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Episode: How Rupert Murdoch Built an Empire and Broke His Family

Aired: February 3, 2026

Host: Terry Gross & Sam Fragoso (guest interviewer)
Guest: Gabriel Sherman, journalist and author of Bonfire of the Murdochs

Episode Overview

This episode delves into the rise and family drama surrounding media magnate Rupert Murdoch. Through a conversation with Gabriel Sherman—author of Bonfire of the Murdochs—the program explores how Murdoch built a global conservative media empire, the effects on his family, the recent succession battle, his relationship with figures like Donald Trump, and the legacy he leaves behind. The discussion spans Murdoch’s business philosophy, his children’s rivalry, the broader impact on politics and media, and the personal toll of power.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The End of an Era: Succession Resolved

• Rupert Murdoch, at 95, finally names his most conservative son, Lachlan, as his successor (03:47).
• Legal battle among the four oldest children—Lachlan, James, Elizabeth, Prudence—over control of the Murdoch family trust and the direction of News Corp (00:55–03:33).
• Resolution: Lachlan and Rupert buy out the other three siblings, each receiving $1.1 billion. The family drama modeled by fiction (e.g., Succession) is, in Sherman's words, “a Shakespearean drama.” (03:36)

Murdoch’s Vision and Family Strategy

• Murdoch inherited his first newspaper at 21, aspiring to build a family business akin to what his father, Sir Keith Murdoch, gave him (00:55, 05:13).
• Sherman: “One of the tragedies, maybe the central tragedy of the book, is that Rupert Murdoch said that his dream was to build a family business. And what he built was a business that destroyed his family.” (05:45)
• The children were exposed to the business at a very young age, with family breakfasts acting as a training ground and moments with their father being rare and business-focused (05:45–06:50).

Who Are the Murdoch Children? (06:50–08:22)

• Prudence: Oldest, no role in the business, values privacy.
• Elizabeth: Ambitious, built ventures outside the empire, archetype of the daughter proving herself in a patriarchal family.
• Lachlan: Favored, the “golden child,” but a reluctant heir.
• James: The rebel, tried to find his place, most outspoken against the rightward drift.

A Family Shaped by Competition

• From early on, the siblings competed fiercely for Rupert’s attention, both intellectually and physically (e.g., pull-up contests, debate, charades) (08:37).

From Australia to the World: Business & Philosophy

• Rupert’s father’s mantra: “A newspaper is to be made to pay. Let it give the public what it wants.” (09:39–10:09)
• Sensationalism, profitability, and permanent family ownership (through special stock) characterized their approach (10:09–11:49).
• Murdoch’s philosophy: “I answer to no one but the public. They tell me what they want, and I give it to them.” (11:49)

Importing Tabloid Sensibilities to America

• Early attempts in the U.S. using sensational British tabloid style—finding success outside the mainstream first (12:11–13:43).
• By the time of Watergate, Murdoch had migrated rightward and saw himself as a corrective to “liberal” legacy media. He felt Nixon’s removal was unfair—a view that shaped Fox News’ adversarial stance (14:07–14:54).
• Quote: “Rupert saw himself as a bulwark... as a way to give conservatives a voice.” (14:54)

Sources of Family Conflict

• The succession decision (favoring Lachlan) was more personal rivalry than political principle—the “liberal” siblings opposed Fox News’s ideology more forcefully after being sidelined (15:35–17:22).
• Quote: “James’s opposition... only catalyzed after he was pushed to the side... It was only after he lost everything did he feel willing to speak up.” (16:13–17:22)

Moral Reckoning or Price Tag?

• The siblings received $1.1 billion each in exchange for relinquishing all voting shares and control. Sherman notes, “If James was truly horrified by the source of his wealth and privilege, well, then he could give the money back. And of course he’s not doing that.” (18:05)
• Some of the siblings are involved in more moderate political projects (e.g., James and wife investing in The Bulwark), but their impact is, as Sherman puts it, “like a BB gun on a battleship.” (19:14)

Murdoch & Trump: Allies of Convenience

• Their relationship is transactional and fraught with distrust; Murdoch influences Trump on some issues but regards him skeptically as a businessman (22:26–26:15).
• Sherman: "They're allies of convenience... I think they're like two lions in a cage. They circle each other and they'll work together when it benefits them, but neither of them trust each other." (24:23)

The Allure and Toll of Power

• Sherman’s fascination with powerful, morally ambiguous figures like Murdoch, Trump, and Roger Ailes stems from a personal and journalistic curiosity about “the dark side of power," relating it to his own childhood experience with bullies and powerlessness (26:51–29:22).
• He stresses the importance of showing such figures “in all their true colors”—both human and accountable (30:30).

