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Today we're in Poland, where fatigue and fear over the war in Ukraine is shaping the forthcoming presidential election in the U.S. we hear how the state of Oregon tried and failed to decriminalize drugs. We meet the Erin Brockovich of Malaysia, who's been uncovering uncomfortable truths about the country's recycling plants. And we're on the shores of the Mekong river, where three countries meet and where China's influence is on the rise. But first, Arab leaders met for an emergency summit in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, this week to devise a plan to rebuild Gaza and to counter President Trump's controversial proposal to relocate more than 2 million Palestinian people in order to develop what he calls a Riviera of the Middle East. Egypt is playing an increasingly important role in trying to forge a new regional peace and revive the long standing aspiration for a Palestinian state. Our chief international correspondent Lise Doucet traveled to Cairo to report on this new Arab resolve to to move forward. But she found herself also being pulled back into a tumultuous history gone by.
Lise Doucet (2:33)
There's something about Cairo that pulls you back in such a wonderful way. In the storied heart of this teeming city, history lives in the crumbling mansions layered with dust, the balconies edged with ironed lace, the graceful arches, the windows screened by carved wooden latticeworks. The Mashrabiya grand homes and elegant apartment blocks of times gone by evoke stories of old families, old eras, the Cairene houses architects describe as the soul of the city. And now, in these early days of spring, when you can still feel the last bite of winter, Cairo's urban jumble is festooned with the bright lanterns of Ramadan in the Islamic holy month of fasting, canopies of shimmering tinsel crowning the streets, yet more reminders of the cherished, unchanging rituals. I hadn't been to Cairo for so many years, and delight was sparked anew to feel this city's special spirit. Memories came rushing back, and not just the history so visibly written into its architecture, but the history now hidden in memory. Most of all those heady months of 2011, when Egypt was plunged into what was known then as the Arab Spring, the unprecedented peaceful uprising which toppled a president for life, Hosni Mubarak. When I wandered down some streets, I remembered how they were thronged by young activists marching fearlessly towards riot police, brandishing batons and tear gas canisters. When I walked past the refined apartment blocks, I could still visualize the residents who stood at the gate with brooms and sticks, whatever was at hand to watch over their homes after the police just melted away. And unexpectedly, so many journalists I met on this visit shared a memory of those days gone by. Remember when we were in the crowds who massed in the epicentre of the uprising in Tahrir Square? Someone recalled our interview in 2015 with the Barrister Amal Clooney who defended press freedom when journalists from the Al Jazeera TV network were sent to prison. Someone else reminded me of the day we went to the palace to interview Egypt's president Abdel Fattah Al Sisi, who came to power via a post revolution military takeover. He's still in charge, still ruling with more power than even President Mubarak, more than any Egyptian leader of modern times. But the past is not yet past, even if it's almost never mentioned in public discourse. This week, one Egyptian MP bravely called for the release of the country's most prominent political prisoner, Allah Abdelfattah, the blogger and software developer active in the so called Arab Spring who's been languishing in prison even after he finished serving his sentence. That Tahrir Square Liberation Square, once the beating heart of Egypt's revolution, has been erased from physical space. Now it's just another busy roundabout, a destination for tourists seeking to explore a far older and more enduring history. In the imposing Egyptian Museum rising over the square housing an impressive collection of ancient artifacts, more than A decade on, many young Egyptians still remember the more recent glory, but now they worry about their future in a region broken by all too many wars and their own painful economic woes. In October 2023, Tahir's identity was suddenly and momentarily revived when thousands packed this square again, this time in protest against Israel's war on Egypt's border in Gaza. Egypt, like the rest of this region, is now living through another unprecedented moment. This week, Arab leaders gathered for an emergency summit in Cairo, not in the old crowded city I've been describing, but in New Cairo, the shiny new megacity which has risen from the desert. They met to respond to an urgent challenge to develop a plan to rebuild war ravaged Gaza once this war ends, which could push away the controversial proposal of President Trump, who speaks about Gaza in the language of a property developer. He calls it a demolition site, a ruin to rebuild into a shimmering beach run property. But more than 2 million Palestinians would have to move out. Some in Israel have called his plan visionary. But Arab leaders, indeed many in this region and far beyond, see Gaza in the history of the land of the rights of Palestinians to remain in their neighborhoods that generations of their families have called home. So many of their houses, their streets, their trees have been leveled in this war, triggered by Hamas's assault in 2023 on communities in southern Israel. But something precious survives in Gaza. Each family's personal history, a people's history, their culture and traditions, even breaking their Ramadan fast in the midst of towering mounds of rubble. This is a region where the past still lives in the present, still sticks to physical space and to people's sense of self and place.
