Erika Kirk and The Wicked Witches of the Left

Summary

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Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone

Episode: Erika Kirk and The Wicked Witches of the Left
Date: December 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode, led by Sasha Stone with appearances from Megyn Kelly, Tom Bevin, and others, dissects the culture war between conservative Christian women like Erika Kirk and what Stone terms “the wicked witches of the left”—a caricatured group of progressive women in positions of cultural influence. The emotional core of the episode is the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the alleged incitement and celebration by left-leaning media and online personalities. The discussion explores religious faith, societal decline, gender politics, narcissism in modern feminism, and the ruthless weaponization of online discourse.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. The "Wicked Witches of the Left": Satire, Accusation, and Social Archetypes

• Sasha opens by painting a satirical and scathing portrait of affluent, liberal women (“witches of the left”) (00:00–03:20), linking their consumerist lifestyle and progressive slogans to a broader cultural malaise.
• Reference to Jezebel’s infamous claim of casting spells/hexes on conservatives such as Charlie Kirk (03:20) and how “witchcraft” and hexing have become online meme fodder for punishing right-wing figures.
• Notable quote: “They're cloning duplicates who parrot the talking points of the coven like ‘abortion is health care’ and ‘trans women are women’. They've taught them to be strident, demanding, and intolerant, with standards too high for any man, job, or country to meet.” — Sasha Stone (01:02)

2. Charlie Kirk’s Assassination and Reaction

• Megyn Kelly narrates how the news of publicized “curses” rattled Erika Kirk, prompting the Kirks to seek spiritual comfort the night before Charlie’s murder (04:12).
• Kelly decries the actions of Jezebel and Etsy (enabling the sale of curses/hexes), demanding accountability and public apology (05:30).
• Notable quote: “Weapons will form but not prosper. That Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters, and his blessing over Charlie was real and palpable.” — Megyn Kelly (04:52)
• Exploration of how public vilification and dehumanization online can have real-world consequences.

3. Sasha Stone’s Reflections on Faith and the Left

• Stone distinguishes the religious right’s worldview anchored in faith and family from what she describes as a “post-religion” left now embracing child gender transitions, radical feminism, and abortion as empowerment (06:40).
• Critique of leftist podcasters (e.g., Jennifer Welch) for their vitriolic language and personal attacks, contrasting right-wing suppression with left-wing call-outs for conformity.
• “We are the power because we are empowered. But unfortunately it has resulted in a movement ruled and defined by evil and hatred.” — Sasha Stone (07:23)

4. Analyzing Online Discourse and "Religious Addiction" (08:02–12:51)

• Extended sample of Megyn Kelly’s view that elements on both right and left are overtaken by some form of “addiction”, be it religion or attention-seeking rage.
• Discussion about identity politics, hypocrisy, and the oscillation between claims of moral authority.
• Notable quote: “A lot of people are religious addicts and you can Google it and read about it… And these religious addicts, like all addiction, sabotage things. Their default setting is to break things and create collateral damage.” — Megyn Kelly (08:29)
• Panel pivots to increasingly vulgar and pointed online attacks from both sides, especially around the Kirk family, public figures, and the climate of relentless grievance politics.

5. Misery, Addictions, and the Culture of Victimhood (12:51–15:56)

• Tom Bevin and others lampoon Jennifer Welch as a “misery merchant”, obsessed with displaying and inflicting unhappiness.
• Mental health, addiction, and performative misery are critiqued as new hallmarks of feminist digital influencers.
• Notable quote: “She is just… she's not even jealous because she wouldn't know what it feels like… Her job, as you say, is to depress us, make us miserable, and make us feel guilty for being happy.” — Tom Bevin (13:32)

6. Death, Celebratory Outrage, and Double Standards (15:56–21:08)

• Stone condemns those who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination or who rationalized violence as justified retaliation for speech.
• The conversation turns to Joy Reid, Jennifer Welch, and others, extracting their public comments on Erika Kirk’s widowhood and wardrobe as evidence of pettiness and racism.
• Notable quote: “This is just beyond the pale, and it shouldn't be part of American political discourse… Instead, they double down, triple down…” — Tom Bevin (20:34)

7. Erika Kirk Responds: Faith, Grace, and Endurance (23:52–26:00)

• Erika shares her own resilience amidst vicious slander: “It’s all just noise… I’m okay with the world not understanding me. I’m okay with that.” (24:47)
• She and Kelly recount the viral incident of her hugging J.D. Vance, mocking the hyperventilated online reaction.
• Notable moment: Erika’s grace under pressure and Christian ethic:
  “We’re, as Christians, we’re called to be in the world, not of it.” — Erika Kirk (24:52)
  “If they could understand me, then I’m not doing something right.” — Erika Kirk (24:55)

8. Charlie Kirk Remembered: Love Endures Beyond Death (26:32–29:18)

• Stone contrasts the failed curse (“make everyone hate him”) with the outpouring of love and unity after Charlie’s murder.
• Tender family anecdotes—Charlie telling stories to his daughter and expounding Newtonian physics—are interspersed.
• “Love is harder to kill than even people. Love lives on in the hearts of all of us. It spreads. It unites us. It redeems us.” — Sasha Stone (26:32)

9. The Pitfalls of Protective Progressivism and the Limits of Control (29:18–32:00)

• Stone critiques how progressive, upper-middle-class feminism morphed into overprotection, social anxiety, and avoidance of resilience.
• The push to “control everything and everyone” undermined the virtues needed to “survive” tough times, as embodied by Trump’s rise.
• Ultimately, this internal fragility, rather than strength, is what saps the power of the “witches of the left.”

