What would a Chicago Bears WIN over Pittsburgh show to the league?

Summary

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Episode Overview

Episode Title: What would a Chicago Bears WIN over Pittsburgh show to the league?
Date: November 19, 2025
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Matt Abbatacola
Podcast: Forward Progress - A Chicago Bears Podcast
Main Theme:
The hosts analyze what a win against the Pittsburgh Steelers would signal about the Chicago Bears and their place in the NFL. They address the ongoing debate over whether the Bears are getting enough “respect” nationally, examine analytical stats behind their surprising season, and discuss media narratives, algorithm-driven sports coverage, and culture around fandom and recognition in the NFL.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bears-Steelers Matchup & Quarterback Uncertainty

• Steelers QB Situation – Matt highlights the lack of clarity on Pittsburgh’s starter, noting Mike Tomlin's public statements about Mason Rudolph and speculation that Aaron Rodgers could return with a brace.
  • [02:05] Matt: "Mike Tomlin did say that they would starting today would center around Mason Rudolph and then take it day by day."
  • [02:23] Dan: "Do you believe him? ... I think that it's going to be Rodgers if they can find a brace with which he can play."

2. "Respect" for the Bears: Media Narratives & Fan Sentiment

• Growing Sentiment Among Bears Fans – Matt surfaces widespread complaints that despite a 7-3 record and leading the NFC North, the Bears aren’t getting national “respect.” He reads an article from NFL.com’s Jeffrey Chadiha championing this viewpoint.
  • [03:16] Matt: "There's this whole idea, Dan, of the Bears deserving respect and the Bears aren't getting enough respect for where they're at..."
  • Article Highlight: The Bears are praised for their progress but called "secondary characters" compared to teams like the Eagles or Lions.
  • [03:41] Dan (summing up the argument):

    "Chicago seems to operate in the shadows of the NFC... It's 19-17 win over the Vikings just improved its record to seven and three... For a second year quarterback Caleb Williams and first year head coach Ben Johnson... The focus on Chicago's offense shouldn't detract from the progress Johnson has made in developing a winning culture..."

Hosts Drill Down:

• Dan's Critique: The discussion around respect is convoluted, often a projection of fan and media narratives rather than objective recognition.
  • [05:49] Dan: "We were sort of entering a hall of mirrors of strawman arguments here... you start to lose where you are."
  • [06:43] Dan on "fanboy culture":

    "...my team's awesome, your team sucks, pay attention to my team—all the stuff I hate... There’s a time and a place to meatball out during the game, and then there’s a time to be level headed about how you assess the quality of your team."

• Power Rankings & Visibility:
  • [09:10] Matt jokes about trivial complaints like “Why do I have to scroll down to get the Bears score?”
  • [09:36] Matt: "I don't understand, the power rankings don't mean shit. I don’t..."

On the Meaning of Respect:

• [10:27] Dan: "A lot of this just has to do with what the algorithm generates right now that dominates why things are talked about in sports."
• [11:58] Dan: "Everybody’s a slave to algorithms, everybody’s a slave to little things on Twitter that become big things..."

3. The Algorithm & Coverage of Sports

• Algorithm-Driven Attention:
  • [12:26] Matt: "It's not someone in charge of programming saying, 'This is the talent that I want'.... it's the algorithm..."
  • [13:05] Dan: "When we start talking about an NFL team deserving of respect, it’s like somebody’s applied this college model—respect from whom for what? They’re seven and three... how good they are will be told on the field."

4. Analytical Look: How the Bears Are Winning

• Statistical Profile:
  • Matt provides a rundown of the Bears’ performance:
    • 3rd in rushing offense, 6th in yards per carry.
    • 17th in passing yards, 14th in yards per attempt.
    • Defensive weaknesses: 20th in passing yards allowed, 25th in rushing yards allowed.
    • Special Teams: Bottom quarter by net punt average.
  • [13:32] Matt: "Statistically speaking they're not a team that deserves a ton of credit or recognition... Their run game is very good, as being the third best rushing team in the NFL; that's not exciting and sexy right now in the NFL, no it's just not."
    • Dan: "Interior offensive line play… that's what they do really well. …Who’s the best player? Their left guard, Joe Thuney. Yes."
    • [14:57] Dan: “Joe Thuney is the best player on the Chicago Bears.”

5. Reconciling Fandom & Critique

• Enjoyment vs. Objectivity:
  • [15:16] Dan: "You can't be happy about your team and still be critical of the way they play—well, we know that's not true."
  • [16:05] Dan: "We develop our content not based on what's going to get pushes... that's how programming happens a lot—what's gonna get reposted, what's gonna be part of the algorithm creature."

6. What It Really Takes to Get "Respect"

• [20:07] Dan: "You want respect? Win. You want utmost respect? Have a parade—preferably after a Super Bowl win."
• [20:34] Matt: "If you're a fan of the team, then just be a fan... just love your team. It's all good and enjoy it and watch it."

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

Mutual Media Critique

• [07:58] Matt: "You can make an argument for your team... I don't like that system. I hate it."
• [08:03] Dan: "I hate it, but that’s how it works. It's primitive and stupid."

Sports Media Satire & Banter

• [14:59] Matt (on boring best player): "Well maybe he should start posting videos with his shirt off and doing wacky things to draw more attention to the Bears."

Statistical Real Talk

• [13:37] Matt: "Statistically speaking... their run game is very good as being the third best rushing team in the NFL; that's not exciting and sexy right now in the NFL, no it's just not..."

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Notable Timestamps

01:19: Podcast proper begins after ads.

02:05–02:56: Steelers QB debate: Tomlin’s statements & speculation about Rodgers.

03:16–05:49: Media narratives about Bears’ respect, reading from NFL.com article.

05:49–06:43: Dan critiques the endless "respect" debates and "fanboying out."

