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Hi, this is Free Thinking through the fourth turning. My name is Sacha Stone. Donald the Great. How will history record this moment? Heroes are in short supply in America at a time when we need them the most. Hollywood can't deliver them anymore, that's for sure. They're too ashamed of themselves and their history to remember how heroes seem to be a matter of interpretation, like everything else in our two Americas. But one thing was certain. On October 13, Donald Trump was a hero that day. He was a hero because whatever it is that defines Donald Trump, he was not going to give up on those last remaining hostages. He would bring them home, and he found the best people who could get the job done. And with help from leaders all over the world, we watched a miracle. What a difference a president makes. Instead of watching bodies falling off airplanes with 13 soldiers dead in the Afghanistan withdrawal, now we were watching hostages rushing into the waiting arms of their families.
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We are at war for the narrative of what we all just lived through over the past 10 years. It's like that line in the song from Hamilton. Who lives, who dies? Who tells your story? Who will tell it? How will it be written about in history books? If one half of America tells the story of Donald the Terrible and the other half tells the story of Donald the Great, who wins? How will it be preserved on Google, YouTube, and AI? Here is what I know for sure. Trump isn't Hitler. He isn't a fascist. He isn't a dictator. Whatever else he is, the left has been lying about him. They lie in the legacy media, they lie on social media. They lie to themselves. I know because I lied, too. I lied because it was socially acceptable, even encouraged. The bigger the lie, the greater the reward. Over the past five years, I learned something about myself I never knew until Trump. I'm someone who cares about the truth. And that became a problem for me. If I wanted to stay inside Utopia. The more questions I asked, the louder and stronger the attacks against me became. I was to accept the lies. Or else it matters how we tell the story of Donald Trump and the political machine that tried and failed to destroy him. That doesn't mean Trump is perfect or that he doesn't create chaos and push boundaries that can sometimes offend or insult people. However, it does mean telling the truth about him and ensuring his legacy is recorded in history as one of the greatest stories ever told and the most exciting time any of us will ever live. Through Donald the Terrible, you might have to be like me, someone who has spent 30 years online to understand how the left could become so disconnected from reality for so long, they exist inside a perfectly contained bubble that perpetuates confirmation bias through a media social media feedback loop. Social media and now AI are new technologies that we must somehow survive. Even though they often deceive us into thinking that what we see and read reflects reality, it doesn't. AI is a reflection of everything that has already been written. We must work hard to influence it because it will reflect the lies. Our story begins in 2008 with the election of Barack Obama, as well as the dawn of the iPhone, Twitter and Facebook, not to mention the Wall street bailout that gave rise to two populist movements and sparked the crisis that led to the fourth Turning. We had the opportunity to build a new America. A shining woketopia on the hill with new rules of language and behavior. One big soup of humanity that required us all to find our tribal identifiers. Class went out the window, as did the free market and the silent majority. Identity became a means by which we ranked ourselves and others. Obama was our leader. And as wealth and power shifted leftward and society began migrating online, the Democrats amassed an unprecedented amount of power. And if you were living like this, you felt like you were at the cutting edge of something brand new. We were not only leading the country, but also the world. The problem was not only had we abandoned much of America without even realizing it, assuming everyone would be on board with our new direction, but also that we did not build our house of bricks. We cultivated victimhood and fragility, which made us ill equipped to deal with the rise of Donald Trump. He was our ogre, rampaging through the quiet countryside while we stayed locked behind the castle walls, terrified that he might storm through the gates. Our comedians became our court jesters, and the legacy media delivered only news that was acceptable to the ruling elite. Hollywood reflected our singular hysteria. We had our magic mirror to tell us always who is the fairest of them all. Had there not been a big lie that consumed us, that Donald the Terrible was an existential threat, maybe we'd have been okay. But when at long last, Donald the Terrible was pushed out of office and Joe Biden was installed as a placeholder for our king, Barack Obama, the Democrats couldn't deliver. They showed the people that they still didn't care about them, that they would double down on their same toxic policies and force all of us to live under their increasingly strident rules. The border was open. Crime was rampant, thanks to Defund the police. Gender ideology was not only a full blown contagion out of control. But no one was allowed to even talk about it. Here is Victor Davis Hanson.
