Stud Around and Find Out

Summary

Fudd Around And Find Out: "Stud Around and Find Out" Release Date: August 14, 2025

Host: Azzi Fudd
Guests: Courtney Williams and Natisha Heideman (The Stud Buds)
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and Unanimous Media

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Introduction

In the latest episode of Fudd Around And Find Out, Azzi Fudd welcomes listeners back with her signature enthusiasm. Expressing gratitude for the overwhelming support from the first episode, Azzi encourages fans to connect via the newly launched social media channels on Instagram and TikTok (@fudaroundpod). She introduces the special guests for the episode: Courtney Williams and Natisha Heideman, known collectively as "The Stud Buds," two standout players in the WNBA.

Personal Anecdotes

Before diving into the main discussion, Azzi shares a heartfelt story about her recent weekend at her grandparents' cabin in Minnesota. She reminisces about "Duff Fest," a cherished family tradition that brought together friends and family for memorable gatherings. This weekend was especially significant as it marked a smaller, intimate version of Duff Fest, celebrating Azzi's final free summer before entering the WNBA. Her feelings resonate deeply with Natisha, who appreciates the importance of family time amidst a busy travel schedule.

Quote:
Azzi Fudd [02:04]: "It was one of the best weekends I've had at the cabin, so it was a great way to kind of slow down my summer. I love that."

Natisha counters with her own weekend experience in New York City, where she attended the vibrant street basketball tournament, "New York vs. New York." Highlighting the competitive spirit and star-studded atmosphere, including appearances by NBA star Jalen Brunson, Natisha emphasizes the excitement of supporting her local teams like Tri-State and West 4th.

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Natisha Heideman [04:48]: "There's a bunch of neighborhoods in New York City that compete for the championship... Jalen Brunson was there and everybody went crazy."

Introducing The Stud Buds

Azzi then transitions to introduce her guests, Courtney Williams and Natisha Heideman. She sets the stage for an engaging conversation by posing an intriguing question about taking risks without fully understanding the consequences.

Quote:
Azzi Fudd [06:44]: "I want to know a time that you guys fudded around and found out. So like a moment where you took a risk without fully understanding the consequences."

Taking Risks and Embracing Change

Courtney and Natisha discuss the All-Star stream they conducted, acknowledging it as a significant risk in their careers. They candidly talk about their spontaneous decisions, such as dyeing their hair pink, which stemmed from live-stream interactions with their audience. This segment highlights the unpredictability and excitement of engaging directly with fans.

Quote:
Dani Shapiro [07:11]: "We just come up with it on chat and we just put ourselves into situations."

Team Dynamics and Mental Fortitude

The conversation shifts to the challenges of transitioning from college basketball to the professional league. Natisha shares her experiences during training camp, emphasizing the accelerated pace and heightened expectations in the WNBA compared to college.

Quote:
Natisha Heideman [29:21]: "The transition is fast. They keep on moving forward and, like, fast. So I would say that was the biggest adjustment."

Dani offers a perspective on her own journey, discussing her draft experience and the importance of staying true to her strengths as she navigates her role in the league. She underscores the significance of mental resilience and self-belief in overcoming adversity.

Quote:
Dani Shapiro [31:38]: "It's more mental. You gotta physically be in amazing shape... but you gotta just make sure you stay locked in mentally because you could potentially get hit with some adversity."

Advice for Azzi's Senior Year

Azzi seeks advice from her guests as she enters her final year at UConn. Natisha emphasizes the importance of confidence, noting how personal assurance can inspire and uplift the entire team.

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Natisha Heideman [24:00]: "Go into it having the utmost confidence when you have that confidence in yourself. It makes your team confident."

Dani echoes the sentiment, encouraging Azzi to cherish her final college year and make the most of the relationships and experiences it offers.

Quote:
Dani Shapiro [24:18]: "Go out with a bang. Cause I promise you, when they really say you don't get that time back... tee up. Enjoy it. Don't take it for granted."

Fun Segments: FUD of the Week and A-Z Game

To lighten the mood, the episode features the "FUD of the Week" segment. Natisha shares a cute moment where a baby took its first steps onto the court during a game, bringing joy and laughter to the team.

Quote:
Natisha Heideman [46:28]: "A baby on the aces like, floor took its first steps. It was like a baby race."

The hosts then engage in an entertaining A-Z game, testing how well they know each other through a series of personal questions. This playful interaction showcases their camaraderie and lighthearted side.

Quote:
Azzi Fudd [48:04]: "We're going to play A to Z with AZ and Ashanti. How well do you know each other?"

Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Azzi thanks Courtney and Natisha for their participation and the engaging conversation. She reminds listeners to rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast, encouraging them to tune in for future episodes.

Quote:
Azzi Fudd [60:31]: "Thank you so much. Welcome to the Buds... That's gonna do it for another episode of Fudd Around and Find Out."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Azzi Fudd [02:04]: "It was one of the best weekends I've had at the cabin, so it was a great way to kind of slow down my summer. I love that."

• Natisha Heideman [04:48]: "There's a bunch of neighborhoods in New York City that compete for the championship... Jalen Brunson was there and everybody went crazy."

• Azzi Fudd [06:44]: "I want to know a time that you guys fudded around and found out. So like a moment where you took a risk without fully understanding the consequences."

• Dani Shapiro [07:11]: "We just come up with it on chat and we just put ourselves into situations."

• Natisha Heideman [29:21]: "The transition is fast. They keep on moving forward and, like, fast. So I would say that was the biggest adjustment."

• Dani Shapiro [31:38]: "It's more mental. You gotta physically be in amazing shape... but you gotta just make sure you stay locked in mentally because you could potentially get hit with some adversity."

• Natisha Heideman [24:00]: "Go into it having the utmost confidence when you have that confidence in yourself. It makes your team confident."

• Dani Shapiro [24:18]: "Go out with a bang. Cause I promise you, when they really say you don't get that time back... tee up. Enjoy it. Don't take it for granted."

• Natisha Heideman [46:28]: "A baby on the aces like, floor took its first steps. It was like a baby race."

• Azzi Fudd [48:04]: "We're going to play A to Z with AZ and Ashanti. How well do you know each other?"

• Azzi Fudd [60:31]: "Thank you so much. Welcome to the Buds... That's gonna do it for another episode of Fudd Around and Find Out."

Key Takeaways

• Risk-Taking: Embracing spontaneous decisions like live-stream activities can foster deeper connections with fans and add excitement to a professional sports career.

• Team Dynamics: Transitioning from college to the WNBA requires both physical readiness and mental resilience. Staying true to one’s strengths is crucial for success in a competitive environment.

• Confidence and Leadership: Personal confidence not only enhances individual performance but also uplifts the entire team, creating a positive and winning atmosphere.

• Community and Camaraderie: Building strong relationships with teammates, such as the bond between Azzi, Courtney, and Natisha, is essential for both personal and professional growth.

• Balancing Fun and Professionalism: Incorporating fun segments like "FUD of the Week" and engaging in lighthearted games helps maintain team spirit and keeps the podcast entertaining for listeners.

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Fudd Around And Find Out continues to provide a unique glimpse into the life of a world-class athlete, balancing the pressures of professional sports with personal anecdotes and engaging conversations. Azzi Fudd’s authentic and relatable approach makes this podcast a must-listen for fans and aspiring athletes alike.

Transcript

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[Az Fudd]

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[Dani Shapiro]

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[Az Fudd]

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[Dani Shapiro]

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[Az Fudd]

Hey everyone. Welcome back to FUD around and find out. First of all, I want to say thank you to everyone that tuned into the first episode, especially those of you who stayed up till 3am to catch it when it dropped. That's absolutely insane. But seriously, thank you guys so much for all the love and support. Before we get into today's show, we've launched our socials. Make sure you're following us on Instagram and TikTok utteroundpod for DMs questions and feedback. And for today's show, we have some very special guests joining us.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, Z, before we get into our special guests. I've been hearing about your weekend at the cabin in Minnesota. Tell me everything.

