Podcast
Fractional CMO Show
Hosted by Casey Stanton · EN
Marketers of the world! Why do we work hard to solve small problems?
Why do we reinvent ourselves and our clients over and over, and why are we giving away marketing strategy for free?
With advancements in AI, we're all seeing the marketing department shrink from the bottom-up and companies need YOU to serve them as their Fractional Chief Marketing Officer.
It's time to solve bigger problems and bring home bigger paychecks. It's time to create the lifestyle we deserve, and to make a greater impact.
This is the Fractional CMO Show and I'm Casey Stanton.
Join me as we explore this growing industry and learn to Solve Bigger Problems as marketing leaders
The Fractional CMO Show is sponsored by CMOx, the number one company to teach you how to attract, convert and serve high-paying Fractional CMO clients on your terms.
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Lunch Q&A with Casey
3d ago01:17:07Tap to summarizeWhat happens when experienced marketers get honest about where they're stuck and ask for unfiltered coaching on how to move forward? That's the premise of this episode, and the answers get uncomfortable in the best way. The questions are real, the resistance is real, and so is the pushback. What gets unpacked is a pattern that shows up again and again across marketers trying to build a fractional practice: the gap between what they're capable of and what they're willing to charge, who they're willing to walk away from, and what kind of clients they actually deserve to be working with. The episode opens with a marketer who loves startups and keeps hitting the same wall, and it doesn't let up from there. Key Topics Covered: Why working with clients who can't fund your strategy is a game you can't win The total addressable market test: if you can't get them on a list, it's not a niche Turning a discovery call into a 30-day paid strategy engagement Imposter syndrome and why "I've never done this before" is not a disqualifier How to price for equity deals without getting burned Why niching down inside an industry outperforms being a generalist every time The CMO's job versus the implementer's job as AI keeps raising the floor Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 👉 CMOx.com/call Join the Fractional CMO Community Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community
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Finding Your Villian
2w ago00:11:57Tap to summarizeMost fractional CMOs aren't struggling because they're lazy or undisciplined. They're struggling because they keep solving the wrong size of problem, and the market is about to make that very expensive. This episode draws a sharp line between the work that keeps you busy and the work that actually moves you forward, and the gap between those two things is wider than most people want to admit. What gets unpacked is why so many experienced marketers are one AI wave away from being fully replaceable, and what it actually looks like to operate at a level where that stops being true. The argument isn't comfortable, but it's the one worth sitting with. Key Topics Covered: Why discipline isn't your problem The real enemy holding back your income How AI is quietly eliminating small-problem work What "solving bigger problems" actually looks like in practice The difference between collecting dots and connecting them Why branding before leads kills client relationships The one question to ask yourself about your next big move 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 👉 CMOx.com/call 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community
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Taste, Discernment, Experience: Why AI Won't Replace You (But It Might Expose You)
3w ago00:08:49Tap to summarizeAI's arrival in the marketing department isn't the threat most fractional CMOs think it is. The episode opens with a provocation: the marketers who are scared of AI are scared for the wrong reasons, and the ones who are leaning into it with the wrong instincts are making a mistake that's harder to walk back. What gets unpacked is the real role that experience, taste, and discernment play when every company is suddenly being pitched a hundred new tools they may or may not need. Casey draws a sharp line between what fractional CMOs should be doing with AI and what they should absolutely leave to someone else. The argument about where your time and judgment belong, and why being the responsible party at the top is the safest place to be in a market that's shifting fast, is the spine of the whole episode. Key Topics Covered: Why AI is a gift for fractional CMOs, not a threat The critical difference between building software and defining what you need Why taste and discernment are your most valuable pitch right now How to be the responsible party when every vendor is selling AI urgency Positioning yourself for clients who actually need a CMO in the seat The danger of over-complicating a practice that works best when it's simple What in-demand fractional CMOs are building inside the CMOx Accelerator right now 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 👉 CMOx.com/call 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community
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Simplicity: Why You're Too Smart for Your Own Good