13:32–14:57: Matt’s detailed statistical rundown of the Bears’ team strengths/weaknesses.

20:07: Dan sums up: "You want respect? Win."

20:34: Matt’s fan manifesto: "Just love your team and enjoy it."

21:32–24:20: Mike Tomlin audio: In-depth scouting praise for Bears defense.

31:45–34:47: Mike Tomlin audio: Praise and tactical assessment of Bears offense, focus on Caleb Williams and young talent.

38:33–40:47: Matt Daniels (Vikings ST coordinator) audio: Frustration over a Bears kick return, with banter and ribbing by the hosts.

47:15–51:30: Discussion on Giants RB Cam Scatterboo’s viral wrestling appearance—hosts criticize overreaction from media.

52:13: Wrap-up and reflection on media, fandom, fun (“meatball out”).

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Tone & Style

Dan and Matt mix analytical depth with playful, irreverent banter. They mock media hot takes about respect and recognition, dissect stats to show what’s really driving the Bears’ success, and constantly poke fun at themselves, “fanboy” behavior, and algorithm-addled sports media. The episode is equal parts thoughtful critique, Bears technical talk, and “meatball” fan humor.

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Conclusion

A win against Pittsburgh wouldn’t just add to the Bears’ record—it would challenge national narratives about the team, but Dan and Matt stress that “respect” is earned on the field, not in power rankings or on social media. They urge fans to enjoy the ride, embrace football for what it is, and leave the algorithm-chasing to others. Ultimately, the Bears’ step-by-step progress—and the joy and frustration that comes with fandom—matter more than fleeting buzz.

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Sample Memorable Quotes with Timestamps

• [13:05] Dan: “When we start talking about an NFL team deserving of respect, it’s like somebody’s applied this college model—respect from whom for what? They’re seven and three... how good they are will be told on the field.”
• [14:57] Dan: “Joe Thuney is the best player on the Chicago Bears.”
• [20:07] Dan: “You want respect? Win. You want utmost respect? Have a parade—preferably after a Super Bowl win.”
• [20:39] Matt: “If your team sucks and you love them, great. Love your team. If your team is great and everyone loves them, great. ... Just love your team.”
• [24:20] Mike Tomlin (audio): "They have defense... they lead the league in takeaways... those two statistics are the catalyst for why they're playing really good defense and they're a seven-three football team."
• [34:47] Mike Tomlin (audio): "Can't say enough about what I've seen from Caleb Williams... his accuracy, his arm strength, his ability to extend... it's really challenging."

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This summary captures all the major discussion points, insights, style, and heart of the episode for listeners and non-listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Matt Abeticola]

Forward progress a chicago bears podcast with dan bernstein and matt abeticola on three one two sports we always.

[Dan Bernstein]

Award you forward progress here on three hundred twelve sports brought to beer church brewing new buffaloes brewery pizzeria and a historic church wood fired neapolitan pizza small batch craft beer brunch every day visit beerchurchbrewing dot com the bears get back to it today we'll get our first injury report we will see who is out on the practice field preparing for the steelers coming to soldier field at noon the bears with that gaudy record of seven three first place into north.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yep and then the steelers coming in also in first place we still don't know what's happening with their quarterback position when talking with media mike tomlin did say that they would starting today would center around mason rudolph and then take it day by day okay that's that's how the preparation is going to go.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do you believe him i don't really i don't i think that it's going to be rogers if they can find a brace with which he can play.

[Matt Abeticola]

I believe mike tomlin but i still think that aaron rodgers will start okay so i believe that when he met the media yesterday his approach was starting today we're going to focus on mason rudolph going forward but we'll take it day by day i think yeah i agree with you in the assessment on that i do believe mike tomlin but i do think aaron rodgers eventually will.

[Dan Bernstein]

Be the starter fair enough asked and.

[Matt Abeticola]

Answered yeah so there's a topic that i keep seeing coming up online different media outlets of course bears fans this whole idea dan of the bears deserving respect and the bears aren't getting enough respect for where they're at in this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Current nfl season so who said this.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well it's i've seen it a lot but there's one particular article on nfl dot com and i read this morning and this is not the first one that i've read and this is jeffrey chihita okay and he wrote a piece like the six biggest you know stories from week eleven and one of those stories is bears deserve more respect than they're getting so i'm like all right so this is another topic that i'm seeing okay hey let me just read read what he wrote here hang on a second he says chicago seems to operate in the shadows of the nfc which is bizarre given how bad this team has been in previous years it's nineteen to seventeen win of the vikings just improved its record to seven and three which is two more wins than it had last year and it's holding first place in the nfc north after detroit's lost to philadelphia that sounds pretty good like pretty good progress for a second year quarterback caleb williams and first year head coach ben johnson who was brought in to turn him into a superstar and that process is taking some time but the focus on chicago's offense shouldn't detract from the progress johnson has made in developing a winning culture williams only completed sixteen of thirty two for one ninety three on sunday he also didn't commit a turnover which has been a major factor in chicago success williams only has four interceptions this season and zero lost fumbles those numbers mean even more when considering the bears have forced twenty two turnovers and lead the league in turnover margin of plus sixteen okay so you want to know why the bears are five and one in one score games it's because of numbers like those they're not creating the same buzz because the eagles are defending nfc champs the lions have been the dominant team in the nfc north the packers are underwhelming and the rams and seahawks have enjoyed more success things might be different if this offense takes off and all those young weapons start making some noise until then we should have greater appreciation for what the bears are doing who's we the they may not be as fun to watch as other teams but their resilience can't be questioned i just think that there's an there's an overwhelming theme when talking about this nfl season particularly in the nfc bears fans jeffrey chahadi other other reporters i mean i've read things on espn seeing things online all over that the bears just aren't getting enough respect there's a ton of memes going on highlighting other teams in the nfl with winning records and first place teams and the bears are always kind of like a secondary character in.

