michigan was rolling in missions and you would send everything but you always to have that. I. Where I was when they called. And I remember how. How gratifying it was to know good that I'm in, I'm going. And I could get excited about the possibility of going. Really get excited about the possibility of going there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nice.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. That have been a fun time for you.

[Matt Abeticola]

Oh, yeah. Wood.

[Dan Bernstein]

But alas, you ended up at Duke or Drake. Where did you go?

[Matt Abeticola]

And it was. And it was fun. It was great. How about my guy? How about Judge Kelly yesterday, weighing in, coming in, coming in hot, coming in strong. I always, always love to see TK.

[Dan Bernstein]

What did he say?

[Matt Abeticola]

I just can't believe that it's. It's the same dude. But I don't know. I'm gonna piss people off, but.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, all right. Hey, I want to follow up on yesterday we talked about this. This Hallis harbor, this proposition from the great city of Portage, Indiana that I.

[Matt Abeticola]

Described as a stunt because it came off like, hey, no one's talking about anything. There's nothing news. Why don't we come up with a phony baloney stunt to say we'll bring the bears here?

[Dan Bernstein]

Did you see the video that they put out?

[Matt Abeticola]

I didn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not proposal to the Bears.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay, well, there's no reason to waste brain space over it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I was curious to know where this money was coming from because they said they had $5 billion that they.

[Matt Abeticola]

Just found somewhere just to give and.

[Dan Bernstein]

It would be, you know, rent free to the Bears. The Bears wouldn't be in any kind of debt. It wouldn't come out of taxpayers money. So apparently the. The financer behind this whole plan is a gentleman by the name of Lou Weisbach. W E I S B A C.

[Matt Abeticola]

H I know that name.

[Dan Bernstein]

The American Centers for Cures. And then also the CEO of In Tickets We Trust. So here's how the plan works. Uses sales from future events and ticket sales to back the funding of construction. So he would give the $5 billion to the city to build the bear stadium. And this whole complex wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dollar, and it wouldn't cost the bears a dollar. But it's all based on selling tickets for future events and concerts. That's where the money comes from.

[Matt Abeticola]

So borrowing against future dollars to create current dollars.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abeticola]

Isn't that kind of a Ponzi scheme? I'm no businessman, but is it sort of borrowing against the promise of future riches? Usually something we're taught to immediately run as fast as we can in the. Yeah, that's why I wanted to ask.

[Dan Bernstein]

You about it, because I knew that you weren't involved in understanding it or hearing it, but I was. I wanted to know where this 5 billion DOL coming from. That wouldn't cost anyone anything. To me, it just. It doesn't sound like a very secure stable. Yes. To generate $5 billion to. Unless he's got $5 billion from previous ticket sales and event sales that he's Just willing to fork over, which doesn't sound that way, but it just. It doesn't sound very secure, stable, realistic, in my opinion. But maybe I'm wrong because I'm not much of a business guy.

[Matt Abeticola]

Wait, this is. This is the actual plan?

[Dan Bernstein]

That's the plan he's come up with, or that's what. That's what he's done before. I guess it's called In Tickets We Trust. And. Yeah, and so it's about. It's about.

[Matt Abeticola]

Why do I know the name Lou Weisbach?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's about putting money towards construction projects based on the sale of tickets for future events and concerts.

[Matt Abeticola]

Was it Halo advertising where he worked? I think it was.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know the only thing that I saw accredited to him were the American Centers for Cures and in Tickets we Trust.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

So, yeah, so it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dollar, wouldn't. It would be completely free to the Bears. And. Yeah, it's all generated by selling tickets to future events and concerts. And then we get 5 billion and you get to give it the portage and they build the bears whatever they want.

[Matt Abeticola]

It's an interesting use of $5 billion that he just would have that earmarked for Portage Indiana's romance of the bears. Yeah, you'd think that somebody. I don't know, especially somebody who has apparently dedicated much of his life to curing diseases. The American Centers for Cures is something else that he's done that maybe that money would be better serv. Directed to those worthwhile ends in his portfolio.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know. It just. When I heard that that's the process of where the money comes from, it just didn't. It didn't sound like a very good idea. No.