[Az Fudd]

Ooh. Okay. I had the best weekend. Like you just said. I was at the cabin at my grandparents cabin in Minnesota. They used to have this big party when I was younger called Duffest. Their last name is Duffy. So they had Duff Fest, and they had all this land. They had a bunch of campers. Their friends would come, like neighbors, literally friends of friends, cousins, whoever would come. They'd have a band, and everyone would party the whole weekend. And this is like when I was probably two to, like, elementary school years. So I'd run around with all the kids. We'd have a blast. And their cabin now is smaller, their land is smaller, but it's still my favorite place in the world to go. They have a boat. You just chill, read, relax, enjoy the vibes. S' mores in the fire, hot dogs in the fire. Like, it's my favorite place. But this weekend, they had, like, a mini Duff fest for me because they knew that this would hopefully be my last free summer. So they're like, you've always wanted one. Let's do a mini one. So they hired a band to come. They invited a bunch of their friends. A bunch of my family came. Actually, a few of my best friends even came for the weekend. So it was a blast. There was music on Saturday, but we were there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, having a great time. So I. I'm, like, so happy. I'm. It was one of the best weekends I've had at the cabin, so it was a great way to kind of slow down my summer. I love that.

[Natisha Heideman]

That sounds so fun, and I love that you get to spend some time with your family, because I know with all the travel, you don't get a lot of that. So that sounds like a great experience.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah, no, definitely. Family time is my favorite, for sure. But what about you? What'd you do this weekend?

[Natisha Heideman]

I spent my weekend here at home in New York. I went to New York versus New York, which is a street basketball tournament. So there's a bunch of, you know, neighborhoods in New York City that compete for the championship. And so I got to go to the semis and the final and watch them compete. And in the end, one of my teams that I really liked won is called tri state, and that represents Harlem, and I'm from there, so that was the boys. And for the girls, West 4th one, which is, like, downtown Manhattan area. So I really enjoyed myself. A lot of the stars popped out. Jalen Brunson was there and everybody went crazy.

[Dani Shapiro]

I mean, standing on their feet, he might as well be the mayor because.

[Natisha Heideman]

That man was New York City.

[Dani Shapiro]

So, yeah, it was a lot of fun.

[Natisha Heideman]

I loved it.

[Az Fudd]

It sounds fun. Like these are the games that are outside, right?

[Dani Shapiro]

Yes, all the games.

[Natisha Heideman]

So unless it's like 100 degrees or raining, these are like outside street basketball. It's like, you know, the Mecca, New York City. It's what people look forward to. People fly in to go to these tournaments. So I was really happy to be able to.

[Az Fudd]

That sounds so fun.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, girl, it's always crazy. How would you do in street basketball outside?

[Az Fudd]

Oh, I think when I was younger, I would have done really well. I feel like as I've gotten older, like my body can't. First of all, playing outside, I don't know if my knees and my joints could take it. Second of all, I've definitely gotten a little softer when it comes to temperature. Like, I used to practice in a gym with no ac, but these days, climate control only. I don't know if I could do outdoor.

[Natisha Heideman]

Listen, you've earned it.

[Az Fudd]

Did you play outside a lot growing up?

[Natisha Heideman]

Definitely. So in New York City, tournaments that are really popular are like Uptown Challenge and West 4th. These tournaments are all outdoors and so when you're younger, you know, you're limber so you can play outdoors all day, multiple games, back to back.

[Dani Shapiro]

However, at my ripe old age, I.

[Natisha Heideman]

Enjoy climbing control as well.

[Az Fudd]

Alright, everyone, get your bust down bobs ready because joining us on the pod after the break are the Stud Buds. All right, now it's time to introduce the Stud Buds, two of the coolest, most real players in the wnba, bringing you all the unfiltered behind the scenes.

[Natisha Heideman]

These ladies don't need an introduction. We're here with Courtney Williams and Natisha Heideman.

[Dani Shapiro]

Welcome to the pod.

[Natisha Heideman]

Buds.

[Az Fudd]

In the chat.

[Dani Shapiro]

W's in the chat.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, so I have a question to start us off. I want to know a time that you guys fudded around and found out. So like a moment where you took a risk without fully understanding the consequences. And I mean, you can say whatever you want, but I feel like your stream at All Star, like that was a pretty big risk.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, yeah, that was a risk for sure.

[Dani Shapiro]

That was kind of what my thought process was like. That All Star stream definitely was a risk.

[Az Fudd]

Whose idea was that?

[Natisha Heideman]

It was mutual. Right.

[Dani Shapiro]

I feel like we really just talk out loud sometimes and then we put ourselves in things where it's kind of like we gotta stand on it. That's kind of where the pink hair came from.

[Natisha Heideman]

Cause we talked about it on the stream, and then it's like. And then people be wondering, like, is y' all doing this? And then they start talking about it. We be like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, we gotta do that. For real.

[Dani Shapiro]

We gotta do it.

[Az Fudd]

It was fun. Courtney, you picked me up at All Star. Do you remember that? And like, what's. What's your deal with picking people up?

[Dani Shapiro]

What? Stop it. I was picking people up. But I do remember picking you up for show.

[Natisha Heideman]

Why you picking people up? That's right.

[Dani Shapiro]

Well, I picked you up in a different way, Az, than I was picking the other baddies up. You feel me? It was a very respectful. Yeah, it was sisterhood the way I picked you up, twin. The reason why I picked you up was because it was like, oh, that's Az. I had already seen y' all was with my partner, so I wasn't there when you had the interaction with them. So then when I seen you at your party, I'm like, wow, we here turning a party up. This is her party. We're about to leave. Let me show the young boy some love, period. Believe it.

[Az Fudd]

I appreciate it.

[Natisha Heideman]

Now that All Star is behind us.

[Dani Shapiro]

What'S next for the stud buds?

[Natisha Heideman]

See, that's the thing we want to tell y', all, but we can't tell y' all yet because it's in motion. No, it's dropping. We can't tell y'. All.

[Dani Shapiro]

We got so much motion right now, bro, and y' all about to see it. Just.

[Natisha Heideman]

You ain't want to give us a.

[Dani Shapiro]

Little tidbit for the pod? Give us a little hint?

[Natisha Heideman]

Come on.

[Dani Shapiro]

Little, Little, Little C. You know what I'm saying? Do.

[Natisha Heideman]

Do a faisy.

[Dani Shapiro]

How about we'll say it like this? It's. It's a well known magazine. Ooh. And we're a kid. We gonna keep it. We gonna keep it like that. We gonna keep it like that. We gonna keep it like that. We gonna keep it like that. We gonna keep it like that. We'll take that. Cut it up. Need that.

[Az Fudd]

How long do we have to wait?

[Natisha Heideman]

Not too long.

[Dani Shapiro]

See, see, see, see? Look at you. Stay patient.

[Az Fudd]

Just love y'.

[Natisha Heideman]

All.

[Dani Shapiro]

It's coming, though. It's coming. It's coming. When we talked about this pod, we.

[Natisha Heideman]

Literally like, who do we want on it? The very first name was the Stub Buttons. Like, hey, we rock with y'. All. We excited for what you got going on. We want to support it. So appreciate y'.

[Dani Shapiro]

All appreciate y' all for sure.

[Az Fudd]

Speaking of your drops, though, your merch drop was Fire. The gray sweatsuit. I need to get one of those.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yes, and we got another one coming for you, too.

[Dani Shapiro]

We do. We got. Yeah, we got some pressure. Listen, I'm a medium crop top, you.

[Natisha Heideman]

Know what I'm saying?

[Dani Shapiro]

Like, little St. Buzz and pink. I. I do it.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, we got you.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah, no, the. Everyone watches the bud shirt. That was.

[Natisha Heideman]

That was hard, too.

[Dani Shapiro]

The together collab.

[Az Fudd]

I like that one.

[Dani Shapiro]

I ain't going to lie. Fire.

[Az Fudd]

Wait, how'd you guys come up with your logo? Like, the different, like, font and colors. I like that a lot.

[Dani Shapiro]

I ain't gonna lie. We just paid somebody. We just paid somebody to come up with it. You know, everybody got a lane, so we let the creators create.

[Natisha Heideman]

And then it's a rainbow.

[Dani Shapiro]

Real gay. Real gay.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, wait, so why pink hair?