[Dan Bernstein]

All of that this is at the risk of giving myself a migraine okay we were sort of entering a hall of mirrors of strawman arguments here that scares me a little bit because you start to lose where you are if jeffrey chittia is saying as a writer if he says i have not been giving the bears enough let's see this whole idea of buzz they haven't gotten the same buzz like it's if you as an nfl writer your writer at nfl dot com just say i need to pay more attention to the bears.

[Matt Abeticola]

Or i need to give them more credit for what they've done right or.

[Dan Bernstein]

I need to dig deeper or doing this deeper dive has allowed me to appreciate appreciate more what they're doing and.

[Matt Abeticola]

It'S not just him so rather well.

[Dan Bernstein]

Part of it is you get too close to the noise that i hate and we're not immune from certainly being in the crossfire of this just because of we're all trapped in the algorithm and this idea the fanboy the nature of what has happened to fanboying out and i do use that term in a derogatory way because it's gross this whole thing like my team's awesome your team sucks pay attention to my team all the stuff i hate in large part about what we do where all of us should strive to be there's a time and a place to meatball out during the game and then there's a time to be level headed about how you assess the quality of your team and for people to be like well they're not getting respect how do you show respect what is this from whom how you don't like my team as much as i like my team whatever man like your team like whatever you want but in college sports where there's this idea of the hidden cabal of the powers that be that rank everybody and that stuff matters and that.

[Matt Abeticola]

You can make an argument for your team or a team yeah i don't like that system i hate it right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I hate it but that's how it works it's primitive and stupid right but there's some truth to it you know when it comes to giving out the academy awards or the hollywood foreign press or this idea of garnering some respect from this group of critics on a cloud somewhere it's the nfl you'll play the games and you'll win or you'll lose and there's one team that has a parade and that's it but how what this this the craving for some sort of validation or attention or respect just plays into fanboy culture which unfortunately has seeped into far too much yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

And i just wonder like when like this article and again this is not just about him there's other articles that i've read about the bears not getting enough credit or deserve more credit like what does that mean what does it look like from whom they get island games in the nfl scheduling they get their proper recognition there they've had three o' clock games they've had night games.

[Dan Bernstein]

But again that's the question respect from whom do you want troy aikman to not say a certain play was lucky do you want i mean there's people who like when they pick up their phone and they go to a national scoreboard on an app why do i have to scroll down to get the.

[Matt Abeticola]

Bears score right or is it like.

[Dan Bernstein]

What are we doing is it these.

[Matt Abeticola]

Opinionated power rankings you want the bears higher in a power ranking i just.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't understand the power rankings don't.

[Matt Abeticola]

Mean shit i don't here's the issue i have with this whole the whole what comes out of this conversation is you can't have a critical thought about a team that is seven and three and in first place in their division.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know i can and and that.

[Matt Abeticola]

That'S the problem i have with with the sports fan like you can you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can that's a fan's job it's not a it's not the job of somebody at nfl dot com to be like they're not generating much buzz or they're not getting respect you can just say it could be it could be your column and say i have looked deeper into what the bears are doing and i think more highly of them than.

[Matt Abeticola]

I did before or not even acknowledging it just write about the bears then if you want to exactly just say hey here's a great story from a seven and three team that is playing well above where it should be right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Now that's what i mean where it's strawman looking at strawman and you're finding something to feed when a lot of this just has to do with what the algorithm generates right now that dominates why things are talked about in sports.

[Matt Abeticola]

And news do you think that's where the main that's the main issue where it comes from the algorithm generating not only thought and content but leading prioritization.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah yeah i do i read something the other day i mean this is probably a topic for another time but i'm happy to get into it if you want that somebody made the point of well pat mcafee runs espn stephen a smith runs espn and the point was made that no no they don't i think it was something a comment that sage steele made and i apologize for not remembering where i saw this in the constant flood of information that i'm trying to swim through that it's not about one person dominating it's the fact that certain people do things in certain ways that the algorithm likes the virality with short attention spans and just being noisy and creating clicks and engagement and i don't want to be old man screaming at cloud and i'm really not i understand it we play the.

[Matt Abeticola]

Same game right we're in it we're.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right in the middle of it when it comes to the way we generate.

[Matt Abeticola]

Revenue i mean we're learning it we're getting better at it and you know but that's what that's how you grow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Something that's it it's not individual executives it's not king makers it's not it really isn't everybody's a slave to algorithms everybody's a slave to little things on twitter that become big things which is hilar considering how the algorithms at least on twitter been completely doctored for nefarious purposes right and yet that's still making huge multimillion dollar decisions decisions on hiring.

[Matt Abeticola]

And firing it's not someone in charge of the programming saying this is the talent that i want to represent what our brand is but it is a guy like pat mcafee on college game day takes his shirt off and stands on top of a chair and gets thousands of college kids yell and scream and then that video goes viral and it's like oh that's fun that's gone yeah and then and then it's like all right i'm gonna watch i'm gonna tune into college game day to see what pat mcafee does next and i like i like his content i think he has a good information he knows what the hell he's talking about and it's all that extra stuff that really leads that content in the algorithm that draws people to watch it but that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Again that's for another time i get you but that's something i think about a lot and when we start talking about an nfl team deserving of respect it's like somebody's applied this college model respect from whom for what they're seven and three they're in first place and you can actually decide by watching the games and looking at statistics how good they are right and ultimately that will be told on the field the bears.