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Why are they so angry? Why isn't this the old party of Bill Clinton or even the party of Barack Obama? One, they have no institutional power. They do not have the House. They do not have the Senate. They do not have the White House. They do not have the Supreme Court. They do not have the issues. There are 30, 70, 20, 80 issues and they're on the wrong side. Have a plebiscite because the people would vote against men in women's sports. People would vote against defund the police. People would get vote against the Green New Deal. People would vote against the foreign policy that we've seen from Afghanistan to the Middle East. So they're angry. They have no power. Two, this time Donald Trump is not looking at symptoms or manifestations of the procurement project, the progressive project. No, no, no. He's not just saying we're going to address the border. We're not going to. He's not just saying we have to deal with crime or the economy. He's trying to say how things got out of control the last 50 years. How did we get to a point where people actually believe biological men should compete in women's sports? How do they actually believe you could let in 12,000 people a day? How did you actually believe that you could let people loot stores with no consequences? And he came up with a solution. What are the sources of democratic power? It's the universities. That's where people are indoctrinated. 95% of the faculty are hard left. It's the foundations that fund all of these groups. It's the media, cbs, abc, NBC, pbs, npr. It's the corporate boardroom. So Donald Trump decided that he was going to go after the universities and hold them to account. Their endowments, tax federal grants reduced to 15% overcharges, follow the civil rights law rules or lose all of your federal money. No separation by race and graduations themes, etc. Two lawsuits have been settled with CBS and ABC. About the media. They're very wary now of simply smearing and slandering and tell the untruth. There's a third reason of a third source of the anger of the Democratic Party and the left in general. Donald Trump is successful. Had the Wall Street Journal and the other prognosticators been correct in March, we wouldn't have this violence. They said Donald Trump would cause a recession. They said that his trade talk and tariff wars would cause the stock market to permanently or at least this year crash. They said we were going to have a recession. What happened? Jobs are up, inflation's low, tariff income is increased. The economy, GDP is growing. It didn't happen. They said that if Donald Trump bombed the installations in Iran, we would have a theater wide war 25 minutes and a ceasefire the next day. I could go on, but Donald Trump is having an amazing success. He stopped all illegal immigration at the border. There's zero. We were told you could not get 50,000 missing recruits back into the military. He did that. They're already back. And so to review, the left is going crazy because they can't enact their progressive agenda through any political method. There's no avenue for them to pass a law or an executive order or a Supreme Court decision. They're angry because they thought that even though they didn't have these levers of power, they could use these other institutions, cultural, social, economic, political foundations, universities, K12 media support. And now Donald Trump is going after them. And third, they thought Donald Trump would fail and he'd be a buffoon. And he succeeded in a more dramatic fashion than any president in the last 50 years. In his first six months. Put it all together and they're mad, mad, mad. And they should be, because Donald Trump threatens not just to take their power away, but the sources of their power.
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Somehow the truth never found its way in. Instead, the lies grew and the delusion took the Democrats all the way to raiding Mar a Lago. Four separate indictments to put Donald the Terrible in prison. They took his mugshot. They forced him to sit in court so he could not campaign. They slapped him with a nearly hundred million dollar lawsuit for defaming someone who was never defamed. And never in all that time did they once talk about Joe Biden's failing cognitive abilities. Not once did they turn the camera around to look at themselves and see all the ways they were failing us. History must tell that story. It's the only way to understand what came next and what made Trump a hero. Donald the Great. When I was a Trump deranged lunatic, I was doing what everyone else did every second of every day. I was scouring the world for proof of Trump's evil nature. So I too read Mary Trump's book on her uncle. I expected to find stories that would serve as the necessary smoking gun justifying how much of our emotional real estate was now devoted to obsessing over him. Podcast listeners, a picture of Trump as a toddler holding a wheelbarrow with his shoes in it. Instead, I found myself seeing A very different side of Trump than I'd been conditioned to believe, even though that clearly was not Mary Trump's intention. She wanted me to see her uncle as uniquely dangerous. But how could I, after reading the part where Trump was abandoned as a toddler when his mother was sent to the hospital after the difficult birth of his brother Robert? Donald Trump was just 2 years old, but he was already a fighter. He had to be. He had to survive without his mom at a time when he needed her the most. That was his first lesson in self reliance. It was also his first lesson in seeing the brighter side of life. He could have spent all those years blaming his childhood and blaming her, but he never did.
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Because he always paid tribute to his mother and chose the positive. He made his life better. And that is the power of positive thinking. That wasn't the only lesson in being emotionally tough. But it does explain at least a little bit how he was able to keep pushing through the attacks that almost no human could survive. He wasn't babied, he wasn't coddled. He was thrown right into the deep end. And that is how you get to the guy who did not falter when they used everything in their considerable arsenal to destroy him. And each time they went at him, whether they knew it or not, they were making him stronger and transforming him into Donald the Great. Here is Victor Davis Hansen again.
