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Episode: Writer Quiara Alegría Hudes On ‘White Hot’ Rage

Date: January 22, 2026
Host: Tonya Mosley
Guest: Quiara Alegría Hudes, Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright, memoirist, and now novelist

Overview

This episode features a deep, intimate conversation with playwright and novelist Quiara Alegría Hudes about her first novel, The White Hot. Host Tonya Mosley and Hudes explore the novel’s themes of rage, agency, cultural identity, motherhood (specifically, the rarely told story of the mother who leaves), and how personal and family histories shape art. Hudes also discusses her creative partnership with Lin-Manuel Miranda, her Philadelphia roots, and the ongoing evolution of her writing.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Premise of The White Hot (00:19–03:47)

• The novel is written as a letter from April Soto, a mother who leaves her 10-year-old daughter, Noelle, behind in Philadelphia.
• April—the book’s “anti-hero”—is volatile and driven by a powerful anger she names “the white hot.”
• The inciting moment: Noelle’s artwork reveals April’s supposed private escape (locking herself in the bathroom) was never a secret.
• The story explores not only abandonment but also the nuances of agency, generational trauma, and “the project of becoming ourselves.”

Challenging the Judgment of the ‘Mother Who Leaves’ (03:47–05:48)

• Hudes reflects on society’s harsh judgment of mothers who leave, contrasting it with how fathers are often excused or made legendary for similar actions.
• She questions her own participation in the narrative: “Maybe I waited too long to learn these lessons. Maybe you can learn these lessons a little bit sooner.” (03:28, Hudes)
• She also insists on recognizing April’s decade of staying, noting it is often erased when focusing on the act of departure.

Notable Quote:

“Do not absolve me. Do not forgive me. Only hear me. Consider my story... Sometimes you have to escape in order not to die. I don't think the tricky part is the escape. Abandonment is easy. Any fool can do it... No, the real challenge is noticing you are dying in the first place because it happens incrementally, year by year, and camouflages itself as life.”
– Quiara Alegría Hudes, reading from The White Hot (04:17–05:48)

Double Standards & the ‘Siddhartha’ Analogy (05:48–07:34)

• Hudes discusses the “double standard”: Men who leave on quests for self-knowledge are “on a journey,” but women, especially mothers, are seen as selfish or unnatural.
• Hudes relates April’s feelings to her own teenage reaction to Siddhartha: “Well, gee, isn't that lovely? He gets to just go, leave it all behind and find God... A lady wouldn't get to do that.” (06:25, Hudes)
• She wished her spiritually-gifted mother could have had the freedom of such a quest, but: “She had to find God while she was doing the dishes.”

Representation of Mothers Who Leave & Realism (07:34–09:30)

• Hudes comments on current pop culture’s rare attention to mothers who leave (referencing Teyana Taylor’s Golden Globe-winning role).
• She reveals her own upbringing actually included stories of women who left; these absences were often masked by other female relatives stepping in:

  “We knew so many women who had left their children. But...other women took over the labor—an auntie, an abuela, a cousin...” (08:19, Hudes)

Rage and Its Function in the Novel (09:30–11:13)

• Hudes intentionally made rage April’s driving emotion because it’s something she rarely accesses herself.
• She frames anger as culturally reserved for men, then asks: “Is there a way that anger can be productive, actually, in addition to its destructive components?” (09:36, Hudes)
• April’s rage is rooted in childhood trauma; her journey is about transforming that raw energy into something more constructive.

Philadelphia, Memory, and Community Borders (11:13–17:48)

• The conversation turns to the setting of much of Hudes’ work: Philadelphia, especially the Puerto Rican neighborhoods.
• Hudes describes the city’s palpable layers—historical, geological, and cultural. She explores the “invisible border” of neighborhoods, the vibrant cultural ecosystem amid segregation, and the complex interplay of pride and municipal neglect.