10. Montage: Liberal Rage and Despair, The Catharsis of Outrage (32:00–36:33)

• A TikTok/online outrage montage underscores the episode’s theme: left-liberal personalities express violent anger and explicit language toward Trump, Republicans, and the current state of politics.
• Episode reflects on how outrage and performative misery shape the discourse and contribute to the cultural abyss on both sides.

11. Nietzsche’s Warning and the Cycle of Demonization (37:31–41:00)

• Stone invokes Nietzsche: “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster… Welcome to the abyss, wicked witches of the left.”
• Concludes with the idea that the left’s construction of monsters like Charlie Kirk only breeds more monsters, and silencing dissent under the guise of “inclusivity, respect and enlightenment” is self-defeating.

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Notable Quotes & Key Timestamps

| Time | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:02 | Sacha Stone | “They're cloning duplicates who parrot the talking points of the coven like ‘abortion is health care’ and ‘trans women are women’…” | | 04:52 | Megyn Kelly | “Weapons will form but not prosper. That Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters…” | | 08:29 | Megyn Kelly | “A lot of people are religious addicts and you can Google it and read about it… Their default setting is to break things…” | | 13:32 | Tom Bevin | “Her job, as you say, is to depress us, make us miserable, and make us feel guilty for being happy.” | | 20:34 | Tom Bevin | “This is just beyond the pale, and it shouldn’t be part of American political discourse…” | | 24:55 | Erika Kirk | “If they could understand me, then I’m not doing something right.” | | 26:32 | Sacha Stone | “Love is harder to kill than even people. Love lives on in the hearts of all of us. It spreads. It unites us. It redeems us.” | | 37:31 | Sacha Stone | “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.” |

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Key Moments

• 00:00–03:20 — Opening parody of “witches of the left” and cultural consumerism
• 04:12–05:30 — Megyn Kelly describes Erika & Charlie Kirk’s fear of publicized curses
• 06:40–08:02 — Sasha on the difference between faith and secular left, rise of intolerance
• 12:55–15:56 — Tom Bevin and guests on Jennifer Welch as “misery merchant”
• 23:52–26:00 — Erika Kirk’s direct response to public slander and counsel for enduring pain
• 26:32–29:18 — Family vignettes, Charlie Kirk’s legacy of love
• 32:00–36:33 — Liberals’ rage montage, despair over Trump perpetual presence
• 37:31–41:00 — Nietzsche’s warning, left inventing “monsters” and falling into the abyss

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Tone & Language

The tone is polemical, alternately satirical and mournful, leveraging religious and mythic language. Speakers use pointed humor, cultural references, and sometimes harsh or vulgar criticisms to emphasize both the absurdity and cruelty they perceive in the current discourse. Moments of empathy and grace break through, especially when focusing on Erika Kirk’s loss and resilience.

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Summary Utility

This summary captures all major topics, arcs, and the emotional tenor of the episode, facilitating comprehension for those who haven’t listened. Direct quotes (with attributions and timestamps) highlight pivotal moments and speaker styles.

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Transcript

[Sacha Stone]