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Well, I mean that was. That could not be scripted. He came within a quarter inch of having his brains blown out. That's a traumatic. I was embedded twice in Iraq and on the second time coming home, a rocket came and hit the tarmac and bounce up or it would have got all of us that were getting boarding a small little light aircraft to go back to Kuwait. And I can tell you that it didn't even get near me. It was 100 yards away, the shrapnel. But you think about very strange things. Why are these people trying to kill me? You know, and the point I'm making is that all was going through his head and yet he went right back on the feet campaign trail and people acted, they were making fun of him. It wasn't really a headshot. It was his ear. Maybe it was glass, maybe it was shrapnel. I mean, it was pretty incredible how the left just went right after him. He deserved it, etc. And yet he was on phase and he got right back in to the campaign. So. And he couldn't have scripted that. So I think it reminded people that at 78, he's still very robust. He has enormous energy. And whether you like him or not, he's not going to bend, he's not going to faint. It was like when he got Covid right after the first debate, I guess it was. They had to take him to the hospital. And now we learned later that he was very, very ill. But he took all of these drugs. They gave him monoclonal antibodies, Pepcid, and all of a sudden he was out bragging about monoclonal antibody. I love those antibodies. You gotta all take those antibodies. Look at me, I, I'm robust. Well, I don't care how robust he is. If you have 102 temperature and you have pneumonia, starting pneumonia, and you're in the hospital and five days later you're addressing 80,000 people, you cannot feel well, and yet no one. I don't think anybody's ever seen Trump sick or feel like he's sick or he never says, I don't feel well today. So there's something that's almost supernatural about his ability to get very little sleep. And that radiates especially, it was vis a vis Biden.
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And perhaps that helps explain how Donald the Great came to exist at all. That is what we all saw on October 13th. We saw that guy, the guy who would not stand down and would never allow his enemies to tarnish his good name. Here is Megyn Kelly.
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Every time I see one of these, this isn't some big promo for Trump, but I do think of Trump like, what is it in that crazy mind of Trump's that just let him never give up? What is it about, like sort of the madness that drives our president in the best sense, that makes him say, no, I, I can get it done. I can do it. No, I'll, I'll keep going through the indictments. I don't care that my freedom's in jeopardy. No, I know I was just shot in the head, but I'm going to stand up and say fight, fight, fight, when we don't know whether the shooter's dead. No, I don't care that they impeach me twice. I'm going to run again. They're trying to keep me off ballots. They're trying to attack my family. No, I'm, I'm going to win. I'm going to run and I'm going to win. No, I don't care that you tell me this court or that, that I can't send troops there because people are dying and I want to make sure ICE officers are protected and I don't care. Like, I'M going to find a way to do it because I know it's what's right. I. I know this is what's right. I. I know that this war needs to wrap up. Those were President Trump's terms. That's what he said. Time to wrap it up. But there has to be a way of getting the hot. There has to be a way of getting the hostages out.
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We have to apply pressure. That's my business. Let. What are the pressure points? Go. Go to Qatar, go to Egypt, go to Turkey, twist the financial concerns up, give them what they want, make it worth their while so that they can lean on. On the Palestinians in a way that the United States cannot because we lack the leverage points. There's something in his head that just doesn't let him take no for an answer. He's a miracle worker. That's what it feels like. We're seeing Segev walking out and holding his dad like that is a miracle. After that picture of him in the tunnel. And as these hostages have been coming out one by one today, President Trump this morning, he's been going all night. You know, he flew to Israel. It was like 240 US time. There's seven hours ahead, so, you know, add seven. I screwed that up on the AM update, by the way. I had the reverse. Apologies for that. But he was over there to 240, landing, meeting with Israeli families, addressing the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament then I think right now is already off to Egypt, like, one place. It's just what he's doing over there is superhuman. The man's 79 years old. Most of us complain if, like, we have a full day of work, plus home responsibilities, plus, like, a social engagement in the evening. A lot of us, maybe not most, I do. It's incredible. So he addressed Israelis, the Israeli Parliament this morning, talking about what's been achieved and his new hope for the region.