[Matt Abeticola]

Right now dana are third in rushing offense they're sixth in yards per carry at four point eight they have eight runs this year of twenty plus yards along of thirty nine was not a touchdown there have been eleven touchdowns in the nfl this year fifty yards or more in rushing bears obviously don't have one of those they're seventeenth in passing yards they're fourteenth in yards per attempt at seven point two on defense they've they're twentieth and passing yards allowed their twenty fifth in rushing yards allowed on special teams they have the fifth most kickoff return yards given that's allowed fifth most they're twenty sixth in net average punt yards at thirty nine point five so one of the lower teams as far as the net punt average is concerned too statistically speaking they're they're they're not a team that deserves a ton of credit or recognition they're they're they're just not their run game is very good as being the third best rushing team in the nfl that's not exciting and sexy right now in the nfl no it's just not neither is solid.

[Dan Bernstein]

Interior offensive line play right and that's.

[Matt Abeticola]

That'S that's what they do really well yep and the things they do really well statistically speaking are third down defense and red zone defense when your best.

[Dan Bernstein]

Player who do you right now the best player on the bears the best.

[Matt Abeticola]

Player on the bears is their left guard is joe tuney yes he's the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Best football player on the bears that's.

[Matt Abeticola]

Not sexy no that doesn't sell it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Doesn'T mean it's not true doesn't lead.

[Matt Abeticola]

Contents and algorithms no joe tooney is.

[Dan Bernstein]

The best player on the chicago bears.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well maybe he should start posting videos with his shirt off and doing wacky things to draw more attention to the bears and maybe they'd get more credit that he deserve i just don't like the idea that you can't be happy about your team and still be critical of the way they play well we.

[Dan Bernstein]

Know that that's not true and i can tell you right now that in three one two sports it's that i'm trying to do my best that yeah we're talking about this but i also really don't want to give it too much attention because so much of this stuff is then being absorbed into these.

[Matt Abeticola]

Strawman arguments yeah and that's why i like the platform that we have and the way that we construct what we do yeah we have to play the click game and you got to get eyes on things it's part of the business you have to yeah we're doing this for money we're not we don't develop our content based on what's going to get pushes correct what's going to get likes and that's how programming happens a lot what's gonna get likes what's gonna get reposted what's gonna be you know part of the algorithm creature that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just flows non stop and sadly it's happening in news and luckily sports doesn't matter and it's all it's not really that serious there are places where this same phenomenon is making people dumber and it is allowing some people to use this phenomenon just as we're talking about the rejiggering of what's going on on twitter the people who are out in front of this and there are bad actors and bad faith actors that are taking advantage of this to nefarious ends that stuff's real scary in sports it's not quite as scary yet but that's where really it starts to worry that people are taking advantage of this for purposes that don't befit anyone shopify's point.

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[Matt Abeticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

Oatmeal sounds like the canadian red river.

[Matt Abeticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

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[Matt Abeticola]

Not on the turntable it can't be on the turn here hang on a.

[Dan Bernstein]

Second no no no they're gonna get.

[Matt Abeticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

The water the waterloo stuff there was.

[Matt Abeticola]

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[Dan Bernstein]

Just close that first chapter by saying you want respect win you want utmost.

[Matt Abeticola]

Respect have a parade well preferably after a super bowl win i mean you could have a parade i don't mean.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just throw a parade have a deserved parade and you'll get deserved respect it's amazing how on those tracks how much respect comes concurrently with championships and competing for championships yeah and then my final.

[Matt Abeticola]

Thought would be if you're a fan of the team then just be a fan of the team and fan how you want a fan with them and.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don'T care what anybody else thinks it's.

[Matt Abeticola]

All right if your team sucks and you love them great love your team if your team is great and everyone loves them great you can still love your team just love your team it's all good and enjoy it and watch it there you go hey mike tomlin he is his press conferences are interesting with the media they are he when he talks about i've gone back to a couple now just to see if this was a common thing when he talks about the upcoming opponent he gets in really like really great detail talking about the opponents where ben johnson doesn't maybe he's just not asked about it.

[Dan Bernstein]

And some coaches all they want to do is fluff the opponent and so it's all fluffing and glazing so i.

[Matt Abeticola]

Have a couple cuts here i don't know how long you want to get.

[Dan Bernstein]

Into them but they're deed sorry they're.

[Matt Abeticola]

About like a minute forty each talking about the bears defense and the bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

Offense yeah i want to hear what.

[Matt Abeticola]

Mike tomlin all right so this is first on the bears defense i'll start.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

First on defense that's what i just said they have defense they have dennis allen as their coordinator he's been around he has a mode of operation if you will and you see it in their video they covet taking the ball away they lead the league in takeaways i think they got twenty two on the season da also prides himself in good possession down defense i think they're second in the league in terms of third down success rate and i think those two statistics are the catalyst for why they're playing really good defense and they're a seven three football team they're taking the ball away from people they're playing really good on possession downs offensive units are at about thirty three point seven i think percent conversion rates couple that with what's going on in the offensive side of the ball you certainly have your challenges they got quality players at all levels they picked up sweat a couple of years ago from washington he's the signature of their front end edge rush he's a challenge certainly to deal with and has been at the linebacker level edmonds man is a sideline to sideline tackler big time athlete he's a good blitzer i think he's got four interceptions on the season they got some guys in the secondary that are really taking advantage of some circumstances man in getting people in one dimensional moments people have to absorb risk to keep pace with them come back in football games et cetera they're getting a lot of turnovers kevin has done it a long time at the safety position he's been a ball guy i was just you know talking to someone this morning man he picked off balls as a member of the tennessee titans he picked off balls at middle tennessee state guys that have a you know have a have a knack for securing the ball generally they do it regardless of environment and it certainly continues in chicago for him i think he leads them with five interceptions they're getting some quality play outside at corner as well man gardner johnson is a recent acquisition for them and boy he has really got on the move and trained in a really impressive fashion he plays the nickel for him he blitzes quite a bit he's really good in underneath defense in man to man circumstances i think he's got three sacks as i mentioned their third down posture is an aggressive one they're in an up posture a lot they blitz and bring a lot of people gardner johnson being one of them but i'd be remiss if i didn't mention brisker as well he's a down safety that's in and around the line of scrimmage quite a bit i've known that young man a long time and got respect for his talents and his relationship with the game and the energy that.