Legacy & Loss of Control

• Sherman likens Murdoch to a “surfer” riding the wave of media populism he unleashed, rather than leading it—especially post-2020 and the Dominion lawsuit (33:03).
• Fox News remains profitable, but influence is shifting toward digital-first personalities (Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens), leaving Fox’s audience older and media strategies outdated (34:00–36:38).

Was It Worth It?

• Murdoch likely considers holding onto the business—the “family business”—through Lachlan his ultimate success, even at the cost of family estrangement (36:38–37:56).
• Quote: “He has actually done what he set out to do... but at the cost of destroying the nuclear family in which they grew up.” (36:55)

On Murdoch’s Legacy

• Murdoch changed the world, undeniably—“I happen to think he’s been an incredibly destructive force... but regardless... he is a consequential figure. He did change the world. I think, unfortunately, now we're all going to be living with the consequences.” (38:20)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the central tragedy:
  “One of the tragedies, maybe the central tragedy of the book, is that Rupert Murdoch said that his dream was to build a family business. And what he built was a business that destroyed his family.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (05:45)

• On family competition:
  “There's something very universal about the way these children were competing amongst each other to earn the attention of their very busy and sometimes withholding father.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (08:37)

• On Fox News's business model:
  “Rupert saw himself as a bulwark... as a way to give conservatives a voice.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (14:54)

• On the siblings’ buyout:
  “If James was truly horrified by the source of his wealth and his privilege, well, then he could give the money back. And of course he's not doing that... there's no real heroes or villains in this story. There's just a family.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (18:05)

• On Murdoch’s relationship with Trump:
  “I think they're like two lions in a cage. They circle each other and they'll work together when it benefits them, but... neither of them trust each other.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (24:23)

• On consequences and legacy:
  “He did change the world. I think, unfortunately, now we're all going to be living with the consequences.”
  — Gabriel Sherman (38:20)

Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:15 – 03:33: Introduction to the Murdoch empire, succession drama, background on Gabriel Sherman.
• 03:36 – 05:45: Sherman explains what catalyzed his book and contextualizes Murdoch’s legacy.
• 05:45 – 08:22: The Murdoch children—roles, personalities, family competition.
• 09:39 – 11:49: Sir Keith Murdoch’s influence; tabloid philosophy and securing control.
• 12:11 – 13:43: Murdoch’s early American ventures and adaptation of sensationalism.
• 14:07 – 14:54: Murdoch’s rightward political shift post-Watergate.
• 15:35 – 17:22: The “liberal” Murdoch children’s break from the family and Fox News.
• 18:05 – 19:14: Buyout’s price and the limits of the siblings' moral opposition.
• 22:26 – 26:15: Murdoch’s relationship with Trump—mutual utility, lack of respect.
• 26:51 – 30:30: Sherman discusses his fascination with power and motivation as a writer.
• 33:03 – 34:00: Murdoch’s loss of control over the “outrage machine.”
• 36:38 – 37:56: Murdoch’s perception of family business versus family togetherness.
• 38:20 – 38:55: Final reflections on Murdoch’s legacy.

Takeaways

• Rupert Murdoch’s efforts to build a family dynasty ultimately fractured his family, even as he succeeded in maintaining the empire.
• Family rivalries were as much about personal power as political ideology.
• The conservative media “outrage machine” spawned by Fox News now extends beyond Murdoch's control, changing the landscape of right-wing media.
• Sherman’s reporting reflects both personal curiosity about power and journalistic scrutiny for accountability.
• Murdoch’s legacy is profound and controversial: a world-changing figure whose influence continues to ripple through media, politics, and family life.

For deeper context or further reading, see Gabriel Sherman’s book, Bonfire of the Murdochs.