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After two harrowing years in darkness and captivity, 20 courageous hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families. And it is glorious. 28 more precious loved ones are coming home at last to rest in this sacred soil for all of time. And after so many years of unceasing war and endless danger, today the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the sirens are still. And the sun rises on a holy land that is finally at peace. A land and a region that will live, God willing, in peace for all eternity. I love Israel. I'm with you all the way. You will be bigger, better, stronger, and more loving than ever before. Thank you very much. God Bless you, God you bless. Bless the United States of America and God bless the Middle East. Thank you everybody. Good luck. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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The Democrats still have not learned their lesson. If anything, they've only gotten worse. For podcast listeners, a tweet by Gator Gar bring peace to Israel in the Middle east and the left will call you Hitler. Why? Because they're evil. There are those on the right who want to carry water for this evil. I fully condemn it. And a tweet by Polly Tix with Trump on the COVID of Time. His triumph and a picture of Trump as Hitler. His struggle. They may not like that Trump writes stuff like this for podcast listeners. A truth from Donald J. Trump. Time magazine wrote a relatively good story about me, but the picture may be the worst of all time. They disappeared my hair and then it's something floating on top of my head that looked like a floating crown, but an extremely small one. Really weird. I never liked taking pictures from underneath angles, but this is a super bad picture and deserves to be called out. What are they doing? And why? But as usual, they overplay their hand. Podcast listener is a headline from the Daily Beast. Trump melts down. An unflattering photo of his hair and late night rant. I don't happen to think his Time cover is so bad. To me it looks like he's looking to heaven and there is a halo around his head. But why should he trust any of them after 10 years of attempting to destroy him through imagery? A day before Time tweeted this out podcast listeners, a tweet from Time. Trump loses Nobel Prize. He shamelessly campaigned for make America great again. Trump's secret weapon has always been his loyal supporters, his MAGA base. He had their backs, so they had his. They showed up on January 6th at great cost to their reputations and their incomes. They were tarnished with lies and propaganda, but they stuck by Trump. It was felt most profoundly in Butler when none of his supporters ran after he was shot. As Trump said so eloquently at the convention just days later, they wanted to make sure he was okay.
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The most incredible aspect of what took place on that terrible evening in the fading sun was actually seen later in almost all cases, as you probably know. And when even a single bullet is fired, just a single bullet, and we had many bullets that were being fired, crowds run for the exits or stampede, but not in this case. It's very unusual. This massive crowd of tens of thousands of people stood by and didn't move an inch in Fact, many of them bravely but automatically stood up, looking for where the sniper would be. They knew immediately it was a sniper and then began pointing at him. You can see that if you look at the group behind me, that was just a small group compared to what was in front. Nobody ran. And by not stampeding, many lives were saved. But that isn't the reason that they didn't move. The reason is that they knew I was in very serious trouble. They saw it. They saw me go down. They saw the blood and thought, actually, most did, that I was dead. They knew it was a shot to the head. They saw the blood. And there's an interesting statistic. The ears are the bloodiest part. If something happens with the ears, they bleed more than any other part of the body, for whatever reason. The doctors told me that. I said, why is there so much blood? He said, it's the ears. They bleed more. So we learned something. But they just. They just this beautiful crowd. They didn't want to leave me. They knew I was in trouble. They didn't want to leave me. And you can see that love written all over their faces. Incredible people. They're incredible people.
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Then when he says he isn't supposed to be here, they chant back at him, yes, you are.
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I'm not supposed to be here tonight. Not supposed to be here. Thank you. But I'm not. And I'll tell you, I stand before you in this arena only by the grace of Almighty God.
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This has never been the story of the Fourth Reich in the Second Confederacy. This has always been a love story, a grassroots movement, a basket of deplorables standing by the one guy who saw them at all, let alone the guy who would fight for the America they want. That was what I witnessed in 2020 when I began watching Trump rallies. I saw happy people who were celebrating. How can they be celebrating? I remember thinking, why aren't they miserable like we are? The answer is that no matter Trump's many flaws, he has the unique gift of saying what no one else had the courage to say. And through him, they have a voice. Here is Scott Adams.
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But every one of you who's watching right now probably shared a little bit in that pain. Probably every one of you said, you know what? You're not going to tell me who to vote for. You know what? You're not going to manipulate me. You know what? I'm going to do what I think is right, and I'm going to follow this all the way. You altered that.
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All the MAGA supporters, you all took a personal and professional risk for the benefit of the country. And you knew that it was going to cost you dearly. You lost family members, lost your daughter. Somebody says, yeah, a lot of you lost family members, you lost friends. You lost jobs, cost you money. And you were right in the end. In the end, you were right. You bet the right way.
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And here is a Trump supporter from TikTok.