Hi, this is Free Thinking through the Fourth Turning. My name is Sacha Stone Erica Kirk and the Wicked Witches of the Left by the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes they might look like ordinary women as they instacart from Bristol Farms or strengthen their core at morning Pilates. You might be standing behind them in line at Starbucks as they order their half cream, half caff, no whip, no foam, triple pump chai latte with oat milk. They seem to be everywhere once you know how to recognize them. They're the target demographic for Audible's best sellers list. They make up the bulk of the spending on sites like Amazon and Skims. Ever wonder how it is goop still stays in business? They live in the Hamptons or Brentwood or Malibu. They're married to talk show hosts like Jimmy Kimmel or they're married to themselves. They're having Thanksgiving in a gated community in Montecito. They're cloning duplicates who parrot the talking points of the coven like abortion is health care and no human is illegal, and trans women are women. They've taught them to be strident, demanding, and intolerant, with standards too high for any man, job, or country to meet. Their world before was idyllic, a utopia that kept them at the top because they ordered this new world in such a way that nothing and no one threatened their power. The future is female. It's time for women to rule White dudes. For Harris, they call it the Great Feminization, but really it's a coven of witches. Just before Charlie Kirk's assassination, Jezebel and Etsy cast a dark spell on Charlie. Why? Because they couldn't shut him up. In their world, they decide what people can and can't say, think, buy, or do. For podcast listeners, a headline from Jezebel we paid some Etsy witches to curse Charlie Kirk. If the far right misogynist with a bad haircut wants to villainize independent women, Jezebel is more than happy to be the hag of his nightmares. By Claire Guinen September 8, 2025 They've taken down the story, but it still exists on the Way Back Machine Quote these days, witches cater to more than just personal grudges, and it's not uncommon for them to channel their energy toward thwarting Republicans. There's even a subreddit devoted to casting nightly hexes on Trump. Are you interested in punishing Kirk for the years of regressive rhetoric he shouted at America's youth? And anyone within earshot here at Jezebel we're about to find out if there's a spell for that. And after placing my first spell, make everyone hate him, I was left with more questions than answers. How long would it take to kick in? Should I have splurged for a pricier spell to make it work faster? Shortly after, the witch messaged me, trying to upsell me a $50 spell booster. When I asked what it did, she explained it would amplify the energetic support of the main spell or else I could let it unfold in its natural timing. I decided to trust the witch's will. End quote and her closing paragraph. Quote, Sunday, August 24th passed nothing. Monday, still nothing. Tuesday rolled around and I began to wonder if I'd been scammed. But then I reminded myself, this is witchcraft, not Amazon. The forces operate on their own schedule. End quote. Megyn Kelly reported exclusively on how this affected Erica Kirk after Charlie was assassinated, leaving behind two small children and a widespread movement that touched millions.

[Megyn Kelly]

Erica and Charlie Kirk heard about these curses and that news genuinely rattled Erica in particular. She knew Christian teaching on the subject. She loved Charlie absolutely, and she was scared when she heard of the curses Jezebel had called up. So much so that she and Charlie contacted a friend who I believe she said was a Catholic priest, but definitely a friend, and asked him to come over and pray with them over Charlie the night before he was murdered. She eventually worked it through and so did Charlie that, as she later told me, weapons will form but not prosper. That Satan and those witches have no power. Of course, God's will is the one that matters, and his blessing over Charlie was real and palpable. All you had to do was spend time with Charlie to know that. But why torture a family like this, a Christian believing family? Why do this vile thing to a young couple, parents to two babies, living in accordance with the gospel, deeply in love, yes, political, but doing nothing other than speaking publicly about their views and their desires to make other people's lives better. Who would do such a vile thing? Jezebel, that's who. And unbelievably, Etsy and the people behind this evil. They should be called out. That's why I'm talking about it as our lead. They should be called out. Jezebel should be forced to identify the woman who wrote this and did this. Jezebel should close. Frankly, it has zero redeeming virtues or value. Etsy should stop this practice immediately and get back to arts and crafts and jewelry. And both entities should issue an immediate full throated apology to Erica Kirk. For introducing this awfulness into her beautiful family and causing her or Charlie any distress whatsoever in what would be the waning hours of his life.

[Sacha Stone]

What bothers them so much about Erica Kirk, other than that she is brave, kind, beautiful and true, is what I once believed about the Christian right. I'd never be able to live like that, I always thought. Then I saw what happened to the left, to all of us without religion. Now we are a movement that believes it's okay to sterilize children and mutilate their bodies without their consent. And we treat abortion like it's an act of empowerment. Erica Kirk put her faith in God and in her husband. These are mortal sins to the wicked witches of the left. Thou shalt have no God before ourselves. We are the power because we are empowered. But unfortunately it has resulted in a movement ruled and defined by evil and hatred. Jennifer Welch, a prominent wicked witch of the left who podcasts alongside a Renfield like puppet whose name no one knows, but who nods along numbly as Welch spits out her invective. I call him Kanks, she says about Trump after her cankles McTaco tits went viral. These are the same people who Pearl clutch over Trump calling a reporter piggy.

[Megyn Kelly]

He is married to a woman of Indian descent.

[Sacha Stone]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

He has mixed race children. So to all of the MAGA voters out there, if this man will not defend his wife and will not defend his kids, do you think he gives a crap about you or anything to do with you? I think a lot of the people that are involved in this movement are either psychopaths, sociopaths, they like it. I'm talking about like Stephen Miller.

[Sacha Stone]

Right, right.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then you've got people that are religious addicts and you guys, that is a real thing. Like somebody can be an alcoholic, somebody can be a drug addict. A lot of people are religious addicts and you can Google it and read about it. And these religious addicts, like all addiction, like all addicts, sabotage things. Their default setting is to break things and create collateral damage. And I think even on the Supreme Court we have some religious addicts. And I think in the administration we have a ton of religious addicts. Mike Johnson I'm a white woman that has lived in a red state my entire life and I can tell you when I'm around white people, they test the racist water, they test it on people like you all, all the time. And they'll try to say off color things. I put my hand up. It absolutely happens. And you're fortunate that maybe you have.

[Tom Bevin]

A Different generation white people.

