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Tonya Moseley
This is FRESH air. I'm Tonya Moseley. And today my guest is Kate Hudson. She's up for an Oscar for her role as Claire in the film Song Sung Blue, starring opposite Hugh Jackman as one half of Lightning and Thunder, a Neil diamond tribute band. Here they are together singing Neil Diamond's 1971 hit Solomon.
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Singer
Take my hands with love, Walk with
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Kate Hudson
me this day
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Singer
in my heart I know I will never stray. Holly, Holly, Holly. How it.
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Kate Hudson
Brother?
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Tonya Moseley
Watching from if folks could see you just started singing as you were listening to yourself.
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Kate Hudson
It's such a joyous song.
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Tonya Moseley
Yeah, yeah. Kate Hudson landed the role of Claire Sardina after Hugh Jackman first saw her sing on CBS Sunday morning. He had already committed to the movie, and he was so taken by her performance that he texted director Craig Brewer and said, I think I just found your Claire. She was on TV promoting her debut album, Glorious, which she began writing during the pandemic. And while Hudson is primarily known for her acting, as I was preparing for this interview, I was struck by just how often she's used her voice over the years, singing on screen in 9, performing Cinema Italiano and on television in Glee, where she played the demanding dance instructor Cassandra July. This latest Oscar nomination for best actress comes 25 years after she first earned a nod for playing Penny Lane and Cameron Crowe's Almost Famous. From there, she became one of the most recognizable romantic comedy stars in the 2000s, starring in films like how to Lose a guy in 10 days and bride Wars. Most recently, she starred in the Knives out sequel Glass Onion and the Netflix series Running Point, about a woman who inherits ownership of a professional basketball team. The show has been picked up for a second season. And Kate Hudson, welcome to FRESH air. And congratulations on your Oscar nomination.
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Kate Hudson
Thank you. It's nice to be here. I look forward to our conversation.
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Tonya Moseley
Yes. Well, I just had a chance to look at this Oscar nomination luncheon.
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Kate Hudson
Yes.
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Tonya Moseley
Where all of you all are on bleachers and it's like a class photo. It's almost like a graduation.
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Kate Hudson
It is. It is. I remember it the first time. It's actually one of my favorite experiences. Cause I remember the first time feeling like, oh, you know, we all got to be in one room. And it's really just a bunch of people who love to make movies. It's you know, there's not a lot of other people there. It's just sort of celebrating this class this year of movies. And when you're a part of that, it's really fun. It feels, it feels really nice.
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Tonya Moseley
You mentioned the first time, it was in 2001 where you were nominated for your role as Penny Lane in Almost Famous. I put both of those photographs side by side when I saw this most recent photograph. I mean, you're ravishing in this red outfit and you're smiling ear to ear. You're also, you have that same energy from 25 years ago, but there's sort of a pensiveness there in you. You know, you're the young kid on the block at that time. How did it feel with that 25 year separation being in that room and really sitting with the fact that you're there again?
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Kate Hudson
Well, it feels different. I, I've been comparing it to like having my third baby. You soak in everything very differently. You take it in differently and you have so much knowledge. I mean, that was one of the great things about the Oscar nomination luncheon was, was I've worked with two of those costume designers. I've worked with so many people in the room. I just, you look around so many
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Tonya Moseley
producers, like a reunion almost.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. The person that was in front of me is Dede. She was the executive on how to Lose a guy in 10 days. Like, you realize that you create a family that in this industry it's a. And like in family, you see all of it. You see the good, you see the bad, you see the ugly. And it's an amazing, incredible, dysfunctional family. Yeah. And then every once in a while, you get to celebrate the best of the best of the year.
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Tonya Moseley
Well, let's get into the role that you have been nominated for. Your character, Claire Sardina, she's a real person. A hairdresser from Milwaukee who performs as a Patsy Cline impersonator by night. And she and her husband Mike create a Neil diamond tribute band called Lightning and Thunder. They're everyday people with real battles. We watch them as they recognize that within themselves and each other. And in this scene I want to play, the two of you are on a date. It's before you're married and you're sharing your hopes and dreams. Let's listen.