[Matt Abeticola]

I'm no business expert, but the. The concept that was sort of repeated to me multiple times. There's. There's no such thing as a free lunch. When I would come running in with a coupon or something, I heard on a commercial or somebody said, hey, look at this. We can get this. We can get this. And it was always explained to me why such things that always sound to be spectacular are. Are rarely what they are when you initially hear about.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's kind of how I felt hearing this plan.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay, again, you're telling me Hallis harbor is a pipe dream.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's what I think. And I just. Again, I don't think the bears are leaving the state of Illinois. I was just curious to know where this 5 billion was coming that wouldn't cost the Bears A thing it wouldn't cost the taxpayers a dollar. Was curious to know the process. And that's the process. And if you like that process, then go for it. If you're not much of a fan or think it doesn't sound very stable or realistic, then that's kind of how I feel about it too.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay. Because apparently Lou Weisbach did something similar. Talking about raising 750 billion for the American center for Cures. He wanted the U.S. department of the treasury to issue bonds for $750 billion. And then he was going to hire CEOs one for each disease with government funded. I, I don't know. I don't really understand this. With the right leadership, the right command and division, we got all these years of preparation. We've never connected the pieces. The people with responsibility, accountability, we're bringing to the table. Anything can happen here. Anything can be done. He said we're taking it to the White House. I know a lot of people close to the President. We'll get to the President. The President looks at things in a certain way. As we all get older, I'm out even further.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm getting further away now we look.

[Matt Abeticola]

At the way we look at things and the way he looks at things. He views himself as a great problem solver.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's somebody not interested.

[Matt Abeticola]

He's somebody that can do things nobody else could have ever done. We're going to give him the tools to get it done.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right?

[Matt Abeticola]

And he says, he says it's actually quite simple. The concept of as a business model to prevent or cure people from getting sick.

[Dan Bernstein]

Drink bleach.

[Matt Abeticola]

We put together a stick a light bulb of your ass.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wasn't that wasn't the other plans and.

[Matt Abeticola]

It was horse tranquilizers. Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Cure Covid. You just stick a, like a fluorescent light bulb up your ass while drinking bleach.

[Matt Abeticola]

Each disease has a CEO within a six year time frame prevent or cure that disease.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well that all sounds great and everything. I'm just curious about the bears and where the 5 billion was coming from. And it was from ticket sales.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean maybe they could just do like a 5050 raffle, I don't know, around the country and raise money for the bears.

[Matt Abeticola]

I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

But that's the, that's the process. That's the plan. And I'm just not.

[Matt Abeticola]

I'm out.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm going to hang the sign. Not interested. Okay.

[Matt Abeticola]

I'm just going to say. Yeah, I'm. If this is a. Where people are waiting in line to come to me and pitch me deals. I'm going to table this one. I'm going to say thank. Thanks so much. And the next time you have one, you're going to be lower priority.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're not going to get into the room. All right, espn, they made some of their. Their football experts do some picks. And I know, you know, I know how much you love these early picks when you're making lists.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah. Did I see correctly? Is this the one that included Matt Bowen?

[Dan Bernstein]

That is correct. And so there are three areas I want to highlight here. So they had 11 of their football experts make Super bowl picks for 61, MVP. MVP picks for the 2026 season. And then other bold predictions. So there's three I wanted to highlight Matt Bowen being one of them. What is your early Super Bowl 61 pick. And Matt Bowen says the Bears over the Bills. Chicago's need to. Chicago needs to address the pass rusher issue, but the foundational players are there on offense under coach Ben Johnson. With quarterback Caleb Williams playmaking ability, the Bears will beat Josh Allen and Joe Brady's Bills to WINN Super Bowl 61.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right. All right. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good to know one area right there. That's Matt Bowen has the Bears over the Buffalo Bills. We go to MVP fix and Dan Graziano.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

His MVP pick for 2020.

[Matt Abeticola]

Let me guess, let me guess. Caleb Williams.

[Dan Bernstein]

I see the arrow pointing up for Williams. With Ben Johnson and a Bears team that arrived well ahead of schedule. Williams has the fourth quarter clutch, Gene. And even if the Bears fix their defense to where he doesn't need as many clutch performances, add him to the team.

[Matt Abeticola]

By the way, he who clutch Gene.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let me jot it down.

[Matt Abeticola]

Come on. Come on. We have to keep a spot on the roster. It's time, coach. Put me in. Put me in. Not yet, Gene. Not yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're all counting on you, Gene.

[Matt Abeticola]

On my signal, unleash hell. Go, Gene. Gene, go. Get in there.

[Dan Bernstein]

So he feels that Williams, if they fix the defense, won't need as many clutch performances or clutch cargo. He should have plenty of opportunities to showcase his abilities in a tough NFC North. All right, and then one last one. So this is bold predictions here, and this is field Yates. And here's what he says as you get down to the bottom. All right, hang on. Here we go.

