Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone

Episode: Erika Kirk and The Wicked Witches of the Left
Date: December 2, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode, led by Sasha Stone with appearances from Megyn Kelly, Tom Bevin, and others, dissects the culture war between conservative Christian women like Erika Kirk and what Stone terms “the wicked witches of the left”—a caricatured group of progressive women in positions of cultural influence. The emotional core of the episode is the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the alleged incitement and celebration by left-leaning media and online personalities. The discussion explores religious faith, societal decline, gender politics, narcissism in modern feminism, and the ruthless weaponization of online discourse.

Main Discussion Themes

1. The "Wicked Witches of the Left": Satire, Accusation, and Social Archetypes

• Sasha opens by painting a satirical and scathing portrait of affluent, liberal women (“witches of the left”) (00:00–03:20), linking their consumerist lifestyle and progressive slogans to a broader cultural malaise.
• Reference to Jezebel’s infamous claim of casting spells/hexes on conservatives such as Charlie Kirk (03:20) and how “witchcraft” and hexing have become online meme fodder for punishing right-wing figures.
• Notable quote: “They're cloning duplicates who parrot the talking points of the coven like ‘abortion is health care’ and ‘trans women are women’. They've taught them to be strident, demanding, and intolerant, with standards too high for any man, job, or country to meet.” — Sasha Stone (01:02)

2. Charlie Kirk’s Assassination and Reaction

• Megyn Kelly narrates how the news of publicized “curses” rattled Erika Kirk, prompting the Kirks to seek spiritual comfort the night before Charlie’s murder (04:12).
• Kelly decries the actions of Jezebel and Etsy (enabling the sale of curses/hexes), demanding accountability and public apology (05:30).
• Notable quote: “Weapons will form but not prosper. That Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters, and his blessing over Charlie was real and palpable.” — Megyn Kelly (04:52)
• Exploration of how public vilification and dehumanization online can have real-world consequences.

3. Sasha Stone’s Reflections on Faith and the Left

• Stone distinguishes the religious right’s worldview anchored in faith and family from what she describes as a “post-religion” left now embracing child gender transitions, radical feminism, and abortion as empowerment (06:40).
• Critique of leftist podcasters (e.g., Jennifer Welch) for their vitriolic language and personal attacks, contrasting right-wing suppression with left-wing call-outs for conformity.
• “We are the power because we are empowered. But unfortunately it has resulted in a movement ruled and defined by evil and hatred.” — Sasha Stone (07:23)

4. Analyzing Online Discourse and "Religious Addiction" (08:02–12:51)

• Extended sample of Megyn Kelly’s view that elements on both right and left are overtaken by some form of “addiction”, be it religion or attention-seeking rage.
• Discussion about identity politics, hypocrisy, and the oscillation between claims of moral authority.
• Notable quote: “A lot of people are religious addicts and you can Google it and read about it… And these religious addicts, like all addiction, sabotage things. Their default setting is to break things and create collateral damage.” — Megyn Kelly (08:29)
• Panel pivots to increasingly vulgar and pointed online attacks from both sides, especially around the Kirk family, public figures, and the climate of relentless grievance politics.

5. Misery, Addictions, and the Culture of Victimhood (12:51–15:56)

• Tom Bevin and others lampoon Jennifer Welch as a “misery merchant”, obsessed with displaying and inflicting unhappiness.
• Mental health, addiction, and performative misery are critiqued as new hallmarks of feminist digital influencers.
• Notable quote: “She is just… she's not even jealous because she wouldn't know what it feels like… Her job, as you say, is to depress us, make us miserable, and make us feel guilty for being happy.” — Tom Bevin (13:32)

6. Death, Celebratory Outrage, and Double Standards (15:56–21:08)

• Stone condemns those who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination or who rationalized violence as justified retaliation for speech.
• The conversation turns to Joy Reid, Jennifer Welch, and others, extracting their public comments on Erika Kirk’s widowhood and wardrobe as evidence of pettiness and racism.
• Notable quote: “This is just beyond the pale, and it shouldn't be part of American political discourse… Instead, they double down, triple down…” — Tom Bevin (20:34)