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Hugh Jackman
I'm always going to be an alcoholic, but I've been sober 20 years. The other day it was, well, they call it a sober birthday.
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Kate Hudson
Happy belated sober birthday.
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Hugh Jackman
Here's the thing with sobriety.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Hugh Jackman
You Gotta face up to certain truths.
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Kate Hudson
Way to go, Lightning. 20 years.
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Hugh Jackman
All right. I'm not a songwriter. I'm not a sex symbol, But I just want to entertain people, and I want to make a living.
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Kate Hudson
I know. Me too. I don't want to be a hairdresser. I want to sing. I want to dance. I want a house. I want a garden. I want a cat.
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Hugh Jackman
So here's what I'm thinking. I need a hook. I need something big. I need something new. And as you put it, nostalgia pays.
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Tonya Moseley
That was my guest, Kate Hudson with Hugh Jackman in the film song Sung Blue. What was it about Claire's arc that you felt you understood?
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Kate Hudson
Well, I think part of what's fun about what we get to do is that there's some things we don't understand, and we have to delve into it and try to portray something that seems further away from. From your real life than maybe other people would think. It's like there's not much about Claire's life that I really would personally be able to understand. The one thing that I do understand about Claire is her longing for love and family, her strong desire for community, and her love of music and her love of singing and performing. Everything else became about honoring her story and really trying to, you know, portray that as successfully as I could. And respectfully.
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Tonya Moseley
She has ups and downs, but, I mean, she. She really. There's a moment where she actually loses her leg. And so you had to learn how to kind of move even your body with the idea of wearing a prosthetic. She deals with depression, ups and downs, all of those things as well.
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Kate Hudson
Addiction.
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Tonya Moseley
Addiction as well. You chose not to meet with the real Claire, and I wondered, is that. Is there something that gets in the way of being able to explore those parts of her by not meeting her?
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Kate Hudson
I chose not to research her personally. Right. So I have met Claire, and I've spent time with Claire, and she's amazing, and I love her, and it was great. So when we started filming, I did spend some time time with her. But in the beginning, it was important for me and for Craig that you know Craig's story. You know, Craig Brewer, the director. Craig Brewer, the director. We're making this film that is a adaptation of the documentary. And he took eight years of their life consolidated into two. And my job as an actor is to give Craig the movie he wants. His relationship to Claire and the family is the intimate one. And for me, I think it would distract me from being able to give Craig what he needed. You know, I Didn't want to challenge him because I had spent so much time with Claire. I want to trust my director and what his vision is for his version of their life story. And then Claire sort of came to set, and then we got to meet each other and hang out, and I'd already done all of the work, you know, and getting to know Claire after that became the validation that we were.
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Tonya Moseley
That you were on the right track.
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Kate Hudson
On the right track.
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Tonya Moseley
Yeah. Well, that's the part that's so fascinating to me. You know, I did ask you the question, what was it about the character that really drew you in that you found that really spoke to you? But what were the challenges of the character itself that drew you to her, that made you say, I want to live in this space, in this world and be this person for what she draws out in the story?
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Kate Hudson
I mean, I think women, when you read a lot of scripts and you read a lot of the types of characters that are written for women, very rarely do you see ones that hit all the notes, right? So you can see things that are down the line. You can see what someone just sort of said to me, which I thought was interesting. A great way of putting it. They call it trauma porn. You know, you can see things where it's like, okay, we're gonna lean into the complication of women, and we're gonna hit it as hard as possible. And then you see things that are the opposite. They're bright, and they sort of lack depth and complication because they're seen as being, like, comedic or funny or one dimensional. One dimensional. Thank you. And very rarely do you see all of them in one. For women, when I see something like this, it's like it's not only just what drew me to it, it's that they're not around like that that much. Right? So I got to play the comedy, some sense of humor. I got to play the love, the love story, the desire. I got to play being a mother and a. And then I got to go into a place of where my life force is taken out of me, you know, and what that complication is as a mother, to not want to be present or exist or live to be under the throes of addiction and living with intense shame and then trying to fight your way out of it. It's like, very, very rare. So everything attracted me to that project. The scary thing is that then you risk. Because this movie isn't one dimensional. It doesn't hit you over the head with one thing. It has to walk a Line. Those kinds of movies are so hard to execute because they risk being too earnest or too sentimental or they risk not being truthful enough in stories of addiction or depression. How do you make a entertaining, life affirming story about such an intense struggle of someone's life? So when you can hit the sweet spot, these are the types of movies, I think, that live forever.