[Megyn Kelly]

That triple Trump should be banned, boycotted from enjoying the best thing that America has to offer which is multiculturalism. Get your fat asses out of the Mexican restaurant. Get your fat asses over to Cracker Barrel because no, nobody wants to see youring smug ass, teeny weeny pink arm, big gut around. Nobody wants to see that non stop grievances. And then the men that choose to emasculate themselves by defending one of the weakest men I have ever seen, like here we have a man president Taco Tits that is completely out of shape, apparently shits himself, apparently has a catheter in because he can't control his bladder, he can't blend his makeup, he dyes his hair, he has it in a loop de doo kind of Dr. Seuss kind of wrap around. And I just, the whole thing to me is so breathtakingly weak and emasculating from start to fin cops on January 6th. Meanwhile, this guy, this should be the lead story is coming. Clearly suffering from massive mental decline. He is out of his mind with all of the show and tell procedures that go on in the Oval Office. Two days ago he gave three press conferences in a row. And if you don't think he has dementia, let's just discuss the time that when he was on the campaign trail that he tried to perform oral sex on a microphone. If Joe Biden did this, I hope this is what Democrats do next year.

[Tom Bevin]

If this is the Democratic strategy, congratulations America.

[Sacha Stone]

You've already reelected Republican majorities as far.

[Megyn Kelly]

As the eye can see. Yeah, because Trump's approval.

[Sacha Stone]

Coming up next for us. Bill Madden and Marco Foster are two of the feminized men dominated by the witches. They do nothing but post the ugliest things all day on social media. And they have found their perfect voice now in Jennifer Welch. Broadcast listeners a tweet from Bill Madden, Jennifer Welch with a blistering rebuke of America's highly compromised pedophile president. Dirty Donald Trump is an effing monster.

[Megyn Kelly]

These people think they can do anything and say anything they want if they talk about the good Lord. And these people are hypocrites, they are sociopath and probably the majority of them suffering from extreme micro penises. And then I'm just a cascade of issues that follow.

[Sacha Stone]

And from Marco Foster, Jennifer Welch on Riley Gaines.

[Megyn Kelly]

Everybody's so terrified of zoron because they're going to see somebody who is Muslim. But that's over here because we live in a secular society, right? But fights for the poor, fights for trans Kids fights for drag queens, fights for books. Doesn't pal around with war criminals and terrorists like Benjamin Netanyahu, like Kings does. So the person who pals around with terrorists, Bill Maher, is Kanks. It's him. He's the one that does that, not Zoran Mamdani. And this is nothing more than bigotry and racism in motion. Wrapped up as I am a thought leader, and I just think it's such bullshit. And maybe this works on your MAGA base that watches your show, but I just thought it was disgraceful, intellectually lazy and intellectually dishonest.

[Sacha Stone]

Here is Walter Kern and Matt Taibbi on Jennifer Welch.

[Tom Bevin]

She's a misery merchant. Like, that's. And it's popular. Like, what is that? She's a. First of all. Okay, Walter's gonna calm down after the ostrich manic break. Okay, Jennifer Welch. Is this in her own language? She's a plastic surgery addict who has a pathological aversion to body fat. She has eliminated all the body fat from her bony skeleton. And skeletons, as we know, are scary, and she's scary. Her job, as you say, is to depress us, make us miserable, and make us feel guilty for being happy. She sees addiction in everyone else except in herself. What she really is is an advertisement for the life of 17 different antidepressants every morning. A visit to the surgeon every three months to correct the mistakes of the past surgeon. Ozempic and, you know, Semaglutide and every other one of those drugs that causes food to horrify you. She is a future that we don't want, but we're afraid we can't escape. And her message is, come to me. You're sick if you don't come to me. I know I look sick. I know I look already dead. I know I look like I was reanimated from a grave by Dr. Frankenstein. My age is impossible to discern. I could be 46 and a plastic surgery act. I could be 117, taking blood transfusions. You decide. I just don't know why people do that to themselves.

[Megyn Kelly]

But anyway, go ahead.

[Tom Bevin]

Yeah, they do it because they're addicts, actually. And. And. And. And her suggestion that we should suspect people who are having sex. Dude, I'm at the point where anybody who's still having sex is my brother. Okay, like. Like you're still having sex with other human beings. Like, not robots, not dolls, not Internet, not virtual reality people. Like, yeah, you might be a bit of a hypocrite, but who isn't you know, she is just. She's not even jealous because she wouldn't know what it feels like. But my other problem with her is this. Why would anybody organically listen to her unless they were already miserable and wanted permission? See, it used to be that we felt. What we felt guilty about was being unhappy in America. We were like, everybody around me is on is. Is happy. Why can't I be Totally. I felt that when I was a teenager. Now, now they're making us feel guilty if we're not unhappy. Now they're making us feel guilty if we're happy. What's wrong with you? What kind of addict, what kind of hypocrite, what kind of liar, what kind of sexual pervert are you pretending to be happy? In the real world, people are depressed and they're having surgeons scrape goo off their face in order to show their bone structure. So they're scarier skeletons. What's wrong with you?