[Matt Abeticola]

I'm hanging. I'm right. I have nowhere to be. I'm not going anywhere.

[Dan Bernstein]

So his prediction for Caleb Williams will become an All Pro. There was a ton of good in Williams. Second Pro season, but still much for room for growth. Williams's completion percentage will be the area that most point to and I am bullish that number will improve dramatically next season. The Bears offensive return mostly intact in 2026 and the familiarity with the will be instrumental in their franchise quarterbacks development. So we have Caleb Williams as an mvp, okay, as an All Pro and as a quarterback winning as a, as a quarterback winning the Super bowl in 2026.

[Matt Abeticola]

It's fun to think about and it is certainly fun. And this is, this is the the August panel of ESPN experts. And especially this time of year, they wouldn't be doing anything just to have us talking about it and getting us excited.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, they certainly wouldn't. But I, you know, as someone who does the daily Football podcast certainly do appreciate all the content. Maybe they are keeping keep making lists because I love reading lists.

[Matt Abeticola]

I know you do. I know you do. And we this is, this is a time of year where if you have a thought on something, we're talking about.

[Dan Bernstein]

It, you can share it. Like this list. Dan NFL.com yes, this is Nick Nick Shook. So he he looked at what he do. He shook all night long. Yeah, you shook me.

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[Matt Abeticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

We're here day or night ready whenever you need help because a great trip starts with the right support. So you looked at every quarterback of the 2026 season and he ranked them. And if you if you started a game you got on his list. So all I want to do is look at the top 20 because I don't want to go through all 63.

[Matt Abeticola]

But he breaks it once you get past 20. It's probably a little dicey.

[Dan Bernstein]

It gets a little dicey. Yeah. Especially since I thought where some of these these quarterbacks landed but he broke them into tier so tier one, tier two and tier three. And these are the top 20. And this is. Are the. The top 20 or the top. The top tier quarterbacks.

[Matt Abeticola]

Wait, you can't do this without giving me the criteria. The criteria was. Give me the grading rubric.

[Dan Bernstein]

They started a game this past season.

[Matt Abeticola]

But that's. No, that's the qualification. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's all there was to it. Dude.

[Matt Abeticola]

But. But how? Okay. Rated into tears. Based on what?

[Dan Bernstein]

Their performance as a quarterback. I don't know why it made this so complicated.

[Matt Abeticola]

Just how good Link Shook thinks they were or are. Nick. Nick Shook?

[Dan Bernstein]

Who's Link?

[Matt Abeticola]

I don't know if I just said Link Shook.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nick did. Is he okay?

[Matt Abeticola]

I don't know. I hope he's all right.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, so these are just the performances of the quarterbacks in order, top to bottom.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Matt Abeticola]

Give it to me. Nick.

[Dan Bernstein]

Stop asking questions.

[Matt Abeticola]

I can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, this is about lists, not questions.

[Matt Abeticola]

I have a. I have a list of questions. Aha. See, I'm always. What if I present my questions all the time as a list?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, you can't. We're not doing that. Let me see your list of questions. What is that?

[Matt Abeticola]

It's a list of questions.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wait, it looks like a menu. Is that a menu?

[Matt Abeticola]

Knock my. My light out?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I say your light went out earlier too. Did it? It got real, Doc. Now it's back on. You're good.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay. This is Beth's. I took it out of her office.

[Dan Bernstein]

What is it?

[Matt Abeticola]

It's a ring light.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, it is. Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

There's different settings on it. Hold on, let me see.

[Dan Bernstein]

For like, social media posts. I don't know, for selfies.

[Matt Abeticola]

There's that, there's that, there's that, there's that. Now it's getting darker.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't want.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah, it's getting dark. Oh, now it's weird. And blue.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah, Like a blue light.

[Matt Abeticola]

Did I turn it off? Hold on. I think I It up. Wait, I like the yellow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is it like a black light?

[Matt Abeticola]

It makes me look black.

[Dan Bernstein]

See what's all over your shirt?

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah, just. Just keep it away from the White Sox. If it's a black light, just make sure. Can I just say this? I know it's a football podcast, but the White Sox don't know who's black and they don't know the handedness of the players for whom they trade.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, four times. Did he make the mistake?

[Matt Abeticola]

Sorry, it's just. And they can't spell the name of their new first baseman.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. It's very white socks. But they have a bidet. Though. So they got that.

[Matt Abeticola]

They don't know how to use it. I'm sure it's Frank Thomas Black.

[Dan Bernstein]

We don't know.

[Matt Abeticola]

Is this guy a righty lefty switch here?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know. He's both.