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Tonya Moseley
You know, Kate, in the intro I mentioned that Hugh Jackman saw you singing on CBS Sunday Morning. And I know you taking on this role. The story's much more complicated than that. But the fact that he saw you and then text it to Craig Brewer, the director. I think I just found your Claire. And had anyone in the industry ever chosen you for your voice before that moment?
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Kate Hudson
You know, I think Hugh. It wasn't about my voice as much as it is about what I was talking about. And what I was saying was talking about why I had to make an album and Hugh to speak for Hugh, you know, he would reiterate when he saw it. I was talking about my kids, I was talking about COVID and what happened when I was sort of reflecting on if I was going to die. Am I happy with my creative output? I'm very happy with myself as a mother. Like, I feel like I've hit. I've made all the right mistakes and all the wrong mistakes. I feel like I've been really great when it comes to parenting.
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Tonya Moseley
I'll tell you, Kate, it's so refreshing to meet a woman who says that because don't we so often, like we're always stopping for a moment to say, I'm not sure if I was a great mom.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, yeah. But I like who my kids are. And so as I get to know them, I got one, an adult, as I get to know him as his own man. And as an adult, I'm really proud of myself for the work I put in for him. And I am in it with my teenager right now in the best possible way and my young girl, seven. Like, momming is everything to me and I'm proud of that output. Like, I put a lot into that. And so I could say, you know, during COVID if this was it, I felt confident in what I've given my kids so far. But I couldn't say that about my art. And that would be my own personal sadness and regret is that I didn't share my writings as a musician. Whether people liked them or not. I just really was not happy with the fact that I wasn't brave enough to put it out there.
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Tonya Moseley
What had Been holding you back prior to Covid, when you wrote Glorious and the funny story about how the album came together. But prior to that, what had been the thing holding you back?
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Kate Hudson
Oh, so many things. There's so many aspects to this. I mean, number one, I became pretty famous pretty young. And at that time, you didn't do both that time. If I told everybody I was gonna go make an album, everybody would be scared. If it wasn't a success, it could have been the end of my career. It's like, don't break what's not broken. I was very happy. I met my husband at the time, my ex husband, Chris. He's a rock star. You know what? I'll stay in my lane. I lived music with him. I got my. You know, he was incredibly supportive of mine and always wanted me to sing. We used to. We even, like, did, like, little shows where we sang together, but I was comfortable. So it just sort of kept taking back seats all the time. And then all of a sudden, I was in my late 20s, and I was in my early 30s, and I'm in my late 30s, and I'm like, this isn't coming to me. Like, I'm either gonna have to make this happen and be courageous enough to make the leap or. Or it's not gonna happen, and then I'm gonna regret it. And that was what. That's what happened in Covid.
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Tonya Moseley
And Covid is such an interesting time because it is the moment where so many of us. The quiet almost made all of those voices inside of us louder.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, quiet's good.
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Tonya Moseley
That story, though, about how you came to the album, singer, songwriter, or songwriter, Linda Perry saw you singing Katy Perry's firework at a school fundraiser over Zoom.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Tonya Moseley
Tell us that story. So she saw that and she said, wait a minute.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, she cold called me, and she was like, what the Mm. And I was like, I didn't know you sang like that. And I was like, well, I love to sing. At the time, I had already done the thing in lockdown where I was like, I'm just gonna say yes to everything. Oh, if someone asks me to sing, I'm gonna say yes. I'm not gonna be scared of it. I'm just gonna say yes.