[Sacha Stone]

After Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the witches and their compliant male counterparts decided it was more than justified to celebrate his death, to splash around in his blood like the Manson family after they hit the home of Sharon Tate. It didn't matter to them even a little bit. Just as the near assassination of Trump didn't matter. Even death didn't satiate the beast. Charlie's brutal assassination wasn't enough. They wanted needed more. And so the witches convened once again with Joy Reid, Jennifer Welch and her sidekick, whose name no one will ever know or remember to word vomit about their perceived enemies. Megyn Kelly was having none of it.

[Megyn Kelly]

I've been having a Twitter war with Mark Levin and before that with this guy, Abe Greenwald of the Commentary magazine and many others who are have just decided I'm against them because I won't disavow Tucker. I would take Mark Levin or Abe Greenwald or any of these people who are just very, very pro Israel are mad at me over the Tucker thing. Any day of the week over this crew, I'm going to show you a sound bite. It's going to disturb you. You haven't seen it because it just hit. It's awful. It's Joy Reid and those two hateful hens. I don't know what their names are. One I think is named Jennifer. She's all over the Internet, only saying hateful things about Republicans. But this one is particularly vicious about Erica Kirk. Watch. This motivates them. So they can't have the successor to MAGA be the guy with the brown Hindu wife. They're also Christian nationalists that Ain't gonna work. That's why he's throwing his wife under the bus. Or Usha. Or she's in on it, right? And she's playing slap and tickle with Erica. Kirk's the weirdest I've ever seen. Yeah, she's like in her Tamm Faye era, okay? Holding on the back of his head and rubbing on his head some weird baby. Don't do that to Jason.

[Tom Bevin]

I'mma start thinking something's going on.

[Megyn Kelly]

Why you holding the back of his head? I'm like you. You're not doing that right thing. You're supposed to be a widow.

[Tom Bevin]

You in leather pants.

[Sacha Stone]

That's not widow wear.

[Megyn Kelly]

Could you imagine if. Wouldn't it be the most perfect fairy tale maga? Fairy tale, yeah. If he finally sees the light, that he needs a white queen instead of this brown Hindu. I mean, I'm not saying that's happening, right? Or maybe that Usha's not even in on it. Maybe she's. Whatever. But that's. That's one entrant. Another entrant is, Frankly, Donald Trump Jr. If he can, you know, you know, keep it together. You. You absolute disgusting, evil cretin. She is in mourning. You've seen her only at very public appearances, like when she accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom last night. She did, as a favor to me, because I've been out there for Charlie, and she knew Charlie and I were friends. And, yeah, when she goes on camera, terrible, awful, unknown podcast lady, she puts on makeup because the click lights are on her, because the cameras are on her. And if she didn't, you could. You'd be judging that, too. So, yeah, she's beautiful. And she's used to looking nice on camera, and that's to her credit that she's able to pull it together. She cried the entire night. She was holding it together, but she was. Nonstop tears, but she looked beautiful. And these eight hateful witches hold it against her and want to speculate about how it's an ultimate MAGA fantasy for JD to break up with the brown one and wind up with Erica Kirk. What kind of hate? Give me the divided angry, right? Any day of the week.

[Sacha Stone]

Even the Real Clear Politics gang, Andrew Walworth, Tom Bevin, Carl Cannon had words.

[Tom Bevin]

So, Carl, we enjoy Reed. She's not just some random nut. She hosted the shows on msnbc, the New York Times, talking about before she has called her a quote, heroine. She was the first black woman to be a cable primetime anchor, and now this. I mean, what do you make of it? You should add that the women that she's speaking to are Jennifer Welsh, and I don't even know the other woman's name. They're in the but they've been all over the news lately because they've got this podcast, I think it's called I've had it, and they've been featured by folks on MSNBC because they stayed the the nastiest, most vile things about. Well, J.D. vance in particular.

[Sacha Stone]

Yeah.

[Tom Bevin]

Carl. Well, Joy Reid had the distinction of being too b bigoted and ignorant for.

[Sacha Stone]

Msnbc, so that tells you something.

[Tom Bevin]

They took away her show. But this is I don't have to add anything you guys said to it. This, this is just beyond the pale, and it shouldn't be part of American political discourse.

[Sacha Stone]

This, it's racist.

[Tom Bevin]

It's, it's unseemly, it's, it's ugly. This is a, this a widow. They're talking about a woman recently, witty widow, who has small children, who was assassinated because, partly because of the kind.

[Sacha Stone]

Of things they say about people like Charlie Kirk.

[Tom Bevin]

And what you'd expect is for them to be contrite and respectful and maybe look in the mirror. Instead, they double down, triple down, and.

[Sacha Stone]

You know, they won't be happy till.