[Dan Bernstein]

He plays with now there respect see mike tomlin is there to respect the bears defense yes he is yeah well he glossed over some of the issues they're having like stopping the run and.

[Matt Abeticola]

All that yeah but it's just it's interesting to hear a guy in the afc so he's not concerned about the bears as much or you know nfc teams obviously they have him on their schedule but to be that in depth at at this point of of the of the chicago bears when they're not really on their radar that's me over.

[Dan Bernstein]

Here what the hell is that i.

[Matt Abeticola]

Told you it's the ghost in my phone what is going on i tell you it just goes off i saw you look at your phone i'm like oh is it mine again it just like things start playing what do you mean like i have apps like audio apps and things just start playing on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Their own all right well i think your settings might need to be adjusted.

[Matt Abeticola]

I don't know how do i set the things to stop playing on your own turn ghost off ask marcus you're not going to ask an engineer of a radio station how to work my iphone what do you think they're there for to not help me being an.

[Dan Bernstein]

Idiot well if you had to download all these audio things because of your job it would be there oh no.

[Matt Abeticola]

It wasn't because of my job it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just stuff it was like a porno.

[Matt Abeticola]

Thing no it's not a porno audio app yeah i don't really like watching porno i just like listening to it i should make an app of just audio porn oh man that's really hot ow ow oh no wait all right i'm going to jot that down as our next million dollar idea our killer app audio only porn yes okay that's a good idea all right but it's just to have that while you know he's dealing with the issues this is morgan freeman now we get morgan freeman to voice it over wait and to reenact it maybe we get mike tomlin the way he like it's michael kane.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Matt Abeticola]

Jesus sorry so michael caine and morgan freeman doing porn for us on our audio only porn app yeah what would you call it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'Ll come up with it okay we'll figure it out let me let me just put that on the back burner and come up.

[Matt Abeticola]

With that how about.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't mean to derail you it was your phone's.

[Matt Abeticola]

Fault i almost called it port like portio porneo porneo i immediately thought of farming.

[Dan Bernstein]

Rub it up and down because.

[Matt Abeticola]

That'S what one does it's funny that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Now start talking about saint rita baseball.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yes more right there right there there it is that's the sweet spot listening to mike tomlin i thought he'd be good to like do audio children's books if we can take another turn straightforward yeah like like you had mike tomlin doing goodnight moon in the great green room there was a telephone and a red balloon and a picture of the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Cow jumping over yeah somebody's using that now there's a whole there's some company that's using the goodnight moon pacing with a good morning thing it's like a coffee or a pill or something i don't know what they're selling but it's.

[Matt Abeticola]

It'S something coffee or a pill something.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like that it's it's something you take in the morning yeah good morning this and good morning that and good morning this but it's all in the rhythm.

[Matt Abeticola]

You think he would scare children though yes you think kids will go to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bed faster well have you read that have you have you read the children's book go the fuck to sleep no it's read goodnight moon a lot hysterical.

[Matt Abeticola]

It'S hysterical go the fuck to sleep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes look it up it was when.

[Matt Abeticola]

I saw it get mike tomlin the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Reading that would work out loud when i read it oh boy you've never.

[Matt Abeticola]

Heard of it no i haven't read a children's book in a while oh.

[Dan Bernstein]

They have samuel l jackson reading it seriously yes yep the title of the.

[Matt Abeticola]

Book is there like a video of.

[Dan Bernstein]

It yeah it's on youtube but it's probably an ai reading i don't know or maybe it really is him i'm sure it's ai but it is the book go the fuck to sleep as if read by samuel l jackson okay yeah i happened to pick i saw it sitting there like a barnes and noble in old orchard and i picked it up i was howling it's great are you loading it in yeah i'm.

[Matt Abeticola]

Gonna give it a try oh no are you really yeah why not written.

[Dan Bernstein]

By adam manspack narrated by samuel l jackson.

[Samuel L. Jackson (audio clip)]

The cats nestle close to their kittens the lambs have laid down with the sheep you're cozy and warm in your bed my dear please go the fuck to sleep the windows are dark in the town child the whales huddle down in the deep i'll read you one very last book if you swear you'll go the fuck to sleep.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

The.

[Samuel L. Jackson (audio clip)]

Eagles who soar through the sky are at rest and the creatures who crawl run and creep i know you're not thirsty that's bullshit stop lying lie the fuck down my darling and sleep you've.

[Matt Abeticola]

Never heard this oh yeah the wind.

[Samuel L. Jackson (audio clip)]

Whispers soft through the grass hon the field mice they make not a peep it's been thirty eight minutes already jesus.

[Dan Bernstein]

Christ what the fuck go to sleep all right okay there's more but that's.

[Matt Abeticola]

It yeah that's what you made me think of i never heard of that that's good that's good stuff all right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'M so glad i'm removed now from that time in my life oh yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

Well now it's like don't give yourself.

[Dan Bernstein]

A concussion while you're playing video games.

[Matt Abeticola]

While drunk right well next year well not next year a couple years from now i'll be back to reading children's books to the grandkids grandkids you're gonna.

[Dan Bernstein]

Be like peter falk in princess bride i hope not yeah you are.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

Where.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was i was i oh yeah the shrieking eels that's right okay well i could stop here if you want you.

[Matt Abeticola]

Don'T like kissing all right mike tomlin on the bears offense and we'll get this back on track maybe yeah or we just ended right now just bail.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bye take care it's only wednesday what are we doing all right mike tomlin i'm which is this the bears offense.