[Natisha Heideman]

All right, so tell them the story. Telling the story. So this is what happened. Like, I called Courtney one day, and I, like, had, like, the little razor like, thing to my head. I was. Cut my hair off, and I did it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Tell her the truth. We had had a bad day at practice.

[Natisha Heideman]

Cheryl made me cry.

[Dani Shapiro]

Cheryl made us both cry that day, bro. It was one of them, really. Like, you. You understand? Like, it was a hard day of practice, but it was hard on purpose. Like, you know, you just need them hard days where, you know you're gonna get pushed to the point. Me and this joker was crying after practice, like, it was really one of them practices. This joker called me. She called me FaceTimed me. She's in a bathroom with the clippers and tears. She like, friend, I'm finna just cut it. I said, you know what, friend? Let that smoke go. Cut it. Just cut it. And all of a sudden it was, oh, my goodness. Let it go, friend. Let it go.

[Natisha Heideman]

Be free. So I cut it, and then I dyed it purple. And then everybody was like, oh, do pink. So I did pink. And I was kind of rocking with the pink. You know, the girlies was kind of.

[Dani Shapiro]

Rocking with the pink.

[Natisha Heideman]

So I'm like, okay, we gonna stick with the pink. And then Cora was like, one day, she said on stream, when we get to, like, a thousand subscribers, she gonna dye her hair. Whatever color mine is.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yep.

[Natisha Heideman]

And that happened so fast, she had to dye her hair, her hair in, like, a week. Not even no cap.

[Dani Shapiro]

And you got to think about it when I said that once again, just talking out loud, not even thinking. You know what I'm saying? Now you got to stand on it. We had like two. We probably maybe had like 250 subscribers. So I'm like, yeah, when we get to a thousand, whatever T, hell, the color is that what I'll do, bro. A week ain't even go by, bro. We literally, when we hit 1K subscribers, we was on the road, we was in Seattle. We had to order the stuff off of doordash and. And literally she dyed my hair in the hotel room.

[Natisha Heideman]

On stream.

[Dani Shapiro]

On stream.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, I did it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

Multi talented. Okay.

[Dani Shapiro]

Hoopa hairstylist. Thanks.

[Az Fudd]

So are you gonna keep the pink or do other colors?

[Natisha Heideman]

Good question. See, that's a thing.

[Dani Shapiro]

Like, it's like everybody like that made it our brand alone.

[Natisha Heideman]

Look at y'. All.

[Dani Shapiro]

Right. I know you see it.

[Natisha Heideman]

Listen, so you all can stick with it.

[Az Fudd]

It's also my favorite, so I love it.

[Natisha Heideman]

Thanks. Quite a few people gonna make us.

[Dani Shapiro]

Y' all gonna make us keep this.

[Natisha Heideman]

Quite a few people have been dyeing their hair pink. Like you have some teammates, some new teammates whose hair is pink.

[Dani Shapiro]

Now.

[Natisha Heideman]

I saw at the game last night, Natalie White, who's also a good friend of mine, Moolah kicks, pink wigs.

[Dani Shapiro]

Everybody supporting y'.

[Natisha Heideman]

All.

[Dani Shapiro]

So, I mean, we're going crazy.

[Natisha Heideman]

I love it for sure.

[Az Fudd]

Are you gonna get the whole team to dye their hair pink?

[Dani Shapiro]

That would be a playoffs. We need to have. We need to go into playoffs where everybody wish on pink.

[Natisha Heideman]

We got four. Four right now.

[Dani Shapiro]

We gotta have everybody on the pink train by the time we hit the playoffs. I love it. So they've been recently tapped in.

[Natisha Heideman]

You mentioned, you know, the girlies love the pink. You guys been streaming some of these live dates? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dani Shapiro]

Just one. One little double date. One little double date. One little double date. Okay. How did that come about? Chatting.

[Natisha Heideman]

Chatting again?

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah, we. We literally don't come up with none of this stuff. We literally just come up with it on chat and we just put ourselves into situations.

[Natisha Heideman]

So will we see more of these double dates on the stream?

[Dani Shapiro]

I personally truly enjoyed myself and had a ball, but my counterpart over here had the opposite experience from me listeners.

[Natisha Heideman]

If you don't know. I just think I need to get to know people, you know? She is making a stone cold face over here. Shades on. It's giving. It might be just a single date. I'll be there to support. I'll be there to support my friend.

[Dani Shapiro]

It's not for everybody. Everybody. It's not for everybody.

[Natisha Heideman]

For sure.

[Az Fudd]

Sounds like a nightmare.

[Natisha Heideman]

A nightmare on Elm Street. I would like you on Elm Street.

[Dani Shapiro]

Freddy Kugo. You heard I had a ball. And we went and played topgolf and asked T who won me. Dude, we being honest.

[Natisha Heideman]

We being honest. No, it was live. It was live. She beat me. She beat me.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Natisha Heideman]

She beat me. I ain't gonna lie. She beat me. Good job, Frank. You did your big one. Okay, so you guys are in New York. You guys were in indie for all star.

[Dani Shapiro]

What's next?

[Natisha Heideman]

Like, as far as location? You guys are on a world tour right now. So where are the stuff buzz going next? The world tour hasn't started yet.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, excuse me.

[Natisha Heideman]

Clock it.

[Dani Shapiro]

We in season right now.

[Natisha Heideman]

We in season right now. The world tour is. So it's after season. We have something to look forward to.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

Az put it on the calendar.

[Dani Shapiro]

World.

[Natisha Heideman]

Put it on the calendar.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm excited. Bring your best baddies out the Starbucks beater.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, so is there one place you're most excited to visit?

[Dani Shapiro]

Houston. They said you don't think I know you're on a Sunday, twin. Yeah, they keep telling me those brunches don't leave Houston on a Sunday.

[Natisha Heideman]

So we going Friday to Monday.

[Dani Shapiro]

The brunches. And they say the baddies love the brunch. Okay. See what I'm saying? So I got to be where they at.

[Az Fudd]

I can't wait for this. I can't wait for this.

[Dani Shapiro]

I mean, they're going to need a show.

[Natisha Heideman]

Like straight up Netflix.

[Az Fudd]

That's what I'm saying. Like livestream. We need a real TV show.

[Natisha Heideman]

We love live streams. Netflix.

[Dani Shapiro]

We gonna up it. Yeah, man. Bring the baddies out. Like the. The upscale baddies, Twin. Okay, we want the upscale baddies.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay. To be clear.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you. Upscale, good looking gets money.

[Natisha Heideman]

Match the vibe. Baddies.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Natisha Heideman]

Got you. So speaking of baddies, listen, y' all.

[Dani Shapiro]

Good looking, y' all get to the money.

[Natisha Heideman]

Y' all Hoopers tell me. I know the baddies are in your DMs. What is the boldest or craziest DM you've ever received? I just got one. I just told you, though, what was it?

[Dani Shapiro]

And I don't know if y' all want me to show y'. All.

[Natisha Heideman]

Hold on now.

[Dani Shapiro]

Hold on. We gotta.

[Natisha Heideman]

And then keep. I'll translate it for the kids.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, you wanna see? Oh, I'll show. I'll show the room. I'm gonna show the room how crazy he disappear. I'm gonna show you how crazy these DMs get, twin. I mean, she. She not letting it die. And when I say she in my Request like I ain't even opened it and she just keep sending them. Okay.

[Natisha Heideman]

You consistent, persistent. We don't. You don't like those traits in women.

[Dani Shapiro]

This just hang on.

[Az Fudd]

You have to respect her.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay? Nah, nah, y' all gonna get what you want.

[Natisha Heideman]

No, it's just like the DMs is just. It's just too many. Like, it's just.

[Az Fudd]

So what do they need to say to get you to respond?

[Natisha Heideman]

First of all, first of all, your page can't be private.

[Dani Shapiro]

Cause page cannot be private.

[Natisha Heideman]

When I clicked in private, it's like. It don't matter though. Just.

[Dani Shapiro]

That's the lamest thing ever.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay. To see a private, I'm gonna write it down for the listeners who's trying to private page. I got no good one.

[Dani Shapiro]

No private.