[Matt Abeticola]

We're not sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why is that?

[Matt Abeticola]

Why does the toilet have a fountain in it? Oh, I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Why is there a water fountain where the toilet should be? That's called a bidet.

[Matt Abeticola]

We're not.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's not a bidet.

[Matt Abeticola]

We don't really know much of anything.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think they just. They put like a. Like a garden hose in the. In the bathroom and they're.

[Matt Abeticola]

They have a guy there to spray.

[Dan Bernstein]

He'll hose you down when you're done.

[Matt Abeticola]

Murakami's ass crack. They've got a special assistant. They're just holding a hose with his thumb over it. What's Japanese for bend over?

[Dan Bernstein]

He's got big rain boots on. He looks like the Gorton's fisherman.

[Matt Abeticola]

It's the Sodfather.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bend over. I'll wash your crack.

[Matt Abeticola]

Roger Bossard is there with the giant hose.

[Dan Bernstein]

But it's not like a fire hose though. He's not.

[Matt Abeticola]

It's pretty close.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not ripping his skin off more. Murkam.

[Matt Abeticola]

He comes in there and he's like. He's got the black raincoat on. Like he's on. Made of the mist at Niagara Falls.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they couldn't afford the little handle. So it's just. It's the end of the hose. He puts his thumb over it. No. And just to open it up.

[Matt Abeticola]

It puts the lotion on its skin.

[Dan Bernstein]

Or else it gets the hose again. All right, here's the top rated quarterbacks. You ready?

[Matt Abeticola]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tier one, Matthew Stafford. Yeah. These are in order. Matthew Stafford. Josh Allen.

[Matt Abeticola]

Wait. Stafford.

[Dan Bernstein]

Allen Prescott.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Drake May. Justin Herbert. And Trevor Lawrence.

[Matt Abeticola]

And T. Law.

[Dan Bernstein]

That concludes your. Your Tier one.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right, so. And that's just based on last year's performance. It's not what you. Not next year. Not any of that next year.

[Dan Bernstein]

This last year. So all regular season and playoff games too.

[Matt Abeticola]

So Lamar. So Lamar Jackson gets docked just because he was hurt.

[Dan Bernstein]

I guess productive wasn't as productive. So we go to Tier two, where we see Sam Darnold, Caleb Williams. Jared Goff.

[Matt Abeticola]

Burrow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Joe Burrow. Lamar Jackson. Daniel Jones. Patrick Mahomes.

[Matt Abeticola]

That's. That's tall timber for Daniel Jones.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, it is. Which is why I wanted to bring it up based on our conversation yesterday. As a free agent, if he's not tagged, would you want him as a starter on your hypothetical team?

[Matt Abeticola]

Not until I know how he recovers from his injury. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then tier three, this was interesting. I thought he had Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts, and CJ Stroud.

[Matt Abeticola]

And at your top 20, that sounds about right. I don't have any immediate objections.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Like. Like you. The only thing that stood out to me was the Daniel Jones and then. And Patrick Mahomes. I get where his season was, but to have him down at the bottom of tier two.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well, and maybe this will. This is a decent discussion for, for another time. But what I'm. I have to keep reminding myself about what I said about Caleb Williams and that is the way he has made statistics almost useless in understanding his value and his performance.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Matt Abeticola]

In a lot of ways he's blown up the statistical models for quarterbacks because so much of what he does is not measurable. And I've got to hold myself to that. And I want you to just keep reminding me when we talk about these stats and these stats and these stats, I'm not going to stop using stats, obviously, but that there is. And maybe there's a lesson to be learned about quarterbacking in general, that what we define now as great quarterbacking in some ways is inherently transcendent beyond the stats that we've been using.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. No, I agree with that. And to. And the way. And how Caleb Williams has impacted that. That thought process, which is good for.

[Matt Abeticola]

Us and maybe, maybe for him to exist in the way that he does is a reminder to say you can't. Your, your, your, Your simple tools can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Measure me and his, his impact on a game. And so, but what, and what happens too, when he does reach that level where people are actually impressed with the statistical aspect of what he does?

[Matt Abeticola]

I'm not saying it's not possible or probable, but at the moment, I mean, eventually one will be reflected in the other in some way. But even what we know now and what we concluded was that clearly our. The mainstream statistics or the ability to use what's at our disposal, maybe they exist. And maybe a lot of this is in the. When we talk about yards above average or expected points added. And it, it is on us, the onus is on us to have a better understanding of some of these more advanced metrics that maybe a smarter person could make a case that say, these do reflect what he does and how good he is. I just got to be more open to it. Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. All right. One other thing I Found on social media. I came across this yesterday and I don't know if you've ever heard of this but before. But I saw it on. On. On X or Twitter, whatever it is. Pfsn.