[Matt Abeticola]

I guess all right let's hear it.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

And then on the offensive side of the ball okay certainly ben johnson challenges you schematically with his approach to ball is somewhat unique but it is a mode of operation they run the ball they have a commitment they have a two back system similar to what they had in detroit they have some highly successful perimeter runs like they also did in detroit they got some third down runs that they'll push away they're gadget oriented the reverse game is a big component of it as well all things that we saw from him in detroit they're doing a real good job of taking care of the ball on that side as well we got a defense that's got twenty two takeaways and i think you've only turned it over six times on offense you're going to be seven and three or something of that nature you're going to win a lot of football games and they have they do a great job of preserving the ball and protecting it i can't say enough about what i've seen from caleb williams certainly i had studied him a lot being in a young guy in this league and an nfc guy but just really impressed with his physical talents his ability to throw the football his accuracy his arm strength his ability to extend his ability to see the full field while doing so minimizing negativity the creativity associated with his escapability and play extension is really challenging it's not only challenging in stadium but to be quite honest with you it's challenging to duplicate in the process of prep i doubt will howard is going to give us a quality look at some of that stuff i've been looking at on tape for example he's got a full complement of eligibles to work with dj moore and others man are really impressive but he's also got some emerging young people and you feel the emergence of some of the young talent loveland obviously had a big game the other week against the bengals he's on the come and so is luther their young receiver from missouri it's just particularly as you get to this stage of the season some of these young talented people that people have a lot of draft capital invested in usually captures my attention they're usually finding their footing in this thing and their talents are starting to show up more consistently and so those are two lesser known guys that really have my attention as a study and watch tape and we're at the early stages of formulating a plan can't say enough about their commitment to the run game though they're number two in the league in russian and you can't underscore that but that's something that was very evident that commitment was very evident from his time in detroit as well couple of things.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay first my favorite thing both he says preserving the ball and protecting it.

[Matt Abeticola]

They preserve and protect how do you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like put it away they pickle it hermetically seal it or you brine it or you freeze it or you cure.

[Matt Abeticola]

It i think they pickle it you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can it you make preserves like mason jar right with pectin in there and some sugar they preserve the ball also luther the young receiver it sounds like he's a rapper a hip hop producer yeah right there's tyler the creator and there's luther the young receiver that would be a nom de guerre that he.

[Matt Abeticola]

Would give himself well maybe the police in pittsburgh they preserve and protect the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ball yeah yes the precious precious ball luther the young receiver that's a good bit for him that means he probably has to dress up funny if you have a name if you're like i don't know if you're if you were to be like maddie the podcaster wouldn't you have to wear like oversized hats no or like giant glasses i need.

[Matt Abeticola]

A better name than that that's not good so work on that work on our audio porn name too for our.

[Dan Bernstein]

App but i just think if you if you if you adopt the affectation name of something the something you have to dress sort of provocatively or artistically.

[Matt Abeticola]

Maybe just like in a giant diaper.

[Dan Bernstein]

That'S sure one way to do it.

[Matt Abeticola]

All the time just a diaper all.

[Dan Bernstein]

The time remember when that opened in arlington heights remember that joint where adults were showing up and putting diapers on and walking around remember that whole thing yeah we did a thing on the show about it about the diaper place no oh it's creepy and then and then what happened was a guy who listened to the show he went well one of one of the i'm not going to mention any names but one of the umpires for one of jason's games said something he's like hey you know that thing you were talking about about the adult the place where people go to wear diapers he goes one of the coaches in this league is one of those guys oh boy it's like no you got to tell me who's i'm not going to tell you and i'm still i'm still waiting to find out who it is i thought.

[Matt Abeticola]

You were saying that somebody went they.

[Dan Bernstein]

Saw terry hey buddy sir the diaper's not supposed to be on your head.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah on top of a book i.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don'T know buddy you do whatever you want there you rat bastard you can kiss a sick monkey's wet ass but.

[Matt Abeticola]

Mike tomlin spent more time rattle in each hand he spent more time talking about the bears than ben johnson is talking about any opponent in their first ten games yeah he gets in there.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't learn a whole lot other than they preserve the ball with luther the young receiver but okay all right.

[Matt Abeticola]

I got one other piece of audio for you good and this was from.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because i'm losing concentration apparently.

[Matt Abeticola]

Don'T worry.

[Dan Bernstein]

We'Re almost done no we're not no we are no we're not we're almost.

[Matt Abeticola]

Done more things on there i know.

[Dan Bernstein]

We'Re almost done no we're not just keep your focus we're only halfway give.

[Matt Abeticola]

Me another twelve minutes i think i.

[Dan Bernstein]

Might have that in me i don't.

[Matt Abeticola]

Know so i was going through audio of of the minnesota vikings and caught matt daniels matt daniels they're special that's a good football name right there special teams coordinator he had a i think a three or four year career in the nfl okay he's been the special teams coordinator since twenty twenty two and this was matt daniels meeting with the media after the bears game not immediately after within monday or tuesday and talking about duvernay's kick return that set up the winning field goal be quite honest.

[Matt Daniels (audio clip)]

With you i've been in the league now eight years played football a long time in this league and i've never felt the way i felt after that football game never because you just look at the play what happened and again you just rather get beat a different way i just rather lose a different way like if they took that ball up the sideline and hit it on us you know i would be able to live with that but yeah it.

[Matt Abeticola]

Was tough they blocked it up pretty.

[Matt Daniels (audio clip)]

Well yeah yeah but i mean there was you know no no disrespect or anything a lot of respect for what the chicago bears you know their unit devin duvernay artists and that but but i mean it could have been anybody you know son if you got a son or anybody like i mean all he did was just catch it and run back to the field you know and you know everybody just kind of got washed inside and it wasn't anything that they did more so than a lack of us maintaining our leverage and keeping the football on inside shoulders no.