[Natisha Heideman]

And then it's like, you can't come like too strong. You gotta be a little cutesy with it. Like if you're not cutesy, too cutesy. Like demure. Yeah, we want cutesy, very cutesy and very demure. That's exactly what we want. Anything else, it's usually a 3 3rd. No private QC Demuro. For me, the third would be. I don't know, if you like have a dog, I want to see you post it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, dog mom.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, I like dog moms. Single dog moms.

[Dani Shapiro]

Single dog moms. Thank you. Don't be sharing no dog with your ex. Do not share no dog with your a baby. Because it ain't nothing here for you.

[Natisha Heideman]

I need your three. We already got Natisha's. No private QC demure.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, what you need? Hold on real quick. Let me start searching.

[Natisha Heideman]

No, no, you're good. You're top three. So the three things that they need if they're going to slide in your AM I DMs.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, out the gate, you gotta look good. Your profile pictures gotta grab my attention. So if your profile picture ain't like a pressure pack, then I'm probably not even gonna click on the message. You feel me? I got you pressure pack. Only thing that make me click on that message is that profile gotta look like a baddie. So that one pressure pack two on a profile picture or I'm not even gonna click on your page for clarity on the profile picture. Pressure pack on profile number two. I got em. You cannot be super duper aggressive. But nine times out of 10, most of the baddies don't even be aggressive. They wanna be so cute and simple in the DMs. Soft. Yeah, it don't even be soft. It just Be like lame, like hey or like cutie or like emojis. Like baddies don't send much because they know they bad. You feel me?

[Natisha Heideman]

Not too much.

[Dani Shapiro]

They don't. I'm telling you what they do. They don't.

[Natisha Heideman]

They got a plan, bro. They be having master plans.

[Dani Shapiro]

They know what they do and say. Cause they know they don't gotta do or say too much, period. You feel me? That too.

[Natisha Heideman]

Just bump into you.

[Dani Shapiro]

And number three, I would say in my DMs. You want me to tell the truth?

[Az Fudd]

Duh, yes.

[Dani Shapiro]

You gotta be gay. I don't play them by games. Now if you play the by games, that's your business. But for me personally, I need you to be gay, period. And they're my three.

[Natisha Heideman]

The G& LGBTQ.

[Dani Shapiro]

You gotta be gay.

[Natisha Heideman]

The G&LG.

[Dani Shapiro]

The G, period. Plus.

[Natisha Heideman]

All right, y' all got that one pressure pack on the profile. Two soft baddies don't do too much. Three gay.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you. And drop the mic, period.

[Natisha Heideman]

No questions.

[Dani Shapiro]

And you'll have a chance with me and you'll have a chance to go.

[Natisha Heideman]

On to the next show.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you. By the step buds send DMs.

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[Dani Shapiro]

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[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

American history is full of wise people.

[Dani Shapiro]

Walt Whitman said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory. Those founding fathers were gossipy AF and they love to cut each other down.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

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[Dani Shapiro]

Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption. My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake it than to do it.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

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[Az Fudd]

Okay, I have some college and basketball questions for you guys. So I'm curious to know what were your college experiences like and more specifically, what were your senior years like? Like I'm going into my last year at UConn. Do you have any advice for me? Going into it?

[Natisha Heideman]

Man, I would say my senior year changed everything for me. So just go out there and kill. You already know what to do. You be hooping. I would just say go into it having the utmost confidence when you have that confidence in yourself. I feel like it really shows. And that carries. You feel me? And it's gonna make your team confident. When you confident, everybody around you gonna be confident.

[Dani Shapiro]

This your last one. When I tell you I look back at college and I be like, bro, I had the most fun I ever had in college, bro. So, like, this your last year, bro. Go out with a bang. Cause I promise you, when they really say you don't get that time back and you about to be a real deal adult twin, like, the relationships is just different. Like, and not saying, like. I mean, I'm lucky enough to have found me a best friend as an adult, but it's like, them relationships that you build in college, bro, like, I ain't gonna say they ain't gonna last. But as you get grown, like, I damn near don't talk to none of my team for real that I went to college with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have a couple people I might speak to here and there. But that bond that you have when you just there with them, it just get different when you get grown, because everybody gotta go on their own separate path. So I would just say, man, tee up. Enjoy it. Don't take it for granted. And like T said, man, go out there and kill.

[Az Fudd]

Wait. Going back on that confidence, when you guys were talking about your practice, that was this year, right? You were talking about practice. But when you guys cried after. So when you have a practice like that, like, how do you then bounce back and dye your hair pink and become the stud buds?

[Natisha Heideman]

I cut all my hair off.

[Dani Shapiro]

Hold on.

[Natisha Heideman]

I took all the energy and I dropped it. I said, all right, new day. And then I felt like Eminem and I was out here flying. That's it. I don't know.

[Dani Shapiro]

On me. Well, for me, I ain't cut my hair was. I ain't had no hair, but I couldn't cut it. But for me, it was just. I really just called my dog, like, after game. I mean, after practices, even games, too. Like, when you have, like, a rough one, I feel like you gotta call the people that can really relate to you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, we both point guards, we both got cussed out all practice. So it's like, bro, like, man, they were tripping on us today. You know what I'm saying? Like, we gotta just talk to each other to just be like, all right, bro. Like, so, like, maybe we was tripping out sometimes, but they gave us too much. I feel like Just leaning on. You know what I'm saying? Leaning on your people.

[Natisha Heideman]

Our whole call log is mine is Corny Williams. Corny.

[Dani Shapiro]

All day, all day, all day.

[Natisha Heideman]

We see each other all day and all day.

[Dani Shapiro]

Carlog. I said, this might as well be my girlfriend. I taught that girl all day. All right. Just. Yeah, we not stuff for stud though. But. Cause no. Could they be playing with us like that though? They do. So I don't be very clear because.

[Az Fudd]

If I don't, you've never thought about it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Your secret. Never in life.

[Az Fudd]

Just like. Ls in the chat.

[Natisha Heideman]

Ls in the chat.

[Dani Shapiro]

But we got it. Be clear, bro, cuz they'll be like. They try to play with us. They're secretly in love. No, we're not.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, I got a new list.

[Dani Shapiro]

Never.

[Natisha Heideman]

Number four for both of them. Feminine presenting women.

[Dani Shapiro]

No.

[Natisha Heideman]

Studs.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

Is that the criteria? Yes.

[Az Fudd]

Exclamation point.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you. Exclamation point. A couple of them.

[Natisha Heideman]

But you can be like a little tumbly, like, but girly. You get what I'm saying? Like if you want to put like on a cut out, like a.

[Dani Shapiro]

You know what I'm saying? I don't even really care for that. I need you bad. Nah, I don't even want you. I don't even want you right there. I need you all the way on the other side. I don't that t preference though.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, So I need a bro.

[Dani Shapiro]

You can be a baddie. You gotta be my bro too.

[Natisha Heideman]

You gotta be a baddie, but you gotta be my bro. Like, he come hang with me in a game. Baddie bro.

[Dani Shapiro]

A baddie bro.

[Natisha Heideman]

A baddie bro.

[Dani Shapiro]

A baddie baddy bro.

[Natisha Heideman]

Someone who could get rebounds but still.

[Dani Shapiro]

Kill the red carpet.

[Natisha Heideman]

Exactly. Like when you come, they like, who is that? Okay, like if I tell you to the gym or. Or I gotta be able to bring you around the boys.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, that ain't my cup of tea, twin.

[Natisha Heideman]

See, she went all the way batty.

[Dani Shapiro]

I want you in some heels, baby. I don't even want you knowing about basketball. I don't even want you to know about the sport.

[Natisha Heideman]

What is a rebound? Oh, my goodness.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'll let you know. I'll explain basketball to you, boo. I don't want you to know no players. I. Yeah, okay. I like mine fresh. Fresh. I don't want you to know nothing about the sport.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay?

[Dani Shapiro]

Am I lying?

[Natisha Heideman]

She is not lying.

[Dani Shapiro]

All my exes, have they known anything about basketball? Nothing. Nothing. All my exes, they have known nothing about basketball. I Don't even play. I don't even, you know, play.

[Natisha Heideman]

She don't even dabble. I hear what you saying.

[Dani Shapiro]

I hear what you saying outside the pool. I want my girl introduced for the first time when she walk in here. We never met her before.