[Tom Bevin]

Someone else is shot. I just, it's despicable. And, and I, and I'm glad I defended the New York Times earlier so I've got some credibility. TOM well, listen, so, so I was in Phoenix over the weekend visiting my daughter, my parents, and so Megyn Kelly was there that she did her final show. I think it ran on this channel on Monday. It actually happened on Saturday night. And I was there and watched her watched Megyn Kelly interview Erica Kirk for about 45 minutes. And they actually brought up the issue of Megan, brought it up, the issue of the hug with J.D. vance and the amount of incredible online hate that she got over that. And she gets over other things. I mean, and, you know, watching Erica Kirk address some of these issues, it was amazing because there were like 10,000, maybe 12,000 people in attendance, and you could absolutely hear a pin drop as Megan was asking her and talking to her about, you know, what this experience has been like, what she tells her children, you know, how she gets, gets through every single day. And then to have these women, you know, pass judgment on her, what she wear, what she's wearing. She can't, you know, apparently she can't wear leather pants. She can't wear this. She looks like, attack her looks. She looks like Tammy Faye Baker. And, and then obviously, you know, the, The. The racial element with Joy Reid. I've been a. I've been a critic of Joy Reid for a long time, and if you go back through my X feed, you will see it. And I thought my opinion of her couldn't get any lower until I heard about this clip. I mean, it's. It is so disgusting and, and beyond the pale. Obviously racist. I mean, she's just a virulent racist. She. She can't open her mouth without discussing anything and everything in racial terms. And she's, you know, that. That's how she made her living. That's, I guess, how she continues to make her living. And I know some people will say, well, you know, you shouldn't give her. You should be talking about her. You should, you know, shouldn't give her any more attention or oxygen. And I understand that argument, but the flip side of that is I just. It's. It's so, you know, it's. It's so despicable that I feel like it needs to be called out wherever you see it, particularly by her. I mean, she really does not deserve to have the kind of, you know, megaphone or influence that she has. I mean, she's. Because she's just. I just think she's a terrible person. Sitting there with a couple other women who I think have. Well, they're demonstrated pretty. Pretty evidently over the last couple weeks. They're. They're kind of terrible people, too.

[Sacha Stone]

And here is Erica Kirk's response, the one Tom Bevin references. You know, I. I have been called so many names. I have been slandered, and none of that means anything to me. It's all just noise.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's really been crazy. No, it's unbelievable. Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things. And I know you get this because.

[Sacha Stone]

You have a very. You have a thick skin and a soft heart.

[Megyn Kelly]

The thing is, is that the more that people.

[Sacha Stone]

And it gets outlandish, more and more crazy is as time goes on, because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled.

[Megyn Kelly]

But I'm okay with the world not understanding me. I'm okay with that.

[Sacha Stone]

I'm okay with. With they, you know, I. I don't.

[Megyn Kelly]

Want to look like the world.

[Sacha Stone]

We're. We're. As Christians, we're called to be in.

[Megyn Kelly]

The world, not of it.

[Sacha Stone]

And if they could understand me, then.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm not doing something. Something right.

[Sacha Stone]

That's. Well said.

[Megyn Kelly]

Forgive me. Did you see People didn't understand the hug that you and J.D. had. They went to the weirdest places. Erica.

[Sacha Stone]

Oh, my gosh, you guys, please.

[Megyn Kelly]

So for those of you who know me, I never. I. I'm a very.

[Sacha Stone]

I love.

[Megyn Kelly]

I hug is like, you're an intense hugger. Whoever is like, hating on a hug needs a hug themselves. I will give you a free hug anytime you want to hug. My love language is touch if you will. But seriously, that hug.

[Sacha Stone]

So I will give you a play by play walking. They just played the emotional video.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm walking over, he's walking over. I'm starting to cry. He says, he's so proud of you. And I say, God bless you. And I touch the back of his head. Anyone who I've hugged that I have.

[Sacha Stone]

Touched the back of your head, when.

[Megyn Kelly]

I hug you, I always say, God bless you. That's just me. If you want to take that out.

[Sacha Stone]

Of context, go right ahead.

[Megyn Kelly]

Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else. So if anyone, they were acting like you touched the back of his ass. I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that.

[Sacha Stone]

Versus. But no, seriously. So now when I go and hug people, I'll bring them back in and be like, I obviously didn't give you the right hug.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, come let me touch the back of my head.

[Tom Bevin]

Go.

[Sacha Stone]

I don't know what to do with my head.

[Megyn Kelly]

Can't touch the head. What can I touch?

[Sacha Stone]

I know, I'm just not me.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm always like, if you touch the back of my head, I'm like, oh, she's feeling the extensions.

[Sacha Stone]

If the spell on Charlie was to make everyone hate him, then it failed. If it was to shut him up, it also failed. His message will carry on, and he is more beloved today than he ever was in life. It turns out that love is harder to kill than even people. Love lives on in the hearts of all of us. It spreads. It unites us. It redeems us. Love was what hundreds of thousands expressed in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death. And even now, Charlie's memory lives on in clips of his tiny daughter running into his arms. And how he told the story of meeting Eric.

[Megyn Kelly]

Story time.