[Matt Abeticola]

My guess, the first two letters stand for pro football.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. So if you go to their. Their website is profootball network.com okay. And they have the highest graded NFL rookies at every position in 2025 per PFSNs impact metrics. You go to their website and you can learn more about it. But I wanted to share that list of rookies with you by position also too. It's really cool. On their website they have a draft simulator that you can play around with. It's really fun. I got trapped in it today for about 20 minutes this morning going through the draft simulator. But it's profootballnetwork.com and these are the highest graded NFL rookies at every position. PFSN's impact metrics at quarterback with a grade of 76.5 is the Giants Jackson Dart. So he was the highest graded quarterback as a rookie for pfsn.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay. Do they talk about their methodology at all?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, if you look. You go to their website and do it obviously.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right. Because I'm just looking at them about us. It says ethics and standards and it. They make it sound good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

Where the trust is paramount. Journalistic principles of factual accuracy, disclosing corrections and event an error is made. Multi sourcing transparent attributions, content free from explicit implicit bias. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. It's good stuff. You can learn more about them that profootball network.com so they have Jackson Dart as the quarterback at a rating of 67.2. Running back Kyle Menungai from the Chicago Bears. Highest graded rookie running back. The highest graded rookie wide receiver with an 83.8.

[Matt Abeticola]

Luther Burden. Yes. Yeah, I saw an incredible stat on yards above expectation for a passing offense. With him on the field, he doesn't even have to catch the ball. It was something measuring just how you affect the success of the unit by being on there in a play. And in some way it's an abstract way of showing the attention you may draw that allows others to succeed. Succeed. And he, he rated very highly on that. I mean with, with everything I see and hear. Eye test and stats test. More, more, more, more, more of Luther Burden iii.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's going to be a superstar. Absolutely. And I love that his grade was 83 too. The highest rated tight end according to PFSN with a grade of again, 83.1.

[Matt Abeticola]

Let me guess. Go ahead. Colston Loveland.

[Dan Bernstein]

Colson Loveland of the Chicago Bears. Correct. Their highest graded interior offensive lineman from Dallas with a grade of 88.4 is Tyler Booker.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Highest graded rookie offensive tackle from the New Orleans Saints with a grade of 83.2. Kelvin Banks Jr. The highest graded defensive tackle at 79.2 from Cleveland, Mason Graham. Which, I mean, he really met a lot of those expectations. Another guy that had high expectations and met them, Edge rusher from The Giants at 84.1, Abdul Carter. Linebacker from Cleveland, Carson Schlesinger with a grade of 86.3. The highest graded cornerback from Tennessee with a grade of 80.1, Marcus Harris. And at safety with a grade of 86, Atlanta safety Xavier Watts.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right, well, that's. That's high praise and high ratings. It's not exactly praise if they're saying that that is objective metric values, but they obviously have some editorial work and how they create those. Those stats. But yeah, that's good. Draft Bears. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kyle Menong guy. Luther Burden, Colson love. And which we've talked about so much during the season and talking about this week, too, when it comes to the draft and the importance looking at contracts and how that all plays out. Got to repeat this, you know, and I know it's a. It's a tall tale to ask, but the amount of impact. Oh, and overall, PFSN gave the Bears the highest grade for the rookie class overall. They were graded the highest overall.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well, I would think they should be.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

Three number ones.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. More contributors than just those three. But the importance of being able to do this again and run it back again to get guys that are impactful. Because we talked about yesterday what is going to happen to your world and how it changes when you're. When you're paying Caleb Williams and you're going to pay Caleb Williams. And we looked at the numbers of Kyler Murray and TUA and how those impact, you know, a salary cap structure for a professional football team. So, yeah, go. Go after the draft and do this again. There was two guys. So we know the combine starts next Monday, I think. Is it next Monday?