[Natisha Heideman]

Nobody knows her.

[Dani Shapiro]

No, yo, that part.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay.

[Dani Shapiro]

Straight up, though.

[Natisha Heideman]

Hold on.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yo, add that to the list.

[Natisha Heideman]

All right, Fresh meat.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Az Fudd]

Fresh meat.

[Dani Shapiro]

Send them to me. Brand new.

[Natisha Heideman]

What's a basketball question mark? Rebounds. Rebounds. You're a point. What about a point? What? You get points.

[Dani Shapiro]

What's that?

[Az Fudd]

Okay, what was your transition like to the league? So I feel like college to the W is so different. You kind of already touched on that. Like just a relationship piece. But what was that transition like?

[Dani Shapiro]

Go ahead, Twin.

[Natisha Heideman]

I mean, I feel like the transition is fast. Like, I don't even. I didn't even finish school yet, and then I had to go to training camp. So for me, I feel like in the W compared to colleges, Colleges, like, they gonna slow down for you. Make sure you learn everything. Like, you know, have everything understood. Like, when you get to the W in, like, training camp, they not slowing down for you. Days on an agenda, a schedule, a day. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like when you just don't start understanding things. I hate to say it like this. That's when you get cut. Like, if you left behind, you gonna get cut. They just keep on moving forward and, like, fast. So I would say that was the biggest adjustment. Just having to, like, grasp everything really fast. Like, watch more film and, like, really, like, talk to my coaches and teammates and all that. I had this one, though, so she taught me everything I know. Ten years. Everything. Yes.

[Dani Shapiro]

See what I'm saying? See what I'm.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah.

[Dani Shapiro]

I ain't gonna lie. For me, it was, like, really starting over again. Because, like, you know, you the man in college, right? Like, so unless you. Unless you come into, like, Breanna Stewart, A.J. wilson, Paige, like, right, like, because that mean the team gotta adjust to you. You number one draft pick. But if you kind of fall into, like, everybody else, it's kind of like, I ain't gonna say you in jeopardy, but you gotta hope that you in the best situation possible. So for me, I got drafted. First round, eighth pick. I went to a team where they had just got DT back. They got the whole starting five back that won them a championship. So the team I went to wasn't really worried about their rookies. They weren't really worried about, like, okay, we want Our rookies, they was like, nah, we got our core group and we trying to win again this year, right? So I was on that bench, see what I'm saying? And mind you, like, I'm killing in practice, but that don't matter because sometimes when it comes to that league, it's like, it's really. You gotta wait your time. You know what I'm saying? So for me, like, I'm getting in the game, like, 30 seconds left, like a minute left. Like, I ain't play when I was in Phoenix, straight up, like, I did not get no tick. Thank God another team saw value in me, so they traded me to Connecticut. And then that's when I actually got an opportunity. And even in my opportunity, like, I'm a score. You feel me? When I got my opportunity there, I was like, man, let me just go get these folks a rebound. Let me just. You know what I'm saying? Like, let me just build some type of trust. So, like, I didn't get in the game there and was like, oh, let me start shooting this thing I got in the game. I was like, all right, I'm gonna go try and get us an extra possession. I'm gonna go try and get us an extra rebound. I'm gonna play hard as hell on defense, right? Like, I'm trying to do the things that I'm like, all right, somebody gonna want me on this flow if I'm doing these things. And then, you know, you get a wide open shot, boom, you gotta knock that down, layup, you got. You know what I'm saying? So I would just say that transition, like, really is more mental than anything, you know what I'm saying? Because physically, you gonna be in the best shape of your life. Because coming straight outta college, I promise you, when I got a training camp, I'm like, wow, this is easy. This is it. Like, practice over. Like, them running 16s, 22s. Like, you don't do none of that in the pros, bro. Like, it ain't even really.

[Az Fudd]

Thank goodness.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah, them over, no job, though. It's over. Like, all that conditioning, like, we pros now, so it's like you your own disciplinarian, you know what I'm saying? Like, you the person that got to hold yourself accountable. Like, if you want to stay in shape and you feel like you ain't get enough run in practice, you gotta go get that work, you know what I'm saying? So I would just say, like I said, it's just more mental. You gonna physically be in amazing Shape, Damn. They're probably in better shape than most of the league, you know what I'm saying? Just being a buck. But you gotta just make sure you stay locked in mentally because you could potentially, you know what I'm saying, get hit with some adversity, but you cold, you'll get through it.

[Az Fudd]

But how'd you stay locked in mentally? You guys didn't have each other right away. So, like, who did you talk to?

[Natisha Heideman]

I had her right away.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah, she did have you. Oh, no. Well, for me, it was like, I don't know, Twin. I just believe in myself, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wish I could tell you any other way, because I ain't had nobody coaching me up. I ain't had nobody being like, oh, you gonna be all right. Like, it was just me. Like, man, I know these folks ain't better than me. Like, I'm watching these games. I know what I could do. I know if they put me out there, I know I'm a cook they ass. But when I finally got out there, I told you what I did. I was like, all right, I know what I got to do. I got to do something different that they not doing that's going to keep me on the flow. So like I said, all of this is really just mental. Like, if you tell yourself, oh, I ain't good enough, then you ain't going to be good enough. You might mess around and get cut. But if you keep telling yourself, like many girls, I'm. I'm here for a reason. These girls ain't messing with me. And this is another thing, the biggest thing. Do what got you drafted. No, I'm serious. Somebody told me this, and it's a big thing. Don't get into the league trying to do things that didn't get you drafted. If you a shooter and you got drafted for shooting, then shoot, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't get to the league, and now you want to start driving and passing and, like, if you got drafted to shoot the three ball, then shoot the three ball, you know what I'm saying? Don't turn down threes because that's what got you drafted. You feel what I'm saying? Right, Twin?

[Natisha Heideman]

Yup.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Az Fudd]

No, that's a good one. Coach says that too, actually. Like, what do we recruit you here for? That's a good one.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm telling you. That's a real thing.

[Natisha Heideman]

I mean, that UConn to the league pipeline is heavy, so he knows a little something.

[Dani Shapiro]

Something that what Got me dressed.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay.

[Dani Shapiro]

I ain't even played for him. I said play it against him for real.

[Natisha Heideman]

All eyes on you. You cook against UConn. Hello.

[Dani Shapiro]

What? They said she gotta be a pro. I'm sure that's the only thing that got me drafted. Thank you.

[Az Fudd]

Shout out, Coach.

[Dani Shapiro]

Shout out. Geno, bro. Thank you, Geno. I love you, boy.

[Az Fudd]

What's the best arena to play in? Who's the. Obviously, besides Lynx fans, who has the best fans?

[Natisha Heideman]

I like Phoenix. Got some good fans.

[Dani Shapiro]

I do. I ain't gonna lie. You know who was busting this year? The Valkyries.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, Valkyries for show. Valkyries, bro.

[Dani Shapiro]

We was beating them by, like, 10, 15 one time. They scored one bucket. It felt like the arena was corrupted. Rumbling, man, they.

[Natisha Heideman]

They.

[Dani Shapiro]

They gotta jump in. No, I ain't gonna lie.

[Az Fudd]

I want to go there. It looks fun. Have fans ever said crazy stuff to you guys, like, during games?

[Natisha Heideman]

Like, how crazy? Like, super crazy or just, like, talking trash?

[Az Fudd]

Either.

[Natisha Heideman]

What have you heard?

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't even think. What have you heard? Cause I be talking.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah.

[Dani Shapiro]

I was just telling the New Yorkers last night, they quiet in here right now. Oh, my goodness. Y' all was mad quiet last night.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, my God.

[Dani Shapiro]

I told all the fans as the clock was. What? I said, twin.

[Natisha Heideman]

As the clock was winding down.

[Dani Shapiro]

What did I say?

[Natisha Heideman]

We won.

[Dani Shapiro]

What did I say?

[Natisha Heideman]

I said, it's real quiet in here right now.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't hear nothing.

[Natisha Heideman]

I don't hear nothing.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't hear a word.

[Natisha Heideman]

A peep, a mouse, a rat.

[Dani Shapiro]

Not too much on us.