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Tonya Moseley
Because you had been asked before.
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Kate Hudson
All the time. Oh, my God. All the time. Whether it be for a charity event or for a telethon or for an award show, even Broadway. So many amazing people that. And so many directors and people have come to me like, come on, Come on. And I've always Been like, oh, I'm not ready. I'm not ready, or, no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to say I'm. You know, because I didn't have the. Like. It's like being thrown into the fire, right? You're sort of like. It's not like I'm in a little club or something singing. It's like, you know, all of a sudden, I'm in front On a television show in front of millions of people singing, and I'm like, I don't know if I'm ready for that.
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Tonya Moseley
What is the difference between singing versus acting and being in front of millions of people?
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Kate Hudson
Well, no, you have to understand, for me, music is about my writing. I'm not a performing recording artist. So even though I would love to have probably been and done that, for me, if I was to do music, I didn't want it to be like someone else's music. Right. And I always believed that if I was gonna do it, I had to do it properly, like, organically. I wanted to make an album. I wanted it to be mine and music for me. I didn't want it to be like someone else's. I've been doing that my whole career with acting. So I felt like if I'm gonna do it, I have to focus on it. I have to take the time. I have to give it the respect that music deserves and write it myself.
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Tonya Moseley
I would actually play the title track of your 2024 album, Glorious. And legend has it that you wrote this song first off in 10 minutes.
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Kate Hudson
We did, yeah. Linda. Linda and I. She just started to write. I was like, I just want to write, like, a big ballad, you know, Linda Perry special. It's like. Yeah. And, like, she sat at the piano, and it was like, 10 minutes. We wrote that song so fast.
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Tonya Moseley
I want to play it for people. The clip I'm going to play. You're performing Glorious on the NBC show the Voice. Let's listen.
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Kate Hudson
I came up strong to what I was made of I took on life a bit untamed But I could see a restless fire in his eyes A love that never came.
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Singer
Help me get through this tainted Long and easy to break your heart has left me again Let light shine our last dance let us remember
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Kate Hudson
it was
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Singer
glorious the times it was the two of us and if that is all we ever know Then we'll take it to the end of town Halloween was glorious.
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Fresh Air Announcer
That's my guest, Kate Hudson, singing the song Glorious. A live performance on the show the Voice we'll be right back after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is FRESH Air.
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Tonya Moseley
wherever you get podcasts, there's a song to your son, to your children.
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Kate Hudson
Live Forever.
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Tonya Moseley
Live forever.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Tonya Moseley
Now that, I mean, love that song. The words of the song, I mean, it's. I'm folding laundry, crying, thinking about my kids. I mean, that is your love letter to your children.
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Kate Hudson
That's my. Yeah, it really is. And I remember when Ronnie heard it, she's like, is that song for all of us? Because I wrote it really, because Ryder was going to college, you know, and I was like, of course.
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Tonya Moseley
One of your children.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, Ronnie, my little one, was like, is that for all of us? Like, what's my song? And I was like, it's for all of you guys, you know? But Ryder inspired it because he was leaving for college. And you think about your kids when they go, you're gonna be doing this very soon.
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Tonya Moseley
Oh, my daughter went this year.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, she went this year. Oh. So you experienced it?
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Tonya Moseley
I experienced it, yeah.
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Kate Hudson
So when I wrote this song, live Forever, he was leaving. He was about to leave. So the song kind of wrote itself. And I just kept thinking about how our children, they move on and you have to let them go. But the connection, whether we're here on this earth or whether we pass away, it's just that love is forever. And so every step of the way, you know, you are like, you know, I got you. Even when you let them go, you got them. You're here. You know, that idea of like, if you need me, I'm here.