[Matt Abeticola]

I think that's Monday or Tuesday, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I think Monday or Tuesday. So I'm gonna. I was going through and looking at the list of guys that are invited to the combine and I want to just kind of keep a running list of guys to keep an eye on. And so I started first. I wanted to look at two positions. One was running back and one was edge rusher. And I deliberately wanted to go not, not top, you know, not top draft guys. I wasn't looking at guys that maybe are first or second or third round picks, but looking at mid round or even like day three guys. So there's two names that I have written down that I want to keep an eye on and I'm going to add more as we go through. From Indiana, the running back Roman Hemby, who's projected as a mid round guy. Roman Hemby, so the ability to make explosive plays. What I really like about his attributes too is really soft hands they talk about and being able to catch balls out of the backfield. And the biggest weakness that I saw in looking at him online is the ability in pass protection. And I just feel like with, with the right coaching and a guy who's motivated, that that's something that I think you can, you can teach. If a guy's willing to learn what the defensive schemes are, what the calls are, where to be in the right place, I think, I think you can teach that. That to me is not a deficiency of a guy coming out of college. That is an obstacle or a roadblock for me. I think that's something that you can teach and learn if you have the right coaches in place with the right guy. But Roman Hemby is a guy to keep an eye on. And then this is a day three guy that's rated really high athletically. His greatest skill is getting to the quarterback and it's from UCF and it's Malachi Lawrence.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right, good name.

[Dan Bernstein]

Edge, rusher, big body like I think 66250. But his greatest attributes, getting to the quarterback, being able to utilize his athleticism and his speed, even be able to move him around a little bit on the line. But he's a guy to look at as a, as a day three guy. So just two names right now to keep an eye on for the combine. We'll add more as we go through it, but again, want to look at value guys and guys that might be lower, lower rounds for the Bears to keep an eye on that would fit a need they have now.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah, if you look at and I would love to go back and see what was being said about somebody like Manungai. You know, a lot of times we learn after the fact, which is why I save all of the old draft guides and you know, whether it's been Joel Buxbaum or Dane Brugler or was it Nolan Naraki or any of the other, you know, I love to go back and look and see and we know what was said about tough, smart, doesn't fumble, undersized and slow. And I don't know if any of those things are necessarily wrong, but it just means that there are. Being able to, to know it when you see it is different than know it when you read it. So the fact that you've that all and all somebody like Ben Johnson can do or Dennis Allen is know what they want. And the key then is communicating that to your scouting staff. You know, you, you need to see this. I want people ranked based on these traits. And in a lot of organizations you have a deep seated scouting department. You have people been there a long time. Oftentimes your rank and file scouts have worked for multiple bosses. And there is a way of objectively examining players. What I think we're learning now based on what we've talked about, looking at the Seahawks and the number of players who were let go or given up on by other teams, the Patriots, the number of players they look bad fit here, bad fit there. We. It is that ability to subjectively scout, not just say, well, these are the combine numbers and these are what scouting services say about the usual things. It may be the unusual things. And I think having an organization that's got a proprietary set of criteria says we look for this from this position, we look for this from that position. That stuff you don't usually hear about until after the fact. So after a team's won multiple titles, whether it's the spurs or whether it's another team that says look other teams, this, these are things we scout for and they don't want you because it's, that's valuable stuff. Which is why you don't hear about it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abeticola]

You hear about it later. And it makes. I'm really interested to know how Ben Johnson has changed the way. If Ben Johnson has changed the way, say, throw out every. What you've looked at before. I need a, I need a tight end that does this, this, this, this specifically. I want to see how his left hip opens up when he's on this side. I was right. Like sometimes it gets that specific and that's when it gets exciting, is when your team's better at that. And if you're telling me that some of this stuff and some of these indications give us optimism that for the first time in forever, maybe that they've got something going on that other teams don't, that's real reason for optimism. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

When you brought up common on guy too, I, I don't, I wouldn't. I'm not going to say that he's, he's fast but I don't think Manangai slow though either.

[Matt Abeticola]

I think he's chased down slow.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's.

[Matt Abeticola]

He, he looks like he's moving quickly.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Because he's smaller because he like what I, I was more impressed with with the speed that I saw on the field than what I thought he had. I'm not saying he's fast but he's faster than I thought he was going to be.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah. I think part of it is in between which gears you're fast. I don't think he's got open it up and run away from guys in the open field speed. I do think, I do think in the same way where we looked at David Montgomery where second gear to third gear. He's pretty good. He can get through a hole and through the next level but he's not Bijan Robinson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abeticola]

He's. He's not Kenneth Walker. He's not Saquon Barkley or what Saquon Barkley was the idea of given or Ashton Genty even given the tiniest opening goodbye. Like that's not. He's Jameer Gibbs.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. That find that final gear which he doesn't possess. But, and I didn't think he did either. But he's also faster than I thought he was going to be. That's. I guess maybe getting from first to third is probably a little quicker than I, than I thought.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Which is great.