[Matt Abeticola]

Disrespect though so what do you think.

[Dan Bernstein]

Of that yeah no no disrespect to those great chicago bears but somebody's kid could have done that right which is him saying how bad his unit was still you don't want to have a.

[Matt Abeticola]

Bad unit but but i thought it was odd that i'd prefer to lose any other way like if you'd have taken it to the house i'd have been okay with that really i'd rather have sideline i'd rather have you stop my guy and then try to defend a fifty four yard field goal or forty eight yard field goal i was weird i don't know it was weird.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right i don't know it was a little weird but no no disrespect but they didn't do anything and anybody could have done that even your kid could.

[Matt Abeticola]

Have done it all he did was catch the ball and run up the field isn't that what a kickoff return is coach catching the ball and running up the field i mean all he did was catch the ball and run up the field all he did was return the kickoff like what is a return then coach is it catching the ball and running up the field well.

[Dan Bernstein]

If it were then all these guys would lose their phony baloney jobs so.

[Matt Abeticola]

Then basically anybody's kid could do that because all he did was catch the ball and run up the field well.

[Dan Bernstein]

They'Re sure paid him a lot of.

[Matt Abeticola]

Money for it so maybe he has a different understanding of what a kickoff return is i don't know i learned.

[Dan Bernstein]

It interesting take that's a very interesting take that he was that miserable because of how they lost because he returned.

[Matt Abeticola]

The kick because i'm pretty sure in that vikings game they had kick returns and they caught the ball and ran.

[Dan Bernstein]

Up the field right yes multiple they.

[Matt Abeticola]

Didn'T do it any special way they weren't you know declan doyle with some unorthodox you know strategies and plan hightower wouldn't it like did they well he was the unorthodox guy though like did they maybe i don't maybe in other games the vikings returners have caught the ball and ran backwards or they've spun around on top of down in place.

[Dan Bernstein]

They didn't move i don't know or just ran in a circle i like.

[Matt Abeticola]

The idea of catching and just jumping.

[Dan Bernstein]

Up and down it's outside the box.

[Matt Abeticola]

What'D you do as a defender he'd be like what the fuck is this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Guy doing it are you okay man.

[Matt Abeticola]

They don't tackle him right they just.

[Dan Bernstein]

Got boing boing boing boing i've never seen this before well this is really.

[Matt Abeticola]

Interesting oh the bears all they do is catch it and run up the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Field okay is that what he said to his boss i don't know what.

[Matt Abeticola]

Happened in that play i don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know the guy caught it he ran off the field.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

Really threw.

[Dan Bernstein]

Us for a loop take it up.

[Matt Abeticola]

With him we weren't expecting that that's.

[Dan Bernstein]

What they're expecting us to do we.

[Matt Abeticola]

Thought he'd catch it in the stand there so we could tackle him we didn't know he's gonna run hey look.

[Dan Bernstein]

Team does something you've never seen before.

[Matt Abeticola]

Tip your cap to him like how are we supposed to defend that coach.

[Dan Bernstein]

He caught it and ran i don't.

[Matt Abeticola]

Know what do you want me to do run down there and tackle him.

[Dan Bernstein]

What do you want our guys to.

[Matt Abeticola]

Do pursue him there was this it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was so weird that's a little strange yeah i think you know it is it's inside special teams coordinator stuff all the other special teams court is like.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yep yep you tell him yeah i know hi i've been there i don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Know there must be something we're missing on that yeah if he'd gone up the sideline and scored great would have.

[Matt Abeticola]

Been fine with that but not the fact that we stopped him and then they kicked a field goal and we.

[Dan Bernstein]

Won maybe maybe the next vikings opponent should try that sideline thing well only if the game we know that's going.

[Matt Abeticola]

To happen only if the game is in with in like within reach and.

[Dan Bernstein]

They can win you're taking up a sideline and score like we we we know we can't stop that but that.

[Mike Tomlin (audio clips)]

One the whole running it right up.

[Dan Bernstein]

The field thing caught caught us by surprise it was like just a unicorn of a play right there thank you by the way to beerchurch as always for being dear friends and supporters of everything we're doing here at three hundred and twelve sports and forward progress and you got to get there there's never a bad time to go hang out there on the patio watch games drink some of their fabulous craft brews that they make in small batches and they love to tell you about it i ask everybody about it they can bring it tastes and they can pair it with whatever you're eating and when you start looking at the menu the hymnal drink eat repent repeat you're gonna wanna order everything on here so do that do multiple trips and order everything on here that's my recommendation because i've tried much of this and it's all amazing all their breads everything baked in house they call it their communion bread their wings are fantastic the pork shank pops are an asian presentation with like a a soy marinade and a plum sauce and green onions and they're fantastic i should have had those pork shanks you.

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[Dan Bernstein]

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[Matt Abeticola]

Cam scatterboo the giants running back who the bears did not see he's back in the news what'd he do a little bit well he didn't he wasn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Poking his head in the injury tent.

[Matt Abeticola]

No he wasn't okay get the hell.

[Dan Bernstein]

Out you're fine get out of there.

[Matt Abeticola]

What he did was attended wwe's monday night raw at msg that's madison square.

[Dan Bernstein]

Garden yeah they were talking a lot about it for the duke kansas game and going back through history and pointing out all the amazing things that have happened it really is a great place to watch a basketball game my favorite.