[Natisha Heideman]

Not too much on us. Okay, you definitely heard a rat. Not too much. I did, because there's more of them than.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay.

[Natisha Heideman]

I think one ran on them.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, okay, hold on.

[Az Fudd]

Cut.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, cry.

[Az Fudd]

You guys talk trash during games.

[Dani Shapiro]

What? We do, of course.

[Az Fudd]

But just, like, no one says anything to you. You just start it. Nothing. You just start talking.

[Dani Shapiro]

You have to say nothing to me to get me going. You can literally say nothing to me to get me going.

[Natisha Heideman]

Just look at you.

[Dani Shapiro]

You don't even gotta look at me, twin.

[Natisha Heideman]

The ball goes up her mouth, start running.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah. I goes, yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

I feel like I don't talk till I get talked to, but it's like, I already got them in my back pocket. Ready? So it's like, ooh, you don't even want to do that. It's the quiet ones. You don't even want to do that. It's the quiet ones.

[Dani Shapiro]

Like, I score on somebody, it'd be like on some Real Deal, and they Defense could be good. And if I score, I'd be like, you can't guard me. Y' all need to sub them. Switch out, switch them out. Cause she can't guard me. I be saying that at practice too. I practice with them. Don't I be doing that all that practice?

[Natisha Heideman]

Not. No.

[Dani Shapiro]

Well, we barely practice against. She said not me trying to do it. She took it that way. I'm saying like I, I like I practice at practice.

[Natisha Heideman]

She practiced how she play? She talk how any every day, every show.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't say this for the first time in games. I already done tried these on people.

[Natisha Heideman]

Right? She tried this trash talk already. She gonna bring it back for the game and see how it works.

[Dani Shapiro]

Exactly.

[Az Fudd]

Wait, so is it just you can't guard me or like do you get personal?

[Natisha Heideman]

Uh, oh, that's a good question.

[Dani Shapiro]

Actually, I don't never get personal. Cause I don't really know too much about these folk. But like, okay, for example, like with you and Paige, I would definitely talk some trash. Like you need to get your girlfriend. Cause you can't guard me. Like I say something like that, that'd make me laugh. But that wasn't my trash talk. Don't be on some like, ah, let's fight my trash talk always be on something like step your game up. Nah, not even that. It's just like, it's comical. Oh, like folks know my body. Folks know my body for real. So like my trash talk don't even be on. No, like, ah, like, like at trash talk. At trash talk. Give like you gonna make me really like, you know what I'm saying? My trash talk be on more of like court. Shut up. Get out of my face. You know what I'm saying? Like that light hearted, but she mean it. Yeah, yeah, you hit it right on the head. That's exactly what it is.

[Az Fudd]

All right, so you guys are 15 and one at home this season. What makes it so hard for other teams to play you guys at home? I mean, you guys are a great team no matter where you play.

[Natisha Heideman]

But I don't know, I feel like Cheryl emphasizes that like big, like we're at home. Like we cannot play around at home like this. These are the games that we need to be winning. This is what's gonna, you know what I'm saying? Set us up for everything that we got going on. It's like she really be taking pride in it. It's like when Cheryl do her speeches. Like me and Courtney had talked about it. By the time you about to go play A game like, you ready to run through a wall for her.

[Dani Shapiro]

No, for real, a wall.

[Natisha Heideman]

A brick wall. Like, she is. So, like, she just get you going.

[Az Fudd]

I ain't going.

[Dani Shapiro]

She need to be a motivational speaker when she done coaching.

[Natisha Heideman]

Exactly.

[Dani Shapiro]

She be going crazy. For real.

[Natisha Heideman]

So I feel like that's just a big emphasis for her. And she the head honcho and that just trickles down on us. You feel me?

[Dani Shapiro]

And I also feel like, you know, you could just stay on your same routine. Like when you at home, like, when you traveling. Things are different when you at home. It's like, I can sleep in my own bed. I can eat the food that I usually eat. You know what I'm saying? And then, like, in front of your home court, so, like, you know, you got the momentum of the fans. So, like, you never really feel like. I feel like when you playing at home, you never really feel like you out of it. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like our teams take so much pride, like she said, really, anywhere we at, but really at home, we just take too much pride in, like, getting did in. In front of our fans.

[Az Fudd]

The Minnesota games are fun.

[Dani Shapiro]

Hell yeah. We be turned. Yeah.

[Az Fudd]

And Kourt's dad at the games, he's lit as always.

[Dani Shapiro]

What? They got that man starting the waves now, bro. I told him he gotta chill out a little bit, but he said they be asking him to do it now, bro. He the one.

[Az Fudd]

I believe. I'd ask him.

[Natisha Heideman]

He wanted the ones.

[Dani Shapiro]

He wanted the ones. Girl.

[Natisha Heideman]

Your dad gonna be there?

[Dani Shapiro]

Don't worry, Tim. Absolutely.

[Natisha Heideman]

Life of the party.

[Az Fudd]

I need our dads to meet.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, yeah, that'll be turn. My dad love that. He already done say, I want to meet all the dad dad club. He's dead serious. I want to meet all the dads in a W, man. Cause, like, we gotta build something, man.

[Natisha Heideman]

Now my dad got a shirt talking about. What's it say? I think it says Natisha's daddy or something.

[Dani Shapiro]

Where'd you get this?

[Natisha Heideman]

What is that?

[Dani Shapiro]

He says, and then they said.

[Natisha Heideman]

They said they get a fees there. They said. Oh, man, I love it.

[Dani Shapiro]

I love it.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, it's my last basketball question, I think, but what are your guys thoughts on the Dijonay trade and all the trades that have been happening recently?

[Natisha Heideman]

We love it.

[Dani Shapiro]

What? Come on now. Deej is huge, bro. Let me just say this. I don't even know what Dallas was thinking giving Deej up like that because she done made us, like. All right, you do the math. What's two plus two four. Thank you.

[Natisha Heideman]

Straight up.

[Dani Shapiro]

DJNA just done made us a different animal because now we could take Mack off of guarding the best players. Now when it's like, all right, Mac can start there but by the time you put Dijonay in the game, now she can guard the Sabrinas, now she can guard the Kelsey Plums and you putting sides on them as well.

[Natisha Heideman]

Exactly.

[Dani Shapiro]

Dj no pushover. So Matt what?

[Natisha Heideman]

And her energy. Her energy.

[Dani Shapiro]

She just played so hard. Like she just fit in with all of us. Cause man, we all play hard and we take pride in rd. Like we the number one defensive team in the league for a reason. Cause we take pride in it. So you bring on somebody who's first team, all defense.

[Natisha Heideman]

Now we just got better man.

[Dani Shapiro]

Dallas crazy man. You do the math. What's two plus two four? But leaf it. Thank you. Y' all ate that. Y' all ate that.

[Natisha Heideman]

We ain't never practiced that before. Exclusive.

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[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

American history is full of wise people.

[Dani Shapiro]

Walt Whitman said something like 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory. Those founding fathers were gossipy AF, and they love to cut each other down.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history, and I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer.

[Dani Shapiro]

Hamilton pauses, and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption. My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake it than to do it.

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dani Shapiro]

Get fired up, y'.

[Az Fudd]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, Sue, Bird watching former teammates retire, and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete?

[Dani Shapiro]

The final.

[Sarah Spain]

The final. And the locker room. I really, really like you. Just, you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar Az Foot. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dani Shapiro]

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. What the FUD of the Week? So what the FUD of the Week.

[Natisha Heideman]

Is something that happened this week that might be super crazy or interesting. And each week we highlight that. So for me, my what the fud of the week is? A little baby on the aces, like, floor took its first steps. It was like a baby race. And, you know, the parents are set up on each side of the court. And the baby literally stood up and.

[Dani Shapiro]

Started walking over to its mom.

[Natisha Heideman]

We was there.

[Dani Shapiro]

That was our game.

[Natisha Heideman]

That was our game.

[Dani Shapiro]

Come on, twin. That was our game. Come on, twin. That was our game, twin. We saw it in the locker room.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, y' all supposed to be locked in.

[Dani Shapiro]

TV came in yet so they had the TV up there. Okay.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay. Was definitely my what?