[Matt Abeticola]

I mean I didn't really think much other than looking at a very productive college career and the fact that you can find running backs. He's. He's a guy they found. Yep. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well that's all I got.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

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[Matt Abeticola]

Well that's okay, that's. I think that's. Well, I'm not going to say. Damn it. You need more. You got to show me more. I just, I love this idea. I'm. I'm going to spend the rest of my guys down. Which guys? Roman Hemby.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And Malachi Lawrence to take a peek at. You can look, look more about them.

[Matt Abeticola]

I will. I just, I'm going to spend. I figured out what I'm going to do. I think it's nice out. I may take a walk. I know we've got a meeting at 2:30 I think. Right. I think and then I think I'm going to find ways to borrow against all kinds of made up future income to create $5 billion.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. What are you going to do with it? You're going to give it to the Bears to build a stadium. Because I would keep it if I were you.

[Matt Abeticola]

I think. What do I always say? What do I always say? That if I won Powerball, what would I change? What would I do?

[Dan Bernstein]

More dessert? No, you wouldn't change anything.

[Matt Abeticola]

I would. I would travel. I would. I would fly first class and. Or private travel. Yep. And I would eat way more delivery Chinese food.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that sounds good.

[Matt Abeticola]

That. That is like my. My expensive. My splurge. My guilty pleasure is either House of Wasson, because when I. Which. Which on Irving Park. Yeah, it's in the. It's in the old Golden Nugget. They took it over and.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right.

[Matt Abeticola]

It's. It's. It's like Irving park in Sacramento or somewhere around there. They used to be here on Lincoln. And that's my go to. Because, I mean, every simple thing is awesome. And their barbecue pork chow fun is. No one else does. They do.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's a lot of fun.

[Matt Abeticola]

The other. It's chow fun. And the other place is right near me, right around the corner here, across from Lane Tech, is a little strip mall storefront. And you would drive past it a million times, and it's called number one chop suey.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are they number one?

[Matt Abeticola]

It's like the worst thing ever. And I've never had their chop suey, but their roasted Cantonese duck.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah, that's where I get the duck from.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah, that's where I get the duck. Because Wassun does not do duck. There is, interestingly enough, a place on Broadway called Sun Wah. Not Wah Sun. Sun Wa does. Famous, famous duck. And I have. I have not had it yet, but everyone gets mad at me. Like, you're saying it wrong. It's Sun Wa, not Wah Sun. No, I. I know of that place. I have not been there yet. I will go there, I promise. But yeah, that's what I would do more if I had that $5 billion that I could create from made up sales of things that don't exist.

[Dan Bernstein]

So travel more and then eat more.

[Matt Abeticola]

Travel, travel more and travel well. Yeah, and more Chinese food.

[Dan Bernstein]

I would do that. I would. I would substitute Chinese food. Not that I don't love it, because I do. Maybe that'd be second or third on the list. I would do pizza.

[Matt Abeticola]

You order more pizza.

[Dan Bernstein]

I could eat pizza for everybody I know of every day.

[Matt Abeticola]

I know you could. And actually that we should. We should tell potential sponsors that you would be absolutely willing to do that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Whatever they want. They want me to eat pizza three times a day. Done.

[Matt Abeticola]

All Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I could do that. All right, let's make people really hungry before we say goodbye. You're. You're ordering Chinese right now for takeaway. What's your. What's your go to order? Ooh, like, no, give me the. Don't, Don't. Do not location, not restaurant.

[Matt Abeticola]

Just.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's your order?

[Matt Abeticola]

How hungry am I? Like, other people around are like, we're not. We're getting it for the table, and.

[Dan Bernstein]

We get a little bit. No, no, just getting it for you. What. What are you going to order? And I'll tell you what, what I would order.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well, it depends if I'm ordering from my regular at House of Wassun is different than my regular order somewhere else.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, let's just go. Go wan then.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay. At Wasun, I would. I would get. If Beth is eating with me, she'll always share the Sichuan eggplant. Okay, so I'll definitely get Szechuan eggplant. I will definitely get their chow fun with the. The slabs of that fatty barbecue pork. Okay, so barbecue pork chow fun. Then I would get a small hot and sour soup. And also, probably because they make their own mustard there, I'll usually get an egg roll or two just because I love things to dip in the combination of the sweet and sour and that awesome hot mustard.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, so there's a place in Libertyville. Hunan palace is where it's my, like, my regular go to order. So I would do. I do pot stickers.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I like them pan fried. I don't like them steamed.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay, well, yeah, steamed. They're not pot stickers. They're steamed dumplings. Yeah, but pot stickers means fried.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I know, but they still call them pot stickers.