4w ago00:15:22Tap to summarizeThe argument is a counterintuitive one: the thing holding most experienced marketers back isn't a lack of knowledge or skill. It's something they'd never think to look for. The episode opens with a challenge, think of someone in your life who isn't as smart as you, yet is more successful, less stressed, and more free, and then builds the case for why that gap exists and what's actually responsible for it. In this week's podcast, Casey explores a pattern that shows up constantly in fractional CMO practices: smart people taking on more, adding more, learning more, and wondering why they can't break through. The answer isn't more information. The episode makes the case that there's one quality doing more work than intelligence ever could, and most high-performers are actively avoiding it. Key Topics Covered: Why intelligence can become a ceiling instead of an asset Client volume and the hidden cost of too many relationships Dunbar's number and what it means for your practice Replacing clients vs. adding clients to grow revenue Simplicity in contracts, payment terms, and rates Why niche context-switching keeps you thin and underdelivering No partners, no complex subcontracting arrangements How to stop taking on work that doesn't fit just because it's money
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Niche Finding Strategy: How to Find the Clients Who Actually Need You
May 500:12:52Tap to summarizeThe hardest thing about building a fractional CMO practice isn't the marketing work itself. It's knowing how to talk about what you do in a way that makes the right clients say "that's exactly what I need" before you've even finished the sentence. This episode gets into the mechanics of positioning a fractional CMO practice, why most practitioners get it wrong from the start, and what it actually costs them in clients, income, and time. Casey unpacks the difference between positioning that sounds good and positioning that converts. Vague, service-centered language is the single biggest reason experienced marketers struggle to land clients at the rates they want, and Casey shares what to do instead, with specific frameworks and real examples pulled from over a decade of building and coaching fractional CMO practices. Key Topics Covered: Why most fractional CMOs position around services instead of outcomes The difference between a niche and a specialty, and why it matters How to identify the clients who are ready to hire now Pricing as a positioning signal, not just a revenue decision The mistake of trying to appeal to every business that needs marketing help How to use your positioning to pre-qualify clients before the first call What the highest-earning fractional CMOs have in common when they talk about what they do
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What Leadership Looks Like in the Age of AI
Apr 2800:25:17Tap to summarizeThe marketing department is shrinking from the bottom up, and most fractional CMOs are running straight into the part that's getting cut. In this episode, Casey breaks down the one quality that separates the CMOs who keep their seat from the ones AI is about to replace, and it isn't strategy, an AI tool stack, or a $29 a month SaaS tool you build on the weekend. It's leadership. The bigger picture is that AI is shifting the entire stack. Manus can run meta ads. ChatGPT Image 2.0 handles the creative. Claude can rip headlines on demand. The implementer roles are vanishing, compute costs are climbing, and the models are getting nerfed in real time. What stays valuable is the human with taste, discernment, and the spine to be accountable when something breaks. The chef tasting the sauce, not the line cook making it. The CMOs who'll thrive are the ones who can sit beside the CEO and the CFO in a quarterly meeting and own the outcome with the same weight everyone else owns theirs. Key Topics Covered: Why "leadership" is the one quality separating long tenured fractional CMOs from the ones who churn out every six months The BP CEO and Deepwater Horizon, and what real responsibility looks like inside a marketing department How to tell if a business actually needs a CMO or just needs leads (and why the dentist example matters) Why the marketing department is shrinking from the bottom up and which roles AI is eating first The role of taste and discernment in a marketing landscape full of AI generated slop How Casey raised his rates 50% on a single client and got hired anyway 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 📅 Schedule your call today: 👉 CMOx.com/call We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community Looking forward to seeing you inside! 🚀 🎙️ Stay Ahead with the Fractional CMO Show 🎙️ Want to unlock the secrets of marketing success? Subscribe to the podcast and gain exclusive insights from industry leaders and experts! 👉 CMOx.com/podcast Got questions? We'd love to hear them! Submit your questions for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode: 👉 FractionalCMOShow.com Subscribe today and start leveling up your marketing game! 📚 Master the Game with These Must-Read Books 📚 Want to go deeper and build a high-impact marketing career on your terms? These two books from Casey Stanton are your blueprint. The Fractional CMO Method Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller. Learn how to attract, convert, and serve high-paying clients while staying focused on strategy and leadership. 👉 CMOx.com/book Find Your CMO Hiring a CMO? This guide helps CEOs and founders understand what great marketing leadership looks like—and how to find the right fit. 👉 CMOx.com/find-your-cmo Connect with Casey Stanton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseystanton/ Website: https://caseystanton.com/
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Selling AI-First Fractional CMO Services