7. Erika Kirk Responds: Faith, Grace, and Endurance (23:52–26:00)

• Erika shares her own resilience amidst vicious slander: “It’s all just noise… I’m okay with the world not understanding me. I’m okay with that.” (24:47)
• She and Kelly recount the viral incident of her hugging J.D. Vance, mocking the hyperventilated online reaction.
• Notable moment: Erika’s grace under pressure and Christian ethic:
  “We’re, as Christians, we’re called to be in the world, not of it.” — Erika Kirk (24:52)
  “If they could understand me, then I’m not doing something right.” — Erika Kirk (24:55)

8. Charlie Kirk Remembered: Love Endures Beyond Death (26:32–29:18)

• Stone contrasts the failed curse (“make everyone hate him”) with the outpouring of love and unity after Charlie’s murder.
• Tender family anecdotes—Charlie telling stories to his daughter and expounding Newtonian physics—are interspersed.
• “Love is harder to kill than even people. Love lives on in the hearts of all of us. It spreads. It unites us. It redeems us.” — Sasha Stone (26:32)

9. The Pitfalls of Protective Progressivism and the Limits of Control (29:18–32:00)

• Stone critiques how progressive, upper-middle-class feminism morphed into overprotection, social anxiety, and avoidance of resilience.
• The push to “control everything and everyone” undermined the virtues needed to “survive” tough times, as embodied by Trump’s rise.
• Ultimately, this internal fragility, rather than strength, is what saps the power of the “witches of the left.”

10. Montage: Liberal Rage and Despair, The Catharsis of Outrage (32:00–36:33)

• A TikTok/online outrage montage underscores the episode’s theme: left-liberal personalities express violent anger and explicit language toward Trump, Republicans, and the current state of politics.
• Episode reflects on how outrage and performative misery shape the discourse and contribute to the cultural abyss on both sides.

11. Nietzsche’s Warning and the Cycle of Demonization (37:31–41:00)

• Stone invokes Nietzsche: “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster… Welcome to the abyss, wicked witches of the left.”
• Concludes with the idea that the left’s construction of monsters like Charlie Kirk only breeds more monsters, and silencing dissent under the guise of “inclusivity, respect and enlightenment” is self-defeating.

Notable Quotes & Key Timestamps

| Time | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:02 | Sacha Stone | “They're cloning duplicates who parrot the talking points of the coven like ‘abortion is health care’ and ‘trans women are women’…” | | 04:52 | Megyn Kelly | “Weapons will form but not prosper. That Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters…” | | 08:29 | Megyn Kelly | “A lot of people are religious addicts and you can Google it and read about it… Their default setting is to break things…” | | 13:32 | Tom Bevin | “Her job, as you say, is to depress us, make us miserable, and make us feel guilty for being happy.” | | 20:34 | Tom Bevin | “This is just beyond the pale, and it shouldn’t be part of American political discourse…” | | 24:55 | Erika Kirk | “If they could understand me, then I’m not doing something right.” | | 26:32 | Sacha Stone | “Love is harder to kill than even people. Love lives on in the hearts of all of us. It spreads. It unites us. It redeems us.” | | 37:31 | Sacha Stone | “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.” |

Key Moments

• 00:00–03:20 — Opening parody of “witches of the left” and cultural consumerism
• 04:12–05:30 — Megyn Kelly describes Erika & Charlie Kirk’s fear of publicized curses
• 06:40–08:02 — Sasha on the difference between faith and secular left, rise of intolerance
• 12:55–15:56 — Tom Bevin and guests on Jennifer Welch as “misery merchant”
• 23:52–26:00 — Erika Kirk’s direct response to public slander and counsel for enduring pain
• 26:32–29:18 — Family vignettes, Charlie Kirk’s legacy of love
• 32:00–36:33 — Liberals’ rage montage, despair over Trump perpetual presence
• 37:31–41:00 — Nietzsche’s warning, left inventing “monsters” and falling into the abyss

Tone & Language

The tone is polemical, alternately satirical and mournful, leveraging religious and mythic language. Speakers use pointed humor, cultural references, and sometimes harsh or vulgar criticisms to emphasize both the absurdity and cruelty they perceive in the current discourse. Moments of empathy and grace break through, especially when focusing on Erika Kirk’s loss and resilience.

Summary Utility

This summary captures all major topics, arcs, and the emotional tenor of the episode, facilitating comprehension for those who haven’t listened. Direct quotes (with attributions and timestamps) highlight pivotal moments and speaker styles.

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