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Tonya Moseley
You know, what's so interesting about you, among so many things, Kate, is that we kind of have been following that road, both in your experience as a mother, but then also your experience with your mother, Goldie Hawn, watching that happen, your career blossom as a child of a famous actress, and then you grow and come of age, and then now you are in this position thinking about your kids. But I wanted to ask you, as it relates to the music side of you, you've called your music your Hudson side, because your biological father is Bill Hudson, and he was a vocalist for the Hudson Brothers, which was a variety and rock act from the 1960s and guitar player, 60s, 70s, and a guitar player. Ye.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. Guitar, piano, songwriter, singer.
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Tonya Moseley
You didn't grow up with him?
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Kate Hudson
No, though. No.
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Tonya Moseley
Did you always know that your musical side came from him then? Were you aware of that as a child, loving music that, hey, this might be from my dad's side?
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Kate Hudson
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Cause my dad and I, we, you know, in the early, early years, you know, I got some pretty good experiences with my father. And, you know, he's a musician, so our whole understanding of dad was music. My sister is an amazing musician. My brother Zach, great musician. My half siblings, my cousin Sarah Hudson, amazing songwriter, writes a ton of big pop songs. And as a young girl, I grew up in my house and where I grew up with my mom and my stepdad, Kurt, I had a very different relationship to music than what the house offered. Right. So, like, I didn't grow up in a house where, like, there was a ton of vinyl and we were, like, listening to, you know, a ton of different albums or records, you know, or who, you know, like how my kids grow up where they're just exposed to so much music. Our house was, you know, filled with music, but in a different way. So my discovery and my connection to music always felt different than, like it came from somewhere else. So it was very early on, I knew. I knew very clearly it was my
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Tonya Moseley
Hudson side because they were just listening to music. And you were, like, really into music.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, I mean, I had to write music. Like, I'd sit in my room for hours and I'd, like, rewrite lyrics to other people's songs.
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Tonya Moseley
Who were the artists?
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Kate Hudson
I'm the kinds. I'm a music fan, so it's not just one. I didn't have one inspiration growing up, but it would go. It would span anywhere from I remember buying my first Ella Fitzgerald box set to Hank Williams box set to Jimi Hendrix, to De La Soul Tribe Call Quest to Radiohead to Belinda Carlisle, to the Go Go's to. I mean, it was. It's all over the Cure. Like, I was all over the place. I love music. You know, Poyner Sisters was a big one for me when I was little.
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Tonya Moseley
Who were you rewriting?
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Kate Hudson
Everybody. Not because I wanted to rewrite their music, because ever was because I wanted to understand how to write music.
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Tonya Moseley
You were dissecting it.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, it was like. I was like, oh, I would love. Phrasing is such an amazing thing to hear. And you hear all these great artists and what's always separated sort of the great, like folk writers or, you know, singer songwriters was their. Their love of lyrics. So like Nebraska, which I love, I, you know, it was it's fun to have seen that movie this year. But Nebraska was such a great album because it's so lyrically heavy. You know, Bruce loves a good lyric, loves his lyrics, and I love writers that love lyrics. And so Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift, like very lyric driven artists, storytellers. That's a very different kind of writing than pop music or R and B, you know. So I, I get into it and so I would just sit and I'd sit in my room and I'd rewrite lyrics to understand what like a pop hook, like a lyrical hook looks like.
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Fresh Air Announcer
Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guest is Kate Hudson, Oscar nominated actress, singer and entrepreneur.
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Tonya Moseley
We're talking about her life, her family
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Fresh Air Announcer
and her most recent film song, Sung Blue.
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Tonya Moseley
We'll be right back after a short break.
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Fresh Air Announcer
This is FRESH air.
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Tonya Moseley
Kate, your breakout role, for which you earned your first Oscar nomination and Golden Globe win was as Penny Lane and Almost Famous. And I actually want to play a scene from near the beginning of the film. So the young teen journalist William, played by Patrick Fugate, is at the back door of a concert and the guard is not letting him in. And a few young women, including your character, Penny Lane, come back to the back door. Oh, yeah. And start talking to William. Let's listen.