[Dani Shapiro]

The FUD of the week.

[Natisha Heideman]

What about you guys?

[Az Fudd]

My what? The FUD is mean Green. Definitely.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

[Dani Shapiro]

That was ins.

[Az Fudd]

Too many of them.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

That was insane. One was too many, two was outrageous.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

Egregious.

[Dani Shapiro]

And I'm like, okay, I'm not even gonna lie. The first one was funny. But then after that it just done got lame. Cuz it's like, all right, bro. The first one was funny because that was just random as hell. And it was just like, wow, why? That's what we doing. But then after more people started doing it, it's like, all right, bro, you're a copycatter. You're lame now. Like that's lame now. You feel me? Like, if you wasn't the first to do it, don't be the second or third twin.

[Natisha Heideman]

That's just lame and it's gross.

[Dani Shapiro]

Like, I mean, I'm sure it's new. I'm serious. Probably new twin. I hope so. I hope so, you know.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, next game we're going to play A to Z with AZ and Ashanti. We're going to go, how well do you know each other? We're going to ask questions about yourselves. You're going to write down the answer and then you have to say what you think the other person wrote down. Okay?

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay.

[Natisha Heideman]

Uh huh.

[Az Fudd]

All right, first question. If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?

[Dani Shapiro]

See, I can see your board and I'm trying to.

[Natisha Heideman]

Honestly, I'm writing down mine. Right.

[Dani Shapiro]

Wait, so I'm writing down where I want to be, what I think she want to be.

[Natisha Heideman]

Go ahead.

[Az Fudd]

You. You write down what you what your answer is and then you're gonna guess the other person. So you can't cheat anywhere in the world. Yeah, I like that.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, let me say it again. I need to write down where I want to live. If I could live anywhere in the world.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yes, anywhere. Like, or in the U.S. like, are we being crazy here or we just being. Being simple.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm being simple.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay. All right. Is your answer Florida?

[Dani Shapiro]

That's why. That's my best friend. She know what type of going on.

[Natisha Heideman]

Courtney wrote down Florida.

[Dani Shapiro]

All right, all right. And then I'mma go Green Bay.

[Natisha Heideman]

Hey, wait, I'm actually shook.

[Dani Shapiro]

Bing, bing. One point.

[Az Fudd]

I'm impressed.

[Natisha Heideman]

Not yet. Definitely impressed.

[Az Fudd]

All right, next. What's your most used catchphrase?

[Natisha Heideman]

I don't even know my own catchphrase. Hold on.

[Dani Shapiro]

Just write down what you was gonna Put down. Kyrie. Know what you put down?

[Natisha Heideman]

You barely.

[Dani Shapiro]

You don't got no catchphrase like that.

[Natisha Heideman]

I'm gonna just do this one now. They really sisters?

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah. You don't got no catchphrases. I don't, but I'm just go with my ugly sisters.

[Natisha Heideman]

No, I didn't go with your main one or with the other one. The second one.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, well, you want.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yours is. Yours is. Believe it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Believe it.

[Natisha Heideman]

What's your second catchphrase that I use?

[Dani Shapiro]

Straight up. Hey, two points.

[Natisha Heideman]

Two points.

[Dani Shapiro]

Come on now.

[Natisha Heideman]

Two points.

[Dani Shapiro]

Straight with a K. We need, like.

[Natisha Heideman]

A hard one or something.

[Az Fudd]

All right, what's your go to pizza topping?

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, hers is pepperoni.

[Dani Shapiro]

Correct. Okay.

[Natisha Heideman]

She got that, right? She said pepperoni.

[Dani Shapiro]

I mean, what's yours? We ate. We both ate pepperoni. Okay.

[Az Fudd]

Oh, my goodness.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah, that was easy.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, next question. What is your biggest pet peeve?

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, what's crazy?

[Dani Shapiro]

I know your pet peeve.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't even know my own damn thing.

[Natisha Heideman]

That's what I'm saying. You don't have one?

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't really got one.

[Natisha Heideman]

Like, that's what I'm saying. I can't think. Nothing really bothers you. Not that. Not to a point where it's like.

[Dani Shapiro]

Not to the point where it's a pet peeve.

[Natisha Heideman]

She always needs a toothpick or a floss stick.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'mma just name hers because I know her pet peeve.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay, just write down, write down, write down. You want me to write mine down?

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm going to write yours down, too. What is her.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, my goodness. Wait, wait, wait. For the listeners. For the listeners.

[Dani Shapiro]

Let me read it for you.

[Natisha Heideman]

Rehearse when people get in the elevator.

[Dani Shapiro]

Without letting me out and what? I wrote elevator because she hate when people don't let her out the elevator before they try and get up. Like, why are you rushing in the elevator? I still have to get out. Like, what are you doing?

[Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford]

That's rude.

[Dani Shapiro]

Girl, you would hate the subway.

[Natisha Heideman]

Did that to me in New York.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yes, they're rude.

[Natisha Heideman]

You would hate the subway.

[Az Fudd]

Who takes longer to get ready?

[Natisha Heideman]

Well, see, this is. Are we talking about showering and getting ready? Like, are we talking about, like, after the game? When are we talking here?

[Dani Shapiro]

It really do matter.

[Az Fudd]

They're too different.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Natisha Heideman]

After a game. Going out. Going out.

[Dani Shapiro]

You talking out.

[Natisha Heideman]

Going out. Okay, reveal. They both set deep. Yes, after a game.

[Dani Shapiro]

After the game is me. Because I sit still. Because I gotta sit there first and block everybody. So I know I'm the last one at jail because I parlays blocked. I gotta. I gotta block. They can say something good about a parlay. You getting blocked. Don't come in my DMs. Talk about no parlay block. I don't even care if I made you money. Block. Don't come in my dms talk about no parlay.

[Natisha Heideman]

Do not DM Courtney Williams about no parlay ever.

[Dani Shapiro]

Automatic. It's an automatic block.

[Natisha Heideman]

Automatic block, period.

[Az Fudd]

What's the weirdest thing you do when you think no one's watching?

[Natisha Heideman]

I don't know.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't know what I'm saying. Because I ain't watching. I don't know what sweat do when I ain't watching that whole business.

[Az Fudd]

All right, next. If you could eat only one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be?

[Natisha Heideman]

I'm all right. Mine.

[Dani Shapiro]

I don't know what you would eat.

[Natisha Heideman]

What do I always order?

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, I do know. But you write in yours.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, I'm writing.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm writing mine.

[Natisha Heideman]

And I know yours.

[Dani Shapiro]

I know you do. Now, they really go together.

[Natisha Heideman]

All right, you want me to tell you Corny's first. Look, she's still writing. I know because it's a full. It's a meal. Yeah, girl.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah, it goes. It goes. All right. I know. Tease, tease. Has to be. And if I get this wrong, I do not know. Hibachi.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh.

[Dani Shapiro]

And it says hibachi.

[Natisha Heideman]

All right, what's my Courtney's is baked chicken, Mac and cheese, cabbage, rice, and cornbread. Oh, my goodness.

[Dani Shapiro]

To a T. It's a real one.

[Az Fudd]

In the same order?

[Dani Shapiro]

No, like, not in the same order.

[Natisha Heideman]

However, she got every single answer correct, literally. And I'm actually shook right now because I need to tap in with my best friend.

[Dani Shapiro]

Y' all know me, dude.

[Az Fudd]

There's no way I'd get this.

[Natisha Heideman]

Me and my best friend would disappoint each other.

[Dani Shapiro]

Like, let each other down in this moment. That's great.

[Natisha Heideman]

That's incredible. Oh, my goodness.

[Az Fudd]

Who's more likely to get lost without a gps?

[Natisha Heideman]

This is tough because we've never been in this situation before. We got one just go, what? What? I think who's more likely to be lost? Ooh. This is the first one they got wrong.

[Dani Shapiro]

You said each other.

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, I said you.

[Dani Shapiro]

I said you.

[Natisha Heideman]

I would use the sun as guidance.

[Dani Shapiro]

I would just ask people so I ain't getting lost, because I'mma just ask everybody who around where I'm at. And I would literally just ask them.

[Natisha Heideman]

Don't worry, though. We'll never be lost.