[Tom Bevin]

So we're here at Phil's Burgers in New York City, and right near this very table was the first time dad dad met Mama. And it started as a job interview. I was asking all these questions, asking all these questions. Philosophy, religion, Jesus.

[Sacha Stone]

And then I realized Mama was beautiful.

[Tom Bevin]

And smart and elegant and Christ like. And so I said, forget this job interview.

[Megyn Kelly]

I want to date you.

[Tom Bevin]

I said, I have enough friends.

[Sacha Stone]

And that's where your journey started. And how he explained Newton's laws to his baby. On money matters, very important.

[Tom Bevin]

Sir Isaac Newton fell asleep underneath a.

[Sacha Stone]

Tree.

[Tom Bevin]

And then the apple hit him, kind of like this. Then he came up with the three laws. Okay, see, that's the issue is you keep on thinking.

[Sacha Stone]

When you drop it, it comes back up. But it doesn't. Okay, the three laws of Newtonian physics. You're gonna be quizzed on this later. You won't.

[Tom Bevin]

An object at rest will stay at rest. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. For example, if I push it, it goes towards. And finally, force equals mass times acceleration. Any question?

[Sacha Stone]

The witches believe those who do not agree with them must be gotten rid of and nothing else will satisfy. They will use emotional blackmail, uniform caterwauling, non stop whining and complaining, and all of the other ways women have learned over the millennia to drive society to the brink of madness. And none of it will work. Unfortunately for the wicked witches of the left, their power is about as useful as their policies and their candidates. Limp, dull, flaccid women like I used to be. And witches like they are, tend to our needs and our fragility. For years we treated ourselves to therapy, yoga, meditation, Oprah, to aging, antidepressants and keto. Eventually, when we fixed ourselves and attempted to raise our perfect children, we overprotected them. And in the wake of Columbine and 9 11, everywhere we looked, we saw danger. We thought every man was a potential child molester. We worried about school shootings. We worried about microplastics and pollution. We thought we could protect our kids, to raise them with high self esteem. But we forgot about strength and resiliency. We abandoned that in ourselves and we never taught it to our children. What I've learned coming out of this era is that you can't control the world. Even if, as women, as mothers, as wives, as business owners, we'd like to have complete control over everything because we believe we could create a perfect world. I eventually realized, you can't. It's not possible. Trump came along because we needed to be reminded of what it is to survive. Things, events, tragedies, wars and words. The answer is not to control everything and everyone. The answer is to be strong and just survive. And that's why these women are now witches, huddled over their cauldron, chanting out their spells and will never succeed and never hold power, because they can't survive if they can't survive. Words. If they can't survive Trump, they most certainly can't be in charge of this country. Here is a montage from TikTok. Walls are closing in on him. Can you imagine? Can you imagine how he's feeling? I love that. I love it. So there's only one thing left for you to do, Donald Trump. Pack your shit. Get the out of the White House, out of the people's House, or what.

[Megyn Kelly]

Remains of the people's House.

[Sacha Stone]

You can't replace the third of that you've already destroyed. Get the out of the people's house, pack all of your gold and get the out. It's time for you to go. It's only gonna get worse for you from here. Pack your shit and get out.

[Tom Bevin]

How do you make it through the day? I am.

[Megyn Kelly]

I am so filled with rage. I am so. I cannot even believe that this is the state of the world that we live in right now. How do you make it through the day?

[Sacha Stone]

One that feels like this is like the worst movie ever. And things just keep jumping the shark. And every scene that comes up next, it's worse than the other. And you look at your friend, you're like, there is no, no way that could happen. That's not possible. No one would ever allow such a thing to happen. And you keep watching. And it did happen. It was allowed to happen. And then something even worse comes up and no one is taken away. Like, you're waiting for the climax of the movie where the person is arrested, where the. The military comes and takes him away, where he's impeached, where all these things happen because all of the things have been so, so ridiculous that has to be the next thing, but it's not the next thing. So what are we waiting for? Are we waiting for the next thing to be a button to be pushed? Is that where the climax of the movie is? Is it going to be that? Because it doesn't need to be that. It needs to be where he's literally dragged away in cuffs. That needs to be the climax of the movie. I'm so sorry. I have a physical reaction to anything. When the person, president, or any of his administration pop up, I'm having a visceral physical reaction. And I told myself I was going to avoid any negativity, but I realized I'm not the one that's creating it. I'm out there trying to understand it. And I wake up every single day wondering when it's going to end. It is a circus. So I'm just feeling particularly hopeless today. I mean, nothing in particular. It just feels like.

[Megyn Kelly]

It feels like the people who could.

[Sacha Stone]

Be doing something aren't.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I know that there's a lot of claims that we have a lot.

[Sacha Stone]

Of power as people, but I don't.

[Megyn Kelly]

Think that we're willing to do anything about it. And I feel very trapped.

[Sacha Stone]

And what I don't need right now is you telling me that I'm overreacting. And I don't need you calling me.

[Megyn Kelly]

A bleeding heart liberal or whatever nonsense.

[Sacha Stone]

I just need somebody to tell me.