[Matt Abeticola]

Place when we were there in last december almost a year ago and saw the knicks and the pistons play it was i was really blown away how how special it was being there i didn't think it would impact me as much as it did but it was it was it was pretty it was pretty special to be there at msg watch a game i didn't i didn't think i would be what it was and it certainly was and the fact that that it was nick's homecoming night and they lost and kate cunningham had a triple double made it even better so he was at wwe's monday night raw so that's wwe's mnr at msg dan he was there with teammates abdul carter and roy robertson harris okay he was going back and forth with one of the wrestlers during a skit which the wrestler then pushed him he was behind a barrier pushed scatterboo and then scatterboo pushed the wrestler as well the clip then going viral okay a handful of local radio hosts blasted scatter boo for risking his health by taking part in the show oh no scatterboo took to social media to defend himself he said honestly if you don't like that i'm having a good time while dealing with a tough time then just go ahead and unfollow and casually move on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Risking his health how by being pushed.

[Matt Abeticola]

And then pushing back do they know.

[Dan Bernstein]

This stuff is all choreographed like what do they think the risk was that he was going to be involved in some sort of melee that would break.

[Matt Abeticola]

Out i would hope they know that.

[Dan Bernstein]

It'S it's scripted oh my god in an act and a skit it's a bit this is like the people that were mad at jake hutler for walking up the stairs at a restaurant after he left the nfc championship game with a knee sprain oh i remember remember.

[Matt Abeticola]

That yes that's or or or people.

[Dan Bernstein]

Were mad at carlos zambrano for going out to dinner the night he got kicked out of a game for inciting a brawl what is he doing i.

[Matt Abeticola]

Forgot about the jay cutler thing that's right people were lunatics that he walked up the stairs like how could he walk up the stairs if he was.

[Dan Bernstein]

Too injured to play because oh god i don't i didn't a handful not just one loopy host yeah this is.

[Matt Abeticola]

From nfl dot com it says a handful of local radio hosts i haven't gone online to take a look and see what kind of grief he received but he said he says i'm not able to play football and have fun i've been having my whole the fun i've been having my whole life so i am doing things outside the box trying to find stuff to keep me happy okay enjoy the rest of yalls week and just don't talk about me if you ain't got nothing nice to say scatter boo wore a jersey of rangers enforcer matt rempe no idea who he is if he currently plays or played before recovering from that broken right fibula dislocated right ankle after getting hurt in really bad loss to the eagles.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah so it's full of pins and everything and how did he endanger his.

[Matt Abeticola]

Health i don't know he's supposed to be just sitting at home on a big cloud and not moving you think.

[Dan Bernstein]

He'S not ambulatory that he's not going through physical therapy every day you know.

[Matt Abeticola]

What though and i like what he said honestly if you don't like that i'm having a good time while dealing with a tough time then just go ahead and unfollow and casually move on a little bit of insight there about what he's going through mentally right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah good for him for sharing and.

[Matt Abeticola]

For sharing that i mean yeah he didn't obviously go any deeper than that but you can read between the lines and i can't imagine what he's going through mentally right now having the start of his career that he was having having it taken away by a gruesome injury and he just wants to get his mind off things and he goes to a game with a couple or to an event with a couple teammates they see that he's there they know that he's coming whatever it might be.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they call and they say hey.

[Matt Abeticola]

Do you want to get involved piece.

[Dan Bernstein]

Of a work yeah you're going to.

[Matt Abeticola]

Push a wrestler a restaurant between a barrier you'll push a guy he'll push you you want to be part of.

[Dan Bernstein]

That there was a barrier yeah yeah.

[Matt Abeticola]

It'S not like he was in the ring no no he's he's a fan probably in the front row you know they have those big barriers whether they're the gates or you know look like roadblock type things and like a k rail yeah you're behind that wrestlers out there and maybe part of the skit brought the wrestler to that area and scatter boo said something and then he said something to scatter boo and then they push each other you've seen that hundreds of times if you watch a.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wrestling event and that endangered his health.

[Matt Abeticola]

Yeah that's what a handful of local radio hosts blasted scatterboo god but i just you know made me feel bad for him yeah that like what he's going through like because like we don't think about that as as fans of these athletes that all they are is assets to us watching games and particularly with fantasy football how that's overtaken so much of what we do with football.

[Dan Bernstein]

Prop bets and all the death threats from the prop bets yeah but i.

[Matt Abeticola]

Mean even like i stopped playing fantasy this is the first time i played fantasy in probably ten years twelve years here with our hubbard group but i remember it was a broncos receiver that got injured and was out and my thing had cost me like a playoff appearance or during the playoffs i remember getting pissed and i'm like all right well this isn't good i'm going to stop doing this it's stupid but it just it i felt bad for him reading what he wrote on twitter that dealing with a tough time just what he's going through mentally what he's lost for his rookie season and then people are going to criticize him for being a part of a scripted skit for.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wrestling that would be like criticizing him for appearing in a play yes no i'm not kidding yeah like if he.

[Matt Abeticola]

Were in make an appearance on some broadway thing in new york some special.

[Dan Bernstein]

Thing the final scene of hamlet or something when everybody's getting killed he could have endangered his health okay fine we should just encase him in bubble wrap plastic and put him somewhere because he's not allowed to do anything all right whatever that's just too bad people know better i hope that people that did anybody who was did anybody saying that actually believe that or did they think it was just something you were supposed to say i don't know people just.

[Matt Abeticola]

Want to rile people out meatball out.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah it's low common denominator stuff yep all right well that does it for forward progress does it not thankfully yes no i what the fuck i thought it was fun i want to go back and hear the samuel l jackson.

[Matt Abeticola]

Oh i think i'm gonna listen on the train on the train ride home it's really fun does it pick up and get more aggressive okay not only.

[Dan Bernstein]

That it gets more realistic about the way a kid actually behaves like when he was starting he's like you don't you're not thirsty don't don't try that on me it keeps going down that road a little bit yeah it is very wise as far as the time of toddlers and i'm going to get wistful because i miss them of that stuff but that is forward progress a chicago bears podcast on three hundred and twelve sports.

[Matt Abeticola]

Forward progress a chicago bears podcast with dan bernstein and matt abeticola on three one two sports.

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