Notable Quote:

“You're walking over, 10ft below your boots, layers, centuries of Philadelphia history... and then you cross Girard Avenue... this is called el barrio. This is where the Puerto Ricans live. An invisible border. And you could feel them. It's like a little air pressure change.”
– Quiara Alegría Hudes (13:47–15:38)

Cultural Friction, Identity, and Migrant Experience (17:48–19:49)

• Hudes describes her experience of belonging to multiple, sometimes clashing identities—Puerto Rican, white, daughter of separated parents. She likens herself to a “migrant in my own life... traveling between languages.” (18:20)
• These “friction points” became the heart of her creative identity.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the judgment of leaving mothers:
  “We judge it more harshly than almost anything else... And yet, she [April] also stayed, when the father didn’t.” (02:05–02:24, Mosley/Hudes)

• On rage as agency:
  “Is there a way that anger can be productive, actually, in addition to its destructive components?” (09:36, Hudes)

• On community inherited stories:
  “Everyone has a slightly different story... It’s quite a Rashomon sort of narrative.” (11:35, Hudes)

• On growing up in segregated Philadelphia:
  “You go into North Philly, and the dancing is the best you're gonna find in Philadelphia. The music is blasted... golden age salsa. This, to me, is pinnacle music, mountaintop music.” (15:38, Hudes)

Creative Process and Collaboration

On Collaboration with Lin-Manuel Miranda (26:12–29:01)

• Their projects (In the Heights, Vivo) are driven by “playfulness” and “effervescence.”

  “You remember when you were a kid... ‘hey, you wanna come over and play?’ That’s the basic relationship we have when working.” (27:16, Hudes)

• The creative process is depicted as a “hacky sack game,” with ideas, words, and energy kept in the air between them.
• Hudes contrasts this lightness with her “dark, broody side” in solo projects like The White Hot.

Memorable Songwriting Anecdote:

• Creating the character Gabby and the song “My Own Drum” for Vivo was a back-and-forth of spontaneous ideas (28:00–29:01).
• Song excerpt featured (29:09–29:47).

Writing as an Organic, Nonlinear Process (31:12–34:20)

• Hudes notes the importance of letting projects “breathe”—creative resolutions don’t arrive on command.
• On writing challenging scenes:

  “We just suffocate it, if that was the approach... That's gonna clear our spirits... maybe there will be a solution that comes and finds us.” (32:55–34:20, Hudes)

Thematic Evolution & Responsibility

Influence of Personal and Family History (11:13–19:49, 34:25–35:23)

• Hudes draws parallels between her own first-generation college experience and that of Nina in In the Heights.
• She speaks candidly about the challenges of representing her community and the limits of her influence (notably addressing the colorism debate in the In the Heights film, 35:23–37:32):

  “Should I ever be in a similar space, I know some places to scream a little louder... I tried and at moments I failed.”

Artistry & Range: From In the Heights to The White Hot (37:32–38:55)

• Hudes frames In the Heights as a joyful celebration of community, while The White Hot is an exploration of absence, separation, and individual agency:

  “How do I honor my community in an authentic way? ...at the way other end is The White Hot…how do I leave my community, even if I love it?” (37:41, Hudes)

Notable Segments & Timestamps

• The book’s premise and literary reading: 00:19–05:48
• On Siddhartha and double standards: 05:48–07:34
• Realism of mothers who leave: 07:34–09:30
• Rage & trauma: 09:30–11:13
• Philadelphia as layered character: 11:13–17:48
• Multicultural, multilingual identity: 17:48–19:49
• Collaboration with Lin-Manuel Miranda: 26:12–29:01
• Song excerpt ("My Own Drum" from Vivo): 29:09–29:47
• On writing and letting work breathe: 31:12–34:20
• Colorism and film adaptation responsibility: 35:23–37:32
• Spectrums of artistic inquiry: 37:32–38:55

Style and Tone

The episode is thoughtful, warm, and occasionally playful, reflecting Hudes’ own blend of joy, seriousness, and candor. The conversation is marked by openness, with both host and guest willing to tackle emotionally-charged topics—motherhood, cultural divides, creative struggle, and personal history—with honesty and nuance.

Summary

The White Hot and this conversation with Quiara Alegría Hudes present a rarely-told story of female rage and maternal abandonment—set squarely within the layered realities of American, Puerto Rican, and Philadelphia life. The episode meditates on double standards, inherited stories, and the slow work of transforming rage into art. Throughout, Hudes urges authenticity, artistic risk, and compassion for those who choose differently. As in all her work, community and belonging are never simple, but always deeply felt.