Apr 2100:26:50Tap to summarizeAI is moving fast. So why are so many fractional CMOs spending their nights vibe coding SaaS tools that nobody's paying for? In this episode, Casey draws a hard line between eating your dinner and eating dessert — and explains why most marketers are choosing the wrong one. He breaks down the two camps: the ones who feel behind and don't know how to talk about AI without sounding lost, and the ones who can't stop tinkering long enough to close a client. Neither extreme wins. What wins is knowing enough to lead — and selling that leadership at a price that reflects it. But here's the positioning trap Casey flags early: don't walk into a prospect conversation rattling off a hundred AI use cases like you're reading from a feature list. The CMO who says "I do a thousand things with AI" gets tuned out. The CMO who says "here are the three things I'd tackle with AI so we don't have to hire for them" gets hired. Specificity is confidence. Overwhelm is not. Because AI doesn't have taste. It doesn't have discernment. It doesn't have experience. And without those three things in the room, your client is already heading toward a slop loop — generating garbage that looks like growth until it isn't. That's why the market needs you more right now than it ever has, not as the person who builds the tools, but as the person who decides whether to use them. Key Topics Covered: The two camps fractional CMOs fall into — and why both are leaving money on the table What the "$6 Uber era" of AI compute means for how fast you need to move with clients The three things AI will never have — and why your clients are paying for exactly those What a slop loop looks like before it becomes obvious (and why it's your job to see it coming) Why vibe coding gives you dopamine but not dollars How to talk about AI in a pitch without overwhelming a prospect or underselling yourself The one-line positioning shift that turns "you're smart" into "I want to bet on you" 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 📅 Schedule your call today: 👉 CMOx.com/call We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community Looking forward to seeing you inside! 🚀 🎙️ Stay Ahead with the Fractional CMO Show 🎙️ Want to unlock the secrets of marketing success? Subscribe to the podcast and gain exclusive insights from industry leaders and experts! 👉 CMOx.com/podcast Got questions? We'd love to hear them! Submit your questions for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode: 👉 FractionalCMOShow.com Subscribe today and start leveling up your marketing game! 📚 Master the Game with These Must-Read Books 📚 Want to go deeper and build a high-impact marketing career on your terms? These two books from Casey Stanton are your blueprint. The Fractional CMO Method Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller. Learn how to attract, convert, and serve high-paying clients while staying focused on strategy and leadership. 👉 CMOx.com/book Find Your CMO Hiring a CMO? This guide helps CEOs and founders understand what great marketing leadership looks like—and how to find the right fit. 👉 CMOx.com/find-your-cmo Start reading and take control of your marketing future. Connect with Casey Stanton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseystanton/ Website: https://caseystanton.com/
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The 5-Part Marketing Team All Fractional CMOs Must Build
Apr 1400:21:08Tap to summarizeAs a Fractional CMO, you're not supposed to do everything. So who — or what — does? In this episode, Casey breaks down the five-resource allocation framework: the exact model he uses to staff a marketing department without becoming the person who handles it all. He walks through each layer in plain terms — full-time hires, contractors, agencies, fractional talent, and AI agents. When to use each one. Where they break down. And how to sequence them so your 10 hours of CMO time actually multiplies into 40, 80, or more hours of output. The goal isn't to be cheaper. It's to be faster. But here's the trap Casey flags early: don't walk into a client engagement waving your AI toolkit like a merit badge. The CMO who leads with "look what I can automate" is solving the wrong problem. Your job is to build a marketing department that works — full-time people as the foundation, everything else layered on top when it earns its place. Agents aren't automations. Agencies aren't contractors. And your client's bookkeeper definitely isn't your fractional CFO. The distinctions matter, and Casey makes them clear. Key Topics Covered: What a "marketing technician" is — and why it's your ideal first hire The Upwork trick that tells you if a contractor is quoting you honestly Why agencies are mercenaries (and when that's exactly what you need) The difference between an automation and an agent — and why your clients need to understand it How to use AI to replace tasks, not people — and move your team to the next layer Why you should never let a six-month agency renewal sneak up on you The dangerous place CMOs end up when they become the "AI person" on the team 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 📅 Schedule your call today: 👉 CMOx.com/call We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community Looking forward to seeing you inside! 🚀 🎙️ Stay Ahead with the Fractional CMO Show 🎙️ Want to unlock the secrets of marketing success? Subscribe to the podcast and gain exclusive insights from industry leaders and experts! 👉 CMOx.com/podcast Got questions? We'd love to hear them! Submit your questions for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode: 👉 FractionalCMOShow.com Subscribe today and start leveling up your marketing game! 📚 Master the Game with These Must-Read Books 📚 Want to go deeper and build a high-impact marketing career on your terms? These two books from Casey Stanton are your blueprint. The Fractional CMO Method Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller. Learn how to attract, convert, and serve high-paying clients while staying focused on strategy and leadership. 👉 CMOx.com/book Find Your CMO Hiring a CMO? This guide helps CEOs and founders understand what great marketing leadership looks like—and how to find the right fit. 👉 CMOx.com/find-your-cmo Start reading and take control of your marketing future. Connect with Casey Stanton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseystanton/ Website: https://caseystanton.com/
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Claude Code for Fractional CMOx