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Kate Hudson
Penny Lane, man, show some respect.
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Patrick Fugate
Who are you with? What band?
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Tonya Moseley
Oh, I'm here to interview Black Sabbath. I'm a journalist. I'm not, not a, you know.
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Kate Hudson
You're not a what? You're not a what?
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Tonya Moseley
Not a
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Kate Hudson
groupie.
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Patrick Fugate
Groupie.
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Kate Hudson
We are not groupies.
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Patrick Fugate
This is Penny Lane, man. Show some respect.
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Kate Hudson
Groupies sleep with rock stars because they want to be near someone famous. We're here because of the music. We are banding.
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Patrick Fugate
She used to run a school for Band Aids.
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Kate Hudson
We don't have intercourse with these guys. We inspire the music. We're here because of the music.
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Patrick Fugate
You know, she was the one who changed everything. She was the one who said no more sex, no more exploiting our bodies and our hearts.
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Tonya Moseley
Right. Right.
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Patrick Fugate
Just. And that's it.
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Tonya Moseley
That was my guest today, Kate Hudson in Almost Famous. That is one of the most famous scenes because of course, you really lay out who they are and what you do and what you, what you don't do.
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Kate Hudson
We are Band Aids. That's right. One of my favorite things, I did this show in San Diego and, you know, girls come and they like had these little signs that Said, wear your band aids. And it was so cute. I loved it so much. I was like, oh, so fun. Yeah, Penny Lane, man.
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Tonya Moseley
I mean, you've said that you didn't have to reach very far to get to Penny Lane, which makes sense learning about you even in this conversation. But what's a memory that you come back to the most in the filming of that iconic movie?
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Kate Hudson
Oh, there's a million memories. I mean, there's no most. The whole entire experience of making that film was not only has it never repeated itself in terms of, like, experience and what that felt like, but it was so special for multiple reasons. Number one, Cameron Crowe is brilliant and an amazing person to work, amazing director to work for as an actor. Like, I couldn't have asked for, like, how lucky was I that I got to work with Cameron Crowe, like, so young on a role that was so layered, but it was his life story. So we were all, again, like, song sung blue. There was this very, like, strong intention to get it right for Cameron, and everybody was in on it. We all wanted to get it right for Cam. And so that made it very different than it was six months. It was a long shoot. We all got to know each other very well. We had Rock School, like, there was a lot. Rock School was about a month before we started shooting. The band was learning how to play all the instruments, all the songs. The fictitious band and the girls were band aids. You know, we were hanging around and we'd like, you know, get them food and, like, you know, I was like, bringing, you know, Billy, like, you know, Billy Crudup. Billy Crudup towel. We would just, like, hang, you know, we'd all, like, smoke and live. This alternate. In this alternate universe that we hadn't experienced yet.
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Tonya Moseley
Kind of like method acting, preparing Rock School, preparing you for the real thing.
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Kate Hudson
It's kind of what it was. Yeah. And we were all so young and so fun. So, you know, we were having a great time together. And then the work was intense. You know, it was big set pieces, long days, big crew. So as much fun as we were having then, we like anything else, like, it's a job and hard, great work.
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Tonya Moseley
Was there anything about that experience in particular? Because I think about the fact that you were nominated for an Academy Award for your performance that you then took with you for the rest of your career, because what an experience to have that kind of was a lesson or a device or a thing that you took with you.
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Kate Hudson
Preparation again, I think, focus. Cameron is a writer, director. His words are important to him. As they should be. And when you're young, you are learning kind of that sometimes a change of a word might not be the right word to change. So.
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Tonya Moseley
Oh, did that happen?
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Kate Hudson
Well, I mean, I think it happens a lot, you know, when you're working and you're like, you know, in the middle of a scene and your brain might flub something and all of a sudden you're saying it in a different way or changing the way that the line works. When you're working with someone like Cameron, the way he writes is specific to his storytelling. And then the goal is making that seem effortless again, which can be challenging because Cameron's words are specific. And so when you get his words right, it's magic. And then, of course, then you have a career and you realize sometimes what's on the page shouldn't be on the page. And you gotta be able to decipher when that's when you're working with the right person to do that with and then maybe being a helpful collaborative partner and, you know, changing certain things around.