[Matt Abeticola]

Not if they're steamed. Steamed dumplings and pot stickers are different things.

[Dan Bernstein]

I understand that. But on their menus for, like, dumb white guys like, like us, that's what they do, so just relax. So pot stickers, egg roll. Always get egg roll. And I do the mustard and sweet and sour.

[Matt Abeticola]

As do I. Okay, but it's. But the sweet and sour. I don't like the ketchup based. I like. Not the red stuff. I like the sweet sour. Yeah, it's like apricot. It's the orange transparent in the orange.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. And then egg drop soup. And then I do a Mongolian beef, which I. Okay, I love Mongolian beef.

[Matt Abeticola]

Got the scallion and this. And it's a little sweeter, but it's. Yes, I love it spicy and good.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, so now I'm really hungry. Hopefully listeners are hungry too.

[Matt Abeticola]

And I will say this, though, but you didn't ask me if I do number one chop suey. What I do there is the Cantonese roast duck and shrimp toast.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, just what it says.

[Matt Abeticola]

Have you ever had shrimp? It's a Chinese American. It's a piece of crustless bread that is smeared with a paste. A shrimp paste, like a seasoned shrimp paste that is glopped over the top. And then the entire thing is lightly, lightly floured and deep fried.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that sounds good. Oh, that's good stuff. And they just eat it like that. Or do you add more dip mustard.

[Matt Abeticola]

And sweet and sour mustard and maybe a little bit of soy. Maybe a little bit like, sweetened soy. Whatever they got shrimp toast is. And was. Son doesn't do a shrimp toast. Number one chop suey does a shrimp toast. And I remember that from you. Lynn's in Highland Park. And that just makes me feel like I'm 8 years old at a big round table with family, and I get all of these fabulous, like, comfort food memories.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nice. All right. Very good. All right. Now that you're hungry, we'll let. We'll let you go on your day and wait for dinner now. Oh, I didn't mean you. I meant the listeners.

[Matt Abeticola]

I gotta. I got another seven hours before dinner. I gotta wait seven hours.

[Dan Bernstein]

What time is it?

[Matt Abeticola]

It's 12:30. All right. That's a long time. I gotta work out, and so I've got a full exercise. I might go take a walk.

[Dan Bernstein]

You should take a walk.

[Matt Abeticola]

I think I gotta do Chinese now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. 100%.

[Matt Abeticola]

You? 100%.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was the point.

[Matt Abeticola]

You just cost me 50 bucks.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I did. Because you haven't made. You haven't made your 5 billion.

[Matt Abeticola]

That's right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sales.

[Matt Abeticola]

We'll take it out of my 5 billion that I'm gonna raise by the. By the evening. And I'm not gonna give it to the bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

When you call an order, see if they'll let you pay in the future.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yes. Hey, how are you? You know me. I call all the time. I've got all this money coming from future ticket sales. Will you give me a little bit of chow fun and. Or some shrimp toast?

[Dan Bernstein]

Like, I'll gladly pay you by next.

[Matt Abeticola]

Tuesday for a hamburger today. Yeah. All right, that'll do it. For forward progress, a Chicago Bear.

[Dan Bernstein]

Keep going. Just talk over it. You can talk over it. You talk over everything else. No jerk. Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matabeticola on 312Sports.

[Matt Abeticola]

No penis. You were a jerk on text last night too.

[Dan Bernstein]

How was I a jerk on text?

[Matt Abeticola]

Because I was. I'll show you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, you didn't. You didn't like my passive aggressive answer?

[Matt Abeticola]

Well, that's why I gave bastard. That's why I gave it the heart emoji.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I know. I was like, jag off.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well, no, because you were like, it will be posted just like it always is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. No need to ask.

[Matt Abeticola]

And I was like, okay, Love you too.

[Dan Bernstein]

I saw your heart emoji dick rip off.

[Matt Abeticola]

No, you were being a passive aggressive wiener.

[Dan Bernstein]

100%.

[Matt Abeticola]

Okay. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, I'll. I happily admit that. It was so obvious.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah, you're like, don't bug me with this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are you gonna post this? Well, no, I'm just. I'm not gonn things like I have in the last six months jerk off. And then you respond. I'm like, all right. What did this respond with? Oh, the heart emoji. What a.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right, that's gonna do it. Goodbye.

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[Matt Abeticola]

You did that already. I'm talking over it.

[Dan Bernstein]

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[Matt Abeticola]

See.

[Dan Bernstein]

By forward progress, a Chicago Bears podcast with Dan Bernstein and Matt Abeticola on 312 Sports.

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