Apr 701:09:35Tap to summarizeAI isn't just changing how marketers work — it's changing who gets to work at all. In this episode, Casey goes live inside Claude Code and builds a full conference PowerPoint from a single prompt. The product is fake. The lesson is very real. He walks through the whole thing in plain language — no coding, no agency, no waiting. Deck built. Formatting fixed. Converted to a scrollable website. Uploaded to a server. And the whole time, the bigger point is hanging in the air: if you can do this, what exactly are you still paying people to do? But Casey pumps the brakes. Nerding out on AI tools is the dessert. Winning clients, commanding premium rates, and solving big problems — that's the meal. The CMOs pulling $40–50K a month aren't the ones with the coolest tech stack. They're the ones who knew when to pick up the tool and when to put it down. Key Topics Covered: - Why Casey calls this "separation season" — and which side of it you want to be on - What Claude Code can do that writing LinkedIn posts with AI cannot - How to build, fix, and iterate on AI outputs using plain language - The automation vs. agent distinction your clients actually need - Why choosing one platform and committing beats chasing the best tool - Why AI is dessert — and what the meal is for Fractional CMOs 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 📅 Schedule your call today: 👉 CMOx.com/call We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community Looking forward to seeing you inside! 🚀 🎙️ Stay Ahead with the Fractional CMO Show 🎙️ Want to unlock the secrets of marketing success? Subscribe to the podcast and gain exclusive insights from industry leaders and experts! 👉 CMOx.com/podcast Got questions? We'd love to hear them! Submit your questions for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode: 👉 FractionalCMOShow.com Subscribe today and start leveling up your marketing game! 📚 Master the Game with These Must-Read Books 📚 Want to go deeper and build a high-impact marketing career on your terms? These two books from Casey Stanton are your blueprint. The Fractional CMO Method Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller. Learn how to attract, convert, and serve high-paying clients while staying focused on strategy and leadership. 👉 CMOx.com/book Find Your CMO Hiring a CMO? This guide helps CEOs and founders understand what great marketing leadership looks like—and how to find the right fit. 👉 CMOx.com/find-your-cmo Start reading and take control of your marketing future. Connect with Casey Stanton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseystanton/ Website: https://caseystanton.com/
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Separation Season
Mar 3100:27:12Tap to summarizeWe're in separation season—and Casey wants you to feel that. In this episode, he breaks down why the rise of AI isn't just a productivity upgrade, it's a fundamental reshaping of entire industries. The fractional CMOs who thrive won't be the most experienced. They'll be the ones who understand what's actually happening and move accordingly. Casey walks through the legal world's e-discovery transformation as a case study—what used to take two months and a team of paralegals can now be done in 48 hours. That's not an efficiency gain. That's a category collapse. And the same thing is coming for your clients' industries. Your job is to figure out where, and get there first. Key Topics Covered: - Why Casey calls this moment "separation season"—and what that means for your book of business - How AI is collapsing entire job categories, not just streamlining them - Why using AI to write social media posts is like using a knife to pick your teeth - Why chasing the "best" AI tool is a distraction from the real work - Why keeping your options open is actually the weakest move - What fractional CMOs should be doing with their thinking time right now 🌟 Take the First Step Toward Growth with CMOx 🌟 Booking a call with our team is super easy, stress-free, and all about YOU. Whether you're exploring options or ready to scale, this no-pressure consultation is designed to understand your needs and guide you in the right direction. 📅 Schedule your call today: 👉 CMOx.com/call We'll make sure this is the most productive (and effortless) decision you've made for your business. Let's talk about strategy and success! 🤝 Join the Fractional CMO Community 🤝 Want to continue the conversation and get access to exclusive resources? Join our free Facebook group for fractional CMOs and marketing leaders! Inside, you'll find discussions, insights, and tools to help you grow your business and maximize your impact. 👉 CMOx.com/community Looking forward to seeing you inside! 🚀 🎙️ Stay Ahead with the Fractional CMO Show 🎙️ Want to unlock the secrets of marketing success? Subscribe to the podcast and gain exclusive insights from industry leaders and experts! 👉 CMOx.com/podcast Got questions? We'd love to hear them! Submit your questions for a chance to be featured on an upcoming episode: 👉 FractionalCMOShow.com Subscribe today and start leveling up your marketing game! 📚 Master the Game with These Must-Read Books 📚 Want to go deeper and build a high-impact marketing career on your terms? These two books from Casey Stanton are your blueprint. The Fractional CMO Method Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller. Learn how to attract, convert, and serve high-paying clients while staying focused on strategy and leadership. 👉 CMOx.com/book Find Your CMO Hiring a CMO? This guide helps CEOs and founders understand what great marketing leadership looks like—and how to find the right fit. 👉 CMOx.com/find-your-cmo Start reading and take control of your marketing future. Connect with Casey Stanton: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseystanton/ Website: https://caseystanton.com/
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