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Tonya Moseley
So this is so interesting because, you know, you then went on to become, I don't think it's overstating to say almost like the rom com queen. And you just played those roles really well. But you've also said that that genre has been dumbed down in a way that you wish that it would be elevated back up.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, my God, it's been so dumbed down. I mean, anybody who. We all know it, the rom com genre is a very hard genre to get right because people, like, they see one formula of a rom com and then they want to repeat it over and over again.
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Tonya Moseley
Because it's like, that worked how to Lose a guy in 10 days. Right? That works.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. So let's repeat that. There is a specific formula, but I find that at the end of the day, the ones that have succeeded are the ones that are approached like they're going to be like a critically acclaimed film. The ones that are really good are good because they're good movies. They hit all of the notes that make you love what that movie is. And then the thing that happens that I notice in the business is that they box rom coms into female comedies. So any female comedy is considered a rom com. And I don't. I disagree with that. You know, Bride wars isn't a rom com. Bride wars is a buddy comedy. That's a movie about two women best friends who are fighting over a wedding day, has nothing to do with their romances.
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Tonya Moseley
And see, I put it in the rom com category.
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Kate Hudson
That's right. And then everybody does. Fine, that's fine. But rom com has become the female comedy and I don't think it should be looked at like that. Rom coms is men and women or it's women and women if you want to make a rom com about two women or it's men and men if you want to make a rom com about two men. It's about what is love and you want it to feel light and you want it to feel sad and you want it to you want to feel all the feels, right. So the best ones are things like as Good As It Gets, Sleepless in Seattle. You look at all of the best rom coms and they're two very intensely well written male, female or female, female, male, male characters that are telling a story that we all relate to that's incredibly human. So we need to invest in those. That's what that genre is.
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Fresh Air Announcer
Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guest is Kate Hudson, Oscar nominated actress, singer and entrepreneur. We're talking about her life, her family and her most recent film song Sung Blue. We'll be right back after a break. This is FRESH air.
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Tonya Moseley
You and your mother, Goldie Han, you're known for your exceptionally close relationship, but what's it like building a career? Was there ever any tension about building a career following your mother? Like, did you ever have a moment of rebellion when you felt like maybe I want to be or do something else? Oh, as, oh, as like a young person.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, I didn't. Honestly, there was no, there was nothing else to me. I don't know. That had nothing to do with like performing. But when I say nothing else, I mean performance. So like singing, dance, song, dance, acting, like those, those three things were just like, that's what I do. Like from very early on, if someone was like, if someone was like, you'd be a very good lawyer. I'd be like in a movie.
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Tonya Moseley
You just always knew Yeah, I always knew.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. And then when you grow up in a house with parents who are not only incredible performers, but like amazing producer. My mother's an amazing producer. Trailblazing producer. My dad is one of the great process of an actor I've ever witnessed.
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Tonya Moseley
Kurt Russell.
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Kate Hudson
Kurt Russell. Yep, Kurt. Kurt Russell. Let's just call him Kurt Russell. Cause it's a fun name to say. I have a friend who only calls him Kurt Russell. It's really funny. No, I call him pa. Yeah, he's my pa. But his process and what I learned from my dad growing up, I mean, he's got an incredible process, a very caring process when it comes to storytelling. So when you grow up like that and it says something that there's only one of us who's not an actor. You know, my other two brothers are actors. They're also very much into storytelling, developing, writing, producing. Like that comes from what we were modeled as kids, which was people who really care about telling stories. So when you see that and you're like, oh, so fun. I mean, we were just kids making movies our whole life. So
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Tonya Moseley
I just wonder how it is to reflect now you're an accomplished actor and a multitude of other things. There's a generation that knows you and they don't even know your mom or your dad.