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So I'm watching all of the coverage and the videos of the hostages being released in Israel, and I just feel super emotional. I don't know why. I rarely ever cry. I feel like I've wanted to cry, like, three times in the last, like, month for something. Guys don't cry at, like, sad stuff. We cry for, like, courage and for heroes. And that's. That's the overwhelming feeling I have right now. It's just, I'm really proud of Trump. I'm really proud of my president. And by the way, it's not been easy to be a Trump supporter, okay? Like, you get called a maggot, a racist, a horrible person. I mean, it's basically like being gay was in the 1990s. You're a Trump supporter. You basically had to come out of the closet to your closest friends when the time was right. It's like, this is why we did it. You know, this is why we voted for the guy. And that's what people don't understand, because we saw this and we knew he was capable of it. Like, he. He made this happen basically through just believing it was possible. He proposed this deal, like, two weeks ago, and Hamas came back and said, oh, it's like, not really. And he took that as a yes, and he went with it. And now there's 20 hostages, like, actual living, breathing people that were starving to death in tunnels that are being reunited with their families. Again, I just have an overwhelming sense of gratitude that I made the right decision. And it's hard not to look at what happened in Butler and to say, man, maybe that's the reason that God kept him here. It's almost like he was put on Earth to do this. I mean, the guy writes a book, literally, called the Art of the Deal, does real estate deals for his entire life, and then goes into the Middle east and solves peace in the Middle East. Like, he makes that deal like you couldn't write a better script. And I just hope it's. It's a moment where the rest of the world can look at it and. And say, oh, maybe there was something really good about this guy. Maybe we all can just be proud as Americans right now that this is our guy.
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Every day. Trump is at war with the truth because there are still so many powerful people who want the lie. But they must know by now that this thing is only moving in one direction and we're never going back. Best lay down your weapons, Democrats. It's over. Here is Scott Adams again.
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So meanwhile, while the so called Hitler is finding peace for Israel, the Democrats are still, they're still whining about him being an authoritarian Hitler while we're all watching the authoritarian Hitler bring peace to the entire world. The Democrats could not be losing harder than they are today. Today is peak, peak losing for Democrats. They just gotta shut up at this point. Just, just let it go, right? Just let it go. There's nothing you should say right now except thank you, Mr. President.
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The Democrats probably had no idea that in their unending pathology, their TDS, their 10 year temper tantrum that is still ongoing, they would sabotage their own fairy tale, Donald the Terrible, and manifest a better one, Donald the Great. And so we must tell this story over and over again until one day we won't have to, because everyone will already know the truth. Thank you for listening to my podcast, Sashastone.com and thank you for all of the recent paid subscriptions and donations. It really helps and I was overwhelmed by your generosity and some of you have asked where you can donate. You can do that on sashastone.com there is a link for a tip jar if you so choose. And if you like my work and remember to thine own self be true. I.
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Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone
Episode: Donald The Great
Date: October 16, 2025
In "Donald The Great," Sasha Stone crafts a personal, impassioned narrative dissecting how Donald Trump's presidency, most recently exemplified by the dramatic October 13 hostage rescue, is etched into the contested memory of a divided America. Stone, a former Democrat who has emerged as a critical voice from outside the progressive bubble, explores the shifting narrative battle over Trump—from ‘Donald the Terrible’ to ‘Donald the Great’—and how this story is shaped, distorted, and contested by media, technology, and political elites. The episode interweaves personal anecdotes with commentary from notable voices to challenge mainstream characterizations of Trump and his supporters, making a case for his legacy as one of resilience, transformation, and, ultimately, heroism.
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On the Transformation of the American Left:
On Trump as a ‘Miracle Worker’:
On MAGA Movement’s Loyalty:
On Personal Growth from the Trump Divide:
On Heroism & Belief:
Sasha Stone’s approach is unapologetically personal, reflective, and confrontational, blending memoir with cultural critique and a defiant hopefulness. The tone ranges from analytical and regretful when recounting her time on the left, to deeply admiring and emotive in chronicling Trump’s resilience and the MAGA movement’s loyalty. The inclusion of commentary from influential conservative voices and everyday supporters expands the lens beyond Stone’s own journey.
"Donald The Great" is less a mere defense of Trump and more a meditation on the power of narrative, the durability of belief—and the heroism found, as Stone sees it, in refusing to surrender to consensus or cynicism. The episode captures the voice of a movement that refuses to let its story be told by its detractors, offering a rallying cry for supporters to persevere—and for detractors to reconsider the narrative they’ve embraced.