[Dani Shapiro]

We got a phone.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, I think you said we have each other.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, we got two phones.

[Natisha Heideman]

Okay.

[Az Fudd]

If you had a superpower, what would it be?

[Dani Shapiro]

I really don't know this about you, so I'm just gonna throw one out in L and just say you want to teleport.

[Natisha Heideman]

Wow.

[Dani Shapiro]

No, that's really what you said.

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, close.

[Dani Shapiro]

Okay, hold on. Let me tell them. Same thing.

[Natisha Heideman]

So Court said teleport. I don't even know if that's telepath.

[Dani Shapiro]

What did you mean? What did you mean that? Oh, you meant teleport. Yeah. Well, telepath.

[Natisha Heideman]

Teleport.

[Dani Shapiro]

Telepath is like the mind speaking to each other.

[Natisha Heideman]

Hold on, pause.

[Dani Shapiro]

You meant teleport. How I knew that? You know how I knew that? Because we be so aggravated traveling and we be like, bro, if we could just jump there, it'll be great. So I know you want.

[Natisha Heideman]

This is what I. This is what I. Okay, so they got it, right? We're gonna give it to y'.

[Dani Shapiro]

All.

[Natisha Heideman]

We're gonna give it to you. Same thing. Same same thing. Semantics. Semantics.

[Az Fudd]

Still got one wrong.

[Natisha Heideman]

Barely. Barely.

[Az Fudd]

Wait, I have one more random question for Courtney that popped in my head. So, All Star, you fell asleep on Tick Tock or someone was streaming. You fell asleep on Tick Tock and it was like a Tick Tock. I don't know if you dance or an edit of patient.

[Dani Shapiro]

I. Yeah, I literally wasn't watching. I think it was like, you know how like you would be on a real.

[Natisha Heideman]

On her.

[Az Fudd]

Yeah, bro, you are. You are knocked out. Phone in hand with it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Just on the pj, right?

[Natisha Heideman]

Oh, my gosh. She was, bro.

[Dani Shapiro]

One. Okay, let me be a buck. I was still drunk by the time I got on a pj. I missed the bus. I got on the pj. I was still.

[Natisha Heideman]

Can we tell the full story?

[Dani Shapiro]

Tell the full story, please.

[Natisha Heideman]

No, let's. I want to tell the full story because it's time for us to leave.

[Dani Shapiro]

It's 8:50.

[Natisha Heideman]

We gotta be out there at 9am Cheryl runs a tight ship around here.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yes.

[Natisha Heideman]

You feel what I'm saying? I hear it. Courtney is nowhere to be found. I' ma just keep it a book. I packed her bags for her. I packed her bags, laid out the outfit and everything just in case she made it right. So then I get down there and you know everybody like, where's Courtney? Where's your other bud? It's not the stud buds. Where's your bud? So I'm like, ooh, I'm looking at the clock. I'm like, yeah. I don't know. I'm like, I don't think. I don't think Courtney's gonna make it. So then they're like, well, do you wanna go tell Cheryl, or you want us to? I said, ooh. Oh. I said, I got it. I said, cheryl, we just gonna catch our own flight back. She was like, so you're not coming with us? I said, no, I'm not gonna leave my butt like that.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, man, it's my dog.

[Natisha Heideman]

So Cheryl pulled off Screw.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, they loved us, twin. They love so.

[Natisha Heideman]

But then Kmac wasn't down there yet either.

[Dani Shapiro]

So she came back, saved the day.

[Natisha Heideman]

She gave Courtney more time because, like, they was gonna leave us.

[Dani Shapiro]

But Kmac, you can't leave us.

[Natisha Heideman]

You can't pay three players.

[Dani Shapiro]

That's too much.

[Natisha Heideman]

So finally came back home. Courtney come. We still get to get on the pj.

[Dani Shapiro]

Oh, my goodness.

[Natisha Heideman]

So we get on the pj, and she. She's just. She go lay. It's like a little bed on the pj. She's flat. I look back. Cause I'm like, right here. I look back. She sleep. Phone in hand, phone on. Still sleep, like, just scrolling.

[Dani Shapiro]

Just scrolling real. I ain't know what was going on, but I'm telling you, bro, fell asleep. That was funny that it landed on y', all, though. That was funny that it landed on y'.

[Natisha Heideman]

All. And she stayed asleep like that. She didn't want to wake up. Tell them what happened. Tell them what happened.

[Dani Shapiro]

Yeah, when we landed in Minnesota, bro, like, I. Bro, I don't remember nothing. That's what I'm saying. I really was still toasted. We land, bro. Apparently, T came to come wake me up. Get out my face.

[Natisha Heideman]

I said, I'm literally rubbing her back. Like I'm getting her stuff. Rubbing her back. I'm like, friend, come on. We made it.

[Dani Shapiro]

Let's go. That's what I said to you, man. Get on my face.

[Natisha Heideman]

Stop playing with me, T. I'm serious. I'm. So I said, you know, I looked at the little people who was working on the airplane. I said, y' all got her?

[Dani Shapiro]

So apparently, the people tried to get me a tool, and I dubbed them, too.

[Natisha Heideman]

So guess what?

[Dani Shapiro]

Cheryl.

[Natisha Heideman]

Cheryl said this. She gave me her backpack. She said, hold this. Tee goes up there. I'm watching her walk. I said, ooh, this is gonna go one or two ways. They came off the plane smiling, though.

[Dani Shapiro]

But I was like, how it was? I was asleep. Cheryl came. She did the same thing. She did. Rubbed my back and I said, man, come on, bro, I don't feel like playing. She said, I'm not playing. Get up. We're here. Courtney, get up. I said, cheryl. She said, I get up. I said, all right. She put that base in her ass and her voice had to get me up out of there.

[Natisha Heideman]

You heard the big boss. We made it.

[Dani Shapiro]

We did. We did.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, my last question.

[Dani Shapiro]

Last question. That was the last question.

[Az Fudd]

I have one more. This is the last one for us. That's the first. That's the last one for us.

[Dani Shapiro]

Wrap it up after this.

[Az Fudd]

Wrap it up. Last one.

[Dani Shapiro]

All right, talk to me.

[Az Fudd]

Dijonay said that she's a femme bud with her pink hair. I was wondering if Ashanti and I could also be fembuds with you guys.

[Dani Shapiro]

We welcome all. Yes. We especially welcome the femmes.

[Natisha Heideman]

Femme buds are welcome. We accept femme buds, too.

[Az Fudd]

Ashanti, you cool with that? Fembud?

[Natisha Heideman]

Yeah, I'm with it.

[Az Fudd]

All right, cool.

[Dani Shapiro]

David, man, we appreciate y'.

[Az Fudd]

All.

[Natisha Heideman]

Tubs in the chat.

[Dani Shapiro]

Appreciate y'.

[Natisha Heideman]

All.

[Dani Shapiro]

Thank you so much.

[Natisha Heideman]

Welcome to the buds.

[Dani Shapiro]

Welcome to the Buds.

[Natisha Heideman]

Proud member. Hey, thank you.

[Dani Shapiro]

We appreciate y', all.

[Natisha Heideman]

For real.

[Az Fudd]

Okay, everyone, that's gonna do it for another episode of FUT around and find out. We wanna thank the studbuds for coming on and having fun with us. And as always, remember to rate, review, and subscribe to fudaround and find out wherever you get your podcasts. We'll see you guys next week. Fud around and Find out is a production of I Heart Women's Sports and Unanimous Media. Executive producers are Jesse Katz, Eric Payton, Sharla Sumter, Brigitte and Stephen Curry. Co executive producer is Kalena Maria Kutney. Producers are Mike Coscarelli and co producers are Kurt Redmond, Maya Howard and Jaclyn Schoeninger. This podcast is edited by Mike Coscarelli and hosted by me, Az Fudd and Ashanti Plummer.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ebony]

Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony and every every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Dani Shapiro]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dani Shapiro]

I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, host of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. I know how overwhelming it can feel if flying makes you anxious. In session 418 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, Dr. Angela Neal Barnett and I discuss flight anxiety.

[Natisha Heideman]

What is not a norm is to.

[Dani Shapiro]

Allow it to prevent you from doing the things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.