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Kate Hudson
Oh, I know.
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Tonya Moseley
And so for you to come during this, you know, with this person who is so well known as your mother, you all also look just alike. You know, you look so similar to now being at a place where we could have had this entire conversation and I never talked about your mom. You know what I mean? Like, was there ever a moment of growing where you could see a future where that would be the case? And was that ever tension for you having such well known parents and then stepping into a career like this?
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Kate Hudson
I never thought of it like that. Yeah, I think because we all love each other like we so much. It's such a strong unit. Our family's really a strong unit outside of the business. You know what I mean? Like, just as, just as like a family, it's so strong that I don't. I've never thought of it from the that that way. You know, the only thing for me that was really important was that I really wanted it on my own terms. So. And I, my son, I see my son feeling similarly right now. There's a lot of opportunities that come. I think that there is a responsibility to say opportun does come. When you grow up in Los Angeles, you got a lot of privileged kids who work in this industry who have a lot of parents with a lot of power and a lot of access. So it's like to say that there's not opportunity is to be lying. But there's something else that comes with it when you grow up in it, which is you also, as an actor, as a performer, you have to do. You have to honor the craft and be good enough to have other people actually wanna watch you. So that part requires, like, a different type of fortitude. Yeah, right. Like, it's like, going into it, it was like, okay, I just wanna do this on my own terms. I don't want. I know that when I walk in the room, everyone's gonna know, or maybe some of them, maybe they won't. I have a different last name. Thank God. I was so happy about that when I was younger to not have to walk in the room and be a Russell or a Han. It was nice to sort of not have that be something where people went, oh. So that the pressure didn't feel as intense. Right. But you know, when they do know that you have to be on your game, you know, you can't, like, walk in and not know your lines. You can't. You know, which is why I worked so disciplined in everything else that I did. Like, I just wanted to do a good job. And, you know, when you grow up with parents like that, like, there's so much modeling that they did that I take with me. Right. Like, right now, I look at this Oscar nomination and I look at my mother, and it's a. It's an absolute extension of my mother. I think people who didn't grow up with a parent in the industry still feel like these moments are extensions of their parents and the gifts that they give. But I have a mom that sees me, sees all of that differently. She knows what it is. She knows what it feels like. She knows the work that goes into it, the time away from your kids that it takes. She knows how deeply I miss my kids when I'm doing these things. She knows all of it. Right. And she knows that I know that that's she went through. So there's. There's this amazing connection that I get to have with my mom at this time. She's 80, I'm 46. Like, how lucky am I that I get to really share that experience with her in that way? I feel very, very blessed to, like, have my mom and Kurt be the
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Tonya Moseley
people that, like, really behind you and set the model for you.
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Carvana Announcer
Yeah.
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Tonya Moseley
And, yeah, Kate Hudson. It's been a pleasure to learn more about you and to have this conversation.
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Kate Hudson
Thank you. This is so nice.
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Fresh Air Announcer
Kate Hudson is nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress for her role in the film Song Sung Blue.
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Singer
Sweet Caroline, Good times never seem so good. I've been inclined to believe they never were. But now I look at the night and it don't seem so lonely.
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Kate Hudson
We fill it up with only two
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Fresh Air Announcer
Tomorrow on FRESH Air, novelist Tayari Jones on her new book Kin, a story of two motherless girls in 1950s Louisiana whose friendship becomes the most powerful bond of their lives. Jones talks about riding through illness, the loss that inspired this novel, and what it means to choose your own kin. I hope you can join us to keep up with what's on the show and get highlights of our interviews. Follow us on Instagram prfresh. Air Fresh Air's executive producer is Sam Brigger. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham, with additional engineering support from Adam Stanischewski. Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Meyers, Ann Marie Baldonado, Lauren Krenzel, Teresa Madden, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, Anna Bauman and Nico Gonzalez Whistler. Our digital media producer is Molly CV Nesper. Roberta Shorrock directs the show with Terry Gross. I'm Tonya Moseley.