[Megyn Kelly]

That it's like actually going to be okay. Because it really, really doesn't feel like it's actually going to be okay.

[Sacha Stone]

Like you get it, right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, do you feel it?

[Sacha Stone]

Do you, do you see it?

[Megyn Kelly]

American citizens are being dragged away at.

[Tom Bevin]

Protests, which PS is supposed to be.

[Megyn Kelly]

Constitutionally our right to protest. And I mean, this is crazy.

[Sacha Stone]

This is crazy. You can tell that that big boned ball, fat rotting piece of in the.

[Megyn Kelly]

White House that's melting into his chair and that gaudy, tacky ass Oval Office is a rapist just based on how he has been forcing his presence and his face and his stupid voice into our faces for the past ten goddamn years. Years. He will not leave us alone.

[Sacha Stone]

Every God damn morning I open my.

[Tom Bevin]

Phone, I see some more bullshit from this man.

[Sacha Stone]

He's the most relentless, vile creature I have ever seen in my life. I have never in all of my years been so goddamn tired of a human being. That man started that. The first time that man ran for.

[Megyn Kelly]

President, which is abominable by the way.

[Sacha Stone]

But the first time that man ran for president, I was a 20 year old college student. I am 31 years old.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm a grown ass woman.

[Sacha Stone]

Now that man's been running for president.

[Megyn Kelly]

A third of my life.

[Sacha Stone]

He will not leave us alone.

[Megyn Kelly]

And this type of behavior is all I need to know to see that he's done definitely a rapist. And all of those allegations against him are true.

[Tom Bevin]

And they are not the Epstein files, they are the Trump files.

[Sacha Stone]

All anyone had to do was listen to Charlie and hear what he had to say. If he disagreed, debate him. Yet you can hear in their messaging who they thought he was. And this was the worst they could say about him. From Jezebel. Quote, A cornerstone of Kirk's nightmare ideology is his insistence that gaining more independence Western women are more miserable than ever. He tells auditoriums full of young women that our freedom is a flaw, not an achievement. He's obsessed with declining birth rates and idealizes the 1950s when women's only job was tending to children and husbands. If we all abandon our careers and return to motherhood, we'd be happier, according to Kirk. Indeed, he fails to realize that I would be happiest if he would just shut up and quit.

[Megyn Kelly]

Quote.

[Sacha Stone]

She could not offer up a stronger argument to the contrary because look at her. She is proof he was right. She's miserable. Jennifer Welch is miserable. All of the witches are miserable. I was miserable. I bought the feminist lie, and I know what it is to look back at my life with regret. How can they sell that to young women? The Jezebel writer consoled herself with a petition that was launched on the Utah campus that would become the site of Charlie's murder. Quote the petition was launched on Friday, August 22, and had already been signed over 3,800 times. Could this be the make everyone hate him at work, end quote. But the petition grew to 6,829, all of them in agreement that the university should prevent Charlie from speaking, the petition reads. Sign this petition to send a clear message that we stand united for a university that upholds the tenets of inclusivity, respect and enlightenment. Let us work together to ensure Utah State University remains a campus where all students feel safe, valued and respected. End quote. Yeah, shutting him up by any means necessary sure sounds like inclusivity, respect and enlightenment to me. Sounds more like the very definition of conform. Or else these wicked witches and so much of the left's once mighty empire invented a version of Charlie Kirk that never existed and transformed him into a monster of their own making. They wanted to send a message to everyone who might think about disagreeing with them. On a college campus, no less. What are they teaching these kids? Not free speech or open debate. They invent monsters, chase those monsters, and then act shocked when loser nobodies pick up a gun and become their heroes. No, they aren't shocked. They're grateful. They should heed the wise words of Friedrich Nietzsche, he who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you. Welcome to the abyss, wicked witches of the left. Thank you for listening to my podcast, sashastone.com I hope you had a lovely Thanksgiving. I sure did. I'm still traveling. I'm in Ohio at the moment where it snowed and is very cold. But I'm having a wonderful time visiting with my daughter. And if you like my work, please consider becoming a paid subscriber or writing a review. Or you can even Leave a tip on the main page of my substack sashastone.com and remember to thine own self be true. All our times have come here but now they're gone Seasons don't fear the reaper do the wind, the sun or the rain Come on, baby Baby, take my hand we'll be able to fly Baby, I'm your man. La. Romeo and Juliet are together in eternity 40,000 men and women every day 40,000 men and women every Day another 40,000 coming every day Come on, baby Baby, take my hand don't feel the reaper we'll be able to fly I don't feel the reaper Baby, I'm your man. Love of two is one here but now they're gone Came the last night of sadness it was clear that you couldn't go on when the door was open and the wind appeared the candles blew and then disappeared the curtains flew and then he appeared and don't be afraid Come on, baby she had no fear and she ran ahead Looked backward and said goodbye she had taken his hand Come on, baby don't feel the reba. La.

[Tom Bevin]

La.

[Sacha Stone]

La.

[Tom Bevin]

Thank you.